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Welcome to all about android. This is your

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weekly source of latest news, hardware,

1:50

an app. So, though, looking through here,

1:52

we're a little app light this week. That's

1:54

okay. We got a lot of hardware to make up for

1:56

it. I'm Jason Howe. And

1:58

I'm Michelle Romand. That's right. Welcome,

2:01

Michelle. It's good to have you back. We do not

2:03

have Ron. We do not have Wynn

2:05

tonight. Both of them have the night off, but

2:07

that's okay. I mean, other than the fact

2:09

that we miss them terribly, they'll

2:12

be back next week. But filling

2:14

in their shoes which is kinda

2:16

interesting because I don't know if Adam has the

2:19

same size foot as

2:21

Wynn. But anyways, Adam Dowd

2:23

from slash gear and benefit of the Dowd

2:26

Welcome to the show, Adam. Well,

2:29

thank you for having me. I very much appreciate

2:31

it. Yeah. It's good to get you back. It's been a

2:33

little while, and We

2:35

got a little bit of a different flow, a little

2:37

bit of a different format tonight. We got Jason.

2:39

We got Michelle. Adam. A

2:42

lot a lot of news. I gotta say when I was putting

2:44

this 7a, well, actually, okay, there's

2:46

news and then there's 7a. And we got a lot of

2:48

rumors and show it today. Let's go. Rumors

2:51

are fun. I always enjoy rumors.

2:53

I know some people are anti rumor. How do you

2:55

guys feel about that? Like, you know,

2:57

talking about the things that could or could

2:59

not be It's it's still enjoyable

3:02

even if it's not true hardcore Right?

3:07

I mean, on my podcast, I I used

3:09

to have pretty strict rule that I 7a

3:11

talked about rumors.

3:12

Oh, you're one of those. I

3:14

was one of those. Yeah. And and

3:17

but But no. I mean, like, I 7a for

3:19

a new site. So I have to say it's just 7a

3:21

too. It's fine. It's just it's just one

3:23

of those things. It's like, you know, oh, it's this

3:25

is something that might happen. And nine times

3:28

out of attendance right, but still. Yeah. You

3:30

know? Yeah. You're kinda making a bet just

3:32

by talking about it that it might actually happen.

3:34

Sometimes though it's fun to go back and and take

3:36

a look and just see just how much stuff

3:40

didn't actually happen. Take

3:42

stock. It might actually now that I think about

3:44

it, be better to not do that because

3:47

then you don't see how wrong you work along the

3:49

way. But anyways, think of it as

3:51

like storyland in the world of

3:53

android. Once upon a time, this

3:55

thing could possibly happen. But

3:58

we're actually gonna start things off not

4:00

with rumors. We're gonna start with news,

4:02

which is what we do at the top of the show.

4:05

7a, you know what to do. This

4:09

week, I'd like to add a 7a annoyance

4:11

level widget to the Android News.

4:14

Oh, really. And

4:16

if you could add such widget,

4:19

what would it say right

4:20

now? It sounds like it would be like a scale,

4:22

like a 7a. And would it

4:24

be?

4:24

It would be like an LED bar meter.

4:27

Okay. Yeah. Like 7a, you know,

4:29

no no not a percentage. What

4:31

would it be showing right now? What's

4:33

your annoyance? It'd be pretty low. Nick

4:36

can maybe one, two LEDs

4:38

out of ten. Let I think 7a likes

4:41

rumors. That's what I think. That's

4:43

why it's so low. Oh oh, It's going

4:45

up. Alright. Alright. Well, let's

4:47

get into not the 7a, but the actual

4:49

news. And Michelle, we're gonna start with

4:52

you because you've been you've been busy.

4:54

Actually, you were you were busy last

4:56

week. The day after we had the show, it was possible

4:58

that you were gonna be coming on the show and you're like, you know,

5:00

I I don't think that I can I'm gonna

5:02

be pretty busy. Now I know what you 7a

5:04

busy with. Android fourteen developer

5:07

preview 2, so we are now

5:09

already because it's already mid March,

5:11

if you can believe that, twenty twenty three.

5:15

Two developer previews in on

5:17

the next version of Android fourteen.

5:20

And as always, with this kind

5:22

of, like, early look into

5:24

what the next version of Android could be.

5:28

I'm curious to know kinda, like, from

5:30

your perspective, what you're seeing here, what are the

5:32

things to get excited about? Like

5:34

or are we at peak phone at this

5:37

point? That's what Leo said a couple of weeks ago

5:39

when I think Android previewed

5:41

our fourteen developer preview one came

5:43

up. And he was like, you know, reading through

5:46

on this week in Google some of the features there.

5:48

And he's like, man, we're at we're a peak

5:50

phone here. Like, none of this is exciting

5:52

anymore. What what

5:54

do you think, Michelle? You're the one that kinda went through

5:56

piece by piece on TWiT. To pick it apart.

5:59

Are you excited by any of this stuff?

6:03

Well, I mean, to be honest, there aren't that many,

6:05

like, groundbreaking features seen

6:07

you know, in the latest release or on

6:09

the blog post or even through kicking. But,

6:12

you know, there are some really interesting or neat

6:14

features that people have been talking about such as

6:16

the emoji wallpaper that's

6:18

available for Pixel devices. At least,

6:21

it seems to be exclusive to Pixel's phones.

6:23

And you can, like, generate a

6:25

emoji laden wallpaper from a whole bunch

6:28

of emojis, pick the color or

6:30

have the system randomly 7a one for you

6:32

and apply that. 7a, I think it looks really cool.

6:34

But to be honest, it's not really like

6:36

something you think of when you think

6:37

of, hey, this is an Android fourteen 7a. And

6:40

I'm pretty sure doesn't actually even require

6:42

Android fourteen to even work up.

6:47

Oh, that was just distance. Don't worry.

6:49

That's that's his perk. Yeah.

6:52

This is the thing's actually You just keep it

6:54

going. Yeah. Yeah. By

6:55

somebody. think one of the more

6:58

one of the more interesting changes that'll have,

7:00

you know, massive implications in the future is,

7:02

like, the credential manager feature

7:04

that's coming in Android

7:05

fourteen.

7:06

Yeah. And it'll also be backward compatible with

7:08

older versions. So we've talked before on

7:10

the show about the future of passwords

7:12

or rather the lack of them. You know, you wanna get

7:14

away from passwords because you constantly

7:16

see websites getting hacked, your passwords getting

7:19

leaked, people using, you know,

7:21

easy to guess passwords or just,

7:23

you know, really poor passwords. They stick

7:25

them on, stick you out or forget them. And

7:27

so, you know, you the the Internet kind of

7:29

wants to move away from them and switching them has keys.

7:31

And this deep credential manager framework,

7:34

this API, whatever you wanna call is

7:36

basically adding support for that built into

7:38

Android. And so, you know, once

7:41

this support has been added to Android,

7:44

once enough websites, implement passkey support,

7:46

and then users are starting actually switching

7:48

over to it, then eventually, you know,

7:50

our accounts online will be much more

7:53

secure. You know, that's the

7:54

idea. And can't wait for that to happen,

7:56

to be honest. Yeah. I mean, that's a

7:59

that's a huge that has

8:01

a large potential for a huge quality

8:04

of life kind of boost

8:06

when it comes to using our smartphones.

8:08

I think at this point, we've been using smartphones

8:12

in the way that we use them now for,

8:14

what, however, many years, fourteen years.

8:16

Wow. Something like somewhere

8:19

around there. I don't know about Android, but you

8:21

know, iPhones maybe a little bit

8:23

7a. But we've we've

8:25

gotten very used to the

8:28

annoyances around certain things,

8:30

passwords being one of them. Like, it's

8:32

never it's never been enjoyable

8:35

on that tiny screen to punch in a password.

8:38

Of any sort or to remember and, you know,

8:40

get the field and do that whole process. It's

8:42

always been kind of, you know,

8:45

I mean, potentially frustrating. I suppose

8:47

password managers have helped with that.

8:49

Certainly, things are lot easier now,

8:51

but it sounds like things are gonna get a

8:53

heck of a lot easier

8:57

somewhere in the future. Although, this

8:59

feature set being baked into Android

9:01

doesn't necessarily mean that, like, 7a

9:04

fourteens can come out. And suddenly,

9:06

you don't need passwords anymore. All the apps are

9:08

transitioned over. It's kind of the beginning stages.

9:10

Right? Like, this this type of stuff is gonna

9:12

take. I imagine it's gonna take

9:14

a few years to really catch its footing.

9:18

Yeah. So what 7a fourteen is

9:20

introducing four apps is like a

9:23

platform credential manager framework

9:25

that, you know, various password managers

9:27

can hook into. So, like, Dashlane, for example,

9:29

announced that they're going to support this and that

9:32

on Android fourteen, you'll be able to use pass

9:34

keys that are stored on Dashlane

9:37

with the Android fourteen credential manager.

9:39

And then on older versions, you'll be able

9:41

to use Google's password manager service

9:44

to use pass keys. So

9:46

enter fourteen basically opens the the floodgates

9:48

for third party platforms to

9:50

use pass keys.

9:52

Love it. Love it.

9:55

What do you think, Adam? Maybe

9:57

we can finally get away from passwords

9:59

because you when you were talking about typing and passwords

10:02

before, I just wanted to chime in and say, especially

10:04

since iPhones don't give us a number row yet.

10:06

And it's two thousand twenty

10:08

three, and I'm never I'm never gonna stop beating that

10:10

drum. But I'm

10:12

so, like, unfamiliar with

10:14

iOS at my

10:16

at the core of my being. I've had a handful of

10:18

times where I've used it for, like, a week

10:20

here and there. That's detail

10:23

that I guess I forgot. Like, there's So

10:25

that's right. No. But but I have an iPhone.

10:28

My daughter has an iPhone. She she got a phone.

10:30

She saved up her money and she got an iPhone.

10:33

And and

10:35

that's right. I've helped her set up few things

10:38

on it, and I have to keep switching over

10:40

in order to see the number out. That is annoying.

10:42

And don't think I really TWiT two together, but

10:44

that's a that's an annoying thing that iOS

10:46

does, that Android does better. There

10:49

we go.

10:49

Well Yeah. Well, on the flip side, and

10:52

I'm

10:52

sorry. Go ahead. No. It was it was tangent. Just

10:54

go. Just go. It's fine. I

10:56

was gonna bring up there is one thing that iOS

10:59

does better than Android, and many people

11:01

have been asking for for years to come on

11:03

Android. And finally, we might see

11:05

it in Android fourteen. It's the ability

11:07

to 7a a PIN code and

11:09

have the system automatically recognized when

11:11

you've entered it

11:12

correctly, so you don't have to actually hit the enter

11:14

button. Oh, my

11:15

goodness. You. Yeah.

11:17

I know Samsung and, like, a whole bunch

11:19

of other OEMs have had this feature for years,

11:22

but AOSP and Google's Pixel

11:24

hasn't offered that feature, and that's something that

11:26

looks to be coming in Android fourteen.

11:28

Yeah. I like that a lot. And I was gonna

11:30

say, I I feel like I've had that on Android phones

11:33

you're probably you're right. It's probably

11:35

if I'm on a Samsung phone, Samsung is

11:37

probably baked this in so that it works.

11:40

But I I definitely don't have that experience

11:42

on the Pixel. Always have to hit that enter button

11:45

for the most part. So Yeah.

11:47

Which sounds which sounds so kind of

11:49

ridiculous. Like, oh, no. Poor you have

11:51

to hit the enter button. But when you've had it

11:53

the other way where you just enter in the number and

11:55

boop, it recognizes it, moves on.

11:58

Again, it's a nice quality of life boost.

12:00

It's a

12:01

It's a major minor upgrade. Yeah.

12:03

Yeah. On board with that. A major minor

12:05

upgrade. I like that.

12:09

Any other things that you're looking forward

12:11

to or even some minor minor

12:14

upgrades that people can look

12:16

out for?

12:17

Oh, well, there are a ton of

12:20

minor upgrades to look out for upgrades.

12:23

7a, minor. I guess one of the most exciting

12:26

that's I wouldn't really call it minor. It's actually

12:28

pretty big feature. It's the upcoming native

12:31

webcam functionality. So

12:33

I've talked about this before, but, you know, you'll able

12:35

plug in your phone and use it as a webcam. That

12:38

functionality is partially present

12:40

in developer preview 2. You're missing

12:42

the app that actually, you know, takes input

12:45

from the 7a. And forwards it to, you

12:47

know, the place where the host device for your PC

12:49

can actually recognize, hey, that this is here

12:52

are the camera frames. Let me use that as a webcam.

12:54

So it's, like, partially implemented in DP2.

12:56

We'll probably we might see it in, like, beta one,

12:58

for example. Mhmm. And that would be a really nice

13:00

feature because I'm willing to bet you, like,

13:03

ninety nine percent of you out there probably have

13:05

a better camera on your smartphone than you do

13:07

on your

13:07

webcam. Yeah. No kidding. Right?

13:10

And on your laptop. And they're gonna have to get

13:12

one of those little mounts that allows you

13:13

to, like, put your phone right, you know, mount it

13:16

right up

13:16

above you. It should have been

13:17

available like

13:18

Like, several versions

13:20

ago, though.

13:20

It's really is it just me? It's

13:22

so little new. Have a Like, Apple just

13:24

did it this year

13:25

-- Right. -- even you go. But but there's

13:27

been that have been doing it for a while. Sure.

13:30

Sure. There are apps that do but it's like

13:32

what moves it into the mainstream better than

13:35

a company, especially like Apple

13:37

going, hey, check this out and

13:39

it working seamlessly and people

13:41

enjoying it. You know what I mean? That's you just

13:44

take an idea that's like, yeah, some people

13:46

are doing it, enthusiasts are doing you

13:48

know, the real geeky hardcore user

13:51

has figured out how to make their phone a webcam

13:54

for a computer, but the average consumer didn't

13:56

even know that it was like an option until

13:59

apples in it. And then suddenly, it's like, oh,

14:01

well, I wanted you that too. And

14:04

so In Google's

14:05

defense, to be honest. The way they're

14:07

doing it is probably much more

14:09

open than, you know, any other platform.

14:11

Like, on on iOS, for example, you can only

14:13

use continuity camera with

14:15

a MacBook or, you know, -- Right. -- iMac. Yes.

14:18

Right. Android. Really good. It's

14:20

it's you're basically turning your phone into a

14:22

standard USB video class

14:24

webcam. So if you have any USB

14:26

webcam, that's basically what you're turning your Android

14:29

phone into, which means

14:29

nice. It'll work with any platform. You

14:32

know, Windows,

14:33

Linux, macOS, anything

14:35

that supports

14:36

UVC webcams, your phone should

14:38

be capable of working with that. Will it work with an

14:40

app? Nice. With a Mac computer?

14:44

Yeah. Sure. You could you could probably

14:46

you could

14:46

probably even use one Android phone as

14:48

a webcam for another Android phone.

14:51

Oh. I don't

14:54

I don't know why you knew that when I think I

14:56

don't really be able

14:57

to. Yeah. That's a good good

14:59

question as to why you would want to do TWiT.

15:01

It's like if it's if you you

15:03

know why Go on if

15:04

phones, Jason. You didn't think of a Yeah. No. I'm

15:07

I'm thinking of it right now. It's I

15:09

wanna look at this phone, but

15:11

I don't want the person on the other side

15:13

of the video to see me looking

15:15

at

15:16

them. I want the I want a nice sideways

15:19

profile.

15:20

I don't 7a. You've been holding the camera.

15:22

You need that holding the 7a.

15:24

Like, Yes. Oh, that's my assistant.

15:26

He's just holding really still.

15:29

That's why

15:29

it's not moving. Yes.

15:30

See, the 7a gonna It's like your interview show.

15:32

You can get the multiple angles and stuff. Yeah.

15:35

Or I wanna be able to look

15:37

at what I'm, you know, the person

15:39

I'm talking to, but I wanna be able to also

15:42

show them what's on the

15:44

the table with the I I don't know. I'm

15:46

I'm grasping at straws here. There's

15:48

gotta be a reason why you wanna use phone

15:50

connected to another phone. Someone will figure it

15:52

out, and someone will probably get a couple of thousand

15:54

views on YouTube when they do the how to. So there

15:57

you go. Yeah. That's

15:59

how it goes. Alright.

16:02

Well, that's excellent.

16:05

We'll look forward to that. Coming

16:07

here. Well, I mean, you'd get it on your

16:09

phone right now. I still have not flashed

16:12

the developer preview year

16:14

after year. I I kinda have a different

16:16

approach on it in this year. I just I

16:19

haven't. I think I'm probably gonna wait

16:21

until the next one and see if maybe

16:23

jumping over then. Because I don't do the responsible

16:26

thing of, like, oh, get a second phone and

16:28

put it on that and check it out over there.

16:30

7a, when I jump in, I'm just like, well,

16:33

let's see what happens. And I do

16:35

it on my on my daily

16:38

7a. And I'm leaving

16:40

on a vacation next week, so I'm not willing

16:44

to take that chance with with my phone

16:46

before then. Maybe when I get back, I'll do it.

16:49

But

16:49

that's probably a smart call. It

16:51

is. Yeah. I don't make many of those

16:54

those things called smart calls. don't make many

16:56

of those in my life. But I am right now.

16:59

And updates FoldPixel devices.

17:01

So if you have a pixel device,

17:03

you've gotten used to the feature drops. And

17:06

the first feature drop of twenty twenty

17:08

three is here. Got

17:10

some new features for you. And

17:13

I think some of these we've talked about with

17:15

the the betas,

17:17

you know, kind of the beta action happening

17:19

around this update prior to this

17:21

moment. In time, but you get faster

17:24

night sight, picture

17:26

taking on pixel six devices.

17:29

The seven got faster night sight

17:31

capability last year. So

17:33

this is kind of catching up the

17:35

previous generation. Magic eraser

17:38

for all Pixel phones. Which I think

17:40

kind of, in general, everyone has access

17:42

to magic eraser if you've got Google

17:44

Photos now, but getting

17:46

it on device as opposed to inside of

17:48

the app magic array 7a 2 FoldPixel

17:51

phones. Direct my call, a

17:53

feature I never use, but I'm

17:56

actually really curious if anyone here has

17:58

has used it with any regularity. It's four

18:01

a and above

18:03

any direct mic call fans. I mean,

18:05

it's it sounds neat. It's just not something I

18:07

ever think to use.

18:10

I don't make very many calls that

18:12

need me to be on line for, like, thirty minutes.

18:14

So --

18:14

Yeah. -- yeah. 7a

18:16

found an easy for us. Yeah. I mean -- Yeah. -- I've

18:18

used it couple of times, but honestly, I haven't

18:21

this is terrible. But I've owned every

18:24

pixel since the six and I barely

18:26

use pixels these days. I really should.

18:29

In fact, I'm I'm adjusting

18:31

my my daily

18:33

driver schedule. I used to be six months iOS,

18:35

six months Android. Yeah. Now I'm shifting four

18:38

months iOS, four months

18:40

Samsung, four months Pixel. Specifically

18:42

for that reason. You're you're following

18:44

for the Samsung, we have

18:46

nothing to do with Android even though we run on

18:49

Android. Line of thought, aren't

18:51

you? There's Android, there's iOS, and

18:53

there's Samsung.

18:54

Admitted, Adam.

18:55

Well, well, I'm just

18:57

kidding. Samsung is a very very significant players.

18:59

Yeah. They aren't. They are.

19:01

7a with them. They are. And and they've got

19:03

their own ecosystem. I mean, they're they're they're very

19:05

different world. Samsung Pixel,

19:08

iOS, they've got their own kinda

19:10

like corners. I think that's really smart. I

19:12

think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. To

19:14

spend that kind of time with Samsung too because

19:17

those phones and that ecosystem can

19:19

do so many things when it's interconnected

19:23

so many so much so that it's hard to keep

19:25

it all straight. So that makes a lot of sense.

19:28

HealthConnect now built in, not a separate

19:30

app. We knew that was coming.

19:33

7a shown a lock screen. Okay.

19:35

That's useful. I mean, I've certainly had times

19:37

when I've got timer going and it would have

19:39

been much easier 2 just look at my lock screen to

19:42

see it. And then fall detection

19:44

on Pixel Watch, which

19:46

has been, you know, in the kind

19:48

of in the queue. We've known that it was coming eventually.

19:52

Now if you

19:54

fall, your watch will know. So

19:56

I fell and need help. Or

19:59

I'm okay if it detects that

20:01

you've

20:01

fallen. Just tap that.

20:03

Just tap that little button. I

20:05

wanna interject Just please click

20:08

on the the timers across devices.

20:10

That's actually kind of a big deal

20:12

because, like, how many times have you

20:14

set a timer on a Google home? And,

20:17

you know, then you have to constantly ask how much

20:19

time is left 2 my timer? How much so,

20:21

like, if I set a a timer on my Google

20:23

home according to this, that's gonna show up

20:25

on my pixel lock screen

20:26

too. So

20:27

Is it a cross device? I can't get it.

20:29

I I'm

20:29

yeah. It is cross the lock. Oh, I

20:33

7a. Big deal. Okay.

20:35

Thank you for pointing that out. I thought

20:37

I thought it was just saying all of your

20:39

Pixel devices will now when

20:41

you have a timer set, show it on the lock

20:43

screen. I was like, oh, okay. I

20:45

didn't realize that wasn't a bit. So you're

20:47

talking about sync timers across

20:50

all devices. So setting a timer one device,

20:52

it's synced to your other devices. That is

20:55

super

20:55

helpful. Yeah. I mean, that's what it says.

20:57

And that way, when you set a timer on

20:59

a Google home device and you don't know which Google

21:01

home device actually set that timer for

21:03

you because you've got four around you

21:05

and, like, any one of them could possibly pick

21:08

it up. That way, you don't have to, like, go to each

21:10

Google home and say, how much time is up to my timer? You

21:12

don't have a timer running. Much time is that 2 my timer?

21:14

You don't have timer running. How much time is that to

21:16

my timer? Five

21:16

minutes. Thank you. You know

21:18

every time every time I use this system,

21:21

on my phone to set a hey,

21:23

g set a timer for blah blah.

21:25

It always says your second timer

21:27

is set for blah blah blah. And I never know what my

21:29

first name is. Like, wait a minute. What are you what

21:32

timer are you holding on to? Like, it's always

21:34

set second 7a. You're

21:36

like When is my first timer going off?

21:39

Like, what is it set for a

21:41

million years at eight o'clock

21:44

AM? It's set for your exact

21:47

lifespan. On the on the

21:49

day I die, that timer's gonna go off

21:51

and I'm gonna be like, Google knew.

21:54

Whoa. Stop. That

21:56

that would be a little creepy. I think we've got a

21:58

movie plots in the

22:00

works there. And then

22:03

finally, we

22:05

could we can say we saw it coming. Right?

22:07

Like, I I would imagine anyone

22:10

in this room and on this panel saw

22:12

this coming. Do you remember when

22:14

Google stadia fizzled away? And

22:17

Google said that it planned

22:19

to keep and reuse the technology behind

22:21

Stadia in many ways. They specifically set the

22:23

underlying technology platform that 7a

22:26

Stadia has been proven at scale,

22:28

transcends gaming, We see

22:30

we see clear opportunities to apply

22:32

this technology across other parts of Google,

22:35

like YouTube, Google Play, and augmented

22:37

reality efforts as well as make it available

22:39

to our industry 7a, all

22:42

of those partners, which aligns

22:44

with where we see the future of gaming

22:46

headed. And

22:49

Google has done what it's, you know,

22:51

proves time and time again that nothing lasts

22:53

forever. The timer my

22:55

first timer was synced for this moment.

22:58

Its immersive stream for games effort

23:00

is now dead, bringing

23:03

stadia to an absolute, almost absolute

23:05

close. Apparently, they still have some of

23:07

this going for XR efforts. I'm not

23:09

entirely sure what that actually means

23:11

other than there's still a help like

23:13

slash support page for this

23:16

related to x

23:19

r and a r, but there

23:21

we go. Stadia Technology,

23:24

done so. Did we

23:26

all see this coming? 7a are you at all surprised,

23:29

Adam? Somewhere, there

23:31

is a Google data center with

23:33

a squadron of planes flying

23:35

over in the missing man formation. And

23:39

Yeah. Probably too late. don't

23:42

know. Google Google loses

23:44

a lot of its its

23:47

services folk. Well, not

23:49

the people. But, you know what I mean?

23:51

They lose a lot of their

23:52

services. don't know that they're having any sort

23:54

of and killed by Google games something else.

23:56

Yeah. You know what? I would rather Google

23:58

kill this off than kill something

24:00

actually useful off, which it also has

24:02

a history of

24:03

doing. So I mean, if this kind of pushes

24:05

the goalpost back a little bit, I'm good with

24:07

it. Right. You subscribe to the thought

24:09

that if Google's killing this, that is not gonna kill

24:11

something else. And I don't know when I subscribe

24:14

that thought. Exactly.

24:16

I mean, I'm like And they're all just like

24:19

What

24:19

did you mean he killed this week? Well, we did just

24:21

kill stadia, so we should probably give

24:23

a Yeah. Let's not kill things for a while.

24:25

Like, maybe wait couple months. 7a were you gonna

24:27

say, Michelle? Yeah. This is one thing I thought

24:29

would survive the demise of stadium. Yeah.

24:32

You know, the technology behind it, licensing

24:34

this to businesses,

24:36

and, like, having them you

24:38

know, use it as white label, cloud gaming

24:41

--

24:41

Yeah. -- gaming service, you know, for their own As

24:44

you know, technology, seems like a Google

24:46

Cloud 7a.

24:47

Yeah. Yeah. Google Cloud, like, you know, they're

24:49

trying really hard to push Google Cloud onto 7a.

24:51

So this would be one way to actually, you

24:54

promote that and what remained

24:57

of, you know, the demise of Google's

24:58

stadium. TWiT the failed business

25:00

with the failed technology 2 put it

25:02

out of business? You know?

25:05

I mean, the technology itself It's

25:07

like would be a really tough sell. Google

25:10

couldn't sell enough people.

25:13

On the idea that Google has

25:15

a service that you as a gamer want

25:17

to pay into in order to

25:19

have your games in the cloud, not own physical

25:22

like, they couldn't sell that aspect, but

25:24

they did create this really cool technology

25:26

that allows that would potentially

25:29

allow plenty of other companies to,

25:32

you know, use their imagination and

25:34

and use, you know, have these, like, instant

25:36

launch games or whatever that that,

25:39

you know, don't require download or whatever.

25:41

Ronom audio at 7a Technica pointed

25:43

out that the white label game streaming service

25:45

had a total of three 7a. That

25:48

we know of, I suppose. AT and T

25:50

offered Batman Arkum Knight. That was kind

25:52

of the first one that was like, oh, look, they're

25:54

getting into the white label business. That actually

25:56

happened. Before we knew

25:58

that Google was doing that. Peloton

26:01

launched a biking game called lane brake and

26:03

Capcom launched resident evil

26:06

village which was like a demo. Those are

26:08

the only three that we know of. So

26:10

as far as like a business that set, you know,

26:12

set the industry on fire, you're TWiT

26:14

doesn't seem like it did that. Maybe

26:17

there's no need for it. I don't know, I

26:18

guess. Mhmm. And and if

26:21

there is a need

26:21

for almost 7a. Was that?

26:24

Stadia almost worked.

26:26

Yeah. It's a It's a it's a

26:28

deep cut to it's a deep

26:30

cut to deep impact. Yeah. 7a

26:32

worry about missed it by a lot

26:34

much. Yeah. Okay.

26:37

Well, so I guess that means that

26:39

we no longer talk about stadia because

26:41

that was like the last thing? Or

26:44

I don't know. I don't know.

26:46

Anywho? Pretty used

26:48

to Google killing things, and so this kinda

26:50

doesn't surprise me at all. Let's

26:53

take a break. And then when we get back, we're gonna

26:55

enter into it's not entirely

26:57

Ruger Land, but it is is

27:00

entirely pixel land and

27:03

has something to do, I think, with Google io

27:05

coming up here in couple of months. So

27:07

we got some fun stuff to talk about. Really

27:09

great to have you on Adam. And also, Michelle,

27:12

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Alright. I'm gonna

31:00

wait the number. Yeah. It's okay.

31:02

You know, as long as we get there. First

31:05

up, it's seven

31:07

a. It's like this is the time

31:09

of year where we start thinking about,

31:11

you know, when is the a series gonna

31:14

happen? It's usually got, like, a couple

31:16

of months from now. We've got Google I o

31:18

coming up, and so there times in the past

31:20

when they've been synced up. There have also been

31:23

times where they haven't been synced up.

31:25

I think the pandemic a couple of years

31:27

ago. But the Pixel

31:29

seven a is near. We're

31:31

starting to hear a lot more about And the

31:33

reason that we know it's near is

31:36

because hands ons are already

31:38

hitting the web. You know?

31:40

And at this point, I'm not entirely

31:42

certain that this isn't just a ploy by Google

31:45

because it happens literally every

31:47

year like clockwork. But a

31:49

hands on the web with

31:51

really clear shots of,

31:53

you know, pics and video of of this

31:55

device that is as of yet unannounced

31:58

by Google. 7a of

32:00

a v Vietnamese site called Xin News.

32:03

And if you take a look at the photos, we

32:05

got linked there. You can see the

32:07

design again looks very

32:09

similar to seven has a flatter

32:12

camera bar, so that's very similar

32:14

to the six a, how it didn't shoot, you know,

32:16

the camera bar isn't as deep. And

32:19

steep as what you get on the flagship

32:22

releases

32:23

of this this iteration of

32:25

this device. Yeah.

32:28

What's up? I I did I did wanted mention

32:30

this is not actually like a new

32:32

leak. If you look at the serial number --

32:34

Oh. -- that's a lot. -- in the photos. It's

32:37

the

32:37

exact same device that leaked back in

32:39

January. So it looks like So it was

32:41

just more photos? Or It's just more

32:43

photos. It looks like probably the person

32:45

who had that phone in January. However,

32:48

they got it. I don't recall the exact story

32:50

behind that leak, but that

32:52

phone was braked. So it doesn't boot anymore

32:54

as you can clearly see in the new photos. So

32:56

somehow that phone made its way

32:59

to this new person who has now posted

33:01

much higher quality

33:02

photos. So interesting. That's

33:04

kind of what happened here. You

33:06

7a like a detective. You you

33:08

blow me away from the show. III don't

33:10

I don't think credit for spotting this discrepancy

33:12

because I was kinda too busy with Android fourteen

33:15

stuff, but yeah. That was

33:17

pointed out to me. It's it's cool.

33:19

You could take I'm I'm gonna give you credit even

33:21

though you're gonna take it. Okay.

33:26

But nonetheless, we've got a lot

33:28

more photos to take a look at as

33:30

far as that phone is concerned. So if you're getting

33:32

excited about it, you can get at least a little

33:34

bit more excited don't know, you

33:36

know, any of the, like, pricing

33:39

details, of course, you know, guessing

33:41

in the four forty nine, four fifty

33:43

range. Don't know. But Yeah.

33:47

I don't know. Are you excited, Adam? Do do

33:49

the a series phones get

33:51

you excited? I mean, for the longest time the

33:53

a

33:53

series, for me has been the easy recommendation

33:56

for people looking for a mid range 7a what do you think?

33:59

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the only thing that gets

34:01

me down about the a series is the lack of

34:03

wireless charging that spend -- Yeah.

34:05

-- consistently. But, I mean, you know,

34:08

it's okay. What can I tell you

34:10

what I'm most excited about? Yeah. The

34:12

one the one photo has a Sim tray and

34:14

I'm excited that the Pixel 678

34:16

is gonna have a Sim tray and not go

34:18

e sim because e sims are terrible. Anyway,

34:22

you you're not excited about that. Wanna support

34:24

wireless charging?

34:26

Will it support wireless charging?

34:28

I would be That's that's the rumor. That that's one

34:30

of the rumors. Oh,

34:31

that's a No. I didn't really have

34:33

the flight 2 on a series phone.

34:35

So we'll see. Let's see what yeah.

34:38

Yeah. Everybody understand. Take

34:40

everything we're talking about here with a with

34:42

a, like, a a salt like

34:44

Healthy dose, essentially. Yeah. Healthy dose of

34:46

salt. Yeah. Healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

34:50

So that would actually be a big

34:51

deal, though, if it had wireless charge.

34:53

That would be a very big deal. That would be,

34:55

like, why buy price points? Yeah.

34:58

That's that's my question. Like, if this

35:01

seven a does have a nine year display

35:03

and wireless charging, then we're

35:05

gonna differentiate it from the pixel eight.

35:08

And I guess we'll find

35:09

out. 7a, you know, again, it probably

35:11

goes back to the camera. Actually, we're gonna

35:13

talk about the the eight to be

35:14

FoldPixel eight. Those

35:17

smaller. Yeah. Some for some people, that's

35:19

a 7a, not a not a bug. But,

35:21

like, the Pixel six a

35:23

had the the six point one inch screen,

35:26

which, I mean, actually, on

35:28

on the podcast on my podcast just

35:30

a couple days ago, Cliff and I were talking about,

35:32

like, think six point one is like that just

35:34

Goldilocks zone of the --

35:36

Yeah. -- perfect screens as they absolutely love.

35:38

I think that's a really good point. I would totally

35:40

agree. I'm kind

35:42

of become more of a fan of a

35:45

little bit of the smaller display. I've

35:47

gone through the total art of this phone

35:49

was, like, give me the biggest phone 7a and now

35:51

I'm, like, starting to peel back. Like, yeah, you know

35:53

what? It doesn't have to be that big. But,

35:56

yeah, six point one inch display ninety hertz

35:58

refresh, eight gigs,

36:01

LPDDR5 RAM, hundred

36:03

twenty eight gig storage, dual

36:05

twelve megapixel camera setup with

36:08

wide and ultra wide lenses. So you got the

36:10

dual camera setup, so that could be one of the

36:12

differentiators, I suppose. Metal

36:16

frame glass sandwich, you

36:18

know. There you go. Now hungry.

36:22

So that's the seven a. And then

36:25

I think this one's really funny. I'm super curious

36:27

to hear what you guys have to say about this. So we've

36:29

got a couple of leaks around FoldPixel,

36:33

I mean, it just it really feels like

36:35

this has happened in this year. We're getting lots lots

36:38

of, you know, lots of lots of

36:40

noise around the fold now. But

36:42

this first one, I'm kinda like,

36:44

Seriously, this is news, like, I don't

36:46

I don't even know. Yeah. You're really

36:48

just taking this guy who was on the subway

36:50

in New York. You're taking his word

36:53

for the fact that the photos in this

36:55

big foot quality series

36:58

of picks is actually a pixel

37:00

fold. Like, what What am I even

37:02

looking at there? Is someone sitting -- Yeah. -- and

37:04

it's a screen that could be a screen on

37:06

anything. You're really going entirely

37:09

off of of this person

37:10

saying, I promise you it's the fold. It had

37:12

the the camera bar on the back. Yeah.

37:16

It's so secret. I could only show a

37:18

very very blurry partial

37:21

I mean, he explains that, like, he was on

37:23

the subway. He didn't wanna get busted, taken

37:25

a photo. So, you

37:26

know, but III don't

37:28

know. Yeah. I

37:30

mean now in in that person's

37:33

defense, I have been in

37:35

that person's defense. I've been in that situation

37:37

where I have been riding on a train because,

37:40

you know, Chicago is the home of Motorola

37:42

headquarters. And I've been riding on the train

37:44

with Motorola employees using

37:47

phones that weren't necessarily out

37:49

in the public. And I have tried to

37:51

sneak pictures of them, and they have mostly

37:54

come out looking like that, which is why I

37:56

stopped trying. But,

37:58

I mean, yeah, you're there's not

38:00

a lot here. I mean, the first three

38:02

pictures are nothing. I

38:04

mean, that could be, like,

38:06

he could be pulling out a Valentine's Day card for

38:08

all we

38:09

know. The last one is Yeah. That

38:11

could be a candy bar phone. Yeah. I

38:13

mean, Yeah. If I'm if I'm this person

38:15

and I snapped all these photos, I don't even

38:17

consider sharing those those photos, to be honest.

38:20

It's maybe the one with a full screen. And even

38:22

then, it's like it's still just looks like any other

38:24

phone? How do I, as a viewer, actually,

38:26

look at that and go, oh yeah,

38:28

that really could be the fold other than

38:30

what he's

38:31

saying? And You

38:31

know, you know, they say you could

38:33

have seen him

38:35

pull it out and, like, right over. Oh, totally.

38:38

I I'm sure you saw something that convinced

38:40

me to

38:40

start. Didn't happen, bro. Yeah.

38:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What were you gonna say, Michelle? But going

38:43

back to what you said, like, at the start of the show, you

38:45

know, how do you guys feel about leaks I think this

38:47

is one kind of leak that, you know,

38:50

Google PR is probably, like, you

38:52

know, like -- Yeah. -- something they don't want three No.

38:54

They don't worry about this one. This leak, does

38:56

it reveals absolutely nothing

38:59

about the phone at

39:00

all. Oh, but but how many articles have been written?

39:02

I know. And we're talking about it. I saw how

39:04

many times.

39:05

His hands. Their secret 7a there. Yeah.

39:07

That's true. His body language

39:09

says that this is a pixel phone. That's what

39:11

7a thinks. You

39:14

might have a point. I mean, I'm not saying that it

39:16

isn't. I'm just saying, I

39:18

I gotta walk out on a ledge to believe that

39:20

it is because the the pictures are

39:22

giving me nothing. Yeah.

39:25

At least when I get 2 my head, no bet.

39:28

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was another

39:30

leak on windfuture dot DE

39:33

translated I translated it

39:35

using Chrome's handy feature from

39:37

German to English to really understand at

39:39

all what it

39:40

said. But sources

39:42

there saying that the pixel fold will

39:44

release beginning of

39:45

the use. TWiT accept. Yes.

39:49

Yeah. You

39:50

gotta accept it. You're only signing your life away.

39:52

Okay.

39:52

This one looks like it's not money. So they are That's

39:55

what does. Be fair. They are

39:56

German terms of service. So you really don't know

39:58

what you're giving. Don't know what you're getting. You

40:01

need to read the terms of service and the language

40:03

they were written nine. Pixel

40:06

fold releasing beginning of June, as

40:08

well as seven a, which we already

40:10

talked about. I mean, all of this seems

40:12

to be pointing to the possibility once

40:14

again. And again, if I feel like a broken record

40:16

because I think every year around Google io, we're

40:18

talk we're having the same conversation. Are

40:21

we gonna see these phones at Google io?

40:23

These leagues seem to think that we are,

40:26

but who the heck knows? Half the time we do,

40:28

half the time we

40:29

don't. I

40:31

mean, I would love to see a foldable

40:33

Google phone just because at

40:35

the moment and we'll talk about this in

40:37

just a little bit but, you know, Android on

40:39

a foldable device is still a little

40:42

sketch in some ways. So, I mean, I would

40:44

I would like to think that Google is gonna start

40:46

like, super optimizing this and not

40:48

to mention from the 7a that we've

40:50

seen. These look like they're more

40:52

of the 7a squatter book style

40:55

Let's just go

40:56

find n, which I am

40:58

totally into

41:00

like the like What was it? The Surface Duo

41:02

was was it the Surface two?

41:03

Surface two o. Yeah.

41:04

Had the kinda slottie foldable approach.

41:09

Yeah. As opposed to the taller thinner

41:11

ones like the the the fold and

41:13

the upcoming phone that we're gonna talk

41:15

about. I But yeah. So I'm

41:18

I'm I'm into it if they're doing that. That's

41:20

what we call that's what we call that in the

41:21

biz. Yeah. It's tease. I think it's gonna be

41:23

a huge missed opportunity if Google doesn't

41:25

say anything about this device at IO because

41:28

there are a lot of developers, you know, who Google

41:30

is trying to point out to, telling them you gotta

41:32

optimize your apps for sort of the 7a,

41:34

you know, do 7a, make your apps look

41:36

better on big screen devices. And

41:39

a lot of those developers don't really pay attention

41:41

to the hardware launches outside

41:43

of, you know, these big tech conferences. So if

41:45

you wanna reach out to those people and

41:48

market the pixel

41:49

fold, you know, have your cake needed

41:51

to you gotta do it at IO. Yeah.

41:55

And so so we aren't gonna

41:57

have to wait too long to to find that

41:59

out. I being relatively round

42:02

the corner a couple of months away. Yeah.

42:05

And but but I do find it

42:08

a little strange. Like, this leak is

42:10

saying, you know, some sort of a release

42:12

in June along with

42:14

seven a. The a series

42:17

has a history of coming out in the

42:19

summer summertime at some

42:21

point following Google io ish time

42:23

frame. Google going

42:25

into a brand new product kind of category

42:27

of their mobile division and don't

42:31

know. It just seems like something that, like,

42:33

Historically speaking, Google's major devices,

42:35

they have they have announced and released at

42:37

their October event. Or maybe maybe

42:40

they show it off at Google io, but they don't

42:42

release until the October

42:44

time frame. Unless they're changing their

42:46

their kind of rule book with this,

42:48

it just seems kinda strange that Google would be like,

42:50

ah, here's this you know, much

42:53

rumored sought

42:55

after device, and we're just gonna release

42:57

it in June. Yeah. Sure. Why not? Did you see

42:59

Google io? Because if you did, then that's our profile

43:01

for

43:01

it. I I don't know. Maybe. I mean,

43:04

they did the same thing for the Pixel Watch.

43:06

Was the Pixel Watch was 7a, and that

43:08

was, I mean, fairly major

43:11

a a fairly anticipated device that

43:13

we have

43:13

been waiting years for.

43:15

Okay. So it's not completely crazy,

43:17

but FoldPixel the the a series of

43:19

the one has yet to come out before, like,

43:22

mid June mid July 7a.

43:24

So, like, a lot of the speculation. You know,

43:26

last year, there was a lot of speculation. The six a's

43:28

company at Google I o. Yeah. was announced, but

43:30

we still didn't get it until the end of July.

43:33

Yeah. So, yeah, there's there's there's

43:35

still time, but I would be very

43:37

surprised if we did not see some kind of announcement

43:40

at Google io because, honestly, I think -- Oh. -- that

43:42

did pretty well for Google. You know, they dropped

43:44

everything at Google io last year and everyone

43:46

was

43:47

like, hey, this is great. Let's do this

43:49

more. And so, you know, it happened.

43:51

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It

43:53

seems to be working okay for them. So

43:57

excellent. We'll look forward to that. 7a

43:59

thing we possibly see at Google io

44:01

is eight.

44:04

And the eight pros is, of course, further

44:06

down the pipeline, what I'm talking about. You know,

44:08

October ish time frame for hardware. The

44:11

major flagship pixels usually

44:13

launch or usually, you know,

44:15

released with a an event

44:17

that happens, you know, around that time in the

44:19

October time frame. Well -- Yeah.

44:22

-- smart is it smart price or

44:24

smart? Picks dot com

44:28

has I do not know where that name came from,

44:30

but it's hilarious. Do you know how I feel about that

44:32

name? Anyways, in a partnership

44:34

with Onleaks has full

44:37

renders of this unannounced device

44:39

7a not surprising anyone. They

44:41

look very familiar if you are

44:43

familiar with the design language of seven

44:45

or the Pixel six. Yeah.

44:48

There. was like, where are you parked on

44:50

the wrong screen, but I see you were just

44:52

pointing out the the strange name of this

44:54

site. The

44:56

device, however, will

44:59

at least according to these

45:01

leaks here. Redesigned

45:04

body with kind of like a more of a rounded

45:06

corners approach. As you can see here,

45:09

flat screen, which I am I am

45:11

there for. I love that. You can see

45:13

the camera bar encapsulating

45:15

or enclosing all of the lenses

45:17

except, there's an extra an additional

45:20

cutout below the flash that

45:22

doesn't exist on the

45:24

current Pixel seven pro. So

45:27

is that like a depth 7a?

45:29

Is it a macro lens?

45:32

Donut. Max

45:34

Weinbach speculates that it's lidar.

45:36

Although, like, I, you know, I don't know one

45:39

way or another what it actually is, but --

45:41

Uh-huh. That's what he says. Okay.

45:43

So maybe not a camera necessarily, but

45:46

some sort of a a sensor. So

45:50

wait minute. So if that's LiDAR, is that

45:52

a return to

45:54

pixel FoldPixel

45:57

had? What was it called? Eyes

45:59

my brain farting on

46:00

Slowly. Slowly. There we go.

46:02

Is this a return of 2 solely?

46:04

Return of solely. That

46:06

has only a Yeah. Like,

46:08

facing the user.

46:09

Yeah. So And I I'm

46:11

not exactly sure what this

46:14

potential 7a sensor on the back would be used

46:16

for at this

46:17

moment. Yeah. It's little tiny

46:18

7a print sensor. All the way

46:20

up there. Oh, please don't do that, Google. And

46:22

then someone also don't don't put your fingerprint

46:25

sensors, like, to be confused with

46:27

the the 7a. Like, the There

46:29

was a phone nod. However many years ago

46:31

that did that where it was was a Samsung phone

46:34

and it had, like, a camera and then it had the

46:36

fingerprint sensor. And, you know, people,

46:38

myself included, were always putting their finger on

46:40

the lens and then in the lens, thinking that it was

46:42

a fingerprint sensor. Don't do that, Google. That

46:45

would be a weird place for a for

46:47

a fingerprint

46:48

sensor. But, hey, who you

46:50

think

46:50

the IR blaster. There you go.

46:52

There we go. Yeah. You got a

46:54

remote. But those things only ever

46:57

get released overseas. They never get released in

46:59

the US. It seems like Sony

47:01

has done that for years where they have their phones

47:03

if you get it overseas, you have that IR blaster

47:05

and then it would so lag us, not

47:08

so much. So there we go.

47:10

That's our look ahead at

47:12

the potential AKA

47:15

rumored announcements

47:17

that we might see at Google io here in a couple

47:19

of months. And a little bit of information

47:22

to back it up. Let's get into some

47:24

things that actually exist like

47:26

when you talked about just the moments ago, the

47:28

Pixel Watch. Google's

47:31

wearables, not just Pixel Watch, but,

47:33

you know, the Pixel Watch, Fitbit,

47:36

all those devices apparently took

47:38

second in the wearables market

47:40

according to Canvas, which

47:43

did a report that says Google shipped eight hundred

47:45

and eighty thousand watches in q four

47:48

twenty twenty two. That's first three months

47:50

on the market. Google

47:52

sits at eight percent of total shipment

47:54

volume in front

47:56

so beating Samsung's five point nine

47:59

percent share, which gotta say

48:01

I was kinda surprised by that. But I guess Fitbit

48:03

in the mix, it does kinda change the equation.

48:06

And then Apple, of course, dominating with

48:08

twenty eight percent of the wearable's

48:11

shipment shipments. And

48:15

yeah. So that's Google's Wearables.

48:18

Any any surprises here? I think I was

48:20

a little surprised. Like I said, I was I'm very

48:22

7a.

48:23

Yeah. Like, the the Pixel watch

48:25

was not inexpensive and

48:27

-- Yeah. -- I mean, honestly, I I

48:29

wrote an entire feature about how the battery life

48:31

is terrible. So, like, I

48:33

just I I'm when

48:35

they say Google shipped them, I wanna know where they

48:37

shipped

48:38

them. Because

48:39

where are you shipping those watches? Ten of I'm

48:41

kinda thinking, like, Indiana Jones' Warehouse kind

48:43

of kind of a situation going on there,

48:46

but I just I I'm I'm blown

48:48

away by Because, like, the only people that

48:50

I've ever seen wearing a pixel watch are,

48:52

like, other tech journalists. Yeah. But

48:55

so, like, I I never see them in the wild,

48:57

and so I'm just I'm fascinated to

48:59

know where who's buying these things?

49:01

Yeah. Does it surprise you, Michelle,

49:03

or is this kind of in line with with

49:05

what you're thinking as far as you would I

49:07

also just kinda remind her and keep in

49:09

mind, it's not just Watch. Right? Google

49:11

also -- Yes. --

49:12

Fitbit. That's kind

49:13

of the Well, it says Pixel Watch units,

49:15

though. Yeah. It's No. If

49:17

you read into the report, people lot of the

49:20

articles are attributing people's

49:22

ability to to keep second place in the market

49:25

to the Pixel watch. But the reality

49:27

is the vast majority of those sales are still from

49:29

Fitbit devices. But I don't

49:31

know if you've been following, like, I'm not much of a Fitbit user

49:33

or Fitbit fan, but there's been a lot of

49:35

headlines in recent weeks about, like,

49:38

some negativity surrounding, like,

49:40

Fitbit features, Fitbit community kind

49:42

of being upset. So I'm I'm

49:44

curious to see, like, if Google can rectify

49:47

that and also grow, you

49:49

know, sales of the Pixel Watch and potentially

49:51

other wearable devices in the future

49:53

because, you know, they they have to balance, you know,

49:56

keeping Fitbit as brand healthy and,

49:58

you know, growing and also

50:00

this new pixel watch lineup.

50:02

Yeah. Absolutely. They're kind of like they

50:04

they gotta and and they've they've gotta

50:06

keep traditional Fitbit

50:09

users happy. And you're right. It

50:11

looks like they're having hard time doing

50:13

that. 7a has an article, you know, what's

50:15

going on with Fitbit and,

50:17

you know, saying, what is what

50:19

do they say? Server outages, nerfed

50:23

products as they put at Google Sun setting, their

50:25

favorite social 7a, gotta

50:28

keep the Fitbit users happy to keep them on

50:30

board. And they

50:32

also have their, you know, their

50:34

their desire to to make the Pixel watch

50:37

as successful as

50:38

possible. But, I mean Well,

50:41

2 mentioned, like, the Fitbits in general, they

50:43

were there were several models four

50:45

or five months ago that 7a, like, actually, burning

50:47

people. And so they had, like, massive recalls

50:50

as well. So, I mean, Fitbit 7a

50:52

is not doing particularly well

50:55

for Google. So I don't know. Maybe people

50:57

are jumping ship from Fitbit

50:59

and going to Pixel watches because they

51:01

want the Fitbit stuff, but not the Fitbit

51:03

brand. I don't know, but I'm

51:05

I'm I gotta know who's buying these

51:07

things.

51:07

Yeah. So

51:08

down down below. That's what we say in 2.

51:12

Right. Except

51:14

we have comments disabled on YouTube. So sorry.

51:18

Wow. Wow. As

51:20

Finally, if you have the Pixel Budd's Pro,

51:23

you are getting spatial audio

51:25

support and the latest update

51:27

rolling out now. Quote, audio

51:30

changes as you move your head

51:32

to sound more natural. This

51:35

is a feature that I just really

51:37

care very little about, to be honest.

51:39

And I have the Pixel buds Pro. And

51:42

and I don't know that there are an insane

51:44

amount of apps and services that are supporting

51:46

this on android. But I realize you gotta,

51:48

you know, do what Kim's first, the chicken

51:50

or the eggs, and now we've got the support for it.

51:53

Maybe that'll happen. But if

51:56

you care about spatial audio, just

51:58

look for the spatial audio menu in

52:01

the app. For your PixelBuds

52:03

Pro or in the settings anyways. And

52:05

there's a little toggle and you can turn on. And apparently,

52:07

they also have little example like a

52:10

like a demo of it so you can kinda see what

52:12

it's all about. But I have not

52:14

caught the spatial audio bug. I

52:16

don't know about 2, but it's just

52:18

not something that's that appealing to me. It's

52:20

it's massive to me of these,

52:22

like, dynamic like,

52:24

we we make the the

52:27

music sound better by enhancing

52:30

the stereo field. And I guess I'm just, like,

52:33

I'm I'm audio. I'm not, like, total,

52:35

like, crazy audio purist. But

52:37

I'm audio enough to

52:39

not want extra, like, processing

52:42

in the way. I I wanna

52:44

hear it the way it was presented, like, the way

52:46

it was meant to be presented

52:48

anyway. So so I guess it just doesn't

52:50

appeal to me for that reason, but Yeah.

52:53

I tested a I tested set of soundcore

52:55

earbuds. The Liberty Fours

52:57

a few couple months back, and they

52:59

had spatial audio built in. And

53:01

I had a hard time finding a service that

53:04

supported TWiT, and I'm not trying 2, like, I'm

53:06

not trying to dunk on spatial audio. It's,

53:08

you know, from what I've heard, it's pretty cool, but

53:10

I was just personally having trouble finding

53:13

like you said, it's a chicken and egg problem. So,

53:15

you know, more buds have to support

53:18

it before more services will support Or

53:21

vice versa, I guess. Yeah.

53:23

So but I mean, for what it's worth,

53:25

you know, if you're into it, cool. I mean, it's

53:27

it's a new feature that Pixel Buds Pro didn't

53:29

have. So, yeah, that's a that's a

53:31

good

53:32

thing. And it's a feature that

53:35

hate to say it. The the iPhones and,

53:37

you

53:38

know, the AirPods have. And, you know,

53:40

again, it goes back 2, okay. It doesn't

53:41

work for them either. No. It doesn't.

53:44

I don't know. I'm just kidding. Yeah.

53:46

Jason, spatial audio and VR goggles

53:49

would be good.

53:49

Spatial audio, what what? Like if you could use

53:52

them with your gear with your

53:54

VR goggles

53:55

that don't already have that -- Yeah. -- like, that's really

53:57

the only thing. I get the the one Yeah. So,

54:00

like, when I think of VR. My VR goggles,

54:02

which by the way, I have not used in months at

54:04

this point. I kinda hit my critical

54:06

mass on those things. But I

54:10

mean, they they already kinda have that. Like, it's

54:12

it's baked into the system. So maybe

54:14

there -- Right. -- it makes sense. Yes. There's

54:16

a reason for In other words, like, okay.

54:19

When I look at that bad guy that's shooting me over

54:21

there, I I do expect the sound

54:23

to kind of follow with me or when I'm looking

54:25

over here and there over there, you

54:27

know, like I expect that. But when I'm listening

54:29

to a band or an album, especially

54:32

an album that I'm used to, like,

54:34

what good does it give me to, like,

54:37

move my head around and, I don't know,

54:39

I'm a compudge and get off my lawn.

54:41

Oh, you're right. So

54:45

but I also you know what? To be fair,

54:47

I need to actually spend some time with it and

54:49

make an informed educated

54:52

decision on it. Not be like, I don't

54:54

think I'd like that. And I will. I

54:56

have the the the pro

54:59

earbuds, so I will check it out

55:01

I will listen and I'll report back

55:04

on that. And we'll see how it

55:06

goes. Alright. That was our pixel

55:09

segment coming up. We've got

55:11

Actually, Adam has a review

55:13

of a foldable that we have not had on

55:15

the show before, the Honor Magic v

55:18

s or or is it

55:20

versus I don't

55:21

know. Pretty

55:22

sure it's v s, and I'm not sure why. Okay.

55:25

They had to know there would be confusion there.

55:27

Anyways, Adam's gonna

55:30

give us a a review of that. He'd actually

55:32

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55:34

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55:36

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We don't need the hardware bumper. You can

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With your review of the 7a

59:58

Magic VS5G.

1:00:03

Alright. Well, I need Skippy the review cam

1:00:06

to to make it appearance. Skippy.

1:00:08

So I don't

1:00:09

know. I don't know if 7a is doing that. So

1:00:11

Could you come in, please? Okay.

1:00:13

Well, this is the 7a

1:00:16

magic VS5G. Don't

1:00:18

forget the five g because it's two thousand twenty

1:00:20

three and you just never know. Anyway,

1:00:23

so this is a, you know,

1:00:25

a book style foldable just like the,

1:00:27

you know, another phone that

1:00:29

we're probably all fairly familiar That's

1:00:31

in its fourth generation already. But

1:00:33

one of the, like, the halo features

1:00:36

of this particular phone is that there

1:00:39

is no gap

1:00:41

whatsoever in that hinge. Like,

1:00:43

I have the Samsung Galaxy

1:00:46

flip four here, and you can see it actually.

1:00:48

It should probably take case off. But

1:00:51

you can see that there is a a

1:00:53

fairly substantial gap in

1:00:55

between

1:00:58

the for the for the

1:01:00

galaxy flip, you know, you can you can shove a

1:01:02

couple pieces of paper in there. Yeah. Tier

1:01:04

nothing there. There's nothing there. It's a We're

1:01:06

seeing we're seeing more fold tools that aren't

1:01:08

Samsung do the no teardrop

1:01:10

thing. So I'm wondering if Samsung's

1:01:12

ever gonna go that route. Yeah. I

1:01:15

gotta think. I gotta think. And then on the other

1:01:17

side, we have a very nice,

1:01:20

very nice backplate

1:01:21

here. Is that

1:01:25

A TWiT went this guy. Yeah. It looks

1:01:27

like a switch on the video clashes. I was

1:01:29

like, boy, is that like a privacy switch or

1:01:31

something? No. No. Unfortunately,

1:01:33

no. That's a flashes. And we have really subtle branding

1:01:35

down at the bottom here. It's a really nice finish.

1:01:37

It's a very light blue. I don't know if that's translating

1:01:40

through and it's kind of little reflective

1:01:42

and yeah. So, I mean, I

1:01:44

dig nice big camera

1:01:47

bump on the back here with three

1:01:49

cameras back here, which is a I'm

1:01:51

gonna try to remember this off the top of

1:01:54

my head. It's a fifty four megapixel main

1:01:57

main camera fifty megapixel

1:01:59

ultra wide and then eight megapixel

1:02:02

three x optical zoom telephoto

1:02:05

lens. But anyway, And then when you

1:02:07

open it up, that's when you get the that's when you get

1:02:09

the good show 7a sensor on the side

1:02:11

in the power button. And

1:02:14

there I mean, that I mean, that there

1:02:16

you go. That's that's this is a seven

1:02:18

point nine inch screen.

1:02:20

There is a crease. 7a says there's

1:02:23

no crease, but if I turn off the

1:02:25

phone, yeah, you can kinda see that there's a

1:02:27

crease there. It's not a big deal. Like

1:02:30

all foldables, yeah, there's a crease. No.

1:02:32

You won't care. Now one

1:02:35

of the kind of downsides about

1:02:37

this phone, and in fairness, this

1:02:39

is only the second generation on Thus

1:02:42

far, they have the the honor the

1:02:45

honor v, and then this is the honor p s.

1:02:48

When you when you have

1:02:50

the phone on and and,

1:02:52

you know, you've got your five

1:02:54

by six grid of icons here. When you

1:02:56

open it up, it's the exact

1:02:58

same thing. So, like,

1:03:01

there's no real extra

1:03:03

use of space here. Like, I would like

1:03:05

to see you know, maybe the same

1:03:07

grid of icons over here. And then over here,

1:03:09

like you just have more space, maybe

1:03:11

you have widgets or something like that over here. But

1:03:13

it's the it's the exact same thing. And

1:03:16

I've got a set so it turns off when

1:03:18

when you close it. So it's the exact same

1:03:20

thing here as it is

1:03:21

here. I would have liked to see

1:03:23

a little bit more. But, you know, That's

1:03:25

me. Is that different on the

1:03:27

pixel fold? Or sorry. Not the pixel fold. The

1:03:30

z fold? On the z you go

1:03:32

for because, I mean and I realized TWiT it's

1:03:34

kinda different because the z fold front

1:03:36

screen is like this tiny little

1:03:38

narrow

1:03:39

thing. It's gotten better over eight years. But

1:03:41

No. This looks like more of a

1:03:43

phone.

1:03:43

Narrow too. Yeah. I mean, it's narrow ish,

1:03:46

but it looks way more like a phone. Like, if I was

1:03:48

to see a phone that was that you

1:03:50

know, that that ratio, I'd

1:03:53

be far less, like, puzzled

1:03:55

by it than I would be a 7a on

1:03:57

a full

1:03:58

company. Here's

1:03:58

the Google Here's the Google Pixel seven

1:04:01

7a -- Okay. -- next to it. So you can see it's

1:04:03

a little bit wider and actually I've got the

1:04:05

happy to happy the 7a here that I

1:04:07

could

1:04:08

measure before. Yeah. Best out the caliper,

1:04:11

please. Yeah. Ed,

1:04:14

you asked. Alright. Here we go. So

1:04:16

let's see. I don't

1:04:17

know that we've ever had a live 7a on the

1:04:19

show. So This

1:04:20

is the Caliper cam right

1:04:21

here. Thank you. Caliper 7a. This is this

1:04:24

is a sixty three point two

1:04:27

millimeters and this guy is

1:04:29

sixty seven point five millimeters.

1:04:31

Now, of course, that's going Edge to edge. It's

1:04:33

not sound. Right. Edge to screen to edge of

1:04:35

screen. But anyway, I always

1:04:37

have a hand 7a handy because you never know

1:04:39

when you might need one. One

1:04:41

of the cool things that I like about the

1:04:43

software is I I don't know if you

1:04:45

saw it

1:04:46

before, but you can actually enlarger

1:04:49

folders so

1:04:50

that

1:04:51

they actually become kind of actionable.

1:04:53

So you That's cool. Like that.

1:04:56

Yeah. And so, I mean, it takes up

1:04:58

two different two different spots vertically

1:05:00

and horizontally, but, you know, each of

1:05:02

these icons is clickable so that you

1:05:04

can do that. And I

1:05:07

wanna say, there's no way to

1:05:09

move through the folder, which, you know, kind

1:05:11

of a kind of a bummer. But that's alright. I

1:05:13

mean, it's it's one of cool things that I kinda

1:05:15

like about As long as you're using, you

1:05:18

know, the extra space. When

1:05:20

you open up the phone, I'm just

1:05:22

gonna launch anything here. Hey, there's

1:05:25

my DHL shipment. Let's close that.

1:05:28

Yeah. I don't I don't have any I

1:05:30

don't have any porn tabs open. Now.

1:05:32

But anyway, so we're okay there. Yeah.

1:05:35

So when you have when you have the screen

1:05:37

open like this, you can actually drag in from the side

1:05:39

like a back 7a. But if you hold it,

1:05:41

then you get that sidebar where you can open

1:05:43

up like a second a second

1:05:46

window. And so if you open

1:05:48

up the Kindle, then it opens up in a floating

1:05:50

window. And then up

1:05:52

at the top there, if you tap, there's like

1:05:54

little bar up here. I don't know if you can

1:05:56

see that, but if you tap that, then you get your

1:05:59

various multi multitasking options. You can either

1:06:01

leave it as a floating window. You can minimize TWiT,

1:06:03

which fits it over as an icon over here.

1:06:06

Or you can make it just go

1:06:08

to one side. Or

1:06:10

you can actually do

1:06:13

the whole it's not gonna work

1:06:15

now, is it? See. And this is This is part

1:06:17

of the software issue that I was talking

1:06:19

about. I think 7a has a

1:06:21

little bit more work to do in order to

1:06:23

get the software where

1:06:25

it's where it's rocking.

1:06:27

But even if you have a full screen window like that,

1:06:30

you can push that off to the side and it gives

1:06:32

you, like, an app list so you can choose what

1:06:34

else you want open, but then you can make it

1:06:37

full screen again. You know, one of the things

1:06:39

that I really liked about this, and this is so

1:06:41

stupid in first world probably. But

1:06:44

what I would often do was when

1:06:46

I would go to, like, target, when I would go to my local

1:06:48

target to do, like, a pick up a shopping 7a,

1:06:50

they make you pull up this code and, like,

1:06:52

show them the code for you. So what I'll

1:06:54

do is I'll have that open over on

1:06:56

this side and I will sit there and

1:06:59

read while I'm waiting for them

1:07:01

to bring out my stuff. And

1:07:03

then, you know, when they actually

1:07:05

do come out, then I can show up I can hold up the

1:07:07

code and I don't have to be like, oh, wait. Let me flip

1:07:09

through all my various windows and Right. --

1:07:11

and find that. So, I mean, like, I'm a

1:07:14

I'm a forty six year old dude in the suburbs.

1:07:16

What else do you want me to do with this thing? But

1:07:18

I mean, it's really nice, like, some apps

1:07:20

that are particularly suited for this kind

1:07:22

of screen, like the New York Times

1:07:25

7a puzzle, which I completed,

1:07:27

I'm just saying. But there's

1:07:29

a couple of other games that you can do, like,

1:07:32

not words actually looks really good

1:07:34

on a larger screen like that. You

1:07:36

know, kindle is always a good standby

1:07:39

where, you know, you get especially when you get

1:07:41

the the page 7a effects. And

1:07:43

so, like, this that completely replaces

1:07:46

a a normal kindle if if you

1:07:49

if you want to. So I've read so many

1:07:51

books with with this going on.

1:07:54

But yeah, I mean, it's I

1:07:56

I definitely like the

1:07:58

oh, you know what? I had my iPad Mini down

1:08:00

here before because I was gonna show you, like,

1:08:02

a size comparison of this to the iPad

1:08:05

Mini, but the iPad mini is back upstairs.

1:08:07

The iPad mini is the only tablet that

1:08:09

I use. I don't

1:08:12

have, like, a full side I mean, I have a full size

1:08:14

iPad, but I never use it because the iPad mini

1:08:16

is big enough for me. And the iPad mini

1:08:19

is maybe like that. I

1:08:21

mean, it's not that much 7a.

1:08:23

So this is a fairly

1:08:25

expansive place

1:08:28

to work, which is cool. I

1:08:32

7a, I wanna see the more

1:08:35

squat version like we were talking about before

1:08:37

with the with the find n two

1:08:39

or, you know, the the Google the Pixel FoldPixel

1:08:42

it's like that, just because I think the

1:08:45

home screen will be a little bit

1:08:48

wider and have a little bit more real

1:08:50

estate to play with. Mhmm. I

1:08:53

find myself typoing a lot on this,

1:08:55

and I think it's just because my hands aren't

1:08:57

used to holding that much thickness.

1:08:59

Mhmm. When I'm doing the thumb thing, like,

1:09:02

side to side, it's fine, but I just think that

1:09:04

my my muscle memory is just little bit

1:09:06

off because I'm holding a thicker phone, especially

1:09:09

because I always put a case on it,

1:09:11

and this is a case that came with the 7a.

1:09:14

DS. So it just kind of protects

1:09:16

it a little bit more and makes it a little bit more grippy,

1:09:19

which I like. So I

1:09:21

think that might be part of But,

1:09:25

like, overall, this is a very

1:09:27

a very a very good phone and

1:09:29

I, you know, I dig it. I

1:09:31

wanted to see if I could flip through some photo

1:09:34

samples here for you. Here's Here's

1:09:36

a selfie. One thing that

1:09:38

I noticed, this is AAA

1:09:40

photograph of my friend's house. Like, this

1:09:42

is the ultra wide 7a, and that's the main

1:09:44

7a, and you can see there is a very distinct

1:09:47

color difference in, like, the concrete

1:09:49

here. So they need to do little bit

1:09:51

more color 2. In terms

1:09:53

of the in terms

1:09:55

of the the

1:09:58

the the the the 7a, the software,

1:10:00

This is a photograph of my son. He has

1:10:02

paid talent, so we can put his image

1:10:05

on the 7a. It's okay. And

1:10:07

when you zoom in, you know, it actually

1:10:09

does pretty decent job around the hairline

1:10:11

for this is a portrait shot. So

1:10:13

you can see, like, around the hairline, there's

1:10:16

not like a lot of wispies that are getting cut

1:10:18

off, but I think it actually is overcompensating a

1:10:20

little bit and actually cutting into

1:10:22

his hair lines little

1:10:23

bit. Yeah. I mean, over over this screen

1:10:25

over the stream. It looks really kind of

1:10:27

like digitally etched. You know what I mean?

1:10:30

Yeah. Which, I mean, I

1:10:32

actually kinda prefer that rather than

1:10:34

you know, leaving a little bit of space around

1:10:36

the edge of the head. Like, some, like,

1:10:38

some of 7a fans. Cameras will do. Yeah.

1:10:40

It is. Let's see. That's

1:10:42

like a ten x shot of a zebra head.

1:10:45

And just for context, that's how far away

1:10:47

I was when I shot it. So Zoom

1:10:50

is actually pretty decent. Like Zoom is really

1:10:52

solid up to up to three x. Once

1:10:55

you go beyond that, things get a little -- --

1:10:57

have soft. Bye, blurry. I mean,

1:10:59

I'll I'll tell, it's not bad.

1:11:01

Oh, shoot. I just lost all my photos again. Never

1:11:04

mind. So, like, The

1:11:07

the one of the biggest sticking

1:11:09

points on this 7a 7a

1:11:12

is this is priced

1:11:14

at fifteen ninety nine

1:11:16

euro, not a US release, so it's only

1:11:18

gonna be in, you know, Europe and other

1:11:20

markets. It's price of fifteen

1:11:22

ninety nine euro, which translates

1:11:25

roughly to about, I

1:11:27

wanna say, eighteen and a

1:11:29

half, nineteen hundred dollars, something like that.

1:11:31

Today, it translates to seventeen

1:11:34

sixteen, one thousand seven hundred sixteen.

1:11:36

But still but still I mean, the when

1:11:38

I think of honor and the

1:11:40

the few honor devices that I've had over

1:11:42

the years, III put

1:11:44

them in that kind of that bracket

1:11:46

or that camp of kind

1:11:49

of quality quality design

1:11:52

and everything, but budget you know,

1:11:54

but less expensive. Kinda

1:11:56

in that -- Yeah. -- kinda Chinese phone kinda,

1:11:59

you know, bucket where

1:12:01

you get it, you you pay less you

1:12:03

get a little bit more, but it's not

1:12:05

7a. You know, some of the edges are are a little

1:12:08

rough. Right. And and

1:12:10

so I'm kinda surprised that that even

1:12:12

them doing a foldable that they aren't coming in

1:12:14

at least a a couple hundred

1:12:15

dollars, you know, less than that. Because

1:12:17

seventeen hundred dollars, that's pretty standard for foldables

1:12:20

of this size. I mean Exactly. Exactly.

1:12:22

There's a couple of the test notes, and

1:12:24

then we can move on. The

1:12:27

hinge is a lot 7a

1:12:29

than the than the

1:12:32

competitor that they're going up

1:12:33

against, who's -- I do. -- shall not be spoken. What's

1:12:36

exactly what I was gonna ask you about

1:12:38

the hinge because Yeah. So it's

1:12:40

one thing that the z fold seems

1:12:42

to have going for it

1:12:43

is, like, the hinges have actually

1:12:45

able to hold it up in, like, a table top stage.

1:12:47

Yeah. And they've got four generations of design

1:12:49

around that hinge. The first gen was

1:12:51

not good. You know, there were

1:12:53

issues, you know. So Yeah. Samsung's had a

1:12:55

lot of time really hone this in. So

1:12:57

you said you're saying that you There's no wireless

1:12:59

charging. I'm

1:13:01

sorry.

1:13:03

What was the issue? If I could the hinge, like, how

1:13:05

would you describe the hinge? Like, does it just

1:13:07

flop back to its, like,

1:13:09

you know, unfolded put or folded or

1:13:11

unfolded position if you don't like if you just

1:13:14

look at it wrong. Not

1:13:16

all the way. No. Like, So, I mean, if it's

1:13:18

if it's open, it's great. If it's closed,

1:13:20

it's great. It's when you're in the halfway zone.

1:13:22

Like, if you don't close it

1:13:24

all the way, it can kinda pop back I'm

1:13:26

trying to demonstrate, and it's it's not doing

1:13:29

it. Now one thing 7a was

1:13:31

very proud of was the fact that they only put

1:13:33

I think they said there's only four parts

1:13:35

to this entire hinge mechanism, which is actually

1:13:37

kinda mind blowing when you really stop and think

1:13:39

about it. Yeah. But

1:13:41

I think at the same time, I think they lost

1:13:44

a little bit of that maneuverability

1:13:47

when there because, like, I don't know if you could

1:13:49

see it, but, like, when I move this, it kinda moves

1:13:51

back a little bit. Like, I move it like this and it kinda

1:13:54

cuts back a little TWiT. And so,

1:13:56

like, it's not as stiff

1:13:58

as I would like to see, especially, like, on

1:14:00

the, you know, the foot four. I can put this anywhere

1:14:03

I want, and it's gonna stay there. No

1:14:04

problem. And and once you do that,

1:14:07

once you have one of those foldables and you

1:14:09

do that, it kind of it's kind

1:14:11

of a necessity. Like, I would be

1:14:13

really -- Right. -- really bugged by

1:14:15

that, by what you're showing right

1:14:16

now. But then Yeah. I mean, I'm

1:14:19

not that bugged by it. I'm not triggered

1:14:21

by that as much. I'm I'm more bugged

1:14:23

by the fact that it doesn't have wireless charging. That's

1:14:25

kind of bummer to me. That's amazing.

1:14:27

That's also That's also something that I left

1:14:29

out of my slash gear

1:14:30

review. But I was already at three thousand words. What do you

1:14:32

want? You

1:14:34

got it in here. You got it in here.

1:14:36

I did. I did. So,

1:14:38

like, overall, it's

1:14:40

just it's a little bit too expensive, I

1:14:42

think, to make it an make it an instabuy,

1:14:44

especially since Samsung in some

1:14:47

in some areas is actually cheaper and

1:14:49

they're 2 7a two generations

1:14:51

farther into it. But

1:14:54

this does offer is

1:14:56

competition in that space. In

1:14:59

the space that doesn't have enough competition.

1:15:01

So I'm I'm here for it in that

1:15:03

regard. Mhmm. I just think Anna

1:15:05

needs to, you know, put it back in the oven,

1:15:08

let it cook for a little bit 7a. Then we'll

1:15:10

then we'll see where we are Oh,

1:15:12

one other test note. It's using a Snapdragon

1:15:14

eight plus Gen one 7a,

1:15:17

so it's it's from the latter half of

1:15:19

last year -- Yeah. -- it's not a Gen two.

1:15:22

So that's that's also something to

1:15:24

take into

1:15:25

consideration. Yeah. And when you're when you're,

1:15:27

you know, at which if

1:15:29

7a was bringing this foldable to market and

1:15:31

it was, you know, two to three hundred dollars less

1:15:33

than this kind of the competitors, things

1:15:35

like that make make more

1:15:37

sense. That's acceptable.

1:15:38

Yeah. A little more accept. A little easier to

1:15:40

swallow. Yeah. But

1:15:42

Yeah. Anyway, but yeah.

1:15:44

Overall, that's why That's the

1:15:46

7a digest version of my review. Go read

1:15:48

the whole thing at slash gear dot com.

1:15:50

There you go. Plug 7a

1:15:53

magic VS5G.

1:15:55

Thank you, Adam. Very

1:15:57

nice. Give it a seven out of ten.

1:16:01

It's

1:16:01

a solid seven. Seven out of ten,

1:16:03

that reminds me of of my junior

1:16:06

high grades. That was pretty standard for me,

1:16:08

to be honest. Anyways,

1:16:10

okay. So shifting gears

1:16:12

a little this last story before we

1:16:14

get into feedback. And

1:16:17

it just it just sounded so 7a, but

1:16:19

I I guess the more I kind of read into it,

1:16:21

the more I was like, okay. I guess I see what's going

1:16:23

on here. So maybe you heard about the whole

1:16:25

Samsung Saga, Samsung

1:16:28

faking moon shots. And,

1:16:30

you know, a couple years ago this happened. Right?

1:16:32

Like, I remember we may have even

1:16:34

had the

1:16:36

author of the input article

1:16:39

on

1:16:40

when he Right.

1:16:41

Ray? Yeah. Ray, when we when we when

1:16:43

he wrote about it, with the s twenty one Ultra.

1:16:45

But anyways, the idea was when

1:16:48

back then, when you held the s twenty one Ultra

1:16:50

up and you took a night shot of the moon,

1:16:53

With the amazing Samsung space

1:16:56

zoom, right, hundred x space zoom that

1:16:58

when you use it on anything, that

1:17:00

that you wanna see clearly. It's like,

1:17:02

it's amazing that it can extend

1:17:05

that far, but it's, by no

1:17:07

means, a usable photo. But Samsung

1:17:10

touted, you know, you you I mean, people

1:17:12

realized when you shot the moon even

1:17:15

though the moon was very far away, Obviously,

1:17:18

even though you're using space zoom which

1:17:20

brings it closer, somehow

1:17:22

those images ended up really clear and it was

1:17:24

like, okay, what's going on here? Obviously, this

1:17:26

camera is not picking up that much information.

1:17:30

Samsung at the time explained, well,

1:17:32

you know, It's the AI that offers,

1:17:35

they said, a detail enhancing

1:17:37

function by reducing blurs

1:17:39

and noises. That was kind of part

1:17:41

of their explanation. And,

1:17:44

you know, I mean, I don't know how much

1:17:46

that went that went to

1:17:48

convince other people. I kinda walked out

1:17:50

of that situation, walked out of I

1:17:53

I emerged from that situation just

1:17:55

kind of assuming that

1:17:57

Samsung was doing more than they were letting on

1:18:00

that that they were obviously doing

1:18:02

something to, like, bring an

1:18:04

image into the experience that,

1:18:06

you know, it's it's not merely, like, touching up

1:18:08

an image that exists. Like, it just looked far

1:18:10

too sharp for me to ever believe that they were

1:18:13

taking the information that was readily available

1:18:15

from that one photograph and

1:18:17

sharpening it and blah blah all that missing

1:18:19

information was there. Well, someone on Reddit

1:18:22

tried tried a a little set up

1:18:24

with the s twenty three ultra. This

1:18:26

is two years later. Right? This was just this last

1:18:28

week. The 7a created

1:18:30

a 7a created a blurry image

1:18:32

of the moon, displayed it on a

1:18:34

screen, and then photographed that

1:18:36

picture with the s twenty three

1:18:38

Ultra. So the photo began as

1:18:41

a blurry photo. There was never any sharp

1:18:43

information to begin with. Right? It was just

1:18:45

blurry. Took the the picture with

1:18:47

the s twenty three Ultra. The resulting

1:18:50

photo at the end of it

1:18:52

brought back all of the missing detail.

1:18:54

Is that the end photo?

1:18:57

That's the

1:18:58

No. I think it had the old starting photo. Oh,

1:19:00

okay. I was, like, starting. But that's not

1:19:02

what I was That's all the 7a. So

1:19:04

I wanna take that. Holy

1:19:05

cow. Yeah. Okay. So this was the

1:19:07

first photo. If you go next, I

1:19:10

think you'll see Well,

1:19:12

there's the next button. I think then yeah.

1:19:15

If you go then you'll see a piece of pizza.

1:19:17

No. Go back to the Yes. You see what I'm saying?

1:19:20

Yeah. I see. Go to the article because

1:19:22

the article or the there's

1:19:24

a 7a article that has a lot of this

1:19:26

stuff in it. But anyways, Point

1:19:29

being, it's okay. You can just come back to the

1:19:31

white. There we go. Okay.

1:19:33

So that's the resulting photo. But meanwhile,

1:19:36

the photo that started on

1:19:38

the display was very very 7a.

1:19:41

Like, he intentionally blurred it. So

1:19:43

there was no information, extra information

1:19:45

there. If if it was Samsung's,

1:19:48

you know, explanation, I think this is the video

1:19:50

of the actual process happening. That

1:19:52

that was it. So he he is

1:19:54

pointing the camera at the display that

1:19:56

has the blurry photo on it. He takes

1:19:59

the picture. It thinks

1:20:01

for a second and then it replaces

1:20:03

the image with this pretty

1:20:05

sharp looking considering, you

1:20:08

know, where it began. Photo

1:20:10

-- Right. -- if we were actually taking that

1:20:12

of a moon in the sky, it

1:20:15

might be believable that there

1:20:17

was some extra information there and

1:20:19

Samsung's AI was --

1:20:20

No. -- it totally looks like it's just replacing

1:20:22

it with a

1:20:23

photo that's almost the same size. Yeah.

1:20:25

Well, in the same angle, like it matches the

1:20:27

angle, which -- Yeah. -- I mean, is probably not that difficult

1:20:30

to do because the moon's always the same

1:20:31

place. Posing

1:20:32

a texture on it. On it. Yeah. So, yeah,

1:20:34

superimposing is what Huawei was

1:20:37

accused of a couple of years ago with their

1:20:39

own, you know, moon algorithm. But

1:20:41

what what, like, Samsung and themselves,

1:20:43

they did post, like, a post on to be

1:20:46

fair, on the Korean Samsung

1:20:48

forum. So a lot of people outside of Korea

1:20:50

probably hadn't seen that post until, you

1:20:52

know, this whole debacle. Mhmm.

1:20:55

So, basically, you know, what they said they were doing

1:20:58

is when there when you're seeing optimizer

1:21:00

feature is turned on in the camera settings, like,

1:21:02

it's recognizing that you're trying to

1:21:04

take a photo of the moon. And then

1:21:07

through a very complicated series of

1:21:09

algorithms, machine learning, etcetera, it's

1:21:12

basically, you know, something like super

1:21:14

resolution. You know, like, it's trying to

1:21:16

add detail or, like, enhance the

1:21:18

detail of what you're trying to take a photo of. Mhmm.

1:21:21

But basically, like, the whole controversy boils down

1:21:23

to, like, what exactly is

1:21:26

a photo? And, you know, I I think, like,

1:21:28

the Marquise Brownley video did a really good

1:21:30

job. Like like, talking

1:21:32

about are you actually

1:21:35

like, are are any of the photos you take actually

1:21:37

real? Right. Like, you know, if you were to take your a hundred

1:21:39

x zoom, Samsung camera and

1:21:41

pointed at a sign that's like, you

1:21:43

know, a hundred yards away. And,

1:21:46

you know, you can clearly see with your eye what

1:21:48

that sign should be saying. But

1:21:50

clearly optically, you know, even if you zoom in hundred

1:21:53

x, it still looks like a blurry

1:21:54

mess. But then after you take the photo, it's like

1:21:57

clearly sharpened up and something that's

1:21:59

legible.

1:21:59

There's Right. You believe or you don't

1:22:01

think you don't think it's faking the

1:22:03

photo. Right? Like, you know what you're trying

1:22:05

to see so that camera is producing something

1:22:08

that you think it should be showing

1:22:10

you. Yeah. And I think that's basically what's

1:22:12

happening here. Like, it knows you're trying

1:22:14

to take a photo of the moon the

1:22:16

moon is tidally locked to the 7a. So, like,

1:22:18

no matter where you're looking at it from, know, depending

1:22:21

on the phase, you're gonna have the

1:22:23

same direction of the moon facing you

1:22:25

And so the details that you expect

1:22:27

to be there, you know, you you would

1:22:29

expect to be there in a photo of the moon.

1:22:32

Right. So, like, is it really faking a

1:22:34

photo of the moon, is that a fake image? Like,

1:22:36

it's kind of blurry. I mean,

1:22:38

it's no pun intended.

1:22:40

Yeah. It's it's it blurs a lie between

1:22:42

what is a real photo and what is

1:22:44

not? Well, in the yeah. In this era

1:22:47

of computational photography, which we

1:22:49

are steeped in, you

1:22:50

know, I mean, it probably You

1:22:52

can't do it for anything other than the moon.

1:22:54

What's that? Can't do with things like this

1:22:57

to anything else other than the

1:22:58

moon? That's but that's a thing. It well,

1:23:01

but it does this kind of processing for

1:23:03

other photos in different ways. Right?

1:23:05

Like, obviously, the moon is

1:23:07

very specific example. For

1:23:10

for the reasons that you're talking about, Michelle, just

1:23:12

five minutes ago, you were showing your

1:23:14

son, Adam, and a photo

1:23:17

with with a fake blurred background. That

1:23:19

photo didn't exist like that when

1:23:21

you shot the camera shot the footage. But

1:23:23

yet, it did after the fact because there was

1:23:25

processing that got us there. And we've largely

1:23:28

accepted that. As

1:23:30

a 7a, as well as a viewer. Like, when

1:23:32

I view those photos, I'm not I'm

1:23:34

not sitting there thinking, oh, that wasn't

1:23:36

shot with a real DSLR. This is This

1:23:38

is fake. This is I am

1:23:40

offended. You know, like, I'm I'm like, okay.

1:23:42

Well, that was the artistic kind of thing.

1:23:44

But that's, like, removing detail and

1:23:46

not adding Are you making a slippery slow

1:23:48

argument there, Jason? Because it sounds like you're

1:23:51

making a slippery slow argument. What do

1:23:53

you mean? Well, what would you explain? What do you mean?

1:23:55

I mean, well so well,

1:23:57

so if if if natural if

1:23:59

if if if if fake bokeh is

1:24:02

acceptable, then the next

1:24:04

step beyond that is fake

1:24:06

bokeh around two subjects.

1:24:08

And then the next step beyond that detail is

1:24:11

is fakey is is

1:24:13

filling in the blanks on a sign that's

1:24:16

a hundred feet

1:24:16

away. And then the next step after that is

1:24:18

fake details on the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:20

Yeah. You know, fair enough.

1:24:21

You know, once Well, then blah blah blah.

1:24:23

That you have the fall of modern society.

1:24:25

And it's all because we it's all because

1:24:28

it's all even Samsung couldn't allow

1:24:30

you to take a blurry picture of the moon. Where

1:24:33

where would you draw the line then?

1:24:35

Or is there a line to be drawn for you?

1:24:37

No. I I say I'm I'm all for the

1:24:39

downfall of society. I say I

1:24:41

say go go chaos. Let's

1:24:43

let's do this. No. No. I mean,

1:24:46

I don't I I honestly

1:24:48

don't

1:24:49

care. If I'm being totally

1:24:51

honest, I really don't care.

1:24:53

Yeah. As you sit here, we wanna die for

1:24:55

the

1:24:55

moon. Know what the moon looks like. This looks

1:24:57

like that. I'm good. Totally. Yes.

1:24:59

Yeah. Yeah. Completely. It's like, oh,

1:25:01

alrighty. Yeah. Michelle. Yes.

1:25:04

Sorry. For me, think the line for

1:25:06

what would be fake would be, like,

1:25:08

you're taking a photo and the end result

1:25:10

is not at all based on any opt any

1:25:12

actual, like, know, applicable capture from the

1:25:15

cameras. It's just replacing it with, like, a static

1:25:17

already generated

1:25:18

image. And I think that would be, like, hundred

1:25:20

percent safe.

1:25:21

Looks like that's exactly what it was doing,

1:25:23

though. It would be like if you went

1:25:25

to Disney World and and your

1:25:27

family stood next to goofy, and

1:25:29

someone took a picture of of of you

1:25:31

standing next to goofy, And then when you walked

1:25:33

up to them, they just handed you picture of goofy

1:25:36

not the family. Here's

1:25:39

your

1:25:39

picture. Enjoy. You're like, this isn't

1:25:41

a at all, what we just did.

1:25:43

No. No. We're staying with goofy. We

1:25:46

filled in the details for you. Yeah. That's so that's

1:25:49

yeah. It yeah. So I mean,

1:25:51

like, I I agree with Michelle. As long as there's

1:25:53

it's based in some type of optical

1:25:55

reality, then Yeah. Sure

1:25:57

if in a way. It's on it. I can

1:25:59

I can understand both sides on it, though? I really

1:26:01

can. I could see why people

1:26:03

would be offended that that I

1:26:06

took a picture of the of the moon and

1:26:08

suddenly I swapped in this thing. And

1:26:10

and, I mean, in this case, you know, the guy took

1:26:13

a picture of a intentionally

1:26:15

blurry round object

1:26:18

that was was obviously the moon.

1:26:20

There's enough path I think this is at

1:26:22

the heart of what you're what you're saying, Michelle, if I'm

1:26:24

understanding correctly. There's enough of a

1:26:26

pattern on that round

1:26:28

object, that round bright

1:26:30

object that he took a photo of

1:26:34

to show that it is the moon. Like,

1:26:36

that pattern exists didn't have to

1:26:38

be all the detail, but the pattern is there.

1:26:40

And Samsung has a system

1:26:43

2 sharpen that 7a. And they

1:26:45

used and Is that replacing

1:26:47

the picture you took with another picture?

1:26:50

Is it is it somehow with AI

1:26:52

taking known image

1:26:55

of the moon in that particular phase

1:26:57

and, I don't know, morphing those

1:26:59

features around the photo that you put

1:27:01

so it's not a straight up replacement, but it's

1:27:04

kind of like 7a of the two. And

1:27:06

again, like, where do you draw the line between what's

1:27:08

acceptable and not? In a in

1:27:10

a world where we have really kind of

1:27:12

opened up to computational photography

1:27:14

as being an okay thing, I can understand

1:27:17

Samsung saying, well, that's all we're doing here too.

1:27:19

But I can also understand people being upset

1:27:21

and being like, yeah. But you're you're telling me

1:27:23

it's something that it's not, you know. Is

1:27:26

Samsung being honest?

1:27:28

So, I mean, one thing that I one thing I

1:27:30

did in reaction to this Reddit post

1:27:32

was it was an experiment that I've been trying

1:27:35

to do for years actually, and I've never been able

1:27:37

to pull it off. I took a a

1:27:39

light diffuser. You know, for photography,

1:27:41

you you hold it up in the light and pass through. It's

1:27:43

kinda like a basically, a translucent white

1:27:45

thing. And I I put put

1:27:47

it up on a shelf over here. I put a flashlight

1:27:50

behind it and I stood across the

1:27:52

room because, you know, it basically just made

1:27:54

a little white dot which is basically

1:27:56

what the camera sees. Right. I stood across the

1:27:58

room and tried to take a picture of it to see if

1:28:00

it would superimpose the moon on

1:28:02

there, and it did not do it. So Samsung's

1:28:05

got that going for it. Yeah. They were

1:28:07

they were smart enough to think about the fact that

1:28:09

in, you know, in a the millions upon millions

1:28:12

of photos they're ever taken with their cameras,

1:28:14

there might at some point be a

1:28:16

sharp light that resembles the

1:28:18

moon somewhere and we better not be superimposing

1:28:21

moon photos on that sharp

1:28:22

light. You imagine all the weird little

1:28:24

places in pictures where the moon suddenly appears.

1:28:27

I feel like too, like, they could they could be,

1:28:29

like, faking how

1:28:31

blurry the camera really

1:28:33

sees it to begin with, to make it look

1:28:35

like the camera's doing a better job, though. Oh, it makes

1:28:38

yeah. Like, that that's

1:28:40

7a trickery. TWiT it's

1:28:42

it's nope. Yeah. No

1:28:44

brainer.

1:28:44

Yeah. I can see that. But, you know, if

1:28:47

if Cliff's still watching, Cliff, what I

1:28:49

want you to do is I want you to take a picture

1:28:51

of a parking lot and superimpose the

1:28:53

moon over every light lamppost in

1:28:55

there. Just 2 and then post it online so

1:28:57

we can all see it because that would be amazing. That's a

1:28:59

graphic artist.

1:29:01

And cohost of your podcast.

1:29:03

And cohost of the podcast. Benefitted medall

1:29:06

dot com. There we go. Alright,

1:29:09

Shane. We can put this to bed. There

1:29:11

is no more controversy. We've solved

1:29:13

it. We 7a it out. 7a

1:29:16

manufacturer can now fake the moon

1:29:19

on their phone.

1:29:19

Yeah. And it's okay. There we go. And

1:29:21

it's

1:29:22

fine with the all about android podcast.

1:29:25

I think we're

1:29:26

though. Guaranteed, we're gonna get some email

1:29:28

on this. I guarantee

1:29:29

you. But 7a, you don't count. That's

1:29:31

true. You count in

1:29:33

my eyes 7a. Yeah.

1:29:35

I know what that means. That means I don't count. And you're

1:29:37

right. Okay. K. Well, coming up,

1:29:40

speaking of feedback, all the emails that

1:29:42

guys are probably already sending to me. We're gonna get

1:29:44

to some of the feedback, the emails you already

1:29:46

sent 2 all about Android. Here in a second.

1:29:50

Triple a at dot TV347

1:29:52

show AAA this first

1:29:54

email. Let's see here. It's so we run

1:29:57

a little long. Apologies. First email

1:29:59

from Irish Brian in

1:30:01

Japan who says I've just moved to Japan.

1:30:04

My jap my Japanese is dreadful. It's

1:30:06

not an easy language. 7a of

1:30:08

the best apps for getting around on the trains

1:30:10

are Japanese apps and you guessed it

1:30:12

in the Japanese language only.

1:30:14

Google Maps is okay but consistently shows

1:30:17

the wrong time and is extremely inflexible.

1:30:19

Currently, I use the Japanese website and Chrome

1:30:21

to translate. So my question to you is,

1:30:24

is there a way to translate an app on

1:30:26

my phone if the app only comes

1:30:28

in one language. If only say

1:30:30

a company with a massive translation service

1:30:33

could translate apps on the fly, If

1:30:35

only I knew of such a company was such a

1:30:37

massive translation 7a, so

1:30:40

do you know of any way to switch the language on these

1:30:42

apps? I have in the past taken screenshots,

1:30:44

gone to translate, realized I got

1:30:47

the wrong page. Switch back to the app,

1:30:49

screenshot again, etcetera. Syonara,

1:30:52

Irish Brian in Japan. I'm

1:30:54

not entirely certain that there is a

1:30:56

way to just, like, dynamically on

1:30:58

the fly translate an app from one

1:31:00

language to another Unless

1:31:02

I'm missing something, the

1:31:05

only thing I could come up with was tap to translate,

1:31:07

which is a feature of the trans

1:31:09

Google translate app, but that's for copied

1:31:12

text. So if you're on a site and it

1:31:14

gives you some text 2 you're like, I don't know what that

1:31:16

says, you copy that you bring it

1:31:18

in it's like this overlay button that

1:31:20

you just it it's a an easy streamlined

1:31:22

thing. Yeah. Maybe

1:31:24

lens, but, like, the actual UI

1:31:27

elements, you know, the app itself and

1:31:29

all the things that, you know, are within the app

1:31:31

and not just copyable fields. I

1:31:33

don't know that that exists.

1:31:36

So interestingly enough, I used

1:31:38

to work with someone who was an English speaker

1:31:40

who lived in Japan. So I reached out to him

1:31:42

this afternoon And and I asked

1:31:44

him, like, you know, so what did you do?

1:31:46

And and Timmy, by the way,

1:31:48

hi, Timmy. How are you doing? Hi, Timmy? He

1:31:50

told he told me that that is his method.

1:31:53

It is. He would just take a screenshot, pump

1:31:55

it into Google translate, and,

1:31:58

you know, it would translate eventually. And he

1:32:00

said for what it's worth, Irish

1:32:02

Brian in Japan. After a while,

1:32:04

you you just get to kinda know what

1:32:06

it says. What

1:32:08

did he what did he say? After a while, you just

1:32:10

7a what it says. So if you

1:32:13

use the app enough and you don't have to

1:32:15

you don't have to rely on translate anymore.

1:32:17

So now, like, personally, what I do is I would just

1:32:19

take the app and open up the settings and

1:32:21

then take the second phone with Google

1:32:23

lens and then just non

1:32:25

kidding.

1:32:26

No. No. No. There you go. You're

1:32:27

on the summit. Alright. Alright. You ready,

1:32:30

7a. Go ahead and get your finger on that

1:32:32

breaking news button. We got some breaking news.

1:32:35

Yeah. And I'll give you I'll give you little second. This

1:32:37

is the the

1:32:39

the 7a here is just is

1:32:41

incredible. And so

1:32:44

go ahead and fire it away. We

1:32:46

have, of course, scooter

1:32:49

acts to thank for this breaking news. As

1:32:51

totally related exactly related

1:32:53

to what we're talking about, which just kinda blows

1:32:55

me away. I put the link right below the email and

1:32:58

the doc. Headline from nine to

1:33:00

five Google, Google Play will now machine translate

1:33:02

Android apps for free. Problem.

1:33:07

Well, there are you guys. Thank you. I don't know

1:33:09

that this is necessarily a solution for

1:33:11

a user to say, I've

1:33:13

got an app in one language and I can't

1:33:16

you know, I can't read it. Can you translate

1:33:18

this on the fly? But it is related

1:33:20

because developers this would be a way for

1:33:22

developers to easily translate their app

1:33:24

from one language. To another.

1:33:28

And so Okay. You know,

1:33:30

so it's kind of I mean, it's not really a solution

1:33:32

necessarily, but it is biking news because

1:33:35

it happened today.

1:33:36

And So yeah. There

1:33:39

is then the audio solution is

1:33:41

make your own train app. There

1:33:43

yeah. That's all you gotta do. Right? Yeah. Michelle.

1:33:45

Yeah. I mean, you've already talked about the,

1:33:47

you know, the the recommended

1:33:49

solution which is to take a screenshot or use, like, Google

1:33:52

lens, but you know, there is one

1:33:55

way to do automatic translations

1:33:57

of actual in app text, but it

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