In this episode of The Dialogue Podcast, ALF Silicon Valley CEO Suzanne St. John-Crane sits down with author, activist, and faith leader Rev. Ben McBride for a one-on-one, in-depth conversation about his new book, Troubling the Water: The Urgent Work of Radical Belonging, the division that seems to permeate every sector of society, and the work of widening the circle of inclusion and belonging.

Ben posits that radical belonging means looking at our implicit biases, faulty understandings of power, and how we "other"—or "same"—people. Sometimes, it even means troubling the waters—speaking hard truths in situations that appear calm but that cloak injustice.

Rev. Ben McBride is an internationally recognized faith leader, activist, and sought-after speaker who has spoken to large audiences in the US, Canada, the United Kingdom, and the Middle East. McBride is the founder of the Empower Initiative and the Bring the HEAT campaign, and he served as director of PICO California.

McBride was featured in the Sundance Film Festival Award-winner The Force, and in 2020, the Center for American Progress listed him as one of the top faith leaders to watch. McBride lives in Oakland, California, with his wife, Gynelle, and their three daughters.