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and welcome welcome to all about Android. You're

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faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

1:44

And I'm Ron Richards. And

1:47

I'm

1:47

who into it now. And we are reunited,

1:49

and it feels so good. Oh,

1:51

yeah. So sorry I missed last

1:53

week. Okay. I, you know, I I hate to miss a show. But

1:56

All good. But yeah. Family was

1:58

Colin. So

1:59

Yeah. I think for both of us. Right? When?

2:01

Right? Both of us. Yeah. Both of us. Family

2:03

stuff. You know, sometimes life happens, and

2:06

it's all good. That's why there are, you

2:08

know, not just the three of

2:09

us, but we've got flow, we've got Michelle, Adam.

2:13

Now dropped in last week. I

2:15

love Adam. I love Adam. So

2:17

it was it was very funny because while we were doing

2:19

while you were doing the show, I was with my father,

2:21

and I had mentioned I was like, oh, I

2:23

had to skip doing the And he's like, oh,

2:25

you've been doing that for a while now. Right? I'm like, hey. He's

2:27

like, how long has that been going for? And I was like,

2:30

eleven years. And

2:33

he's like not as long as your other podcast.

2:35

Yeah. He's like, yes. So

2:39

yeah. It was it was kinda funny.

2:40

Yeah. Yeah. That's a

2:41

great dad thing to say. Good time. Yeah. Right.

2:44

My parents are they they've been

2:46

over years equally as clueless

2:48

as far as what I do, you know. Like,

2:51

when someone, you know, when someone asked me what

2:53

you do and I I just have a really hard

2:56

time answering that question. Like, it's

2:58

not not difficult to understand. It's just

3:00

like radio, but on the Internet. That's

3:02

not all it

3:02

is. So

3:05

It's like it's like radio on the Internet.

3:08

It's what year is it? It's two thousand five.

3:11

Maybe I I'm trying to put it in terms that,

3:13

like, they'll be like, oh, okay.

3:15

Now I know how to explain it. Next time my

3:17

friend says, what does your son do for a living? You

3:20

know? Just say, it's like talk radio

3:22

but on the Internet. That's all you need to say. With

3:24

video. If people by now

3:26

don't understand what podcasting is, I

3:28

think a lot more people know, but Anyways,

3:31

apparently not. We've

3:33

got a lot of a lot of

3:35

stories this week. Things

3:38

yeah. This this Dock filled up

3:40

quite nicely. So why

3:43

don't we get right to at Burke? I

3:45

know that you didn't have your ghost writer

3:47

working for you behind the scenes. So really curious

3:49

to hear what you come up with when I

3:51

say, it's time for the news.

3:54

Well, unlike a chatty, pig

3:56

tea, and free show, I'm not gonna fluff

3:58

the news. We're just gonna get right

4:00

to you.

4:02

Okay. Well, guess if you're here

4:04

for pre show, you know what he's talking about. Also,

4:06

if you're a club team

4:07

member, you can probably get it in your Twitter plus

4:10

A lot of fun, chat GPG talk.

4:13

Appreciate it. And bard. Google's bard. What

4:15

is it? Who knows? We'll find

4:16

out. I'm on the waitlist, you know. We'll see what it is. A

4:18

blog. Waitlist.

4:21

But we have some interesting stuff

4:23

about Android thirteen QPR2

4:26

smart security update here. There's

4:29

a lot of security updates packed

4:31

inside there, everybody. A lot of them.

4:33

I'm gonna do my best Michelle impression

4:35

here. But so the first

4:37

the first security update in there

4:40

is

4:40

called, quote unquote, acropolis ecropolis.

4:43

I can't even

4:44

say Acropolis. Yeah. I think you said acropolis.

4:46

Apocalypse. Acropolis. So

4:50

screenshots cropped using the built

4:52

in markup on Google Pixel devices

4:54

may be retroactively

4:55

uncropped and unredacted under many

4:57

circumstances.

4:58

Oh. That's not good. That's

5:01

not good. You crop something out of the screenshot using

5:03

the pixel markup utility and then you share that

5:05

image. Someone on the other end can

5:07

partially recover the cropped area. The

5:10

top twenty percent of the image is corrupted, but the

5:12

remainder of the image, including a photo of the

5:14

credit card with its number visible is fully

5:16

recovered in the example, which is

5:19

this reminds me of do you remember the old

5:22

Photoshop -- Yes.

5:25

-- save the freebie? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Because

5:27

there would always be like an embedded thumb thumbnail

5:30

preview or something like that. And if you

5:32

knew

5:32

that, you could open it up and view

5:35

that embedded image that And I believe

5:37

a certain former personality on

5:39

Tech TV got kind of revealed

5:42

in a way that they didn't wanna be. I'll let you Google

5:44

it and look for that, but I'm sure Leo remembers this.

5:46

This is talk about talking about doing the show

5:48

for a long

5:48

time. This is, like, back in, like, o four or

5:50

Yeah. long time ago. Right? Long time ago.

5:52

Yeah. But but this it reminds me very much of

5:54

that. Is that so, like, the it's when you

5:56

crop the image, it's making the

5:58

crop, but it's saving the original data,

6:00

which is so crazy. I mean, I'm

6:03

I'm no image x I don't know if

6:05

any of us are, but I just don't understand.

6:07

Like, why is that even possible? Like,

6:10

if you're cropping an image, aren't you getting

6:12

rid of the

6:12

data? Like, how is it still

6:14

there, but hiding. But

6:17

usually with, like, with image

6:19

files, a lot of times there's, like, certain,

6:21

like, bits, like, bites, like,

6:24

at start of a file that kind of tell you what kind

6:26

of file it is. And often and I

6:28

presume at the end of the

6:29

file, there are is other information that lets you know,

6:31

here's the end of the image. Yeah.

6:34

But that's still

6:35

just like a marker. It's like a a marker. Exactly.

6:37

Yeah. Right. Yep. Just like a there's a file header that tells,

6:39

like, often, oh, this is map, oh, this is a

6:41

PNG. This is the kind of encoding yada yada.

6:44

And I think it's been a while. I used

6:46

to actually do a bit of, like, image file

6:48

format creeping,

6:52

like poking around. And presumably,

6:54

there is the either so either

6:57

the the metadata that's in the file

6:59

lets a file reader know, hey,

7:01

there's like x number of bits and it's like

7:03

this large. Right? So it knows like,

7:05

regular image reader might know, hey, I need to

7:07

read in just x number of bytes. Right? And then

7:09

here's your image. But it either

7:12

and I'm not sure. This is just my the gap of my knowledge

7:14

of and here's a really great image of it from the

7:16

article. Either at the end of the file, either

7:18

there's a end of file marker or it's

7:20

literally just that the header is telling

7:22

a regular image reader just reads so many bytes

7:24

and it know and and the

7:26

the reader just knows not to go past, you know,

7:29

next number of bytes. I'm not sure which it is.

7:31

My bad. Someone's probably gonna, like, write his

7:33

email telling us exactly what it is where I can probably look

7:35

it up

7:35

later.

7:35

It's okay. It's an opportunity for email week.

7:38

Yeah. For email a week. But yeah. So basically, if

7:41

you know that there's some original data there,

7:44

you could certainly take this file and,

7:46

you know, just straight up read the

7:48

bytes and then use, you know, some kind of magic

7:50

to recreate the original part of the image.

7:53

Because all it is just instructions, just

7:55

like anything else programming. So if

7:57

you are given a recipe and someone gives you

7:59

twelve eggs and the recipe just says to use

8:01

six

8:01

eggs, there's still twelve eggs there. So if

8:04

you're, like, you know, an nefarious

8:05

cooker. It's just so big and easy and easy

8:07

and easy. Exactly. Yeah. Mhmm. My

8:10

my my my metaphor broke down, but

8:12

it's basically just that, you know, there's

8:15

TWiT because you give the reader instructions

8:17

and sometimes if you're nefarious, you could,

8:20

like, you know, go off book and read

8:22

more than you're supposed to. Yeah. I

8:24

didn't understand why this may have

8:26

been possible. I don't understand why

8:28

it's still possible. You know what

8:30

I mean? Like like if the information's

8:33

still there and all that's happening is,

8:35

hey, don't read before this TWiT.

8:37

Trust me. You know, trust

8:40

me the app to not read before this

8:42

point. I mean, obviously, that doesn't work.

8:44

It's because it's -- Yeah. -- because it can be recovered.

8:46

Like, if I, as a user, crop

8:49

out data, make that stuff that

8:51

I cropped out, not be there anymore.

8:53

It's very

8:53

nice. I learned to edit. Why what it

8:55

is? It's like it's it's it's a layer

8:58

of data there that instead

9:00

of giving you the screenshot of an actual

9:02

change -- Yeah. -- image, it's like markups

9:04

like, oh, but the image is the

9:07

image zoomed in

9:08

TWiT, like, whatever Google marks I put over,

9:10

but not flattened into an actual image

9:13

type of

9:13

thing. Right. Right. It it could be

9:15

like a memory saving optimization because

9:17

often when you're working with images.

9:20

It costs a lot of, you know, RAM. And

9:22

depending on the device you're on, you might be have, like,

9:24

special, you know, memory saving techniques, like, reusing

9:27

memory that does happen. That

9:29

could even happen, like, on a file system.

9:31

So it might be that. I think in the article,

9:33

it stated that if you like, so certain things,

9:35

like, I think has happened on Discord or

9:38

discord this happened on Discord, but not on

9:40

Twitch or not sorry. Not on TWiT. And

9:43

that might be because of the way that Twitter is handling

9:45

the images. They do maybe do some optimization

9:48

because Maybe they have Yeah. They

9:50

push out because they Yeah. Yeah. Because they're processing

9:52

it because they're uploading it to their, you know, server

9:54

and they wanna save space. So they probably might

9:57

do, like, some optimization

9:59

on upload, whereas, I don't know, maybe Discord's

10:01

just more,

10:02

like, has a different algorithm for I

10:04

don't know. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. It's interesting. You

10:06

know what it also reminds me of is

10:08

I've always had, not always, but

10:10

for many many years had location

10:13

data turned off in my camera

10:15

app because, inevitably,

10:18

I'm gonna share an image somewhere out there,

10:20

and I'm gonna forget to strip the location

10:22

data, and then that's gonna reveal some

10:24

information that I don't want to be out there.

10:26

Like, I don't trust the system. To

10:29

do this and it's kinda similar to this. Right?

10:31

Like but I didn't realize, like, I've used markup

10:33

a lot and I have crop things and then

10:36

shared them

10:36

out. I'd be curious to, you know, pull that down

10:38

and see, like, what the heck is out there,

10:40

you know? I mean, the the thing is, like like, I'm I

10:43

do use it all the like, literally all the time

10:45

because I crop out.

10:46

Like, I take screenshots and crop up the other crap

10:48

or things like that. But, like, I'm not doing

10:50

this for credit cards. Right?

10:52

You know what I

10:52

mean? Like, like, that's the thing. Like, I'm not III

10:55

I'm I'm using it, like, for jokes to send

10:57

an

10:58

hour. Like, here's on the part of the web page or

11:00

here's an image. And it's just easier

11:02

for me to screenshot it and crop

11:04

out instead of download the image to

11:06

my

11:06

say, folder and whatever.

11:08

Mhmm. So once again, this is like the it's a scary

11:10

thing to think about when I think about how I'm actually

11:12

using the tool. I don't care. You know

11:14

what I mean? Right. Yeah. Totally me too. Yeah.

11:16

I I'm definitely not using it for credit cards

11:18

or anything since Everybody's mileage may vary.

11:20

So Hold on. But so TWiT doesn't

11:22

stop there, though. It doesn't stop there. Oh,

11:24

Joe. There's a a fierce

11:26

series of Exynos modem

11:29

vulnerabilities. In fact, they're so

11:31

severe that Google recommends disabling voice

11:34

V0LT, voice over LTE, and

11:37

WiFi calling until it's fully patched.

11:39

guess so many Google news alerts

11:41

say Google tells you to turn off WiFi

11:43

calling. There are eight Yeah.

11:45

I just got a I got a message from mobile,

11:47

actually, both text message, and then I

11:49

also got an email.

11:50

Yeah. Eighteen zeros a vulnerabilities

11:53

in Samsung's X and O chips. Most

11:56

allow for remote code execution, And

11:58

what happens is the intruder can remotely compromise

12:01

the device underneath the OS at

12:03

the baseband level with no user

12:05

interaction. All that's needed is

12:07

the victim's phone number. So

12:09

Google made an exception to a standard disclosure

12:12

policy by continuing to hold back details because

12:14

two exploits are so bad releasing

12:16

the info would make it even worse. So

12:19

in the meantime, if

12:21

you have a phone with a Samsung X Sonos

12:24

chipset, disable Wi Fi calling

12:26

and disable Vo LTE, seriously. And

12:29

basically, that affects these phones, mobile

12:31

devices from Samsung, including those

12:33

in the s twenty two m thirty three,

12:35

m thirteen, m twelve, a seventy

12:37

one, a fifty three, a thirty three,

12:39

h twenty 1SA thirteen, a

12:42

twelve, and A04 series.

12:44

Also mobile devices from vivo, including

12:47

those in the s sixteen, s fifteen, S6X

12:50

seventy, x sixty, and x thirty series,

12:52

and the Pixel six and Pixel seven

12:55

series of devices from Google, and

12:57

any and any devices

12:59

that use the XNS auto T5123

13:02

chipset. So here

13:04

I am on my Pixel seven. I'm just gonna

13:06

go disable WiFi

13:08

calling. Right? Oh, yeah. Disable WiFi calling

13:10

for sure. For sure. Crazy. And, you

13:12

know, they're they're working on an update. You'll get

13:14

that eventually. But in meantime disable

13:16

WiFi calling for starters. And then,

13:18

Burke, before the show you pointed out,

13:20

there's a link on this nine to five Google

13:22

page that takes you to the

13:25

Sprint kind of site

13:28

about voice over LTE --

13:30

T Mobile. and he

13:32

found in kind of the FAQ, this

13:35

little section that talks about voice

13:37

over LTE. And it's there's

13:39

a part there where it says for devices supporting

13:41

five g, voice over LTE is automatically

13:44

enabled as it is required

13:46

for five g. And there's no way to turn

13:48

it off outside of

13:51

telling your phone with the setting,

13:53

you know you know, it's by default that

13:55

connects to five g. Set that to by

13:57

default that connects to LTE four g.

14:00

So, I mean, I'm I haven't

14:02

seen any publications writing about this,

14:04

so that was a really interesting thing

14:07

that you spotted on that site, Burke. But

14:09

I guess that leads to

14:12

the thought that, you know, disable

14:14

WiFi calling and then I guess, set

14:16

your default to four g LTE

14:19

until this update is rolled

14:20

out. I mean, if this is you know, if this says

14:22

it's automatically enabled, because it's required

14:25

for five g. That leads to

14:27

the assumption that you need to disable five

14:29

g then. Right? They took out the toggle on

14:31

off in and off. Right. Right. You can't

14:34

easily just toggle it off. You have to go

14:36

in there and say my SIEM,

14:38

you know, default is four g or 5GI

14:41

it's set to five g, but I'll change it to

14:43

4G because I don't want

14:45

anything to do with this. Sounds

14:48

bad, really bad. So

14:53

Yeah. So it's it's it's wacky.

14:55

It's crazy. So I've been good for them. I mean, now that we know about

14:57

it, we're catching TWiT, and fixed by the March

14:59

update and all this. But, like, these are,

15:01

oh, Well,

15:03

yeah. So well, that's actually now that I'm thinking

15:06

about it because I don't know that this is

15:08

fixed by the March

15:09

update. think they're saying a future update

15:11

fix this for now.

15:12

It's fixed on some phones. It's This is

15:15

not

15:15

fixed on others. Okay. Alright.

15:17

I think and I think it was like the So there's more

15:20

to become So it's like so the these

15:22

security updates are actually either thirteen

15:24

QPR two Mars

15:25

update. Yeah. No. No. You were right, Ron.

15:28

You were right. Pixel six and seven

15:30

families are protected against all four

15:33

of these vulnerabilities as

15:35

of Google's march twenty twenty three update.

15:38

So it's some of the other phones, the Samsung's,

15:40

the Vivo's, that you're probably

15:42

gonna need to wait until they, you know,

15:45

send out their their update. But it looks

15:47

like pixel six. As long as you have the March update,

15:49

you should be fine. That's my understanding.

15:53

So Okay. So we can turn those things back on

15:55

then, Burke. Well, I will I will check and

15:57

make sure that I have the March update before I took

15:59

the five g the second. I

16:00

got the phone anyway. Yeah. Well,

16:02

yeah. Well, we'll see you guys remember.

16:04

Remember when

16:04

remember

16:05

when the Pixel six came out and

16:07

we had the we had the battery drain problems

16:09

because of the five g modem and the so I

16:11

the whole time I had my Pixel six, I had five

16:13

g turned off. And then when I got the Pixel seven, I

16:15

instinctively went to turn five g off just

16:17

because I added for the Pixel

16:18

six. Mhmm. But yeah. So

16:21

I keep mine on. Yeah.

16:23

Now

16:23

I keep it on. So It's fun though.

16:26

It's fine. Okay. Well, good

16:28

to know about all that stuff.

16:29

What a crazy day. Yeah.

16:31

We start with the bad news. I should also mention

16:34

Steve Gibson talks about this pretty

16:36

deeply on today's security

16:38

now. So check that out as well. Twitter dot d b

16:40

slash s n. The he

16:42

is the best in the biz. Yeah.

16:44

He kinda knows what he does. He knows the

16:46

stuff when it comes to the security stuff.

16:49

Alright. When you got the next

16:51

one? Not a

16:51

bummer. bummer news. No. No. No.

16:53

Actually, it's it's good news. Down

16:56

the pipe. Good news in general. So

16:58

we all love us some mid range phones

17:00

here. And for our

17:03

mid range buddies, mid

17:05

range mates, mid range cohort.

17:08

Right. I couldn't think of a great m word

17:10

to go with this for liberation, but to

17:13

power our lovely friends,

17:15

Qualcomm has recently announced

17:17

their new second Den

17:19

mid range chip, the Snapdragon seven

17:22

plus Gen two built on four built

17:25

on a four nanometer process. There's

17:27

a lot of great stuff that is in

17:29

this little chip. It number one supports

17:31

up to sixteen gigabytes of RAM,

17:33

which is super notable I I think it's really interesting

17:35

that we've talked about, you know, in past about

17:37

the kind of recent crop of

17:39

handheld card gaming devices like the g cloud

17:41

and the razors engine. Those were all using previous generation

17:44

of the Snapdragon,

17:47

but they were limited because of that

17:50

to eight gigabytes. Now imagine whatever

17:52

the whatever the evolution of, you know, these

17:54

cloud gaming handhelds having the Snapdragon

17:57

seven plus Gen two and getting a whole sixteen

17:59

gigabytes of RAM, beveled the RAM

18:01

full year money, and it reports

18:03

to have a fifteen cent fifty percent jump in

18:05

performance over last year's chip.

18:08

It's quick charge five compatible. TWiT

18:11

can support two hundred megapixel photo

18:13

capture with a new built in processor

18:16

and including some affordable phones have

18:18

you know, space zoom, you know,

18:20

Dolby you can support Dolby Vision up

18:22

to a hundred and twenty hertz displays, up

18:24

to forty percent better AI processing. So

18:28

nothing but, you know, good things to mid range

18:30

phones. I guess, it's not really a downside,

18:32

but we won't be seeing

18:34

some of these you know, Midrange

18:37

buddies of ours getting the seven

18:39

plus Gen two yet,

18:41

but it will be coming to Redmi

18:43

and realmi phones this

18:45

month. So we will have to

18:47

see if the new crop of

18:50

Midrange that we can get all hands on. Are gonna

18:52

have this very nice Snapdragon seven

18:54

plus Gen two. But think to go along with

18:56

all this Snapdragon eight Gen two and Snapdragon

18:59

eight plus Jan one, you know, fun news and

19:01

exciting news that we've had. Now the mid

19:03

range folks get a little bit of something something

19:05

in

19:05

there. I guess it's little early for Christmas stockings,

19:07

but, you know, under their don't know, in

19:09

their phones. They

19:10

I mean, mid range devices, mid range

19:12

musketeers. There we go.

19:14

I like that. There we go. That's yeah. That's

19:16

what we have that I can get up with. Yeah.

19:19

I mean, this is the title. Perfect.

19:22

Musketeers. Yes. These

19:25

are some pretty awesome features for a Midrange

19:27

device. Right? Like, suddenly, two hundred megapixel

19:30

phone capture, hundred twenty hertz display,

19:33

quick charge fifty percent in five

19:35

minutes. I mean, these are the things that

19:37

often we hold on that pedestal

19:39

for preemie the the premium pedestal

19:43

from another one right there. Million

19:46

pesos. Rage musketeers on the premium

19:48

pesos. How

19:51

much can we have literate in this episode? But,

19:54

anyways, so this just you know, it makes

19:56

it more and more the mid

19:58

range musketeers more and more

20:01

appealing and you don't

20:03

need the premium devices. Got it. Once

20:05

you start alliterating, it's kinda hard to

20:07

stop. Protective. It's so much

20:09

fun. It just happens. Having

20:12

about Android. There we go. Yes.

20:14

It's there in the title. It's right

20:17

there. It's right there with the do it as well.

20:20

We're all about literation at all about handhelds.

20:22

Yes. Indeed. When we're

20:24

not trying once we start trying, then it gets a

20:26

little weird. Okay. So there

20:29

you go. We've got more hardware

20:32

news coming up next, so we will get to

20:34

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Alright. And with that, it's time for

24:21

some hardware news. Let's

24:23

do it. Yeah. No.

24:33

Well well, well. Look what

24:35

we have here. Opo announced its

24:37

latest flagship, the

24:39

Opo find x six and

24:41

x six pro, or as my

24:43

AutoCorrect wanted to name it.

24:46

The opportunity find x

24:48

six. Apparently, it doesn't like

24:50

when I touched Opo, and it it turns in an

24:52

opportunity. TWiT Opo or

24:54

Opo? I don't do we know? Do we know?

24:57

Is it

24:57

Opo? Is that okay? Opo.

25:00

Can we can you ever really know?

25:02

We need to we need to ask Bard to

25:05

see what Yeah. Can

25:06

you really know if it's Oppo? Is it Oppo?

25:08

Oppo? Or is it short for opportunity?

25:11

See, the computers just wanna tell

25:13

us what these words mean all over the place.

25:15

Are we listening? No. The

25:19

The Oppo find x six Pro

25:22

is powered by the Snapdragon eight

25:24

Gen two. It's got eight gigs

25:26

of RAM, UFS four point o storage,

25:29

You know, it's got a large six point eight

25:31

two inch fourteen forty p display.

25:34

And apparently, incredibly bright,

25:36

twenty five hundred peak knits. That's

25:39

incredibly bright. The s twenty

25:41

three just as a comparison tops out

25:43

at one thousand seven hundred fifty

25:45

nits. This is two thousand five hundred.

25:48

So, you know, even brighter if

25:50

you're outdoors and that does matter.

25:53

As you can see in that that shot that you just

25:55

showed there, Burke, a large camera

25:58

circle cylinder thing on

26:00

the back. It's so large. It's so

26:03

large. It's like a cyclically large.

26:05

Yeah. With a large one inch

26:07

camera sensor as the main, that's

26:11

a fifty megapixel Sony IMX9

26:13

eighty nine, which happens to be the same sensor

26:16

in Sony's DSCRX1

26:19

hundred, which is a handheld camera that

26:21

retails for about a grand. So

26:24

they're putting some really great camera

26:26

hardware in there. Of course, it does

26:28

two other lenses and ultra wide and the three x

26:30

optical zoom. Altogether, I

26:32

think they give you like six x kind of

26:34

a I don't know what they call like a unified

26:37

optical zoom or something like that,

26:39

but you get a hundred twenty x digital

26:42

zoom. So, you know, Samsung

26:44

would call that space zoom if this was on

26:46

one of their devices. I don't know what Oppo

26:49

or Oppo calls it. And

26:51

an IRAP blaster, which tells you this phone

26:53

is not sold in the US. No

26:56

pricing yet. No details on

26:58

a global release. But there we

27:00

go. Appo's flagship device

27:02

with very very large camera

27:05

sensor on the back. And I I think this,

27:07

like, circular camera

27:09

bump, although it's not a bump, it's more like

27:11

a mountain getting more and more

27:13

familiar. We're seeing more and more of these,

27:15

like, ginormous round

27:18

camera circles on

27:20

the back. I'm

27:23

waiting for that one inch sensor that one inch Sony

27:25

sensor, I'm waiting for a

27:27

phone can get

27:28

here.

27:28

Yeah. Or

27:29

if you're gonna make me go to Asia on vacation,

27:31

fine. I'll go go go.

27:32

Alright. I'll go vacation. Oh,

27:34

I'll go vacation in Asia and get a phone, but I I would

27:36

love to see that.

27:38

Yeah. It TWiT it's it's so fascinating, like,

27:41

are where this might take? Like and

27:43

this is kinda getting in little bit more into maybe,

27:45

like, mister ant territory of, like,

27:48

where the point and shoot cameras live now,

27:50

and it was kind of like this kind of really

27:52

upping the game with cameras. I just want one. I

27:54

just want one. I'm sorry. I just really want one.

27:56

I'm excited. Be more

27:58

stuff. I actually get my hands on one, but Yeah.

28:00

-- I don't know. I enjoy it. I think it's funny.

28:03

Yeah. I'm sure it takes fantastic

28:06

I'll be curious to see what people who

28:08

are able to get that device

28:10

in their hands, what they're able to do with it. But

28:13

Yeah. I'm I'm trying to think if I've ever

28:16

really had an Apple

28:18

phone for review, and I don't

28:20

think that I ever have. I'm sure Matteo

28:23

has brought one in from time to time.

28:25

Mateo Donnie, who by the way,

28:28

has not been on in a while. He's gonna be

28:30

on the episode in a couple I'm gonna

28:32

be gone, unfortunately, but he's gonna be sitting

28:34

here in the studio. He's gonna be in

28:36

the area on fourth of

28:37

April. So you will see Matteo. They're tramp I'm

28:40

excited. In. I'm Matteo Donnie while while

28:42

I'm

28:42

I saw I saw him ranting about something on Facebook,

28:44

and I was, like, where's Matteo Ben? Yeah. He's

28:46

easy to get a mic on the show. Yes.

28:49

I'm super bummed. I'm gonna be out

28:51

of town. This is you know, I leave

28:53

tonight actually after the show. I head we

28:55

head to the to San Jose

28:58

and then wake up early tomorrow morning

29:00

and and board the

29:00

plane. So I won't be here for

29:02

the next two weeks.

29:03

Not San Jose, California? Well,

29:05

no. We go down to San Jose, California. And

29:08

then we fly into San Jose, Costa Rica.

29:10

Gotcha. But

29:12

That's not confusing. Yeah. Well,

29:14

you know, I guess, on one hand, it kinda keeps

29:16

it easy. It's I just think of it two

29:18

times. I'm

29:19

going to San Jose. You are in San Jose. Yes. I don't

29:21

know if you understand Jose. Yeah. Two

29:23

San Jose's in one day. He's gonna

29:25

be kinda interesting. Anyways,

29:28

Matayo will be here in a couple weeks. I just won't

29:30

be sitting here with him. And I am bummed about that,

29:32

but that just means we'll have to have him back

29:34

again

29:37

when I back. So There was I feel like there were

29:39

a couple of years where he was on, like, four or five times

29:41

a year. Oh, yeah. Very

29:43

very

29:43

regular. Yes.

29:45

Yes, indeed. Oh, the crocodile. Our crocodile

29:48

yes. Our the there it was painted in

29:50

crocodile. Those days.

29:53

Alright. When while you were out last

29:55

week, we we had

29:58

a full hardware block dedicated

30:00

to Pixel News, three

30:03

three fifths of which were rumors.

30:06

So this is kind of like the extension

30:08

of that Europe

30:09

next. Oh, I like it. like I like these

30:11

leaky peakies, especially this first one.

30:14

So if y'all were curious about

30:17

what Pixel seven a might look

30:19

like, you can

30:21

get a Gander at it from a

30:23

now archived unsurprisingly eBay

30:26

listing for a pixel seven

30:28

a prototype. And

30:30

it it, of course, got up to ridiculous amount of

30:32

bids of, upwards of twenty six hundred dollars.

30:35

And, of course, that listing no longer

30:37

exists. But, you know, take a look at some

30:39

of the pictures that were provided in that archiving

30:41

to get a little idea of what the Pixel

30:43

seven a might look like.

30:46

I mean, nothing too surprising. Looking

30:49

through the photos -- Yes. -- it looks very much

30:51

like, you know, the the standard pickle

30:53

seven with the familiar

30:56

dual camera camera bar in a

30:58

matte finish, you know, just like the

31:00

Pixel seven and,

31:02

you know, a a more flat screen

31:05

front as opposed to, like, the curved one that

31:07

the premium super flat ships are

31:09

still rocking even in the same age.

31:11

And there is a a

31:14

screenshot of the of the phone in fast

31:16

boot. Mode, which shows

31:18

that this device is rocking eight gigabytes

31:20

of RAM and a hundred and twenty eight gigabytes

31:23

of storage. So nothing too surprising. And

31:25

obviously, we're gonna probably get a better

31:27

look at this thing sooner rather than

31:29

later. But

31:29

can redact us.

31:30

Yeah. I know. Right? Can I read you guys through?

31:34

Was

31:34

this done on the the Android markup,

31:36

the Pixel markup app? Someone

31:38

click someone to download it and do some fight

31:40

magic or something or, you know,

31:43

Yeah.

31:43

But yeah.

31:44

I've TWiT through an AI and have the AI

31:46

guess what's there? What would be

31:49

here? AI. What would be here? Tell

31:51

me what the barcodes on the Pixel seven prototype

31:53

would be. Yeah.

31:56

So there you go. For the Pixel seven

31:58

a, and we're not quite done

32:00

yet because we got some leakiest

32:03

of pixel of the pixel eight, which

32:05

we're, you know, we're probably gonna hear about at Google

32:08

io, which is coming up sooner rather than later,

32:10

come up real fast. But, you know, if you're

32:12

not afraid of phone's pose, which I mean, who is

32:14

who are these days? don't really care about schools. It just

32:16

tells anything now, like, you know, three or four months

32:19

before we even acknowledge these existence

32:21

for realzys. Onleak renders show

32:24

some, you know, idea of what the

32:26

Pixel eight might look like. Again, this is like the standard

32:28

Pixel eight, not the pro.

32:30

But, you know, it it doesn't, you know,

32:32

look too different from the Pixel

32:35

seven. There are some notable things. The

32:37

camera bar is shiny

32:39

now as opposed to matte, which is, you know, what

32:41

the both the what what the standard

32:44

Pixel seven is, but, I mean, the render who knows,

32:47

it it so a significant thing is it is

32:49

slightly smaller screen at six point two versus

32:51

six point inches. The There

32:53

seem does seem to be a little bit of design

32:56

updates with the corners being

32:58

a little more rounded, but not

33:00

a lot of the same z's. Again, flat

33:03

screen on the entry level,

33:06

pixel, dual camera, whole

33:08

punch, front facing camera. And what

33:10

seems to be a metal chassis. So there you go.

33:12

If you were curious whether there's gonna be something

33:14

wild and new and crazy for the Pixel

33:17

eight this

33:17

year, Doesn't seem like Just, you know,

33:19

the usual iterative updates. Yeah. But,

33:21

I mean, the the approach of the

33:23

roundedness I mean, it's it's subtle,

33:25

but it definitely does have a different

33:28

different kind of feel to

33:29

it. looks like it looks

33:30

more iPhone

33:31

y. Like

33:32

you said,

33:33

like, it's like a lot not as tight of

33:35

a curve, you know, it's like

33:36

a Yeah.

33:37

It's low a longer

33:38

whimsical. More whimsical. Yeah.

33:41

I don't know. It's more play full curve.

33:43

Yeah.

33:45

Can a curve be playful? Yeah. Sure. No.

33:48

Yeah.

33:49

Words do we come up with to describe

33:51

the curve on this phone. I don't get that.

33:53

I I could definitely see a more iPhoneiness about. I

33:56

didn't think about that. And maybe also the fact that

33:58

it is maybe going opting for I

34:00

don't know. I I feel like it's it's TWiT matte

34:02

and shiny finishes. I know this is like very much

34:05

your mileage might

34:05

vary, but it seems

34:06

to be still that shiny feels premium. So

34:09

maybe feeling like, hey, it's like

34:12

the entry mid range g not

34:14

even mid range

34:14

g. It's the entry flagship phone, but it's still very

34:17

premium. It's like how shiny it is. Look

34:19

how much your it reminds you of other

34:21

phones -- Yeah. -- that cost much

34:23

money. I'm looking at the shiny

34:25

camera bar on on my Pixel seven

34:28

and and trying to,

34:30

like, trying to decide, like,

34:32

do I like it more or less than

34:34

the way it was last year? Like,

34:37

I kinda like, you were saying that the

34:39

shiny the shiny quality makes it seem

34:41

more

34:41

premium. And there's, like, in some

34:43

ways, I don't like it as much. Like,

34:46

Oh, I like it. I I was funny because I saw Pixel

34:48

six the other day and I was just like, ugh.

34:50

Like, I had a visceral kind of like, you know,

34:52

like and and I you know,

34:54

prefer the seven much much more

34:56

than the Pixel

34:57

six, you know, cosmetic case

34:59

approach. I mean, I mean, I I fully

35:02

realized, like, from durability standpoint,

35:04

it's probably better for this to be, you

35:06

know, a metal versus a glass

35:08

-- Mhmm. -- like, you know, latching on your kids.

35:11

What? I'm not liking the stitching on your

35:13

case.

35:13

Oh, the

35:13

side. There's a dental of you. Yeah.

35:15

Yeah.

35:16

It's it's scripted.

35:17

It's scripted.

35:18

Oh, it's not stitching. Okay then. I like it.

35:20

Well,

35:20

I mean, it's I don't know if it's meant to look

35:23

like stitching.

35:24

From the angle, it looked like it was stitching at

35:26

first. Yeah. No. It's just a little frictionless

35:28

thing. I don't don't lose

35:30

it. Yes. It's a it's a

35:32

speaking case, I believe. Yeah. I

35:34

get similarly judgmental about,

35:36

like, the finish on cars. Like, I see a

35:38

lot of example, teslas that have a matte

35:40

finish, and I don't know whether I like it.

35:42

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I'm the same. Same.

35:44

Not

35:44

cool. Yeah. But, actually, I like that

35:46

the add on the car. don't know. It

35:49

just kinda looks unfinished. It looks like

35:51

they got halfway

35:52

there, but they didn't, like, go for it, you know.

35:54

Did

35:54

you run out of the box? Did you run out of the box? Pads

35:56

or something. It's gonna be polished.

35:58

You forgot the polished step. Uh-huh. Yeah.

36:00

Well, it's if it's, you know, it's it's

36:02

an if it well, this look it looks weird on

36:05

a

36:05

Tesla. You're right. On something else

36:07

like looks

36:08

tactical tactical. Tactical.

36:10

Oh, that's an interesting descriptor.

36:13

Okay. Interesting. Okay.

36:16

Okay. And then

36:19

Oh, and then? I'm gonna steal your thunder. Yeah.

36:21

My bad. I forgot. I got all I got I was, like, really

36:23

quantificating on whether I'd, like, matter shiny finishes.

36:25

So I don't know if

36:27

you all noticed, but, you know, I love

36:30

hardware exclusive software features.

36:32

Like, the dynamic island or face umber

36:34

because, you know, software software and

36:37

why not make it exclusive to a specific

36:39

piece of hardware? Yeah. Actually,

36:41

like, that very much. But as

36:44

noted by us, I think, you know, talking about,

36:46

like, the pixel marketing campaigns,

36:48

including, like, the Super Bowl ad and we had

36:51

a really great email about just how much

36:53

pixel is kinda getting recognition even outside

36:55

of the US. It kinda makes sense

36:57

right that Google is trying to

36:59

bring attention and give a little

37:01

bit of special sauce to the Midrange

37:03

of fun, especially since it has you know, relative

37:06

to other other phones that they've Jacquard,

37:08

you know, done better, like, in terms of sales. So

37:11

if you are curious whether

37:13

something similar will be

37:15

kind of hidden away as a special goodie

37:18

for you pixel eight's prospective

37:20

buyers. It looks like you will get

37:22

video unblur. So kind of

37:24

as a counterpart to the face unblur,

37:27

you know, that is like very specific and

37:29

that was kind of like a big feature for the Pixel seven.

37:32

It seems that Pixel eight might

37:34

get a video unblur. So

37:37

not just static images, but being able to unblur

37:40

an entire video, which honestly I

37:42

think would be a killer feature as someone

37:44

with an adorable, almost two year old niece that

37:46

runs around a lot and, you know, we're kinda capturing

37:48

it. It makes a lot of sense. Right? And so this

37:50

this isn't official yet, but the good folks

37:52

over at nine to five Google did one their APK

37:54

insights around a little bit and saw something

37:57

that looks like it could that it could be hint

37:59

of video on blur. So if

38:01

you were kind of in you

38:04

know, a mood to look for a new premium

38:06

flagship for only this year, and you're gonna be

38:08

thinking of that about the pixels versus the Samsung's.

38:11

But you like you some hardware exclusive

38:13

software features. Pixel

38:15

eight might have, you know, something up their

38:17

sleeve for you, so we'll have to wait and see what it is. Or

38:19

what it feels

38:20

like. So there you go. And

38:22

then, eventually, it will it

38:25

will be made available for all because that seems

38:27

to be what Google

38:27

does. Somewhere down the line. It's like, oh, actually,

38:30

now it's coming to all Pixel devices. It

38:32

didn't

38:32

but it didn't need a tensor chip to

38:35

begin with or we figured out a way

38:37

around the denser chip thing. Now

38:39

you can all have

38:39

it. Seems to be standard

38:41

playbook. Alright. Ron, I knew

38:44

you would like this one. I know. And so in

38:46

terms of my legacy and things that will never leave

38:48

me behind, but Berc, don't prep that.

38:53

I do need you to prep the other audio

38:55

queue for when we say goodbye

38:57

to somebody. Okay. Because Google's

39:01

last enterprise edition to is

39:04

pretty much good as dead. Oh.

39:07

Oh. Google says,

39:09

there it is. So

39:13

poor a little out for Google Glass.

39:16

Google says is no longer selling Google

39:18

glass enterprise edition too. Support

39:20

will end on September fifteenth. The

39:22

device should still work beyond that date,

39:24

but software updates will end. In

39:27

case you weren't aware, Google Glass a press

39:29

edition two was announced in twenty nineteen, sold

39:32

for nine hundred ninety nine dollars. If

39:34

you go to Google dot com slash glass, it

39:36

just says, Thank you for over a decade of

39:38

innovation and

39:39

partnership. Holy cow.

39:41

One last time. Holy cow.

39:44

Wow. Holy cow.

39:47

I

39:47

mean, nope. Does this mean

39:49

I can no longer wear my Google

39:51

glass?

39:53

Oh, oh, wow. You

39:56

can't.

39:57

I can. You know, I can't

39:59

I mean, you can't as a prop. Is

40:01

why is why I still keep this in the

40:03

office. It comes up from time to

40:05

time. It's it's a nice problem. Wait. No.

40:07

You keep it in the office because it's super useful

40:09

and, like, not free. All the time. This

40:11

is the enterprise. Here is the enterprise

40:13

for me, and I'm using it in the enterprise.

40:17

Yeah. I thought that it had some juice

40:19

because, you know, I like to keep it charged for

40:22

those last minute, oh, no. I need

40:24

a Google last really quickly. But

40:26

apparently it's not charged. Well,

40:30

okay. Goodbye. See

40:33

you later. Bye. Okay.

40:38

Although we're probably gonna have another time where

40:40

we say goodbye to again because support

40:43

ends on September

40:44

fifteenth. So Yeah.

40:45

Exactly. Yeah. It's not preliminary. Yeah.

40:47

This is this is planned, like like,

40:49

listen, it's coming. The wake is

40:51

gonna happen in September -- Prepare. --

40:53

prepare yourself. Emotionally

40:56

prepare yourself for a Google app going

40:58

away. I do feel bad for the enterprise IT

41:00

guy who was, like, prepping the purchase order

41:02

to buy a bunch and then went to the

41:04

website, was, like, whoa. Finally won?

41:06

Mhmm. Yeah. Finally won the c

41:08

suite over. So I totally finally

41:10

sold it. You're fine. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You're

41:13

fine for your fleet. Okay. I'm gonna

41:15

oh. They

41:17

stopped support. Dang

41:19

it. Well, so sad. Don't worry. You bet

41:21

I will on on eBay. We

41:23

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Big data. Oh. And with

43:08

that Yeah. Let's let's let's

43:10

Mozy on to the exile. Yes.

43:12

Indeed.

43:15

Cruise the app's aisle, see if there's

43:17

anything in store for us this week.

43:20

What's on the specials? Yeah. Yeah.

43:22

Blue light special l nine AI

43:25

coming to Google Workspace. So you

43:31

know, AI is is

43:33

finding its way into everything. We talked about Bard

43:36

a little bit earlier. Chat GPT just seems

43:38

like a, you know, a thread that's not going

43:40

anywhere anytime soon. So how

43:42

is it working its way into the products

43:44

that we use, the apps that we use in

43:46

useful ways? And Google

43:48

announced that Workspace is getting a

43:50

bunch of AI features, specifically a

43:53

slew of generative AI features

43:56

for many of the core products. So things

43:58

like drafting, replying, summarizing,

44:01

and prioritizing your Gmail,

44:03

which they kind of already do some

44:06

of those things from, like, a

44:08

a basic perspective, but some of the stuff

44:10

is really interesting. Like like,

44:13

replying. I think I saw an example where

44:15

you, you know, you're sending an email to someone

44:17

because you want them to cover something because

44:19

someone else is out. And so

44:22

you know, instead of writing the email

44:24

to the person, hey, could I get you to

44:26

pick this thing up, blah blah blah, it's like

44:29

you you ask the AI and you say,

44:31

I need you to write an email to this person

44:33

to let them know that that

44:36

someone else can't, you know, cover this and

44:38

can you do it. And what the AI

44:40

is able to do, from my understanding anyways,

44:43

from this little demo that it showed, is

44:45

it has the information from

44:47

the other emails that you have to

44:49

understand who the person was that

44:52

was scheduled to be there, why

44:54

they can't do it. TWiT

44:56

basically pulls in all this information in

44:58

the response and gives this

45:01

purely contextual reply

45:03

or email to this person instead

45:06

of, you know, it's just so interesting

45:08

how this is all planning out. Also

45:10

a little little bit like, really,

45:13

whoa, whoa, slow down. You don't need to go

45:15

into all my other email to, like, to figure

45:17

this out, but it really just depends, I think,

45:19

on your comfort level. Like, are you

45:21

comfortable giving over, you

45:23

know, handing the keys to this

45:26

system to have this knowledge in

45:28

in, you know, in exchange It's

45:31

really useful because it writes, you know, it's it's

45:33

able to do this work for you. So I think

45:36

that's the question. It's people on dance. It's

45:38

crazy. It's crazy. Mhmm.

45:40

Yeah. Brainstorming, proofreading,

45:43

writing, rewriting in docs, bringing,

45:46

they say, your creative vision to life

45:48

with auto generated images, video,

45:51

audio, and slides. Like, you can

45:54

point a, you know,

45:57

a PDF or, you know, a

45:59

bunch of work that you're doing and say, I want

46:01

you to create a slide deck around this. And

46:03

it's not that it just, like, pulls out things

46:05

wholesale and just goes Alright. Here's page

46:08

three, but in a slide, like,

46:10

it draws these correlations and

46:12

it is really weird how it works, like,

46:14

the way that we're that we create these docs.

46:16

If this is where we're starting right now,

46:19

in five years, you know, a

46:21

lot of the drudge work that people have been doing

46:23

in the office is gonna be a lot easier

46:25

I'm imagining based on what what

46:27

Google was showing off here. They

46:30

say go from raw data to insights

46:32

and analysis via auto

46:34

completion, formula generation, contextual

46:38

categorization in sheets.

46:40

So so you might tell sheets you

46:43

know, not I'm you

46:45

might not know how to create a formula, but

46:47

you might know how to explain what you

46:49

need. And you explain what you

46:51

need and it creates the formula. Like,

46:54

that's super powerful. How many times am I in sheets?

46:56

And I'm like, I just wanted to do this thing.

46:58

But I have no idea where to begin. So I start doing

47:00

my searches, my Google searches, and,

47:02

you know, find some stack overflow for

47:04

them, you know, thing and

47:05

try it on. Try to do the follow-up. I've

47:09

been there. You

47:11

know, instead, just be like, I just I just

47:13

want this number to appear there based on

47:15

some of this other information and it creates

47:17

the formula for you. Awesome. Generating

47:20

new backgrounds and and capture notes

47:22

in meet, enabling workflows for

47:24

getting things done in chat, whatever that means.

47:27

So AI coming into the

47:29

Google Workspace environment to

47:32

make things a little easier, says Google

47:34

curious to play around with it. I'm sure we're gonna get access

47:37

to it in the tools that we're already using

47:39

relatively soon. But pretty

47:41

neat stuff. Yeah. Would you agree?

47:44

Yeah.

47:45

Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

47:46

Sure.

47:48

So we'll see. Don't forget the I'm

47:50

feeling lucky button. What

47:52

does that what does that do?

47:55

Do we even still have that? Is that on? Oh,

47:57

I didn't I didn't even catch that.

47:58

Yeah. It's it's in there. I

48:00

I don't. I mean, That's a good question. What

48:02

does it do? but

48:05

you dare hope it's not it's there, like, in the

48:07

in the Bakken.

48:09

So let's

48:09

hear my just gonna give you an option here in a second.

48:11

To what? Okay. So

48:14

this has to do with docs

48:16

in Gmail. Writing things.

48:18

You jotted down a few bullets on your phone from

48:20

recent meeting. You wanna transform them into

48:22

a more polished summary to share with your team.

48:25

For these scenarios and many more we're adding new

48:27

generative AI capabilities to help you rewrite.

48:29

And if you're in the mood to let

48:32

AI try out a new playful voice altogether,

48:34

you'll be able to hit

48:35

see. I'm filling a lucky button in

48:38

Gmail. So it's like, okay,

48:40

let's see what you come

48:41

up with. Boom. You have cancer.

48:43

Oh,

48:44

don't okay. No.

48:46

No. No.

48:47

No. Move Google. Yeah. Not

48:49

true. Not true. Yeah. Not true. Callback

48:53

the pre show. We're Yes. Anyways,

48:56

interesting stuff. I'd love to I mean, this

48:59

this stuff is incredibly

49:01

useful as long as it works. But

49:03

I think we're kind of heading into this into

49:06

the territory of it not being perfect,

49:08

as we talked about in pre show, none

49:11

of this stuff is perfect, but it's a lot

49:13

more useful now than it used to be. It's

49:15

a lot better at doing this stuff now

49:17

than it ever used to be. And that's what

49:19

I think people are getting really excited about. It's within

49:22

the realm, you know, again,

49:24

not perfect, but it's within the realm of usability

49:26

to where it's like, okay. Actually, I

49:28

could use eighty percent of what this just gave

49:31

me, and that would be incredibly

49:33

helpful, which

49:34

is, like, the starting

49:35

Sorry. Do you win? Yeah.

49:36

No. Go no. Go ahead. You you were you were I was gonna say,

49:38

this is just the start this is just the starting point of,

49:40

like, the of the of the wave, you know. So

49:43

when that deal?

49:44

Oh, yeah. And I I think, like, I I know, like,

49:46

part of it is, like, oh, yeah. So now my whole job

49:48

can be done by chat GPT. And I think, like,

49:50

a lot of other without

49:53

getting into the very tricky subject of automation kind

49:55

of in a broad sense that, you know, when you're

49:57

at a new company and maybe you're just out

49:59

of college and you don't know how to write like,

50:01

business y things or you don't kind of you

50:04

don't have like, a lot of times, you you know, even as

50:06

an engineer, I get asked to write reports or, like,

50:08

estimates or, like, summarize things or to kinda,

50:10

like, you know, learn how to communicate other

50:12

teams. And, you know, especially

50:14

in, like, in some companies, they

50:17

don't teach you how to do that. You don't

50:19

you know, you're kind of just, like, trying to figure out how to do

50:21

it on your own. Imagine having a really good starting

50:23

point to be, like, okay, here's how, like, generally,

50:25

here's a good way of starting to she could communicate

50:27

these kind of things. And here are, like, kind of

50:29

patterns in how, like, people like to, like, you know, generate

50:32

these kind of reports or generate these kind of presentations.

50:34

And like it's doing everything for you, but it's kinda

50:36

giving you a starting off point. So it kinda does

50:38

like the drudge work. And then there's still an element of

50:40

creativity. There's still an element of context

50:42

that you need to bring to every every single thing.

50:44

It reminds me a lot of, like, the updates and even

50:46

in, like, programming development that I've experienced.

50:49

It's, like, nothing's ever going well, that's

50:51

not true. It hasn't replaced me yet.

50:53

It's just made me able to do the

50:56

core of my job faster and better.

50:58

And so I I love it, especially as someone who's

51:00

worked a lot of big corporate jobs. I would have

51:02

loved as a new graduate to have

51:04

someone help me write things because

51:06

I don't know. I'm not gonna get fired because

51:08

I didn't you know, use the right template

51:11

on this letter or this email. I don't know.

51:13

So I don't know. I I just have a lot of, like,

51:16

sympathy for just the the day to day

51:18

quality of life improvements that this kind

51:20

of

51:20

suffering. Anyway -- Yeah. --

51:21

very very sympathetic

51:23

to it. Totally

51:24

agree. So speaking of quality

51:26

of life, and

51:28

kinda making things better for people. Occasionally,

51:31

I see things. And now if you're doing the show

51:33

for a bit, sometimes I see, like, an Android related

51:35

story, an Android related thing. I don't like,

51:37

I don't see the thing anymore. I see

51:40

one of my lovely cohost faces. So as an

51:42

example, I saw an ad for a

51:44

z fold flip Pokemon

51:46

case. And I and and and all and

51:48

instead of, like, kind of my brain processing it as,

51:50

like, this is a z fold flip with a poke with

51:52

Pokemon on it, I just thought Florence Ion.

51:55

And so when I saw this next story,

51:57

my brain flashed. Ron.

51:59

This is Ron. Right. Ron. And TWiT

52:02

story is that is that PocketCasts

52:04

is actively developing a Wear

52:06

OS app. And so instantly,

52:08

I was just like, run. That's, like, August, think of as,

52:10

like, oh my god. I I bet Ron's gonna have opinions

52:13

about this. So open sourced their

52:15

mobile clients last year. And so if

52:17

you you go to the GitHub and you poke

52:19

around, you can see that they have

52:21

inactive development a

52:23

issue, which is basically just a project or

52:25

kind of feature of you know, a piece

52:27

of work that has, you know, kind of been submitted

52:29

for development. And it is titled

52:31

initial release of Wear OS

52:33

Watch app. So there are actively they are

52:36

actively working on And the focus

52:38

will be basically to create

52:40

a Wear OS app that has feature parity

52:42

with iOS, and that is

52:45

going to focus on the ability to work for

52:47

this for this Wear OS app to work independently of

52:49

the phone. So including a now playing screen,

52:51

browsing and downloads. So,

52:54

yeah, If you were person that likes

52:56

your pod PocketCasts, so

52:58

listen to PocketCasts. And you

53:00

wanna just take your phone whether it's on a run

53:03

or you know, just out and you don't wanna be,

53:05

you know, like, tied to your phone, to listen to your and

53:08

using In

53:10

some time in the near future, you're gonna have

53:12

that because they're working on it. So yeah.

53:14

Nice. Too little behind how he's

53:16

gonna say,

53:17

but when he signed up, it's so nice to

53:19

go. Oh, I'm sorry. Like, that's

53:21

that's the whole thing I saw this come through. And

53:23

I was like, well, cool. Where were you when the

53:25

watch came out? Where where was this announcement

53:27

when the watch came out? Why why

53:30

talk about the fact that it's actively being developed

53:32

as a I don't know. I just don't get me started.

53:34

mean, it's it's fine. It's not gonna go play.

53:36

Fairly fair. Rather doing it and they'll get

53:39

there. It is a

53:39

key. It was so painful to listen

53:41

to a podcast on the via

53:44

that watch. So hopefully, they can they can

53:46

crack that nut somehow. When you had

53:48

the watch for the short amount of time that you did

53:50

-- Yeah. -- if if

53:53

this team had announced, alright,

53:55

we're developing It's it's coming

53:57

sometime in the coming

53:58

months. What do you have held onto the watch?

54:01

I would

54:02

have thought about it more. I would have considered it more.

54:04

More than considered it.

54:05

I would heavily

54:06

consider it. Yeah. So

54:08

maybe I'll revisit. Who knows? We'll see. We'll see when

54:10

it comes out. So Yeah. Yep. Yep.

54:14

It's desperately needed, though. So that's good

54:16

news.

54:17

Now what about this, Ron? I saw you had that

54:19

you had some feelings about this in the Slack.

54:22

Wow.

54:22

Yes. And I didn't have that many. I didn't I just

54:24

shared it. I didn't have that many people. No. You

54:27

never. I knew what you meant by sharing

54:29

it though. No. You're not allowed to share it. But

54:31

I just assumed you shared it because

54:33

you felt something about

54:34

it. Well, yeah. So I

54:36

I got an email. I don't know if you all got an

54:38

email. If you were a paying or YouTube

54:41

TV, you probably got the email saying that YouTube

54:43

TV YouTube TV is in fact getting more

54:45

expensive. Mhmm. They

54:47

did I will give them I wanna pull up

54:49

the email itself because I

54:51

did feel like it was dripping

54:53

in a

54:53

little, like, get

54:56

off our back.

54:59

They basically, they said, hi, Ron.

55:02

We have an important update for our members. After

55:04

nearly three years, we're adjusting our monthly

55:06

price from sixty four ninety nine a month to seventy

55:09

two ninety nine a month. As content costs

55:11

have risen and we continue to invest in the quality

55:13

of our service, or update our price to keep bringing

55:15

you the best possible service. So

55:18

they made they're making a point of saying after

55:20

nearly three years, we're

55:22

raising our prices, you know. So

55:25

the base membership plan will change in

55:27

your first billing cycle on or after April

55:29

eighteenth. And then you'll be charged

55:31

that going for going further. They

55:34

said if you're currently on a base plan pro

55:36

promotional price or a trial, that promotion

55:39

still will be honored and unchanged, but

55:41

they also included that

55:44

they are lowering the price of the four

55:46

k plus add on Previously, if you

55:48

wanted four k, it was an additional nineteen

55:50

ninety nine a month. So if you were if

55:52

you had YouTube YouTube TV and get my calculator

55:55

around, If you do t YouTube TV

55:57

and four k plus you were paying

56:00

nineteen ninety nine, they are lowering

56:02

the four k plus add on to nine ninety nine

56:04

a month So previously,

56:07

it was sixty four sixty five dollars

56:09

plus twenty, which gave you you're paying eighty five

56:12

dollars for YouTube TV plus plus four

56:14

k. Now you're gonna be paying

56:17

seventy two ninety nine plus nine ninety nine

56:19

eighty two eighty three dollars.

56:22

So you actually are saving two dollars

56:24

if you have four k with this new price plan

56:26

change, which is wacky.

56:29

Yeah. And finally, they

56:31

they ended saying, we hope YouTube TV

56:33

continues to be your service of choice, but we understand

56:36

some members may wanna cancel. This

56:41

might just be too much for you. We get it.

56:43

So that said, I'm keep I'm keeping it

56:45

because I've currently now got like,

56:48

my dad and my sister are all using the family

56:50

because they like, they've all cut the cord. They're all using

56:52

And I'm I'm bearing the brunt of paying

56:54

the cost, which is fine. It's still cheaper

56:56

than all the stupid add ons with cable and all that

56:58

sort of stuff. So whatever. I mean, like, I

57:00

get it. Everything's going up in price.

57:02

It it sucks, but it is here where

57:05

we

57:05

are. So Yeah. It's just interesting

57:07

in three years how it went from the cheap

57:09

alternative to cable to cable.

57:12

Cable. Yeah. Pretty much. Exactly.

57:14

But they did they did launch multi

57:16

viewing options, which, as

57:18

I also said in our chat, is gonna

57:20

give me a headache. That's the that's

57:22

the ability to watch multiple channels

57:25

at

57:25

once.

57:25

That's right. It launched on the day the March Madness

57:28

started because lots people wanna have all the different

57:30

basketball games on same time and that just

57:32

gives me

57:32

anxiety. Do

57:33

you wanna recreate their own sports bar?

57:35

Yeah. That one. TWiT still I I still

57:37

think it's a great product I think, you know, it

57:39

records stuff, it proactively records stuff

57:41

that I'm interested in. Like, III do not

57:43

I not I feel like that is money

57:46

well spent. And if you do have four

57:47

k, you're actually saving two bucks

57:49

now versus spending more. So it all

57:51

kinda washes out. Okay. I

57:53

mean, four k is the future or or is

57:55

the present or something more of the present? A

57:57

future

57:58

TWiT. was really funny because I saw

58:00

this email come in and I knew what it was

58:02

about. I look at my email box later and I

58:04

can see

58:06

hey, your husband is canceled. No.

58:08

Like, he didn't even talk to me about it. just saw

58:10

he was

58:11

like, your YouTube plan has been canceled. We

58:14

talked we talked about this previously that

58:16

he was kind of on the fence anyway about

58:18

it because I think outside of, you

58:20

know, American football season, we're

58:22

like, on it, you know, because we don't

58:24

really watch a lot of network television anyway.

58:26

But I thought it was funny. Like, no discussion, just

58:30

YouTube pricing update Your plan has

58:32

been

58:32

canceled. Oh, okay. Yeah. Cool. Yep.

58:34

Makes sense to me. Yep. Yeah.

58:37

If you'd already kinda talked about it anyways,

58:39

kinda like, okay. Well, now

58:41

is obviously the time. Alright. Yep.

58:45

And finally, you

58:47

can go ahead and and fire off the taps

58:50

one more time. This is so sad.

58:52

It's so such a bummer. Seriously. Your

58:55

smart fabric? Will soon be

58:58

discontinued project Remember

59:01

that? That's right.

59:03

First announced at Google io in twenty

59:05

fifteen. By Google's

59:07

aTAP division. I remember that year

59:09

very, very fondly. That

59:12

was a very exciting aTAP thing

59:15

where they just they showed off so much. You know, they

59:17

solely for the first time, Jacquard.

59:20

It was, you know, a lot of energy. It was

59:22

really exciting. Anyways, project

59:24

Jacquard was announced twenty fifteen. It's gonna

59:26

soon be shut down. Now this is

59:28

according to code found in the Jaccard

59:31

app. And

59:33

the code is designed to check Google

59:35

servers to see if

59:38

it's still supported. And if

59:40

not, it would communicate that

59:42

with the users. So it would say the Descartes app is

59:44

unable to unable to start because your

59:46

Internet connection may be down, or The

59:49

Jacquard app is no longer available

59:51

slash supported. There were also

59:53

a number of references to EOL end

59:55

of life. So Granted,

59:58

this is not Google saying, and we are

1:00:00

shutting down project Jacquard. This

1:00:02

is just the app has been built with

1:00:05

a bunch of different references to end

1:00:07

of life. And a warning

1:00:09

signals to users if in

1:00:11

fact the app was ended, nine

1:00:14

to five Google has positive as

1:00:16

a result of that. That life

1:00:18

is

1:00:19

probably, you know, coming

1:00:21

to a close at some point in the near future.

1:00:23

What's what's interesting is that if you track this,

1:00:26

Right? Like, it just never got

1:00:28

any momentum. Right? So,

1:00:30

like, like, it came out in twenty it came out in

1:00:32

twenty twenty nineteen. Right? That's what we when

1:00:34

when they announced it and shared it and all that sort

1:00:36

of stuff. Then in October

1:00:38

twenty one, they

1:00:40

released the SDK for developers

1:00:42

to develop to develop apps and stuff like

1:00:44

that. And have you heard anybody do anything

1:00:47

with it since then?

1:00:48

No. No. Yeah. Now mind

1:00:50

you, came out in twenty nineteen,

1:00:53

twenty twenty, the world got weird.

1:00:55

Yep. Yeah. You know, it's fair. Everything

1:00:57

pre COVID, like, you

1:00:59

know, that that whole two years of

1:01:01

of strangeness that we admittedly,

1:01:04

we are still in Wait. But What

1:01:06

did

1:01:06

it do to begin with? What did

1:01:08

what did your card do? Yeah. What did this

1:01:11

smart

1:01:11

jacket do? Well, it was in

1:01:13

a yeah. So it was fabric that

1:01:16

was essentially conductive to

1:01:18

the point to where I could go like

1:01:20

this on my sleeve and skip tracks

1:01:22

on my CD or I could go like this and I

1:01:25

would hear the time and the earbuds that I'm

1:01:27

wearing or

1:01:27

And can you can you do can you do it again, Jason?

1:01:31

And you and you could do it look very silly

1:01:33

while you're doing it.

1:01:35

Oh, that didn't work. So it was a but Oh,

1:01:37

TWiT Dang

1:01:38

it. It's not working. He had to switch it. Did he

1:01:40

be

1:01:40

out in the middle of the street going

1:01:42

right? You know, because it's not

1:01:44

working. Yeah.

1:01:46

So mean, I don't know how useful that

1:01:48

was. You know, it's Google flexing its

1:01:51

what if muscle.

1:01:53

That that was actually my first I O was at

1:01:55

two thousand fifteen. And so I I've

1:01:57

always held a special place to

1:01:59

-- Yeah. -- and

1:01:59

and project Is

1:02:00

it a good one? Because I did one. Yeah. Because

1:02:03

it's like, oh, I mean, And I think

1:02:05

even then I thought, okay, this might not be,

1:02:07

you know, a a fully fledged

1:02:10

ubiquitous commercial success.

1:02:13

But I think, especially things like

1:02:15

atap, was the idea that, hey, we're Google.

1:02:17

We're innovating. We might just

1:02:19

try a bunch of stuff and see what

1:02:21

happens out of it. And I I think I always tell that in

1:02:23

my mind. I was like, okay. They're they're trying things.

1:02:25

They're innovating. And and, yeah, the

1:02:27

world kinda got into a state where, you know, smart

1:02:30

e, Saint Laurent, backpacks not really a

1:02:32

number one concern on most people's minds

1:02:34

in the last two, three years.

1:02:37

So but I always felt a place in it from America

1:02:39

because I thought that was really

1:02:40

cool. I do I do remember one of the things that

1:02:42

we posited was, wow, this would be really

1:02:44

cool if this technology was

1:02:46

integrated

1:02:47

into, like, the the armrest on a couch

1:02:49

or something

1:02:50

like that. Yeah. Right. So

1:02:53

That would be really interesting, actually. But

1:02:55

what also is interesting is that I'm

1:02:57

just trying to find any news of any

1:03:00

stuff related to Jacquard. Yeah.

1:03:02

And nine to five Google also has an article

1:03:05

here. I'll share this. Here

1:03:08

we go. In

1:03:10

twenty twenty two, how

1:03:14

Google Health wants to record heart sounds

1:03:16

with phone mics and use your card tag and post

1:03:18

surgery recovery. And

1:03:20

basically basically using using

1:03:23

the jaccard -- And our little little widget

1:03:25

yeah. That was that was very dramatic. A

1:03:28

Braun exploded. But

1:03:31

but interesting how they were tying

1:03:33

Jacquard into health

1:03:37

applications, you know, like by putting

1:03:39

the the the sensor, the fabric in

1:03:41

post surgery bandages or, like, that

1:03:43

sort of stuff to help with it. Right? But this

1:03:45

is the only thing since

1:03:48

twenty twenty that I've seen like, in

1:03:50

twenty twenty, there was a Jacquard and

1:03:52

Samsonite, like, luggage integration that

1:03:55

they announced the twenty twenty, I think, right before the pandemic.

1:03:57

But, like, there's nothing else about

1:04:00

your card

1:04:00

anywhere. Recall

1:04:03

also and thank you to

1:04:06

Victor for sharing. For

1:04:08

reminding me that on October third twenty

1:04:10

seventeen, episode three hundred thirty

1:04:12

seven of all about Android. We had

1:04:14

we had captain

1:04:19

captain Andrew sorry. Michael Fisher

1:04:21

on Michael Fisher. Yeah. To

1:04:23

because he was wearing the carte

1:04:26

Jacquard. The title was captain Desjardins

1:04:28

for that episode. Yep. But he was wearing

1:04:31

Desjardins.

1:04:32

He had the lee he had the Levi jacket. Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:35

So anyways, yeah,

1:04:39

I mean, it really didn't didn't go

1:04:41

anywhere. It's a pretty specialized thing,

1:04:44

you know. Even even integrating

1:04:46

that into, like, a couch cushion. Like,

1:04:49

even if you did that, like, that

1:04:51

area's gonna get

1:04:51

dirty. It's getting dirty over time. So

1:04:54

it's it's kinda flawed. Yep. It's innovation, though,

1:04:56

is, like, literally in the software

1:04:58

that, like, It's

1:05:00

a thing,

1:05:00

but it make it do stuff. It's like not

1:05:02

really about the hardware. So

1:05:05

the the website does

1:05:07

have list of products. Right?

1:05:09

That that so so there's a Samsung

1:05:11

I Connect I backpack. There's

1:05:14

the g Adidas GMR

1:05:16

play connected There's

1:05:19

a Levi's trucker Jacquard.

1:05:21

Yeah. There's a backpack from Saint

1:05:23

Laurent and the the Levi's

1:05:25

commuter trucker

1:05:26

Jacquard. Like, that's about it. That's

1:05:29

about it. Right? I

1:05:32

mean, I I wonder how many

1:05:34

how many thousand of these really

1:05:36

sold? Was this the same

1:05:39

time where was it Nike or Adidas or

1:05:41

was it like, Jacquard, that was doing, like,

1:05:43

the step counters in your sneakers or

1:05:44

something.

1:05:45

This is the

1:05:46

that's the adidas thing. That's the step counter.

1:05:48

It's it's yeah.

1:05:49

Yeah.

1:05:49

This is the the Adidas

1:05:51

thing and that's Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. It it's

1:05:53

if you if you go to the Adidas product on

1:05:55

that thing, it shows you that there's an insole

1:05:57

and there's a little spot where the Jacquard tag

1:06:00

goes into the into your feet. But

1:06:04

it's meant to merge the real world

1:06:06

with Yay TWiT

1:06:07

FIFA, the

1:06:09

game. Oh my goodness. Sorry.

1:06:12

So that's what we all want. Let's

1:06:15

search. Shail someone out there wants it, I

1:06:17

guess. But I'm I'm imagining

1:06:19

not many people wanted actually wanted

1:06:21

to spend the premium on

1:06:23

a, you know -- Yeah. -- connected

1:06:25

fabric. And how much was the stick?

1:06:27

It's neat. It's cool. It's almost like a proof

1:06:29

of concept. And and the fact

1:06:31

that they were able to get, you know,

1:06:33

companies like Adidas and Levi's

1:06:36

on to create a product around

1:06:38

TWiT, neat, but that doesn't

1:06:41

necessarily prove any sort of viability.

1:06:43

That that was kind of you know, that was an experiment

1:06:45

for Google. It was also an experiment for Levi's

1:06:47

was also an experiment for Adidas. It

1:06:50

was by no means a mainstream product

1:06:52

at any point of its existence. So No.

1:06:54

I know. Yeah. But

1:06:56

who knows? Maybe in twenty years,

1:06:59

this will be all the rage, and we'll look

1:07:01

Jacquard we'll go, oh, yeah. Remember Jacquard? It kinda

1:07:03

started that before people understood it. Right.

1:07:05

We were all talking about how it had no, you know,

1:07:07

business being anything because if,

1:07:10

you

1:07:10

know, what what was the purpose and

1:07:13

look at it now.

1:07:16

Wacky. In in ten years when we're

1:07:18

when we're controlling everything with our clothes

1:07:20

like Star Trek.

1:07:21

Yes. Exactly. You

1:07:24

don't you don't double click, you just tap

1:07:26

your shoulder or

1:07:27

I tap your lapel. Yeah. You know, like,

1:07:30

every every inch of of

1:07:32

our shoulders -- It's a big batch roll. God.

1:07:36

Yes. Navigate me. Okay.

1:07:39

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1:07:42

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going through those places or sending messages

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to those places rather. And when you have

1:08:33

the first

1:08:34

one? Yes. And our first email

1:08:36

is from Tim Benson down in Chattanooga,

1:08:38

Tennessee. Tim writes a saying,

1:08:40

I left a discussion about the pixel

1:08:43

a series and lack of wireless charging.

1:08:45

My wife and I have Pixel six pros,

1:08:48

and after the march twenty twenty two,

1:08:50

yes, last year, security update,

1:08:53

both phones lost wireless

1:08:56

charging. Oh, dear. I've reached out to yeah.

1:08:58

I've reached out to Google and Google Fi

1:09:00

support All they wanna do is troubleshoot

1:09:03

the charger and only wanna talk about

1:09:05

the pixel stand. Yeah.

1:09:08

We still don't have it Jacquard it used

1:09:10

to work on four

1:09:11

stands, three pieces of furniture, and

1:09:13

two vehicles prior to that old my goodness.

1:09:16

That is a loss.

1:09:17

Yeah. This has made my wife mad enough that she's

1:09:19

ready to jump to Samsung. Love

1:09:21

the show since Gina

1:09:23

Days. Tim Benson from Chattanooga, Tennessee.

1:09:26

I understand that would be Australian.

1:09:29

That is a huge loss and Yeah.

1:09:31

Yeah. Wow.

1:09:33

Wow. I don't know what else say about that.

1:09:36

That really sucks. Because, you know,

1:09:38

I mean, you had

1:09:40

it's obvious that you had many different places

1:09:42

that you're wireless charging this device. The

1:09:45

update happens. You can no

1:09:47

longer wireless charging any of

1:09:49

those places and yet Google Support

1:09:51

still wants to troubleshoot the

1:09:53

charger or chargers rather

1:09:56

than the single point of failure,

1:09:58

which is the device that no longer charges in

1:10:00

all those different places. That's

1:10:02

really frustrating. And yet, I'm

1:10:05

really not that surprised. Sadly.

1:10:08

Yeah. Sadly, I'm not surprised. Man,

1:10:12

Yeah. That's a total bummer. Sorry

1:10:15

to hear that, Tim. But thank you for writing in.

1:10:18

Maybe your one you know,

1:10:20

upshot is that we read your feedback

1:10:22

on all that android. At least there's that. You

1:10:25

got that going for you. You got that going for you.

1:10:28

And

1:10:28

if you do jump to Samsung, do a

1:10:30

follow-up and let us know how that goes. Yeah.

1:10:34

At panzer underscore z wrote

1:10:36

in to say there's an actual security

1:10:38

advantage to not auto accepting a

1:10:40

correct PIN code for your lock screen.

1:10:42

This this calls back to a

1:10:45

discussion that we had last week that

1:10:47

involved, like, upcoming changes

1:10:49

that would possibly make

1:10:51

it so that on Android by default

1:10:53

or at least on Android phones with

1:10:55

the next version of Android. When

1:10:58

you enter in a pin on

1:11:00

on iOS, when you do that, and you do

1:11:02

the four characters, it sends it automatically

1:11:05

and it and it pops you through. On Android, you always

1:11:07

kinda have to hit the go, the go button

1:11:09

at the end of and the new change might

1:11:12

make it work more like iPhones. Continues

1:11:15

to say, it forces someone who is trying to

1:11:18

brute force break in

1:11:20

to actually know the string length of

1:11:22

the code. I entering a four digit

1:11:25

pin, but it being rejected and

1:11:27

not knowing if it is because it's the wrong

1:11:29

pin or if it's actually a six

1:11:31

digit pin. That's a really good point.

1:11:33

Not a huge security feature, but anything that

1:11:35

makes it more of hassle to guess a password

1:11:38

is the only weapon we have in digital security,

1:11:40

but the real takeaway is that it should be

1:11:42

an option to do either method so

1:11:44

the user has the choice of

1:11:47

more convenience or slightly more security.

1:11:49

I would guess that it would be a choice, but

1:11:51

maybe I'm making an assumption there or I'm definitely

1:11:54

making an assumption there. But I think in my head

1:11:56

that's kinda what I figured with something

1:11:58

like this is because it's

1:12:00

been this one way forever and

1:12:02

now suddenly it would be a change I

1:12:05

personally would be really surprised if Google

1:12:07

said, okay. Yeah. I know it's been that way forever, but

1:12:09

now it's gonna be this. But I guess they've done that in

1:12:11

other ways. So why wouldn't they Having

1:12:14

said that, when it comes to security, I think

1:12:16

you make an excellent point. If it's

1:12:19

if it automatically ends at the

1:12:21

you know, end of the number

1:12:24

of digits that the pin is

1:12:26

and automatically enters it. Then

1:12:29

someone trying to break into your phone automatically

1:12:31

knows how long your your your PIN

1:12:33

is. If it

1:12:36

doesn't do that, then, you know, you could

1:12:38

have a ten digit pin. You could have a five digit

1:12:40

pin. They don't actually know, and

1:12:42

that's gonna make it way more difficult

1:12:44

for the MAVR

1:12:45

group. Force their way in. So it's a really good point.

1:12:48

I did this to myself and my Samsung's

1:12:50

S8I have

1:12:52

a specific way of figure

1:12:55

of of calculating a PIN that, you know,

1:12:57

involves personal information. And actually,

1:12:59

on my s eight, it didn't tell me whether the PIN

1:13:01

was four numbers or six numbers. My little mental

1:13:03

algorithm got really messed up

1:13:05

and I got totally like that of my s eight because III

1:13:08

couldn't brute force my own my own

1:13:09

PIN. So -- Yeah. -- confirm This

1:13:11

is very effective.

1:13:13

Oh, no. So you got so you got locked

1:13:15

out. Did you ever recover? Were you ever able

1:13:17

to I just rebooted the whole dang thing. You

1:13:19

know, obviously, I've been using it for testing. So

1:13:21

it was okay. But III did actually,

1:13:23

that's it is really funny because that is extremely

1:13:26

viable, of course, from the mathematical, you know,

1:13:28

if you wanna do the numbers on. The

1:13:30

there's probably some incredibly easily

1:13:32

calculable, like, magnitude of difficulty

1:13:34

increase by adding this kind of factor of -- Oh,

1:13:37

yeah. -- variances. So yes,

1:13:39

great point and can confirm. Makes

1:13:42

it real hard to guess my own

1:13:43

Jacquard. I'm my own PIN. So

1:13:45

I've been there though. So been there because, you know,

1:13:47

I TWiT a lot of phones and some phones like I when

1:13:49

I'm done testing them and I still have them,

1:13:51

I don't wipe them, they they just kinda end up in

1:13:53

a drawer and then, you know, maybe my kids will

1:13:56

we'll find it and then, like, oh, you know, my

1:13:58

my younger daughter really thinks that she's good at cracking

1:14:00

codes, you know, so she'll get on there. And

1:14:02

then I'll pull out the phone later and it's like, you

1:14:05

know, had x number of incorrect

1:14:07

tries, you know, and I've gotta wait, you know,

1:14:09

be I I get it right wrong the time time, and

1:14:11

it's like, you have entered the incorrect PIN,

1:14:13

like, twenty seven times. No. I didn't.

1:14:16

I know that it was probably her trying to figure it

1:14:18

out. But but when you get

1:14:20

to that point with some of these devices, then

1:14:22

the retry time is,

1:14:24

like, really long until you can retry

1:14:27

again.

1:14:27

Or at some point or something? Yeah.

1:14:29

At some point, it's, like, nope. You're

1:14:31

locked out. You can only get in if you

1:14:33

know the exact

1:14:34

password. We'll see

1:14:35

you tomorrow. Yeah. It's not gonna work.

1:14:37

So

1:14:38

It was like that. Exactly.

1:14:41

Thanks for writing in at penser underscore

1:14:44

z. And, Ron, you have

1:14:46

the honors. Yes. Well,

1:14:48

this week's email of the week. It's

1:14:53

actually more of a social post of the week.

1:14:58

Oh, yeah. Okay. That works too. Yeah. Sure.

1:15:00

Because our good pal over on Mastodon

1:15:03

at r o row

1:15:05

bully eighty eight at TWiT

1:15:08

dot social said

1:15:10

Just found my favorite on and on and on and on product

1:15:12

at twenty five dollars three device

1:15:15

mouse keyboard combo that also works great

1:15:17

on Android and Chromebooks. So

1:15:20

thank you, Robly, eighty eighty eight,

1:15:23

eighty eight for posting the

1:15:27

multi device keyboard and mouse, which looks

1:15:29

a lot like the Logitech device

1:15:32

at first glance -- Mhmm.

1:15:35

-- suspiciously. Mhmm.

1:15:36

Yeah. Possibly, like, you have a brand lover.

1:15:39

Possibly.

1:15:40

Yeah. That's a good

1:15:42

question. I wonder if Logitech and Anana are

1:15:44

in business, but twenty five dollars is not that

1:15:46

bad. Well, yeah, I mean, I did a search

1:15:49

on on the Walmart site and they have

1:15:51

it listed for thirty five dollars.

1:15:53

So maybe

1:15:55

maybe you got a deal.

1:15:56

That looks a lot like the By

1:16:00

the way, you think I have one in the inner

1:16:02

engineering room. Yeah. Oh, really? Watches

1:16:04

that one.

1:16:05

By the way, I found a I found this exact

1:16:07

device on on eBay for eight ninety nine.

1:16:10

Is it new or used?

1:16:14

New. It says -- Wow. --

1:16:17

deal deal was shipping. Shipping

1:16:20

is seventy nine dollars. No. It doesn't. TWiT

1:16:25

what's really funny though is here,

1:16:27

I'll I'll share this with Burke so you can see it. The

1:16:29

person posted photos and I feel like you get

1:16:31

more photos on this eBay listing than you did in

1:16:33

the Walmart Walmart

1:16:36

listing. But the box itself

1:16:40

For the keyboard and

1:16:42

mouse, it's the second photo

1:16:44

in the gallery there, Burke. I don't know. In the upper

1:16:46

right hand corner, it says serf

1:16:48

on and on

1:16:49

and on and on and on and on. Cervon.

1:16:52

Cervon. Cervon. Which is just like, when was the last

1:16:54

time you saw surfing as a metaphor

1:16:56

for the Internet? And this twenty twenty three

1:16:58

and on and on and on is really leaning into

1:17:01

surfing the

1:17:01

Internet. Oh,

1:17:03

it

1:17:03

just looks just like the Netflix

1:17:05

device. Netflix, you mean

1:17:07

Logitech? Or

1:17:08

Netflix. Yeah. The log I'm sorry. Not Netflix. Logitech.

1:17:10

Logitech. Logitech. Yeah. And that that

1:17:12

little colored that, like, minty

1:17:15

colored slot is where

1:17:17

you, like, place your tablet in,

1:17:19

by the way, for people who are, like, what

1:17:21

what is that? You you put your tablet in

1:17:23

there so it kinda pop props it up like

1:17:25

a like a laptop screen. And

1:17:29

yeah. I mean, not bad

1:17:31

for an inexpensive device. I wonder the

1:17:33

longevity, how do those keys feel,

1:17:35

but I mean -- Mhmm. -- sack this

1:17:37

away. Looks like under that thirty five dollars.

1:17:39

Even at thirty five dollars, I think it's probably

1:17:41

good. Probably. I mean,

1:17:43

I found the eBay listing nine dollars

1:17:46

plus fifteen dollars economy

1:17:47

shipping. So there you go. I found

1:17:50

the Logitech device that is ripping off.

1:17:52

It's the Logitech k four eighty

1:17:54

wireless multi device

1:17:56

keyboard. And it's

1:17:58

it's really so it's

1:17:59

the exact same thing. Slow.

1:18:01

Oh my goodness. I guess.

1:18:04

Wow. Oh, wow. That really is.

1:18:07

Although the the on what looks

1:18:09

looks longer, like, it looks like it has the

1:18:12

yeah. It has the keypad to the right of the

1:18:14

keyboard that the Logitech one doesn't. Okay.

1:18:16

So

1:18:17

they literally just ripped off the design.

1:18:20

Completely. No kidding. They

1:18:22

even took the dial that was on the side of the logistic

1:18:24

one. It was like, hey, we'll stick that on the mouse. Yeah.

1:18:26

Yeah. Just yeah. Put it on the

1:18:27

mouse. Put on the mouse, and it's different. Right? This

1:18:30

is so amazing. And

1:18:32

so the Logitech one, by the way,

1:18:34

on Logitech side, fifty dollars

1:18:37

free shipping. TWiT

1:18:40

it's thirty five on Amazon. I I was

1:18:42

just gonna say looks like it's on sale right

1:18:44

now. So Whoa. Yeah. But you

1:18:46

are losing the new the Numpad.

1:18:49

You're not gonna have the Numpad. You're not gonna have Numpad. And

1:18:52

the mouse.

1:18:54

So, you know,

1:18:55

everybody needs a mouse. Yeah.

1:18:58

I'm pro mouse. I mean, if you got your

1:19:00

tablet docked on a keyboard.

1:19:02

You probably do want a mouse so you can get

1:19:04

to places on the screen without having to

1:19:06

go, you know, all the

1:19:07

gorilla arm as they used to call it.

1:19:11

Interesting. Okay. So there

1:19:14

you go. The best

1:19:18

device according to Robbie eighty

1:19:20

eight. I'll put that social. That's

1:19:22

a good one. Email the

1:19:23

week. Thanks. Good job, Robbie

1:19:26

eighty eight. Good job

1:19:27

to get you. You didn't even know you were in in

1:19:29

the in the running -- No. -- for the email of the

1:19:31

week because you posted it on the social.

1:19:34

And, well, there you go. It just goes

1:19:36

show. We're always looking. And

1:19:39

sometimes we pull them from different places

1:19:41

other than email. You can't hide. You can't.

1:19:43

Yep. You run, but you can't hide.

1:19:46

I don't think you were hiding. I think you're actually

1:19:48

sharing it and thank you

1:19:50

for sharing it because now maybe someone else

1:19:52

out there will find this it's exactly

1:19:54

what they're looking for. Yay.

1:19:59

Thank you so much everybody for watching and

1:20:01

listening to this your episode

1:20:03

of All About Android. And thank

1:20:06

you, Winn, for being

1:20:08

here this evening. It's good to have you

1:20:10

back. What do you wanna leave people with? Feedback.

1:20:12

Hi. I'm an Android dev. You can find

1:20:15

my Android Things at my website, randomly

1:20:17

typing dot com, and you can find me

1:20:19

on the interwebs at Queen code

1:20:21

monkey in places. You

1:20:23

just type it as probably me. But,

1:20:25

yeah, glad to be Jacquard

1:20:28

that's it. And that's it.

1:20:30

Thank you, and and thank you, Ron.

1:20:33

What do you wanna leave people with? Thank

1:20:35

you. Well, if you listen to the pre show

1:20:37

chat, you heard me talking little bit about the other

1:20:39

podcast I do over at I fanboy dot com,

1:20:42

along with my buddies, Josh O'Connor, tuned

1:20:45

in this month's The

1:20:47

media has slowed where we're talking about what we're watching

1:20:50

and things like that. We do a deep dive on the

1:20:52

last of us. Which I did not watch, but

1:20:54

also Andor, which I did watch. And

1:20:56

I talk about I saw Creed

1:20:58

three in the theaters, been watching

1:21:00

party down, and finished watching

1:21:03

Gas lit and The Boys season three. So if

1:21:05

you wanna hear what I thought of all those TV shows,

1:21:07

go see that. That's a fun time. Like,

1:21:09

boy season three was was a

1:21:10

fantastic. TWiT was a really underrated. Really

1:21:12

good. Really good.

1:21:13

Not one. Season

1:21:14

two was rough, but season three was really good.

1:21:16

Just

1:21:17

all of it's

1:21:17

awesome. Yep.

1:21:19

I'll have to check that out. I've not even seen TWiT

1:21:22

episodes. Boys with a zeat yet. Oh,

1:21:24

okay. No. It's not. Is it not?

1:21:26

No. It's TWiT it's on

1:21:28

Amazon. Pretty dope. Okay.

1:21:31

I will check it out. Cool.

1:21:33

Well, thank you, Ron. Thank you, Wynn. Thank you,

1:21:35

Burke. Thank you, Victor,

1:21:38

behind the glass for

1:21:41

everything y'all do to do the show

1:21:43

each and every week. Let's

1:21:46

see here. Normally, I would say, well, I can

1:21:48

still say it. You can find me on Twitter at Jason Hell,

1:21:50

you can find me on the on Mastodon TWiT

1:21:52

social slash at Jason Hell. Normally,

1:21:54

I would say that I'm also doing a show with

1:21:56

Micah this Thursday, but I'm not because

1:21:58

I'm gonna be on vacation. So but

1:22:01

you should still watch Twitter TVT and

1:22:03

W I'm sure Mike is gonna

1:22:05

line up some excellent guests for

1:22:07

that show. I'm gonna be out the Exynos

1:22:10

it the next two episodes. So

1:22:12

next Tuesday and the following Tuesday, I'll be

1:22:14

back the third to Tuesday. So

1:22:18

so, yeah, So you won't see me, but you'll see,

1:22:20

I think, Flo is on next week. And then,

1:22:22

like I said earlier, Matteo Doni, on

1:22:25

the following week. So got fun

1:22:27

lined up while I'm out, and then I will

1:22:29

come Jacquard I'll be totally clueless as far

1:22:31

as what's going on in the world of technology

1:22:34

when I return. It was because

1:22:36

Leo goes goes away on vacation as

1:22:38

well while I'm gone. It was

1:22:40

gonna end up being that I get back on

1:22:42

Saturday and then that Sunday, I

1:22:44

host TWiT. But I was like, I don't think

1:22:47

this is gonna work y'all. I'm gonna be super,

1:22:49

like, clueless. Like, it would stink

1:22:51

to, like, go into TWiT. No. Absolutely nothing.

1:22:53

So

1:22:53

do you need to be tan, though? Yeah.

1:22:56

I'll have that going for me. Every time, you

1:22:58

know, something comes up in a story and I

1:23:00

know nothing about

1:23:01

it. I'll just point to my tan. That'll

1:23:03

hypnotize by your tan. Deep

1:23:05

deep tan. I am I am enjoying

1:23:08

this this this this

1:23:10

season of all about Android because I feel like this is

1:23:12

a season where Jason went on vacation a lot.

1:23:15

Yes. Important. It is

1:23:17

weird.

1:23:17

has worked out that way. Yes.

1:23:19

It has. And it's all gonna carry on the

1:23:21

pandemic's over

1:23:23

when when Jason and the Howells go

1:23:25

on on the road a lot. It

1:23:29

worked out that way that the first, like,

1:23:32

three months of this year was

1:23:33

just, like, lots of vacation. It wasn't

1:23:36

intentional just kind of happening.

1:23:37

Good for you, man. Good for you. Now it's all it's

1:23:39

all good. Yeah. Happy. Thanks for

1:23:42

for you.

1:23:42

Thanks for reading all the ads and doing

1:23:44

all the the work. I would say, like, when when

1:23:46

we when we see what the ads look like

1:23:49

next week and the week after, there are three of their

1:23:51

ads, which is good. Yeah. I like the ads.

1:23:53

Advertisers.

1:23:54

You We love them. We

1:23:56

we appreciate their support and please

1:23:58

use all their products. I will happily

1:24:01

lead AdReid's if you're

1:24:03

listening.

1:24:06

Yeah. Well, thanks for covering for me while I'm

1:24:08

out. And -- Sure. -- you know,

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does some interviews. I think our own Victor is

1:24:38

gonna be interviewed here pretty soon. Do we know when that

1:24:40

is? In

1:24:43

in the future. I can't

1:24:45

remember what episode that is or or what

1:24:47

date that is, but it's coming up. So if

1:24:50

you're a part of the if you're a member of

1:24:51

TWiT, you'll get a little interview

1:24:55

with Ant and the Dirk.

1:24:56

It's two weeks. Yeah.

1:24:57

I feel like it's couple weeks. Right? Yeah.

1:25:00

We'll find

1:25:00

out. But anyways and then, of

1:25:02

course, the discord that we refer to a lot.

1:25:05

Actually, discord right now

1:25:07

It looks like who who was

1:25:09

doing this? I think a p holder

1:25:11

in the Discord was using the mid journey

1:25:14

bot to come up with

1:25:16

picture of the weak image.

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Oh, cool. Nice. So

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an interesting game. I'd have to pull that

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down and repurpose that. That looks awesome.

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I love it. This stuff's

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