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Coming up on All About Android, it's me, Jason

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Howe. We got Ron Richards and Wyn Twit Dow,

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and we are getting super pumped for

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Google I-O. It's just one week away.

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We have a schedule, which is a little

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confusing, but we're just, we're so

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excited. We can't wait, and you will realize

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that when you watch and listen. Also,

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Apple and Google joined forces against

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tracker stalking, super important stuff

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there. OnePlus Pad, apparently

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all over the map, depending on the reviewer

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that you follow. Why YouTube

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Music's podcast

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section is merely gaslighting,

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according to Ron. JRA Feel

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reviews Pixel Search, an app for

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This is All About Android, episode 628,

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recorded Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023. Quantifiable

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badness.

1:04

Hello, welcome to All About Android,

1:06

your weekly source for the latest news, hardware, and

1:08

apps for the Android faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

1:12

And I'm Ron Richards, and this is my voice, completely.

1:16

And this is Wyn Twit Dow, and I might

1:18

be auto-tuned right now, or pitch corrected. You

1:20

can't tell. You can't tell. So

1:22

in pre-show, we were talking all about auto-tune.

1:25

The other show that we do that is APA. Our other

1:27

show, right, yeah. All about auto-tune. And

1:31

I'm convinced that some crafty

1:33

individual, fan of this show, will probably snip

1:35

out the beginning of this podcast. Oh

1:38

no. And run it through auto-tune, and email

1:40

it to us, triple A at twit.tv.

1:43

I have a feeling if you do that, you might get played

1:45

in an upcoming show. Don't forget to

1:47

pitch correct. Oh no. I believe.

1:50

I

1:50

believe. We don't have to do that. We're

1:52

gonna get a melange of auto-tunes

1:55

and me saying holy cow, and auto-tunes of goat noises,

1:58

and auto-tunes. Okay, that's it.

1:59

Well, bravo

2:02

in advance for the person who actually takes us

2:04

up on this challenge. We

2:07

got a full show of

2:09

news. We've

2:11

got news. Yes, I'm scanning through. Yes,

2:14

we've got hardware. We've got apps. We've

2:17

got JR with a new tip

2:20

that has nothing to do with YouTube this week.

2:23

That was a long YouTube adventure. It was. We're

2:25

now out of the YouTube and

2:28

onto other things, pixel things. And

2:30

then we've got some feedback. We've got a little

2:32

bit of something for everyone who

2:35

watches and listens to our show. The one

2:37

thing we don't have is auto tune. All

2:39

right, Burke, it's time for the

2:41

news.

2:44

Well, Jason, we've also got a Google I.O.

2:47

schedule. Yeah,

2:49

we do. That's

2:53

true. So yeah,

2:56

well, which makes sense, right? Because Google I.O.

2:58

is literally one week away.

3:00

I mean, it's one week away. That's

3:02

so weird to say that out loud. How

3:05

does Google I.O. one week away?

3:07

Well, not only is it one week away, but one week

3:09

from tonight, we will all be gathered there

3:11

at the table together in person for the first many

3:13

years. How exciting is that? So it's

3:15

going to be the three of us at

3:18

the table and Michelle

3:20

Ramon is going to be here as well. We force

3:22

it into the table. Flo can't make it.

3:25

We are so bummed, but we understand

3:27

she's got a good reason. I'm

3:30

choosing to celebrate my birthday with all of you. She's choosing

3:32

to celebrate it with friends. So

3:34

it's fine. I mean,

3:36

it's a lot to ask.

3:37

Petaluma is not very close

3:39

to where Google I.O. is. So

3:42

I'm just saying in advance to both of you

3:45

and to Michelle, if he's watching or listening,

3:47

thank you for actually agreeing to come

3:50

to the studio because it's going to be

3:52

awesome to all be here. But it

3:54

is a big ask and I totally appreciate

3:56

it from you guys. The nightlife of Petaluma. Yeah.

3:59

won't be experiencing that because we're going to like do

4:02

this show and then we're going to have to hit the road. Cause wait

4:04

a minute. I, I, I, I'm going

4:07

to eat cake at some point. Oh, well yes,

4:09

of course we got to do some dinner and some cake

4:12

for Ron. So we'll have to get, we'll

4:14

get dinner and we'll get you some cake and then we'll

4:16

go down to mountain view. It'll be all good, but

4:18

let's get, let's get excited for IO. All

4:21

right. I'm already getting excited for IO. When, what you got?

4:24

Well, there is certainly something

4:26

for everyone at IO because

4:28

on, on the schedule that is now released there will

4:31

be over, quote, 200

4:32

sessions and other learning material,

4:35

keynotes, technical sessions and on demand

4:37

learning sessions. It's a little

4:39

hard for me to tell what is

4:41

live and what is not. Obviously

4:43

the, the, the big old, uh, keynote

4:46

will be live. I presume the developer keynote will

4:48

be live. And there is

4:50

a cornucopia of what's new

4:53

in da da da da da. Uh, if

4:55

it's a Google thing, there's

4:57

probably something new in it, probably something

4:59

generative AI in it. Uh, we had over 200

5:02

sessions covering, you know, mobile,

5:04

which is really not just phones, but all

5:06

the things foldable, slippables, uh,

5:09

other form factor.

5:09

You got your web content. Probably

5:13

also some TV and other form factors like that

5:15

as well. I'm not sure if that that's

5:17

probably good. But my surprisingly

5:19

fall under mobile because then you've got web AI

5:22

is his own category and surprisingly and

5:25

cloud. Um, and

5:27

yeah, so yeah, we'll, we'll kind of, I'm still,

5:29

I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm just not good at reading

5:31

the schedule, but again, I can't tell

5:33

what is live and what I

5:35

can't

5:36

either. I'm kind of confused.

5:39

So, so last year the developer keynote

5:41

and the bail keynote were live and everything

5:44

else was prerecorded. Uh,

5:46

and so that might

5:48

be a good baseline. I don't know if more

5:50

is going to be live, but regardless, plenty

5:52

of content. And if you like

5:55

setting up your own little pixel self

5:57

within the IO adventure of 2022.

5:59

Well, the IO adventure chat will be back

6:02

in 2023. And it's

6:04

that little virtual playground where you can make

6:06

yourself a little avatar and quote

6:08

interact with the developer community in a virtual

6:10

chat settings, as well as talk with Googlers

6:13

to ask questions and discuss the latest product announcements.

6:15

So if you cannot be there

6:18

in person, which is, I

6:21

guess most people other than us, like these at

6:23

the table, um, you have

6:25

that as well. Um, but yeah, there's a full

6:27

schedule. A lot of what's new, a

6:29

lot of also typical educational,

6:32

like learning hands on sessions, so

6:34

plenty of stuff, especially for us

6:36

dev folks. So we'll, we'll have to

6:38

see how it shakes out and

6:40

what's live was not.

6:42

So I mean, as from an event perspective,

6:44

IO

6:45

is 200 sessions that can be streamed

6:48

online is my understanding from,

6:51

from like a grand view perspective.

6:53

IO is all these things, which is what we've come to expect

6:56

out of IO, but it's kind of looking like

6:58

they probably won't be, it's not like

7:00

they're live sessions that if you're at shoreline,

7:02

you can go check it out. The only real live

7:04

thing that I can understand here is

7:07

the keynote and the developer keynote.

7:09

Those two things for sure. Live.

7:12

Right. It's, I don't know. I'm confused.

7:14

Looking, looking at the number, looking at the number

7:17

of things that are happening on that day. Yeah.

7:19

Right. Like, I don't think they, they

7:21

all can be live, right? No, they're taking

7:24

the prerecorded, you know, kind of approach there.

7:26

And the focus is on the keynotes and

7:28

the, and that sort of thing. And then the live

7:31

kind of interactions, but like, yeah,

7:33

I mean, clearly a lot of this stuff is going to, is record,

7:35

is prerecorded and that's the way they're getting that much

7:37

done in one day. You know?

7:39

Yeah. And I did

7:41

see online, I wish I had linked to it, but,

7:44

um, I saw,

7:46

kind of, what is it, was it an article or anything?

7:49

Anyways, it was, uh, it was referring to

7:51

some tweets by some Googlers behind

7:54

the scenes, recording content for

7:56

IO, which kind of alluded to like, Oh, this

7:58

is the Firebase team. working on their IO

8:01

discussion or their IO presentation,

8:04

which makes me think, okay, so there's gonna be a bunch

8:06

of prerecorded stuff, but I don't

8:08

know if that makes up the majority of it. I would

8:10

imagine if there was a live schedule, we'd

8:13

have it by now, right? Right? People

8:15

would want to plan for these things. And usually

8:18

Google's been pretty good at giving this stuff

8:20

out in advance so people can plan for

8:22

it because there's overlapping

8:25

things, but it's not an event the way it was

8:27

an event before. It's not at a sprawling

8:30

stadium with many different stages

8:32

going concurrently. So I kind

8:35

of think the majority of IO is not live.

8:38

It will not be, so I don't know.

8:41

Well, I'm excited. I'm excited too, right?

8:44

I will be there bright and early at the Moscone, ready to

8:46

get my seat,

8:47

just like 2015. Last time

8:49

we were there together, Jason. Yeah.

8:52

Oh, wait a minute. When was last time? When was it?

8:55

2015 at the Moscone. Nine years ago.

8:58

Well, sorry, nope, I can't do math. Eight

9:00

years ago.

9:01

Yeah, long time. Long

9:03

time. Long time. At Moscone. At

9:05

Moscone. Was that the last year that it was

9:07

at Moscone? It was. It was. I've

9:10

never been to the map. I've never been to the map, the shore,

9:12

whatever it is. Well, and what, I mean, it's awesome

9:14

that you're going this year. It's just a bummer though,

9:16

that you're going and you don't get the full

9:19

sprawling thing because

9:21

it's such a- Festival. Yeah, it feels

9:23

like a festival. It's like a Google festival.

9:25

But anyways, I'm

9:27

like so thrilled to get to see

9:30

all of y'all in person and

9:34

to be there and kind of see

9:36

the announcements in real time, kind

9:39

of feel that excitement again. I don't know,

9:41

I'm looking forward to it. It's

9:42

gonna be fun. It's gonna be exciting. And we have

9:44

some interesting interviews in the

9:46

works. I don't know

9:48

that the interviews that we're doing, we're

9:51

gonna be talking with a couple of Googlers while

9:53

we're there. I don't know that that's gonna be

9:55

released on the All About Android

9:57

feed because we were having our show the night before.

9:59

So I think it's gonna be twit news. So

10:02

just to kind of give you a little advanced heads

10:05

up there will be extra Android

10:07

content coming next week All

10:10

about Android like normal, but then you

10:12

might have to check out our site and go

10:14

visit twit news Twitter TV slash

10:16

news I think takes you there For

10:19

some interviews that we'll do with some pretty, you know

10:22

Pretty important Android folk as far

10:24

as the announcements are concerned everything. That's the plan

10:26

anyways Figure out how to get them into the show

10:29

then weeks after so I don't know we can talk about this afterwards

10:31

But yeah, but folks listening to all about Android should hear what

10:33

we're gonna do there. So yeah, I mean, yeah,

10:35

there's there's certainly

10:37

Yeah, yeah, we could talk about it afterwards

10:39

But maybe maybe there's some you know, kind of highlights

10:41

or moments that we can kind of pull in So

10:44

that people can hear it. That's a really great idea.

10:46

It's gonna be fun But we are showing up Google

10:48

wants us there Google is yeah

10:51

in accommodating and like and it's really exciting

10:53

to partner with them Again, and I know

10:55

you Jason you and flow did it in the past. It's great

10:57

to be a part of it Yeah, really excited. It's

10:59

gonna be fun and facetime. Yeah, totally

11:02

looking forward to it We got a lot

11:04

of fun next week and a lot of work. I mean,

11:06

it's good. You know, it's

11:07

gonna be a busy 24 hours It's

11:10

good work. Yes So

11:12

this is interesting Apple and Google jointly announced

11:14

work on a new standard for its

11:16

tracker technology and Really

11:19

this is designed to tackle the

11:22

big I'd say the big problem

11:25

with tracker technology things like

11:27

air tags and I guess we don't have Google's

11:30

tracker yet Maybe we'll hear about that at Google

11:32

IO, but um There's

11:34

the tracker abuse essentially. So what is that

11:36

things like partners monitoring

11:38

victims or car thieves tracking

11:41

vehicles I mean pretty yucky stuff

11:43

that people realized. Oh, if this is a digital

11:46

tracker I can place this on person

11:49

or I can place this on Vehicle attached

11:51

to person and I can see where they go

11:53

or I can you know Figure out the

11:55

right time to steal that vehicle or whatever.

11:57

Whatever it is that people that are doing this, you know

11:59

come up with. It's a problem

12:02

for Google and for Apple and for

12:04

any other company that's in this business because

12:06

while the technology is helpful and

12:09

is very useful in certain facets, it

12:11

also carries this like dark undertone

12:13

with it. And so Apple and Google

12:16

really don't want that to be the case. They want to kind

12:18

of figure out ways that they can get rid of the bad,

12:21

but still keep the good of these things.

12:23

So they're working on a new standard

12:26

for this technology. They've

12:28

submitted a draft specification

12:29

with the Internet Engineering Task

12:32

Force, the IETF, Samsung

12:34

tile, Chippalo, Doofy

12:36

Security, is it Doofy or Duffy? Pebblebee,

12:39

they all support the draft spec and

12:43

it says a universal OS level solution

12:45

that is able to detect trackers made

12:47

by different companies on a variety of smartphones

12:50

that people use every day, which would essentially

12:52

mean that like an Android device, for example,

12:55

could be able to warn its user

12:58

if they are being tracked by

13:00

an air tag according

13:02

to the spec or whatever. Essentially,

13:04

the idea here is that

13:06

there would be some sort of way

13:09

to say, this is a legitimate tracking

13:12

device. This is illegitimate.

13:14

This is one that's near you

13:16

but

13:17

isn't registered to you or whatever the

13:20

case may be. And it would be

13:22

built in, hopefully, I

13:24

think eventually into the OS at the OS

13:26

level so that it couldn't be bypassed.

13:29

And this would be implemented

13:32

if this kind of goes to fruition by the

13:34

end of 2023, that is this

13:36

year. So it would be a pretty fast turnaround. And

13:39

I mean, according to

13:41

what I've read here anyways,

13:44

a pretty great start to solving

13:47

that problem. What do you guys

13:47

think? Heck yes. Heck

13:50

yes. What else can you say?

13:54

I mean, obviously, air tag

13:56

has proven super, super valuable and very popular.

13:59

But the...

13:59

the icky side is super, super icky. And it kind

14:02

of makes sense that really to solve this problem,

14:04

you would have to make it a much more

14:06

wide standard because obviously if Apple

14:08

just did it on their own in isolation, you could then

14:11

just switch phones. You know what I mean? Like

14:13

you just, or like obviously target people that don't have

14:15

that, but it makes a lot of sense. And of course if Google,

14:18

and we have covered that they are looking to making

14:20

their own trackers, if they want to

14:22

put out yet a new thing and have as much

14:25

positive press as possible, this seems like a good precursor.

14:27

There was a lot of P's. But I mean, it just

14:30

makes freaking sense. I mean, this

14:32

makes me feel quite a bit better about it.

14:34

I do have an AirTag somewhere just

14:36

to test it out, I think, but it's

14:40

freaked me out enough that I have not like been

14:42

so interested in using it, but

14:45

this helps a ton,

14:46

especially if it's kind of done

14:49

in a cooperative manner to cover all bases.

14:51

So yeah, let's do it.

14:53

And I think the point that you made

14:55

there is great, which is that there is so much icky, or so

14:57

much negative going with it that in

14:59

order for the, it's funny

15:01

because like I have often thought about this in

15:03

wondered where I feel like for every

15:06

accessory of places to put the tag

15:09

or like every story about how you

15:11

can use it to optimize and never lose your luggage,

15:13

you then see a story about how someone stalked

15:15

someone or how someone stole luggage or like

15:17

all this sort of stuff. And so I did wonder,

15:20

like, is this something that is reclaimable

15:22

or is this just a malign

15:25

that they're gonna have to live with for always

15:27

with these products or not? And so it's nice to

15:29

see them taking steps to try to turn it around. I

15:31

don't know if it's gonna work or if they can, but

15:33

you know. Yeah, I mean, it seems

15:35

like they're both committed

15:37

to working this into

15:40

the OS, so on the OS level,

15:43

with device, with some

15:45

sort of cross-device compatibility

15:47

to say all these trackers, you

15:50

know, our solution

15:52

has the ability to detect all

15:54

of these trackers via Bluetooth or whatever,

15:57

you know, the other connection method is, and

15:59

to determine.

15:59

and whether this is a legitimate or illegitimate

16:02

thing at the OS level. So I'm pretty confident

16:04

that they can do that. They have a lot

16:06

of interest, a lot of reason to get

16:09

it right.

16:10

So yeah.

16:13

So I think it's really great to see

16:15

this news come out and also

16:18

to see that it doesn't seem like, if

16:20

things go according to plan, it

16:22

doesn't seem like it's gonna be a huge amount of

16:24

time that we'll have to wait for that solution

16:27

to start kicking in. It's already... The

16:29

year's almost half over already.

16:32

Don't know if you realize this. Somehow 2023

16:36

is almost half over, which is kind of crazy. It

16:38

was just hard to believe. So it was at the end of the

16:40

year. Yeah, that would be nice

16:42

to get that.

16:43

All

16:45

right. All right, well,

16:47

if talk about things that we never thought we might see,

16:51

we see the day when this would happen. Do

16:54

you, Jason, when do you remember back in the day when

16:56

notification and ringtone volumes were separate

16:58

on Android? Do you remember that?

17:00

Yeah. Yeah, it was vaguely

17:02

around the time of Lollipop and then

17:05

was removed from Android. Well,

17:07

you know, Android has been around long enough that

17:10

we've got some reruns or some repeats here because

17:12

it looks like it is back and in testing on

17:15

Android 13 QPR 3, beta 3. It's

17:17

happening, like I cannot believe it. It's

17:20

happening! And actually some

17:22

people are seeing it live

17:25

in Android 14 beta 1. And

17:28

what's interesting is I read about this and I'm like,

17:31

wait a minute, I don't have this? Can't do that? And

17:33

sure enough, Pixel's have never had the ability in my

17:35

head for some reason I thought we did, but we didn't. Because

17:39

you've used other phones. I mean, you've used OnePlus

17:41

phones and they do that. Yep, exactly. Yeah,

17:44

so Samsung's do that. So Samsung

17:46

OnePlus LG, I've used LG phones,

17:48

yeah, so Samsung OnePlus and LG and

17:51

other manufacturers have offered this for many years now. They've

17:53

done it on top of the OS. They've done their own kind of versions

17:55

of it. But now it looks like

17:57

Android is catching back up,

17:59

it back in, whatever. My guess is

18:02

whoever the person on the product team at Android

18:04

that hated this around the time of Lollipop has left

18:06

and moved on. Now they're

18:08

gone. Their acts to grind year

18:11

after year. So Bobby,

18:14

can we finally split these apart? No,

18:16

I'm still here. I hate that. No.

18:19

Bobby's still here.

18:21

We can't do it. All right. Let's set

18:23

yourself a reminder. We'll check back with Bobby next

18:26

year. Dang Bobby. Bobby's

18:28

gone.

18:30

And actually Bobby could be

18:32

a male or female. I'm

18:34

just saying, I don't know. That's why

18:36

I said that. That's why I said that. Hit you

18:38

on the way out, Bobby. Oh,

18:42

snap. So, okay. Great. Cool.

18:45

What's old? There you go. Things

18:47

to look out for. The third one.

18:50

The bigger release. Yes. Oh,

18:53

great news week. I love the pre IO news

18:55

week, by the way. I

18:58

know some people like would see it, would hear that story

19:01

and be like, are you kidding me? I can't

19:03

wait, you know, because it's been highly requested.

19:06

It's just kind of ridiculous that it's taken this

19:08

long. That's, that's the weird thing. Anyways.

19:11

All right. You've got some hardware coming

19:13

up.

19:15

Let's get into hardware now.

19:26

So I don't know if you saw

19:29

that the reviews are out for the OnePlus

19:32

pad and

19:33

I thought it was kind of interesting to see in

19:35

this all play out. So yeah.

19:38

It does sound like I'm going to get one of these for review.

19:41

So I'm working with the folks at OnePlus to,

19:44

to secure a device. I'll have

19:46

like a month with it or something. And then I

19:48

have to send that back for another

19:50

reviewer. But in the meantime,

19:53

all we have to go off of our other people's

19:55

experiences. And I just thought this was kind of interesting.

19:58

So I'd say resoundingly.

21:59

whiplash like oh it's so impressive

22:02

oh wow I can't wait oh and

22:05

I actually I actually somehow managed to skip the

22:07

byline when I was reading Ron's article

22:10

and I was like wow this is dang spicy who

22:12

wrote oh it's Ron

22:13

yeah yeah I mean you know

22:15

he makes the case that um yeah that

22:17

you know he if you go

22:20

to Ron's article and scroll down there's a

22:22

there's an image of the tablet display

22:25

and a rendering yeah go down go down

22:27

go down there you go and a

22:29

rendering of the screen and basically what it says

22:32

here it says the vertical bars here

22:34

show how long each frame takes to render

22:36

for smooth scrolling they would need

22:38

to all be under the yellow line

22:41

so you know he gives a visual representation

22:44

for why he didn't like this tablet he said

22:46

when this fast if if you're just single

22:48

if this if what you're looking

22:50

at is like a static shot things look fine

22:52

things look crisp and clear and everything it's

22:55

when you get introduced movement into

22:57

the experience when things really fall apart

23:00

and I don't I don't doubt him at all

23:02

that he experienced that

23:04

because it's also I don't

23:06

know that he necessarily knew how other people were

23:08

writing so he's writing to his own experience

23:11

not calendar to others at least knowingly

23:14

as far as I'm unaware but

23:16

um but it is interesting to me how

23:19

how people can have completely different experiences

23:21

and it really seemed like so many of the reviews were like oh

23:24

this display is actually pretty solid but

23:26

Ron's definitely not that I mean it

23:28

was definitely the opposite so I

23:30

was like did he get a bum like review model

23:32

or something because he I wonder that's actually turned yeah

23:35

turned on GPU profiling which is

23:37

literally the OS like profiling of

23:39

how much the GPU is working more or less I'm

23:41

oversimplifying and yes the

23:43

graph that he showed is nasty

23:47

like it's kind of funny because this particular tool you

23:49

know when something is bad because the yellow

23:51

and red like warning signs cover the screen

23:53

so if you can't even see the apps that you're testing you

23:56

know that the performance is actually pretty bad so it's

23:58

not like he's just picking on it

23:59

for kind of like his own

24:02

perspective. There's like a quantifiable

24:04

badness.

24:07

How do you use this tool

24:09

before? Like in your development

24:12

experience? For scrolling, actually specifically

24:14

for scrolling when I was at Trello, not me per, well,

24:16

me in testing, but yeah, one

24:19

of the gentlemen, Mr.

24:21

Joe Geraudis who rewrote

24:23

the kind of Trello board, that was his thing, he

24:25

had that up constantly. And because his whole thing

24:27

was rewriting our board and scrolling

24:28

is a huge deal, because we did both vertical

24:30

and horizontal, and he had that up all the time. So

24:33

it's a really good indicator of when the app

24:35

is dropping frames, so it gets janky, and

24:38

it's just again a good quantifiable

24:40

way of saying, hey, the

24:42

scrolling performance is still

24:44

demonstrably and measurably bad. Yeah,

24:48

and that's exactly- Have used.

24:50

Yeah, what he spells out kind

24:52

of in his review as well, the

24:55

quantifiability of using this tool and

24:57

yeah, I mean, it doesn't look good.

25:00

I've never used this tool, but I'm kind of, you know,

25:02

read through his explanation and hearing yours.

25:04

And so I

25:06

don't doubt Ron at all, like, but

25:09

his eyes are really good compared

25:11

to other reviewers. I don't know, I don't know

25:13

how to explain it. Maybe it's just a bad device,

25:16

but it's interesting. But I'm curious to get my hands

25:19

on one of these, hopefully in the next couple of weeks,

25:22

and then I'll give you my

25:24

own experience on these scrolling

25:26

capabilities of the OnePlus pad to

25:30

see how it goes. Scooter X in chat

25:32

points out that, I

25:35

think it was Scooter X, yeah, that this tablet has

25:37

no biometrics, so no fingerprint reader,

25:40

no face ID.

25:41

I

25:43

mean, I don't know. I think with tablets, I

25:45

think it's an exception, not the rule

25:47

that you get biometrics in tablets. Yes,

25:50

I agree, I agree. And it's actually kind of funny because

25:52

I have my Lenovo and it has biometrics on

25:54

the, it has the thumbprint

25:57

scanner on the power button. And

25:59

I have it.

25:59

have it in a case and it's incredibly

26:02

annoying to use because the case covers

26:04

the button and it's like, I

26:07

don't know. I

26:09

get

26:10

wanting security and especially if you like travel

26:12

with the tablet and you don't want to lose it and somebody gets in

26:14

it, but like for me, like being at home,

26:17

Biometrics is a hindrance at this point. I want

26:19

to turn it off because I'm the only person using it. It never leaves

26:21

the house, you know? So it all depends on the use case

26:23

and it all depends on what the user is doing with it. Jason,

26:26

when are you getting this tab? Will you have it like next

26:29

week? I don't know. I might.

26:31

I honestly, I don't know. I don't know when I'm getting it. I love

26:33

tablets. Hopefully soon. And if I, I mean, if

26:35

I do get it next week, of course I'm going to bring it with

26:37

so you can take a look. I

26:39

would like to look at it, but also like hopefully

26:42

this time at least in this

26:44

time in a week plus 24 hours, we've

26:46

got our first glit. We got, we maybe we're holding it. It got

26:48

some hands on time with the pixel tablet. Yeah. You

26:51

know, if you had the OnePlus tablet, you can compare and contrast.

26:53

Yeah, no kidding. That would be a great opportunity

26:55

for sure. Yeah.

26:56

We can turn off. We can do GPU profiling

26:59

on everything and just watch the yellow, red

27:01

and green bars go by. You're like, when,

27:03

how do you turn on GPU profiling? Can

27:05

you come over here and flip it? I've turned on all the devices.

27:08

Just look it on, please. Someone's working in the booth, be like, who did

27:11

this? Yeah.

27:14

If you go to Google IO and you see GPU profiler on

27:16

all the devices, you know who did it.

27:18

There we go. Yeah,

27:21

it's win.

27:22

I definitely didn't. I don't know how to do it. It's win.

27:25

All right. Well, so

27:28

moving on from OnePlus to our friends at Motorola,

27:31

about a month ago, Jason, when you were

27:33

in the jungles of Costa

27:36

Rica, we talked about

27:38

how Motorola was bringing a flagship to the table

27:41

over in Europe, I believe with the launch of the Edge.

27:44

And now here a month later, we're talking about how they're

27:46

bringing that flagship to the US. The

27:49

Motorola Edge Plus 2023 edition

27:51

was announced for $799. And

27:56

this is basically the Motorola Edge 40, I think that we

27:58

talked about in early April.

27:59

But it's got a gig, a gig, RAM 256

28:02

256 gig of storage

28:04

running the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 with a 6.7 inch

28:07

OLED, 165 hertz

28:10

display, IP 68

28:12

rating 68 watt wireless charging, 20

28:16

milliamp main camera with

28:18

OS doubles as a macro. No

28:21

US carrier partners, though. So if you

28:24

want this, you can get unlocked and it will work.

28:26

But like getting it, you're going to have to go

28:28

chase it down.

28:29

But they also at the same time announced

28:32

the Moto G for 2023. They're

28:34

they're not what's sub mid

28:36

range

28:37

affordable range device,

28:41

which I love the Moto G's. Yeah, that's true.

28:43

It's not quite mid range, is it? It's it's a

28:45

little it's a notch below. Yeah, it's a lot of notch

28:47

below you, right? It's it's like lower

28:50

middle class. It's like, you know, upper lower middle

28:52

class, you know, lower mid range, lower.

28:56

But for two hundred fifty dollars, you can get this

28:58

phone with a six point five inch LCD, 120 hertz

29:01

display with four gig RAM, 128 gig

29:04

storage, 5000 milliamp batteries

29:06

running Snapdragon 480 plus. And

29:08

it has a headphone jack and micro SD slot

29:10

for all you fringe

29:12

people who need that micro people who can't let it go.

29:15

I know. I know. It's been years. But

29:18

I'm Marilla. I

29:20

don't mind Motorola. There's a there's a glowing

29:22

review. You got their Motorola Motorola.

29:25

Ron doesn't mind.

29:26

I like I like what they do. Oh,

29:29

they do. So

29:31

it's just been kind of quiet coming from the Motorola

29:34

side of things lately. Yeah.

29:36

I mean, the fact that they had a flagship is new like

29:39

that's a new they haven't really dabbled in that area.

29:41

So yeah. Yeah. Not not recently

29:43

anyways. And actually, I didn't put this story in here, but

29:45

Scooter X linked to

29:47

it in the chat that the Razor 40 Ultra,

29:50

which is, you know, the

29:52

well, it's the ultra version of the the Razor

29:54

foldable is going to be

29:56

kind of like a flagship like premier.

30:00

device once they announce that as well.

30:02

We don't have any official

30:05

word on that yet. So,

30:07

you know, if you like

30:09

what Motorola is attempting to

30:11

get back into when it comes to flagship

30:13

territory, they

30:15

have a foldable play and I mean they've

30:17

had a foldable play, but now they expect to

30:20

ramp it up

30:21

even further and go toe

30:23

to toe with the other, you know, premiums, a.k.a.

30:26

I mean, is that going to compare against the Pixel Folds? Is

30:28

that going to compare against the Z Flip,

30:31

you know, even further?

30:33

We'll see. So

30:36

you go Motorola, you go Moto,

30:38

you go. Go Moto. Well,

30:41

speaking of foldables, speaking

30:44

of foldables, good old

30:46

Evan Blass at Evleaks might

30:48

have slipped us the official marketing

30:51

renders of the Pixel Folds. So

30:54

we get as much of an official look at

30:56

the Pixel Fold as we're going to get before next week. So,

31:00

yeah, I don't think there's anything completely

31:03

like earth shattering in the renders. Just

31:05

we get that very like market marketized

31:07

view of the Pixel. It is

31:10

noted that it looks like unlike

31:12

the good old Z Fold 4, there is very little

31:14

gap between the two screens. So it looks like we won't

31:16

be having any telescope fun where we kind of hold

31:18

up our foldables and see if you can see each other through it. But

31:21

yeah, I mean, it looks as expected.

31:24

And Evan did drop a few more speccy

31:26

speccy. So

31:30

allegedly the Pixel Fold will be five

31:32

and it's going to be a five and a half inches tall, 3.1 inches

31:35

wide when folded, which is

31:38

quite a bit, you know, at least a half

31:40

an inch wider than the Z Fold 4,

31:42

which again, I love, but it's too skinny. Skinny

31:46

to be really used like as a regular smartphone.

31:49

And it will be,

31:51

let

31:51

me see, hold on, I'm mixing up 5.12. Wait, no, no, no. It's

31:54

going to be 6.2 inches wide when unfolded.

31:57

So a bit wider than like actually

31:59

over an inch wide. wider than the Z fold for when unfolded,

32:01

but that makes sense. If the front's wider, you double

32:04

that, it'll be bigger. And,

32:06

but to top it off, when it's folded, it actually

32:08

will be thinner than the Z fold for. So Z fold for

32:11

is a quarter inch thick

32:13

when unfolded, 0.6 inches

32:16

thick when folded. To contrast,

32:18

the pixel fold allegedly will

32:21

be 0.2 inches when

32:23

folded, so just a teeny bit skinnier,

32:25

and only a half an inch thick when folded. So it's going to

32:28

be wider and thinner, allegedly.

32:30

So we will see.

32:31

That's a winning combination. It

32:34

is better fit for pockets, more

32:36

screen real estate, but yet thinner in the

32:38

pocket. Like that's kind of cool. That's

32:40

good. That's, I'm already

32:42

going to pre-order it y'all. Whenever they give me the chance to, I'm

32:44

going to hit that buy button. Just, just no spoilers

32:46

there. Just when it's going to get one. And then just

32:49

a random smattering of other specs IPA.

32:51

It's going to be IPX8. It's going

32:53

to come in an obsidian or porcelain, or perhaps

32:56

just black and white for the rest of us, and

32:58

have a 9.5 megapixel dual front camera at F-stop 2.2

33:03

and

33:06

an eight megapixel inner camera at F-stop 2.0.

33:10

So there you go. The last little

33:12

drip bitty drop of a leaky peaky

33:14

before Google IO next week.

33:16

I mean, these press shots just

33:18

look all sparkling clean. They're looking so nice.

33:20

They're so sexy. They look so sparkling.

33:23

Who thought we, I mean, we speculated

33:25

a pixel foldable for how, I mean, Jason,

33:27

it's been a long time. It's been like multiple

33:30

years, right? Is

33:33

it ever going to happen? And then suddenly, oh wait,

33:35

it's happening in IO.

33:36

Really? Yeah. I mean,

33:39

it does. I mean, I know it's, it's just like kind of like those, those

33:42

fitness game shots where the person stands like very

33:44

like strategically, but that, that, that

33:46

last shot of the pixel pixel

33:49

fold does look quite svelts. Looks

33:52

quite svelts again. Could be just opportunistic

33:54

lighting and positioning, but I, I'm genuinely

33:57

excited.

33:57

And pre-order, let me.

34:00

Cheerios. Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme. Yeah,

34:03

I like it. Thank you, Adleaks,

34:05

for the leaks. Thanks,

34:08

Adleaks. Thanks for the

34:10

leaks. All right,

34:13

coming up next. Yes, we promised

34:15

you we would have app news, and we do. That's up

34:17

next.

34:18

All right.

34:26

Love some good app news. If we're lucky,

34:28

maybe we'll talk about two FA apps. But

34:31

first, here's

34:33

some WhatsApp news for you. Guess

34:35

what? WhatsApp now works

34:38

across four devices,

34:40

including phones. Same

34:43

account on multiple phones, which is crazy. Thank goodness.

34:46

Exactly. Because if you remember,

34:48

WhatsApp was tied to your phone number, and you can

34:50

only have an active account on WhatsApp on

34:53

one device at any given time. And

34:56

you were able to use companion

34:58

desktop devices. So, for example, I have WhatsApp on my phone. I

35:02

also use WhatsApp on the web on my desktop, so I

35:04

could use it that way. But now,

35:07

if I had two phones, I could throw WhatsApp

35:09

on there and still be able to log into the same account. And this

35:12

follows a new feature that launched last year that supported

35:14

multiple devices but didn't support multiple phones.

35:17

And also, I saw WhatsApp is because,

35:20

as we know, they are owned by everyone's favorite company,

35:22

Meta. One of

35:25

the funniest things in WhatsApp is that every now and then

35:27

I see the little circle in WhatsApp,

35:30

and I'm like, what is that? And then the

35:32

window pane slides over and realizes, oh, they

35:34

have status updates

35:37

slash story functionality that no

35:39

one ever uses. So now they've linked that to Facebook.

35:45

So if you're WhatsApp and Facebook are counterlinked and

35:47

you post to WhatsApp status, it will

35:49

post to Facebook status as well. There

35:52

you go. Co-mingling. I'll never

35:54

do that. So, yeah. But

35:56

good to know. Fun times. Okay.

35:59

This is one of the best things in WhatsApp.

35:59

One of those features is like, wow, why did

36:02

it take so long? But

36:04

they say it has to do with the encryption

36:07

side of things. I don't know what's changed

36:09

that now allows for it. Or

36:12

are they lessening security? Is this

36:14

one of those choices that like, okay, we're giving more

36:16

leeway,

36:17

but we're lessening the

36:20

security protection? Yeah, given

36:22

all their encryption and stuff like that, I don't think, I

36:24

mean, I think they take the security pretty seriously

36:27

over there. Yeah. And it's a free meta too.

36:29

So I think this is just more

36:32

of a, you know, I would

36:34

hope that they're locking down the system. They're

36:36

keeping it that more secure and just instead

36:38

of locking it to a single device,

36:40

realizing that some people have multiple devices and they

36:42

want to support that use case. So yeah.

36:45

Interesting. All right. Did

36:48

I hear encryption? Did I hear compromises?

36:51

Yes. Being user experience and

36:53

security.

36:53

All the above. All the above.

36:56

Well, guess what? We're not

36:58

done talking about it because, you know, we talked last

37:00

week, was it last week already? Yeah.

37:03

About Google Authenticator having cloud

37:05

sync for your one-time password

37:07

as well.

37:09

It's a week later and security

37:12

researchers at MISC pointed out that the

37:14

sync is not end to end

37:16

encrypted. And of course this is, you

37:18

know, kind of talking about

37:21

the fact that sync is now available is

37:23

a point of large convenience for users.

37:26

I guess your mileage might vary on that as well if you don't

37:28

necessarily mind the kind of migration

37:30

process, which we talked about last week.

37:33

But you know, some people do really care

37:35

and understand them so about

37:38

end to end encryption. So this

37:40

would be different in that of course right now, Google

37:43

has access and

37:45

can replicate your two FA codes if they

37:47

so desire. Not going to make

37:49

any statements on whether they would actually want to zip or not. But

37:52

if you really are super concerned

37:54

about malicious third parties or even just

37:56

another third party, a large third party like Google, having access to your third

37:58

party, Google

37:59

access to any of your information. The current

38:02

encryption, which I believe is just

38:04

in transit encryption and at-rest

38:07

encryption, which is really just, they're encrypting the data

38:09

when it's in flight and when it's being stored at

38:12

rest either on AWS or

38:14

on storage or somewhere. That's the only time it's encrypted. Otherwise,

38:16

Google conceivably can access your

38:19

2FA code. So if you do not like that

38:21

and you really, really wonder why

38:23

they did not implement end-to-end encryption

38:25

first, there is a reason Google clarified

38:28

via Twitter, via Christian Brand,

38:30

I'm

38:31

not sure what position you hold it,

38:33

Google. But he did say that there was

38:35

a trying to balance the

38:40

kind of protection of users, but also to be

38:42

useful and convenient. And he did note that if

38:44

they did have, if there is end-to-end

38:47

encryption, that

38:49

could actually lead to users being totally less out

38:51

of their accounts with no data recovery, since obviously Google

38:54

can not have any hand

38:56

or intervention in that because they just, they

38:59

don't have access to the one-time passwords

39:02

at all. So there is a kind of balance there about,

39:04

being hyper secure, but then of course the flip side

39:07

of that is that when something

39:08

is hyper secure, recovery can

39:10

be a pain or just incredibly

39:12

difficult. So they do say they're going to offer

39:14

this down the line. Down the line.

39:17

Down the line, so at some point. Sometime

39:18

in the future, I love that. Sometime

39:20

in the future. So sometime

39:22

in the existence of planet earth, this will

39:25

exist eventually.

39:26

Sooner or later, you'll get it. Who

39:29

knows when? Won't

39:30

say when. Never say when. But

39:33

they reiterated with something that we said last

39:35

week is that if you really don't like all of this, just

39:37

opt out of the cloud, keep everything

39:40

offline and you're good for

39:41

now. And then we'll see what happens then.

39:44

Yeah, keep it where it was. Yeah.

39:46

Christian Brand, product manager, identity

39:48

and security at Google. That makes a lot

39:50

of sense. I'm sorry, I looked at his Twitter profile and just

39:53

said Google and I didn't even think to actually

39:55

Google him. That's all right. Christian Brand,

39:58

VP of identity and security. a lot of

40:00

sense. Okay. All good. Okay. Well,

40:03

so maybe someday you'll get the best

40:06

of all worlds when it comes to encryption and

40:08

authenticator. We're

40:10

not there yet.

40:11

I do want to keep track though, as we

40:14

go through the year to count this, cause I feel

40:16

the number of episodes where we talk about authenticator

40:18

or two of a apps or authenticator

40:21

apps. I just, I think it's fascinating. So let's, for

40:23

the best though, at the end of the year, we

40:25

should keep track of how often this came up

40:27

and have some sort of like, it's like a, it's

40:30

been X number of shows since we talked

40:32

about authenticator. How about, how about the end of year

40:35

best of is nothing but a super cut

40:37

of all of our authenticators. Yeah.

40:39

Yeah. All those words.

40:41

Got to mix things

40:44

up a little bit. Yeah. But

40:46

at the same time, like it's not a horrible thing to continue

40:48

beating this drum because the more

40:51

we talk about it, the more it normalizes

40:54

to FA for even people

40:56

who might have been a little hesitant

40:58

to go into the two of a waters. And I think

41:00

it's important. It's a really great way to protect

41:03

yourself. So, um, so there

41:05

you go. There's, there's the, the,

41:08

it did occur to me though, that, that everyone's moving towards past

41:11

like a passwordless future. So

41:13

yeah, presumably if passwordless,

41:15

uh, sorry, past keyless past keys, past

41:17

keys, raskies

41:21

arrive, then they don't got to worry about and

41:23

then encryption on authenticator conceivably.

41:25

I mean, sure. It's carbon going to be around. Yeah.

41:28

Yeah.

41:29

That's that also is, uh,

41:31

at some point in the future, or how did they, how

41:33

did they phrase it down the line? Paskies

41:36

is also somewhere down the line. So

41:38

we're, we're waiting no matter how you slice

41:40

it for all these

41:42

things. Um, one thing you don't got to wait for,

41:45

uh, if you don't want to, and that's

41:47

a podcast coming to YouTube music,

41:50

as we know, we talked about it many times, Google's

41:52

podcast strategy. I have

41:54

lots of thoughts on this, but get through the news. A little

41:57

bit of a mess the past few years.

41:59

Google's approach podcast. Um,

42:02

the new hotness for Google right now, of course, is podcasts

42:05

within YouTube music after

42:07

a February announcement and a March

42:09

testing period podcasts are now

42:12

rolling out to the YouTube music app, uh,

42:14

to users in the U S so basically,

42:16

uh, and you don't have to be a premium

42:19

subscriber by the way. So basically you can

42:21

use YouTube music as your podcast

42:24

app.

42:24

Kind of sort of, I don't know. I found it still

42:27

found it kind of confusing. Um,

42:29

I mean, I could search and everything, but it's like,

42:32

wait a minute. Am I looking at podcasts on

42:34

YouTube or am I looking at this

42:36

like podcast feeds? I still don't know.

42:39

You're not. So here's, here's the issue and I'll dig

42:41

into exactly what's going on here because

42:43

obviously this is something near my heart. But,

42:46

um, but basically, so what's happening in terms

42:48

of podcasts on YouTube is

42:51

that YouTube has enabled

42:54

you to

42:54

identify a playlist as

42:57

a podcast. And

42:59

what that means then is that that podcast

43:03

will not only be, uh, included in

43:05

their podcast section on YouTube on the desktop,

43:07

but when looked on the YouTube

43:10

music app in the podcast section, it

43:12

looks a heck of a lot like Spotify

43:14

and pocket cast, and you can upload your one

43:17

by one, uh, you know, cover art

43:19

for your podcast and stuff like that. But

43:21

at the end of the day, they still have not

43:23

rolled out RSS RSS feed ingestion.

43:26

They have not rolled out RSS feeds sync. They,

43:29

all this is, is that if you have a podcast

43:31

and you are creating a video file of your

43:33

podcast, either with, you

43:36

know, people in front behind microphones

43:38

like we do, and here's the video version

43:40

of our podcast, or if you

43:42

just take the audio of your audio podcast and

43:45

drop it into a video with a static

43:47

graphic and export that and upload that to YouTube.

43:50

If you put that on a playlist, that's flagged as a podcast.

43:52

It shows up in the pocket in the podcast section of YouTube

43:54

music. So it is, it is,

43:57

it is fascinating and.

43:59

mind numbing as a podcaster

44:02

since 2015 to see YouTube music

44:05

and YouTube to be perverting

44:07

or twisting what

44:10

the term podcast is. And admittedly, I know

44:13

I said, we were talking earlier in the pre-show about a

44:15

dated opinion, but like

44:18

to me, podcasts are media

44:21

delivered via RSS. Yeah,

44:23

I would agree. I agree. And

44:26

there's no RSS happening on YouTube music.

44:28

Yeah, not yet. Now, I'm

44:30

fortunate enough to through

44:33

my day job and just through my

44:35

job and everything in particular to have relationship with

44:37

people at YouTube. I've sat in

44:39

on product briefings with the product manager behind

44:42

podcasts on YouTube. They claim they're

44:44

going to enable, they're going to allow podcasters

44:46

to submit their RSS feed and adjust that way.

44:49

I've also heard rumblings of if you

44:51

don't do video, they'll make it so

44:53

that you can ingest your audio and create

44:55

a video

44:56

that can work in that way. But like at the

44:58

end of the day, YouTube

45:00

and YouTube music is

45:02

a video platform. It's the same

45:04

like the co-mingling and

45:09

the mixing when they got rid of Google Play Music and music

45:11

to YouTube music. Remember Jason, our biggest

45:13

concern was, can I just find the

45:15

audio of the album I want to listen to? Am I going to have to watch

45:18

a music video and

45:20

say even though the audio

45:22

files are there, YouTube

45:24

music is priority to video.

45:26

Priority to music videos. When I go to my

45:29

annoying Nest Hub, who by the way is still getting

45:31

worse. I almost took a video the other

45:33

day of the laughable search results I was getting. Now

45:35

it's at the point where it's not even playing songs on YouTube

45:37

music. It's giving me search results. Even though I'm

45:39

saying play this song on YouTube music.

45:42

It's like, hmm, how about these search results?

45:44

It's like, come on. But anyway,

45:47

so while this is making

45:49

podcasts available on the app to everyone in the US,

45:52

it's not podcasts. Sorry. It's like, it's

45:54

not,

45:54

but it is. Yeah. Well, it's, it's kind

45:56

of like, Google's

45:59

playing a bit of. a semantics game

46:01

because like when I went on there, you know, of course,

46:03

it is search for all about Android and

46:05

I found it.

46:07

I found all about Android and I

46:09

could add it to my library.

46:11

So it's not subscribing. It's add to your library.

46:14

So I'm like, okay, so am I subscribing it or am I

46:16

like downloading this for offline viewing? Or

46:18

what does that even mean? And then when I hit play,

46:21

you

46:21

know, it shows me the video

46:24

version. Like there was no clarity

46:26

on am I watching, uh,

46:28

the actual podcast from the feed,

46:31

which it sounds like from what you're saying, I'm not. I'm

46:33

only watching all about Android as a podcast,

46:36

as it's found on YouTube, because we

46:38

also upload our videos

46:41

to YouTube

46:42

for people to, you know, because we have

46:44

a video product and that's another place

46:47

to do it. So it's like, so they're

46:49

playing a semantics game because all

46:51

about Android is a podcast.

46:53

So it's this weird, it's this weird

46:55

gaslighting thing because you're absolutely right because

46:58

there's no subscribe feature. There's no

47:00

notification to a new episode. You're

47:03

adding the podcast to your library, but that just means

47:05

that the whole archive is available in your

47:07

library. And when you search for it, it shows up. There's

47:09

no push mechanism for a new episode. It's,

47:12

it's completely, it's just

47:14

taking the term podcast and slapping

47:16

it into the thing to say that they're competitive with Spotify, which

47:19

is frustrating.

47:20

It's playlist. I mean, it's playlist.

47:23

That's, I don't,

47:25

I don't, I don't think necessarily that it's being

47:28

like, get off my lawn to say that, that there, that there

47:30

is a published push. It's

47:32

a, it's a, it's a stream. It's a published

47:34

stream of information. Like it's just like any other

47:36

kind of show, like a

47:39

periodic show. If I make a play,

47:41

I don't, I don't need a podcast

47:44

feature to make playlists for me. That's not the

47:46

point. And that presumably is missing

47:48

a whole bunch of actually like, yeah, self self-identifying.

47:52

Right now, the only, the only,

47:54

the only podcast function that you're referring

47:56

to that it offers up is, is

47:59

the one by one.

48:00

album art of the podcast. It does show you

48:02

that as opposed to a 16 by 9 thumbnail

48:04

of the latest video. Sorry. Woo.

48:07

Sorry. Right. Just that I, yes.

48:10

So like talk about what we're looking forward to at IO.

48:12

I would really like to hear from the product folks

48:15

at YouTube Music to understand what the podcast

48:17

roll out to YouTube. It looks like a podcast and

48:19

like, and cause it baffles me because

48:21

I've sat in these meetings and I've sat in these product

48:25

briefings where they tell it, you know, like for

48:27

a couple of years now, YouTube's been telling us, listen,

48:29

we have user

48:30

data that people are using YouTube to listen to

48:32

audio.

48:33

Period. So that means we're going to support podcasts.

48:36

And what, what the distinction of what they're not realizing

48:38

is that yes, people are using YouTube to listen to audio

48:40

because I know a lot of, a lot of coworkers

48:43

and staff of mine will go to YouTube and put

48:45

on an eight hour lo fi

48:47

stream or like background.

48:49

I know some, I know somebody who puts a

48:52

background music of a coffee shop

48:54

and that's what they work to. And so they pretend they're at a coffee

48:56

shop, right? There are people who listen to six

48:58

hour ASMR stuff and stuff like that. So yes,

49:00

they're using audio. Those are not podcasts.

49:03

Right? So it's like, it's, it's, there's a weird

49:06

reality distortion field happening within the YouTube

49:08

product organization around audio and around

49:11

podcasts. And it does as a podcaster,

49:13

it does feel like I'm being gas lit. Well,

49:17

it's like YouTube recognized it. YouTube

49:19

looked at its platform and said, Oh wow,

49:21

a lot of podcasters are putting their

49:23

podcasts on YouTube. We

49:26

should have a way for people to find those

49:28

podcasts on YouTube. But then when you

49:30

put it into a category of podcasts, like

49:33

I think from a user perspective, and

49:35

maybe it's just from like an us perspective, because

49:37

we're so steeped in podcasting, because that's

49:39

like part of our jobs. But from my perspective,

49:42

like I don't get what I'm going there to get.

49:44

I get,

49:46

Oh, you're exactly right. I get a playlist

49:48

of the, of the available podcasts that have

49:50

been uploaded to YouTube, not podcasts,

49:54

which is an RSS. And as Burke

49:57

pointed out in Slack, you know, RSS

49:59

is.

49:59

the playlist when it comes

50:02

to podcasts. But after not the playlist you get

50:04

there, you get the playlist of the podcasts

50:06

that someone chose to upload to YouTube

50:09

and then tag or mark as

50:11

a podcast. It's just, it's subtle.

50:14

I think the difference is probably subtle to

50:16

some people listening, but I feel

50:18

like it's an important distinction. No, it's

50:20

baffling. It's like somebody

50:23

who read an article in USA Today about podcasts,

50:26

then set up the product in YouTube music for podcasts.

50:28

It's like without a

50:29

fundamental understanding of what make podcasts,

50:32

what they are and how they work and what this entire

50:34

ecosystem is. And like, to be honest, like don't

50:38

get me wrong, now

50:40

I'm soapboxing, I'm sorry, but the arc

50:42

of the podcast industry and how

50:44

the rise and fall and

50:46

right now we're in ad revenues and free

50:48

fall and all this sort of stuff and the industry

50:50

is crashing and all this nonsense. But

50:53

the fact of the matter is that there are millions and millions of

50:56

podcasts out there and

50:58

many of them don't stick, many of the people who

50:59

try it hobbyists or whatever, but then there are people

51:02

like us who like Jesus Christ.

51:04

I mean, it's 2023. I've been doing this for

51:06

nearly, Jason, you've been doing, you know, we've been doing this for

51:09

nearly 20 years. I, Leo, everybody's

51:11

been doing this for such a long time. And the

51:13

thing about it is,

51:16

is that not every, like I know, I know so

51:18

many independent podcasters who have

51:20

been doing it for a long time, have a great setup and are committed

51:23

to audio and don't have the money, the resources

51:25

or the desire to embrace video in any

51:28

way, shape or form.

51:29

Right. And like, and if you go to

51:31

youtube.com slash podcasts on the website

51:34

in their podcast section, it's all Joe

51:36

Rogan.

51:36

It's, it's, it's either Joe Rogan or

51:39

it's, it's other people with setups like

51:41

that, or it's IGN or whomever,

51:43

or like, you know, stuff like that. Like honestly, like Twit

51:45

fits in what

51:47

YouTube's vision for podcasts are because there

51:50

is a commitment to video, which I respect, you

51:52

know, and like, and, and should be there, but like

51:54

it shouldn't preclude or shouldn't exclude

51:56

the, sorry, shouldn't exclude

51:59

the,

51:59

the millions of independent podcasters who

52:02

have built a ecosystem around

52:04

audio and embraced audio and love audio for what

52:06

it is. There are people like, there's a reason why I

52:08

choose to listen to my podcasts and not watch

52:10

them, right? And now the reality of

52:12

it, and again, and now I'm still boxing even more, but the reality

52:15

of it always comes back to dollars and

52:17

always comes back to ad revenue and always comes

52:19

back to that sort of thing. And once the IAB

52:22

and all the ad networks

52:24

and other, you know, like, you know,

52:27

uh, you know, the radio media

52:29

stuff like that got their myths into podcasting.

52:33

Everything has slowly degraded what was so

52:35

pure and wonderful about podcasting because it

52:37

became about how do you monetize it? Well,

52:40

video monetize is better than audio. So you should do

52:42

a video version like, and it just, it just, it became

52:44

a slippery slope to the point where we're at now

52:47

where YouTube, YouTube music is rolling

52:49

out podcasts and there's not an RSS feed or

52:51

an audio file to be found anywhere. But

52:54

it says a video, because a video ad unit

52:56

is worth more than an audio ad unit. That's why.

52:58

And as Lee Woods

52:59

in the discord says, my

53:03

kiddos digest everything on YouTube.

53:05

If you want to reach their generation, it has to be

53:07

on YouTube

53:08

and YouTube knows this of course. And

53:10

they know that they have the podcast. Yeah.

53:13

It's, it's really kind of a complicated,

53:15

confusing thing. It's like

53:17

to that degree, then I, I

53:19

sort of understand where YouTube is coming from. Well,

53:21

we've got all these podcasts on here. Why not

53:24

make it easy for people to find the podcasts that are

53:26

here? It's just, there's something about

53:28

it. Like you said, gas lit. There's something about

53:30

it that feels yeah, wrong

53:32

and how it's being presented because it's not

53:35

the same thing that Spotify is doing. No. And

53:37

it's not just an archive of all podcasts,

53:39

you know, and anyone can help. YouTube's going to tell us that they're

53:42

going to make it that we can, we can, we

53:44

can import our RSS feeds. Like

53:46

they have the engineering

53:47

capability to have done that from the get go. You

53:49

could, everyone would have flocked to it. It's, it gets, this

53:51

is Google podcasts all over again. It's, it's a thumb.

53:54

It's a, it's an innate misunderstanding

53:56

of what the business is and fumbling of it and

53:58

how to, how to.

54:00

had a favor the creators and favor the community

54:02

that already exists. And what they're doing

54:04

is they're, they're again

54:07

doing it to support ad revenue, right?

54:09

Because it's not going to be, oh, Hey, load

54:11

your RSS feed and you can have your podcast on YouTube.

54:14

It's going to be, no, load your RSS feed and we'll allow you

54:16

to make a video from your audio. So it could

54:18

be on YouTube music. That's what it all comes down to. Yeah. Right.

54:22

Advertising, which is their business model, which is their prerogative, but

54:24

it's like, don't tout and don't celebrate that podcasts

54:26

are available on, on YouTube music. Cause they're not, it's

54:29

not podcasts. I'm sorry, YouTube.

54:30

It's not. So case

54:32

closed. Oh, sorry. I

54:35

didn't realize we were going to have this, this whole thing, but this

54:37

is, this is my new, uh, messaging.

54:42

And now for the next five months, instead

54:44

of a two, a two factor, authentication and,

54:46

and then encryption, we'll, uh, we'll

54:48

be back on podcasting for the next five months. It's

54:51

just silly. Here we are again. Thank

54:53

God. All right. Well, let's

54:55

take a break from this. I need to hear from a more

54:58

level headed, much more intelligent person

55:00

than me.

55:01

Uh, so it's great to hear from JR JR Rafael

55:03

with his Android intelligence tip this week. Uh,

55:06

and he, and well, good thing he got off of YouTube

55:08

after the past couple of weeks. Here

55:10

we are with, uh, with, uh,

55:12

with a tip focused around, uh, pixel

55:15

search. So JR take it away, sir.

55:17

Hey, happy May. We are

55:19

now just days away from

55:21

the start of Google's grand IO

55:23

extravaganza. Cause I'm sure you know,

55:26

by this point in the show. And that of

55:28

course means the first pixel season

55:30

of 2023 is officially upon us.

55:31

How

55:34

about that? So with that in mind today, I want

55:36

to share with you a super useful new app

55:39

that brings a pinch of upgraded

55:41

pixel magic onto any Android

55:43

phone, no matter who made it.

55:46

It's called pixel search. And it

55:48

adds a smarter, faster, and more

55:50

efficient way of finding anything on

55:52

any Android device this minute

55:55

in the simplest possible terms. It's

55:57

like an even more capable and customizable.

56:00

version of the already spectacular

56:03

search system that's built into

56:05

Google's Pixel devices.

56:07

Now, this is a third-party app, not

56:09

made by Google itself, and

56:11

what's especially interesting about that is it can

56:13

give you a pretty significant practical

56:15

upgrade if you're already using a Pixel

56:18

phone, but it'll also give you

56:20

a pretty massive leap forward in user

56:22

experience if you're using any other

56:24

kind of Android device. So the

56:26

app lets you place a familiar-looking

56:29

but extra powerful search bar

56:31

as a widget anywhere on your home screen.

56:34

Just tap that and you can then pull up and zip

56:36

over to any app, any specific

56:38

function within an app, any contact

56:41

or conversation, and any file

56:43

or folder on your phone, as

56:46

well as search the web itself from

56:48

that same single spot just

56:50

by typing a letter or two.

56:52

You can even perform searches inside

56:55

apps like finding specific videos in YouTube,

56:57

places in Maps, items within the Play

56:59

Store, or shows in Netflix.

57:02

Pixel Search is completely free

57:04

to use for now too, though it does

57:06

look like it might eventually support some kind of in-app

57:09

purchases. Oh, and it doesn't do anything

57:11

shady with data, transmit any info

57:13

off your device or anything like

57:15

that. We'll throw a link to the app's Play

57:17

Store page into the show notes for you.

57:20

And if you've got a Pixel, by the way, you've got to come

57:22

check out my Pixel Academy eCourse.

57:25

It's a completely free seven-day course

57:27

that shows you all sorts of hidden Pixel

57:30

gems, things for making the most

57:32

of your

57:32

phone's camera, taking full advantage

57:34

of all of its most advanced features, even

57:37

eliminating some of its most common

57:39

annoyances.

57:40

Just head over to AndroidIntel.net

57:42

slash Twit and scroll to the bottom

57:44

of the screen to get started. That site

57:47

again is AndroidIntel.net

57:50

slash Twit. That's all for today.

57:52

I'll see you back here next week for Google

57:54

I.O. go time. For now, back

57:57

to you team. Thank

57:58

you, JR. Android

58:00

Intel dot net, uh,

58:04

pixel search. Mr. J J R

58:06

Ray feel Ray feel. Ray feel.

58:08

I'm going to pronounce it correctly. J R I'm sorry. J

58:11

R Ray feel. I will fix it. Dang

58:13

my long Island accent. Yes.

58:16

J R Ray feel. You're the best wish

58:18

you were going to be at IO next week to hang out first. Yeah.

58:21

I know it's a bummer that he won't be there in person. It would be great

58:23

to see him. It's I will fix it from near on out. I will

58:25

pronounce it correctly. I promise. So

58:28

I say on this podcast served by RSS. Yes.

58:32

So it's so it is known

58:33

on this, the first

58:37

day of the second day of anyways,

58:39

I can't do it. Okay. We

58:41

are done with that. But thank you,

58:44

J R appreciate it. So that is pixel

58:46

search can be found on the play store,

58:48

but check it out. Uh, if you got

58:50

a pixel device and you want better search,

58:52

there you go. That's the way. Thank

58:55

you, J R. That's it. That's it right

58:57

there. That's it. Okay. Up

59:00

next. We've got your feedback. That's

59:02

coming up next.

59:04

Triple a twit.tv. Three

59:06

four seven show. A A A when

59:08

you've got the first one.

59:10

Yes. And the first one is from a day one

59:13

listener, Steve and Steve writes

59:15

a saying listeners since day one. Thanks.

59:18

My question is to find a secure app to screen mirror my

59:20

pixel six a to my Samsung

59:22

tab. A Samsung uses Samsung

59:25

flow app, but it won't install on

59:27

my phone. Other apps are from Hong Kong,

59:30

et cetera, which I don't trust. Basically I want to

59:32

mount my tablet to the car dash and

59:34

use my phone as a base station to navigate

59:36

apps and info while traveling because the Samsung

59:38

provides a bigger screen for ease of

59:40

use. Any solutions thanks to everyone.

59:44

Steve. Ooh. I

59:46

mean, I did some plugging around trying to find

59:48

solutions and there are at, at

59:51

the core what you're looking for is you're looking

59:54

for an app that you can run on your

59:56

phone and your tablet simultaneously

59:59

that will.

59:59

the video from your,

1:00:02

the video feed from your phone to

1:00:05

the larger screen on your tablet. And

1:00:07

those apps do exist, you know, Team Viewer

1:00:10

is one, Anydesk,

1:00:12

ScreenShare, a PowerMirror,

1:00:15

there are all these apps that do that sort of thing.

1:00:18

But I hesitate to say

1:00:20

that that's gonna give you exactly what you're looking

1:00:22

for, because I don't

1:00:24

think that these apps do a great

1:00:27

job, I could be wrong, it's been a long time since

1:00:29

I've actually tried

1:00:29

to do this. But I don't know that

1:00:32

they do a really great job of scaling the

1:00:34

experience from your phone to your tablet

1:00:37

and then giving you the same kind of interactivity,

1:00:39

you know what I mean? Like it's still just gonna be your

1:00:42

phone, but a little bit larger,

1:00:44

not quite fitting the whole

1:00:47

dimensions of the tablet screen. It's

1:00:49

not gonna be the same as if you were in

1:00:51

an Android Auto and you cast your screen

1:00:54

to an Android Auto display and things

1:00:56

look all nice and tucked in and everything, it's

1:00:59

gonna be different from that. So sure,

1:01:01

you could try those apps, I just don't know that

1:01:03

you're gonna be happy with what you get. Am

1:01:05

I missing anything, does that make?

1:01:08

No, that's a really good point that if

1:01:10

you're just blowing up the app, that's kind of just

1:01:12

the same usability issue that a

1:01:14

lot of normal apps have on tablets anyway. So

1:01:18

yeah, I would agree, I just

1:01:20

advise with caution, it might not,

1:01:23

it won't be same, it might not be as usable

1:01:25

on the tablet, it will be bigger, but it will not be bigger.

1:01:27

Yeah, it'll be bigger, but even then, like

1:01:30

how much bigger, like what is the size of the,

1:01:33

what is the tablet that is using the

1:01:35

Samsung Tab A? What?

1:01:38

That's a 10 inch. Is that a 10 inch? I mean it

1:01:40

could, it's probably a 10 inch or

1:01:43

bigger. Yeah, I mean it's probably 10

1:01:45

inch, I would be surprised if it

1:01:47

was even bigger than that. Devices were Samsung,

1:01:49

but between a

1:01:51

Pixel and a Samsung, no, I don't

1:01:54

think so. Yeah. So

1:01:59

we'll, I'm seeing pixel or galaxy

1:02:01

tab a eight eight inch But

1:02:05

maybe maybe there are different ones. So maybe it's a

1:02:07

different one. Yeah Regardless,

1:02:10

I think it's gonna be a bump

1:02:12

up but

1:02:13

not an insane bump up Especially

1:02:15

when you consider that you're just kind of casting

1:02:18

the resolution of the phone if

1:02:20

there was a way to cast your phone And

1:02:22

drive the tablet at the tablets Resolution

1:02:25

and then get that extra screen real estate

1:02:27

and get things to you know Kind of fit the screen

1:02:29

and be able to interact with it And so everything

1:02:31

you do on the tablet screen is actually registering

1:02:34

on your on your phone Some of these apps might

1:02:36

do that. I think maybe team viewer viewer does

1:02:38

that great I think the other thing that you

1:02:40

run into is that every time you get into your car

1:02:42

you have to like Manually launch this app and

1:02:44

then launch it on the tablet and hopefully

1:02:46

it connects appropriately but sometimes they

1:02:49

don't because they can be kind of finicky and I don't

1:02:52

know just like when I think about

1:02:54

Trying to you know doing that in

1:02:56

my life like I would get tired

1:02:59

of it really fast I think if it wasn't perfect

1:03:01

every time so

1:03:03

anyways Let us know how it goes.

1:03:06

I'm curious Curious to

1:03:08

know how that goes Indeed

1:03:10

as am I all right.

1:03:12

So our next question comes from way up

1:03:14

north from our good friend Robert in Alaska

1:03:17

Which is fantastic if we've got an email from Alaska

1:03:19

before Jason. I know I'm sure we have I'm

1:03:22

sure we have Maybe from Robert even

1:03:24

maybe well, Robert

1:03:26

says from Alaska

1:03:27

love the show everyone

1:03:29

To the point of what tablet I use. I

1:03:32

am mostly the Google ecosystem I've always

1:03:34

had an Android phone since the Samsung Galaxy

1:03:36

GT dash I 7500 I

1:03:40

currently have the Sony Xperia 5 2 or 5ii Framework

1:03:45

Chromebook Windows desktop for gaming and

1:03:47

an iPad 9th Gen I hear from

1:03:49

a lot of Android journalists that if they use a tablet is

1:03:51

usually an iPad since Android isn't really suitable

1:03:54

for Tablets also, I got the iPad

1:03:56

more than half off new old demo model

1:03:58

that wasn't even opened

1:03:59

And thank you, Robert, because I think that you

1:04:02

are very indicative of

1:04:04

what the common

1:04:07

tablet

1:04:08

marketplace looks like. Is that whether or not

1:04:10

they're an Android user or Windows desktop

1:04:13

user or an OS X user or MacBook

1:04:16

user, for whatever

1:04:18

reason, Apple has dominated tablets and

1:04:20

has gotten the iPad in a place where

1:04:23

it is the de facto kind of like, oh, I need a tablet. Let

1:04:25

me get that. I have lots of artist friends who have

1:04:27

the iPad pro and utilize

1:04:29

it for drawing and doing all this fun stuff and things

1:04:32

like that. So,

1:04:34

you know, well, you know, can one plus break

1:04:36

through? Can Google pixel breakthrough,

1:04:38

you know, Samsung continues to be, you know, Samsung

1:04:40

has never wavered in their support of tablets,

1:04:42

you know, and, and so, and they, and they, and

1:04:44

they've always had really great quality tablets. Yeah.

1:04:48

So, you know, I keep hoping

1:04:50

for the year of the tablet. I, I, I love the form

1:04:52

factor and I want it to be a, you know, I've said it on the show

1:04:54

before, I want it to be a, a usable,

1:04:57

you know, great device that is more than just a second

1:04:59

screen when watching TV or media device

1:05:01

for going to the gym or for me like using it for reading

1:05:03

or whatnot. But

1:05:06

time will tell. We'll see if it, we'll

1:05:08

see

1:05:08

if the marketplace accepts it or not. So yes,

1:05:11

indeed. And just, just so you

1:05:13

know, I went into our all about Android

1:05:15

inbox and I did a search for Alaska

1:05:18

and I came back with 23. I don't

1:05:21

know if all 23 of those emails

1:05:23

are from Alaska, but

1:05:25

they had the word in it. So there's

1:05:27

that at least 23.

1:05:33

Anyways. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right, Ron. I think

1:05:35

Robert's experience is probably mirrors

1:05:37

a lot

1:05:38

of other users out there, tablet fans. It's just

1:05:42

kind of the way it is these days. It seems

1:05:45

we'll see if that changes and

1:05:48

fought and thank you, Robert, for sending in the email

1:05:50

and registering your, your

1:05:53

place of residence as Alaska on

1:05:55

our complicated database behind the

1:05:57

scenes. And now,

1:05:59

Now it is time for the email of the week.

1:06:05

Eric

1:06:06

DeStefano, who could be from Alaska,

1:06:08

but didn't say where Eric was

1:06:10

from. So, you know, there's that said,

1:06:13

so I heard another person is having the same problem

1:06:15

with smart lock that I've been having since a

1:06:17

recent update to my note 20 ultra happened

1:06:20

a couple of weeks ago. Sorry

1:06:22

for the late email. I'm about a week behind on my podcast

1:06:24

right now. No, I think you're doing all right. Says

1:06:27

anyway, nothing I've been able to find

1:06:29

fixes this issue with smart lock

1:06:31

permanently, but I figured out if you enable

1:06:34

the option for lockdown mode,

1:06:36

which once enabled is triggered

1:06:38

by tapping the power button and notifications

1:06:40

and selecting the option for lockdown mode, this

1:06:43

temporarily disables smart lock

1:06:45

among other things. But as soon

1:06:47

as you do that type it, as

1:06:49

soon as you do that,

1:06:51

type in your password or your pin one time

1:06:53

and smart lock will work for a little bit.

1:06:56

Seems like the length of time is completely random

1:06:59

though. Sometimes I only have to do this

1:07:01

one or two times a day while I'm

1:07:03

at work eight hours connected

1:07:06

to my earbuds and other times I

1:07:08

have to do it five to six times in that

1:07:10

same work day. Regardless, this

1:07:13

is the quickest way to get it working again,

1:07:16

that I've been able to find figured I would share it

1:07:18

just in case anyone else was looking for

1:07:20

a good temporary

1:07:21

workaround until there's an update to

1:07:23

fix whatever they recently broke. So

1:07:25

there you go. Not ideal, but

1:07:28

there's

1:07:29

an option for getting around

1:07:31

it. And I just think it's funny that

1:07:33

it's so random. It's like, sometimes I only

1:07:35

have to do this once or twice, sometimes five

1:07:37

or six times. It's so,

1:07:40

uh, so goofy, but uh,

1:07:42

it works and uh, you have Eric

1:07:44

to think about that to thank for that. So thank

1:07:46

you, Eric. And that's why you are the email

1:07:49

of the week.

1:07:51

There you go. We'll send you your

1:07:53

crown in the mail. No, we won't.

1:07:57

Uh, big thanks to everyone for watching

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and. listening to this episode of all about

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We really do appreciate your

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And if you look about see social

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Or if you can't find me, let me know. Cause I got to claim that

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Got some excitement coming up.

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