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to all about Android. Your weekly source for the

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latest news, hardware, and apps for the Android

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faithful. I'm Ron Richards. I'm

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who went down. 617

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I'm Michelle Ramon. And there

1:20

you are. We are your three guides

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to the world of android 617, 617,

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this week, tomorrow, at least till

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next week. Jason resolved.

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Exactly. Whenever you listen to this. Jason

1:32

is off having a wonderful

1:34

vacation with 617 family. If you follow him on social media,

1:37

you see that having a great time skiing. We wish he

1:39

was here, but so glad he's having good

1:41

time. But we're excited

1:43

because 617 got a lot to talk about

1:45

about Android fourteen tonight. Alright?

1:47

We got a lot of we got a lot of leaks.

1:51

We got some Samsung stuff. We got some we

1:53

got we got it's it's it's a whole bunch of good

1:55

android stuff. 617 hopefully,

1:58

I vamped enough to give Burke enough time

2:00

to plan for the 617 because

2:02

now it is time for Android News. Well,

2:11

kind 617. And it looks like

2:13

we've removed Jason. With

2:15

the pixel seven. Oh, man.

2:18

See, there you go. You had it. You

2:21

you you

2:21

see, if you didn't do kindness here with the second

2:23

spirit.

2:25

Jason has been magic erased, unfortunately.

2:28

So there it is. 617

2:33

Hwan, did you watch the Super Bowl this 617

2:35

weekend? I'm sorry. The big game this past weekend?

2:37

Sure did. Oh, yeah. I can't say that. 617.

2:40

is the game. You watched it again?

2:42

The game. Did you did

2:44

you see the the fixed on pixel

2:46

ad that ran or 617?

2:49

Yeah. Great.

2:52

Okay. So I 617

2:55

I we talked about this. I think I don't think we talked about

2:57

617 on the show, but we had talked about it in chat when

2:59

Google, like, last week, put out some message

3:02

where yet 617, there was, like, blue bubble talking

3:04

to a green bubble and asking I

3:06

think it was, like, the blue bubble asking the green 617. Can

3:08

you fix this for me? And they're, like, oh, you gotta wait

3:10

until, like, February twelfth

3:13

or whatever or thirteenth or 617 whatever it is.

3:16

And I was I think we were, like, vaguely

3:18

speculating on what that could be. And Yeah.

3:21

I was expecting more to be perfect with Frank.

3:23

Just, you

3:24

know, just 617 a little more for all that

3:27

I don't know. Like, I 617 we talked about

3:29

a little leading up to the show. And so what what I'm

3:31

what I'm referencing here is that Google ran a

3:34

a commercial during the big game during the Super Bowl.

3:36

617 is it up on YouTube? They posted on the Google

3:38

blog and on YouTube before the game as, like, all

3:40

the brands do now. Like, you don't need to watch the game

3:42

anymore. You could just see all the commercials before the game.

3:45

617 and so they they

3:47

came out with an ad for a campaign that is

3:49

called fixed on 617, and

3:51

it featured, you know, Amy Schumer

3:54

617 basketball player whom I'm not familiar

3:56

TWiT. And and as and

3:58

someone else I'm not familiar with named Doja Cat.

4:00

Yeah. Yeah. But anyway,

4:03

so I guess it's relevant to the kids. But

4:05

yeah. And it it it was, you know,

4:08

an ad for 617. That

4:10

focused on magic

4:12

eraser and unblur

4:15

and and, you know, basically, the features of the camera

4:17

and the Pixel seven And so

4:19

when I 617 you know, I I get where you're coming from

4:22

as one of us where you kind of expect more.

4:24

But I gotta say the only thing

4:26

that any normal my normal I mean,

4:28

just like random person in

4:30

617 deli in New York that has asked me about

4:32

my pixel seven, has asked about has

4:34

before this ad, we talked about in

4:36

the show was the magic eraser. Like, during

4:39

the during the World Cup, they they advertised Pixel

4:41

heavily on that, and the guy in the deli was like, oh, you got one

4:43

of those phones that can fix your photos. Show me how that

4:45

works. So, like, I think they're

4:47

leaning they're leaning into their differentiator in

4:49

the

4:49

marketplace. I I don't know 617 Michelle, what do you

4:51

think? No. I

4:53

definitely think this was a clever I mean, this

4:56

is the best feature they could have marketed

4:58

at the Super Bowl because it's definitely like the one

5:00

you can talk about with your friends or, like, on social

5:02

media, like, the kind of thing that goes viral. You know, you

5:05

just post, like, a before and after of a

5:07

photo that you fixed on a pixel, you know, using

5:09

magic eraser. And I think that's something that is

5:11

something that anyone can really relate to.

5:14

Like, I think Google could have done

5:16

a better job at marketing its features in the past.

5:19

Like things like car crash detection. Right?

5:21

Everyone thinks iPhone now did it

5:23

first when, like, Pixel has had it for years.

5:25

And, like, we haven't seen that many commercials or marketing

5:27

out of Google for it, but Now we're seeing that happen

5:29

with magic eraser, and they chose

5:32

617 perfect time to really put it on full blast.

5:34

And I definitely think it was

5:36

the right thing to choose to, you

5:38

know, put front and center. You know, for us,

5:40

we've been, like, inundated with that. We're familiar

5:42

with that. We've known about it for years, so it's, like, Nah.

5:44

It's not exciting anymore. Right? Because we've already

5:47

known about it for so long, but there's

5:49

a lot of people who have probably never even

5:51

heard of a Pixel

5:52

phone. 617 now they're aware that can do something

5:55

that the iPhone can't do. Exactly.

5:58

And and, like, and it's going, like, super, super

6:00

like, you don't get more mainstream than a Super Bowl

6:02

ad. Right? So so when I

6:04

I get I get where you're coming from, they expected more.

6:06

Like, I actually thought this was pretty successful and,

6:08

like, sells the phone

6:11

and, like, It doesn't lean on Android. It's this

6:13

is something that the Pixel seven can do, and

6:15

it's, you know, it's more to push

6:17

the phone rather than the operating system,

6:20

which I think makes

6:20

sense. I don't know. I but I don't know. For

6:23

Super Bowl ads, I thought it worked.

6:25

Although It's kinda what the Super Bowl ad is, like,

6:27

a spectacle. Right? And I do agree. Like, I'm not trying

6:29

to be, like, total 617 down to that it is it

6:31

is the place to spend

6:33

lots of money in marketing where you're gonna get eyeballs

6:35

on it. But I I guess I

6:37

I kind of was anticipating something that would maybe

6:40

unlock. You

6:42

know what? I read so as as like an

6:44

enthusiast, I'm kind of like bias but I also

6:47

feel like I kinda had wished that I

6:49

always 617 wish these features are obviously

6:51

meant to sell

6:52

pixels, but I kinda like it when

6:54

software is available and more than just one But

6:56

that's just Well, yeah. But that's that's capitalism

6:58

right there. You're walking right into 617 trap.

7:01

So yeah. Alright. So go go

7:03

on YouTube. Watch it. Check it out. Check it out

7:05

for yourself. I will say that they they took some

7:07

dramatic license with the actual magic eraser

7:09

617, and that was a little a little more

7:12

VFX wizardry than magic eraser going

7:14

on there. But it gets the point across, I guess.

7:17

But yeah. Alright. So but that

7:19

said, last after

7:21

we finished the show last week, sure enough, the

7:23

next day, 617 happened. So

7:26

Michelle, you've been on the front lines of this. Why don't

7:28

you 617 don't you tell us about the 617 fourteen developer

7:30

preview one? Oh,

7:33

boy. So so

7:36

there's two parts to this. Right? There's the

7:38

official blog post from Google announcing

7:40

Android eleven developed I'm sorry, Android fourteen

7:43

developer preview one. And, you know, there's

7:45

a couple of developer 617 changes

7:47

and new APIs and things

7:50

that are available for developers

7:52

that you can read about. But of course, for

7:54

users, none of that is that

7:56

interesting because, of course, is

7:58

like developer preview, you're only supposed to

8:00

be installing this if you are developer testing

8:02

your 617. And even then, there are a

8:04

lot of changes that you know, won't

8:06

really be applicable for a lot of 617. Like,

8:09

so you gotta read through the post and find out

8:11

what's actually relevant to my app and

8:13

to my workflow and, you know, what I'm doing.

8:15

617 that being said, Android fourteen

8:18

is a new major release of the OS, and

8:20

there's always always always a whole lot

8:22

more going on under the hood. And so

8:24

when Google public released the

8:26

developer preview images for the Pixel, I decided

8:28

to take a look, saw on my phones,

8:31

went through all the applications, you

8:34

know, the the system apps,

8:36

everything in it to find out what's actually

8:39

new in the new release that 617

8:41

being talked about yet, but it could be coming in

8:44

future release. And

8:46

I think you know, I I've published

8:48

I think eleven articles so far, and

8:50

I don't think we had time to talk about all of them

8:52

in-depth, but there are couple

8:54

of highlight changes that I wanted to talk about.

8:57

So the first one is the

8:59

app cloning feature. I think that's the one that's gotten

9:01

the most attention. So if

9:04

you use a phone from Samsung 617 or

9:06

an OEM or one of the other, you know,

9:08

third party device makers. You

9:11

probably are familiar with an app 617 feature.

9:13

You can, you know, have two instances

9:16

of one app simultaneously. So

9:18

in this example, you can see the screenshots. We have

9:20

two instances of Discord. Native

9:23

Android hasn't supported this functionality since

9:26

forever. Right? If you want to clone

9:28

an app, you had to either, you know,

9:31

actually repackage the app So that end

9:33

would allow you to install a second copy of it,

9:35

or you'd have to create like a work profile,

9:38

which would allow you to install it onto that profile.

9:40

617, of course, it's kind of janky that set up

9:42

a work profile even though you're not actually using

9:44

it for work profile

9:46

purposes. Right? And I have 617

9:48

work profile on my phone. For

9:50

my work.

9:51

Yeah. It's

9:51

so annoying. It's I just wish I could add it as

9:53

regular account. It's so frustrating. But anyway,

9:55

yeah, they were there. So Yeah. So

9:59

this is actually taking advantage of functionality

10:01

that Android added 617 Android twelve,

10:04

but Google is now like building

10:06

on that. To actually make

10:08

it usable for users. So, like, there's as

10:10

you saw on the screenshots, there's a new settings

10:12

page for cloning 617. 617

10:15

what they have yet to add is launcher

10:17

integration. So on your home screen, there's

10:19

no way to differentiate between the original app

10:21

and the cloned app. That's kind of a problem right

10:23

now and something we may see addressed

10:26

in a future developer preview or beta.

10:29

So 1 downside or

10:31

one limitation of this feature as

10:33

it's currently working is that the

10:36

list of apps that you can clone is actually hard

10:38

coded. In the OS.

10:40

So you can't just like say, I wanna clone whatever

10:43

app I install from Google Play. It's right now

10:45

determined by the OEM. Which

10:47

is a bit of a bummer, but I'm sure there's gonna

10:49

be wraparounds for that once this feature

10:51

is publicly available or if it's publicly

10:54

available. Because it's not enabled yet

10:56

in the developer preview. It's something that I have

10:58

to enable to show off. That's

11:01

the first major feature that think

11:03

people are interested in. The second one is

11:05

the new predictive back gesture. So

11:07

I say new, but if you've

11:09

been watching the show for a while. You've probably already

11:12

heard about this one before. So

11:14

in Android thirteen, Google introduced the

11:16

predictive back gesture system 617

11:18

this does is it basically enables

11:21

the system to know ahead of

11:23

time what task

11:26

basically will be coming out next in

11:28

the so called back stack. So

11:30

when you're, like, swiping through tapping on pages and

11:32

within an app, 617 keeps track of where

11:34

you're going so that it knows where you're going

11:37

back whenever you go whenever you tap

11:39

the back button or you swipe back. 617 the

11:41

problem was didn't have a perfect picture

11:43

of what would actually happen when you hit

11:45

back. So what Google is basically doing, it's

11:47

it's kind of complicated to explain it. But

11:49

they're basically working with developers or

11:51

something developers actually have to support so

11:54

that the system knows always what's

11:57

going to happen whenever you do the back

11:59

button. And because it knows where

12:01

the back button will take you, it's able to

12:03

play this transition animation that you're seeing

12:05

right now. So that it can basically

12:08

peak and show you

12:10

like a little preview of where you're gonna be going

12:12

when you actually finish the back tester.

12:15

In Android thirteen, the predictive

12:17

back animation, it only supported going back

12:19

to the home screen. So you could swipe

12:21

back 617 you would see that this backfaster

12:23

would take me back to the home screen. And 617 fourteen,

12:26

they're upgrading this so that you can actually

12:28

have a preview when you're going between apps

12:30

or within apps. As you can see here.

12:33

So it's kind of a it's something that we already

12:35

known about. Google's already talked about this at IO.

12:37

They've shown examples of it. So this

12:40

is just something we've been expecting for a while, and

12:42

we're finally seeing the fruits of that

12:44

go live soon in Android fourteen.

12:47

Of course, it's 617 something developers will have to

12:49

support in their apps. And

12:51

if they don't, Google warns that things may

12:53

be broken. So I don't know about

12:55

you when what are your 617 is your take on predictive

12:58

back

12:58

like, how are y'all fairing with this?

13:01

I I mean, I love it. Like, I I think

13:03

I think the fact so when I first heard about it and,

13:05

like, you know, the the first thing we heard was, like, back

13:07

to home. It was like, oh, well, that's nice, but that's kind

13:09

of a, like, a a very specific use case. But the

13:11

fact that it now works for all,

13:13

like, you know, across both, like, 617 screens

13:16

of the app and back to home. I would

13:18

hope that it would encourage people to

13:20

do that because 617 for for I mean, just even

13:22

at a very base level, that looks really

13:24

good. That's real sexy. And it 617 it is giving the

13:26

user 617, which and I think a lot of

13:28

times on apps that I've worked on,

13:31

one of the complaints that we got, especially kind

13:33

of at my old job, was that people Kinda didn't

13:35

know even if they were on

13:37

617 familiar screen in apps, depending on how complicated

13:40

your app is or whether, you know, you do things

13:42

like Lake modifications where you can kind of like

13:44

jump into like a workflow or or, you know, whatever

13:46

your various use cases are, people can kind of

13:48

get a little confused about what back means.

13:50

So I'm actually really excited about And

13:54

I I, you know, it's kind of easy

13:56

as a developer across many of my projects

13:58

to kind of just let to

14:00

to in the from up until now to let

14:02

back navigation just be

14:04

bad as kind of like a foregone 617? Because

14:07

it can be hard to 617. It can be hard to make

14:09

it look good. But I think 617 that

14:12

this is in there, it's sort of being

14:14

forced on us more or less. I mean, it's not gonna kill

14:16

your app, but it's, you know, you know, when you

14:18

compare someone that does support with someone who

14:20

won't, 617 be a big difference. And the fact that, you know,

14:22

for if you're if you're, like, doing

14:24

your homework and you're updating to the latest, like, Jetpack

14:27

and whatever, you you should be covered,

14:29

I'm excited for And I honestly

14:31

can't wait. Like, it's 617 for us, for devs

14:33

that want to do like the right thing, sometimes things

14:36

like this that are a little bit flashy, a little bit more user

14:38

facing can be a much easier sell to be like,

14:40

hey, I 617 spent two weeks to kind of fix

14:42

this. So I'm I'm all for it. I can't

14:44

wait. I'm I'm ready to get that sexy

14:46

little, like, little peak when

14:48

someone does it back on any of the apps I work

14:50

on. So but I just wanna just had

14:52

a fascinating that we're here at, like, almost at

14:54

version fourteen 617 we're still working on

14:56

back yesterday. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like

14:58

No. I mean But I feel like at least

15:00

every other year with every other version of Android,

15:03

we talk about the back you know, like, whether it was,

15:05

like, eliminating the the the back button

15:07

on the bottom, adding it back, eliminating it again,

15:09

adding 617 like all the same stuff.

15:11

I mean, it's 617 it's funny when because and when you

15:13

think about it from an intellectual standpoint,

15:15

of, like, user interface design. It's,

15:18

like, it's a problem that

15:20

that it seems like such a simple

15:23

we'll go back from where you are. But, like, what

15:25

like, to to the point you made, when what does

15:27

back mean, back within the app, back to the

15:29

OS, back to the home screen? Like -- Yeah. -- like and

15:31

and so I just find it's kind of 617 kind of thing

15:33

I don't think we'll ever truly

15:35

solve. But That

15:37

is all true. You think it's simple and then

15:39

someone comes at you and you're like, I didn't think

15:41

about that. I don't know. And then a lot of

15:43

times, like you said, like, where

15:45

where where should I be going? Varies

15:48

the opinion variation person to person. So it's

15:50

617 compromise on 617 gonna piss people

15:53

the less people the fewest people off

15:55

if we do a thing. So, yeah. Twenty twenty

15:57

three, back still thing. I think it's always

15:59

gonna be kind of the thing to

16:01

say.

16:03

Well, that surely can't be it. Michelle.

16:06

Right? There's 617 be bold. Oh,

16:08

no. Far from it. The next one

16:10

is actually I I swear,

16:12

didn't know this before. 617 say,

16:14

this is a feature that iOS already had? Well, I'm

16:16

not the iOS guy. I'm the Android

16:18

guy, so I had no idea. Because next feature

16:20

Look at him.

16:26

So this next feature,

16:29

basically so right 617, a lot of social

16:31

media 617 just social media applications,

16:33

but a lot of applications in general. Whenever

16:35

they ask for permission to access your

16:37

gallery, so like your photos or videos,

16:40

they get permission to access your entire

16:42

gallery. So all of your photos or all of your

16:44

videos. Well, it wouldn't be nice if you could just

16:46

say no, if you could just say, I will decide

16:48

which photos and videos this 617 have

16:50

access to. Well, that's exactly what this

16:52

new feature in Android fourteen seems

16:54

to be enabling. So what

16:57

Google is working on is 617 new

17:00

menu item in the permission 617. So

17:02

whenever an app asks you for access to

17:04

photos and videos, you'll have a new option

17:06

in that 617 that says select photos.

17:08

617 when you tap that, it'll open the

17:10

photo picker that was introduced in Android

17:13

thirteen, and then it'll let you select

17:15

which photos and videos you wanna give that app

17:17

access to. This is actually

17:19

a really clever solution. And again, I had

17:21

no idea this was something iOS already

17:24

did. So I I don't know truly how

17:26

clever it really is, but nevertheless, it's

17:28

still a really really good feature. But basically,

17:30

like, one of the problems with the

17:33

617 picker as it was introduced is that it required

17:35

apps to actually opt in and supported.

17:37

It wasn't like a difficult thing to support.

17:39

It was just like a single intent.

17:43

I I don't really have to time to explain

17:45

that, 617, like, it was not really a complicated

17:47

API to support. The 617 had

17:50

some limitations, of course, but overall,

17:52

it was very user friendly

17:54

in in a privacy preserving way.

17:56

So, like, it would let you pick

17:58

what photos and videos to give apps

18:01

access to 617 the app that invoked the

18:03

photo picker didn't need to have any permissions

18:05

whatsoever. So the app that use

18:07

it didn't have to be able to read

18:09

anything on your gallery. You could pick whatever

18:11

you wanna give access to 617, you know, everyone's

18:14

happy. But the problem is a lot of

18:16

apps didn't use it or they, you know, for

18:18

one reason, they didn't want to use it. Maybe they

18:20

wanted to have access to your gallery for

18:22

tracking or whatever purposes, or maybe

18:25

they didn't like the way the photo picker work,

18:27

maybe they didn't like some of the limitations. Whatever.

18:29

There's many different valid

18:32

reasons that they may not want to implement it.

18:34

But this feature in 617 fourteen is

18:36

giving you the user the choice

18:39

of, you

18:39

know, whether or not you want to limit

18:42

an apps access or you want 617 path

18:44

full access.

18:47

Alright. III

18:49

mean, this is interesting to

18:52

a certain degree, but this comes down

18:54

to, you know, as we all permissions and

18:56

access and stuff like that, it continues to evolve

18:58

and get more locked down, I guess. Right? Mhmm.

19:02

Well, the the next the the next point you

19:04

have, Michelle, is one that I've been keeping an eye on.

19:07

Oh,

19:09

yeah. The blind 617 blind people carrier

19:11

installed. So it's

19:13

actually less exciting than it

19:15

actually sounds. So 617

19:18

Android fourteen I mean, it sounds exciting.

19:20

617 do you actually think about it? It's not that exciting

19:23

because it basically just makes something

19:25

you could have already done a little easier. So

19:28

basically, what end of fourteen is introducing is

19:30

this new system service called background

19:32

install control. What this does

19:34

is it scans for apps

19:37

that have been silently installed in the background,

19:39

and it puts them in a list. And

19:42

it says here are some apps were installed in

19:44

the background. They may have been installed by your carrier

19:46

or OEM, and you may not need them. So

19:48

here's 617 list. If you wanna uninstall them, go ahead.

19:50

That's basically all it does. It's just putting it

19:52

together a list of apps that you may not want.

19:55

And, of course, that's kind of surprising

19:58

functionality to have considering the

20:00

amount of preloads a lot of devices come

20:02

with nowadays and, you know, now Android

20:05

is giving you this menu to say, hey, you

20:07

can get rid of all of these if you want. Of

20:09

course, there's still some limitations. You can't

20:11

actually uninstall apps that

20:13

are actually preloaded in the system image, you

20:15

know, that ships on your device. Like, you can't

20:17

get rid of apps on the OS itself

20:20

because those are, like, baked into the

20:22

to that firmware. But if,

20:24

say, you insert a carrier, say,

20:26

sorry, you insert a carrier SIM card

20:28

617 then, you know, some app

20:31

starts triggering the insulation

20:33

of, like, seventeen other apps Like, I pulled up an example

20:36

in the article where someone said they

20:38

inserted a certain carrier SIM

20:39

card, and then all of a sudden seventeen apps got

20:41

installed onto their device. It's

20:44

not

20:45

like native functionality of android. It's

20:47

probably something like the OEM and the

20:49

carrier worked out like an agreement on on how to

20:51

617, but that 617, I think

20:54

1 would agree that is bloatware. You

20:56

know, you don't want all those apps 617 because you

20:58

inserted the carrier SIM card. Right? So

21:00

this service would detect those apps 617 then

21:02

give you a nice list for what from

21:04

which you can uninstall

21:05

them. I like it. The OS is giving

21:07

you a naughty list, you know. Like, this this carrier

21:10

was little bit, like, sneaking around behind your

21:12

back. Doing some nefarious things and

21:14

they got put on 617, oh, like, a naughty

21:16

list. They were like a Santa Claus list, not like

21:18

any kind of, like, you know, serious

21:20

list, but, like, you know, like, oh, they

21:22

these apps 617 are bad. And I like Just because

21:25

it's kind of like just section 617. Anyway,

21:27

I get some and I love it. III

21:29

do love it because I think sometimes 617 how

21:31

much, like, pre 617 apps we have

21:33

and how many apps that I know I install 617

21:35

from trying stuff

21:36

out, gets 617. I like this

21:38

a lot. I'm into it. Yeah. It's a good one.

21:40

Alright. So so Michelle, so

21:44

of the I mean, you dug so deep into this. I would

21:46

love to hear, like, a couple more things you think is 617,

21:48

and then your total takeaway of developer

21:50

preview

21:50

one, just kind like, you know, if you had to grade it to

21:53

certain degree. Right.

21:56

So there's one more feature I'll quickly highlight

21:58

617 it's the Well,

22:01

basically, if you're familiar, like, last year,

22:04

Google kind of forced developers to fill out this

22:06

form, this call, this data safety form, basically

22:08

saying, you know, what data are

22:10

you collecting and why are you collecting

22:12

it? And I 617 to personally

22:14

I had to personally fill out the form

22:16

for my app. I went through the whole process

22:19

myself, a 617 to, like, to try it and

22:21

see what it was like, but also had to do it because

22:23

if we didn't do it by deadline, they would 617 pulled our app

22:25

from the

22:25

store. So Mhmm. Yeah. I mean, it

22:27

was it was definitely a a 617, like,

22:29

every app pretty much. If if you've 617 an

22:32

app or you submit a new app, you have to

22:34

fill out this form. You have to state know, what

22:36

you're doing with data and why you're collecting

22:38

it. And that 617,

22:40

that information that you 617, right now,

22:42

it's only in the Google Play Store. It

22:44

looks like an 617 14, that information may

22:47

be more front and center to users. So

22:49

I spotted a new settings page

22:51

where you can see apps that

22:53

have updated their data safety information. And

22:55

I also spotted a

22:57

new basically, section in a location

23:00

permission. Where you can see

23:02

what data safety information that developer

23:04

submitted for that app. So for example, when

23:06

you're going to grant an app to location permission,

23:09

if that app has a data

23:11

safety label on Google Play 617 they

23:13

say that we're using location for

23:15

advertising or, you know,

23:17

app 617. 617 say that

23:19

directly in the permission 617.

23:22

You don't have to go to Google Play and look at the

23:24

data safety information there. 617 be front

23:26

and center in Android itself. Of course,

23:28

this is not this functionality hasn't landed

23:31

in Android fourteen fifty one. It's not something you can

23:33

install and see immediately. It's something

23:35

that I enabled. So there's no guarantee this will

23:37

actually be a feature of Android

23:39

14. But Well And and that's I

23:41

do think that and that's that's the whole caveat and

23:43

disclaimer with all this developer preview

23:45

one 617 fourteen. This is like

23:48

this is like this is the first inning. Right?

23:51

Like, we've we've seen we've seen other developer

23:53

previews where, like, come through where we see

23:55

functionality that doesn't make it to the final release.

23:58

Right? So now 617 clock is ticking

24:00

on a lot of these functionality to see what makes it

24:02

through the gauntlet when they eventually do

24:04

roll out Android fourteen later this

24:06

later this year.

24:09

Well, that that is true. 617, like, it's not like Google's

24:11

throwing things to the wall and seeing what sticks with DP1.

24:14

Like, they they already have, like, a road map. They

24:16

have a good idea of what they want to do. Whether

24:18

or not they can 617 it in time before,

24:21

you know, they have to say, okay, we gotta cut things

24:23

off and wait for the next release

24:25

or we'll just scrap it entirely. You know

24:27

so, like, a lot of these features, of course, they've been working

24:29

on them for a while. It's not like they did

24:31

like, a week before t p 1 release.

24:33

No. No. 1, of course, we've seen that in

24:35

the past. I mean, like, scope storage.

24:36

Yeah. I feel like there's been other stuff that has been,

24:38

like, they wanted get it in. They they saw it how

24:40

it worked They said it was not ready for

24:42

Prime, then they pulled in, then it was in the next version,

24:44

or that sort of thing. So Yeah. 617 yeah.

24:46

You just got a cave at all. This is just that anything

24:48

can happen at this point. So this is

24:50

a preview of what can come. Like,

24:53

all these articles are just showing off things that

24:55

are in VP 1, but may not be

24:58

publicly available in the staple

25:00

release. So these are just things, you know, if

25:02

you're a developer or user, just keep an eye on. You

25:04

know, I'll I'll share updates

25:07

as I learn more

25:07

information, of course. 617 I

25:09

can't guarantee you that all these features will be

25:11

available. Alright. Alright.

25:15

So so overall, 617 is

25:17

your what what did you think of developer preview 1

25:19

so far after being with it for almost a week?

25:23

On 617, it's not very it's not

25:26

that different from Android thirteen,

25:28

but it's definitely shaping

25:30

up to be a pretty big release. It's

25:32

hard for me to, like, put together

25:35

a full idea of how big it really is because

25:37

I'm still digging through it, still learning about

25:40

new things every day. But

25:43

I do think a lot of the big a lot of the changes

25:45

that are coming are really big, like 617 predictive

25:48

pack overhaul, 617

25:50

coding will be really useful, all the other stuff.

25:52

So I do think it's gonna be a pretty exciting

25:54

release. Alright? 617

25:57

when at what point do you install install

26:00

developer previews on your phone? Do you do it at all?

26:02

Do you wait for release? Oh, good. 617

26:04

would install this for the get go if you were here.

26:06

I wait for final release. Right? So where do you

26:09

Jason? Jason installed

26:11

it, and now he's gone. So

26:13

but 617 when at what point

26:15

do you jump on the next version? Oh,

26:18

goodness. For so for for BBC that I've been

26:20

on, it's kinda been like a community thing. And usually,

26:22

I tend to think of releases in the context

26:24

of my job 617 what that might

26:26

mean for, you know, things that we might have

26:29

to accommodate or check for like,

26:31

just make sure we don't have any 617 or things like that.

26:33

So, generally, I don't really rush

26:35

to add to to load developer preview,

26:38

especially on my main driver. Really should

26:40

be more active. But I usually I also feel like,

26:42

usually, my pixel is my main driver, not

26:44

this year. I got this folded shirt. So but

26:46

I I 617 am pretty cautious about 617. And

26:49

also, I think for us,

26:51

I well, for so for me, I usually

26:53

wait till a little bit closer just because I want things

26:55

to be little more big. I also don't wanna,

26:58

like, either 617 prematurely panic

27:00

or, you know,

27:03

kinda think that something is above or something

27:05

is, like, a regression with in an early

27:07

developer release, and then we kind 617, like, you know,

27:09

run run around their like, the chickens of their heads cut

27:11

off trying fix it when it's kind of like a Google

27:14

problem, not 617 us problem. So I generally wait

27:16

I'll probably kind of maybe in the summer look

27:18

more seriously into installing it into,

27:21

like, daily driver or, you know,

27:23

a very, you know, like, one of my work

27:25

test phones. 617, usually, this this

27:27

this first couple I'll kinda just wait and see.

27:29

I'm not the most, like I don't

27:31

know. Maybe on the ball developer out there,

27:34

but Usually, at a previous team,

27:36

we'd have at least maybe our QA QA folks

27:38

install it just to get 617 an idea of, like,

27:40

hey, does our app, like, absolutely die as soon

27:42

as, you know, like, we have

27:44

the don't put you in there or is, like, oh, okay. Like, everything's

27:47

look okay. Like, we seem to be alright. We can kinda

27:49

chill, you know, and relax little bit. So

27:51

just like more like putting your foot in the water and seeing if something

27:53

bites if it 617, kind of

27:55

just keeping your eyes open. So

27:57

Sure. Well, before we move on, Michelle, there

27:59

was one actually, one other one I want to flag

28:01

in in here, which was the tell

28:04

tell everybody about the third party App Store's

28:06

aspect of it.

28:08

So basically, there's just new yeah.

28:10

There's just some new APIs to make

28:13

third party app stores work a little better

28:15

Basically, app third party 617 stores now have the

28:17

ability to tell when you're actively

28:20

using an app so that they don't update it, you

28:22

know, and, like, break whatever you're doing.

28:25

617 then there's another API that lets third party

28:27

app stores take ownership over updates of an

28:29

app. So that's, say, if you install 617 app

28:31

from a third party app store 617 you also

28:33

have that app is available through Google

28:35

Play. You can say I want updates

28:37

to only be exclusively delivered through that third party

28:40

app store and not through Google Play or

28:42

vice versa. And then there's

28:44

1 more thing where you can also

28:46

have user preapproval where

28:49

if a third party app store deems it necessary

28:51

that want to prompt the user before doing an

28:53

automatic update, they can do that. So all

28:55

in all, just some nice quality of life improvements

28:57

to improve the experience for third party app stores

29:00

on Android. Right now, you know, you have to

29:02

be a pre installed first party app store

29:04

to have access to a lot of the same privileged

29:06

APIs that, like, Google Play and, like,

29:08

617 Galaxy app store have access to. 617

29:11

they're kind of slowly bridging that gap between

29:13

third party and first party app stores.

29:16

Which which is interesting because, you know,

29:19

the the the even concept of that years

29:21

ago was just, you know, inconceivable. Right?

29:23

So it's it's fascinating to see how far we've

29:26

617. But eventually will go,

29:28

I guess, if it if it makes it to the final release.

29:30

So alright. Cool. Well, so

29:33

much more about Andrew fourteen. We're

29:36

617, where can people go find more more of your analysis

29:38

of this stuff?

29:41

I'm posting everything on my Twitter

29:44

at 617 Raman, as you can see in

29:46

the ticket at the bottom. But the articles

29:48

themselves are right currently on

29:50

XTA developer. So if you just look on XDA

29:52

developers on my author profile. You'll see

29:54

all of the enter fourteen content that I published.

29:58

I'm temporarily publishing on XDA

30:00

as a 617. Not, like, rejoining

30:02

them full time. I had that question asked a lot.

30:06

But if you just wanna follow me for Andrew fourteen

30:08

coverage, you know, there's a lot of things that I would

30:10

post about on XDA. Just follow me on

30:12

Twitter for all that content.

30:14

Right on. I mean, cool. Or Telegram, Mastodon,

30:17

whatever. I know. Oh, I know Twitter really is 617. Still

30:19

a hot. Topic these days. It's

30:22

still pretty active, I know. But but

30:24

anyway. Alright. Cool. So so go follow

30:26

Michelle if you want more of the Android fourteen developer

30:28

preview. Deets. 617

30:31

there were some Android thirteen developments

30:34

that happened today. Right? When 617 happened today?

30:37

Yeah. So Google is in the process

30:39

of taking cookies 617. Not

30:41

the good delicious kind, but actually so Google

30:44

617 in in fixed 617. We're

30:46

we would need some in case. But, really, it's

30:48

about third party tracking cookies 617 they've

30:50

been, you know, working on kind

30:52

of killing third party cookies for

30:54

tracking in web and on and

30:56

on chrome. But today, they've actually

30:59

launched a 617

31:01

of what they deemed the privacy sandbox,

31:03

which is a toolkit for basically

31:06

improving privacy. And I

31:08

love the the title of this article, which was

31:10

Google Launch Way for Android apps

31:12

to track you without tracking you. So

31:14

Google has been trying very hard

31:17

to 617 follow the modern

31:20

environment or the modern zeitgeist

31:22

of trying to improve 617.

31:27

617, of course, they're never going to, you

31:29

know, not

31:31

try to serve you ads and not give

31:34

advertising information about you. But they're trying

31:36

to make it a little bit harder for advertisers

31:39

to get very specific information about you. So they did

31:41

have, like, an initiative last year, which 617

31:43

had this thing called 617, oh, I gotta look this

31:45

up because this is not a very interesting or

31:48

very easy to 617, but the federated learning of cohorts.

31:50

Tracking mechanism. So, yeah, they were trying to

31:52

replace third party cookies with this fl

31:54

o c thing, which they got kind

31:56

of slammed for because it it it actually

31:58

allowed advertisers to find out

32:01

even more information about you, like, I think even

32:03

your IP address and things like that. So they've

32:05

really tried to you know, respond to the

32:07

feedback and also paint themselves

32:09

as a non, you know, 617 non

32:12

anti competitive player in the market.

32:14

And again, abide by kind of

32:16

consumer welfare. And they just released beta at

32:18

this privacy sandbox, which is basically a toolkit

32:20

with several components. 617

32:23

of it has to do with things like SDK SDK

32:25

runtime. Basically, as developers, we

32:27

often kind of use other kind

32:29

of software toolkits to add things like, say,

32:31

well, AdSense, which is really little bit in this, but

32:34

things like maybe, like, if you're using Stripe, you know,

32:36

you have they have an SDK that allows you to take payments

32:38

to the app. So there's always kind of, like, third party software

32:40

that even devs utilize

32:42

and leverage to 617 of bring you functionality.

32:45

But let's say they're

32:47

also really good vectors for, you know, malicious

32:49

code and things like that. So part

32:51

of this sorry, privacy sandbox

32:54

is what is what is known as this SDK runtime

32:56

feature where it basically gets to 617 a

32:58

siloed part of your phone's operating system.

33:01

Instead of within apps themselves, 617 of providing

33:03

little bit of, like, a buffer between

33:05

you and any nefarious SDKs 617 kind

33:07

of more relevant to the story and kind of more relevant

33:10

to the idea of third party cookies 617 how, you

33:12

know, advertiser 617 try to figure out

33:14

what kind of ads they serve you, what your habits

33:16

are. They

33:18

have, like, two tools now. There's two APIs

33:20

that are new that the

33:22

idea is that Google wants to

33:24

still give advertisers information

33:28

about what you like and

33:30

are interested in for the purposes of of serving

33:32

you ads. But to not

33:36

to reveal as little specific information

33:38

about you as possible and to

33:40

not share that information about external part.

33:42

Party. So your phone's still paying attention

33:44

to what you're saying, but the promise of these

33:47

APIs is that Google will 1

33:49

these APIs will kind of figure out what you

33:51

like. Like, do you like sports? You like shoes.

33:53

You like makeup. And rather than kind

33:55

of being specific about what you do,

33:57

your activity, and what you like, more

33:59

just kind of generating 617, hey, this

34:01

person is into this thing 617 then communicating

34:04

that more generalized ish information

34:06

to advertisers. So there's two APIs.

34:08

One is topics. These topics are

34:10

basically categories

34:13

that can apply to you based on apps that you use.

34:15

So, for example, I have, like, you know,

34:17

a fitness timer app, and I have, like, AAA

34:20

weight tracking app. So, presumably, topics

34:22

will think, one likes fitness and things like that,

34:24

and we'll be able to communicate, hey, this user

34:26

into fitness or this kind of like group of users is

34:28

into fitness. So it's more about based

34:30

on what an app is and how an app like identifies

34:32

or categorizes itself, kind of relating those to

34:34

interests. 617 then there's another API

34:36

called Fledge, which is more of a way for

34:39

an app to kind of tag

34:41

interactions within you know,

34:43

within within its own, like, interactions. It's

34:45

kinda it's but it's more like kind of the app saying, hey.

34:47

Like, based on what the app user

34:50

is doing, here's something that they like. So it's more

34:52

like app itself rather than being a

34:54

category into it 617 itself. It's like the app

34:56

tagging certain things that you do to kind of

34:58

relate it to ads that you might like. So

35:02

and then finally, there's attribution reporting,

35:04

which is basically a system that lets advertisers

35:06

know how other ads are working, which

35:09

It's not that interesting to sound like, but

35:11

it is kind of like big deal and and part

35:13

of why, you know, publishers and appetizers

35:16

617 want your information. Just wanna know, like, if it's

35:18

working, is this is this ad working? Is that is

35:20

that Super Bowl ad gonna sell more pixels, presumably?

35:23

So all of this is open

35:25

for beta today. It's only available

35:27

for applicableers that signed up for the beta, I think, back

35:29

in November. And there is a developer

35:31

preview still going forward, which will continue to kind

35:33

of iterate with, like, you know, new features

35:35

and things like that. But this is kind of what

35:37

Google is putting out there as a way

35:39

to replace third party cookies and tracking

35:42

and try to I'm gonna try 617 again

35:44

still provide information about you,

35:46

but not really specific information about

35:48

you. So, I mean, it's not a perfect world. Right? I know

35:51

a lot of us would rather just no one know

35:53

what we're doing. But, you

35:55

know, for Google, that's, you know, for

35:58

a company just driven by buy

36:00

out 617, they're trying to kind of

36:02

maybe close the you know, maybe fill

36:04

some holes where privacy might be concerned.

36:06

So I don't know. Does any of this sound interesting?

36:09

Better world ready to Privacy is a cookie's

36:11

beverage.

36:12

Privacy is always a hot topic, Michelle. I'm curious

36:14

what you think. 617 I

36:17

find more interesting is actually the

36:19

mechanism that they're actually delivering these

36:21

APIs. So if

36:23

you read the blog post, you'll notice that they

36:25

said that this is available on select Android thirteen

36:28

devices. But if you

36:30

617, Android thirteen 617 release

36:33

was back in August of

36:35

last year. Right? August, I think. And

36:37

the platform stability phase

36:39

was reached, like, a couple of months before

36:42

So that means there should it shouldn't have been possible

36:44

for Google to add new APIs to the Android

36:46

thirteen platform. So how do they

36:48

end up doing that? Well, thanks to a

36:50

thing you may have heard of called Project Mainline.

36:52

They're able to actually deliver

36:55

new APIs to devices through

36:57

in Google Play system update.

37:00

So that's why these Android thirteen

37:02

devices or these new these new privacy

37:04

sandbox APIs are only available

37:06

on select Android thirteen devices that

37:08

have received a recent

37:10

Google Play system update that brings

37:13

these new privacy sandbox APIs

37:15

to them. It's not available on all

37:17

Android thirteen devices out of the box, but

37:20

if you have recently updated

37:23

Google Play system updated version on your

37:25

Android thirteen device, then these

37:27

APIs may be available 617, of course,

37:29

there's also the opt in aspect. As

37:31

Wednesday, you'd have to have a device that's

37:33

been selected as part of Google's AB

37:35

test

37:36

because, of course, There's an AP test.

37:38

I I love that

37:40

point you brought 617, so because, you know, that project may land.

37:42

I like, when it first got announced, it's it's a very

37:45

highly technical thing. And if you try to

37:47

explain it to someone kind of like just your average person,

37:49

it it it's hard to see, like, the value

37:52

of especially when it was first 617. But

37:55

you know, I I think, you know, between this and the photographer

37:57

and other things that are just able to kind of you

37:59

know, we're we're able to slot in 617, like

38:02

large and large scale improvements to the OS.

38:04

It's really fun to see that kind of play out.

38:06

You know what I'm saying? Like, few years later

38:08

617, you know, part of, like, the whole

38:10

fragmentation thing or the part of, like, you know,

38:13

issues with backwards compatibility can be

38:15

can be solved in part by this. So I love that

38:17

you wrote that up and, yeah, that's really cool point that

38:20

mainline just keeps on giving and it will continue

38:22

to give hopefully things like

38:23

this. So and and a

38:25

quick note on the on the privacy sandbox

38:28

initiative on Google is that if you go to

38:30

privacy sandbox dot com, you see their whole 617

38:32

of break breakdown of it 617 this

38:34

is already they're already implementing this in the web within

38:36

Chrome, and now this is just the implementation with Android.

38:39

So this is like a Google wide kind

38:41

of initiative thing and 617 applying the

38:43

same concept, the same

38:45

product name, the same approach to

38:48

every platform that they're on, which honestly

38:50

knowing what we, you know, after tracking Google for

38:52

the past oh, geez. Almost fifteen years now.

38:54

It's nice to see kind of like a unified approach

38:57

right, versus just, like, here's the privacy

38:59

approach on Android, and we're doing another thing over here

39:01

on the web. Like, at least they're finally starting to

39:03

get the left hand and the right hand working together.

39:05

So Interesting.

39:09

Alright. Good. Well, good. Yay for privacy.

39:11

There you go. Alright.

39:13

Well, excellent. So we are

39:15

going to bid a dude to Michelle. Thanks

39:18

for joining us for the first part of the show. It's always

39:20

great to have you on.

39:22

Oh, thanks for having me. I always 617 talking about

39:24

Android, 617, of course, this being Android.

39:26

The week after Android fourteen, perfect time to

39:28

to come back onto the

39:29

show.

39:30

For a time for you for sure. And then we already told people

39:32

where they can find you follow you on Twitter, etcetera,

39:34

etcetera. So thanks for joining us, Michelle. And

39:37

I'm sure next time you're on, 617 gonna

39:39

wanna talk about developer preview

39:41

more. So I'm sure we're gonna get even deeper into preview

39:43

too when that comes out. So but, yes, Jason

39:45

is not with

39:46

We we magic erased him from from the

39:48

show. He'll be back, though. We'll just hit the redo.

39:50

Undo. Exactly. Exactly.

39:53

So, alright, Michelle. Well, have a great night, and

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42:57

with that, we've got a whole bunch of

42:59

leaks in hardware to talk 617. So let's get right to

43:01

it. Alrighty.

43:13

So this 617 this one isn't this one isn't

43:15

a leak, but it's a it's it's it's a launch

43:17

rather. So Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So

43:19

we got a launch, we got some leaky. So

43:22

y'all know we like 617 on the show,

43:24

but we tend to have kind of a bit of a small

43:27

selection. Well, that

43:29

selection actually might widen at least for some

43:31

of us some of the Android faithful because the

43:33

Apple find 617 two flip

43:36

is coming next week, and

43:38

it's a global launch. So we have

43:40

briefly talked about the Oppo find

43:42

n two and the Oppo find n two flip,

43:44

which are basically you know, Apple,

43:46

this Chinese OEM going toe to toe foldable

43:49

to foldable with Samsung. At least in certain markets

43:51

anyway, both of these phones were released in

43:54

China to start with December last year.

43:56

So the Apple find into flip,

43:59

which is what is going to be globally

44:01

launched, looks a lot like

44:03

the Samsung 617 flip four

44:05

except looking at the exterior

44:08

screen which on the z Flip

44:10

four is, you know, 617 of small horizontal

44:13

oriented oriented 617 screen

44:15

is actually portrait oriented

44:18

on the find

44:21

end to flip, and it's quite a bit bigger. It's actually

44:23

three point two six inches tall, which is kinda

44:25

massive for a foldable

44:28

exterior screen compared to the one point

44:30

nine inch tall z flip screen.

44:33

And inside, you know, you got Things

44:35

that are very comparable to the flip itself.

44:37

You've got a six point eight straight screen,

44:40

which refreshes at a hundred twenty hertz.

44:42

617 it it is actually rocking the

44:44

Media Tech 617 nine thousand plus

44:46

chipset, which I know that I know

44:49

Jason and myself some degree advantages

44:51

some bias 617, but, you know, it's a great chipset

44:53

617 that is what the Apple 617 two

44:55

flip is rocking 617 four

44:57

to three hundred milliamp battery, which by the

44:59

way, is bigger than the three thousand seven hundred milliamp

45:02

battery of the z flip. And of course,

45:04

it's using Oppo's color OS

45:06

thirteen. Now 617 phone is getting a global

45:08

launch in the UK on February fifteenth,

45:11

not really any word about the US market

45:13

617. 617 because

45:16

it's so similar to the z

45:18

617 four, it even has, like, some of the same colorways

45:20

like this really popular purple 1. It'll

45:22

be really interesting to see, you know,

45:25

especially maybe in more 617, like, the western

45:27

market where it can compete, you know, kind of

45:29

head to head in a more comfortable TWiT

45:31

the Samsung fold 617, what

45:33

the price will be, and how, you know, how

45:36

is it gonna compare? I think the zif I

45:38

forgot how much the zif looks. I didn't write

45:40

down when that's how much the z flip for was, but it

45:42

was, like, nine ninety nine z flip.

45:43

Sorry.

45:44

617 this It wasn't cheap. That's for sure. Yeah.

45:46

wasn't it's not cheap. Z 617 four price is

45:48

Sorry. Just googling that real quick.

45:50

Okay. Nine ninety nine. Yeah. 9999999999995999999999.

45:55

So 999 So so

45:59

presumably, you know, if the Apple

46:01

find n two wants to be competitive, and

46:04

go toe to toe with Samsung

46:06

very directly in this kind of foldable space.

46:08

We'll have to see whether they can price it competitively.

46:11

617 if you're in the UK and you

46:13

like you

46:14

affordable, you just got one more option.

46:16

There is It's just the app. Oh, sorry. ahead.

46:18

617 you say, it's just it's just another example

46:20

of 617, you know, every company is coming

46:23

up in a foldable. It's like this is it's

46:25

taken a few

46:26

years, but foldables are becoming a

46:28

a legit port portion of the marketplace.

46:32

I'm excited. I still when I go

46:34

out and I I kinda pull up my z fold

46:36

for people I really think there's something magic

46:38

TWiT, and I know a lot I I think it it's

46:40

weird because I think there's two engines of spectrums. You're 617, you

46:42

look at it and you're like, that's cute, but little like,

46:45

617. And there's some people that are genuinely like,

46:47

oh, wow. That is really cool. Like, what phone is

46:49

that? Like, who makes it? Well,

46:53

well, Apple make one is a question I get a lot.

46:55

617 I do like like, I totally agree. I think

46:57

that there's we're I think we're we're

46:59

getting over the tipping point. Like, there's

47:01

tipping point. We're kinda leaning over 617

47:04

it it's just leading over 617 there's more and more

47:06

617 in their

47:06

side. Well, as and and I think the other

47:09

example that that shows, you know,

47:11

kind of main trade of adoption is that 617 TWiT

47:13

might be, you know, product placement, but I'm

47:15

seeing 617 on TV shows.

47:17

You know, like, I'm I'm not I'm I'm not ashamed

47:20

to admit that I'm watching the second season of Gossip

47:22

617, and it's it's Jomex, and one of the characters

47:24

has a Samsung flip as her as her

47:26

primary phone. So Uh-huh.

47:29

You know, and and maybe they placement placed

47:31

it. I didn't didn't see didn't check the 617 to see if

47:33

there's any promotional consideration. But, like,

47:36

even if they didn't, then that just shows even further

47:38

that it's VC and it's that's also a very

47:40

you know, kind of fashion forward kind

47:42

of show with spoiled kids on the upper

47:45

upper east side. But, you

47:46

know, but it could be seen as a fashion accessory.

47:48

So there it is. 617 it.

47:51

Hey. I'm No. III mean,

47:53

I I'm gonna try not to be so devied down

47:55

on 617 of marketing and

47:57

how companies need sell

47:59

phones? Because 617, cerebral

48:01

is not a bad idea and, hey, gassed, 617 girls not

48:03

a bad idea either, especially for herself. No. 617 day,

48:05

I I wish I could say that the the the

48:08

the the second season was even worthy

48:10

of a phone like a like that. Oh,

48:12

it's it's pretty bad. It's pretty

48:14

bad. It's been 617, and I don't I don't

48:16

disagree with that decision by their

48:18

side. Oh my goodness.

48:20

Alright. Well, so so now we 617 a we got a nice

48:22

parade of leaked ahead of you for upcoming

48:24

phones and and 617 I feel like it is,

48:26

you know, that that early point in the year

48:28

where we're we're starting to see the cycle happen

48:31

and, you know, and and new phones

48:33

get announced or get get rumored about.

48:35

And one of them, you know, through the years

48:37

at all about Android here, I know we've we've covered

48:39

the Moto G series because that

48:42

really has been the forerunner of, like, the affordable

48:44

phone, like, the budget phone line, you know, in

48:46

terms of, like, if you wanna get someone on Android,

48:48

but you don't wanna spend a thousand dollars on crazy

48:51

flip phone or 617

48:53

flagship phone or that sort of 617. The Moto

48:56

G has always been a solid, solid choice

48:58

to deliver a phone that's TWiT an

49:00

OS experience that's near close to AOSP

49:03

617 just a solid, solid phone. So

49:05

we've seen 617 a couple of leaks

49:08

of renders of the Moto

49:10

g 617 twenty twenty three, and

49:13

it was actually released by the Onleak's Patreon

49:16

1 teamed up with them and and took that to Twitter to get

49:18

out to the world. And it shows couple

49:20

of of 617 differences between

49:22

last year's Moto g stylists

49:25

and and what could be this year's. And

49:27

it looks like the glossy back is gone

49:29

and replaced with a matte material TWiT

49:31

that kind of with that texture, with that tacky kind

49:34

of texture. Whether or not that

49:36

that makes it seem like cheaper phone or not

49:38

versus AAA glossy back,

49:40

you know, it's up to you. We'll see it when we see it in person,

49:42

but it definitely did change 617 design. Furthermore,

49:45

they changed the camera array. So

49:47

instead of three lenses on it for

49:49

the Moto g style twenty twenty three, they're going for

49:51

two going for two 617. We've

49:55

only gotten leaks of the renders. We don't know what the

49:57

specs of them are, but the

50:00

the renders, you know, show a fifty megapixel

50:02

sensor which is the same count found on

50:04

previous generations. So probably gonna be the

50:06

same, but going with two lenses instead of three.

50:09

And then finally, the stylus silo

50:12

or 617 little spot for the stylus is in the

50:14

same spot 617 the on the right bottom of the device

50:17

617 the and the front

50:19

of the display has the punch all camera

50:21

still so consistent from previous

50:23

years. And it looks like they've

50:25

added the headphone jack on

50:27

617 twenty twenty three model,

50:30

which is, you know, many will make many people happy

50:32

to have that courage port. So

50:37

So yeah. So don't know 617, don't

50:39

know availability, don't know specs. We're gonna keep an

50:41

eye out for it, but the, you know, Moto g stylist

50:43

stepping up to be a good budget option

50:46

on the Android hardware side of

50:47

things. So Alright. Well,

50:49

I got got another good budget option for 617,

50:51

and that is from the very popular Samsung

50:54

Galaxy a series. This is a leaky

50:56

pick Lisa, leaky. This is a leaky peaky.

50:58

This is not a not a not a materialized option

51:01

yet, 617, of course, 617 series

51:03

has also been super popular among the mid rangers

51:05

617 there have been some leaks

51:08

of the upcoming a fifty four. So

51:10

there's like, the renders don't show too much

51:12

that is different. Any kind of obvious

51:15

changes from the a fifty three. There

51:17

are a couple of things that we've got, you know, like, speculative

51:20

specs, speculative specs, that

51:23

that didn't that it's little 617. But, yeah,

51:25

spec there's some speculation about what the specs

51:27

might be. 617 it's kinda

51:29

shrinking a little bit down to a six point four

51:31

screen, 617 1 hertz.

51:34

What's interesting is that, you know, the a series is still

51:36

using the exynose chip made in house

51:38

by Samsung. There is a tiny bit more

51:40

of a RAM as an option, including

51:42

both a six and eight gigabyte RAM.

51:45

Options on the a fifty four, one

51:47

twenty eight slash fifty six gigabytes storage,

51:50

which is expandable with micro micro SD

51:52

card. 617 kind of

51:54

like the biggest change for the 617, which

51:56

still will maintain the kind of the three camera array

51:58

in the back, is that the main sensor

52:01

is actually going from sixty four megapixel down

52:03

to a fifty, but that doesn't necessarily mean that

52:05

the that the camera quality is going down.

52:07

The new sensor 617 has, you know, better

52:10

low light. Yeah. Was it low yeah. Low light or

52:13

I wrote I wrote love light because Valentine's

52:15

Day. So I type up Love light. -- in the spirit of I love

52:17

light. It's it's

52:20

it's interiorally has better

52:22

low light and dynamic range. So,

52:25

you know, that's an option for you. And of course, as

52:27

a mid range, it probably won't have any wireless

52:30

charging, but it does rock a five thousand

52:32

milliamp battery with twenty five watt charging,

52:34

not so bad. And it will presumably launch with

52:36

1 UI five point zero, which, of course, is based

52:39

on Android thirteen. No

52:40

pricing. No release dates

52:43

just yet. We're gonna 617 guess around February

52:45

or March. Which is kind of in line with previous releases.

52:48

And there is a rumor that in

52:51

617, the a fifty four

52:53

might actually be maybe fifty euros

52:55

more expensive than the a fifty three, which is

52:57

kind odd because the fifty

53:00

three was cheaper than the fifty two. So we're kind

53:02

of price is kind of, you know, doing all doing a

53:04

little bit up and down 617 dip, but

53:07

still probably gonna be an excellent mid range

53:09

option, which be like around here. So

53:11

keep we're gonna keep our eyes peeled for the next

53:13

month or two on the a fifty four

53:15

or for the a fifty four.

53:17

Yeah. I I 617 the thing is is that, like,

53:19

we talk we spent so 617 we I I you know,

53:21

after doing this so many years and I feel you know,

53:23

sometimes I feel it's a bit like groundhog's day and stuff

53:25

like that. But we do We do spend so much time

53:28

we do spend so much time talking about the flagships

53:30

and talking about the fallables and talking about these really,

53:32

really expensive things. And I set it every

53:34

year know, what 617 that is that

53:36

the mid range and the budget range is so

53:38

important for Android just as a sector of period

53:41

because you not everyone can

53:43

a four hundred thousand dollar phone, you know. And so I had

53:45

to see that Samsung, you know, is prioritizing

53:48

Google prioritizes it. Moto prioritizes

53:50

it. Like, they are they I think they're an important

53:52

part of the the marketplace. So

53:54

Yeah. Yeah. And I I forgot to mention that, you know,

53:56

this phone kind of in the vein of, like, other,

53:58

you know, Samsung and other other manufacturers

54:01

trying to give you extra support does have four

54:03

OS updates and five year security updates. So

54:05

not only is it is it mid range phone that hopefully

54:07

will still be quite affordable, but you can

54:09

keep it for a while. So that is definitely

54:12

something that we're also 617, and I'm very glad

54:14

to see that supports there.

54:18

Cool. So We got one more leaky for

54:20

you. We got 617 yeah. We got one more

54:22

leaky peaky for you. And that is the next

54:25

Sony flagship phone, which is the

54:27

Xperia Alright. So this

54:29

is the Xperia 151V.

54:32

So it's roman numeral. So is it one v or is

54:34

it one

54:34

five? The Sony Xperia. Is it

54:36

don't know. That's a good question.

54:39

Because there's a one IV,

54:41

which is 617 course 1 roman numeral

54:43

four, So what is it? Is it the one? No.

54:45

This is the five because this is the five crazy

54:48

because because the the

54:50

previous one is the Sony Xperia one

54:52

IV. So -- Yeah. -- which is the Xperia

54:54

one four. So this is the 1V15.

54:57

Yeah. So that that makes sense.

54:59

I'm gonna press v just for clarity

55:01

on the audio only stream. 617 yeah. So

55:03

if you've been an 617 fan in the past and I

55:05

actually work with quite a few Experian

55:08

fans, and you wanna hold on

55:10

to that courage port, and your, you

55:12

know, of course, your headphone port 617 you like micro

55:14

SD storage. Well, then the Sony

55:16

Xperia one v will definitely be

55:18

something that you're gonna be excited about. The

55:20

design seems mostly unchanged from

55:23

the previous version, the Sony Xperia 1

55:26

IV, TWiT kind 617 a more box

55:28

of design, you know, a flat six point five

55:30

inch which, I mean, I'm kind of I'm

55:32

I'm I'm ready for the flat displays to come back, personally

55:34

speaking. But 617 will

55:37

get in this version a triple camera

55:39

617 on the back 617 an upgrade

55:42

to a forty eight megapixel main sensor. So

55:44

that for the previous version of the Xperia, the

55:46

cameras are twelve megapixels, and most of them

55:48

will continue to be for this next 617. But

55:51

you're gonna get an upgrade for that main sensor to forty

55:53

eight megapixels. There's a fingerprint

55:55

sensor embedded in the power button,

55:57

and this phone will be rocking

55:59

the Snapdragon eight Gen two

56:01

chip 617 roomaring

56:04

to have, like, a whole whole lot

56:06

of RAM, like, a whole

56:08

bunch, like sixteen 617. That

56:10

right. That's a lot.

56:11

A lot of that's a lot of gigabytes. A lot

56:13

of gigabytes. So

56:15

this leaky pheesa does suggest that they're gonna

56:17

could be announcement at the end of this month

56:20

month indicating that there is a summer release

56:22

for this phone. So if you're an 617

56:24

fan, you might

56:26

wanna hold on to your to

56:28

your to your cash for a little bit for the

56:31

for the Xperia 1 b

56:33

soon to be

56:34

announced, we think. So

56:36

there you go. Hold 617 on to that

56:38

headphone headphone jack for sure. Yeah.

56:40

Yeah. And my capacity storage.

56:43

Yep. 617. Well, some some

56:45

nice little teases of what's to come from Motorola,

56:47

Samsung, and Sony as as we as we gear

56:49

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And with that, we've got some apps.

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Alright. So when I couldn't I as we were

59:24

planning the show this week, I couldn't resist

59:26

dropping this in after we talked about it last week.

59:29

So

59:29

Yeah. It's it's it's it's

59:32

617 case of the Wisema system storage,

59:34

so big of a Samsung phone. Part

59:36

d because we talked a little bit about it

59:38

last week. And this is kind of like

59:41

a different angle on And

59:43

it's actually more of a correction

59:45

or kind of a alleviation of

59:47

some of Samsung's supposed

59:49

gilts so last or I think this week R

59:51

technical 617 Android thirty stated

59:54

that Android thirteen 617 specifically 1

59:56

UI five point o 617 its blower

59:58

was taking up sixty gigabytes of storage

1:00:01

And when you compare, you know,

1:00:03

sixty gigabytes of, you know, system storage

1:00:06

compared to say, like, 617 seven's partition,

1:00:08

which has, like, fifteen gigabytes, which

1:00:11

takes up fifteen gigabytes. That's kind of crazy

1:00:13

sounding. Right? Because say that you had a one hundred

1:00:15

twenty eight gigabyte model of the Galaxy

1:00:17

s Yeah. S twenty three. sorry. My bad. This

1:00:19

is specifically for the s twenty three. The report was

1:00:21

that the storage was

1:00:24

sixty gigabytes. So you you

1:00:26

can have like, it sounded like almost half of

1:00:28

your store just taken up by footwear. Well

1:00:31

so 617, this is actually not the case.

1:00:34

After some kind of

1:00:36

review and discussion on Twitter, it

1:00:38

does seem that this

1:00:41

is is not actually as bad as it sounds,

1:00:43

that it's not bloatware. So what

1:00:45

actually comes into play 617 very fascinating,

1:00:48

and that is conversion losses.

1:00:50

So basically, 617 so it

1:00:53

kilobyte is actually one

1:00:55

thousand twenty four bytes, not

1:00:57

one thousand bytes, even though It's gonna

1:01:00

be 617 little bite. It really should just be a thousand,

1:01:02

but there's an extra extra little twenty four

1:01:04

bytes there. So because of this

1:01:06

conversion loss, you know, where, you

1:01:08

know, the stated storage and the actual kind

1:01:10

of 617 storage by system because we

1:01:13

binary and all that kind of stuff. 617, OEMs

1:01:16

like to obfuscate this discrepancy

1:01:19

in conversion by just assigning

1:01:21

this lost system storage. So

1:01:23

it's actually not where it's

1:01:25

it's more like an 617, like,

1:01:29

space. It's it's like it's like vapor space where there's

1:01:31

like this existential point of your phone where you

1:01:33

you have to kind of meditate on what a kilobyte

1:01:35

617 and that's where all that's going. So

1:01:38

I think this makes it like seven percent better,

1:01:40

which I mean is still not a little

1:01:42

bit of space, but I find it

1:01:45

absolutely 617. That

1:01:47

how you count 617 how

1:01:49

you count kilobytes was

1:01:52

leading to people getting upset? I mean because, yeah,

1:01:54

it If half of your systems, if half of

1:01:56

your storage, your 617 storage is in the system,

1:01:58

yeah, that sucks. But it's absolutely

1:02:00

fascinating that because of the way

1:02:03

we count, there's an extra seven percent of 617

1:02:05

store distributed where it it may

1:02:07

not actually be it may not actually be there. So,

1:02:09

like, it's it's not so much that it's not there.

1:02:11

It's just more like the stated, you

1:02:13

know, manufacturer amount of storage

1:02:16

is a little bit less than actual And

1:02:18

so when you look inside of your

1:02:20

phone, the real story gets told, this

1:02:22

is just this is this

1:02:24

is 617 a only in only in our space

1:02:26

this be a thing. Right? Or it's like Right.

1:02:28

-- comes you know, where it comes down

1:02:31

to, like, 617, like, first of anybody

1:02:33

listening or watching 617 show who's not aware,

1:02:35

of how many bytes are in a kilobyte and,

1:02:37

you know, like, 617 the the two fifty

1:02:39

six, five twelve, ten twenty four progression.

1:02:42

Right? I feel like that kind of 101.

1:02:44

Right? It's just the 617 fact that

1:02:46

this is how the story is ending is

1:02:48

is, I think, very 617 amusing. So

1:02:51

I Yeah. It it it makes it doesn't make

1:02:53

sense. Right? Because any kind of other measurement, you know,

1:02:55

like, kilometer is a thousand freaking meters.

1:02:57

Like, that's it's just cut and dry. Right? That's just

1:03:00

how the language works. No. Computer science

1:03:02

is a little different. We give you ten twenty four.

1:03:04

We give you twenty fifty six and y'all

1:03:06

figure it out. Like, I I love it. And now,

1:03:08

617 it's funny because, you know, you you kind of

1:03:11

always think, oh, that that kind of stuff is just

1:03:13

weird stuff from college or whatever that just

1:03:15

sits in your head. No. It's actually keeping

1:03:17

some people off because they noticed. And now,

1:03:19

like, consumers who maybe aren't aware of

1:03:21

this weird discrepancy, you know, and

1:03:23

617 now we gotta write write 617 now we gotta

1:03:25

talk about articles about it. Kinda

1:03:27

awesome. Right. Just 617. Anyway It's

1:03:29

very very very funny. So Oh, well.

1:03:31

Well, not so fun not so

1:03:34

funny 617 also picking up a story that I feel like

1:03:36

we talked about on recent episodes. It might even last week

1:03:38

or the week before. But remember

1:03:40

when remember we were talking about Google Podcasts, 617

1:03:43

we're Google's search results. How the Google

1:03:45

podcast links were disappearing from the search

1:03:47

results and that sort of thing. Right?

1:03:50

Well, that that was originally spotted

1:03:53

by pod news dot net who noted in January

1:03:56

that when you search for a podcast, you no longer

1:03:58

got any play buttons or links to Google Podcast itself.

1:04:01

617 at that time, Google said the feature is working,

1:04:03

quote unquote, as intended. But

1:04:05

actually, there's a new announcement

1:04:08

in Google Podcast Manager that says the feature

1:04:10

is officially being shut down as of

1:04:13

yesterday, February thirteenth. In

1:04:16

their update, they said Google Search will stop showing

1:04:18

podcast carousels by February thirteenth.

1:04:21

As a result, clicks and impressions 617 how people

1:04:23

find your show will drop to zero after that

1:04:25

date. 617 617

1:04:29

being being instructed to download any historical

1:04:31

data they want to keep in advance of this

1:04:33

final closure. And

1:04:36

the thing was, like, as 617 you know, I'm a

1:04:38

obviously, I'm a podcaster. I've got several other podcasts.

1:04:41

You know, like, we we do this show, but I've got my own

1:04:43

shows and something like that. Google Podcast has

1:04:45

not been a has not been an impact

1:04:48

whatsoever in terms

1:04:50

of numbers and things like that. It's it's it's primarily

1:04:52

been you know, it's it's Apple,

1:04:54

it's Spotify, it's 617. And

1:04:56

we're gonna talk about that a little bit. It's it's overcast.

1:04:59

It's all all the other, you know, podcast catches

1:05:01

that are out there. Podcast rarely even

1:05:04

broke into the top ten of, like, download

1:05:06

sources for me. So I'm I'm not surprised that

1:05:08

they're winding this experiment down. It's just a bummer.

1:05:11

So

1:05:12

Yeah. It's just I mean, because it's a nice

1:05:14

feature. Right? And and you kind of I

1:05:16

I mean, Google the Google results does

1:05:18

so much of this, like, nicely packaging results

1:05:21

to kind 617, like, augment

1:05:23

or facilitate you interacting with it, whatever

1:05:25

it is, you know, like YouTube videos are kind of other things.

1:05:28

It's kinda sad, honestly, because podcasting

1:05:30

is still a big part of, like, most of our Internet

1:05:32

Internet, you know, media lives and I

1:05:35

mean, it makes sense because it's a feature, so it needs

1:05:37

617. But, yeah, it's it is a bummer.

1:05:40

Yeah. I mean, because because there's so much potential

1:05:42

for what Google potentially could do if I don't know. So

1:05:44

they're just not to yeah. But it's

1:05:46

it's not making 617. So I I make sense.

1:05:48

I it makes sense. I understand. It's just it's

1:05:50

a bummer. So

1:05:52

anyway Right. Right. Well, So

1:05:54

from features lost to features gained.

1:05:57

I got a little good news for for y'all, especially

1:05:59

for folks that are rocking

1:06:01

the 617 OS three 617. Because

1:06:04

617, there was a really great feature to land

1:06:06

on your Wear OS, and that was basically if

1:06:08

you have an LTE connected Wear OS

1:06:10

device, you could actually use term

1:06:12

by term Google Maps navigation without,

1:06:15

you know, having to be connected to your smartphone. So if

1:06:17

you all go 617, like, are

1:06:19

your hosts run or if you just, you know,

1:06:21

kind of like doing any other activity where you don't

1:06:23

wanna have to worry about bringing your phone and you

1:06:25

still wanna have navigation. If you had an LTE

1:06:27

connected wear device, you had TWiT. is

1:06:30

there was one hiccup though, is that because when you

1:06:32

put your wrist down, of course, the display

1:06:35

will turn 617, and so there goes your turn by turn

1:06:37

navigation. So 617 they have

1:06:39

done is actually updated the navigation app

1:06:41

on WEROS three to

1:06:44

have always on display support for

1:06:46

turn by turn navigation. So if you're out 617

1:06:48

you make taking advantage of that, you know

1:06:50

you know kind of

1:06:52

like wear OS three only turn by turn,

1:06:55

Now, you know, if, you know, you're running

1:06:57

and your risk goes down rather than kind 617, like,

1:06:59

you know, sleep in or just, like, turn display

1:07:01

off, you'll actually get that always on display with

1:07:03

a list of directions. And,

1:07:06

of course, if you are worried about battery life

1:07:08

or just privacy, someone looking at looking

1:07:10

at your 617 and seeing where you're going, you can

1:07:13

turn that off. But if you are someone

1:07:15

who has already used and enjoyed

1:07:17

this turn by turn feature, and I now got a little

1:07:19

bit better with the always on play, just making sure

1:07:21

that you always have those directions up.

1:07:23

So don't know. I just this is the

1:07:25

kind 617, like, little teeny, 617 tweak to quality

1:07:28

of life that is don't

1:07:29

know. I just love stuff like this where -- Yeah.

1:07:31

-- takes a good feature and just makes it a little more

1:07:33

usable, a little more accessible. So

1:07:35

there you go.

1:07:36

Gotta love it. Gotta love it. So cool.

1:07:39

Alright. So so there's some

1:07:41

updates on apps, but After

1:07:44

a brief hiatus, our good friend JR 617

1:07:46

of Android Intelligence is back with a tip for

1:07:48

us this week, and we were talking

1:07:51

earlier about Samsung, about bloatware,

1:07:53

and about 617, you

1:07:55

need range phones. 617 j

1:07:58

r is actually he's focusing on Samsung

1:08:00

this

1:08:00

week. So those are you Samsung users. You

1:08:02

might wanna listen up to this one. So JR, take

1:08:04

it away. Hey,

1:08:06

hey. So this is the week.

1:08:09

The week that Samsung's latest and

1:08:11

greatest galaxy gadgets make their

1:08:13

way out into the world and

1:08:15

into the hands of many an

1:08:17

eager android fan. With that

1:08:19

in mind, I thought it'd be fun to take a look at

1:08:21

a few cool new gesture based

1:08:24

617. 617 snuck into

1:08:27

its Android thirteen 617. And

1:08:29

they'll actually work on any Samsung phone with

1:08:31

Android thirteen you don't even

1:08:33

need 617 schmanci newness

1:08:35

necessarily. Three things in

1:08:37

617, and they all revolve around

1:08:40

multitasking. Ready? Alright.

1:08:43

Up first 617 Samsung's version of Android

1:08:45

thirteen, you can swipe up from the

1:08:47

bottom of your screen with two fingers

1:08:50

to get directly into Android's split

1:08:53

screen mode. That's where you can see two

1:08:55

apps on your screen together at the

1:08:57

same time. Pretty handy, right?

1:08:59

That split screen function has been kinda out

1:09:01

of the way and buried in Android for a

1:09:03

long time now. I don't know what you, but always

1:09:05

find it mostly out of sight, out of

1:09:07

mind for me because of that. So

1:09:09

this really goes a long way in making it feel more

1:09:12

like a prominent 617 part

1:09:14

of the main interface and 617 that's

1:09:16

never more than single swipe away. Next,

1:09:19

you can swipe your finger down diagonally

1:09:21

from the top corner of your screen

1:09:24

to shift any app you're using into

1:09:26

a floating pop up

1:09:27

window. Yeah.

1:09:28

How about that? It's a slightly different twist

1:09:30

on using two apps together at the same time

1:09:32

and something that could potentially be useful

1:09:34

in certain situations. Being able

1:09:36

to make it happen so easily anytime

1:09:39

is definitely a nice little touch. Finally,

1:09:42

if you go into Samsung's overview area,

1:09:45

you know, the thing that shows you all your recently

1:09:47

used apps when you swipe up from the bottom

1:09:49

of the screen with one finger and then stop,

1:09:51

You can find a cool new hidden shortcut

1:09:53

for moving any app into that

1:09:56

split screen view or that

1:09:58

pop up view right from there

1:10:00

Just press and hold your finger onto any

1:10:02

apps card in that 617, then

1:10:04

drop it in the middle of the screen to put it into

1:10:06

a pop up window. Or drag it to the

1:10:09

top or bottom of your screen to

1:10:11

zip right into that split screen mode

1:10:13

and see it alongside any other

1:10:15

app you want. Now, these

1:10:17

are technically all experimental

1:10:20

features. All that means though is that

1:10:22

you've got to go into your phone settings mind

1:10:24

and flip one little switch before they'll

1:10:26

show up and be available to you, before you

1:10:29

really even know that they're there that exists

1:10:31

in the first place. And don't worry. It's

1:10:33

actually really really easy

1:10:35

to do. Just head into your

1:10:37

system settings in Samsung's

1:10:39

Android thirteen setup Scroll

1:10:41

down and tap the line for advanced features,

1:10:45

then tap labs, and

1:10:47

activate the toggles next to swipe

1:10:49

for pop up view and swipe

1:10:51

for split

1:10:52

screen.

1:10:53

That's it. Pretty cool stuff

1:10:55

and I'm not gonna lie. It's stuff that makes

1:10:57

me just a teensy lean 617 little bit

1:10:59

jealous. It's a long time pixel

1:11:01

user. I'm 617 done to hope that maybe Google

1:11:04

will take inspiration from this and bring

1:11:06

some of the same sort of stuff into Android itself.

1:11:08

At some point down the line. It really

1:11:10

just does seem like a super

1:11:12

sensible set of additions to the existing

1:11:14

Android gesture setup. Don't you think?

1:11:17

Hey, while we're thinking about shortcuts, just

1:11:19

a reminder that I've got a killer weeklong

1:11:22

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1:11:24

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1:11:26

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Imagine that. And it's just to

1:11:31

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1:11:33

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1:11:37

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1:11:42

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1:11:44

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1:11:46

site again is android intel dot

1:11:48

net TWiT. I'll

1:11:50

see you there 617 I'll see you right back

1:11:52

here for even more tasty

1:11:54

android

1:11:55

treats. Next week. Well,

1:11:57

thank you JR, and it's always good to get

1:11:59

a handy tip for Samsung users. But when I always

1:12:01

feel like whenever we

1:12:04

wrap up one of JR's tips. We need to unpack

1:12:06

it because there's a lot going on in this

1:12:08

one in addition to the gestures. You

1:12:12

mean a shirt? Or do you think? It's a great shirt.

1:12:14

It's a great shirt. It it looks like it's a

1:12:16

it's his Android. It might be one of his

1:12:17

shirts. It looks like his Android 617 logo.

1:12:20

It 1

1:12:21

yeah, on what looks like a a hind

1:12:23

style can of beans or something

1:12:26

617 of thing like that. Very

1:12:28

cool shirt. 617 also,

1:12:30

I also appreciate how all of JR's contextual

1:12:33

examples all include past episodes

1:12:35

of all about Android or Google searches for

1:12:37

Jason or

1:12:38

me. Or anybody else on the show. So,

1:12:40

yeah, it's it's 617 freaky. But You

1:12:42

know, I'm I'm sorry. I think I think I think

1:12:44

I think Pac Northwest noted, you

1:12:47

know, 617 a nice way to get you 617 that video

1:12:49

if you try and Google Glass. And I have to say, like,

1:12:51

for some reason, every, like, ten days,

1:12:53

you YouTube is, like, hey, you wanna

1:12:55

watch this episode of all about Android and it's always

1:12:57

the one where you're trying Google

1:12:59

Glass. So it's always like that thumbnail. I

1:13:01

just think it's just like 617 It's

1:13:03

just 617 part of my Android legacy. I'm quite

1:13:05

I'm quite I'm quite proud of it.

1:13:07

I will say the the the the

1:13:09

live stream chat room is is popping 617 JRs

1:13:12

things because not only did Pac 617 point

1:13:14

you know, focusing me on on that Google

1:13:16

last 617 hats off to Scooter X for

1:13:18

say he heard that JR was not on last week

1:13:20

because he ran out of t shirts, which is

1:13:22

very funny. So good stuff.

1:13:25

Well, thank you, JR. You

1:13:27

keep us informed. We appreciate it. We love your wardrobe.

1:13:30

Good stuff. Mhmm. So TWiT with

1:13:32

that 617 next we're gonna hear from you

1:13:34

the Android community with your feedback.

1:13:37

And every

1:13:39

week, every day, you can write

1:13:41

to us at triple a at TWiT tv

1:13:43

or call us A347 show 617.

1:13:46

And we do say you can send in video messages

1:13:48

or voice messages And I'm really excited

1:13:50

this week. One of you took us up on that. But first,

1:13:53

Quinn, you got the first email, which is just 617 old

1:13:55

fashioned written prose

1:13:56

email. But still, it's pretty cool. 617 it

1:13:59

away. Yes. Yes. So

1:14:01

a year's back. Oh, sorry. So this is

1:14:03

my bad. So this is from

1:14:05

Odir. My bad,

1:14:07

if I mispronounced your name, 617,

1:14:10

Lurenshu, Lurenshu, 617. I

1:14:13

really apologize. And you can send me either

1:14:15

a written email or a voicemail

1:14:18

correcting my pronunciation if if I just

1:14:20

got it totally wrong. But Lauren

1:14:22

Shu. Lauren Shu writes us saying

1:14:25

a few years back, 617 Ion recommended

1:14:27

a podcast app that had a simple interface,

1:14:30

podkicker, but I had already

1:14:32

been using it since my first Android phone,

1:14:34

the Galaxy S3I loved

1:14:37

it because it had a very simple interface,

1:14:39

no ads, no recommendations, didn't

1:14:42

even have variable speed playback when I

1:14:44

first started using it. Pay

1:14:46

for the pro version as soon as I could.

1:14:49

This week, it started to show a couple of

1:14:51

sponsored, not suggested or recommended,

1:14:53

617 in the main

1:14:55

tab of the pro version of

1:14:57

the app with no way to remove

1:14:59

them, just an option to subscribe. I

1:15:02

dug very superficially 617 an

1:15:04

ad entity called Maple Media seems

1:15:06

to have acquired the app from original

1:15:08

developer. And seems to be serving

1:15:11

as in the pro version too. I

1:15:13

hate it now. I totally understand. Can

1:15:15

you or 617 recommend an alternative

1:15:17

app that has a similarly simple

1:15:20

interface. It has to be a single purchase

1:15:22

and not have ads, recommendations, etcetera.

1:15:25

If it has a dark, black theme that would be

1:15:27

a bonus, but not a deal breaker. Thanks.

1:15:30

Lauren Hsu, 617. And I'm again, really

1:15:32

sorry if I 617 it. Yep. I

1:15:35

don't know, 617, you're you're I think you're definitely

1:15:37

the stronger podcast listener between the two

1:15:39

of

1:15:40

us. Do you have an idea? I mean,

1:15:42

yeah, III it's it's if you're watching

1:15:44

the video show, now you can see what Burke just pulled

1:15:46

up and a hundred percent is podcasts. 617

1:15:48

is the only podcast for

1:15:50

Android as far as I'm concerned. It is as close

1:15:53

to ubiquity for Android

1:15:55

as Apple Podcasts as for Apple. It's

1:15:57

what I use. And the great

1:15:59

thing is is TWiT has a dark

1:16:01

mode which is great. 617 got that there. Mhmm.

1:16:04

There are no ads in it. I do pay for

1:16:06

the for the extra version or whatever, but

1:16:08

I've never seen an ad in the app ever. But

1:16:10

the way the app is set up and organized

1:16:12

is that you can subscribe to your you

1:16:14

you do use the Discover section to

1:16:16

go search for podcasts and subscribe to them.

1:16:19

1 you subscribe to all your podcasts, the

1:16:22

listen tab is where you

1:16:24

kind of you you you you know, I'm I'm pulling it

1:16:26

up on my phone right now. Make sure I'm using the right vernacular

1:16:28

here. 617, yeah, the podcast tab, which is the

1:16:30

first tab on the lower left of the of

1:16:32

the NAV, is just all your podcasts that you subscribe

1:16:34

to. You if

1:16:36

you tap 617, that's where they show

1:16:39

you what's trending or what's 617 recommending

1:16:41

or, you know, they're kind of curation, but

1:16:43

you never need to go look at that ever. You do

1:16:45

need to go there to go search for podcast to go subscribe

1:16:48

to But once you get subscribed, you can stay in that podcast

1:16:50

tab 617 never see anything else and keep it completely

1:16:52

contained in your experience. And

1:16:55

it's got great little other little

1:16:57

functionality tweaks like you can, you

1:17:00

know, increase the playback speed, which some

1:17:02

people love I don't III

1:17:04

go crazy when I try to listen on podcasts at one point

1:17:06

five speed. It's like chipmunks in my head, but people

1:17:08

like that. But one thing I do

1:17:10

utilize is that they have the ability to

1:17:14

617 software and boost the volume of the podcasts

1:17:16

because a lot of pod podcasts are amateur

1:17:18

made or not by people who are as tight as

1:17:20

audio kind of professionals as as

1:17:22

others might be. And there's some pockets I

1:17:24

listen to TWiT the audio levels lower 617 I'm on

1:17:26

the subway in New York and I need a little boost

1:17:29

just have that. It makes it louder so I can hear it little

1:17:31

better over the noise of the subway. So

1:17:33

I think 617 Cass is the bee's knees and 617 Lauren

1:17:35

too, I think you you would it

1:17:38

it will solve a lot of the problems that you're laying

1:17:40

out here in your email. So

1:17:42

Yeah. And just for extra flavor, my husband

1:17:44

and I both use 617 Cass, I pay for 617.

1:17:46

He does not 617 he does not get ads.

1:17:49

617, I mean, even I mean, it's up to

1:17:51

you. I know you said single purchase I believe

1:17:53

I looked at 617. It it's kind of a rarity

1:17:55

in the app store where it is a single purchase.

1:17:57

It's thirty five dollars. So it's kind of hard these

1:17:59

days to find an app that isn't

1:18:01

ads that that isn't ad

1:18:03

supported and that is single kind

1:18:06

of single price 617 because I think it's, you know, it's

1:18:08

it's kind of hard model to to

1:18:11

it's it's just not popular model right 617,

1:18:13

but my husband's super happy without

1:18:15

premium on pocket cast and I mean,

1:18:17

even the premium version, I think, is just niceties.

1:18:20

It's it's kind of impressive. I I kind

1:18:22

of just looked at the

1:18:23

other, you know, top podcasting

1:18:26

apps in the app store?

1:18:27

Four point o rating. Yeah. Four point

1:18:29

o rating. And mostly other

1:18:31

popular ones are as 617. So you're gonna

1:18:33

get your banner ads. I think or something like that.

1:18:35

You know? So it's you know, yeah,

1:18:37

just just ignore that 617

1:18:39

tab. Just pretend to date there. And

1:18:41

that's that's what I used to.

1:18:43

So Yeah. It works. So Mhmm.

1:18:45

Cool. Alright. Well,

1:18:47

for our next listener

1:18:51

email. It's actually a voicemail. This is

1:18:53

from Mike from California. So, Burke,

1:18:56

roll the voicemail.

1:19:00

Hello, turbo a crew. I

1:19:02

wanted to ask your opinion, when will

1:19:05

we see the first android phones with

1:19:07

satellite connectivity? 617 who will that

1:19:09

be from? I've made up my

1:19:11

mind that my next phone has to have

1:19:13

satellites with the amount of time that

1:19:15

I spend off the grid. Which

1:19:17

is not quite enough for a

1:19:19

dedicated device like a Garmin inreach,

1:19:22

but enough that I wanna have that safety note available.

1:19:25

Thanks. And this is Mike from 617, California,

1:19:28

longtime fan of the show. Alright.

1:19:31

Mike, great question. For those who

1:19:33

keep in track, Apple did

1:19:36

announce Adobe iPhone with satellite support

1:19:38

in late twenty twenty two. That's when they announced

1:19:41

actually, in September twenty twenty two, they announced

1:19:43

that satellite feature for the iPhone fourteen.

1:19:46

So I don't know I don't have crystal ball. I

1:19:48

can't predict when or

1:19:50

who the first set. Android satellite phone

1:19:52

will will will be or will come from.

1:19:54

But there was an article in earlier

1:19:56

this year, in January 617 on the BBC,

1:19:59

that spotlighted a partnership between

1:20:02

Iridium, the phone firm,

1:20:04

which is makes the original satellite

1:20:06

phone, and Qualcomm to

1:20:09

bring satellite connectivity to Android

1:20:11

smartphones later this year. So

1:20:14

we'll see what comes from this partnership between

1:20:16

Iridium and Qualcomm. 617

1:20:19

we'll see who will be the first manufacturer

1:20:22

to utilize satellite

1:20:23

phones. I mean, when I don't know. Have you heard anything about

1:20:25

android satellite phones yet? Or Not

1:20:28

personally, but to be honest, not

1:20:30

paying as much attention as I could be. But

1:20:32

it is kind of fun to see, like, the for

1:20:34

tat there and seeing how we can mean,

1:20:37

Mike, other 617 of support kinda ends up on

1:20:38

Android. So exciting stuff. Yeah. Very

1:20:41

exciting. Yeah. Very cool. Very

1:20:43

exciting. So yeah.

1:20:45

So you can call in. You can this guy,

1:20:47

Mike, he just attached a

1:20:49

wave file of his of his audio. So you

1:20:51

could do that on your own emails when you want to. 617

1:20:53

be totally fine. But

1:20:55

I'm excited to say that for this week's eve

1:20:58

of the week, I put out the call on Twitter saying if you

1:21:00

wanna be the eve of the

1:21:00

week, It could be you, and

1:21:03

we did have a lucky winner, so wouldn't take it away.

1:21:06

Absolutely. And the email of the week

1:21:08

is from a very assertive nurse. Forgot

1:21:11

that we were doing the fan 617 you. I heard it and then my brain

1:21:13

would just like be done with that. So, yes. So,

1:21:16

the email of the week, Never

1:21:21

get 617 there. I'm against all. Never get someone.

1:21:23

I'm a scared to nerd. 617, actually, a

1:21:25

friend too many too many a a TWiT

1:21:27

person on the inter 617, and that is

1:21:29

mister Lincoln C Chenery, the

1:21:31

third. Good to see you,

1:21:33

sir. Thank you for the question. And he

1:21:36

writes us to ask, Dear AAA team.

1:21:39

First, I am a long time fan. I

1:21:41

go back to Android Arena days. Good

1:21:43

times. I also met Ron 1 at

1:21:45

the n y or at the n y comic

1:21:47

con years ago. He gave me some great

1:21:50

recommendations on weird west comic

1:21:52

books. Any 617? My

1:21:55

question is a simple one a complicated answer.

1:21:58

Is there any way I can update the software

1:22:00

on my fossil 617? It's

1:22:02

Gen 1, and I'd like to try to get it up and

1:22:04

running. I made an attempt a few years

1:22:06

ago with no

1:22:07

joy. I was hoping 617 AAA team

1:22:09

queued work to play the eighteen

1:22:11

theme. We

1:22:13

don't have that. We can't We don't have that. I'm not that

1:22:15

prepared. Imagine. 617 or

1:22:17

some or 617 to yourselves. Oh.

1:22:21

That is that is not that is not a

1:22:23

plan coming together, Brook. I'm that's

1:22:25

not that's not it. Anyway, I

1:22:27

was hoping 617 AAA team would have some

1:22:29

suggestions. Thank you for all the apps,

1:22:31

information, and entertainment.

1:22:35

This

1:22:35

is a tough one. This is a tough one.

1:22:38

So this is so I don't know. Like, if

1:22:40

anyone else has any ideas, please let

1:22:42

us know right in. 617

1:22:44

-- Yeah. -- and and this is a little bit

1:22:47

out of my realm of experience and expertise.

1:22:49

But as I understand like, for for example,

1:22:51

if you wanted to try

1:22:53

to load, you know, where OS

1:22:55

three on your 617 smartwatch. Gen one,

1:22:57

you just can. It's for example, one where

1:23:00

OS three, I think, requires the snap 617,

1:23:02

where forty one hundred and above chipset.

1:23:05

So there's something about, you know, Wear OS

1:23:07

617 the way that it actually requires certain,

1:23:09

you know, kind of, from where different

1:23:12

levels of, like, kind of hardware support that

1:23:14

unfortunately 617 make it not

1:23:16

able to support any of the newer OSs. Again,

1:23:18

I I wish I could give you more specific

1:23:21

technical detail. This is just down hand waving

1:23:23

this, but there's, you know, there's some something

1:23:25

about kind of, like, the interaction and

1:23:27

obstructions of, like, the hardware to the software

1:23:30

that 617, not gonna drive, I think,

1:23:32

for the Fossil smartwatch Gen one. That was,

1:23:34

like, was that two thousand fifteen? June sixteen?

1:23:36

That's been a while ago. It was a while ago.

1:23:38

No. Yeah. And I I think

1:23:40

especially with something especially with smaller

1:23:42

devices, kind of compatibility and stuff gets a little

1:23:45

bit harder because it's a smaller device. I

1:23:47

I presume things are little bit harder and you

1:23:49

gotta kinda optimize, so that also tends to kind

1:23:51

of cut you off at different parts

1:23:53

of the you know, smartwatch

1:23:55

evolutionary change. So I I mean,

1:23:57

I have tons of devices like that where I just wish

1:24:00

I could keep it on longer, but I think especially with

1:24:02

things like smartwatches where 617 hardware and software

1:24:04

is a little more specialized. It's a little bit harder.

1:24:06

So but I could be totally wrong.

1:24:09

And if I am, please someone who'll

1:24:11

likely send us or

1:24:13

politely let me know in feedback

1:24:15

or offer mister Lincoln

1:24:18

some better advice. But for a

1:24:20

great question that definitely got my dev brain

1:24:22

working and for being a longtime fan

1:24:25

and a friend to all of us at the

1:24:26

show, mister 617, January

1:24:29

third. That is why you are hour. Email

1:24:34

of the week. Oh,

1:24:36

yeah. Well, thank you for 617 in

1:24:38

and reminding everybody like like

1:24:40

we it was a quiet week for emails. So make

1:24:42

sure you get your emails at a triple a at TWiT dot

1:24:44

tv. 617 bonus points if you

1:24:46

include a video or

1:24:49

a voice mail. But like Mike from California, keep

1:24:51

it short, keep it like thirty seconds or so, and

1:24:53

we'll run it though. You could be part of you all have

1:24:55

an Android community and fame by getting

1:24:57

on the show. This is your chance 1. Cool.

1:25:01

So with that, that's gonna wrap it up for this week.

1:25:04

Great time talking to Android fourteen 617

1:25:06

hardware and all that fun stuff. When?

1:25:09

Where can people find you after the show

1:25:11

ends? On the Internet? Yeah. On

1:25:13

the Internet, you can buy me on the Internet. I

1:25:16

have a website, randomly typing dot com,

1:25:18

where you can see some of the more

1:25:21

Debbie life stuff that I'm doing, talks,

1:25:23

videos of 617 talks and codes related to that talks

1:25:25

if you really wanna see my code. Sorry.

1:25:28

Ahead of time. Otherwise, you can find

1:25:30

me on social media places at queen

1:25:32

code 617. That's probably gonna be

1:25:35

me. Birds Eye mess

1:25:37

it on that 617. But

1:25:38

yeah. Leda.

1:25:41

617 find me for Android 617. 617.

1:25:43

Cool. And as we mentioned, you

1:25:46

should follow 617 Roman over on Twitter and

1:25:48

check him out. I was writing over at XDA 617.

1:25:51

To see. And for

1:25:53

me, you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram

1:25:55

at Onexo 617 check

1:25:58

out JR Raphael's 617 Intelligence newsletters

1:26:01

much great information there. We all 617 JRJ.

1:26:03

It's fantastic. And

1:26:05

huge thanks to Burke and Victor for

1:26:07

making all the show work behind the scenes.

1:26:09

Thank you, Burke. This has been a smooth 1.

1:26:11

Don't you think? Yeah,

1:26:14

actually. I

1:26:16

just jinxed us in the last minute. So,

1:26:19

yes, So 617 will be back next

1:26:21

week. I hope we'll be definitely definitely

1:26:23

be looking forward to

1:26:24

that. But in the meantime

1:26:27

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1:26:30

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1:27:02

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1:27:13

to the show. That's gonna wrap it

1:27:15

up for this week.