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Hello, welcome to All About

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Android, your weekly source for the latest news, hardware,

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and apps. I'll put them on one hand.

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For the Android faithful, I'm Jason Howell.

1:26

And I am Ron Richards. And

1:29

I am Huynh Nguyet-Dao. Hi,

1:32

I'm Florence Ayan, I'm not working. I'm

1:35

not working. A special guest. A

1:37

special new name, Florence Ayan. Flo

1:40

is like an observer that's

1:42

in front of the camera. Yeah,

1:45

Flo was going to come and sit in the

1:48

audience and observe, but instead, Flo,

1:50

we talked her into it. It's

1:53

like when you go to a talk show and someone calls you up on stage.

1:56

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. The

1:58

woman with the red hair, you come up.

1:59

That's basically what happened. She won.

2:02

She got picked her seat in the audience got picked to come

2:04

up and join us on stage So

2:07

now that you're here Let's

2:09

not talk about work. Let's talk about fun.

2:11

Let's talk about I'm

2:13

here as an Android fan. There

2:15

we go I'm here not as Florence the

2:17

journalist But as Florence

2:19

the Android fan and today I'm

2:21

using the galaxy z

2:24

fold for

2:25

you know What that's a phone

2:27

that only Android journalists use you

2:29

know what you're right. I didn't pay one cent for

2:31

this Thank you Samsung for this loaner. I promise

2:33

I will send it back Kidding

2:37

plenty of people like this equal Flow

2:40

is here out of reverence and respect. I

2:43

am that is right. We're happy to have

2:45

you here This is

2:47

a very special episode as you can see

2:49

spread out on the table

2:51

Is a whole host of Android

2:54

technology You could you could even say

2:56

it's almost like a history of

2:59

the show on the table Yeah

3:01

in many ways it is I mean it's not a comprehensive

3:04

history of the show No, but it

3:06

certainly touches a lot of

3:08

bases of different devices

3:10

that we've talked about over the years

3:12

What's that can

3:14

we talk about them yet? We will we will Slow

3:17

slow slow Yes,

3:21

it's done. It's I know

3:23

it was weird when I pulled when I pulled that

3:25

out I was like actually there's like

3:27

totally current news about that, but

3:29

we're not gonna talk about that yet

3:31

We're going to share with you

3:33

some information. That's actually pretty important

3:35

if you're a fan of this show

3:39

This is our last episode we are

3:41

this is the final episode of all about

3:43

Android and It's

3:46

I'm gonna admit that it's crazy

3:49

that it's happened, but There's

3:52

Victor with this was Victor with the sad trombone

3:54

effect. Oh,

3:56

oh, I thought you would get mad at me I

4:00

would expect it. Victor, today of all days

4:02

you could do whatever you want. It's

4:05

fantastic. Yeah, exactly. Go

4:07

for it. Honestly, I want to see how quickly

4:09

you can get to Ron. Would taps be too sad?

4:10

Oh boy. The taps is a little too... Oh

4:13

no. Oh there we go. That's

4:15

nice. I like that. That works.

4:17

That works. The kazoo. What's

4:20

happening? Sure, that's applicable. This is reverent.

4:22

Oh boy. Save the taps for the end. There

4:25

it is. There it is. Save the taps for the end.

4:27

There it is. Save the taps for the end. Yeah,

4:29

okay. I really feel like we need to clarify

4:32

because the chat room's losing their heads right now. Yeah,

4:34

they're like, what the heck is going on here?

4:36

This is, to quote a great, great man, this

4:39

is the end. This is the end, my friends. This

4:41

is the end. So. Yeah,

4:44

it is, you know, there's some sad,

4:46

sad animated gifs happening

4:49

in

4:49

Discord. I will just fully admit

4:51

I'm sad because this has been

4:53

a, this show has been a part of my life for 13

4:55

years. Same

4:59

with you, Ron. You were here since day one,

5:01

since the pre the, the beta

5:04

episodes along with Eileen Rivera and

5:06

it's transformed and it's changed over the

5:08

years. We had Gina Trapani, of course we have

5:10

you Florence Ion. When

5:13

you were here as a journalist, not

5:16

as you are now, just a fan, when

5:19

to a Dow, the most recent, you know,

5:22

co-host on the show. It's been awesome

5:24

having you on wind to bring the developer

5:27

knowledge, but also just because you're an awesome

5:29

person. We

5:30

became friends because of this show. Well

5:33

that's, that's I think it. We're all friends with everybody

5:35

we've had on this show because

5:37

of the show, the space that we've had to like

5:40

socialize over this shared love of

5:43

an ecosystem.

5:44

Yeah, totally. I mean, I think

5:46

at the core of what has made this

5:48

show so enjoyable and we will

5:50

have the thing at the end. We're going to spend like 20

5:52

minutes talking about this right now because we've got

5:54

some really great plans coming up, but I think what's

5:57

really made this such an enjoyable show

5:59

to do. And then I hope to watch

6:02

and listen to is the fact that we all

6:05

share this passion around this

6:07

thing called Android. And if you're

6:09

listening, you care enough to

6:11

listen to a show every single week that's about

6:13

that thing. And we care enough

6:16

about it that we want to talk about it every week. So

6:18

yeah, I mean, you know, I had to echo

6:21

you for 13 years. This is every every

6:23

Tuesday for 13 years. This has been, you know,

6:26

a high point of the week and look forward to and we're gonna get all emotional

6:28

at the end and stuff like that. But it's all been because

6:30

of the audience and everybody listening who's

6:32

into Android and into this as a as

6:35

a ecosystem and as a line of technology

6:38

and products. And it's a blast. And so

6:40

I'm glad that everybody has been along for

6:42

this ride. And you know, so unless

6:44

we do the best show we can every week for you. And

6:47

tonight's no exception. That's always been

6:49

our been our goal. So we do have

6:51

a really great plan coming up after

6:53

after we take our first break before we get to our

6:55

first break though to get

6:58

just a little bit of like current

6:59

news in before we go into this blast from

7:02

the past hardware. There's news extravaganza

7:05

when you

7:06

just got a brand new device

7:09

and I think everybody needs to hear about. I

7:11

mean, this. Yeah. Yeah,

7:13

we'll get into the hardware section. There's

7:16

that hardware bumper one last time. Mr. Jeff. So

7:21

what'd you get when what'd you got in your hands?

7:23

So my husband got

7:25

his Pixel tablet today in

7:28

in the mail. So we've had this for maybe four

7:30

hours. Has anybody reviewed this? By

7:32

the way, I literally I said I have not

7:34

been working

7:35

for the last seven reviews embargo.

7:37

I think happened yesterday or

7:40

the day before. I

7:42

saw a whole bunch getting my feed. Mine

7:45

is in transit. It was being it's

7:47

being delivered tomorrow.

7:49

So it's too bad you didn't get

7:51

it in time. Very typical all about

7:53

Android. I get it the day after the

7:55

show. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I've

7:57

seen some reviews. But when I'm dying to hear what your

7:59

initial.

7:59

look thoughts are. Yeah, so

8:02

this is my husband's and I love that this is my first

8:04

and last hardware ish review

8:07

thing going on, but this is great. So we got this. We got

8:10

this. It is a very sharp

8:12

device. I think the first thing that I said to the

8:14

crew when I got it is that, wow, I

8:16

am so happily nonplussed

8:19

by the bezels. The form factor is really

8:21

nice. It does have that really like kind of nice, like,

8:23

like really nice kind of touch.

8:24

Yeah, it feels nice, right? Like it's

8:27

kind of a comfortable feeling device.

8:29

Some devices are cold and edgy

8:31

and this one has a nice contour to it. And

8:34

the texture is right. I thought.

8:36

Yeah, it's definitely an Android tablet.

8:39

And yeah, the bezels are no big deal. Like

8:41

this, this is no big deal. I actually took some pictures of it. This,

8:44

the bezels on this are smaller than

8:46

the Nest Hub Max. And it's kind of like

8:48

the whole footprint of this thing is slightly smaller than Nest

8:50

Hub Max. So if you are one of those folks, you have

8:52

it. So we, we've had this for four

8:54

hours, so I don't have too much to say about it.

8:56

Full comprehensive review,

8:59

top to bottom, nuts to bolts. Tell

9:01

us everything in detail, tips, tricks.

9:04

I want it all.

9:05

It's a tablet. Like

9:07

so, so, so in our, our

9:09

experience, it's a pretty okay tablet.

9:12

We are really huge on our

9:15

Nest Hub Max. And so I think the

9:17

thing that's really standing out to us right now is that

9:19

we're not, we're not too thrilled about

9:22

the transition from our Nest Hub

9:24

Max to this to be perfectly correct. Okay.

9:27

And that's four hours you've gleaned

9:29

that. So my husband was setting

9:31

it up. Obvious sticking

9:33

point. So what is it that between the two that

9:36

has you so immediately going, okay,

9:38

this is not the same.

9:40

So we were really hoping for a, a hub

9:42

that was more tablet-y rather

9:44

than for, rather

9:47

than a tablet forward tablet for a device

9:50

that had

9:50

some features. That was a hub.

9:53

That's how it was. We wanted a hub that was tablin, not table

9:55

as a hub. And because it's like

9:57

strictly, I think it's really

9:59

mostly an Android tablet, that all was fine.

10:02

Getting the hub mode set up was,

10:05

I mean, not, it wasn't hard, but

10:07

it's not like I expected. Like even like

10:10

getting into hub mode is kind of unclear

10:12

to me. Like for right now, all I can tell

10:14

about hub mode is that it's the screen saver. Like

10:16

you set up the screen saver. Okay, so I can help you with that.

10:18

Okay, cool. Before I stopped working.

10:22

Okay, I learned some things, right? I

10:24

was Google I.O. The

10:26

hub mode goes when the tablet

10:29

is directly connected to the

10:32

hub.

10:32

So when those magnets touch, that's

10:35

when it knows. That's when it takes in the gear.

10:39

Yeah, that wasn't our experience. Really?

10:42

Oh, that made that seem like an end.

10:44

It only hubs when it's in screen. So

10:47

I don't, so that's the thing. I don't know what

10:49

hub mode is right now. Cause when we do, when I do attach

10:51

it, I get the sparkly screen, you

10:53

know, flash that, oh, hey, this is charging. And

10:56

it still stays on the tablet home screen. And

10:58

then I wait for it to go into screen saver and then

11:00

it feels more hubby. Real life use

11:03

right there. Yes. And

11:05

so, I mean, my husband, the first thing he said was like,

11:07

ooh, like can I have a dock for every room? Because

11:09

he really responded to that. The

11:12

physicalness of like the snapping in. But

11:14

after using, he was like, I didn't want a tablet,

11:16

I wanted a hub. And yeah, the hub mode,

11:18

I don't know what it is. Maybe

11:20

there's something we set up incorrectly. Maybe

11:23

it's just us.

11:24

But I'm only really seeing the hub mode as

11:26

a screen saver. And there is a very distinct,

11:29

you know, experience between hub mode

11:31

and regular tablet mode. For example,

11:35

you know, even setting a timer, like even setting

11:37

a timer,

11:38

if it's not in hub mode, even

11:40

if it's stocked. So just be aware, we have

11:42

not used this like freestanding. We've had this stuck

11:45

on the hub. If like,

11:47

just a little thing, right? One of our favorite things

11:49

to use the Nest hub for is timers when we're cooking.

11:51

If it's not in hub mode, it just uses a

11:53

regular Android timer. It doesn't use like the full

11:56

screen, which I know is like not a big deal, but it's like

11:58

a slightly different experience. And it's kind of like,

11:59

more in the periphery rather than, hey,

12:05

my big hub is showing it in big large letters. So

12:10

I don't know why, but we're having trouble getting it in hub

12:12

mode. It

12:15

just seems to be a screensaver.

12:17

And

12:20

another thing is with the hub, both of us could

12:22

have our accounts active on it. The

12:25

hub mode is my husband's mode. I

12:28

hate the magic phrase, it

12:30

doesn't work for me if it's not in hub mode, which it

12:32

tends to not be in hub mode. So we're having troubles. So

12:36

it's a lovely device. It's

12:38

got a smaller footprint. It's lovely.

12:40

It's fun to hold. Yes, the physicality

12:43

of the dock is lovely. Whatever

12:45

reason we're having trouble. And I mean,

12:47

we're two Android devs.

12:50

This is not our first rodeo, but

12:52

we're a little disappointed. And again, this is because

12:55

we were hoping for a hub that had

12:57

some tablet features and not the other way around. So, so far,

13:04

also I've almost made this thing crashed two or three times

13:06

because I'm an aggressive on button pusher.

13:09

And don't push too hard on the top of

13:11

this thing because it will

13:12

shoot off the dock. It

13:14

will shoot off the dock. I had to be really... I'm

13:17

trying to figure out what you mean, but when it's

13:19

attached to the dock magnetically, if you push too hard

13:21

down, it will just launch down. It

13:25

actually slid off. The

13:28

force of pressing that button is enough to break the

13:30

magnetic seal. Yeah, I just did it again. So

13:32

like, yeah, so I did that. You're

13:36

really strong and actually you are really strong.

13:38

We know this. Yeah,

13:39

just just

13:41

here. Just just a little with one. I'm going

13:43

to drop this on the counter and then my husband can have it.

13:46

It just it doesn't. It doesn't take a lot of force

13:48

to kind of...

13:51

Oh gosh. It

13:55

didn't hit the floor. Oh my God. I'm

13:57

sorry. I'm watching it. I

14:00

want to see what happened. Luckily

14:03

it didn't hit my drink. I have a gin and tonic on the

14:05

table. It just

14:07

slid. It's okay. That

14:10

would hurt if I hit the gin and tonic. So

14:14

don't press too hard. Don't

14:16

press too hard.

14:17

I did not do that at work. I

14:20

swear to God. So, yes, so

14:22

don't press too. I'm sweating.

14:26

Oh God, now I'm sweating. The

14:29

look on her face. I'm so sorry. That

14:32

was great.

14:33

Luckily I have a lot of space

14:35

to the left of my desk. It missed my gin and tonic

14:37

and just slid. Oh, so happy that definitely Jason.

14:40

You got to mark that down. Definitely

14:42

gets in the best of what

14:45

best of. So, so maybe, maybe we're having

14:47

trouble with hub mode, but

14:52

if you're the kind of person who just wants it to work like a nest hub,

14:56

max, or whatever your previous,

14:58

you know, countertop, you know, center would be, it's

15:00

going to be different. I'm really annoyed that

15:03

it doesn't let us have both accounts active, but maybe

15:05

you can follow me and

15:08

I'll do updates when we figure this stuff out. And

15:10

I can see like we're getting all kinds of suggestions about

15:12

what to do about the hub mode, but we're trying

15:14

y'all. It's not something's not working. Can

15:17

we talk about this real quick? Because

15:19

I have, because I feel like this is something you can

15:21

relate to. Yeah, I know. Like

15:24

when I've also been looking for a new

15:27

hub situation because

15:29

guess what y'all, they stopped updating the

15:31

Lenovo smart displays. Oh,

15:33

I had that really nice 10 inch

15:36

one that you could

15:36

see from across the room. I had that

15:39

in a common area of my house. That's

15:41

what we use to set timers. You

15:43

know, Mona, we have to set a timer. Then

15:46

you have to stop watching Spidey. It only launched

15:48

in 2019, right? Or 2018? 2018.

15:52

Right. It only launched in 2018. But

15:54

still. Right. So they stopped

15:57

updating it. It just stopped working.

16:00

just stop the sound just didn't work

16:02

anymore. Like I couldn't hear the

16:04

assistant respond back to me, even

16:06

though it would still take commands. So I

16:09

decided to just retire it because who's

16:11

gonna fix it? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna

16:13

do? Can you fix it? Yeah, I mean, yeah,

16:15

take it in. And you don't have the time to like hack it anymore.

16:18

No, I don't have time to do that. Exactly,

16:20

I mean, you're not working, so. But- No,

16:22

yes, it's true. I only tell

16:25

my got you, there's only things that I'm keeping alive. But

16:27

what I'm most excited about, because

16:29

as you all know, I've been at war with

16:32

my Google Home Hub, Nest Hub,

16:34

whatever I have in the kitchen. And

16:37

I'm excited to get the Pixel tablet and the Hub

16:39

mode to see if I have the same

16:41

results in Hub mode

16:44

as I have with the awful assistant not understanding.

16:46

I mean, it's gotten to the point now where I cannot

16:49

play music on the thing via voice command. I

16:51

have to Chromecast from the YouTube app to play music on

16:53

the thing. You gotta go figure it out when you have the music app.

16:55

It's so, it has been so off with

16:58

the things that I've asked it to play. It's

17:00

just unbelievable and just whatever. Good

17:03

thing we're stopping the show because man, I'm at my wit's end with

17:05

YouTube music.

17:07

Well, I think it's all incredibly valid because

17:09

I have been thinking, I've had a lot of time to think. Because

17:16

Ron, I'm not gonna watch seasons nine and 10 of 90210.

17:18

Ron, come on, Matt Durning, come

17:21

on. Really hard to get through the GINA episodes. Anyway,

17:23

I've been thinking a lot just

17:25

about how the Google

17:27

Smart Home, I've actually been taking stuff offline

17:30

while I've been at off work. I'm

17:32

just like, I don't need this. Let's

17:34

take this offline. I don't need this. I

17:38

don't need to talk to this. Yeah. Yeah,

17:42

I know I'm talking less to my Google Home

17:45

using it less and less. What is

17:47

the indicator for me is that we have one

17:50

in our kitchen and have

17:52

for a very long time. It probably has gotten the most use,

17:56

but lately I go to, when I do

17:58

go to use it. that I realized has been

18:00

unplugged and it's still unplugged. There's other

18:03

things plugged in there instead. So like, all

18:05

right. There's something else plugged in and you're like. Something

18:07

else is plugged in in its place. It's not getting much used these

18:09

days.

18:09

That has to stay plugged in, the thing that's plugged in.

18:12

I'm not gonna unplug it. So what does

18:14

that say about these devices in our houses

18:16

though? It's a very different

18:18

world than the one we were promised.

18:20

A whole new world. Well,

18:26

I was gonna say when I'm

18:28

looking forward to a more expansive review

18:31

of the Pixel tablet, but if

18:34

people wanna know how you feel about your Pixel

18:36

tablet, where should they go?

18:38

Yeah, just go

18:40

to my website, ReallyTyping.com or follow

18:42

me at QueenCodeMonkey for now

18:44

on Instagram. I'll figure something out. I

18:46

might actually post a video review, but

18:48

yeah, pay attention to that. I need to find a good

18:50

YouTube channel because someone has randomlytyping YouTube.com

18:53

slash randomlytyping, but I

18:55

don't know. Just follow mine. You need to come to TikTok

18:57

and be there with me. I

18:59

should. TikTok has no game plan. You

19:01

just get on there. Just the only thing you can't

19:04

do is the millennial pause.

19:06

What is that? The millennial pause is the first

19:08

few seconds of the video as it's starting. You're

19:11

waiting to make sure that the video has

19:13

started recording. So sometimes

19:15

when you get onto a millennial TikTok, you'll notice

19:17

they wait for a second before they start talking. You

19:20

can't do that. Gen Z immediately jumps

19:22

into it and they do it really fast. So

19:24

you have

19:24

to meet them. Gen Z's confident. You have to meet them where

19:27

their attention span is. So

19:29

you can't be like, hey guys, you have to be like,

19:32

today I'm doing my makeup with three fingers. That's

19:36

the only thing you need to do. You do

19:38

that and you're guaranteed success. Love

19:40

it. That's it. Okay.

19:43

Piece of cake. Well that and you gotta make sure not to use

19:45

certain bad words because TikTok is really.

19:49

Anytime. Well, so then maybe we'll

19:51

find some TikTok pixel

19:53

tablet

19:54

stuff coming up from when. Maybe

19:57

it'll be a collab between when

19:59

and. Not working for them. When we could battle

20:02

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20:04

we should. Do what? Just

20:06

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20:29

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of All About. Android. All

24:02

right. Now on

24:05

this table, we have assembled some

24:07

of the finest historical pieces from

24:09

the world of Android over the past 13 years

24:12

or so. Some of the

24:14

other finest devices aren't here. This is

24:16

not a comprehensive collection, but

24:19

I will refer Victor

24:21

to this clip

24:23

in a previous episode, sometime in the last couple

24:25

of, I wish I would have written down the episode

24:27

number, where Ron was setting up

24:29

the stage for something we have lovingly

24:31

referred to in many years

24:34

as the Android Hall of Fame.

24:37

And then what I think we do is I think we set

24:40

a date like later this

24:42

year for like the induct, like we should, we

24:44

should make a program out of this, have like, this

24:46

is going to be the Hall of Fame day when

24:47

we're getting inducted. Yeah, exactly.

24:50

Yeah. Like

24:51

we should really build something out of it. I think

24:53

so. Android deserves a Hall

24:55

of Fame. Dang it. It

24:58

deserves a pop and circumstance. Oh

25:01

yeah. There it is. Finally. That

25:04

was my dream. With my pandemic

25:07

facial hair. That was a year of my

25:09

life. Okay. The only year I ever

25:11

grew out the hair on my face and probably the only

25:13

year I ever will. Anyways,

25:16

my dream is becoming a reality Jason.

25:18

It just took ending the show. All

25:20

it took was the last episode for us to

25:22

finally get our act together and

25:25

put together something resembling

25:27

a, all about Android hardware

25:30

and apps Hall of Fame. I figured

25:32

we'd leave news out of it, like news

25:34

Hall of Fame. That sounded like

25:36

snore, snooze,

25:38

whatever. But so,

25:41

so when we talk about the Hall of Fame, this

25:43

is the criteria, not to revisit the clip

25:45

that you just said, but this is like, my vision

25:48

for the Android Hall of Fame has always been hardware

25:51

that meets at least one of these criteria,

25:54

which was either a game

25:56

changer in the way we thought about hardware, right?

25:59

Like introduce.

25:59

the new approach or new concept or new

26:02

like kind of aspect to it that, you know, kind

26:04

of impacted or something

26:06

that became so ubiquitous through

26:08

either sales and user adoption that

26:11

it became synonymous with the Android experience.

26:13

I mean, do we agree those are two good kind of criteria

26:16

for it? Yeah. Yeah. Like I

26:18

put it in here as like a marker

26:21

or a momentum changer could qualify

26:24

something that's really memorable from a functionality

26:26

and industrial design, a usability standpoint,

26:29

but not just like, oh yeah, that was a nice phone.

26:31

Something that really, no, it really, it

26:33

really had to have an impact. It's a common part of the conversation.

26:36

Like, ah, man, this always comes

26:38

up a lot. And the list, the list

26:40

that Jason primarily put together and we, we all kind

26:42

of, you know, we, we jammed on this a little bit. There's some in here

26:44

that I suggested as well. I think as

26:46

we go through these, it's going to be, oh, I popped

26:49

out of focus. As we go through these, um, it'll

26:51

be kind of clear

26:53

as to what that,

26:55

you know, that criteria is for that

26:57

phone. Like it's because it's the same approach.

26:59

I have a baseball, like baseball Hall of Fame. It should

27:02

be a no brainer,

27:03

right? Like you're like, Oh, that guy, yeah, he's a Hall of Famer.

27:05

You know, when you hear it, you're like, Oh yeah. Okay.

27:07

I understand why that's pornography. When you see it, you

27:09

know it. So how

27:12

do you went there? Um,

27:13

that's not what

27:15

people are saying about that show on HBO, but the

27:18

last story. The one with the weekend. Is that what you're

27:20

talking about? Yeah. Um,

27:22

so I, I, I should say

27:24

that the list that I have here when I was, when

27:26

I was, when we were working on this and I

27:28

was assembling it, I was doing so

27:31

under the assumption that not all of these

27:33

would automatically be Hall of Fame worthy,

27:36

but that they were worth considering and

27:38

that we together could anoint

27:42

and, and it doesn't have to be isolated to this

27:44

list. Maybe at the end, if I miss something,

27:46

you know, definitely let us know and we can, we

27:48

can figure out. Um, but

27:50

I think we gotta start with the T-Mobile G one,

27:53

right? I actually put these in order of, of

27:55

when they came out, if that keeps things a

27:57

little easier, but, uh, the T-Mobile G one.

27:59

when we're talking about like a

28:02

game changer, a momentum changer,

28:04

a marker of Android, this was, I mean

28:07

Time Magazine considered this the gadget

28:10

of the year in 2008, you know, best invention

28:12

of one of the best inventions of 2008. It was

28:14

a big deal. We certainly wouldn't

28:16

be here without this phone. I

28:19

remember the day I had

28:22

drinks with someone across the street

28:24

from the T-Mobile store in San Francisco

28:26

on Market Street. I was at a bar across the street and

28:28

I had drinks with somebody who

28:29

worked in tech and pulled, he had

28:32

gotten it and showed it to me. And I literally put

28:34

my drink down and walked across the street and bought it at T-Mobile.

28:36

Wow. From that, like, the

28:39

size of this. I will never forget

28:41

it, but yeah. I do, I do have it here.

28:43

Do we have the overhead shot?

28:45

Is it, I don't know

28:47

if it's, oh, it's all the way,

28:50

all the way over there. It's

28:53

so small in your hand. Isn't it

28:55

tiny? Phones are a lot bigger nowadays.

28:58

Yeah, they sure are. So

29:01

this phone was becoming kind of like

29:03

the replacement for the sidekick

29:06

at the time that it was released. I remember

29:09

some people, they wanted it because, Sidekick was a big deal

29:11

around this time. It was the only other phone

29:13

that had AOL incident messenger. I don't

29:15

think the iPhone had AOL yet. They

29:18

did not. They didn't have apps yet. And this one did.

29:20

Oh, that's so funny, AOL. People were upgrading to this

29:22

one because it gave you AIM,

29:24

AOL incident messenger. No, it's so funny.

29:27

Literally this past weekend, I watched the Blackberry

29:29

movie. Yeah, I saw your review. So

29:32

good. And it's very funny,

29:34

because a big part of it is, is that obviously you see the ascent

29:36

of Blackberry and then the big moment

29:38

is when the iPhone is released and

29:40

the product, obviously, the black, well,

29:43

no, yeah, pretty much. The other stuff

29:45

happens though, is when it's worth watching it. But the product

29:48

guy who invented the Blackberry is flipping out

29:50

saying that the iPhone isn't gonna do well because people

29:52

love the keyboard. They love the click. They

29:54

love the physicalness

29:55

of the keyboard. And it was funny because,

29:57

and they did because an Android really.

29:59

and I was thinking about it as reflecting

30:02

on our life in Android, the G1

30:04

and the early Android phones

30:06

really bridged the gap, whereas

30:10

the world was somewhat candy bar

30:12

phones and Blackberries and Trios and things like

30:14

that, like with the physical keyboards. And

30:16

then the iPhone comes along and was just

30:19

a huge neck snapping, whiplash,

30:23

drop the physical keyboard, everything's on the screen, which

30:26

people struggled with. Yeah, I remember when the iPhone

30:28

came out, people were having a hard time with the keyboard, the

30:30

optics and stuff like that. And with

30:32

the G1 and with Android and those early Android

30:35

phones, they brought people

30:37

over more gently to the vision

30:39

of the iPhone, right? Of the keyboardless

30:42

phone, because you had several

30:44

years of phones of physical keyboards.

30:46

That is so funny you mentioned that, because we actually

30:48

did see a Blackberry ourselves and I was probably

30:51

one of the only people, so not to spoil too

30:53

much because it's history, but the movie kind of ends

30:56

as maybe research of

30:58

motion dominance ended with the Blackberry

31:00

storm. And I actually

31:01

had a Blackberry storm. That's

31:04

impressive. Yeah. But that's

31:06

kind of wrong. What you're talking about is what I wanted is that,

31:08

okay, I kind of knew that, there's

31:11

a sense that something new is coming, but

31:13

there was kind of like, can I have a middle ground? I

31:15

didn't want an iPhone for a lot of reasons and

31:18

my husband did have that G. He was on the G1. He's

31:20

been an Android

31:22

enthusiast

31:24

on the Android faithful since like beta. Thank

31:27

you. And so I was kind

31:29

of like the person that was trying to be, you know,

31:31

was kind of having a hard time bridging that gap

31:33

or just

31:33

coming across the bridge rather. And so

31:36

my compromise was to get the Blackberry storm

31:38

because it had that kind of tactile weird screen.

31:41

Obviously, it didn't quite work out. I never returned

31:44

it, but it was really funny because

31:46

I think if anything, that whetted

31:48

my appetite for

31:51

the next one. Does that make sense? It's

31:53

okay to segue. Good segue because then

31:55

that made me figure, okay,

31:58

let me get the Motorola Droid.

31:59

And that was my first Android phone. On

32:02

Verizon. And I was on

32:04

Verizon because Verizon. But

32:07

yeah, then I was sold. Yeah, Verizon took a while

32:09

to get the first Android phone. Yeah.

32:11

Verizon did not have the iPhone

32:13

at the time. And it really

32:16

wanted it. And it didn't have it. And

32:18

what it had was the Motorola Droid. And

32:20

so they put all of their marketing muscle

32:22

and might behind the Motorola Droid.

32:25

And so I, okay, but before we get to the Motorola

32:27

Droid. Before we do, yes. We need to vote. What

32:30

is the vote? Do we agree? Hall of

32:32

Fame worthy?

32:32

Of course, it started everything. Oh, it's in.

32:34

It's in. Yeah. I think

32:37

it has to be there. All right. So

32:39

then, then we've got the Motorola Droid. Where is

32:41

that? Oh, okay.

32:43

So by the way, this is my Motorola Droid.

32:46

And I will say. It was your personal one that you were using.

32:48

Oh yeah. Yeah. I

32:50

remember that. I remember that phone, Jason. I remember it.

32:53

This right here was my first Android device ever. Well loved.

32:56

Yeah. It looks like it. It's all peed

32:58

up. Oh, I forgot about the trackpad.

33:00

I can't even unlock it. It can

33:02

unlock it. For whatever reason

33:05

will not work. It's probably running some sort

33:07

of, you know, a ROM of some sort

33:09

that's preventing me from doing anything. You

33:11

love those ROMs, Jason. I did with this device

33:13

in particular. Now we

33:15

should add that. We should add that. Sorry.

33:18

The battery on this thing is absolutely

33:21

atrocious. I had it plugged in all

33:24

afternoon and it got up to 60% and

33:26

then I unplugged it in like 10, 15 minutes

33:28

later. It said 20%. So it's straight.

33:31

But anyways, it didn't explode. The

33:33

battery hasn't exploded yet. That's true. But

33:36

what could you do with the battery on this thing? You could take it out. You

33:38

could pop it out, have a backup battery

33:40

in your bag, which I have.

33:42

Yes. Oh, okay. Right now. Yeah.

33:46

I'm fine to just kind of be with this thing

33:48

the way it is. It's cool.

33:52

But I mean,

33:53

fugly phone. This is not a pretty

33:56

device by any stretch, but Verizon

33:58

made it happen.

34:00

The best thing Verizon did was

34:03

licensing Star

34:06

Wars and making an R2-D2

34:08

version because that, you know, they leveraged

34:11

the droid, which I'm shocked that they, especially

34:13

after having

34:15

worked with Lucasfilm and Disney and all those

34:17

sorts of stuff, that deal happened. And

34:21

that that was like the best thing I think it ever did for their

34:23

marketing was was connected to the concept

34:25

of a droid and R2 and that

34:28

classic white one with the R2 on

34:30

the back, like the R2 design on the back. I

34:33

knew so many

34:33

people ran out and got that just purely for that. So

34:36

yeah. The reason that

34:39

I nominate the Motorola droid is

34:41

simply because when it comes to,

34:43

at least here in the US, when

34:46

it comes to

34:48

like the public knowledge that

34:50

there was an alternative to iPhone

34:53

that was worthy of considering

34:55

like G1 was first

34:58

on the market, right? But the Motorola droid

35:00

was the one that people that didn't want the

35:02

iPhone or that didn't have an iPhone yet,

35:04

but wanted a smartphone that did iPhone things.

35:07

But a droid was the one where they would go, oh, well,

35:09

actually I'll push. I'll push

35:11

back on Jason because the, because the iPhone

35:13

was out on AT&T singular, if you remember, which

35:15

I forgot singular was a thing until the

35:17

Blackberry movie. Then they mentioned it and

35:19

I switched

35:23

from Verizon to T-Mobile to get the G1,

35:25

but T-Mobile was very small compared

35:28

to what it is now at this time. Yeah. And

35:30

Verizon was really the more dominant

35:32

carriers that it was Verizon and

35:36

AT&T. And like we said, by having Verizon

35:38

adopt the droid and it being the alternative to the iPhone,

35:40

like that's really what gave like

35:42

if the G1 was on Verizon, it would be way more ubiquitous.

35:45

Oh, 100%. But it was the more Android droid that did it. Yeah.

35:47

No, I don't doubt that at all. Like

35:51

the droid in and of itself is,

35:53

I mean, I guess it was cutting edge at the

35:55

time. It was not the only Android phone on Verizon

35:58

at the time. Well, that's true. What

36:00

else was there? It was also the HTC Incredible. Right,

36:03

well that was your first, right? That was my first. Yeah.

36:06

Mm-hmm. Because this one was very uncomfortable

36:08

with the keys. Yeah. For

36:11

my nails. It's got, yeah, I mean it's

36:13

got comfort issues. Yeah.

36:16

It kind of hurts when you use it. The

36:19

edges are a little harsh. Well, and it was supposed to harken

36:21

back to the texting phones that were very popular at

36:23

that time that had full QWERTY keyboards.

36:26

Yeah. You love, Flo, you love the sidekick,

36:28

if I remember correctly. I did not have the sidekick,

36:30

no, because I wasn't on T-Mobile. I was on Verizon. No,

36:33

but you had, didn't you have one, didn't you have one with a keyboard? I

36:35

feel like we've talked about this. I had an LG, like,

36:37

NV2 or 3 or whatever.

36:40

Yeah, before it was. Yeah.

36:42

Yeah. Yeah. I don't doubt

36:45

at all what you said, Ron. If it had been a different phone

36:47

that Verizon had put its muscle and its marketing

36:49

behind, that one might have been the big

36:52

phone to do it. But they did this one,

36:54

and whether it deserved it or not, it got

36:56

a lot of attention for Android. I

36:58

think it went far in kind of awakening a

37:04

lot of American potential users

37:07

to Android. And it also

37:09

kind of solidified the Android

37:11

is different than what you get on an iPhone. An iPhone

37:13

has certain things, but over here, it

37:16

does all these weird, like geeky, you

37:18

know, kind of edgy. It had like an edge

37:20

to it that appealed to some people.

37:22

So that's why I vote for the Motorola

37:24

Droid.

37:25

That feels like a really good segue into the next one,

37:27

which was really the one that became

37:31

what people chose over the iPhone.

37:33

Yeah. Yeah. Before we

37:35

get there. Before we move on though, we got to vote. So

37:37

vote on the Droid Hall of Fame.

37:40

Yay or nay? Yes, obvious. All

37:42

right. I'll go along. I'll go along with that. I'm

37:44

hesitant, but I'll go along with it. Victor

37:47

was raising his hand too. Victor first. I

37:49

was going to say, you probably had one. Yeah. Yeah.

37:52

That's the thing. And I know that we talked about this in

37:55

the past, and we're talking about Hall of Fame

37:57

devices. It's hard because you, It

38:00

becomes like an affinity

38:02

that's based on our own like experience

38:05

with them. Personal. It becomes personal.

38:07

It's like

38:08

you never had the Motorola Droid. So

38:10

it didn't mean as much to you, right? Meant

38:13

nothing to me. Meant nothing to you. See?

38:16

You know what's really funny from a,

38:18

just before I move on before, from a developer perspective

38:20

is that, you know, I think one of the things

38:23

that I think, um, we, uh, like kind

38:25

of very early on as Android Dev hung

38:27

our hat on is that Android

38:29

is meant to be for all kinds of form factors. So you

38:31

had all these different phones and from a technical perspective, that's

38:34

a lot harder to develop for. And what has kind

38:36

of hit me is that, you know, when, when

38:39

I started developing and then eventually ended

38:41

up being kind of more senior and being able to mentor like

38:43

younger Android devs, I would always be like, look, y'all,

38:45

you have to test your phones in landscape mode,

38:47

which these days is actually not, we

38:49

barely tested landscape mode anymore. But

38:52

it's because our very first couple of phones were

38:54

those slide out keyboard phones where people are using

38:56

them in landscape all the time. And it's so

38:58

funny because that became for years is just like how

39:00

you do Android.

39:01

Well, is that you have to test in all the

39:03

different, you know, all the different like configurations

39:06

and configuration changes. And it's so funny because it's so different

39:08

now, but it's,

39:08

it is really funny how the form,

39:11

um, uh,

39:13

informed the practice in those early days.

39:16

Um, and I kind of miss those days where we were a lot more

39:18

careful, but yeah, ROI, as

39:20

I always say, and we'll continue to say until the end of this

39:22

episode, ROI,

39:26

ROI return on investment. I'm returning

39:28

investment on dev time. It's a, there we go.

39:30

It will be even after today. Okay. I

39:33

understand. Imagine me saying it in your sleep. ROI

39:35

is important. ROI, um, ROI

39:39

on the galaxy S two was pretty big, right?

39:41

So galaxy S one notably not

39:44

in here. My initial thought was galaxy

39:46

S three. Cause I saw that as like the,

39:49

the galaxy one. What's that? Was

39:51

the S one was just the one probably.

39:54

I don't even remember. That's not notable. The

39:57

galaxy S thank you. That's what it

39:59

was. That's what it was. Oh, that was a not

40:02

a very not a very good phone. No, I

40:04

remember the s3 being a big deal Yes,

40:06

but we had

40:08

got Ryan Hager on one of

40:10

our episodes where we had an email about

40:13

Hall of Fame and do you remember Ron

40:15

he Because you were the only other other one

40:17

on that episode Where he where we

40:19

mentioned the s3 or there was an emailer that mentioned

40:22

the s3 and he was like I would argue It's

40:24

the s2 because the s2

40:26

was the one that got the carriers Really

40:29

on board and really kind of solidified

40:31

Samsung's Focus its

40:33

direction with its with

40:36

its phones and we know love them or

40:38

hate them

40:38

over the years Samsung has been

40:40

a force for Android

40:42

and has been a big reason why

40:44

Android is in so many people's pockets

40:51

I think we need I think we need to hear from the former

40:54

president of the Samsung fan club. Yes

40:57

Hello, I don't know if it's former anymore.

40:59

Oh, wow. Did you

41:01

just fire up the fan club again? You

41:04

know, let me tell you let me

41:06

tell you fan club not

41:08

it's I Uh, let

41:11

me tell you I've been super

41:13

happy with my pixel 7

41:14

You have

41:16

not I have not been super happy with it

41:19

even photography wise I'm gonna tell

41:21

you that galaxy s23 ultra

41:23

They really made it a lot better

41:26

than the s22 and like I already

41:28

said that during my review process But like

41:31

just today I went out of my way to take

41:33

a walk So, you know, I haven't

41:35

been working so I've been sneaking behind people's houses

41:37

to see where I could find the best view in town So

41:41

the best view of what of the Bay?

41:43

Oh I'm

41:47

checking everybody's view Okay So

41:50

I've been going behind houses like because you could

41:52

go where the goats go and like do their thing Anyway

41:55

today I specifically took

41:58

the s23 ultra with me

42:00

just so that I could take a picture of

42:03

the Carquiness Bridge from this very

42:06

lovely

42:08

backyard. Vantage point, right?

42:10

Yes, yes. But I was only able

42:12

to do that. I was thinking to myself, of course I can

42:14

do it with this one because this has all that zoom, but

42:16

also the camera's a lot better, you know,

42:20

and the battery.

42:21

So you are one

42:23

over once again, it sounds like on Samsung.

42:27

Well, and also,

42:28

sorry, I just want to also add from the foldable

42:30

perspective, they've actually been like now

42:33

as a

42:34

current Android player, they're

42:37

actually following all the rules and trying

42:39

to like make things happen for this form factor.

42:41

They're doing a lot right now that I think in

42:43

the early days, there

42:45

were certain aspects of Samsung that either

42:48

you loved or you absolutely hated. But here's the other thing.

42:50

Okay, hold on. Here's my, like my real

42:52

point is what I really should have gotten to, which

42:55

is that when anybody talks about Android versus iOS,

42:57

it's never Pixel versus iPhone, it's

42:59

Samsung

43:00

versus iPhone. It's Samsung, yeah, absolutely. Because people

43:02

are fans of Samsung. They're not

43:04

fans of Android like we are. We're

43:07

an anomaly. Understand,

43:10

no question. Do you think the S2

43:12

is the reason why? I

43:14

believe that it started a trajectory. I remember

43:16

back then there were people like, I don't need the iPhone,

43:19

I have the S2.

43:20

And some people held

43:22

onto that for a long time until eventually it just died.

43:26

But it had touch waves. Touch,

43:28

yeah, for whatever reason. And what is touch waves now? One UI.

43:31

Oh yeah, no, it's much better. It's actually a little bit better, sorry.

43:33

And she had the mic.

43:35

Am I crazy for remembering

43:37

or misremembering? But was Eileen was

43:39

pro Samsung, wasn't she? Did she have a

43:41

Samsung? Yeah, no, you're not misremembering. She

43:43

had an, I don't remember if it was

43:45

an S2 or an S3, but I feel like it was one

43:48

of those. Yep. And I don't know why, and

43:50

it's continued on 12 years later, but I've

43:52

just been irrationally against Samsung for some reason,

43:54

I have no idea why.

43:55

I have no idea why either, considering

43:57

they are like the number two.

44:00

to earn her for

44:02

the entire country of South Korea, first

44:05

of all. Well, I mean,

44:07

I have so much invested in the GDP of

44:09

South Korea.

44:11

I just mean to say they are a literal

44:13

powerhouse. Oh sure, yeah, I

44:15

know. And I have a Samsung oven, you know, I don't

44:17

know, but for some reason the phones have always, like

44:20

the touch whiz and the, like the

44:22

need to make the Samsung ecosystem has

44:24

always been an obstacle for me. I've never

44:27

wanted to jump in that way. Like

44:29

I definitely saw the, I saw it, like

44:31

one Jason, when we talk about, you know, looking at the

44:33

history of the last 13 years, one topic that we talked

44:36

a lot about was fragmentation. And

44:39

I was very obviously being a G1

44:41

user and very pro Google, you

44:43

know, continued on, you know, now 13 years later

44:45

with my, with my pixel, I

44:48

wanted one Android and I felt like

44:50

very early on Samsung was

44:52

already bifurcating Android into its

44:54

own thing. And I, and that never sat well

44:56

with me. Well, then it got in trouble.

44:58

And then Google started raining everything

45:00

in. And now it's

45:03

such a good player. Oh,

45:05

they're in cahoots now. Well,

45:08

to an extent, right? Cahoots-y. Because

45:11

Samsung still needs Android, right? Cahoots-ish.

45:13

To sell as many units as it does. It's nothing without

45:16

that Android operating system. Yep.

45:18

Which is tended to by Google. All

45:21

right, so then we place

45:23

votes. Of course it's in the Hall

45:25

of Fame. It not only started Android,

45:28

it started fragmentation. Oh,

45:30

right. Yeah, it's happening. They can hang a tablet.

45:32

Fragmentation, I'm in. It did good and bad.

45:34

Oh gosh. You said the F word. All right.

45:38

Yeah, whether you like it or not,

45:40

the S2 was an important device

45:42

for Android and for Samsung. Speaking

45:45

of Samsung,

45:46

we have the Note, the first of

45:48

the Note series happened the same

45:51

year, actually. This is the easiest

45:53

one. This is the easiest one. This is a fast

45:56

yes. This is

45:58

the, this is the, this is the start.

45:59

started the phablet as a product spot in the world.

46:04

It led to tablets and Jason

46:07

from a little all about Android history, this

46:09

led to Android in the wild because

46:11

we desperately wanted people to tell us if

46:13

they saw a note in the wild because

46:16

how many jokes about taking out this enormous

46:18

phone on the subway and whatever. It was

46:21

everything. The press was very negative

46:23

towards it. ZDNet said you'll look faintly ridiculous

46:26

making a call with the Galaxy Note. Android Central

46:29

said it was more of a technical

46:29

showcase than a product with mass

46:32

appeal. Slashgear said it was simply

46:34

too much to pocket for the average

46:36

user. It was a 5.3

46:39

inch display, which

46:41

when you hear that now, nothing

46:43

sounds like a small smaller. Oh

46:46

my God. But, but need I like

46:49

I should pull out like the Nexus

46:51

one just as as a in my hand

46:54

like example of what phones of the time

46:56

period look like. They were tiny. Oh,

46:59

I love my little

47:01

Nexus one with this cute little track ball. This

47:04

was a normal sized device. Yeah,

47:07

I love that phone. You know, and then I

47:09

mean, this is the

47:11

6P,

47:12

which by the way, I couldn't remember the unlock

47:14

code and so it factory reset and I

47:16

can't even look at that phone anyways. The

47:19

6P is much larger, probably larger than the note

47:21

that we're talking about. But

47:23

yeah, so interesting. Yeah. I

47:26

think I think the Galaxy Note is a no brainer.

47:28

It was it was Samsung going out

47:31

on a limb on something new, which as

47:33

they've proved over the years, they do

47:35

and they do pretty successfully. Yeah.

47:38

And even even when

47:40

mocked in the beginning, they still

47:42

proved that they were ahead

47:44

of the curve on this trend. Yep.

47:47

Yep. Agreed. So

47:49

that sounds like an easily sounds like an easy, easy winner. Easy. I

47:52

haven't swapped out the S Pen since I got my ultra

47:54

review unit. But you know, you know what? You don't have

47:57

to. I don't. If you if you want to,

47:59

it's there, but you don't. don't have to. No

48:01

one's, no one's telling you you got to just

48:04

cause it's there.

48:05

I'm so excited for the next one. All right. So 2011,

48:08

big year for Samsung, 2012, 2013.

48:12

That's the era that we're getting into right now.

48:14

Big for Google, the nexus, uh,

48:17

seven,

48:18

the first version of the nexus seven, which I have

48:20

over here and I could hold on. It's that

48:23

cracked one. Miss

48:27

it so much. Yeah. So

48:29

I can't turn it on cause it doesn't charge.

48:31

Um, if you see the crack on

48:33

the screen, it could have something to do with

48:35

it. But, uh, yeah, so this was

48:38

the nexus seven. This is the seven inch

48:40

tablet. The, uh, the tablet that

48:42

passed Ron's back pocket test

48:45

that was started the back pocket test started

48:47

the back. Yes. If a tablet can't fit Ron's back

48:49

pocket, then it's just not a tab on it. No, although

48:53

I don't know if your current tablet can actually fit here. It

48:55

cannot. It is much bigger than my back pocket. Like

49:00

the phones, the tablets have gotten bigger. The

49:02

seven, the seven was so great because what

49:04

was great was that it had such awesome single

49:07

hand feel. Yeah. Like you could, it

49:09

was great.

49:10

Like how you're holding it Jason, you could hold that tablet

49:12

in one hand and like it

49:14

for the first time, it felt like an Android tablet could

49:16

compete with a Kindle. That's what, that's what

49:19

really important. Yes. It was totally a Kindle competitor.

49:22

So by the way, I'm trying to like frame

49:24

it perfectly here. So this is, so

49:26

on my left is closed Z fold for

49:28

right. Z fold for the

49:31

nexus seven. Gosh, when you put them side

49:33

by side, they're really not much different in size.

49:35

Obviously the Z fold is a little

49:37

like wider, like,

49:39

you know, it just extends a little bit, but

49:41

it, but it makes up for, but Ron was saying thumb,

49:44

thumb tablet, tablet that you can thumb at. That's

49:46

why the foldables are doing so well because

49:49

well, although I have to say the single, the

49:51

single hand experience on the nexus seven,

49:53

definitely better than the single hand experience on the Z

49:56

fold for I still

49:58

with those foldables, they're wide enough.

49:59

that I feel like I'm going to drop it on an $1,800 device. I

50:02

don't like that feeling like carrying a Bible. Yeah.

50:05

Yeah. Yeah.

50:07

Um, that's true. Nexus seven 2012.

50:10

This was the first of two that Google

50:12

did. Actually, I had the other one.

50:13

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it that. That was the one that

50:16

I bought the second gen second gen,

50:18

uh, which is not broken,

50:20

but still also could not hold the charge black.

50:23

That's right. Or

50:24

they had the orange one too, though. Oh yeah.

50:26

They did. Yep. Uh, still

50:28

rocking, rocking the USB,

50:32

uh, the micro USB ports.

50:34

So we're not in the USB C era quite yet,

50:37

but I would say the, the initial is

50:39

the hall of fame worthy one, the Nexus

50:41

seven 2012. It

50:43

was part of, it was a part of a slew

50:46

of devices. What other devices did they announce

50:48

that year? I mean, that was a big year. Was

50:50

that the Nexus? Was that the Nexus four year? Yes.

50:53

Yeah, it was right. Yes.

50:55

Nexus four came out on November

50:57

13th, 2012. Yeah. Okay. So

51:00

you have the Nexus four, you have the tablet. Was

51:02

that the Nexus Q year? Nexus

51:06

Q is 2012. 2012. So that was

51:08

it. Yes. So it was the Nexus

51:10

seven. It was the Nexus four and it

51:12

was the Nexus Q. I do have the Q over there.

51:15

Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. No, no, no, no, no, no,

51:17

no, no, no, no, no, hang on. I got it. Okay. So

51:19

Google, talk about this, talk about, uh,

51:22

turn back the clock and memories. Google

51:24

was expected to launch the Nexus four in a press event

51:26

in New York city. However, the event was canceled

51:28

due to hurricane Sandy. Oh my gosh. Oh,

51:30

that's right.

51:32

And the Nexus four, along with Android

51:34

four dot two, the Nexus 10 tablet,

51:36

and the Nexus seven with cellular

51:39

network support was unveiled by

51:41

Google via a press release

51:43

on October 29th, 2012. Oh, we thought

51:45

that was so weird. Yeah. Do you remember the press

51:47

release? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So this is the

51:49

Nexus 10. There we

51:51

go. Got the Nexus 10. You

51:53

can see, and again, it would not hold a charge. I could

51:55

not charge it, but you can see the display is separating.

51:59

the Nexus seven came out at IO

52:02

in the spring and

52:04

the, and then then the Nexus four

52:07

and the Nexus 10 and the, and

52:09

the cellular version of the Nexus seven

52:11

came out that fall. This is for, I

52:13

got around here somewhere. So the

52:15

Nexus look at the back. Yeah, it's the four. There we go.

52:18

There's the four. See, and you know,

52:20

the next four, cause it's all sparkling. Oh, that's such a cool

52:22

effect. I always loved that. I remember this. Yeah,

52:24

that was cool. So the Nexus seven was revealed

52:27

in June 27th at Google IO,

52:29

along with Android version four. One

52:31

jelly bean, Hugo Barra.

52:34

That was such a year. What a year. And that, so that, so,

52:36

um, the

52:41

white edition of the Nexus seven was given a Google IO

52:43

attendees. I remember that along with

52:45

the galaxy Nexus with jelly bean, pre-installed

52:47

the Nexus Q and the Chrome box.

52:50

Oh yes. The Chrome box. Wait

52:52

a minute. The Chrome box. Why am I blanking on the Chrome

52:54

box? It was the desktop. Yeah. Oh

52:58

wow. I totally forgot about that thing. Because

53:01

PCs were doing at that time. So

53:03

they were trying really hard to like,

53:05

that's right. You know, man,

53:07

the Chrome box. Yeah, I forgot. All

53:09

right. I don't even think we have to ask the question on the Nexus

53:12

seven. That's,

53:13

that was a

53:14

monumental device, right? It was

53:16

a last great Android tablet. That's it.

53:19

Boom. Swish.

53:21

Nothing but net. Okay.

53:23

Um, all right. I feel like

53:26

I get it. Yeah, whatever. I'll just, Oh, well

53:28

this one, you have to take

53:30

care of them. Now you have the archive

53:32

of stuff. Go

53:35

home for audio listeners. Jason

53:37

is knocking over things on the table. I've

53:40

done spoiled technology here. I'm

53:43

going to handle the intro for this next device. Cause the

53:45

next device you have to,

53:47

this next device is the device that established

53:49

the all been Android hall of fame.

53:52

Cause it is the greatest single Android

53:54

phone in my opinion, ever in existence,

53:57

the Nexus five from 2013.

53:59

I would agree. Also came in right. I would agree.

54:02

It was the great rubberized

54:04

back like this tacky kind of but not too

54:06

tacky but like you got a good grip on it. I'll

54:09

put an asterisk on that but I'll answer

54:11

in a second.

54:12

I had like four of these phones. I just kept them

54:14

behind. You kept getting them. I remember that.

54:18

So yes it has the tax later the

54:20

tacky quality but what I've

54:23

come to learn over the years is this tacky quality

54:25

is great when you first get the device

54:28

and over time it gets sticky and

54:30

it starts to kind of peel away. It's like it's

54:32

it's weird. You almost have to at a certain point

54:34

that like a lot of audio gear has done

54:37

this in recent years and

54:39

it gets it just gets

54:41

gross and you

54:42

end up having to totally remove it with alcohol.

54:45

This phone is actually starting to feel a little

54:48

sticky. It's not quite peeling off yet

54:50

but so at least there's that but but

54:52

when it was new it felt really nice. I

54:55

found my last one in a box

54:57

recently and it was like it was gross to touch

54:59

like exactly that it happened but at the time

55:01

this phone was great. It was like

55:04

cutting edge of what was going on with with Android

55:06

at the time. It just felt like an

55:08

advancement in terms of like the the circular

55:11

camera on the back and just like

55:12

it just did so much right. Oh hey look

55:14

at that. I forgot I got a charge on this

55:16

one. Okay hey hello

55:19

look at that old version. Hello Super

55:23

SU because this is rooted.

55:26

Oh

55:26

so this is going to make some hackery. Yeah

55:28

well yeah for sure this is definitely late

55:32

mode. There's

55:34

no uh remember when there wasn't a dark mode. See

55:36

I'm not signed in. So there's

55:38

my my notifications.

55:41

We have a little quick settings pane. Oh sorry

55:43

I had the glare. Um

55:45

yeah there we go there we go

55:47

about

55:48

follow design. You know this is still

55:50

what the this is what the peloton settings look

55:52

like. It still has the holode design. The

55:55

peloton is built with Android. I

55:57

love that with Android tablets in the wild like um Pelotons

56:00

and then the the loo lemon

56:02

the loo lemon mirror the mirror.

56:05

Yeah. Yeah, they all are still on Hollow And

56:07

it's it's very nostalgic and lovely

56:12

Hidden

56:19

flappy bird game inside There

56:21

you go inside that yeah,

56:22

you can play flappy bird at a Dave and busters

56:25

now. Yeah I know tickets for tickets.

56:27

Yeah, that's a thing Oh, I did have the red one of these

56:29

and I covered it so bad and then I left it in

56:31

a cab in New York City And I was absolutely

56:34

devastated. I think I couldn't afford to buy a new one

56:38

That's things gotta be a hundred out, right?

56:40

Like, you know, it's

56:41

yeah, that's true. Yeah, I forgot there

56:44

were only 600 They

56:46

were $600 I

56:50

was like there were only 600. No, no, no.

56:52

No, wow. That's a very popular phone

56:54

item Okay.

56:56

So again Nexus 5 there's no question that

56:58

gets in there

56:59

for sure Yeah, it deserves to be there the

57:01

Chromecast dongle. Yes something

57:03

to consider. Yes. Oh my god This was also 2013

57:06

so 2013 was another Google

57:08

was was was kind of on a roll

57:11

at this time when it came to hardware They were doing

57:13

hardware But they weren't like saying like this

57:15

is our hardware necessarily

57:17

not in the way that they are now that they have a hardware Division

57:20

because you remember all the Nexus devices.

57:22

They weren't Google devices like the

57:24

Nexus 5 was an LG device Yeah

57:27

in collaboration with LG. I think Google

57:29

actually

57:29

did do

57:30

the Chrome They actually did do the Nexus Q

57:33

the year before so there were certain Hardware

57:35

efforts that they were willing to kind of put their entire

57:38

company must behind they were flirting

57:40

with hardware at this point Yeah, they were trying

57:42

they were they were exploring it But

57:44

under often under the guise of like Nexus

57:47

like this is made for developers

57:49

to test their

57:50

stuff Well, hold on, but this but this

57:52

came out this came out after Android

57:55

TV had been like rebranded two or three

57:57

times already

57:58

Yes, okay, and then they were

57:59

and we were like, what is this?

58:02

Which introduced-

58:03

Because I had an Android, a Google

58:05

TV or Android TV set-top box. Do you remember

58:07

I had that? That white box with the DVD player

58:10

and like stuff like that. And like, this was the future. And then

58:12

the next release was this little dongle, which is like

58:14

so far opposite of that, right? Yeah,

58:17

my husband-

58:17

Right. The same thing around. He bought all

58:19

the set-top boxes. They all ended up in the back

58:21

of the closet at some point. And then this wonderful $35

58:23

device comes out and

58:26

it's like, he's thankful, but also kind of cursing

58:28

in his head a little bit.

58:29

Like, why do I spend so much money on set-top boxes?

58:32

And then we bought like 15,000 like Google

58:34

Chromes for like, or Chromecast rather, for any

58:37

situation. Like we go over to visit our family.

58:40

Every house gets a Chromecast. We're

58:41

traveling, yeah. We're

58:43

staying in an Airbnb, bring the Chromecast. You

58:45

know, you can always watch your own stuff. There's 35,000

58:47

people. And they will do like, I mean, this plus

58:49

Chromecast as an app, like really,

58:53

talk about a game changer. It just made it that you could turn

58:55

any TV into powered by your phone, which is just

58:58

awesome. It did need a remote. It's amazing. Yeah,

59:00

it's funny. I'm looking on the table and I'm seeing over

59:03

here, the

59:04

Nexus player, which was the next year. This

59:07

was 2014, but this was Google

59:09

trying to do like. I completely forgot about that one.

59:11

Yeah, I forgot about that too. Of course, of course.

59:13

It didn't really last very long. Prior

59:16

to that, actually I have, this

59:18

is the ADT1, which I think came

59:21

out the same year as Chromecast,

59:23

possibly. This was like. Oh, that was the

59:26

reference model. This was the reference model. I can't

59:28

remember that. Yeah. And so I think this came

59:30

out same time as this as like

59:33

a standalone set top

59:35

reference model for developers. That ultimately,

59:37

if my memory is correct, led

59:40

to the Nexus player, which didn't really make much

59:42

of a dent of anything. No. The

59:44

puck. But anyways, the Chromecast dongle,

59:47

you can't argue with this tiny

59:49

little

59:50

inexpensive, but

59:53

just as powerful as you actually really need

59:55

to do what it's designed to do. Well, back

59:57

then. Back then. It was perfect.

1:00:00

started slowing or showing its age

1:00:02

once they kept introducing new models. I

1:00:05

have to say this is a pretty relevant device

1:00:08

to now because it was just a hand like

1:00:10

a couple of weeks ago that they

1:00:12

ended support for this thing. This thing

1:00:14

lasted 10 years.

1:00:17

Well, yeah, to an extent. Yes,

1:00:20

right. Before the end

1:00:22

of official support. I don't know how well it lasted

1:00:24

for 10 years but Google

1:00:26

only recently ended support for it. What

1:00:28

are we going to do with this stuff? Dude,

1:00:31

tell me about it. I don't know

1:00:33

what to do with all this stuff. Yeah,

1:00:35

I'm obviously drowning in stuff and I don't

1:00:37

know what to do with

1:00:38

it. They're good at turning your TV

1:00:40

into a picture frame. That's

1:00:43

about it. That's about it. Yeah, that's

1:00:45

about it. Okay, so Chromecast dongle.

1:00:47

What do we think?

1:00:48

Oh, Honda Peak. Hell yeah. I

1:00:50

have a feeling these are all just going to make

1:00:53

it and that's totally okay because we put

1:00:55

them in here for a reason. Okay,

1:00:58

this one I added. I wasn't sure how everybody was going

1:01:00

to feel about it, but the Moto X 2013 same year.

1:01:04

This was Motorola. I

1:01:07

only put this in here because I

1:01:10

remember being so like

1:01:13

entranced by this idea of customizing

1:01:16

your device. Moto maker

1:01:19

making it in Texas, American made

1:01:21

it was American made. That's right. The

1:01:24

story behind it was cool and then the

1:01:26

experience of ordering it was just so neat. It was

1:01:28

like, wait a minute. I can write something

1:01:31

on it. I can choose my

1:01:33

own like unique color combinations

1:01:36

and you weren't seeing that. You were seeing a lot of black

1:01:38

devices and then along comes

1:01:40

the Moto X and it's like, no, what do you want your device

1:01:42

to look like? Make it. Well,

1:01:44

and then I will I was on the fence

1:01:46

with this until I went back and reread

1:01:48

it and forgot that it was $199. Oh,

1:01:52

that's right. It was. Yes,

1:01:55

relatively cheap. Oh, no. So it really started

1:01:57

the low range phone.

1:02:00

You know, like the mid range. Dang, that's incredible that

1:02:02

cost.

1:02:03

The mid range didn't exist at this point.

1:02:05

It was all, there was no, it was all flagships

1:02:08

and like flagships hadn't gotten crazy yet

1:02:10

at that point either too. Like it was, phones were

1:02:12

five, you know, five, you know, 599 or whatever, like

1:02:15

we were talking earlier, but this

1:02:17

was super affordable and started the low

1:02:19

end or mid range as a product unit.

1:02:21

So like, while I was, I was like, and

1:02:24

Moto X, I think I'm a yes. Did

1:02:26

it? No,

1:02:27

I don't really think it started it. I

1:02:30

don't know. I guess. It bolstered it. It

1:02:33

didn't, it didn't bolster it. Let's

1:02:35

not forget the Moto X was not a good phone. Oh,

1:02:39

it was not a good, I reviewed

1:02:41

it and it was not a good phone. I disagree. We

1:02:43

had one. The camera was really

1:02:46

bad. The features, the software features

1:02:48

that Motorola included. But the camera

1:02:50

was atrocious. It was

1:02:52

so bad. But, but Flo, most

1:02:55

cameras were atrocious, atrocious in phones at that time.

1:02:57

I still got something better in a Samsung

1:03:00

than you did in this Moto X. I'm sure you did. This

1:03:02

was also a $200 device. Right?

1:03:06

Was it $200? Because I could have

1:03:08

sworn paying more for mine when

1:03:10

I bought it. I don't know. That

1:03:12

sounds low to me. I can't remember how

1:03:14

much it was. The article that we referenced

1:03:17

in the doc here, it says from the verge,

1:03:19

and that was the review. It says when it becomes available on all four

1:03:21

carriers for roughly 199 with a two

1:03:24

year contract.

1:03:24

199 with a two year contract.

1:03:28

But how much was it outright? Sure,

1:03:30

yeah. Unlocked. Unlocked cost.

1:03:33

So it was not $200. It was $200 subsidized.

1:03:36

But you know, sometimes that's

1:03:38

just how phones were sold though, again. That's how

1:03:40

phones were sold. This is a different time. So

1:03:43

keep in mind, like I'm looking right now at alphard.com,

1:03:47

best cheap mobile phones for 2013. And

1:03:49

we're talking like the Nokia Lumia 520

1:03:54

Remember those windows panels,

1:03:56

right? Yep. And the

1:03:59

Samsung Galaxy. Galaxy S3 Mini and

1:04:01

the HTC Windows phone. So like in

1:04:04

terms of affordability, it really wasn't,

1:04:07

you know, like the Galaxy S3 Mini was the only

1:04:09

one out there. Remember the S3 Mini by the way? 480 by 800

1:04:12

resolution on the screen.

1:04:15

So I just brought up my

1:04:17

order confirmation for my Moto X,

1:04:19

customized Moto X. And I pay for it outright.

1:04:22

Go ahead. For an unlocked 19 Mobile Sim, 575.

1:04:25

That's what I thought. That makes more

1:04:28

sense. All right, I'm a no then. I'm a no on

1:04:30

the Moto X then. That makes more sense. Yeah,

1:04:33

I knew this was a, this could be a controversial one. It was

1:04:35

an interesting phone, yes, for the Android

1:04:37

ecosystem, but it didn't like move the needle

1:04:39

for, it didn't move the needle for us.

1:04:43

Right. And also I think that S3 Mini was only available

1:04:45

overseas.

1:04:48

She loved her Moto X. And the

1:04:50

fact, and the, I also, and I'm

1:04:52

willing to accept that it's not part of the Hall of Fame, but

1:04:54

I remember when it came out, how excited

1:04:56

we were about

1:04:58

the software, like the flip to do

1:05:00

the camera. The flip to camera.

1:05:02

The fact that the OS experience

1:05:05

was like close to vanilla, like

1:05:07

it did a lot of things right. And

1:05:10

it was unique in its own right.

1:05:12

That's kind of, and I will also admit,

1:05:14

there's an emotional component to it because we had

1:05:16

it in the house. And I remember it was just like, I'm the same, I

1:05:18

love mine. But it definitely did start Motorola on

1:05:20

the path that it kind of still is

1:05:22

on now, right? Like of where

1:05:25

they fit in the market after

1:05:27

a lot of identity crisis

1:05:28

and corporate

1:05:30

maneuvering and things like that. So yeah.

1:05:32

All right. So this is, I mean, it sounds like

1:05:34

this is a no. I'm kind of like

1:05:37

on the fence at this point. How do you feel when you

1:05:39

had one of these?

1:05:40

I had one. I loved it for all the reasons you loved

1:05:42

it. I love the gestures. I did love that it was fairly

1:05:45

close to stock Android cause that's always important. That

1:05:47

was extra important to me back then. But I

1:05:50

do feel like it's like a personal bias. And I

1:05:53

think,

1:05:54

if we're going for game changing, no,

1:05:56

even though I love it. This wouldn't have a rock

1:05:58

of, Hall of Rock, Rock

1:06:01

Hall of Fame special. It

1:06:03

wouldn't have a Rock Hall of Fame special. Yes,

1:06:07

that's what I'm trying to say. Yes. And

1:06:10

if it did, people would be like, what is a Moto X? Yeah,

1:06:12

no, you're right. All right.

1:06:14

But the next one. Okay, all right. This

1:06:16

is kind of similar, but this, okay.

1:06:19

All right, so let's- The next one is- Yeah. The

1:06:22

next one, the next

1:06:24

one. Game changer. Game changer. I couldn't

1:06:27

have put it better myself, the next one. The

1:06:29

HTC One, also known as the M7,

1:06:31

also 2013, 2013. Pretty

1:06:34

crazy year, lots of stuff going on in Android apparently.

1:06:38

This device- Game

1:06:40

changer. Remember at the time,

1:06:42

HTC was the company that was putting out

1:06:44

Android phones of a quality from

1:06:47

like a build perspective, a design

1:06:49

perspective. That was different than

1:06:51

what we were seeing from Samsung. Samsung, a lot of their

1:06:53

devices had a

1:06:54

very plastic-y thing going. I

1:06:58

remember when HTC was coming out, me

1:07:00

being very anti-plastic when

1:07:02

I started to see the HTC build

1:07:05

and being, and of course, I think the iPhone

1:07:07

at the time probably influenced that too. iPhone

1:07:09

was using aluminum materials, and now you've

1:07:11

got HTC One coming out with aluminum, full

1:07:14

body build. And so,

1:07:16

yeah, it was a trend.

1:07:19

It furthered the trend of the full

1:07:21

unibody

1:07:22

metal device design.

1:07:25

You saw them everywhere.

1:07:27

Maybe we should ding

1:07:30

it for that then. Well- No,

1:07:32

not at the time. I see where

1:07:34

you're coming from. Go back

1:07:37

in time. At the time, this phone was a game

1:07:39

changer. It looked different than everything. It

1:07:42

pushed HTC out of whatever

1:07:44

bucket they were in at that point, which was like an afterthought.

1:07:48

Remember Jason, the phone with

1:07:51

the dongle that lit up?

1:07:53

Oh, yes, the friend. Yeah,

1:07:56

yeah, right? Something

1:07:58

with a friend, yeah.

1:07:59

HTC was a punchline until

1:08:02

this phone

1:08:03

and it really, and

1:08:05

this was about the time that I know

1:08:08

I started, kind of rebelling against

1:08:10

phones, all the phones looking the same and

1:08:12

they give me a phone that looks different and stuff like that. Like

1:08:14

this one, this one may just stop and take notice.

1:08:17

This one, this is a definite yes for me.

1:08:22

Okay, so how do we, because

1:08:24

yes, I think that's important to

1:08:26

note because we actually talked about this

1:08:28

on a previous episode where this came

1:08:30

up and I think we had the same conversation. It

1:08:32

was like, on one hand, yes, it was a

1:08:34

big deal and it set the trend. It was the first

1:08:36

to do this design. On the other hand, we ended up then

1:08:39

seeing a million phones that all looked

1:08:41

the same that were modeled after this,

1:08:43

but

1:08:44

it was influential, obviously. It was influential,

1:08:46

yeah, that's my argument.

1:08:48

Yeah,

1:08:49

yeah, okay. How do we feel about that?

1:08:53

Where's HTC now? Not

1:08:57

doing so hot. Not doing so great.

1:08:59

Not good, Bob.

1:09:01

Let's see, what is on their homepage right now? Oh

1:09:03

boy. Right now on their

1:09:05

homepage is the Vive XR Elite

1:09:07

VR headset. Yeah. Okay, so. I'm

1:09:10

not. But hang on, hang on, they do have the HTC

1:09:13

Exodus block phone.

1:09:16

The largest crypto exchange meets the Swiss bank

1:09:18

in your pocket. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. With Binance.

1:09:21

Yeah, so boy. By the way,

1:09:23

the dongle was part of the HTC

1:09:25

Bliss.

1:09:26

Yeah, that was the Android phone

1:09:28

for women. It came with a pink

1:09:30

headphones and it came with a cute

1:09:33

little pink light up key

1:09:35

chain.

1:09:35

Yes, and the idea was

1:09:37

that when your phone was in your purse,

1:09:40

the light up key chain would be on the

1:09:42

outside of the purse and it would blink when

1:09:44

you got a call.

1:09:45

Hello, are you calling

1:09:47

me? But

1:09:50

it had a name. I'm trying to find the name

1:09:52

for the little dongle thing. I know

1:09:54

it's gotta be in here. Yeah.

1:09:57

Totally, they had a name. It was a. It

1:09:59

did.

1:09:59

Oh, I can't find it. I'm going

1:10:02

to have to give up because all the shows going long.

1:10:04

But anyways, okay. All

1:10:06

right. So sounds like, well,

1:10:09

I don't know. Are we, are we yes or no? No,

1:10:13

because outside of us, nobody

1:10:15

knows anything about this. Jason, I'm

1:10:17

sorry. It's the

1:10:19

hang on. I'm sorry. The cube device was a charm

1:10:21

indicator charm charm. That's what it

1:10:23

was. It was the charm. Okay.

1:10:26

I don't know that it always has to boil down

1:10:28

to do the masses of the

1:10:30

world know the device like,

1:10:34

I mean, that's that's a great. That's a great reason

1:10:36

for some of them. But for some of them other ones

1:10:38

like did they create a trend?

1:10:41

Did they have some sort of influence over

1:10:43

Android? HTC's one.

1:10:44

Do we think Samsung phones got better

1:10:46

once this phone came out?

1:10:48

Yes, I do. Yeah. Yes. I think

1:10:51

all phones did.

1:10:52

I was a it was

1:10:54

another player in the arena that

1:10:57

could actually hold its own and pull

1:10:59

market share away. Yes. I think I think

1:11:01

HTC made everybody step up their game with this phone.

1:11:04

I think build quality of certain. Yeah elevated.

1:11:07

Yeah after this phone. And

1:11:09

then they've kind of corrected and plastics

1:11:12

become okay again. You know what I mean? It's

1:11:14

it's kind of like it turned plastic into

1:11:17

it helped to turn plastic into a bad word,

1:11:20

which is you know, depending on how you

1:11:22

feel about plastic design a good or a bad

1:11:24

thing. Thankfully things have recalibrated

1:11:27

but

1:11:28

yeah, it influenced things.

1:11:30

That's that's why I think but

1:11:32

all right, but I mean it could be I

1:11:35

mean if it's if it's not even like

1:11:36

a special mention, okay

1:11:38

honorable mention. We'll put that in there.

1:11:41

The end of the Android Museum like

1:11:43

honorable mentions at the All

1:11:46

right. All right. Oh boy. This is a

1:11:48

long episode you guys. This is

1:11:50

literally we'll

1:11:53

go faster. Absolutely a quick thing.

1:11:56

Okay. I

1:11:58

put the one plus one in. Not

1:12:00

because a million people just made

1:12:02

so happy was that I made Carl pay

1:12:04

so happy Hey in the Android

1:12:06

world it

1:12:07

that was an exciting

1:12:09

It

1:12:12

was and I have it somewhere here where

1:12:15

are you? Remember

1:12:18

that back that back it's

1:12:20

like yeah, it's kind of concrete

1:12:22

but soft concrete Show

1:12:24

this show this what does that say cyanogen?

1:12:27

Right, hang on that's in the app. Hang on

1:12:29

that's in the app stone. I don't know Hint

1:12:34

to it.

1:12:35

I mean this was this

1:12:37

was a lot of phone

1:12:38

from a note from a nobody

1:12:41

For not very much

1:12:43

money and and when when

1:12:45

when Gina Trapani got it as her

1:12:47

daily driver that made me take notice Because

1:12:50

she's someone she was so she's still

1:12:52

to this day someone whose opinion I valued and

1:12:54

I was like, oh if this phone is good enough for her Then this

1:12:56

is probably worth checking out and I mean

1:12:58

it established one one plus

1:13:00

one plus is still kicking They're still here whether whether you like

1:13:03

them or not.

1:13:03

Well, and they have B became money behind them. That's

1:13:05

helping Yeah, so one plus is

1:13:07

definitely I would say a different

1:13:10

a different company now than they were then

1:13:12

as far as their strategy for phones You're

1:13:14

back then and for many years. They were

1:13:16

really appealing to The

1:13:18

hardcore Enthusiast

1:13:21

they still do they do but they've

1:13:24

they've broadened out to want to

1:13:26

be more than that at this point

1:13:28

well, you can go into a carrier store and find

1:13:30

their low-end nords and

1:13:34

You know what I mean? Like yes, but they're still the only Like

1:13:37

phone company right now. That's just

1:13:39

you know, trying to be a little more

1:13:42

Different than trying

1:13:44

to offer something to think different Anyway,

1:13:49

they've done very well with establishing Establishing

1:13:52

themselves is like if you're a real Android nerd

1:13:54

then you're probably gonna get something extra out of a one-plus

1:13:57

device Yeah,

1:13:57

yeah, I think Nowadays,

1:14:01

maybe that story has

1:14:03

gotten harder for me

1:14:05

to

1:14:06

see with ease the way it was then,

1:14:09

if that makes sense. Then it was really,

1:14:11

you know, I mean, case

1:14:13

in point, Cyanogen's on the back of this phone. Like they

1:14:16

had a very specific user that they were targeting

1:14:19

in the early days, and that got all of

1:14:21

us very excited. And not

1:14:23

only that, like it was like the design. I

1:14:25

remember the design just being super impressed

1:14:27

by it and it's inexpensive. And, you

1:14:29

know, the only

1:14:30

thing they really messed up at the time,

1:14:33

I remember was their marketing. Their

1:14:35

marketing. Remember those? They made

1:14:37

a lot of mistakes, but it's been X number

1:14:39

of days since the marketing blunder by OnePlus. But

1:14:45

again, this also is an emotional,

1:14:47

I realized, entry for me. Like I was

1:14:49

a big fan of the

1:14:50

one plus one. Well, yeah,

1:14:52

no, but I do like the HTC one, the OnePlus

1:14:55

one introduced another player into the

1:14:57

field where it like, we watched this grow

1:15:00

from just talking about Samsung phones

1:15:02

to, you know, whatever Google phones were. Now

1:15:04

we had HTC, now we have OnePlus one. Like

1:15:06

there was a nice time period between 2014

1:15:09

and today, even to this day, where

1:15:12

there was, it wasn't just one or two

1:15:14

companies putting out phones of note. No,

1:15:17

I think that's

1:15:17

a good point. I think they showed that it doesn't have to

1:15:19

be a big player. And so it's kind of, it's

1:15:21

kind of noteworthy in my mind for that.

1:15:23

Like we were my husband. Yeah, for sure. It

1:15:26

doesn't

1:15:26

have to be like, we weren't used

1:15:28

to seeing a brand new company out of nowhere

1:15:31

come out with a phone

1:15:33

that captured the imagination

1:15:36

that delivered on the promise like, you

1:15:38

know, that, that you didn't have to spend an arm

1:15:40

and a leg to get. Like, it was a lot

1:15:43

very suddenly from this company we had never heard

1:15:45

of. And we all took notice. We

1:15:47

did. And so that's why I nominate

1:15:50

the OnePlus one for the hall of

1:15:52

fame.

1:15:53

How do we feel about it? Yes.

1:15:55

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:58

Okay. The Nvidia

1:16:00

shield, not an Android

1:16:03

device specifically. Well,

1:16:07

not an Android phone. Still going strong. I

1:16:10

know.

1:16:11

Yeah, still going strong. You gotta give it Nvidia shield credit.

1:16:14

That old hardware still rocking. It

1:16:16

is. Although are they supporting the very, very first

1:16:18

one still anymore? I think they dropped support for it, but

1:16:20

it still might be working, but still

1:16:22

that was 2015. Oh, I don't

1:16:23

remember, but the people who are buying shield

1:16:26

TVs or buying them because they

1:16:28

have media servers at home, they have things they

1:16:30

want to do. So I don't think it matters

1:16:33

if it's being supported or not.

1:16:36

Yeah. So

1:16:39

yeah, so I mean, this might be a,

1:16:42

you know, this might be an on the fence

1:16:44

device as well, but we've, as far as

1:16:46

this show is concerned, it's certainly come

1:16:49

up a lot of times about

1:16:51

us praising it for

1:16:53

its ability to deliver Android

1:16:55

TV, Google TV, whatever

1:16:58

it is at any given point successfully

1:17:01

in a way that makes sense compared to a lot

1:17:03

of others in the field that did it very poorly.

1:17:06

And the just like unending support

1:17:09

for it has been something

1:17:11

worthy of noting. Okay. So in the Android

1:17:13

creation museum, which

1:17:16

is not at all problematic, by

1:17:18

the way, like the actual creation museum,

1:17:21

you would run into the Nexus

1:17:24

shield TV, probably midway

1:17:27

it would be a diorama, right?

1:17:29

A diorama of devices

1:17:31

not made by Google that

1:17:34

carried the ecosystem, carried their respective.

1:17:36

There's a whole section about entertainment,

1:17:39

right? Entertainment devices and like to the

1:17:41

TV and like the lean back experience.

1:17:44

It's a very dark section. Yeah.

1:17:47

Yeah. The

1:17:50

shield is important. I think the

1:17:52

shield gave legitimacy to Android TV, I

1:17:54

think to a certain degree.

1:17:55

It helps Android TV stay. Exactly.

1:17:59

was a weird

1:18:02

little thing with their set-top box, with

1:18:04

the remote that was a keyboard and all that sort of

1:18:06

stuff. And the

1:18:09

moment that another company like Nvidia

1:18:11

picked up on it and said, no, we think we can do something with this,

1:18:15

I think it gave it legitimacy. And just the

1:18:17

fact that the product line

1:18:20

is still going, it's still high quality,

1:18:22

it's still one of the best set-top boxes you can

1:18:24

get for your buck, bang for your buck. Remind

1:18:26

everybody, don't use the apps in your TV, get

1:18:29

a set-top box, plug

1:18:29

it in that way, you've control over it and can update it and

1:18:32

all that sort of thing. And the Shield, you can't go wrong

1:18:34

with it. So I think the Shield's

1:18:36

important in terms of the, I would put the

1:18:38

Shield in over the original white

1:18:41

DVD player Google TV box that I had. Oh,

1:18:44

I forgot about that thing. Yeah.

1:18:47

Yeah, oh, for sure. Like, yeah, see,

1:18:49

I forgot about that thing. I didn't forget about this. Okay,

1:18:53

so Shield TV, yay,

1:18:55

nay. It's

1:18:57

in the special mention section. Another

1:19:00

honorable mention?

1:19:01

Okay. Yeah, I'll give it a,

1:19:03

just because it's not phoned, yeah, like that's what

1:19:06

it's fun to do. I give it that too. I

1:19:08

think it deserves to be there. Okay, so then

1:19:11

we're rounding things out here. We have three more. Yes.

1:19:14

Well, this took a lot longer than I thought it was gonna

1:19:16

be, but that's okay. It doesn't matter, because

1:19:19

this is all you get after tonight. Pixel

1:19:21

one, is pixel one the right pixel?

1:19:24

If we were to pick a pixel to say, Yeah,

1:19:26

pick a pixel. Pick a pixel. Pick

1:19:28

a pixel.

1:19:29

So where did this pixel come from?

1:19:32

This blue one. Oh, that is Burke's.

1:19:34

Burke, this is my pixel

1:19:37

that I sold to Burke. Oh, is it? Yes.

1:19:40

Wow. And this is a pixel one?

1:19:41

Yes. Okay, that's what I thought. And

1:19:44

you couldn't remember

1:19:45

if it was one or- Burke, I thought you got

1:19:47

rid of this phone. I thought you got rid

1:19:49

of it and that it died.

1:19:51

I didn't know he still had it.

1:19:52

I took this phone around the world. It died

1:19:55

and went into Jason's graveyard. No,

1:19:57

this went into Burke's graveyard. He brought in a few.

1:19:59

So yeah, this is not really

1:20:02

glad Burke still kept it. That's a beautiful

1:20:04

phone. Yeah. This was a special one.

1:20:06

I bought it with like, it didn't even have as much storage

1:20:09

as the other ones. And I still bought it because I just turned

1:20:10

blue. Because of the color. Yeah.

1:20:12

Well, you know what? You wouldn't have this color without

1:20:14

the Moto X in 2013. Oh.

1:20:18

Wow. Yeah, that's right. Burke's just,

1:20:22

yeah, Burke came in to say it boot looped. And I

1:20:24

remember feeling really bad for selling him this phone. That

1:20:26

was boot looping. That's

1:20:28

funny. There's something about the design

1:20:30

on this thing. Like it's got this nice little

1:20:33

indentation. It's not just flat. And then feel

1:20:35

the ridges on the buttons. I know. It just

1:20:37

feels nice. This is a nice feeling phone.

1:20:39

I took this phone to Iceland. Sorry

1:20:41

to be groping this phone, but it's just so nice.

1:20:44

This was my only camera in New

1:20:46

Zealand and in Iceland. And I didn't regret

1:20:48

it. No, you wouldn't regret it. The pixels

1:20:50

have always had excellent pictures.

1:20:53

Excellent camera. Now I would. Now.

1:20:56

Now I feel very differently. I

1:20:59

feel very differently now. I don't know. I

1:21:01

don't totally agree, but I understand

1:21:03

what you're saying. It's maybe it's different. I don't

1:21:06

know. I have a great success. I mean, I've

1:21:08

gone back to like needing a, if I'm going

1:21:10

on vacation or something, I need an extra cam. I

1:21:12

need a real camera. Got it. Yeah.

1:21:15

And that's a bummer. Jason, go back to your original question of,

1:21:17

is this the right pixel? Well, yeah.

1:21:20

I mean, that was, that was my question. Like there, there've been a lot

1:21:22

of pixels. I've, I've enjoyed most of them.

1:21:24

Like I was like when I was trying to pick a pixel,

1:21:27

keep saying it. It's going to crack me

1:21:29

up every time. I was

1:21:32

like, I don't know. Like is the two

1:21:34

a better phone than one or is one notable

1:21:37

because one was the first or I don't know

1:21:39

what model had. What model was the first XL? Was

1:21:44

it the two or the three? Whenever

1:21:47

they, whenever they jumped the size,

1:21:50

cause I feel like that was a notable moment. Yeah.

1:21:53

Two XL. Yeah. Hmm.

1:21:55

I feel like that was a moment in time.

1:21:58

Yeah. Six inch. OLED

1:22:01

display. Yeah,

1:22:04

so the two is the XL. I

1:22:07

don't know. I mean, I've had every pixel

1:22:09

and I loved the one. Like

1:22:12

I remember when they announced it and looking

1:22:14

at it and just being like, finally, this

1:22:17

is like, this is my phone. It was

1:22:19

very exciting. It was very exciting. Yeah.

1:22:22

And I feel like it delivered

1:22:24

like it was just, it's just a nice, like

1:22:27

I'm holding here. I'm like, this is a nice flipping phone.

1:22:30

Even it's not a flipping phone, Jason.

1:22:33

No, you're right. It's not a flip a fall, but it's a flipping

1:22:35

phone. Oh, Hey, look at that hole on

1:22:37

the top. Oh yeah. It's got a headphone.

1:22:40

Oh, courage port. What's that? Courage

1:22:42

port. We are in the USB-C era by the way. I

1:22:45

think

1:22:45

this was after the EU made that

1:22:47

ruling. Oh, is it? Was it? Wow.

1:22:51

Did they make that ruling that early? Um, camera.

1:22:53

I mean, on this, a single camera, but

1:22:55

it was a single great camera.

1:22:57

Look how small that is compared to

1:22:59

the pixel now that has those giant

1:23:01

lenses. Look at that. Look at the lenses.

1:23:04

Look at the lenses they put on the back of phones

1:23:06

now. Like, come

1:23:07

on. But how much

1:23:09

of that is the lens versus like the, you know

1:23:12

what I mean? Like that, please don't mind how dirty

1:23:14

this is. It's very well dirty. Well loved. This

1:23:17

table is full of fingerprints. Um,

1:23:20

all right. So then it sounds like pixel one. I mean,

1:23:22

unless we can make a case for any of the other devices,

1:23:25

but I think the, the one started,

1:23:26

the one started at all Google's hardware.

1:23:29

There was a pixel XL. I think I

1:23:31

might be wrong. Like there was a little,

1:23:34

wasn't it this one? Oh,

1:23:36

this might be a pixel. This one was the pixel. There was

1:23:38

a pixel XL and it was the first, it was the first made

1:23:40

by Google. So

1:23:43

that's also noteworthy when they kind of, right? So

1:23:45

yeah, there's both a 12.3 megapixel camera.

1:23:48

Um,

1:23:51

yeah. Okay. All

1:23:53

right. All right. I'm game for that. Uh,

1:23:56

so that's a yes. Uh,

1:23:59

okay.

1:23:59

We talked a lot about the A series in

1:24:02

the past.

1:24:03

And then again, the

1:24:05

question, oh, I don't think I do. No,

1:24:08

I don't have these. Cause you got the pretty purple

1:24:10

one. Cause we

1:24:13

both got ours at Google IO. I

1:24:16

got the pretty purple one? Yes. I don't

1:24:18

remember the pretty purple. Or maybe I got the pretty purple one. Pretty

1:24:22

purple.

1:24:23

Pretty purple pixel. Pretty

1:24:25

purple pixel for A or 3A. Which

1:24:29

is the right one? I don't know. It was 3A. 3A

1:24:32

was the one that was the launch one. That was the pretty

1:24:35

one. Pretty purple one with the neon.

1:24:37

Mine is white with

1:24:40

an orange accent. Oh, they gave you that one. Yeah,

1:24:42

they gave me that one. So

1:24:44

is that the right one? The 3A or the 4A? It's

1:24:47

the 3A. I mean, the 3A was the first one. 3A

1:24:50

was the first one, but was the 4A the one that made the difference?

1:24:53

I mean, was the 4A better? Yeah, I don't know.

1:24:55

Between these two, I almost feel like the

1:24:58

4A was 2020. The 3A was 2019, I'm assuming.

1:25:01

I didn't write that

1:25:01

down. It was 2019. We're

1:25:04

getting so close that it's kind of hard to

1:25:06

have the distance of time

1:25:08

to make the finances.

1:25:09

Well, I feel like the 3A should go into

1:25:11

the Hall of Fame, though, because that was

1:25:13

the first A series that

1:25:15

showed us what Google was gonna do with

1:25:18

this phone line that it was working

1:25:21

on.

1:25:21

See, Quippy Quintin

1:25:23

Discord says, you got it right, the 4A convinced

1:25:26

me to buy in. See, that's why

1:25:28

I think the 3A was

1:25:30

a novelty, the 4A cemented it.

1:25:33

That's kind of my thought. Yeah, I mean,

1:25:35

the 3A was great phone. I still have

1:25:38

it and it was great. 4A, yeah,

1:25:41

I don't know. My memory is

1:25:43

foggy on this. Did you have any of the A series,

1:25:45

when?

1:25:46

No, I didn't. My husband bought them

1:25:48

for his mom, I think,

1:25:50

but no, we kind of- Right, they were

1:25:53

great buys for like, the

1:25:55

parent needs a phone. It was like, I need a phone, what should I

1:25:57

get? I'll get the A series. You'll be fine. It

1:25:59

takes-

1:25:59

Great pictures, you don't have to spend a lot

1:26:02

for it. Yes, and now they're the phones for

1:26:04

the person who wants to be online, but not

1:26:06

really online. Not like two

1:26:09

online? Yeah. That's

1:26:12

what I've learned anyway. Like the people who ask me if they

1:26:14

should get the A series. It's because they don't want

1:26:16

to spend a lot of money. Cousin Jia

1:26:18

says, I thought the 4A had a bunch of problems.

1:26:22

Oh yeah, plus the 4A 5G. 4A

1:26:24

5G confusion. Okay, then through

1:26:27

that lens. So maybe it's a 3A, maybe it's a 3A.

1:26:30

All right,

1:26:31

do we feel- It came in purple. Do we feel it was

1:26:33

a 3A? It might be like an A, an A should be in there for sure.

1:26:35

So it was a 3A, yeah. It has

1:26:37

made- I knew it wasn't the 5A, right? The 5A

1:26:40

was no good. It was definitely not the 5A. 5A

1:26:42

is not. And 6A is two recent, so

1:26:44

yeah. Right, exactly. Well,

1:26:46

and then finally, where are we right

1:26:48

now? We're at Samsung's foldables. And when

1:26:51

we thought about that, we were like, okay, so these are game

1:26:53

changers. So they kind of qualify for

1:26:57

the criteria that you spelled out, Ron. And

1:26:59

then I spent out, you know, a game

1:27:01

changer, momentum changer, still

1:27:04

not, I wouldn't say foldables are

1:27:06

ubiquitous at this point. No,

1:27:08

not at all. They're getting there. You know, history

1:27:10

will tell the tale 10 years from now

1:27:13

with whatever, you know, Android show is around there. Maybe

1:27:15

three years from now.

1:27:17

Yeah. Maybe three years. Let's give it three

1:27:19

years. But if we had, but we

1:27:21

have the, I feel like we have the knowledge that

1:27:23

Samsung's foldables are excellent

1:27:26

examples of this trend. They

1:27:29

did it the best, the earliest. There were

1:27:31

a lot of, there were other foldables, but they weren't

1:27:33

as good as what Samsung was doing. The argument

1:27:35

I would make about the Samsung foldables is that they,

1:27:38

especially we specified here, the Samsung

1:27:40

Z Flip 3. That was the one that we landed

1:27:42

on. Yeah. We landed on the Samsung Z Flip 3

1:27:44

is the nominee because it's the

1:27:46

best selling of the flip

1:27:48

and the fold or say

1:27:49

what you will about the format. But

1:27:51

in terms of resonating with customers, you know,

1:27:54

they sold, you know, upwards of 10 million or whatever.

1:27:56

They're moving units on this, but the efforts

1:27:59

by Samsung with this.

1:27:59

Z series took foldables from a

1:28:02

proof of concept novelty to

1:28:04

actually something that was resonating and is

1:28:07

common in carrier stores and

1:28:09

is an option for people to buy for phones. And

1:28:11

once they started seeing these phones on

1:28:14

TV,

1:28:15

like being used like in narrative shows,

1:28:17

I was like, okay, it's landing, it's working. And

1:28:19

the Z Flip

1:28:20

was the first $999 sub thousand dollar

1:28:24

foldable device, a

1:28:26

major foldable device. So

1:28:28

that goes a long way to, you know, and it

1:28:30

was the highest selling Samsung foldable

1:28:33

from my understanding was the Z Flip 3. So

1:28:35

well, it's, you know, a lot

1:28:38

less than an $1,800. Well, precisely

1:28:41

that, like technologically speaking,

1:28:43

the Z Fold is pretty impressive,

1:28:46

but still, you know, still

1:28:48

kind of feels like that device that appeals

1:28:51

to a certain group of people that have a ton of money

1:28:53

that very specific needs. I

1:28:55

know you love yours when I know you have

1:28:57

loved yours.

1:28:58

Love mine. Great.

1:29:00

But I do agree. Yeah. I

1:29:02

do agree with Z Flip 3. I think it's the one that

1:29:05

is the most accessible. And I think Samsung

1:29:07

has definitely, I mean, so many people have copied the

1:29:09

flip or taken, you know, inspiration

1:29:12

from the flip, like Motorola is

1:29:15

the Motorola razor plus is what it is because, because

1:29:17

of the Z Flip 3, because of the success of Z Flip 3,

1:29:20

because Motorola started with their weird call

1:29:22

back to the old razor phone and then they saw what actually

1:29:25

was selling. And now they've leapfrogged over

1:29:27

Samsung, it seems like in terms of design. So

1:29:29

I would definitely give the Z Flip 3 credit

1:29:31

for that

1:29:32

because I mean, everything like they,

1:29:34

they, they demonstrated that this form factor is

1:29:36

what people want. People will buy it. And now everybody's

1:29:38

doing flip flippables just with their own little

1:29:41

tip.

1:29:42

Totally flippable.

1:29:44

All right. So it sounds like that's in. And

1:29:46

I will say we were, we, I was bullish

1:29:49

on foldables years ago. We

1:29:51

were saying that this is going to be a thing and we joked

1:29:53

and laughed about it and here we are. And sure

1:29:55

enough, they are a thing. So they

1:29:57

are. They continue to be a thing. a

1:30:00

Ford, a fold.

1:30:04

It's as much as a laptop. Yeah.

1:30:07

And the one I like, I wouldn't- I would not buy a fold. And

1:30:09

I wouldn't want the minimum. I wouldn't

1:30:11

want the minimum. What

1:30:14

do you mean by that? Like the minimum storage

1:30:16

space. Like I would have to buy a tier up. You

1:30:18

would tier up. So I have to spend at least $2,000. Yeah,

1:30:22

I'm not spending $2,000. Which is a laptop. I'm

1:30:25

not. I am fine.

1:30:27

But it's really hard. It's

1:30:30

really hard without it.

1:30:32

Once you're very used to it.

1:30:34

The fold? Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:30:38

I guess just don't get used to it. Well, I'm ruined.

1:30:41

I've been spoiled. It's

1:30:44

like when the displays got high

1:30:46

def and everything. And then once your eyes got

1:30:48

used to the high def. I remember looking at

1:30:50

my display, my first few high

1:30:53

def displays and seeing the little avatars

1:30:55

unlike Twitter or something like that and going, it

1:30:58

looks like little windows. I'm

1:31:00

looking through a window and seeing a face there. Those

1:31:03

aren't pixels. Those are windows.

1:31:04

Yeah. And

1:31:07

once you do that, you can't go back. It's like, you know,

1:31:09

the refresh rate. Our eyes are there again.

1:31:11

Oh my goodness. It's so true. Okay.

1:31:14

We have gone super long. We have.

1:31:17

We sure have. But we still have

1:31:20

some stuff to talk about. But I think that

1:31:22

was a

1:31:23

damn fine Hall of Fame hardware.

1:31:26

That was fun. That

1:31:30

was worth all the pomp and circumstance.

1:31:32

That was worth all the buildup years worth of buildup

1:31:35

saying we were going to do it eventually. And damn it, we did.

1:31:37

We did.

1:31:40

Very

1:31:40

nice. All right.

1:31:43

Wait, before we go into the next one,

1:31:45

and I'm sorry, Victor to get it, but I feel

1:31:47

like we should, I should have said this earlier, Victor,

1:31:50

do you even have access to an old arena

1:31:52

bumper?

1:31:54

Oh, I don't know. Oh.

1:31:58

Yeah. I didn't think about that.

1:31:59

because the Tricaster

1:32:02

has gone through many iterations and data

1:32:05

has dropped off in the scope of

1:32:07

it all. Well, for those

1:32:09

long time listeners, long time listeners pretend

1:32:12

it was the arena bumper. Yeah,

1:32:14

I wish I had thought of that, but that's okay. It's okay,

1:32:17

it's okay. So many enter. Yes,

1:32:19

okay, so we're not

1:32:21

gonna do this nearly the justice it deserves, because

1:32:24

we don't have enough time to do that. No. And

1:32:27

let's be honest. We

1:32:30

looked at a ton, and a ton I feel like

1:32:32

is a small number compared

1:32:34

to what we actually looked at. Apps in the arena,

1:32:37

talked about on the shows, subject, you know,

1:32:39

app subjects that came up repeatedly

1:32:41

as like, oh, this app is, you know, in a million different stories

1:32:43

that we talk about. So when I was

1:32:46

like thinking of this, I was like, what are the apps

1:32:48

that really stood the test of time that,

1:32:50

you know, over the course of the show,

1:32:53

we kept talking about or, you know, something

1:32:56

along those lines. Do we just kind of list

1:32:58

these? I don't feel like we have to go into detail in every

1:33:00

single

1:33:00

one like we did with Harper. I

1:33:03

mean, the same criteria applied in that it was

1:33:05

apps that, you know, that either

1:33:08

changed the game or became must

1:33:10

have, you know, can't live without them.

1:33:12

That's kind of what it did. So many. Oh,

1:33:15

yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:33:19

Andrew. Yeah. Okay,

1:33:22

now Victor, one more hoop to jump

1:33:25

through. That was amazing. It's been so long.

1:33:27

One more hoop to jump through. In the Discord, Patrick

1:33:30

posted the 2013 version of

1:33:32

the Android Arena bumper.

1:33:34

Is it possible to channel the Discord in?

1:33:37

If it's not possible, don't worry about it.

1:33:40

But if it is possible. Did you also post it in chat?

1:33:43

Yeah, here I have it. Oh, yeah, we can just

1:33:45

do that. Yeah, I dropped it into Slack.

1:33:48

There you go. Okay, you got it in Slack now. I

1:33:50

didn't even think about that. Just because I'm

1:33:52

super curious. Patrick,

1:33:54

can you put it in the document?

1:33:56

Yeah, put it in the document. I got you.

1:33:58

Got you. He's putting it right.

1:33:59

next to push bullet. Sorry,

1:34:02

audio and video listeners. But

1:34:05

I'm really curious to see it. Flash show. What are you going to do? What are you going

1:34:07

to do? Not subscribe? Yeah.

1:34:08

Where are you going

1:34:11

to go? You're going to stick

1:34:13

around. Yeah, I know you're going to stick around. It's

1:34:17

going to take every last second we give you.

1:34:20

Okay. I think we're almost there. Sorry,

1:34:23

Victor. 635 shows. 635 plus. But only one lives. Androids

1:34:25

arena. Oh,

1:34:35

Oh, wow. I've never seen that

1:34:37

one. I've actually never seen

1:34:39

that one. I forgot. That was back

1:34:41

in the day. That was back in the day. That

1:34:44

was really satisfying. Thank you. The

1:34:47

rolling of the R in arena was really great.

1:34:54

Oh, my goodness. That

1:34:56

was so great. Okay. So now we've got that I've

1:34:58

got like a permanent smile on my face. Um,

1:35:01

okay. So I put in push bullet. Feel

1:35:03

like we talked about that a heck of a lot of times. Pocket

1:35:06

cast has had longevity.

1:35:08

I

1:35:08

mean, that still using it. Yeah.

1:35:10

Still using it. It's, it's my podcast app. Uh,

1:35:13

Google maps, just because I don't know how many times on the

1:35:15

show, I've said it's one of my favorite

1:35:16

apps of all time. We had drive navigation

1:35:19

available. Yeah. Was because of that app before

1:35:22

the iPhone.

1:35:25

I mean, they've, they've, they've put a lot

1:35:27

of extra stuff in there that I don't use, but

1:35:29

it's core functionality has continued to

1:35:31

improve.

1:35:31

I love the reviews. They helped me eat places.

1:35:34

Yeah. I mean, sometimes, sometimes it feels a little cluttered

1:35:36

in the app compared to, you know,

1:35:39

for what I use it for, but, but I appreciate that that

1:35:41

stuff's there. Swift

1:35:43

key I put in there because you remember back

1:35:45

in the day, the swipe typing

1:35:48

thing. It

1:35:51

laid the, it laid the path for the keyboard.

1:35:53

I mean, honestly, like, one Swift key

1:35:56

gave the, the, the reality

1:35:58

of an alternate keyboard. And.

1:35:59

made Google step it off and

1:36:02

do G board. You know, who was

1:36:04

their first swift gear swipe? Cause it was between

1:36:06

those two at the time. I think swipe

1:36:09

was first. I think swipe was first.

1:36:11

And they were included on Samsung phones.

1:36:14

Yes. That's right.

1:36:16

That's right. They were the default. Kind of thought

1:36:18

that swipe was going to be the, the runaway hit

1:36:20

cause they had all the market and maybe they were,

1:36:22

but swift key was the one that, that

1:36:24

worked for me.

1:36:25

Swipe, um, initial

1:36:28

release September 2nd, 2009. Oh

1:36:32

wow. Earlier than I thought it would be. And

1:36:35

swift key. It was a lot going on in my life

1:36:37

that year. Let's

1:36:40

see, swift key, wiki, um, Microsoft

1:36:43

swift key, initial release July 2010.

1:36:46

Okay. So a little bit later. Okay. Yeah.

1:36:50

Interesting. 2009 for swipe. I would never

1:36:52

have guessed that, but what a great kind

1:36:54

of like addition to smartphone

1:36:57

typing. Cause Oh my God. Sometimes

1:36:59

tap a touch typing on a touch screen,

1:37:01

especially on phones that don't do it well. It's

1:37:05

a nightmare. Yeah. Hate

1:37:07

it. Um, I put Google now in here. I realize it's not like

1:37:09

an app that you download necessarily

1:37:11

or was it, but

1:37:13

it was, it was app-like and

1:37:15

it was very,

1:37:16

yeah, it is what

1:37:18

Google, the Google feed is now. Yeah.

1:37:21

Oh, totally. And it's, it's Google feed

1:37:23

now. That was the beginning of it for us, but

1:37:26

it was more kind of like built into Android as opposed

1:37:28

to being an app that you go to the Play Store to download. True.

1:37:30

True.

1:37:31

Yep. If my memory is correct, but regardless,

1:37:33

I put it in there. Well, they had a widget. I put in, I

1:37:35

just, I did an audible and I added the next one. Cause Jason,

1:37:38

I feel like we couldn't not talk about the last

1:37:40

years of that acknowledging like we talked about during

1:37:42

one plus with cyanogen mod or

1:37:45

any of the litany of ROMs that

1:37:47

you installed in your phones from 2008 through

1:37:50

like, like, when did you stop like 2015, 16? Like

1:37:53

the pixels was that around then? Oh,

1:37:55

for sure. By the pixels.

1:37:56

You stopped by the time I came

1:37:59

on the show. Yeah, I wasn't really doing it. Yeah,

1:38:01

it was after you dropped that Nexus 6. Oh,

1:38:06

that was the best. So you dropped the Nexus 6. Yeah.

1:38:08

I mean, I don't know that I dropped, but I have this one.

1:38:11

Yeah. And it actually powers on.

1:38:13

But Jason knew every week would be like,

1:38:15

what mod has Jason got? Like, yeah. So

1:38:17

it was a, that was a fun one. Look

1:38:19

at that chonker. The Nexus 6. What

1:38:22

a chonker of a phone.

1:38:23

I love, I actually love

1:38:25

this. This phone was ridiculed by many, but

1:38:28

I actually, it was a fun game

1:38:30

or sorry, a phone phone to me.

1:38:32

But I sprained my thumb on it.

1:38:35

Why? Because it's so wide. Because it's so big. It's so

1:38:37

big. Yeah. It's so big. I strained my thumb.

1:38:40

Not like, not even a joke. I literally pulled

1:38:42

my thumb. Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness. That's

1:38:44

so crazy. Wow. Props

1:38:47

to you. Sacrificing your thumb for phones.

1:38:51

Tasker.

1:38:52

Hands down. Gotta be in there. Still around.

1:38:55

Still around. Still around. That

1:38:57

was, that was the app that put

1:38:59

customization into the palm of your

1:39:01

hands in a way that other apps

1:39:03

just didn't do.

1:39:05

And it was, it was almost like, it was a playground.

1:39:07

It was like, what is your imagination? Build

1:39:09

it. And

1:39:12

you still can. You still can.

1:39:14

SMS backup. I

1:39:16

put this one in because this is an app that

1:39:19

I still use to this day and

1:39:21

still looks like it was coded in 2010 when it came

1:39:23

out. And the idea that

1:39:25

you could back up your SMS messages

1:39:28

was mind blowing. And the fact that

1:39:30

I still use it is a testament to this app. So

1:39:32

yeah. It is.

1:39:34

It's the only way to back it up without going

1:39:37

directly to your Google account. And the nice thing is

1:39:39

you can back it up. I back mine up to Dropbox.

1:39:42

To different places. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

1:39:45

And Google's backup, by the way, doesn't always work.

1:39:47

No, it doesn't. And I only know this

1:39:50

because I set up so many damn phones. It's kind

1:39:52

of piecemeal. Sometimes it pulls stuff in

1:39:54