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Welcome to Alien Agenda episode number

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one, this is your host, Tony

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Teora and I have my co-host

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on online here, Ron Watkins. This is our

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first show. We're going to be talking about Alien Leaks

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and also we want to talk a little bit about the

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cancel culture, and I'm really excited

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because we'd been doing Crazy Curious Minds with

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my other partner in crime, Chad McKinney, but he's

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too busy trying to make money and get

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his PhD in San Diego and surf, I think.

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But he was kind enough to join

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back on this show. Um, we also had

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Haze Robinson , um , the lead

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singer from the Electromagnetic band.

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So I want to , I want to thank my , uh, my

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new co-host Ron. Thanks really, really appreciate

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you , uh, willing to partner up with

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me on these podcasts. Thanks for

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being, yeah .

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Yeah. Thanks . Thanks for, thanks for inviting me on

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, uh , it's really an honor. And , uh , I think

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we're going to get to the bottom of a lot of stuff here.

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I think we're going to get to the bottom of a lot of stuff

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and some people say that it's actually dangerous,

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what we're working on and Chad, and

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Hayes are going to talk a little bit about that. As long as we don't end

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up at a bottom of a hole in

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a New Jersey garbage pit . (laughing) I know I

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know how to dig out of those holes. So I'm not that worried by the way away, because

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I am from New Jersey. You know , we try to keep

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the show---

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You just need air pockets. That's all you need to work with--- (laughing)

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Air pockets? Is that what it is? Had you used that how you

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got outta the holes. We

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try to keep the show a little bit light. So, you know, this

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is some serious topic today, but we do joke around.

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So anybody listening, we really hope

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you enjoy the show.

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Um, and we have Hayes who is

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a rock and roller, but he's also really into

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, um, alien stuff. So I'm really pleased to have you

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on, Haze, thanks for sure .

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Nice to be here. Thanks for having

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me. It's an honor.

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All right . Great. So

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, um, Ron boy,

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boy, you know , um, after

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working with you on that last podcast, we

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, we did some talking about a book and other things,

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and since I'm into science fiction and you

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know, you're into , uh , research

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and development, it looks like, you know, cause you've , you've seen

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a lot of these, you've run all these different

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BBSs and stuff, and you've seen these posts and

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man, did you come up with one hell of an idea?

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Holy smokes. So guys,

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I don't want to take the, you know, the

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weight of what Ron's probably going to disclose here,

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but I mean like, I

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mean this, this concept

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of alien leaks, could you tell

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me a little, tell the viewers and listeners,

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I should say , um, a little

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about what alien leaks

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is and what the goal's are?

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Okay. So the alien leaks

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project is going to be like an

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anonymous drop box for anybody

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to , uh, put, send documents

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to. And , uh , it's

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really inspired by WikiLeaks and the work

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that Julian Assange did on adjusted with , uh , government

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accountability, but instead

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of , uh , focusing on government accountability

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, uh, the

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goal of alien leaks is to focus

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on , uh, extra terrestrial

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disclosure, like , uh, including

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topics related to

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alien technology, alien

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biology, communications

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with aliens. Uh, this

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is all interesting stuff and I'm sure there's

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people around the world sitting on documents

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and troves of information about it. And

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they don't have anywhere to send that , that data

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because if they send it to like a mass

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media or something, the media is going to cover up the

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data. Really,

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You don't , so you don't trust the media, anybody

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on this line, Chad, you trusted me. You're this psychologist.

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Right. You know, so, and writing all the , you know, do you trust

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the media?

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That's the only place I know where to get my truths from Tony.

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Yeah. It's kind of sad. Isn't it? Everybody. Yeah.

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Well, I'll tell you why 90%

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of media is owned by five major

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stakeholders in the game

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Or your fool . Okay . So

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I guess we're all in agreement here that the media we can't

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trust. So continue on rod. So you're right. So yeah,

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go ahead.

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So we , we, we can't trust the media to

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discuss this properly and the media,

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you know , uh , there, there's a project

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called project Mockingbird where it's

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run by the CIA, which I

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believe the project was the

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CIA basically controls what the media is

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allowed to say. So

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that's project Mockingbird. You can go look it up. And

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uh, so

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like this alien stuff, probably I

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I'm guessing if a media outlet gets information

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about it, then they're going to ask their CIA handler,

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Hey, talk about this. And

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then the CIA's be like, nah, don't , don't talk about

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that. Right.

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Well, I got, I got two questions for you, Ron. So you didn't,

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you didn't give me, you know , you gave me most of the information,

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but , um, so Juliana signs , um,

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could he help us out, do you think? Or what's he up to these

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days?

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Well , we'll join us on she's incarcerated , uh,

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on bogus charges and in

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England, the UK right now. And he

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put out a, he put out a statement a few days

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ago that he was dying, which is unfortunate

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to hear, but that sucks. I

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hope, I hope he gets out there. There are rumors of

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him getting a part in with Trump, but

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, uh, you know,

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the , the events of January six caused

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like Trump's was all his political capital

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and he wasn't able to do the part in that the last

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minute

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You think he would've done it? If he could have ,

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I think he was going to do it, but he

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didn't because it's either join

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us on Jordan himself. And he chose himself.

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This is absolutely it's

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crazy, dude. Are you telling me that?

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Like, you know, like, I mean, I think it's really sad, Julie.

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I don't know the whole story of Julian since I know

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lot about it. And I know that he was one

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of the shoe investigators, you know

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what I mean? Like he got information posted

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about the Iraq war showed a lot of that

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was going on. I mean, he did true journalism

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and journalists years ago used to take those kind

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of chances. But now it sounds like they

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put the guy in jail, they try to crop up charges,

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you know, that they they're killing him in jail. He's dying.

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I mean, that's the price for , for

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journalism today. I mean, and then you look at

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like, you know, Greenwald , I mean, this is the whole

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cancer culture thing, you know, he was talking about

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this. Um, you know,

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I mean, is that the price? I mean, I

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, you don't think that they're like going to go after

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us for alien leaks. They , I mean, the

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government says there's no aliens out there anyhow. So

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there's nothing to worry about, right?

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Yeah. I mean, the government says there's no aliens

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and the scientists say there's no millions , but , uh,

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you , you know, with the scientific and academic

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, uh , communities , uh, their

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, like their thoughts on aliens

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is that it's never aliens. So

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if you have like proof or

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something that really looks like aliens, you're

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not allowed to publish it well, or

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you're going to face a , like , uh, you're

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going to face the wrath of all your peers.

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They do that across the spectrum.

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Like the Harvard,

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the Harvard, a Harvard researcher,

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I believe he's got like thirties , many

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, many decades of experience doing like astrophysics.

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And then he , he saw the Omo , uh

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, object that flew through the , uh, the

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source system and said, gee, it looks

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like an alien spaceship or something, but

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this is coming from like a tenured Harvard professor

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on astrophysics, like

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a professor. And the

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whole community is like, nah , it can't be aliens

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. No way. Well,

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They have tenure professors that were doing,

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you know, w we talked about this on the other show

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chatter . And I think Hayes might've been on there where

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our tenured Harvard professor was, you

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know , analyzing, it was in the movie, the phenomena

7:57

, the , um, about UFO's

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and Harvard professor tenured

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Harvard professors doing research on people

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who say, they've been abducted by aliens. You

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know, now this guy ends up getting run over in

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England, you know, running. I mean, it probably

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was, hopefully it was just an act helped somebody didn't

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try to murder the guy, but you know, he

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, he went around, but you can't get this information.

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They tried, as you said, one of the other shows this thing called

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memory hole and memory , the memory hole , this

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information, you can't even find it. You know, the one

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guy , um, I send some information

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out to other folks. There was a guy who had like hacked

8:29

into government computers and found information

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about alien spaceships and whatnot . And he's in England

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and he's got like Asperger's disease

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or something like that. And, you know, they've been trying to ship

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him out to the U S also , um,

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it's, it's really sad. So, so

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I tend to believe that there's stuff out there. So

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the question, you know, we put together, I

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put together alien agenda site , you

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know, and with the podcast and you know,

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I've agreed and I'm very interested in, matter of fact, we were talking

8:55

of mutually about this. I'm looking forward

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to seeing what you get in Allen lake , because I want

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to be one of the first to post this stuff and analyze

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it. We're going to analyze this stuff together, you

9:03

know , using the scientific method. Um,

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what do you think this is going to go, Ron ? W R

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w I like to hear also, what do you think

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this is going to go? Well,

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Hopefully those scientists that are sitting

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on the data that they're

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not allowed to publish. Right . We'll

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, we'll send him the data and then we can all have

9:26

a look at it and perhaps they'll scrubbed

9:28

their name off it, so they don't get in trouble. Right.

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But yeah, or , or not,

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I mean,

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A little bit while there's no aliens and nobody , but the

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problem is going to be this. Like I worked for the government

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before. Okay. And these guys are

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gonna have like, like very strong.

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They even use the word NDA. Non-disclosure , it's

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worse than a, non-disclosure a lot of these things. They , they'll just

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going to throw you in jail. If you disclose any state secrets

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right

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Now, death assessed , I think is what it stands for.

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When you get to that level. I

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Read, I read one. I don't even know if

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I'm allowed to talk about it. Some probably shouldn't, but I'm going

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to tell you a lot of , I think I can say, as I said, holy,

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is this even legal? You know,

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you know, I mean like, and

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I'm like, well, it. I want it the money. So I signed

10:08

it, you know, but

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, um, you know, so what I,

10:13

what I wonder is is what a researcher,

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you know, is out there and say, for example,

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they get , um, an artifact

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say it's a crashed, you know,

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flying saucer. We'll use the word Saltzer

10:25

and it's got, say, you know,

10:28

anti-gravity propulsion, it's got three engines

10:30

and , and whatnot. And it's got

10:32

a special material that it uses to

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create, you know, anti-gravity

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fields or whatever you want to call. And the guy's

10:39

got designs on this and he puts it out

10:42

, uh, and we get it right. So

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we , we post this stuff, like we analyze

10:47

it. And then we say, you know what? It was , I'm

10:49

a few credits, short physics degree

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in a math degree, you know, I was liked physics.

10:53

And that doesn't mean that I know Jack about this stuff,

10:55

but we'll talk to people who do you

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know, and we'll analyze this and we'll say, holy,

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this is anti-gravity right. The professor,

11:03

the professors that we spoke to anonymously,

11:06

who, you know, were in hiding

11:08

and they say , yeah, this is anti-gravity man. And

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we post anti-gravity right

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on our website, be posted

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. Right. And it's irrefutable,

11:18

you know, and it's new technology. What,

11:21

what, what, I have some ideas,

11:23

but I want to hear your , your thinking. I want to hear the other

11:25

folks thinking too . How does this help humanity?

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Uh, did you want me to riff

11:34

on that or,

11:37

Oh, you know what Hayes Chad . Oh , I

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have a question for you, other guys. So Chad and

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Hayes , do you think, do you think that if we post

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cause I'm doing it, I mean, like I already made the decision,

11:47

so maybe I'll change my mind if you guys can

11:49

convince me to change my mind. Maybe

11:51

, maybe, maybe, you know, but , um,

11:54

do you think that posting information

11:57

about alien technology is going to help

11:59

humanity or screw it up?

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I think it's going to touch base with some people,

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but in the day and age,

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where anybody

12:15

with any common sense or

12:18

I would call it uncommon sense nowadays. Um,

12:21

the question information

12:23

that they're finding online. So you're

12:25

going to have people that buy into it and believe

12:27

it. And especially if you

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have a reputable source , um,

12:32

but you're still going to have, you know, a

12:34

large group of people

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that are going to mock you

12:39

and stuff still, even though, as

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we said earlier, the government doesn't and

12:43

people don't think that UFO's exist , but

12:45

the military is finally starting to admit

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that there's things out there that they don't

12:51

have control over and they don't know who's controlling

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them. Um, so that's

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a tough one. I mean, I think it's awesome

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to have a site similar to

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WikiLeaks, WikiLeaks, where people can put

13:03

that information in and they can , uh,

13:05

you know, put it , I think we

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have ex-military , don't have to identify themselves.

13:09

And then you take it with a grain of salt. You , you

13:12

know, other, not, you believe,

13:15

you know, the information there and how believable

13:18

it is. And, you

13:21

know, you're hoping to have people are going to question it and

13:23

think it's .

13:24

Right. But, but if he put out

13:26

a chat , I want to ask you a question, because this

13:28

is related to your , your brain, which doesn't work

13:31

as a normal human being. Um,

13:33

you know , um, you

13:35

know, you're familiar with like the Brookings report that

13:37

said that people weren't ready for UFO's

13:39

or aliens . Yeah . So,

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I mean like, do we have

13:44

people ready for this? Like if we put a

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picture, say for example, of

13:48

a true, you know, ITI

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or electrical , you know, an extra test

13:53

of biological entity, which is

13:55

what I think people call them EBS

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, um, a true picture

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or, or, you know, a picture

14:02

of a UFO that's flying, or we

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actually get scientific information that says, look, we've

14:06

done studies. These, these beings

14:08

are like, you know, clone robots,

14:11

they don't eat food. They absorb,

14:13

you know, their energy from the air.

14:15

They're kinda like a tour full in your skin. You

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know, all this interesting technology . We talk

14:19

about this stuff. I mean, it's just going to share,

14:22

scare the out of people. I mean , like OMI

14:24

and Ron gonna like destroy the world, you know,

14:27

that's what I want to know. I just want to know that

14:29

before I destroy the world,

14:32

You'll have the green light before you hit that red button. Well,

14:36

You know , I already hit the red button . I'm going

14:38

to do it anyway because I'm a science fiction guy. So I'll just say

14:40

it's all science fiction when it's probably real, but

14:42

you know, so she'll try and help me out. You're like

14:45

my psychologist , I've said this on the other show, I needed

14:47

somebody like you to kind of like, keep me straight.

14:49

So mentally know in , in

14:51

a straight line here. So tell me, am

14:53

I nuts ? Or, or is this going to help society?

14:56

Well,

14:58

I mean, those are irrelevant. You're for sure nuts.

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But I do , like, I'd

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say, I'd

15:05

say a couple of different things on it. One

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, um, I

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feel like it depends on who you're asking, because

15:13

you mentioned like, will it screw everything

15:15

up? And it,

15:18

you know, if you look at the world right now where we have it

15:20

All , like it's not screwed up now. Right? Exactly.

15:24

But for those people who are wielding control,

15:26

then you'll screw it up for them, for sure.

15:28

Cause it will at least bring some things into question

15:31

for those who are acquiescence

15:33

acquiescing to that authority.

15:37

Um, but in terms of like where

15:40

people will go from here, it depends,

15:42

you know, like I was just reading 1984

15:45

recently and I liked the

15:47

one mantra. Um, the most

15:49

important pillar is to reject any,

15:51

any truth with your eyes and ears first

15:53

and foremost, it's not that like that, you know,

15:55

you can post whatever the hell you want

15:57

to on there and people

15:59

are gonna make of it what they want to

16:01

You can't post anymore . You know, Facebook,

16:04

all them Instagram. I mean like this is going to be a cancer

16:06

culture. I think at least two of you guys have been canceled

16:08

already. Right? I mean like, you

16:10

know , can you really post it ? What you want? Is that true?

16:15

You've been banned a couple of times. Okay

16:19

. Well, we can get into that later, but

16:21

I want to add real quick if you don't mind that

16:24

the big thing, the big scare about

16:27

, um , how people would accept it. Um

16:29

, an alien , um , presence was

16:32

always , um, the,

16:35

the whole religion thing. It was always

16:37

said that that's going to scare religions.

16:39

People will go crazy. They can't handle it because

16:42

if they're highly religious, it's going to throw all

16:44

that out the door and people mass suicides

16:46

and yada yada, yada. But it was

16:48

about eight, 10 years ago.

16:50

I think the Vatican, someone from the

16:52

Vatican started saying that, you know,

16:55

possibly they could be, you know

16:57

, God's creation can be the universe

16:59

and there could be more , um , creatures

17:02

up there. They're all part of God's plan. So they've

17:04

been slowly but surely trying to, I

17:07

think, get people ready that are religious.

17:09

So it's not a major shock that

17:12

everything they believe is okay . So getting back.

17:16

So let me ask you , you know, like,

17:18

so related to the Brooklyn's report,

17:20

I think that's what is used by a lot of these people to say, we can't

17:22

tell people is like in the 1960s or whatever

17:25

that, you know, we tell everybody they're all gonna freak

17:27

out. We're gonna lose religion. Countries are gonna , so

17:29

do you, what do you think? I mean, I heard

17:32

that more than 50% of the people already believe in

17:34

this stuff. Right. And the government's just

17:36

basically hiding. I think they're hiding. It is

17:38

basically for military, you know , programs

17:41

and control the population. I think, you

17:43

know, the people in power, people

17:45

in power, like being in power and they like having

17:47

a bunch of slaves work and , and if the slaves

17:49

wake up, they might start asking questions.

17:52

Right. You know ? And

17:54

so, so I think that unless

17:56

you like, like an advance

17:59

advancement in technology does not

18:01

mean that you're an advanced society. You

18:03

can have a kids with like hand grenades

18:06

and guns and samurai swords that are like eight,

18:08

nine and 10 year olds and six year olds and they're gonna

18:10

kill each other. Right. I mean, that's just because

18:12

they have advanced technology, they got cars and they got

18:14

bombs and they got buttons. The nuclear bombs doesn't

18:16

make that six to seven, eight year old group of

18:18

kids, a bunch of geniuses that can run the world.

18:20

Right. And if you start giving, you

18:22

know, major technology to humanity, which I think

18:24

has already happened, I think it's been stolen and , and

18:27

, and deals have been made to be Frank. And it's going to

18:29

sound completely crazy. And I don't think humanity

18:31

really is evolved enough to use

18:33

the technology. I think, I think actually having this technology

18:36

from aliens in some ways is going

18:38

to be very dangerous. I think spiritually,

18:41

you know, humanity needs to evolve. So

18:43

like, you know, maybe, maybe

18:46

like somebody is going to give us a document,

18:48

say, Hey, what would we do if

18:50

it wasn't like an anti-gravity

18:52

device that somebody supplies to suppose

18:54

somebody said, look, this is a document

18:56

that alien said related to spirituality

18:59

and development of ethics and morality

19:02

that humanity needs to do, but we weren't allowed

19:04

to post it because they'd kill us. You

19:06

know, wouldn't that be? Chad , we'll hear

19:08

from you on this. Wouldn't that be interesting

19:10

if we actually got something from aliens

19:12

that wasn't like technology, it was more

19:15

related to social development.

19:17

What do you think of that?

19:19

Well, I think two things, you know, I,

19:21

there's two things I have to that I

19:24

I'll fail . I'll finish the second one in a second, but

19:26

the first is I

19:29

think it, I think a gun

19:31

is not dangerous. A gun is

19:33

basically nothing without the heart

19:35

of the user, you know? So I

19:37

think you hit the nail on the head, the spirituality

19:39

of the person in

19:42

what they do with that technology is going

19:44

to determine whether it's a benefit

19:46

or a detriment to society and humankind

19:49

and everything else. So I think,

19:51

you know, working on our own spiritual development

19:53

and finding what needs to be healed within ourselves

19:55

will also help to heal that in the world. So

19:58

I think you really hit the nail on the head. And I th

20:00

I feel there's some people who are ready to hear it. And

20:03

there's some people who, whether it comes from an

20:05

alien or their next door neighbor, or a person

20:07

on the street or a televangelist

20:10

or whoever else, you know, they just,

20:13

it's cognitive dissonance . We've always talked about

20:15

where people just will do anything

20:17

in the world to justify their own worldview, including

20:20

up to, and including leaving their body , uh,

20:23

for the sake of protection. You know, like

20:26

sometimes you'll get that , uh, you

20:28

know , uh , multiple personality disorder,

20:30

which is now called dissociative identity personality

20:32

disorder , uh , because

20:35

the trauma is so evasive

20:38

or invasive that the person

20:40

just has to leave because it's too much for the psyche to handle.

20:43

So I think really, like

20:46

you saying, like, there's some people who is going to

20:48

wake up, it's going to inspire. And really

20:50

the end of the day, the

20:52

whole world doesn't need to wake up. Just

20:55

like that. The phenomenon movie

20:57

we watched , uh , you know,

20:59

1% of the entire us pie , the entire

21:01

world population, if they wake up and,

21:04

you know, I haven't verified those numbers or not, but

21:06

you know, it doesn't take much. I mean, if 1%

21:08

of the population can control this

21:12

the entire world in many ways, you

21:14

know , it can go both ways if it can be used for detriment

21:16

could be used for benefit .

21:18

Well , you know , I agree that's one of his , I like having you on

21:20

the show, Chad , and we don't do a lot

21:22

of advertising on this show. So what

21:24

I do want to mention is , um, you know,

21:26

you have a book out in San Diego that's like

21:28

in all the airports that you can buy on Amazon, could you

21:31

mention the name of that book

21:33

and , um, how it might relate to

21:35

this a little bit.

21:36

Thanks, Tony. Uh , yeah, I appreciate that, man.

21:38

Um, so the book is called heaven and the, now a

21:41

journey through mind, body, and soul. And

21:43

basically it ultimately

21:46

is something that people can keep in

21:48

their hand that they can flip through and hopefully

21:50

use to better lives for a

21:53

happier, more peaceful, joyful, healthy

21:55

life. And it breaks down the Castro's

21:57

reality death or what we think of death

22:00

, um, identifications,

22:02

which is ultimately what leads to a lot of our

22:04

suffering in terms of attachments

22:06

or expectations, judgments

22:09

, things of that nature. And

22:11

then it finishes with, you know, meditation

22:13

techniques and things of that nature as well. So we

22:15

can dive deeper into

22:18

our own wellbeing and take responsibility

22:20

for our own, our own health.

22:22

Okay . I've read your, I read your book and I already mentioned

22:24

it before I read your first book, which was a piece of crap.

22:27

And then I read and I read, and then, and

22:29

then, and then I read this one and I was just like,

22:32

okay, who wrote it for you? Nah , no , no

22:35

, I'm joking. You you've evolved over many,

22:37

many years as a writer. And I

22:39

think your book is , is wonderful. And I think

22:41

that is the kind of spirituality, regardless

22:44

if it was written by aliens or not , um,

22:46

you know, that humanity needs

22:48

to evolve and, you know , um , you

22:51

know , I'm also a writer and I plugged that on the show to

22:53

, you know, people can get my books on Amazon by

22:55

looking for Tony T or my science fiction. I try

22:57

to throw in some of those , by the way , I

23:00

appreciate that plug, you know , but I

23:02

try to throw in spirituality in my books

23:04

and comedy. So, you know, even though it's science

23:06

fiction, I always try to throw a little bit in , gotta be

23:08

careful not to preach in books because people don't

23:10

want to be preached to, they want to be entertained. So I

23:13

try to entertain some , you know, my, my smart

23:15

pills, my smart Bill's book is pretty entertaining.

23:17

I think it's doing pretty.

23:19

You do a good, you do a good mixture between the two.

23:21

Like it stopped provoking it's action,

23:23

but it's also, you know, you

23:26

really, you drop knowledge, but in

23:28

a way that is humorous, but also makes

23:29

You think at the same time. Well , I

23:32

don't want to , I don't want to be focusing

23:34

too much on this. I don't want people thinking we're doing like, you

23:36

know, tons of plugins here, but we don't do

23:38

any advertising . We try to , uh , support

23:40

this through, through our books and things like that.

23:43

So I'm to continue on

23:45

alien leaks, what you had said

23:48

earlier, Chad , um,

23:50

I, you know, I

23:53

think you're right. I think that like technology

23:55

is a moral, right. But we

23:57

need to have a moral society and I don't think we

23:59

have it. I think our society is a top-down total.

24:02

Tarion screw up these days. And I, and

24:04

you know, when it comes to like UFO's and stuff like

24:06

that, I mean, they asked the other day by president

24:09

Biden. Okay. Now

24:11

, um, you know, I

24:13

don't, I don't, I don't hate Biden. He's

24:15

our president. And I respect him as president. I think

24:17

he does say some stump , dumb stuff. I

24:19

think most presidents upset, a whole bunch of dumb

24:22

stuff, you know? Um,

24:24

but the other day was asked about UFO's because Obama

24:26

got on some TV show and was talking about, does

24:28

anybody did anybody on this here

24:30

on the, on the team here? Heard about that?

24:32

About what happened with Biden.

24:35

Yeah . Yeah. I saw the interview. Biden's

24:37

like, oh , why don't you just go , I'm

24:39

going to go ask about, yeah

24:43

. Awesome. What do you know about UFO's?

24:46

He's like, oh, I'm not going to ask about

24:47

It . What is it ? Bomb is still his boss. Is

24:49

that what he thinks? Has he that's seen all that. He's still thinking

24:51

he's working for Obama. What the hell is going

24:53

on in America? And I'm not even , Hey

24:56

, you know, me and Ron aren't even in America, I don't even

24:58

know where Iran is. He won't tell me where he is. I think

25:00

it's confidential. But , um, you know

25:03

, um, but Chad and Hayes , you guys aren't

25:05

like , like you guys are in San Diego still, right,

25:08

Right up the hill from Chad .

25:10

Yep . So what the hell is going on in America?

25:12

Can you guys tell me how things got so up?

25:17

Sorry . I

25:22

mean ,

25:26

Just quickly, honestly, I think it has lots of

25:28

view with the fact that the , the majority

25:30

of the university you have become extremely,

25:33

not just left, but

25:36

permanently extreme liberal extremism.

25:40

And they've taken, I

25:42

mean, for Christ's sake, Berkeley

25:44

was, was moderately . They

25:47

brought out the whole free speech thing in

25:49

1977. They brought it, made

25:51

Americans aware of look at this unique

25:53

thing. You have our

25:56

days, they're the most liberal

25:58

college. And they're , they're

26:00

all about suppression and intolerance.

26:04

Well , I don't want, you know, I don't, you know, labels are okay.

26:07

I honestly, because we're, we're, we're spinning

26:10

out generation children that aren't going

26:12

to college and getting perspective

26:14

from multiple angles and coming up

26:16

with their own conclusion. They're

26:19

being told that capitalism

26:21

is the evil of everything and

26:24

the conservatives are the devil. Literally.

26:28

No , no , we're getting it. It's okay to get into politics. I don't

26:30

care what we get into, but what I , I wanna , I

26:33

wanna , I wanna stay focused on the alien stuff. And I wanted

26:35

, what I wanted to know was like

26:37

this cancer culture, man. I mean, like

26:39

it's just absolutely nuts, right?

26:42

So

26:44

There's no freedom of speech anymore.

26:46

It's either you agree with them or

26:49

your preacher

26:51

on the planet . Well, do you know why it's

26:54

because their ideology is don't stand up

26:56

to logic. So when you question

26:58

them on like their core beliefs, they

27:00

don't have an answer.

27:02

Well, that's the thing. I mean, I

27:04

mean like,

27:06

Well, you

27:08

can end almost any argument with somebody

27:10

by asking five simple words. How

27:13

do you know that

27:16

You can win any argument by asking, are

27:18

you a racist? No

27:20

, just , just by, by accusing

27:23

someone of being in any type

27:25

of word , people use words is

27:27

, is a way to end the logical dialogue

27:29

. And then they think they win . They

27:31

think they've won and

27:33

they don't get it going to come

27:35

right back, full circle. Do that again.

27:38

You know what I don't like, I won , like, and that's going

27:40

to sound crazy. But you know, I wasn't like , like

27:42

in grammar school, I'd like the science award,

27:45

you know, there's a big public school and I had a

27:47

scholarship to prep school. So, you

27:49

know, part of my brain works and part of it doesn't

27:51

work very well, you know, and I know that, but

27:53

you know, I, I love science.

27:56

Right. And I, and I love freedom and I love,

27:59

you know, being able to ask a question and,

28:01

you know, it was interesting. I

28:03

was watching something on a website

28:05

called the zero hedge and,

28:07

and I've been doing my own research. I had been listening

28:09

to people talk about gain of function research,

28:12

like in January of 2020.

28:15

And then , and I looked at it and I even said to some , one of the podcasts

28:18

, probably vaccination nation or something that me and

28:20

Chad were on. You know, we're talking

28:22

about, you know, the virus and vaccines

28:24

are one of the shows and, you know, I didn't

28:26

think it was crazy to question me if you have

28:29

a blue Han lab and

28:31

that's the main facility for doing all

28:33

the biological research, you know? And it has

28:35

a bat woman. Who's like, you know,

28:37

who's expert in bad viruses. And it just so

28:39

happens that like, within like 15 kilometers

28:41

out of all, one of the biggest countries in the world , he turned , it

28:43

might even be the biggest country in the world probably is, you

28:46

know , um, you know, geographic and population.

28:48

I don't know if it's still as population, but geographically

28:51

it's like the biggest, you know , country and

28:53

coincidentally, you know, one

28:56

of one of, you know, and we didn't quit genetically like

28:58

within 15 kilometers of the place, you

29:00

know, that's what the virus, you know , gets loose.

29:02

Right. And everybody's like, oh no, no, there's no

29:04

possible, you know, you're a racist, you're going against the Chinese.

29:07

The Italians are trying to hug Chinese that are all in there

29:09

, you know, and they're saying, oh, you're being racist because

29:11

you don't have the Chinese. I mean, it's just crazy.

29:14

Right? Yeah.

29:16

You

29:16

Have to be careful with the COVID stuff

29:18

because we'll get shut down. No

29:21

, no, the origin doesn't matter. Right.

29:24

So if it came from a lab, it doesn't

29:26

matter if it came naturally, it doesn't matter. It came

29:29

from that wet market. It doesn't matter. It doesn't

29:31

matter. What matters is that it was used

29:33

as a weapon. Yes. It

29:35

was not developed or it may or may

29:38

not have been developed as a weapon, but it was

29:40

certainly used as one. So , uh,

29:43

you , you have to look at this , uh, this whole gain of

29:45

function stuff is just , uh , a limited hangout

29:47

there they're giving you. Okay. Okay.

29:50

Yeah. Maybe it was leaked from a lab

29:52

or there's lab external or whatever. But what

29:54

they're trying to cover up is that it was used

29:56

as a weapon. So if you,

29:59

if you remember back to January, 2020, the

30:01

Chinese shutdown, all their domestic

30:04

flights to and from, but

30:07

they kept all of their international flights from

30:10

Ohio and all,

30:12

all of the planes, all of the planes leaving who

30:14

had like going for the states or going for Europe,

30:18

the countries are complaining. Why are you sending these planes

30:20

here? And, you know, trying to said, what

30:22

are you racist or you're racist for

30:26

not further . So

30:29

the world got , got played, everybody

30:31

got social engineered , nobody wants to be racist.

30:33

So they let the plague into their countries.

30:35

Isn't that great. But

30:38

China doesn't China doesn't have a problem because they shut

30:40

down their entire domestic. They

30:43

know exactly what they're doing. So they

30:45

used it as a weapon. It might or

30:48

might not have been developed as one, but it was certainly used

30:50

as a weapon.

30:51

Interesting. That's very, you know, I,

30:53

I didn't really think that deep

30:55

on that, you know, I, I

30:57

was like annoyed that, you know,

31:00

that people were shutting down like zero

31:02

hedge and shutting down any discussions on,

31:04

on where it came from. But

31:06

you've thought deeper, Ron, the fact

31:08

that they allowed international flights,

31:10

but they blocked internally means that they knew

31:12

that it was dangerous. And, and you know what, another

31:15

thing that they, that they did that I thought was interesting because

31:17

around January, cause I'm like little

31:19

bit paranoid. I was in the us in like January

31:21

of 20, 20. I knew was happening.

31:24

I wanted to home Depot, like

31:26

, um, you know , cause I had my, my brother-in-law

31:28

passed away and I was in New Jersey and

31:31

you know , I'm like, you know, Carrie , you're number one

31:33

worldwide because you know, I travel for business

31:35

and everything else, you know? And um,

31:38

you know, I knew I was going to get the thing. So,

31:41

but I was in California and I was trying to buy

31:43

mass and I was trying to buy N

31:45

95 because I did my research like a regular

31:47

mass doesn't really do Jack. It might help a little bit.

31:50

I not happy the Chinese, they put out their

31:52

feelers and they had every

31:54

single Chinese exchange student

31:56

in the entire world by all

31:58

the [inaudible] ,

32:00

That's what I was going to say. I went in there

32:02

and I said, where are the end? 95

32:04

minutes? And they're like, oh, we had some weird

32:07

people come in. And they bought, they bought them all

32:09

up and I found the one go . So

32:11

It's not just, they sent his virus

32:13

out. They also discharge your

32:15

ability to fight it.

32:16

Yes. So you couldn't get the N 95

32:19

mask . So I went out and I asked him , they said people are

32:21

buying the mask . And then I did a little research online and I saw

32:23

that it looked like Chinese were buying them. And I'm like,

32:26

what the? So I actually found

32:28

one home Depot that like was probably,

32:30

you know, far enough away to people. Haven't their

32:32

, their SWAT team hadn't gotten there. And I bought

32:34

like, you know , 20 and 95

32:37

masks. And that's what I was using. And people at me

32:39

like, I'm nuts, I'm wearing on , on the flights

32:41

using mass , you know, the N 95.

32:43

And I'm like, I ain't using the regular mask because they don't really

32:45

work. And , and, and so, but the problem

32:48

is you can pass out in the end 95. So eventually,

32:50

you know, I was in Costco and they're looking at me strange

32:52

because I'm wearing an N 95 mask , you know, and

32:55

I took it off and I ended up catching the virus, you

32:57

know, eventually, you know, but , um,

32:59

you know, wow. They bought all the masks

33:02

. So, so, you know, I mean,

33:04

I know we've gotten off, off, off a little

33:06

bit here and that's okay. Um,

33:09

but this, but you know, you can't even

33:11

get that information. Like why doesn't the public know

33:13

this ? Why don't why, because we're doing

33:15

so much business with China, right? What the hell is ?

33:17

No , because you're racist for talking about it. Nobody

33:20

wants to be a racist. Well, one

33:22

Thing too, I think is important to distinguish too

33:24

, is like, it's not like all of China's

33:27

and on it, you know, it's still, it's

33:29

still just like a couple people in the head up government

33:31

, uh, who would be in on something

33:33

like that, who were all still in

33:35

bed with a lot of other heads ,

33:37

Look, look back to January 20, 20.

33:41

Uh , Trump had a China in the corner and

33:43

he , uh , he was trying to end the, the

33:45

, uh, the economic war that was

33:47

going on. And he got like China

33:49

to sign like a truce paper or whatever. We're trying

33:52

to like, recognize that they lost

33:54

the economic war. And then two

33:56

weeks later, the virus hits and

33:58

things go crazy. At the end of the day,

34:00

China wins. China won the war because

34:03

look, look at their economy, their companies booming.

34:05

And everybody else is like still sitting in

34:07

their homes, like scared of this, this virus

34:10

and digital, the, the influences like basically

34:12

you down to zero now. So

34:14

nobody's getting influence of it. Apparently

34:16

everybody's getting COVID.

34:18

I think that's interesting too, though, with like , I

34:21

think there was some misdiagnosis there , um

34:23

, for that, when you look at

34:26

The numbers between the years,

34:28

It has to do with the cycles that they ran

34:30

on on the PCR test , they know

34:33

that if they run over 35 cycles, which was

34:36

common, was 40 cycles, and it's going

34:38

to give me a pause, false , false,

34:41

Positive. So , so why the hell,

34:44

what I want to know is like, you know, okay, so Ron,

34:46

you know, this information, I know a little bit, I didn't know as much

34:48

as you knew about this, I've heard about the PCI cycle

34:50

PCR cycles, because I spoke to a , you

34:53

know, a , a person who worked in , uh

34:55

, you know, in the biological

34:57

medical industry, you know , pharmaceutical industry

34:59

in San Diego, cause it's a big biotech town.

35:02

And she told me the same thing. She said, all this is, but

35:04

she can't talk about it. Cause she doesn't want to lose a job.

35:06

I'm like, what the you . So everybody's

35:08

so this is so like when it comes to our Aly

35:11

leaks, right? Or where do we want to post? It

35:13

seems like, why is the, why

35:15

is Facebook, Google and

35:17

all them in cahoots to

35:19

keep this stuff. Now, now they're rewriting is kind of

35:21

like 1984. I read an article about

35:24

one of these sites that was saying how it wasn't

35:26

Wu Han and anybody was nuts. And now

35:28

they're re editing the article that they wrote

35:30

years ago, trying to sound like more

35:32

like unbiased. I mean, people were getting shut

35:34

down. Zero heads got shut off of like Twitter

35:37

because they had an article about this.

35:39

But then now everybody's talking about it being well . So

35:41

related to cancer culture and not

35:43

being able to print out the truth anymore. I

35:46

mean, you know who these

35:48

fact-checkers are like. Checkers are

35:50

more like, you know, government conformity,

35:52

checkers. Do you conform to our, you

35:54

know, our position in government, if not, I mean, United

35:57

the world, the world is screwed. United

35:59

States I think is screwed. I mean, I mean,

36:01

I think we're going to have a hard time getting this

36:03

alien leaks information out. I

36:05

mean, like, I think they're going to block it.

36:07

Well , uh , George Orwell, I'm pretty

36:10

sure wrote 1984 as a warning, but

36:12

it turned into a how to guide and

36:19

, uh , about , uh , about

36:21

alien leaks. Like it's gonna be D

36:23

platform. It's going to be attacked . Look

36:25

at Julian , its origin in the he

36:28

went through and his website was taken

36:30

down. And when that didn't work, the attacks

36:32

credibility , and when that's in work, they just throw him in jail. And

36:36

, uh, you , you remember a few years ago,

36:38

like half the internet shutdown , I

36:40

think it was in October,

36:43

2019 or maybe 2016,

36:46

October, October, 2016. I believe

36:48

, uh, the entire internet

36:51

went down for like six hours or something.

36:55

And that was like, not long after

36:57

joining us, Andrea was like properly arrested. So

37:00

my, my theory on that is , uh,

37:02

that he was his dead man

37:04

switch. That was , uh,

37:07

supposed to go off at that time. Maybe he was tortured

37:10

and told him , yeah, it's going to go off at this time in

37:12

this method, but I can't stop it. So what

37:14

they do, they shut down the entire internet for like

37:16

half a day. And

37:19

then, yeah.

37:21

And then if you think about like, what

37:24

would possibly be in his insurance files?

37:27

Like he was throwing shade about

37:29

everything. He had all these leaks

37:31

and stuff and he wasn't afraid to put anything out

37:33

there, but he had , I

37:38

think his insurance files where the alien

37:41

in UFO disclosure files , that's

37:46

my opinion. And he sat up , he sat

37:48

on it because that is the

37:50

real power

37:51

Ron Leisha questions . Then you have another server

37:53

on your, one of your sites where he had like a mirrored

37:55

site over there. I'm just kidding. Oh no, no. Just

38:01

joking rod just jog . He

38:03

tweeted, he tweeted

38:04

About , uh, about my site a couple

38:07

of times , uh, with

38:09

alien leaks . So we're going to hopefully get

38:11

stuff that's on

38:12

There . I , I agree. I think we will. The issue quite

38:14

well. They're doing that now, the government. So what

38:16

is this, what do you think the government I'm

38:18

going to ask the whole team here? Why

38:21

do you think the government is now finally got

38:23

like Biden being asked about UFO's

38:25

you got show saying, you know, that,

38:28

you know, like finally do they've agreed that they got

38:30

there . They're looking at, I mean, look, we,

38:32

I know working, you know, working in wa

38:35

well, not disclosing anything, but

38:37

I mean, like I know from like technologies

38:39

that the , the military has, would, you know

38:41

, phase the V Ray radar and all this other

38:43

and satellites and all kinds

38:46

of crap, you know, the alien technology

38:48

is pretty good, all, but not all

38:50

of it in my opinion can be cloaked if

38:52

you know what I mean? So it gets picked up on

38:54

various, you know, radars

38:57

and systems and whatnot and visual

39:00

and infrared and things of that nature.

39:02

I mean, the aliens are smart, but they haven't, some

39:05

of them aren't smart enough to hide completely in

39:07

my opinion. So my

39:10

Opinion on that is that it's , it's

39:12

probably internet conventional and maybe

39:15

they're operating like the fifth dimension or something.

39:17

And then they're just like poking through tart dimension

39:19

play around and then there's

39:21

Yeah. Why is it government talking about

39:23

it now? They don't need to, I mean, okay. So

39:26

My , my opinion on that, sorry, I've got so many

39:28

things,

39:29

Please. That's why you're the co-host

39:31

and that's why you're on the dance show. Go ahead. Uh,

39:34

My , my opinion on that is, and

39:37

it's just an opinion because there was no proof, it's

39:39

just a hypothesis at this point, but

39:41

, uh, the

39:45

government is , uh , letting us

39:47

know that they know that

39:50

there's something there that they don't really know

39:52

what it is. Right. But this

39:55

is it's, it's a limited hangout.

39:58

So they're giving us a

40:00

little bit of information to satiate

40:02

the curiosity, but they're

40:04

hiding the majority of the information. So

40:07

they might tell you, oh, there's these tic-tac

40:09

click spaceships that fly at 20,000 miles

40:11

an hour. And like can turn on a dime and

40:13

fight through water and space and air without

40:16

slowing down. But what they're, what

40:18

they're not telling you is about is

40:21

the five dimensional mothership that's

40:23

hovering over the world right now that

40:26

you don't see, but is there no,

40:30

what, what if we get the documents that

40:32

proves the five dimensional mothership

40:35

is there, right . And

40:37

like looking at everything all at once, like

40:39

omnipresent, that , that

40:42

would freak some people out if it was proven. And

40:44

if there's documents about that, and

40:46

if we get those documents, that would be pretty

40:48

intense. So,

40:51

so

40:52

Haze , you, you you've been researching this for how

40:54

many years?

40:57

Um , geez . I don't

40:59

know. I've been, I've been trying to do the C5

41:02

stuff since I was five. And

41:04

In between, in between, in between smoking

41:06

weed and singing in the rock and roll band and hanging out

41:08

with your pretty wife, you know, how many, how many years have

41:10

you spent on this?

41:12

Um, geez , probably most of my life

41:15

I've been into , um,

41:18

aliens, archeology, humanity.

41:21

Um , you think , do you think Ron, do you think they

41:24

think Ron's right. Think that they are only giving us a

41:26

little bit or did I give you well , of course.

41:28

So , so going back to Admiral Byrd

41:30

, um, there's been presence

41:33

in an Arctica of

41:35

UFO, supposedly, and some

41:38

of the big WikiLeaks , um,

41:40

points to , um , the USA

41:42

and other countries, possibly it could be at war

41:45

with extra tourists,

41:47

Just talking about this UFO.

41:50

Yeah. That's part, that's part of, some of the Wiki

41:52

leaks. Um, UFO

41:54

files is, is the

41:56

government being involved in a war with

41:59

, um, at least one race

42:01

, um, in Antarctica. And

42:03

there's been many stories about

42:05

how there's races been living

42:08

there. Um, and then there's

42:10

also other stories of there's multiple

42:12

races that come and go, and then some

42:14

are evil and some are good. And

42:16

throughout humanity and religion is

42:19

in , in ancient history is another one of the things

42:21

I've always been into, because I think there's a little bit of truth

42:23

in all religions , um, pertaining

42:26

to

42:27

Let me tell you something interesting about religion, that I , a lot

42:29

of people probably don't know, and this is going to sound really crazy,

42:32

but that's why it's called a show, crazy curious

42:34

minds. But , um, I always , you know, it was

42:36

involved or interested, you know

42:38

, in this alien , um, topic.

42:41

So , um, people

42:43

know Isaac Newton, right. You know, he's the one

42:45

that always showed the apple falling from the tree. And,

42:47

you know, he studied the laws of motion and , and whatnot.

42:51

But a lot of people don't know is

42:53

that Isaac Newton spent probably

42:55

close to half the rest of his half of

42:57

his life. Right. On

43:00

religion. Did you know that? No.

43:03

Yeah . I could read a little bit about that.

43:05

It's been weird. Well, when you think a scientist

43:08

like Isaac Newton and it's not been published really

43:10

most of it, and I think there's a reason

43:12

for it. He actually studied the

43:14

ancient , um , you know , Hebrew texts

43:16

of the Bible and whatnot,

43:19

and was studying that stuff. He actually

43:21

believes that a lot of that

43:23

stuff that is going to sound way off, but it's still

43:25

related to alien and alien leaks. I think it could

43:27

be an alien leak actually, that he

43:29

swore that,

43:32

that in the Bible that you could get

43:34

information about time travel,

43:36

that this book was not created

43:39

like this, these texts were created basically

43:42

from extra terrestrials. So,

43:45

but that's never really been out. So I think that anybody

43:47

listening or anybody, you know, even you guys will be

43:49

interested later on, you should just be , I'm going to do a little

43:51

research if I found , I found that to be, to

43:54

be very interesting. So, so

43:56

Hayes , I , I agree with you. I, I , um , I

43:59

and Ron too, I think that there are only, I I'm

44:01

I'm I'm , I mean, it only makes logical

44:03

sense, right? That they're only giving us what

44:06

little bit they want to give us,

44:08

Because there's because there's stories that, that

44:11

since , um, the

44:13

Roswell crash and after that, there's

44:15

a couple of other ones that happened around the world where

44:17

we've gotten this technology and done

44:20

reverse engineering. And that's

44:22

where the whole possibility of the fake

44:24

alien wars come in. I mean, come on,

44:27

think about if we're at war with another alien

44:29

race, would they really need to come

44:31

here? Well , even if they're a hundred

44:33

years advanced a thousand

44:36

million, they

44:39

were nefarious and they had to various reasons.

44:42

Let's just say , I just say chat . The best

44:44

thing they

44:45

Could do is launch a virus. Right?

44:47

Exactly. That'd be the easiest thing they could do, and

44:49

they can do it with drones. Very simple . They

44:52

would not have to come here and physically be involved

44:54

with us . But , but, but there's

44:56

the thing where , um , there

44:59

were supposedly , uh

45:01

, WikiLeaks released some

45:03

information approving that

45:06

, uh , there's technological races

45:08

in an article. And that's why

45:10

there's a presence there from not only the United

45:13

States, but it was Germany early on and

45:15

Russia. And , um, you and

45:17

I can't tell you that . Yeah,

45:20

no.

45:21

Yeah. I was researching some stuff on Antarctica.

45:23

It's very interesting. It's very interesting. After,

45:25

like you said, an Robert and decorate

45:28

decorated , uh,

45:30

We know it, but , uh , uh , that John

45:32

Kerry, I think went there recently. Um

45:34

, yeah . Oh yeah.

45:35

John Kerry , there there's been some prominent people

45:37

that have money that have gone there

45:39

and there's, you know, and I'm sure you've

45:41

heard about the pyramids

45:43

There and there's , uh , national,

45:45

not recently, I'm an ex astronaut went

45:47

there also. I forgot his name, but , um

45:50

,

45:50

And also real, real quick, real

45:53

quick, you know, what most people don't realize is

45:55

Antarctica is larger

45:57

than the United States. And

46:00

they say, it's approximately about as big as the United

46:02

States and Mexico, when you're looking at it on a map you put in Antarctica

46:05

or United States or Antarctica , there's, there's

46:08

millions . There's tons of space. I mean, it's huge.

46:11

It's a lot bigger than people think. It's not just a little rocket

46:13

at the south pole. Right.

46:15

So I think aliens , I

46:19

, yeah,

46:21

Well, they got LA , they got lava lakes and stuff

46:23

like that up there absolutely

46:25

Underneath , which is Addie to the melting

46:27

on one end where the ice is gaining on the other

46:29

end of the continent. And people think that

46:31

it's just a small rock that's melting there

46:34

because they've been lied to and

46:35

Misled. Well that that's the case.

46:38

You know, alien leaks is going to be

46:40

like in big trouble because we're going to, I think,

46:42

I think people are going to start posting stuff. I

46:44

hope that we don't get in big trouble. I hope that we're able

46:47

to , um, you know,

46:49

put , well, I want

46:51

, I want to , I think

46:54

that's why you're on the show Hayes , but

46:58

w you know, my theory on this and I'm

47:00

going , gonna , I'm going to put a hypothesis on,

47:03

you know, alien agenda . And I want to talk to Ron,

47:05

Ron. Cause Ron seems to have a pretty good insight

47:08

on a lot of this. But if I had to say like,

47:10

why are people putting out

47:12

this information? I think it's multifaceted.

47:15

I think they're just various

47:17

groups of people in power who want the information.

47:19

There are probably people like Senator Reed, you

47:22

know, who wants the information and maybe

47:24

they weren't getting it all . So they want to put,

47:26

you know, they want it to get the information. I think there are other people

47:29

were like saying, we got to put it out to placate

47:31

some of these politicians, we're just going to put out enough

47:33

for them to play . Kate . Interesting.

47:39

Mine became unstable. Huh?

47:42

Can you guys hear me? Hey,

47:44

Tony, are you there?

47:45

Yeah. You're breaking up bad. The aliens are cutting

47:47

you off wall

47:50

. Okay.

47:52

I'm back.

47:55

Probably. So it was going to say, yeah

47:59

. All

48:01

right. So getting , getting, getting, getting back.

48:03

I was going to say it like, you know, Senator really get

48:05

too much. Well , I won't say

48:08

clarify what the Senator re

48:10

read, for example, Senator ,

48:12

Can you please clarify?

48:14

I said, Senator read that and I say his name.

48:16

Correct. Can you

48:18

hear it?

48:21

You're breaking up there .

48:22

Wow. I can't even, I can't even talk now.

48:26

All right. Well , um , talking about

48:28

that , well, a lot of talk about that. Let

48:32

me see if I say seven minutes , you probably should talk more

48:34

about it. Let me see if I can get re , re see if I can say

48:36

it again. Senator Reed, did you guys hear that? Good,

48:41

fine . So I think that there's multiple forces

48:43

involved. There's government forces

48:45

, um , trying to get, trying

48:48

to get information, right. And

48:50

I think that there's the military and

48:53

somebody's spy groups that are trying to limit

48:55

to them what they give these guys. They're just

48:57

going to give them enough to placate them. They're

49:00

going to try to give enough just to placate

49:02

the population. Um,

49:04

and they're going to hide most , uh , most

49:06

of the big. And I think the big is,

49:09

is that, that, that, you know, that

49:11

people say, oh, you know, you know, they're gonna , they're

49:13

gonna use this to get money, or they've got some old agenda.

49:16

I actually think they do have a lot of these folks have

49:18

ulterior motives, but there's different forces

49:20

at play. So the military industrial

49:23

political complex that whole and

49:25

security, whatever you want to call it . So if I

49:27

go military industrial security, political complex,

49:30

that's in place, that's, you know, out there

49:32

to can control the media and that want the money for the

49:34

military. I think some of these people are their

49:36

pants and I, and here's what they

49:39

, they recovered without a doubt, you know

49:41

, um, you know, crafted Roswell. There's

49:43

no question in my mind about that. They've

49:46

also recovered dead bodies there

49:48

. Um, they've also at some point

49:50

in time recovered, live bodies, but they weren't able

49:52

to keep them live for very long. And they weren't

49:54

able to do a great job at communicating with these

49:56

guys because they're mostly telepathic.

49:58

And so they, you know, so they had a lot of problems and

50:01

, and, and the other problem is, is that they it's

50:03

an alien, it's an alien, it's an alien culture. And

50:05

this is all hypothesis based upon tons

50:07

of books and readings and things that I've done. So,

50:09

you know, I could be completely wrong, but

50:11

I also suspect that the technology they'd

50:13

been reverse engineering, engineering, it,

50:15

you know, you can hear this through Bob Lasar and they've had a lot

50:18

of problems. You know, these somebodies aliens, they

50:20

made deals and they got technology and they can't completely

50:22

figure out all the. They could figure

50:24

out a lot of it. But what I think has happened

50:26

is it's , it's gotten over their heads now. Um,

50:29

the aliens that they were working with died

50:31

, um, there's less and less that want

50:33

to work with the corrupt, you know, planet

50:36

earth and , and there's other

50:38

alien forces that they have no clue

50:40

what the hell is going on. And they , and they won't communicate

50:42

with them. So, so I think that,

50:45

you know, people are and

50:47

so they want money for the space force. I think that's one

50:49

of the reasons why the space force was created.

50:51

And I think they're going to try to use a little bit of

50:53

fear with these new programs

50:56

that they're going to talk about, and they're going to disclose the information,

50:58

they get money. And, and is it going

51:00

to advance the human race? It'll

51:02

advance those in power

51:05

to get more power. And I don't think necessarily

51:07

it's going to advance the human race. I think the only way you can raise

51:09

is going to advance is by, is by a small

51:12

segment of them. Um, waking

51:14

up, becoming more spiritual,

51:16

getting rid of this, cancel culture and

51:19

getting freedom and Liberty back. And I don't

51:21

know , you know, I'm hoping, I'm hoping that

51:23

this alien leaks can wake

51:25

people up, that people will say, holy, they've been lying to

51:27

us about this. What else did they lie

51:29

to us about? You know, and

51:31

people start to wake up and make a better government.

51:33

That's my hope. I mean, I could be wrong, but that's,

51:36

you know, I don't know what you guys think. You know,

51:38

you think alien , I'm wondering if analytics is going to put

51:40

me and Ron in jail, you know, that's what I'm wondering.

51:42

Well , uh , here,

51:43

Let me explain something to you really quick about that. Okay.

51:47

On December three, 2010

51:51

Jolena songs did a , to

51:54

like a press conference where

51:56

he announced that he's going to publish files

51:59

on aliens. And UFO's no

52:01

way, no, no, no,

52:03

wait, not done . That was December three, 2010,

52:06

right. He announced it December

52:10

eight, 2010, he was arrested

52:13

by the British. And that began

52:15

his whole, like , uh, his

52:17

whole like , uh,

52:20

Incarceration is whole life of incarcerated for

52:23

four

52:23

Days after he knows he's going to talk about UFO's

52:26

is when all that started.

52:28

So I want to know how much longer

52:30

I got for fame. So when is this alien looks like

52:35

it's going up in four days I'm

52:38

going to have,

52:38

I'm going to try to have it up today. I was going to have it

52:40

up last night, but , uh, Brendan , some technical

52:43

difficulties and then Cod sidetracks

52:45

talking with some legal

52:48

counsel. And then , uh,

52:50

So are you saying we only got like another four

52:52

hours of freedom? Four days, four

52:54

days, four days, four days.

52:58

They

52:59

Got , they got Julian in four days after his announcement

53:01

that he's going to talk about your phone. So

53:02

We've got four days. Jesus. That's

53:05

why I

53:05

Think those insurance files were about , well

53:08

, do we have any insurance files?

53:17

Hey , Hey, Hey Chad, can you fly out here and help me if I get

53:19

in trouble, I got you. Okay.

53:23

Do what they did to like, what's his name? Nissan,

53:25

you know, Carlos, don't put

53:28

me into like a little like music box and fly

53:30

me out of here. Cause I'm getting nervous. It'll

53:34

be , well,

53:37

no, one's going to believe us. Hopefully Ron, like, I mean,

53:40

you know , they'll read these, you know,

53:42

but you know, these UFO files

53:44

and then, you know, who knows, who knows

53:46

here's, here's something strange. Maybe we're

53:48

protected by aliens . Think about that. Maybe,

53:50

maybe they want this stuff out and anybody trying to

53:52

go after this is going to be in big trouble. Wouldn't that be funny?

53:58

I like that. You like that? Wouldn't that be funny?

54:00

Well, we'll see what happens, but

54:03

it's quite

54:04

Ironic that the very last press

54:06

conference I ever did as a free

54:08

man was talking

54:10

about , uh , alien disclosure.

54:13

That is mind boggling.

54:15

That is mind-boggling . Wow.

54:18

That is unbelievable.

54:20

Which also makes me a little bit nervous considering the , at

54:22

four days you're putting this thing out, Rhonda . Well , you know , it's

54:25

coming up today. I try to get up

54:27

. Oh boy. But , but it's gonna take them four days

54:29

to get here. So you know what, I, I hope the

54:31

aliens, like when , when they send, like they sent a guy

54:33

out the flight, like we got to go after Ron and Tony.

54:35

Right. I hope they like , and the guy goes,

54:37

you know, it's a safe thing to do, you know, we're dealing with aliens,

54:40

but don't worry. They're not going to bother you. And as soon as the guy gets in his

54:42

car, like the power goes off in the car,

54:44

you know, you

54:46

know, like, they're , they're going to think that like, what the hell did

54:48

Tony and Ron do they own like, it's Tony

54:50

still controlling those military satellites that he

54:52

like Zappas would one of those satellites,

54:55

You know? Well, you know, after

54:57

I heard the news that the CIA has

54:59

like remote controls in the vehicles

55:01

, uh , and they use that

55:04

like to kill people. Uh , I

55:06

bought a fully manual by car as

55:08

manual as it possibly gets, like

55:10

everything is , uh , it's

55:12

like the eight, 10 warthogs cars. Like , uh,

55:16

I don't have any, or I don't have many

55:18

computer systems and certainly nothing that can control

55:20

it . Right.

55:23

You know, survive an EMP then. Uh, yeah.

55:26

Yeah . I'm pretty sure it's a

55:30

mid seventies vehicle. You have to have,

55:33

I've got a reissue of mid seventies vehicle.

55:36

So it's like , uh, they

55:38

just had an air bags too ,

55:40

Dude. That's so smart. That is so smart. But you know, I was going

55:42

to say, Ron, you know, Joe , you know, we joke on

55:44

the show to try and have a little bit of humor because you know,

55:46

who wants it ? Who wants to die? Like sad.

55:48

Right. When they, when they shoot us at the laser beam from the

55:50

satellite. But what I was going to say is, you

55:53

know,

55:53

Oh, you mean like in the, the

55:56

last Christmas?

55:57

Yeah. But like the, the,

56:00

the , um , joking aside,

56:02

there was a reporter and I forgot what story

56:05

he was working on, but like, his car

56:07

like drove like at a hundred

56:09

miles an hour and rammed into like a

56:11

tree and exploded, you

56:13

know? Yeah. And I could probably post,

56:15

I mean, I make posts, I'm trying to post on alien

56:17

agenda that I have my site up. It's

56:20

not completely done yet. So anybody looking at

56:22

it, you know, maybe by the, this probably

56:24

by the time this goes live, but it still needs some work.

56:26

But , um, there was a guy

56:29

who, you know, people were investigating this, did he seem

56:31

like he was trying to post off on,

56:33

I don't know , Iraq or something, but you

56:36

know , you know, if you think about it here , it's a really simple

56:38

premise, right? If you're a spy

56:40

agency or in a military, cause I've worked for the military

56:42

and this is not like a secret, but

56:45

if something is theoretically possible,

56:47

you have people in think tank room says , you know, they

56:49

they're, they're the ends justify the means and they don't give

56:52

a. They're like, well, you know, if a car's got

56:54

a computer, right? Guess what? We

56:56

can hack into it. And if we can control

56:58

the steering and we can control the brakes,

57:00

we can drive the car off the bridge.

57:03

You know what I mean? And or off the road

57:05

or into a tree or, you know, or we can

57:07

overheat the engine, it'll explode. And if you've got like

57:09

Tesla batteries that are like, you know, haven't been changing

57:12

and get your software update, maybe the batteries

57:14

will explode and kill you in the car. You know,

57:16

you know what I mean? I mean, so, so

57:18

you know, this is I

57:20

can guarantee you it's there it's because

57:23

once again, we're not spiritual

57:25

beings. You know, we're not ethical, you know, ends

57:28

justify the means. So, you know, you really

57:30

want to give people like the , you think the aliens really

57:32

want , you know, any decent alien, the only aliens

57:34

that are given technology to America or any country

57:36

are the ones that are up that you can't trust. So

57:38

guess what happens when you're dealing with up aliens,

57:40

you can't trust, they do up stuff that you

57:42

can't trust them . Then you're like, holy, we've

57:44

got to disclose this to everybody. We need a space for

57:47

us . And we got a war against aliens. We shouldn't have been dealing

57:49

with

57:50

The funny thing about us. Tony

57:52

, do

57:55

you think there's multiple factions currently?

57:59

For

58:00

Sure . For sure. For sure.

58:02

Definitely

58:03

No doubt. Some more nefarious than others.

58:06

Some that are there obviously too trusting

58:08

and gullible some benevolence

58:10

. Absolutely. Yeah.

58:13

And some that are too smart to have anything to do

58:15

with planet earth. So, you know, seriously,

58:18

I think there , I think in the universe,

58:21

there, there is mostly because

58:23

it's evolution, right? If you look

58:25

at like, like lakes throughout planet

58:27

earth, you'll see that evolution works very

58:29

similar to even, there'll be a lake hasn't been attached

58:31

to another lake. The fish grow

58:34

very similar. They're not the same exact fish. You have

58:36

FUBU fish here that I don't want to eat. Cause they have neurotoxins

58:38

in them, but usually taste pretty good. But you run

58:41

the risk of dying. Um, you've got,

58:43

you know, like in New

58:45

Jersey, you've got blue fish and, you

58:47

know, salmon throughout the world, Fisher fish

58:49

all over all over earth, but they're , they've all

58:52

, you know, I think differently. I don't think they were from the same,

58:54

you know, group, you know, but, and

58:56

I also believe that aliens , um, in order to travel,

58:59

you know, to earth and whatnot, whether it be interdimensional

59:01

travel or whether it be , um,

59:03

you know, creating a warm hole or, or just using

59:06

a device, that's close to the speed of light and they just

59:08

waste all that time coming here. I mean, it doesn't

59:10

take a lot of time, but when they go home, millions

59:12

of years will pass or whatever, you know, there are

59:14

different levels of technology. And,

59:17

and I think there are different levels of aliens. And I think that the

59:19

couple of rules, a couple of simple rules, they're

59:22

usually, probably not so nefarious

59:24

that they, if they were , they would have wiped themselves

59:26

out or they be at constant war and

59:28

that's unstable, you know, it's kinda like

59:30

having a piece of garbage in the road. You

59:32

know, you drive people drive over it for a while , but it's

59:35

not stable to have that garbage in the middle of the

59:37

road. It eventually gets blown to the side of the rope

59:39

. And that's how I think , um, alien

59:41

intelligence works. There's some that are corrupt

59:44

and evil. Like humanity is right now, in my

59:46

opinion, we're like the garbage in the middle of the road.

59:48

And if we're not careful, we're just going to get run over

59:50

and destroyed, you know, or we're going to have to move to the side,

59:53

you know , or we're going to have to become part of that road

59:56

and become more harmonious, you know, with

59:58

the galaxy. And we're just not there yet. So

1:00:00

if we were only dealing, it's like who you

1:00:02

are, who your friends are. So humanity is

1:00:04

not in my opinion, very spiritual.

1:00:07

So therefore it only, it's only dealing with really

1:00:09

low level non-spiritual entities and the ones that

1:00:11

are spiritual probably sound like super

1:00:13

aliens. They don't want to deal. And there was an interesting

1:00:15

thing that I read and I don't know if it's true, but it's

1:00:17

very interesting. 1954,

1:00:19

they say that Eisenhower , um

1:00:22

, met, we were able to meet with like two

1:00:24

with a group of aliens. And

1:00:27

, um, it was said that that

1:00:30

group said to him that

1:00:32

we would like to help you guys out. Um,

1:00:35

we want to have like communication and

1:00:37

, and whatnot and , and work together.

1:00:40

But the military was there and they're like, wow, you got spaceships.

1:00:42

You know, you can fly into galactically. And

1:00:45

they're like, yeah, they're like, we want the tech. We would

1:00:47

like to start looking at that technology. Can you

1:00:49

give us technology? And we'll give you like, you know,

1:00:51

some bases on earth or whatever, and

1:00:54

nail and to like give us basis on earth, you

1:00:56

know, for technology, you know, like they didn't. So

1:01:01

they'll like , like, well, we'll give you technology,

1:01:03

but we , we got a process for that

1:01:05

would your type of species. And they're like, oh cool.

1:01:07

Can we sign the process documents? You know, no

1:01:10

, like, yeah, you gotta go through, we got to go through

1:01:12

these few steps and then we'll give you the technology. And I'm

1:01:14

like, oh, okay. Um , what's the quickest we can get these

1:01:16

steps done. They're like, well, according to our scientists

1:01:18

, humanity is going to take about, well , uh

1:01:21

, two , 300 years. And they're

1:01:23

like, what? We gotta wait two, 300

1:01:25

years to get the technology. And they're like, yeah, you guys

1:01:27

are too up. And not in those

1:01:29

exact words, you're going to have to like

1:01:31

, prove

1:01:31

To yourself . I'm

1:01:34

sorry.

1:01:36

Oh yeah . Well , I'm translating for you

1:01:38

guys. You know, I'm just trying, I'm

1:01:40

just trying to translate, but you

1:01:42

know, but you know, what they didn't say was that they were

1:01:45

dealing with these little grays from Roswell

1:01:47

and they had some technology from there , whether it was from

1:01:49

the stuff and I'm like, it. We don't need

1:01:51

it. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're going to get the technology

1:01:53

from somebody else or some other way. And

1:01:56

they're like, well, you guys shouldn't really be working on technologies.

1:01:58

We really working on your spiritual development, but like,

1:02:00

get the outta here. You hippie hippie aliens

1:02:05

will shoot you. You know , if you don't get out of here

1:02:07

.

1:02:08

Well, speaking, speaking about shooting aliens.

1:02:10

So , you know, the video that, the

1:02:13

videos that the Pentagon is putting out right, where

1:02:17

they're like tracking these tic-tac is

1:02:19

tic-tac ships here in San Diego.

1:02:22

That was right off the bat . We're chatting. Well

1:02:25

, the military is getting , uh , they're getting missile,

1:02:27

like lock ons , or they're getting a lock

1:02:30

on with that . Cause they're using the weapons systems

1:02:32

to , to follow these ships. Why,

1:02:35

why aren't they shooting a missile? I

1:02:40

think once they lock on they're

1:02:42

making maneuvers that just blow their minds

1:02:44

even more. I mean, yeah

1:02:47

. So what else go

1:02:50

ahead Hayes . Remember the , um,

1:02:55

the war of Los Angeles or whatever

1:02:57

it was and where, where there was a UFO sighting

1:02:59

, uh , drew world war two

1:03:01

. I think it was, and we had Santa

1:03:04

Monica or wherever it was in near

1:03:06

LA. They shot so many

1:03:09

weapons at this UFO

1:03:12

with the bright lights on everything they felt

1:03:14

were being invaded by Japan or whatever. Um,

1:03:18

and it caused huge damage.

1:03:20

And then they tried to brush underneath the rug later on.

1:03:23

Um, we , we have stuff

1:03:25

that can damage their vehicles. Honestly.

1:03:27

I , I think it's

1:03:30

a waste of time trying to use modern,

1:03:32

you know, our chillers. So that

1:03:34

means they've tried it and failed.

1:03:36

I got, I got, I got, I got a better

1:03:38

answer.

1:03:39

No , let's

1:03:41

try it go. You go first please. No , if

1:03:44

you , if you , uh, are

1:03:47

you familiar with deep thoughts? The Jack Andy

1:03:49

thing , uh, on SNL

1:03:51

skit, it talk about the

1:03:53

spirituality and everything. It just reminded me of

1:03:55

, uh , jokey had where

1:03:58

he said, it's

1:04:00

just says , um , aliens might not

1:04:02

be ready to give us the secrets to

1:04:04

the universe because they think we're not

1:04:06

ready, but maybe they'll change

1:04:08

their tune after a little torture.

1:04:14

Well, that's true. I'm going to , I'm

1:04:16

going to tell you why, why they stopped

1:04:19

shooting at , um , well, I shouldn't say

1:04:21

stop, but let , I'm gonna

1:04:23

tell you why, what

1:04:25

I think from what I, what I read. And this

1:04:28

is where speculation, the reason why

1:04:30

you asked whether they, why didn't they, they

1:04:32

did, they have shot at

1:04:35

these UFO's and

1:04:37

it's not just the United States. Russia.

1:04:39

I think Iran and multiple countries have

1:04:41

shot at these UFO's. And

1:04:45

guess what happened in most cases? Nothing

1:04:48

. Well, the weapons shut down. No

1:04:50

, in some cases it was worse than nothing. The

1:04:52

plane that was shooting at them sometimes

1:04:55

disappeared

1:04:56

All really and sometimes,

1:04:58

And hold on, hold on. Not only did they disappear,

1:05:01

sometimes they blew up. Okay.

1:05:04

And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you something

1:05:07

it's that I haven't never really

1:05:09

told anybody, and I'm going to mention this and it's

1:05:11

not, there's no security

1:05:13

clearance related to this. I used

1:05:15

to teach computer science on the military. Okay.

1:05:20

And I, I , um, I also did some other

1:05:22

consulting, but, but at the time I was doing,

1:05:24

you know, literally I was really honestly only

1:05:26

teaching computer science and

1:05:28

I was out on the military ship and I had friends

1:05:31

that were in, you know, you know, they

1:05:33

, they have these rooms that, you know , do

1:05:35

phase the Ray Raider and all this other war

1:05:38

rooms. And , um, and

1:05:40

I've, you know, we had, we had, we had

1:05:42

CNN on

1:05:45

the ship and we had, we

1:05:47

were doing like military exercises and

1:05:51

two planes. And I got multiple

1:05:53

verifications. As two planes went out to

1:05:55

do some maneuvers. They were flying together. And

1:05:58

one like swerved right? In one like

1:06:00

swerve left. Now

1:06:03

I can't say that it was a UFO

1:06:06

or what happened at the time, because I couldn't get the information,

1:06:08

but something happened. And

1:06:11

that plane literally

1:06:14

disappeared from radio radar.

1:06:19

Okay. We

1:06:21

went out for days looking

1:06:25

for that airplane for

1:06:27

damage, because they assumed

1:06:29

that the radar either screwed up or the plane blew

1:06:31

up because , you know, we need to disappear from radar using means

1:06:33

that the particles are too small to be seen on a radar. I

1:06:36

mean, usually radar can pick up things like a plane

1:06:38

blowing up, you know, cause usually it's particles, it looks

1:06:40

like birds or whatever. I'm not a radar

1:06:42

expert, but , but I did talk to radar experts.

1:06:44

So the , but the plane just actually just disappeared.

1:06:48

And we spent

1:06:49

When they , when they crash it

1:06:52

, after a certain elevation will come on . Right.

1:06:54

But , but I mean , like it disappeared at a certain altitude. It didn't

1:06:57

just like go down and disappear. It just like

1:06:59

was there and then gone, gone

1:07:02

light . Like it like went into a black hole. So

1:07:05

we searched for days. We never

1:07:07

found the plane and

1:07:11

um, CNN was there for something. And

1:07:13

I remember someone talking about, yeah.

1:07:15

And I remember somebody talking about something

1:07:18

and um, I remember, you

1:07:20

know , people saying they can't really talk about what happened. And I,

1:07:22

you know, I kept my mouth shut, you know, cause I had

1:07:24

some friends there and I think they report,

1:07:26

I feel sorry for the family. I really do. They

1:07:29

reported that there was an accident and the pilot, you

1:07:32

know, was a hero cause he

1:07:34

was doing some mission or whatever. But

1:07:36

when I, when I saw that, I said, holy.

1:07:40

You know, we have planes that just disappear,

1:07:44

alpha radar. And we have no evidence,

1:07:46

no nothing, no oil slick, no, no

1:07:49

nothing. Okay. So that, so

1:07:51

adding that to some other information that I got

1:07:54

is that, you know, that we have

1:07:56

shot at alien, you know

1:07:58

, craft and a lot of times

1:08:00

the results aren't very good. And you

1:08:02

know, so therefore there's an actual order.

1:08:04

I think not the shoot after UFO's

1:08:07

to not engage alien

1:08:10

craft,

1:08:11

You can spend it that way for at least 20 years

1:08:13

or more now.

1:08:15

Right. So, so, so I think that

1:08:17

we can , if we can get some stuff on alien leaks

1:08:19

about the confirm , something like that, Ron,

1:08:22

I think that would be big. So, but I think

1:08:24

that's just going to scare people. So this is why I think

1:08:26

like that whole Brookie support that Chad was

1:08:29

talking to Chad about earlier that, you know,

1:08:31

I think people are ready, but I think

1:08:33

the United States now is like, you know,

1:08:35

they're just trying to, they're trying to, like, as

1:08:37

you said, Ron, just give a little bit information, placate

1:08:39

the population, the people who really know

1:08:41

what's going on are definitely not going to want to put out

1:08:43

what the hell is going on. And

1:08:46

I think that, you know, you and I are probably gonna get a lot

1:08:48

of documentation and I think we can be part of

1:08:50

the wakening of society, but I don't want

1:08:52

like , like, like I said earlier about the anti-gravity

1:08:54

stuff, I don't know if I want to post anti-gravity stuff. I

1:08:56

don't think we're ready for anti-gravity . So

1:08:59

If you look at two , two , I like you're saying on

1:09:01

this where people being ready is very interesting.

1:09:03

The timing of the leaks recently,

1:09:06

you know, for the first ones where they so-called

1:09:09

admitted that the, and it got admitted that there's

1:09:11

actual leaks and they didn't know what these objects

1:09:13

were and all that kind of stuff. Everybody

1:09:16

just came out of a , a lockdown

1:09:19

for over a year.

1:09:21

A lot of people lost friends, family, things

1:09:23

of that nature. They had their

1:09:25

entire world completely

1:09:28

shifted upside down and then

1:09:30

got kicked in the butt as it is.

1:09:32

They got dropped on their head. Like there

1:09:34

, every buddy really just had

1:09:37

the rural hand to them and so many different ways,

1:09:39

you know, like it was a complete restructure of

1:09:41

their inner , an interpersonal relationships

1:09:44

completely across the board and a spectrum

1:09:46

of all human function. And so

1:09:49

everybody is kind of now just like,

1:09:51

oh, I can't wait to get back to normal or this is

1:09:53

the new normal or things like that. So

1:09:58

people being introduced this whole

1:10:00

new world now it's such

1:10:02

a rapid development and shift and perspective

1:10:05

that like people aren't as

1:10:07

solidified in what they view have

1:10:09

a , as a worldview at this point. So

1:10:11

there's good and bad to that one. The good

1:10:13

is people may be more open to it because they don't

1:10:15

know what the hell to think anymore at this

1:10:17

point. Um, and

1:10:20

then the other side of it is though, some

1:10:22

people just can't take anymore and that might, we

1:10:25

like not weed out. Cause I don't think that's

1:10:27

the right expression, but that might push some

1:10:29

people over the edge. So it's important

1:10:31

for other people to have their own mental

1:10:34

health practices as

1:10:36

well, to where they can stay at peace

1:10:38

and remain grounded with themselves. So

1:10:40

whatever comes at them, whether it be aliens

1:10:43

or another pandemic or , uh , whatever

1:10:45

it is , um, good or bad

1:10:48

that they're able to remain present in their own lives

1:10:51

to make sure they don't

1:10:53

just fall into the trap of what

1:10:56

could happen. Otherwise,

1:10:58

Ron walk-ins puts out his WikiLeaks or I

1:11:01

guess that was a , that was a subliminal slip

1:11:03

here. It is alien leaks or

1:11:06

website . Right. And all these people start freaking

1:11:09

out. Your business is going to grow. Isn't it. They're going to come

1:11:11

to you and say, Chad, please, could you give us some help

1:11:13

us?

1:11:16

Is that what's going to happen? You're going to get more business. I

1:11:19

don't know , man. I, you know, I,

1:11:21

I just hope people find it for themselves, man. However,

1:11:24

however they seek it out MRI with it, you know,

1:11:27

What would you do? Well know I'm not trying to

1:11:29

be too funny here, but what would you do if you had somebody come into

1:11:31

your place and says, I've been watching this stuff on,

1:11:34

you know, alien leaks.org and alien

1:11:36

agenda.org. I've got all these pictures and oh

1:11:38

my God, there's aliens out there and

1:11:41

they're working on spaceships and we've

1:11:43

got anti-gravity and they're interdimensional and there's

1:11:45

multiple beings. And you know, and

1:11:48

I'm having a hard time dealing with religion, you

1:11:50

know? Um, how are you going to help him

1:11:52

as the , is Dr. McKinney, would your

1:11:55

Dr . McKinney said , Hey, Dr. McKinney, could you please help me out? What

1:11:57

are you going to,

1:11:57

What are you going to do? Well, first

1:11:59

I won't be licensed even after I'm doctor,

1:12:01

but like, why

1:12:05

not? Well, I just , uh

1:12:07

, I had no interest in it , uh, after

1:12:09

the marriage family, child therapy degree , I just, I

1:12:11

, I prefer like the coaching route. Cause I like the

1:12:13

flexibility of it. Firstly,

1:12:15

by will you, well ,

1:12:17

You helped me if I can't handle it anymore, will

1:12:19

you help me at least? Could you, at least of at least go to you

1:12:21

privately and say, Chad , um , Ron, put

1:12:23

some stuff out. Really blew my mind. I

1:12:25

can't take it anymore. I mean, I just can't

1:12:27

take this anymore. Could you help me out? I

1:12:29

always got you covered Tony, but

1:12:32

I would , I would say

1:12:33

Honestly to any person that counts

1:12:36

to me, like that would just be

1:12:38

okay, how

1:12:40

does that affect you right now? What I'm worried

1:12:42

about tomorrow? I'm worried about this and now what did they do that,

1:12:44

you know? Okay. But at this moment,

1:12:46

right now, does anybody or anything have

1:12:49

control of you and just bring

1:12:51

people back to their breath. Once we breathe,

1:12:53

we can connect to that internal piece . And

1:12:56

from there we can make a more aligned

1:12:58

decision this in our higher interests , like even

1:13:00

like Navy seals, for example, right? Like they

1:13:03

engage in box breathing , uh, which

1:13:05

would be there's different variations of it . You can

1:13:07

change the inhalation, count, excalation,

1:13:10

count, things like that and the holes. But

1:13:12

you know, an in breath for four seconds, one,

1:13:15

two, three, four, you hold for four seconds

1:13:18

and then you exhale for four seconds, hold

1:13:20

for four seconds and you could change it a

1:13:22

multitude of ways. But what that does is

1:13:25

it engages the sympathetic and parasympathetic

1:13:27

nervous system. So people were ready for

1:13:29

fight or flight at that point, but they can make

1:13:32

actionable decisions

1:13:34

When Ron gets like some real evidence. And I get like

1:13:36

an alien that I'm going to bring to you who can't take

1:13:38

it out on the planet. I'm going to say, look, I got this little alien

1:13:41

that can't take living here . One's got this alien,

1:13:44

take the alien to you . And you can like try to tell

1:13:46

the alien how to survive on planet earth. Is that possible,

1:13:49

Man , I'll just , I'll give 'em , I'll

1:13:51

give them $5,000 coins for a trip

1:13:53

out of here.

1:13:57

So, so haze once,

1:13:59

once, once this alien leaks goes up and

1:14:01

it, and disclosure is finally done, I think

1:14:04

I actually think, and joking aside, I

1:14:06

think alien X has the potential, as

1:14:08

long as we're not stuck in jail with joined us orange

1:14:10

, drinking the same orange juice , um,

1:14:12

you know, that , um, that this could

1:14:14

really be a site

1:14:16

that could actually finally irrefutably

1:14:19

put out disclosure . So for someone like you,

1:14:21

who's been into UFO's and aliens and all this

1:14:23

research for all these years Hayes , if you got

1:14:26

irrefutable evidence like an alien

1:14:28

leaks and the government said, okay, we give up, you

1:14:30

know, who've been involved for, you know,

1:14:32

60, 70 years in his alien . We

1:14:34

just don't know what to do anymore. And we're scared.

1:14:36

And we don't, you know, we're trying to get money

1:14:39

and w we don't know what aliens to deal would in

1:14:41

, you know, we made some big mistakes,

1:14:43

you know, how would it affect you? You

1:14:46

know, as a person who's all these

1:14:48

years is , is you're gonna be like, oh , I knew all this already.

1:14:50

And is it gonna affect you? Hey, so I'm just curious ,

1:14:54

Uh, of course it will affect me. I mean, I be

1:14:58

only willing to be a part of it and

1:15:00

not to say, I told you so, but it

1:15:03

gives you a feeling of a lot of people,

1:15:05

including the government that were naysayers

1:15:08

and they mocked people and they made fun

1:15:10

of them , um, for even

1:15:12

mentioning UFO's in the past, and then they

1:15:15

turn around and now they're starting to admit

1:15:17

it, that they're seasoned . They see that there

1:15:20

, they can explain.

1:15:22

And I think , uh , Ron's timing

1:15:24

on this site. I think couldn't be

1:15:26

better, especially with

1:15:29

the fact that during the COVID with so

1:15:31

many people being at home, or people went outside

1:15:33

for a walk, more people looked up in the sky,

1:15:36

which they normally don't. And I believe

1:15:38

I read somewhere that UFO

1:15:40

sightings went up around 50

1:15:42

some odd percent since

1:15:45

the COVID, because people are actually taking

1:15:47

the time to look at the stars,

1:15:50

you know, go look at the sky and not

1:15:52

be so wrapped up in their world

1:15:54

and then come home and just watch TV until they zone

1:15:56

out.

1:15:57

So, so Ron, I want to ask

1:15:59

you a question on this show, you know,

1:16:01

and I don't mean it to be too sensitive, but

1:16:04

, um, you know, I had

1:16:06

just put up, you know , our podcast,

1:16:08

you know, and I put your name on there and somebody,

1:16:10

I don't know who it was told me that like, you

1:16:13

know, they saw complainant , maybe it was Chad or somebody

1:16:15

that somebody said, oh, you know, he's lying

1:16:18

about being Q or whatever. Do

1:16:20

you think that , um,

1:16:22

you know, your previous role as

1:16:24

an administrator for, I was eight Chan

1:16:27

and now, you know, a coon.top or whatever,

1:16:30

you know, managing these other sites, do

1:16:32

you think that's going to be, and your background,

1:16:34

you know, and do in administrative and you you've

1:16:36

got like tons of falls and we were going to have this as

1:16:38

a cancer culture, but I mean, you

1:16:41

know, Trump, we quoted , you know, stuff that

1:16:43

you've actually posted on Twitter.

1:16:47

Um, you've had, you've got banned, I guess, from Twitter,

1:16:49

Facebook, I don't know. I mean , I mean, you had tons

1:16:51

of followers, but I know you still have followers on telegram

1:16:53

and other places. I mean, do you think

1:16:56

that your previous, you

1:16:58

know, employment or, you know

1:17:00

, jobs and interests is

1:17:03

going to help hurt or

1:17:05

neither, you know, related to Alex? And I, you

1:17:07

know, I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I think people are

1:17:09

going to say, you know, this guy was involved

1:17:12

with eight Chan and that whole queue , and

1:17:14

I mean, you're on HBO series,

1:17:17

you know, into the storm. Just curious

1:17:19

what your thoughts are related to

1:17:21

from the previous, you know, your

1:17:23

previous media, you know,

1:17:26

out in the media versus what would, what

1:17:28

you're doing and what we're doing now.

1:17:31

All right . Well, first off , uh , I wasn't

1:17:33

, uh, employed in January . That

1:17:35

was just, it's just a hobby

1:17:37

of mine. Okay. And

1:17:39

, uh, the,

1:17:42

the HBO special was , uh

1:17:45

, it was a kind of a way to discredit myself

1:17:48

on purpose. Right. And

1:17:51

there is a strategic, like a purpose

1:17:54

behind that. And I'm not , I'm not, I'm

1:17:56

not going to go too much into detail on that here,

1:17:58

but right . That was on

1:18:00

purpose. And I was very careful with the information

1:18:03

I gave the director. And , uh,

1:18:07

essentially everything that he

1:18:09

put in that documentary , uh,

1:18:12

was something I planned out to be put in

1:18:14

there, except for like one part where he had me on camera.

1:18:16

But , uh , that's neither

1:18:18

here nor there. I don't really mind in

1:18:21

hindsight, but I didn't plan for

1:18:23

that to be in there, but the rest was basically

1:18:25

all planned out. And , uh, I have no

1:18:27

qualms with the way that he presents

1:18:30

me, because you

1:18:33

know, when with rhetoric, there's like three

1:18:35

, uh , major , uh , uh,

1:18:38

branches of rhetoric. There's like

1:18:40

, uh , there

1:18:43

there's one that deals with credibility. And then there's

1:18:45

one that deal with swift logic. I

1:18:49

forget the names now , SOS , Paphos

1:18:52

. And

1:18:53

You sound like you're reading Plato and

1:18:55

Aristotle. Now it sounds , uh , yeah,

1:18:58

go ahead.

1:19:00

Yeah. So there's a third , uh , I forget

1:19:02

what it's called now, but , uh, essentially

1:19:04

is what I'm doing is , uh

1:19:06

, I destroy my personal credibility.

1:19:09

It's a type of ego death, right.

1:19:12

And if you destroy

1:19:14

your ego and you have no

1:19:16

credibility, but your

1:19:19

statements are full of logic and

1:19:23

very powerful statements, then people will

1:19:25

focus on the statement instead of focusing

1:19:27

on you as a person. Right. So,

1:19:29

so I

1:19:32

I'm, I'm okay with them calling me a clown

1:19:35

or , or , uh , making fun of me that I'm

1:19:37

completely fine with that because

1:19:40

it, it makes the things I say even stronger.

1:19:44

So I just looked it up because I've

1:19:46

heard this before, but I don't remember this, but yeah , it was

1:19:49

from Aristotle. There is the FO's

1:19:51

path , hosts and logos are

1:19:54

the three modes of persuasion

1:19:56

Yeah. And logos . And

1:20:00

, uh, I, I , uh,

1:20:04

I sacrificed my ethos to

1:20:06

maximize my logos . Well, you know,

1:20:10

nice .

1:20:10

I agree with that because basically FO's

1:20:12

is an appeal to ethics. Is it, you know,

1:20:15

veal by authority Patheos is emotion

1:20:17

and logos is logic. So I've

1:20:20

always liked Spock on star Trek. You

1:20:22

know what I mean? He was always the logical one because,

1:20:24

you know, logic, I mean, people, if

1:20:26

you live by your , just by your emotions

1:20:28

and appealing to authority, I mean, those

1:20:31

people can get you in big trouble, you know, but if you

1:20:33

appeal to people's logic. So

1:20:35

I think, I think I know you go

1:20:37

on, so you basically kind of saying that, all

1:20:39

right . So, so the , this other stuff, you know,

1:20:42

may, may give you some fan

1:20:44

base or , or people are gonna know you, but

1:20:46

I don't think it should take away from credibility.

1:20:49

Because I looked at when

1:20:51

we talked about the, and , you know, cause I was

1:20:53

always into science fiction, I want to do alien, you know,

1:20:55

agenda. And you're like, yeah, let's get some, you want to do

1:20:57

leaks. And you're telling me that these ideas you had and you decided

1:20:59

to finally do it. And I'm like, it's very

1:21:01

logical. It is very logical.

1:21:04

I mean that people should be able

1:21:06

to send information. If it's out there, what's

1:21:08

going to come in and if it's not out

1:21:10

there, it's not going to come in. Um, basically

1:21:12

fishing. Yeah. Yeah.

1:21:15

But , um, did we catch

1:21:17

The big tuna or are we going to get

1:21:20

Yeah. And I just don't want to , I just don't want to be in the sardine.

1:21:22

Can, would you one day zip it up? You know , we

1:21:27

got four days. Yeah . I got four days.

1:21:30

So I'm going to , I got this one bottle of really

1:21:32

expensive whiskey that I was going to say from my son

1:21:34

joins like professional soccer, but I think

1:21:36

I might just drink it early and write him a letter 55

1:21:43

hours. Okay

1:21:45

. Thanks . I'm

1:21:47

really glad I got involved with these , with these guys

1:21:49

. I

1:21:56

should have been, but my mom said always be careful who you hang out with,

1:21:58

you know? So

1:22:01

, um, okay. Well, we've done quite a bit on

1:22:03

this show already. Is there anything, you

1:22:05

know, w we can continue on, but is there anything,

1:22:08

you know, Ron or Hayes or

1:22:11

Chad, you know, I probably

1:22:13

spoke too much on the show as usual. Um,

1:22:15

I told my son the other day, I said, you talk to much.

1:22:18

And he looks at me and he goes, dad, don't

1:22:20

you ever tell me that? I

1:22:25

was like. He's like , he's

1:22:28

like, and that's a curse word. And that's supposed to say.

1:22:30

And I said, I said, it's just a word.

1:22:34

Well , you say I can't use it at school. I

1:22:37

say he can't. All right

1:22:39

. So , um, so anything

1:22:41

, um, Ron, anything that you are, let me start

1:22:44

with, we start with Chad and then go to Hayes

1:22:46

and then you and Ron. So , um,

1:22:48

Chad, anything that you wanted to say

1:22:51

before we end the show, any topic related to

1:22:53

alien leaks or cancer culture or anything

1:22:55

that you want to say before we end this podcast?

1:22:58

And I almost, I kinda like last

1:23:03

time we spoke is really just to

1:23:05

the listeners out there, again, find your

1:23:07

own truth and do

1:23:10

the best you can to discern

1:23:12

the information that's being presented to

1:23:14

you and, or the information

1:23:16

you're seeking out and

1:23:19

try to figure out your own truth. You know, a lot

1:23:21

of information is presented with the agenda

1:23:23

agenda behind it. So , um,

1:23:26

find out what resonates and what feels

1:23:28

best. And, you know,

1:23:30

sometimes there's things that are uncomfortable

1:23:33

and we need to face that uncomfort

1:23:36

in order to , um, grow.

1:23:38

And so, you know, learn to be comfortable in your

1:23:40

uncomfortableness. So you can face with

1:23:43

what may spawn for their growth,

1:23:46

but yeah, just find your own truth

1:23:49

And then go to go to the San Diego

1:23:51

, um, you know, airports and by chats

1:23:53

book or online, or go online

1:23:56

to find his book. The name is what, again,

1:23:58

Thank you for that detail. I appreciate heaven

1:24:00

heaven in the now a journey through mind,

1:24:03

body, and soul.

1:24:04

Wow . Um , I'm going to call you Dr. McKinney, even though you

1:24:06

haven't got your doctor, Dr. McKenney , cause you're my doctor.

1:24:08

You're my personal doctor. So thank

1:24:10

you. Thank you for joining this episode. Appreciate

1:24:14

it . And I'm hazy. Are

1:24:16

you still there? Are you shipping ? I'm still

1:24:18

here. I know

1:24:19

We didn't dive really deep into the cancel culture.

1:24:22

Um , but I just want people, if you're not

1:24:24

familiar with it, you're

1:24:27

even remotely interested on why

1:24:31

so many things are being canceled. Why so

1:24:33

many things are not able to be

1:24:35

debated or questioned in

1:24:37

this day and age stomping

1:24:39

figure the big players, bill gates,

1:24:42

mark Zuckerberg. And

1:24:44

if you haven't seen it go back

1:24:46

and look at and

1:24:49

pay attention to the way that they respond

1:24:52

and look at the emotions in their

1:24:54

body and their faces when

1:24:56

they were taken to court, bill gates

1:24:58

for a monopoly, mark Zuckerberg for hand-tight

1:25:01

, um , competitive tennis and , um,

1:25:04

several other string of things. Um,

1:25:07

and wonder why all of a sudden

1:25:09

they're big players in the game. Well, they're,

1:25:12

they're in the government's pockets and

1:25:14

they're behind a lot of this cancel

1:25:17

Culture. You know, there

1:25:19

there'll be , I don't think they're the ones doing it. I think it's the government

1:25:22

forcing them to do it, to be honest.

1:25:23

Hey exactly. And that's what I'm seeing you

1:25:25

notice that they weren't big players until they

1:25:27

were taken to court court

1:25:30

monopoly. That makes sense. And

1:25:32

then within a year or two, suddenly

1:25:36

they're the main players in all of this stuff. That's

1:25:39

just something to look into.

1:25:41

Interesting. I never, never thought of that,

1:25:43

that way. Interesting.

1:25:45

Um, I always, you know, I listened to bill gates.

1:25:48

He says, I now need any more than 64 KRM

1:25:50

on my computer. And I was , well , what is one of mine that computers

1:25:52

would never work?

1:25:54

Hey,

1:25:56

His computer guy, he said, you never need more than 64

1:25:58

KRM . And , um, that was, I

1:26:01

was always wondering why none of my phones nothing would work

1:26:03

anymore because I limited the 64 K

1:26:06

oh well, anyhow , um

1:26:09

,

1:26:09

Alien leaks is going to run off.

1:26:12

Well , Ron , Ron thinks I'm not things I said,

1:26:14

I shouldn't listen to bill gates. He's going to put more memory

1:26:16

in his systems. Okay

1:26:21

. It's okay . It's okay. Even

1:26:24

people , even smart folks make mistakes. I

1:26:25

Give them to them . [inaudible] was pretty good back in the day.

1:26:28

It actually was. That was a huge

1:26:30

step up for us as

1:26:33

was going from four to 16

1:26:35

megabytes,

1:26:37

Bill gates. If you're listening, I'm only joking.

1:26:40

I actually re think you're a very smart

1:26:42

computer guy and I don't want you giving

1:26:45

me a bad vaccine. So I'm sorry if I said

1:26:47

anything bad about , um,

1:26:50

Ron , um, anything,

1:26:52

anything you want to say about, or

1:26:55

yeah , go for it. Take your time. So

1:26:57

If you're a scientist researcher

1:27:00

in communications with aliens or otherwise

1:27:02

have access to original, never

1:27:04

before seen documents , uh , regarding

1:27:06

alien technology, biology or communications,

1:27:10

then please consider , uh , going

1:27:12

to alien leaks.org and

1:27:14

, uh , reading the submit documents page.

1:27:18

And then you can , uh , go

1:27:21

there to get some information on how to protect

1:27:23

yourself while you submit documents daily Dalian

1:27:25

links.

1:27:26

Wow. Well, I don't, I

1:27:28

don't, you know, I don't have much to end with,

1:27:30

I th I want to say thank you to all you guys.

1:27:32

I think that this alien leaks is going to be,

1:27:35

I have a suspicion that this thing is going to be

1:27:37

big. I just hope that we can change

1:27:39

the world for the better. And , uh , that's

1:27:41

my goal. And I'm looking forward to working with you,

1:27:44

Ron, on that as you get information

1:27:46

and analyzing the information, I think it'll be

1:27:48

fun. Cause it's, you know, this is science

1:27:50

fiction turned into the science reality. So, so I

1:27:52

love it. So I want to thank you guys all for

1:27:55

joining this episode, you know,

1:27:57

of alien agenda and , um, maybe

1:27:59

you guys will be on in the future. Me and Ron will

1:28:01

be doing these things probably

1:28:03

like at least twice a month. So thanks everyone.

1:28:06

Thanks for joining alien agenda. And you guys

1:28:08

all have a great day. Thanks. You

1:28:10

do too.