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news, hardware, and apps for the Android

2:03

faithful. I don't know who this

2:05

guy is, but I'm Jason Hell. Here's

2:09

the 607, because I'm Ron Richards.

2:11

the To be married? because

2:13

I'm 607 to get out. Yes. It's

2:15

good to have you both 607. and

2:18

even better. I mean, that's that's

2:20

amazing having you both 607. But

2:22

what makes this even better is

2:24

having one bag now 607. at

2:26

the same time that I'm here because usually

2:28

when I'm off, wands on,

2:30

and when wands on, I'm off, we

2:33

are not the same person. So here we are. Yeah.

2:35

It it was it was the rumor around the Internet

2:37

that it was, like, 607 bunion same place

2:39

at the same time. Totally. We have we

2:41

have joked about we've we've joked about

2:43

this literally for years. And I said, Juan,

2:45

I said, no. No. One of these 607, we'll get challenges.

2:48

This happens. And not only

2:50

is it this is the best this is, like, the best holiday

2:52

present we could ever ask for. Look at that.

2:54

So No. I mean, I was -- It was

2:56

-- Yeah. -- the best holiday present you could have

2:58

given. Yes. III

3:01

607, receiving. This is great. I I could

3:04

give you this holiday present. Would you how

3:06

would you feel about that? Violet, Yeah.

3:08

I won't throw it at you, but To

3:11

to your face, because it's scary, I'll say,

3:13

wow. Thank you. That is a that is a

3:15

very kind of you. And then I'll find something

3:17

more interest This is a called this

3:20

is a shimmer noel is what

3:22

the label on the bottom says. Shimmer

3:24

noel, it's like a it's like a reindeer,

3:26

like a ceramic reindeer

3:28

with pretty unreasonably sharp

3:31

antlers. Like, they're not they're not razor

3:34

sharp, but You can do some damage with

3:36

this thing. I'm little scared of it. Talk to you tonight.

3:38

I won't. Is it heavy? Like, this

3:40

bounce? to your eye out. five

3:42

and Yeah. It's it's got some weight. I

3:44

mean, not maybe

3:47

maybe five, but probably 607, like, four

3:49

or 607, four. Okay. Where is that?

3:51

Yeah. But, you know, you can you can

3:53

celebrate the season and protect yourself

3:55

from intruders. Yeah. I know. Right. It's a

3:57

it's a TWiT a great combo gift.

4:00

The gift that keeps on giving.

4:02

You'd put it in you could put it in the stocking

4:04

if it wouldn't tear right through it.

4:06

when you put it in there. They're just a big

4:08

stocking, like a big stocking, like

4:10

a size. It's a very big. the stockings

4:13

from You don't know. Have

4:16

this up and mantle playing out?

4:18

Stockings. Yeah. That's

4:20

not a bad idea at all. And

4:22

if that doesn't exist, we should make it and

4:24

make make millions of holiday

4:26

bucks. 607,

4:29

this is why we need to be on the same episode

4:32

one because we come up to eleven million

4:34

dollar ideas like that winner. That

4:36

that idea is already on wish. Yeah.

4:39

No. You're absolutely right. It's on

4:41

Wish. It's on AliExpress and all the

4:43

others. Some gadget

4:45

guy dot com to

4:47

find one all over the Internet.

4:50

Also, at some gadget guy TWiT.

4:53

Also, randomly appearing in

4:55

the slick 607 app. As I noticed, like, a

4:57

week ago, I was scrolling through my slick

4:59

607, and I saw a little video thumbnail

5:01

of one. So there you go.

5:03

I'm really excited about that one. It's a that's

5:05

a new partnership for me 607 that team is

5:08

is it's really exciting to get up to speed

5:10

on how aggressive they are a deal

5:12

hunting. So they're giving

5:14

me a crash course. It's it's pretty sick. Yeah.

5:16

Yeah. I mean, that that ops pretty great.

5:18

If especially this time of year, we're talking

5:20

about it a little bit in pre show, but long

5:23

time viewers and listeners of all that

5:25

android will probably remember that at

5:27

some point, I can't remember how far back I

5:29

brought 607 deals into the arena. And

5:31

it's just been one of those, you know, people

5:33

ask us an email from time to time. Like, what

5:35

are the apps that, like, continually you

5:37

continue to use year after year because

5:40

we brought so many apps into the arena

5:42

and, you know, peeling back the curtain,

5:44

what? Ninety five percent of those

5:46

apps, we probably didn't use

5:48

more than a couple of weeks. Right? Like, it was

5:50

cool to play around with them and 607, but They

5:52

don't have longevity. Schlick deals is definitely one of

5:54

those apps that has longevity for me. I use

5:56

it all the time. So there's a

5:58

little bit of a recommendation. But anyways,

6:01

Thanks. Yeah. The sex in the mail.

6:03

Good

6:06

to have you here, Juan. And we've got some

6:08

really great and interesting array

6:11

of news to talk about and some great feedback

6:13

a little bit later. So why don't we dive right in?

6:15

Burke, I hope you're ready I hope you've

6:17

thought really long and hard

6:19

about what you want the news bumper to

6:21

be. And if I if I can

6:23

say, I hope that by talking

6:26

for a long time about it isn't

6:28

throwing you off so that you forget what you

6:30

were gonna do. I was gonna say I thought you

6:32

were saying to Burke. I hope you fought long and hard about

6:34

what you did. You know what you did. Oh,

6:36

mhmm. You know what you did. You know what

6:38

you haven't done yet, and that's pushed the

6:40

button. Let's go.

6:41

In

6:45

fact, yeah,

6:48

no, I'm not so good under pressure when it comes

6:50

to stage. being, you know, in front of

6:52

the camera, the mic. So but today

6:54

is 607 drop day in the news.

6:56

There we go. Okay. Hey, you know what? I

6:58

tried to throw you off your game and It

7:00

only worked a tiny bit. You are a

7:02

professional. You're a pro. 607

7:04

a pro. I am. I act like a professional. I don't

7:07

sound like one. they broke the

7:09

mold with Burke. They literally

7:11

did. Was it a mold for a reindeer

7:14

head? There's the shipper. Yeah. The shipper know

7:16

well? Nothing much better. It

7:18

was a molt for whatever the heck this

7:20

thing is. 607 had the we

7:22

had the holiday gift of Wan joining the show,

7:24

and Google also gave us a holiday gift

7:26

with pixels. Yeah. If

7:28

you happen to have a Pixel phone, that

7:30

is, of course. Right? So you need a

7:32

Pixel to get the Pixel dropped. Otherwise,

7:34

everybody else listening, you know, the majority of

7:36

people who have their Samsung's and and

7:38

their other their one pluses and

7:41

and whatever else you have or, like, god,

7:43

who cares about Pixel drops? But, like

7:45

I like y'all just I like I like to call

7:48

up I like to call them 607 PD. 607.

7:50

What's the monthly PD? Oh, okay. That's

7:52

an interesting thing. The call gets the same PD.

7:54

Alright. I will try to I immediately

7:57

think 607 design because I

7:59

have the peak design case. Oh

8:01

my gosh. Hey, that's a

8:03

sleeping case. That's really nice.

8:05

That is a nice looking case, I have to say. This little

8:07

mount system is pretty cool. Oh, okay. That's what

8:09

I was thinking. That was must be a mount. Is

8:11

it a magnetic mount system? Or Oh,

8:14

yeah. I've got the the clip for it

8:16

right here. So they've got these plates that have

8:18

little triggers and you just go snap and

8:20

then you can kind of Is that

8:23

a fabric it kinda looks like it be fabric, but Yeah.

8:25

It's it's got a soft touch fabric on the

8:27

side rubber bumpers. They kinda wrap the edge and kinda

8:29

help with the because I'm not the biggest fan of

8:31

curved 607. So it gives you just a little bit

8:33

of an edge to protect against that. And

8:35

then it fits with the peak design

8:37

tripod or they also have a whole a bunch of, like,

8:39

little mounts you can get, like, handlebar

8:41

mounts or motorcycle mounts or car mounts. So

8:43

it's it's pretty handy. They they started

8:45

607 with iPhones, then they started including

8:48

607. It's really cool to see them supporting pixels

8:50

because 607 Design is a tiny

8:52

little company. Yeah. That's

8:54

dare I say slick. I like

8:57

that. That's a good indicator. That's that's

8:59

a good indicator for the health of

9:01

the line. Right? Yeah.

9:03

Yeah. You know? Yeah. People are taking

9:05

this seriously. Well, and

9:07

like NoMad, who I I can't remember

9:09

if there's still a sponsor, but they've definitely

9:11

been a sponsor on the network. They, you

9:13

know, were again, iPhone 607, and

9:15

then they started doing a little bit of Pixel. And

9:17

then they did the Pixel Buds, which

9:19

is like, whoa. You know, Pixel Buds case,

9:21

that's kinda crazy. So, a little

9:23

respect. Pixel's getting a little respect in the

9:25

hardware case world, but

9:27

that's not at all what we're talking about. That was the

9:29

total tangent. this

9:32

month, if you have a pixel device,

9:34

you are going to get the pixel

9:36

feature drop. And it's kind of

9:38

a little Christmas present from Google for

9:40

pixel owners. You get some pretty cool

9:42

features, VPN by Google One. So if

9:44

you have Google One account, if

9:46

you're paying for storage,

9:48

does this apply for anyone who's

9:50

paying for one storage or is it a certain tier?

9:52

because I'm paying for the two hundred

9:54

gig plan, which is I think

9:56

like, what is that? Like, three ninety

9:58

nine a month or something like that. And I've got

9:59

Google One VPN in my

10:02

app. I can't remember if it's, like, on the baseline

10:04

607 nine cent or dollar ninety nine

10:07

version of Google One, but 607,

10:09

VPN through Google,

10:11

that's a nice feature to just kind of suddenly

10:13

have on on your pixel phone if you don't

10:15

already have VPN. clear

10:18

calling, which was a feature that Google

10:20

had talked about earlier this year, reduces

10:22

background noise, and then enhances

10:24

the voice of the person who

10:26

you happen to be talking to, so it makes that

10:28

call clearer. I wanted to change

10:30

the voice of the person I'm talking to. Oh, like,

10:32

the kind of kind of like, yeah, like, the GPS

10:34

things. I I want mister 607 when I when

10:36

you Jason, when you call me or, you know,

10:38

but I was thinking more like 607 pain, like, They're

10:41

on. Oh, no. Please 607. Oh,

10:43

wow. You really

10:45

607 to do TV. That was great. Yeah.

10:48

It was a horrible rendition, but you get the

10:50

picture. This is

10:52

really cool. Not really. 607 up

10:55

Burke. Recorder.

10:58

Do do y'all use the recorder

11:00

app? It's like one of my -- Right. -- one of my

11:02

favorite Google apps.

11:05

607 love it. It's so useful and

11:07

it's so like just the other night,

11:10

actually just last night, I was

11:12

brainstorming with my She has to create a video

11:14

for one of her classes. And she's like, I don't, you

11:16

know, I I don't know what to do. And I was like,

11:18

well, let's brainstorm it. So I sent out

11:20

recorder and we were kinda talking through it,

11:22

had some really great ideas back and forth for, like,

11:24

ten minutes, and then I hit stop, and I was like, hey,

11:26

check this out. And I showed her the little

11:28

transcript And then I shared the link

11:30

with her, and it gives you the web page with the

11:32

transcript embedded. And it's just

11:34

such a cool. And and what's what's

11:36

interesting to me about that app

11:38

is it's that's not

11:40

like your table stakes app. That's

11:42

not a map. That's not a to do

11:44

list or whatever. I guess, maybe

11:46

some people might consider an audio

11:48

quarter a table steak type app that

11:50

you just expect to be on the phone. But

11:52

it's very different from, like, the you know,

11:54

yet Google is

11:56

investing a lot of attention to this, and

11:58

now they're bringing labels to recorders. So

12:00

when a different person is speaking,

12:02

the AI recognizes that

12:05

and 607 notate, you know,

12:07

person one or person two or however however

12:09

that's done. I haven't played around with it.

12:11

and it will delineate with a line when

12:13

you switch 607. And

12:16

that's just like that's so magical. That's

12:18

so magical. because I said I had no idea I had this

12:20

app on my phone. I I, like, literally, when the

12:22

Google Play started to go download and it was, like,

12:24

installed. I was, like, what? Yeah. Like Yeah.

12:26

This is awesome. Yeah. I think it's pre 607 on

12:28

on Pixel devices. It's it's just no

12:30

idea. baked in apps at this

12:32

point. Yeah. It's really cool if you haven't played

12:34

around with it. And the the the more I use it, the

12:36

more I I look for reasons to

12:38

use because it's just such a a great

12:40

experience. So everyone in Jason,

12:42

how's life? Be careful because he might do it. Yeah. I'm

12:44

recording you. Yeah. I'm recording

12:46

you. And and the transcripts are searchable,

12:48

so be careful. Okay? I'll

12:50

I'll send you the neat little 607 page with the

12:52

transcription. You'll see if it's okay. It's

12:55

all right here. I can listen to it

12:57

and read it at the same time so it definitely

12:59

happened. There's

13:01

a new security hub for security and privacy settings

13:03

and risk level settings all in

13:05

one place. You get sleep and snor detection

13:07

on the Pixel six and the

13:09

six pro. Don't get

13:11

me started on the Snor detection, by the way. Like,

13:13

I didn't know this was a thing, and then I

13:15

saw it in digital 607. I'm like, sure I'll

13:17

turn that on. And now I'm obsessively checking

13:20

every night to see how many times

13:22

I've coughed or how many, you know, how long

13:24

I've snowed. And obviously, I

13:26

shared the bedroom with my wife. And so now

13:28

I'm like, I mean, did you just ask

13:30

her? Like like, how does it know

13:32

how does it know who it is?

13:34

Like, this is I'm gonna say,

13:36

I'm my husband's door detector. He don't

13:38

even know cell phone, he 607. Yeah. So

13:40

When yes. Exactly. My 607 wife

13:42

I don't need the store detector. My wife tells

13:44

me 607 every night. But but

13:46

there was there was a there

13:48

was a week of, like, object panic where

13:50

am I googling, like, average length of

13:52

storing per night? Like, am I storing

13:54

more? So, like, Oh, no. I

13:56

slept eight hours and I snored six

13:58

point five of them. So Yeah.

14:01

It's really 607- It's really stressful. Yeah.

14:03

Like, when you see a graph like this, you're

14:05

just like, oh, god. You

14:08

know, like, why? Is all the glue, is

14:10

that all snore? Yeah. But the but the

14:12

thing is that it is is

14:14

607 it's misleading because, like,

14:16

it it builds a graph of the blue as every

14:18

607. So it looks like you store it the whole night,

14:21

is, like, two hours of snoring. Right.

14:23

Right. Right. I got you. There's two words that I

14:25

have for you that will make this whole

14:27

clear up, this whole problem. Stop

14:29

looking. Stop it. Yeah.

14:31

Stop. Turn it off. Turn

14:33

it off. Not necessary.

14:37

Well, I've a rant about assisted, but let's get let's get through

14:39

the Pixel dropdown. Alright. Alright.

14:41

Universal search coming to all pixels

14:43

back to the four a. There's new

14:45

languages for live translate, another very

14:47

magical thing that Google does.

14:49

Arabic, Persian, Swedish, Vietnamese, and

14:51

Danish -- Sure. -- coming to live translate. And

14:55

spatial audio support, although this

14:57

wasn't really a feature

14:59

that's being implemented. This was just like

15:01

an announcement that, hey, come into

15:03

the Pixel seven, the six, and the six

15:05

a, in January 607 spatial

15:08

audio support. So, you

15:10

know, the the Pixel buds pro

15:12

support spatial audio. We've been

15:14

waiting for actual support

15:17

within apps and stuff, and I guess that's around

15:19

the corner. but that's not all because

15:21

we also have a

15:23

contrary to the last time we did a a

15:25

feature drop or I don't think we 607 the

15:27

Pixel Watch then. We also get

15:29

the first feature drop for the Pixel watch

15:31

getting Fitbit 607 profile as part of the

15:33

Fitbit 607 package. that

15:36

was a lot of 607 and plosives. New

15:39

tiles for weather contacts, and

15:41

then, of course, the improved keep experience

15:43

that I think we talked about last week or

15:45

the week before. and then Google put

15:47

a little reminder in there that fall

15:49

detection is still coming,

15:51

though not until sometime in

15:53

twenty twenty three. So

15:55

there you go. It's still no podcast

15:58

app. So oh, well. On the

15:59

on the Pixel Watch. On the Pixel Watch one,

16:02

what do you think of the Pixel Watch have you gotten the blizzard

16:04

yet? Or Yeah. I I've got it.

16:06

I like it, and

16:09

I I think there's a

16:11

very specific kind of

16:13

maybe Fitbit consumer who is

16:15

gonna absolutely adore this watch.

16:17

It's not really the watch

16:19

for 607. And I'm kind

16:21

of back on my tick watch just

16:23

for super mega crazy awesome battery life.

16:26

I'm I'm curious to give this a go with just a

16:28

few of these little tweaks 607 refinements

16:30

because kinda feel like where OS three

16:32

is still finding its footing. And I

16:34

think it's still trying to find that refinement,

16:36

and I think it's still kind of you

16:38

know, sort of baking still. So

16:40

I'm hoping that this is a good platform

16:42

just to show us what we

16:45

can expect from future updates, and then then

16:47

we see a regular train,

16:49

a regular schedule of software

16:51

support for a long

16:53

neglected wearable operating

16:55

system. Yes.

16:57

Yes. Indeed. Indeed.

17:00

I'd keep forgetting to wear my Pixel watch

17:02

and, you know, I think

17:04

that kinda speaks for itself. I

17:07

don't know the necessarily like the 607 watch is

17:09

horrible. That's why I keep forgetting to wear it.

17:11

But as I've said time and timing it on this

17:14

show, I keep realizing

17:17

or forgetting what reasons I actually

17:19

have to wear a smartwatch. Like,

17:21

I really don't have very many reasons to

17:23

wear one. And so I forget a lot.

17:25

If I had 607 specific reason then

17:27

maybe I remember to put it on more, but I don't.

17:29

And so it just kinda Yeah. I I for

17:31

me, it's just my gatekeeper, so I'm not

17:34

constantly picking up my phone. And genuinely,

17:36

if I could get rich notification

17:39

support on a fitness tracker, I'd

17:41

probably leave smartwatches altogether

17:43

just so that I could bonds to

17:45

text messages from my wrist and get

17:47

better battery life. Mhmm. That

17:49

that to me, I think, would be the killer

17:51

the killer combo. All the other little applets

17:53

and things are fun. That's cool. There are

17:55

a few things I like doing from my wrist,

17:58

but I would I'd happily give them up

17:59

if I could reply to

18:02

messages it's speech to text,

18:04

and I could get the kind of battery

18:06

life we see from, like, you know, a

18:08

a mob boy or

18:10

Huawei or any of these other things 607 can last, like, three

18:12

weeks on a single charge.

18:15

And

18:15

I we keep wish wishing

18:18

for that. in this Caliber

18:20

smartwatch, and it keeps not happening. So I wonder

18:22

when that's gonna happen if

18:24

ever. So there we go. There's a

18:26

there's our 607 drop.

18:28

Over to you. There it is. Alright.

18:32

So I'll do my assistant

18:34

rant later. I Oh, okay. Yeah.

18:36

because it's really funny to show for assistant. Right? It's

18:38

more Nest Hub related. My my continued to

18:40

fight the Google Nest Hub.

18:43

But One thing Google makes that I

18:45

do love is Android TV and how exciting

18:47

is that Android TV thirteen is

18:49

now out of beta everybody. Another

18:51

holiday present from the go. Amazing. What

18:53

are we gonna see? What amazing stuff

18:55

are we in store for? Well,

18:58

Jason, let me tell you if you're looking

19:00

for May your major amazing stuff on the UI,

19:02

you're not gonna find it because

19:04

a lot of the updates are mainly under the hood

19:06

and behind the scenes. 607. Wow.

19:08

Okay. So

19:10

607, you know, if you look under the hood of

19:12

Android 607 thirteen, now you got adjustable

19:15

resolution and refresh rates, which is getting more

19:17

and more important and as the screens are evolving and,

19:19

you know, improving refresh rates.

19:21

Power saving mode, power saving modes,

19:24

Like, the device can pause content if the HDMI signal

19:26

changes to something new, which is

19:28

really interesting. Audio manager

19:30

API that anticipate audio

19:33

support for a selected device and

19:35

automatically optimize it upon playback of

19:37

content. Juan, that's up your alley,

19:39

mister audio file. Yeah. And, you know,

19:41

just a whole bunch of other small improvements that yeah.

19:43

Yeah. That's all in there. But minor bug

19:45

fixes in the release notes. Mhmm.

19:47

So So I'm very

19:49

excited to get this on my Google TV

19:51

for Chromecast, which I got

19:53

amid is getting lately a little

19:55

laggy and a little kind of annoying.

19:58

So I I wish I wish I had more RAM

20:01

and or storage space in that dongle in that

20:03

dang dongle. But I'm excited to get

20:05

into her 607. TWiT dang dongle.

20:07

I'm glad you said

20:09

that, Ron, because that's the biggest concern I've got

20:11

when we we look at, like, switching operating

20:14

systems on this kind of stuff is Boy,

20:16

howdy, is it easy to fill up the

20:18

storage -- Mhmm. -- on that chromecast.

20:20

I mean I think that's why mine's

20:22

starting to run a little chuggy too.

20:25

Yep. ah I

20:27

I was reminding myself of

20:29

how pathetic the amount of RAM

20:32

is. to go to 607 two

20:34

gigs. two gigs of stinking

20:36

ram on a device that's supposed to

20:38

power your, like, huge TV in your living room.

20:40

Give me a break. So also, we

20:42

have this ramp already, but it's still If I kicks

20:44

me 607. If I could complain about this while now

20:46

this is on topic and relevant. It's

20:49

doing different things now.

20:51

Specifically, in the Middle East, I have as we all know, everyone 607

20:53

time listeners know, I have two toddlers. I have two four

20:55

year olds that are running around the house. And the remote

20:58

has taken a beating over the last

21:00

two years. But it's doing a

21:02

thing now, which I don't think there's a physical problem

21:04

with the remote. But when I turn the power

21:06

off on the Google

21:08

TV remote, it turns the TV off

21:10

And then two seconds later, it back on.

21:12

And I don't know why.

21:14

And which is really frustrating when you're

21:16

telling kids, it's time for bed. Turns out,

21:18

like, the last video the TV

21:20

is like, no, it's not gone. Yeah. Exactly. But

21:22

it's not gone. I'm like, oh, god,

21:24

damn it. So it's really

21:26

607 and also it's doing a thing when I turn

21:29

it on. it doesn't do anything.

21:31

It's frozen unless I hit the back button and

21:33

then it unfreezes and I can move stuff around. Like,

21:35

it just it's it's acting very weird. I 607 just

21:37

get a new one, maybe. I don't know. They're cheap

21:39

enough. See if I can get two that I

21:41

could attach together and get double the RAM, that'd

21:43

be cool. Yeah. Daisy chain

21:46

now. Network, that's possible. Right?

21:48

Exactly. Yeah. 607 That's not fucking It

21:50

says d and then Like a raid. Did

21:52

it like Yeah. No. Like a raid

21:54

of chrome tag. Yeah. I

21:56

did buy the dumb Ethernet plug plugged,

21:59

you know, the Ethernet jack and the and the

22:01

plug for it that I just never I never

22:03

ran Ethernet 607 on. That thing's awesome.

22:05

I know. And I know it is awesome, but I've

22:08

gotta it means I gotta run Ethernet through the

22:10

basement through the floor. I just haven't done it.

22:12

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I bet

22:14

that it's like, oh, man. And then you're like, yeah. But,

22:16

I mean, it's still it's still working.

22:18

It's not like it's not streaming to

22:20

the device. It's just junket What what

22:22

really hung me up was who really hung me up was that I

22:24

thought I could because I have the

22:26

I have Fios and I have the Fios coming

22:28

in and the modem is installed

22:30

down by my power junction box of

22:32

the basement. And then it from

22:35

the modem, it's running up Ethernet

22:37

running up here to the office where the

22:39

FiOS order is. And I thought that I

22:41

could I thought that the modem would have another Ethernet

22:43

jack that I could plug into and just run

22:45

that to the living room, but it

22:47

doesn't. So just so I'd have to I'd have

22:49

to I'd have to move the router to the base. It's a

22:51

it's a whole it's a whole thing. And I just don't have

22:54

time. doesn't sound fun

22:56

to me. I I'd be there

22:58

procrastinating that too if I were in

23:00

your shoes. Wi Fi. And it kills

23:02

it kills me to be streaming, like, four

23:04

k over Wi Fi kills me. I

23:06

know it's supposed to be Ethernet. Right, Burke? It's

23:08

supposed to be Ethernet. So --

23:10

Definitely. -- you know, always I mean,

23:12

if I think the answer to that

23:14

question is, If Ethernet is available, then

23:16

yes. It's supposed to always be Ethernet.

23:18

Which which are you with Ethernet?

23:20

Yes. Yeah. I will

23:22

get three children, Ron, would have ran the

23:24

607. The house children Oh, right.

23:26

Oh, totally. Pre Jason or

23:28

pre pre Jason. would

23:31

be eroding my phone.

23:34

Right. Yes. Those children, Jason,

23:37

don't got time for that. So,

23:39

yes, that's how it works. Alright.

23:41

Winn, over to you. Still still related to

23:43

Android team. So still related. So we're we're

23:45

gonna keep talking about 607.

23:47

you know, TV 607, which, you know, has

23:49

a lot of neat stuff. But you

23:51

know, it isn't quite available yet at

23:53

least on consumer devices, but TWiT is

23:55

available on the ADT three, which is a developer kit

23:58

for Android TV. But

24:00

there's a

24:00

snag because After

24:03

three years, the ADT three is

24:04

discontinued. So ADT 607 is

24:07

a dongle, a developer kit

24:09

dongle on which you can actually,

24:11

you know, test Android TV devices,

24:13

which

24:13

is super important. Otherwise, the only place

24:15

that you can run this this

24:16

shiny fancy new Android

24:19

TV thirteen. Either ADT ADT

24:22

three or an emulator. And as a dev, I

24:24

can tell you, amulators, ain't good enough. We

24:26

really like physical things. So

24:27

Unfortunately, it's been out of stock for months on the

24:30

manufacturer rescue site.

24:32

And so if you're

24:34

a dev wanted to get into

24:36

Android TV thirteen development,

24:38

you might just have to emulate it up

24:40

for a little bit. But silver lining

24:42

sources say that Google is

24:44

lining up

24:45

a successor to the ADT three,

24:47

the HT4. And so instead of

24:49

an a instead of the current ADT,

24:52

there's too many Okay. Just say

24:55

that just say that as if it was a word at

24:57

it. Yeah. That's

24:57

a good year. Instead of

24:59

the eight, at it. not that. Instead

25:02

of an ADT

25:04

three dongle, you might be getting a nice

25:06

box form factor

25:07

for the ADT four, which is

25:09

reportedly based on a developer box that is currently being

25:11

sold by droid logic dot 607.

25:14

The

25:14

AmLogic S905X4

25:17

if I didn't get confused enough by too many letters and numbers.

25:20

Here we go. The mLogic S905X4

25:24

developer box is a

25:26

currently one hundred and ninety nine and

25:28

ninety nine dollars and ninety nine cents,

25:30

developer box,

25:31

which you can purchase

25:33

today to develop your Android

25:35

TV apps it actually is quite nice. I mean,

25:38

it's it's a bit more expensive than the ADT

25:40

three, which was seventy nine ninety nine as opposed

25:42

to, let's just call it, two hundred dollars.

25:44

and save when some extra number reading. But you

25:46

do get a lot for the two hundred bucks.

25:48

And so if the ABC four is

25:50

607 fact based on this

25:53

AMLogic S905X4

25:56

you're gonna get, like, two gigabytes of

25:58

RAM. Whoo. So much. Two gigabytes

26:00

of RAM. So lifelike, very

26:02

lifelike too --

26:02

Yeah. -- that we get

26:04

these days of their actual, you know, Android TV

26:07

device. I mean I mean, as a developer, you actually

26:09

607 develop for the sizes that are out there. Apparently

26:11

Wanna know what it actually is Not 607 we

26:13

hope it's like. So that's that's that's

26:15

good. Yeah. It's so sad. You

26:19

do sixteen gigabytes of storage, TV tuner

26:21

hardware, HDMI out, multiple

26:23

USB out, including a USB

26:26

c. you get thirty five

26:28

millimeter audio

26:28

and optical 607, a micro

26:30

SD card slot, and built in microphones and

26:32

a speaker to test out Google Assistant.

26:34

So a lot more kind of action packed

26:37

feature filled, you

26:38

know, inputs and outputs for

26:40

your TV app

26:41

development. So this stuff

26:43

seem to be an actual thing. There are references to

26:45

ADT four already in the android source

26:48

code. And sources

26:50

say that q four twenty twenty two was when it was

26:52

slated for release. But since it's as

26:54

of this recording, December six, we

26:56

might just, you know, kind of consider that

26:58

pushback a little maybe early twenty twenty

27:00

three. But when asked for

27:02

comment, Google has none.

27:04

So it's an interesting time

27:06

because this is always like weird to me because right

27:08

now, like, there's so many you

27:10

know, on the kind of

27:12

consumer Moustache developer side, you know, Google is so

27:14

excited about letting us know

27:15

that, hey, you all got Android TV thirteen coming

27:17

in, hey, devs, you get to use compose

27:19

drink for Android 607. But,

27:22

you know, there's always like this kind of like these

27:24

little disconnects, like, oh,

27:26

by the way, though, we don't quite

27:28

have a developer kit for you for sale.

27:30

But

27:30

just wait on that No

27:33

comment. So hopefully,

27:35

you'll have a new

27:37

dev box or developer kit to purchase

27:39

in the new year if you are a developer and

27:41

you are interested in getting in on that Android

27:44

TV thirteen. So That's quite a

27:46

quite

27:46

a change in what this I

27:48

mean, this thing looks beefy.

27:50

I mean, 607 for the two gigs

27:53

of ramy. 607. But,

27:55

I mean, this has so much I

27:57

O in it compared to, like, a little dongle.

27:59

It's, like, so different. TWiT

28:02

so much 607 because yeah.

28:04

Go ahead, bro. One. But I 607, I

28:06

I think you might have just been about to lean into what

28:08

I was gonna ask. Is this is gonna

28:10

be a developer TWiT, but does

28:12

this at the stage? Is this something

28:14

that consumers are looking at

28:17

does a dongle give you less confidence in

28:19

a TV streaming ability than,

28:21

like, a set top box type

28:25

product because, you know, Apple TV

28:27

looks like a different type of

28:29

product and there are different kinds of

28:31

Roku's. Is is this something

28:33

that you guys think, like, does that consumers

28:35

to think, oh, this is for serious TV

28:37

watching, not just a floppy little stick

28:39

that plugs into the side of my TV

28:41

two with two gig of RAM.

28:45

We'll just keep calling that out.

28:47

We'll keep calling that out until they actually Oh,

28:49

what is this? Not the problem. My grandmother's expensive, by

28:51

the way. How are you doing? four gig in there.

28:53

So Shannon, a two hundred dollar device. But but,

28:55

yeah, that's a good question. I mean, we've gotten very

28:57

used to 607 least coming from Google, the little

29:00

607 y thing. This is a very different thing.

29:02

But I guess if you're creating

29:05

one device to house,

29:07

you know, to to be a developmental

29:10

device, for Android thirteen.

29:12

Right? Android that's that's what's

29:14

gonna be on here, Android thirteen. Thirteen. I I

29:16

mean, if you're creating one device,

29:19

you know, you either side on a

29:21

device that doesn't have all of that

29:23

extra stuff and then what developers

29:26

are left to kind of come up

29:28

with other hardware in order to develop

29:30

for those things, or you give them all

29:33

of the IO and

29:35

then You know what mean? I know. What do you think when?

29:37

I would I would prefer all the IO because, like, usually

29:39

with especially with Android,

29:40

I love the Android ecosystem. The

29:42

one of the one of the

29:44

most

29:44

difficult parts of Android development is testing and

29:47

making sure that you cover everything. And

29:49

so sort of, they try to cover that with,

29:51

like, emulators, but emulators don't behave

29:53

like real devices. Real devices have power,

29:55

real devices have connection

29:56

issues. And as much as you try

29:58

to emulate or fake you know,

30:01

scenarios where you want your app

30:03

to, you know, be stable and

30:05

consistent in the face of real

30:07

607, emulators don't cut it.

30:09

So having a box and and and, like, like,

30:11

this is not cheap. Right? Like, I mean, 607 phones

30:13

aren't

30:13

cheap anyway. I

30:16

mean, like, two hundred dollars is probably

30:17

cheaper than most dev phones

30:20

anyway. But I think I think that

30:22

is a point to maybe what they're

30:24

hoping with this more robust you

30:26

know, testing solution is to cover

30:28

all the bases. Cover, you know, like,

30:30

anyhow, audio actually, you know

30:32

607, yeah, hardware and android is particularly

30:34

hard because there's so many different OEMs. So I

30:36

think by giving people

30:38

giving devs rather as

30:40

many possibilities or

30:42

as many, you know, points of error,

30:44

as many different connections they have to

30:46

support, you're gonna give people a

30:48

better, you know, you're going to

30:50

give devs a more realistic kind

30:51

of swath of things to support and hopefully

30:53

that translates to better and more

30:56

stable and more, you know,

30:58

bug free apps. So yeah. This

31:00

makes

31:00

a lot of sense. And yeah. Like, the fact that it's so

31:02

TWiT, maybe the you know, they're that means,

31:04

like, Google's, like, looking to

31:06

I don't think Yeah. Yeah. I I think

31:08

that's a good decision. I feel

31:10

to to your point, especially when that, like,

31:13

when we're talking about people who are trying to develop

31:15

for Android 607, I feel

31:17

we overlook that a mountain of

31:19

that development is probably happening from the

31:21

people making hardware. you

31:23

know, trying to build Google

31:25

TV into a

31:27

TV. And we've seen some of the

31:29

various teething pains on making that happen.

31:31

So if you make a developer box that

31:33

looks this kind of crazy Moustache

31:35

more premium 607 more

31:38

premium kind a set top experience that 607 for

31:41

me, it kinda looks to me like it's

31:43

sort of TWiT trying to

31:46

to you know, the tail wagging the dog is, like, you

31:48

get the hardware partner is interested

31:50

in something that they can sell to consumers. The

31:52

consumers are gonna have more faith in this,

31:54

like, larger computing device that

31:56

can do their TV. And then that's

31:58

gonna create sort of a snowball of

32:00

interest in in apps and services

32:02

trying to to jump on board.

32:04

I don't know. Whenever I see something like that, I get kind of excited

32:06

because III think

32:08

Google leading a discussion on

32:10

the hardware ecosystem

32:13

makes a lot of sense for sort of raising the cache.

32:15

And then people will go, oh, well, my TV

32:17

has this built in and isn't that kinda cool.

32:19

And then you can kinda like

32:21

bring other people to the party that way, sort

32:23

of a sideways way to get

32:25

more consumers interested in some of

32:27

these other solutions. Yeah. No. That's

32:30

exactly how it goes. And even I

32:31

think devs tend to I mean, like, this

32:33

is kind of, like, at the root of a lot

32:35

of conversations we have about this entire Google

32:37

Android ecosystem is that Google kind of

32:39

has to lead the way and provide opportunities,

32:42

provide testing devices, provide

32:44

avenues, and kind of some security

32:47

that this is not just, you know, like, five by the city of your parents,

32:49

just throw some stuff on a TV 607. That

32:51

there's, like, there's an there's an investment

32:54

in the long term, health and viability of

32:56

this as a platform. So yeah. Absolutely.

32:58

The tail 607 And then they can't be too good

33:01

at it. so that they get in the way of their

33:03

presence. Yeah. No

33:06

kidding. Well,

33:07

okay. We've got

33:10

That's kinda hardware e, and we've got more hardware stuff

33:12

to talk about in our hardware block.

33:14

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Android. And with that,

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it's time for some

36:04

more hardware. That was like in a Moose

36:06

bush of hardware before. This is the real stuff. A Moose.

36:08

Love it and a Moose bush. A Moose

36:12

bush. had a douche a mousse bunch of

36:14

hardware. 607, I hope you're

36:16

hungry for the for the 607 train.

36:18

Now we've got three lovely entrées

36:20

for you first stop. I gotta

36:22

tell you, I was in the

36:24

city earlier that that being

36:26

Manhattan, New York City, the

36:28

original the city.

36:30

And I just love my nothing you're sick earbuds. I I want I

36:32

don't know if you've gotten a chance to play with them or take a look

36:34

at them or not, but I got them. I've vandalized

36:36

them. When got them. You like that.

36:40

Right. I love them. I love them. I I was on the subway. Stuff

36:42

just sounded so good. I was so so happy with

36:44

them. One, have you have you seen them in

36:46

person? Or No. I haven't

36:48

gotten to play with them yet. I I have a a

36:50

bunch of friends that are that are rocking them right

36:52

now. I'm kinda backlogged. I've been

36:54

some other audio TWiT, so

36:56

I'm gonna hopefully catch up over the

36:58

holidays. Well, I would love I would love to hear what you

37:00

think of them, but it's got me pretty I was

37:02

actually literally on the subway today going, I'm pretty

37:04

excited about I'd like to see what they

37:06

have up their sleeve. So so you've gotten over the whole

37:08

jociness of the name at this point. You're kinda

37:10

like, oh, never been told

37:12

nothing. Yeah. We gotta listen. We have to listen. We

37:14

have to move on. It's like, like, I mean,

37:16

Jason, how many years did we play with

37:18

the Yeah.

37:20

The h is The Huawei watch. 607 the Huawei watch.

37:22

Yeah. All the all the stuff. Yeah.

37:25

WOW. WOW. But besides on the

37:27

subway end, I'm like, oh, wow. wonder

37:29

what nothing's got coming up next. And sure enough,

37:31

you know, today, you know,

37:34

I I was speculating would there be nothing

37:36

to phone? But there's not gonna be one for a while.

37:38

Actually, nothing CEO, 607 Pei,

37:40

formerly of one plus fame, but

37:43

now nothing CEO went on to

37:45

Twitter and said phone two isn't launching anytime soon. We're focused

37:48

on doing a few things well and won't

37:50

churn out dozens of products a year like

37:52

many others. Phone

37:54

one is our main focus. We're cooking something really great in terms

37:56

of software, Android thirteen, and beyond, which

37:58

has 607 me pretty excited. That's pretty

38:01

cool, but I'm still kinda Wwa,

38:03

because it's not available in the US.

38:05

But Pei said in an interview

38:07

with CNBC that the company is in early

38:09

talks with US carriers to bring

38:11

their phone to the US. Mhmm.

38:14

So Carl Pay get that

38:16

phone over the US. I'll I'll I I already

38:18

607 the earbuds. I'm ready for the

38:20

LED strip thing that looks

38:22

like an iPhone wireless charging interface. But,

38:26

yeah, let's do it. Come on. I'm

38:28

on board. 607 easy is it

38:30

for a company like nothing? Would that only

38:32

has a single smartphone? to

38:35

actually bust

38:36

into carrier stores. I guess it depends

38:38

on the carrier. Right? It depends on

38:40

the

38:40

carrier. We 607 it's gonna be

38:42

It's a 607 difficult. Yeah. I mean, it

38:44

took one plus years of building

38:46

their catalog. I mean, maybe maybe

38:50

maybe within there was their own resistance because for the longest

38:53

time, they were really, you know, really

38:55

playing up the enthusiast brand thing.

38:57

607 I'm, you know, Yeah.

38:59

I I if there was resistance internally to

39:02

doing the carrier thing early on. Like, they

39:04

wanted to kind of, like, buck the trend. And then

39:06

at some

39:08

point, that's, you know, they they have tons of presence in carrier

39:10

stores now, but I would just be really surprised if

39:12

nothing was like, yeah, our second phone ever

39:15

in the history of the company and here

39:17

it is in the Verizon store, you know. You you

39:19

would you would hope that Carl Pay has

39:21

some That's true. communication. That's true. He

39:23

hasn't he hasn't done this before.

39:25

Yep. So, you know, but again, I

39:27

think nothing's problem is gonna be

39:29

manufacturing at scale the

39:32

ability to put phones on store shelves

39:34

-- Mhmm. -- in the United States, because I'm

39:36

sure if you break out any kind of

39:38

carrier, even if it's like a low cost

39:40

carrier, like, a nothing phone showing up in, like, a boost mobile

39:42

type of thing makes a lot of sense in my

39:44

brain. Yep. Right.

39:46

That that

39:48

you still have to be able to say, like, hey, you were gonna build these phones.

39:50

The the carrier's gonna get an incredible

39:52

deal because now the carrier is

39:54

the customer, not the end user.

39:58

So you've 607 be able to build its scale with enough

39:59

of a profit

40:00

padding that you can eat the

40:03

the deal for the carrier so the

40:05

carrier can sell 607. sort

40:07

of a carrier can make a thing. Yeah. Right. Exactly.

40:10

And I think that's gonna be the biggest challenge

40:12

for any brand that's looking at trying to

40:14

work in the United States is it's

40:16

it's it's phenomenally difficult now to try and get

40:18

consumers to take a step outside their

40:20

carrier store and look at any

40:22

unlocked phones five g

40:24

is definitely making that even

40:26

more prohibitive with, you know, what

40:28

five g phone works on which

40:30

carrier service. So now the

40:32

only way to do this is to say, hey, we can really

40:34

give you a stonking great

40:36

deal, maybe even, like, razor

40:38

thin margins for nothing, and

40:40

then try and build up from there. So, yeah,

40:42

I would imagine it's it's it's a lot of doing. It's a lot of shaking

40:44

hands and and politics to get that

40:47

to work now. The nothing

40:49

phone one announced July this year released

40:52

607 mid July. I'm

40:54

curious to know how many they've

40:57

sold. Like, I don't know that we have that number. I'm doing

40:59

some searching, but my Google Food is coming out

41:01

of empty. Does anybody

41:03

in the UK

41:06

or Europe that listens or watches the show, have you seen a nothing

41:08

phone in the wild? Like, because that's the big

41:10

for me, that's that's the big in indicators

41:12

that anybody

41:15

buying into it. I'm sure someone is. Right? But it's,

41:17

you know, given the the limited

41:19

the limited, you know, kind of countries that

41:21

is available in -- Right. -- let's see those reports.

41:23

You know? And that's a that's a phone that's unmistakable if you

41:26

see that in the wild. You're like, oh, yeah. That's --

41:28

Yeah. -- I mean, if you're in the know, but even

41:30

if you're not in the know, you see that phone and you're

41:32

like, what the heck is going on there.

41:34

Like, that is it looks like no other phone. It's very I I don't imagine a

41:36

lot of people are like, oh, you, the back

41:38

glass spelled

41:40

off of your phone. Yeah. Right. Is your phone broken? I don't know.

41:42

Your phone broke. Yeah. I

41:44

can see all your phone calls too. 607. So

41:47

it looks like nothing else. That's

41:52

right. Interesting. Okay. Well,

41:54

you're gonna have to wait. Sorry. If you wanted nothing,

41:56

you're gonna have to get to nothing one.

41:58

I would say it's the right time to push pause though, because the mid range

42:00

market is really steady. You

42:02

know? 607 Qualcomm just announced what

42:04

was it the

42:06

seven eighty whatever their new mid ranger SOC is

42:08

gonna be. Mhmm. So you're

42:10

not gonna be

42:12

sacrificing much to

42:14

kind of hang out in this sort of four hundred ish

42:16

dollar space. I think nothing's

42:18

timing couldn't have been better. waiting

42:21

to see what might kind of happen in

42:24

that sort of manufacturing

42:26

space and the silicon space.

42:28

So they've got plenty of time to sort of work

42:30

out the deals and make sure everything's on the up and

42:32

up and to get their yields

42:34

looking good for an American market.

42:36

Yeah. Yeah.

42:38

Yep. Cool. true Well, you

42:40

know, Ron mentioned it that usually when we used to talk

42:42

about Carl Pay, we would we were actually talking

42:44

about one plus. And in fact, one plus made

42:46

some news last week

42:48

by updating okay, not as sexy as

42:50

a new phone, but announcing a change to its update policy. So

42:52

last week, OnePlus announced that

42:54

they 607 actually going to improve

42:58

their support policy and that all one plus flagship phones from two

43:00

from twenty twenty three onward will

43:04

provide four major OS

43:06

updates, and five years of security updates,

43:08

and this, of course, matches

43:10

the Samsung flagship update promise that

43:12

we talked about, like, earlier when it

43:14

happened. And, you know, that's actually

43:16

pretty good. So that kind of puts them in line with

43:18

probably one of the better, you know,

43:20

support plans and promises that are out there,

43:22

especially for flagship phones. So

43:24

anybody who hasn't been so happy

43:26

with OnePlus lately. You know, you kinda

43:28

got that going

43:28

for you a brand new policy. Of course, we

43:30

don't really have any word yet on whether

43:33

this new kind of more improved update policy

43:35

607 policy will affect, you know, previous flagship phones.

43:37

607, of course, it it most it

43:39

most clearly, it

43:40

doesn't seem to be impacting

43:44

or affect king, low and mid range one plus phones, like the

43:46

Nord. So,

43:47

you know, I guess, take

43:49

what you can get, but it seems

43:51

to be like that one plus

43:53

is falling along with Samsung's 607 if at least

43:55

giving their flagships the benefit of

43:57

an extended

43:59

support policy. And

44:00

on that note, you know, we got one plus, we got Samsung. j

44:03

our very own j r 607

44:05

feel of Android 607 actually

44:07

kind of, you know, in light of all these

44:09

companies, these kind of, like, popular

44:12

manufacturers, updating report policies to be a little bit

44:14

longer and 607 longevity

44:16

of phones. 607 wrote a

44:18

really great 607, basically calling out Google for

44:20

their their

44:22

upgrade policy 607 I

44:24

I think Jared I mean, like, you should go and read Jared's right up. It's

44:27

really good, and I think he makes some great points.

44:29

And, like, you know, Jared basically says,

44:31

you know, he believes that Android that the Pixel

44:33

is still, you know, one of the best

44:36

Android, you

44:37

know, is like

44:40

the premier Android

44:41

experience out there. But, you know, Google keeps

44:43

playing catch up in terms of, you

44:45

know, support policy and, you know, way

44:47

back with Pixel TWiT. you

44:49

kind of got, like, three years of both OS and

44:51

security updates. And, of course, with the Pixel six

44:53

last year, Google did up that to three

44:56

years of OS updates and five year

44:58

security. But I mean, the

45:00

the ant keeps being upped, you know, like the

45:02

I don't know, the

45:04

the support support support

45:07

war is really being won now by Samsung at one plus. And I think

45:09

Jeremy is a really good point 607 that kind

45:11

of like the role that he sees of of

45:13

the Pixel is to be kind of

45:15

like a North Star, a a kind

45:17

of like aspirational, you know,

45:20

device. It's Google showing the best

45:22

of what you know,

45:24

Android can be. And so why isn't

45:26

that including the support side of it

45:28

as well? because that's just as much a part of

45:30

the developer not developer. the experience

45:32

as the actual phone itself. So

45:34

definitely check that out. But I think it's a really

45:36

good point to make. Like, is that I mean, how what

45:38

do you what do you all think? Is it

45:40

why can't Google just match, you know, its kind

45:43

of competitors in this market with support?

45:45

Why is it still just you

45:48

know, three and five. Why can't it be four and five? What's what's what's the problem

45:50

there? Is is this a problem with, like,

45:52

the market? Or I don't know.

45:55

I think Google

45:56

needs to step

45:58

up. I I think that they have

45:59

personally, I feel like they have the

46:02

response to ability to be

46:04

there with the leaders, at least be there

46:06

on par with what Samsung and

46:08

OnePlus are doing. Because I

46:10

I feel like a commitment

46:12

that you make around an update policy

46:15

illustrates how you really

46:17

feel about your hardware. If you're

46:19

committed to hardware that that's gonna last for five years, I, as a

46:22

consumer, feel

46:24

more convinced

46:26

to buy your product because I know that the company stands

46:28

behind it for five years. And

46:31

if other day don't, What

46:34

do you mean? What if they don't? But but what if they're like, we're three

46:36

years 607 good? What? Making

46:38

a promise of four and then saying

46:42

three. Yeah. Yeah. Or or no. I'm making a promise to three or four holding on 607

46:44

four. Like, what what if that's just the line

46:46

of what they believe is their product

46:48

607 cycle? So Google right now

46:50

believes that three years of of

46:53

system updates, five years

46:55

of security is what they

46:57

were promising. is is what they're willing to put on their

46:59

Pixel phones. They did that before

47:02

Samsung came out and said, well, we'll do

47:04

four years

47:06

of major us updates and five year security. 607 just

47:08

III have a hard time

47:11

seeing Google say, okay.

47:13

Well, they they can be better than us here.

47:16

Like, it it's it's kinda like put your money

47:18

where your mouth is if But they but they but

47:20

I guess I'm I don't just play devil's advocate by

47:22

the way. So I'm not, like, not, like, argument, but, like They've

47:25

they've clear they've

47:28

clearly they've clearly run some sort of numbers

47:30

to say, this is what we're comfortable with, and this is the position that we're

47:33

happy with. And and Google's not a me too kind of company. Everyone like,

47:35

they they're trying to

47:38

Samsung or OnePlus are trying to differentiate themselves in the marketplace by by

47:41

adding on ears in there. But

47:43

Google has whatever formula

47:46

they have that they're comfortable with. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. You know, I just I

47:48

I am. The the what one of the things that

47:51

I think gets us really emotionally charged is when we

47:53

607 about these companies is 607 It's

47:55

like Old Man, Google, and mister

47:58

Samsung. And there's one guy -- Right. --

47:59

just hang the web. There's

48:02

definitely a 607. But I feel comfortable

48:04

doing is 607 just a bond that they're

48:06

standing on. Yeah. And they're just

48:08

hanging their fist at each other from across 607 --

48:10

It's three and a half fields in

48:12

the toys. So

48:14

I

48:14

can make I

48:17

for for myself personally 607 I've been going through

48:19

so many phones over the last couple

48:21

years, and we've seen some shaky update strategies from Android

48:23

ten to now Android thirteen. I kind

48:25

of side more with

48:27

this notion of make

48:29

the more modest promise on operating

48:32

system updates, but what

48:34

really matters to the phone's

48:36

longevity is efficiency,

48:38

better optimization, bug fixes,

48:40

patches, and security. And and we

48:42

see like, especially when we go and visit

48:45

our none as Techie 607 and friends, like, oh,

48:48

there's still this mental idea of while

48:50

I ran this update. Now my phone ran

48:52

slower and that was legitimately an issue

48:54

back in the you know, with

48:56

with battery throttling and CPU

48:58

throttling. So we're 607 getting over that hump

49:00

too. But I I

49:02

kinda think Google is making a

49:04

more reasonable promise with

49:06

three years OS and

49:09

five 607 security, try and imagine

49:11

where we would have been on

49:13

hardware from four or five years ago, now trying

49:15

to run Android thirteen. 607 I don't

49:17

think you're really offering a consumer

49:19

the best experience with that.

49:21

We don't 607. And I think Google's

49:24

being fair here. I don't think

49:26

Google can properly predict even

49:28

though they control the android ecosystem as we sort of

49:30

understand it today. What are we

49:32

gonna be doing in four years? What's a

49:34

tensor six

49:37

gonna look like when we're trying to build

49:39

the next generation of operating

49:42

system for the newest flavor

49:44

of hardware But then we're on this commitment that we have to support five

49:46

year old phones as well. Mhmm. And I

49:48

think you you do genuinely I I

49:50

think it's more honest to

49:52

say, hey, we were we're really looking at these three years, but then

49:55

we wanna make sure that those people, 607 the you

49:57

know, because there's that that

49:59

what do

50:01

you call that that that curve?

50:03

Peak of the bell curve. Right?

50:05

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So for everybody

50:07

you know, everyone who's like me who would have been

50:09

flipping their phone every six months, there are 607, many more people that are

50:11

trying to hold on to their phones for like three and four years. But once

50:13

you start getting to four in

50:16

five years, Do you

50:18

want to mess with that person's phone

50:20

with new operating system, new

50:22

features, new graphics engines,

50:24

new material design, much

50:26

heavier 607, on system

50:28

resources just to drive the UI? Or do

50:30

you wanna promise them that you're gonna be

50:32

optimizing and polishing that experience? So the

50:34

last two years of that phone's life, for people who might

50:36

not even be able to get a battery

50:38

replaced, that's as good as it's

50:40

ever gonna be. I don't know

50:42

that you get the best experience when you go back

50:44

to like a Galaxy s ten and pushing

50:46

through Android twelve. My Galaxy S ten

50:48

e ran like hot garbage --

50:50

Mhmm. -- when it first started getting that Android

50:52

twelve update and I was upset because it

50:55

was running like but on Android

50:58

eleven. I I feel like this this

51:00

is a a reasonable window. And then if

51:02

they fall back

51:04

on that, Like if Samsung puts out a fourth year of OS updates and it's

51:06

not running great, those are the phones that aren't

51:08

gonna get a lot of headlines, but the people who

51:10

own those phones are

51:12

gonna 607 hissed. Yeah. We're not going back and making videos,

51:14

video after video after video about Galaxy

51:16

S 607. That's

51:18

the window. that we'd be

51:20

looking at. So so it looks

51:22

bad on paper, but I

51:24

genuinely think that's probably a better

51:26

consumer experience over

51:28

the life. a five year life

51:30

of a product like that. That's

51:32

a good that's a good --

51:34

Yeah. -- good counter. I I like that

51:36

a lot and that makes a lot of sense. guess

51:38

the only thing that pops in my head in response to that is that, okay. Well

51:41

then, why is Apple able to pull it

51:43

off? Like, they can do TWiT. But

51:46

they don't. Oh, no. No. See, Jason, I'm so glad you brought that up. Because

51:48

look at when you get updates to older

51:50

iPhones -- Yeah. -- you increasingly start

51:52

leaving features

51:54

behind. Well, it was Yes. By the time you get to, like, four years of

51:56

iOS updates, you're basically putting a

51:58

new number on the iOS and it's just

52:00

descending down into more, like, bug

52:04

fixy kind of territory. Mhmm.

52:06

And we also have that issue

52:08

with battery health in the way that Apple likes

52:10

to throttle their products. And they

52:12

they just close it now, but really it's slowing everything down.

52:14

You gotta go and get your battery replaced if

52:16

you want full performance again.

52:18

So, you

52:20

know, iOS fourteen is not the same.

52:22

I'm sorry. iOS sixteen is not the

52:24

same on an iPhone fourteen as it is

52:26

on an iPhone eleven. and

52:29

it's not the same as it is on an iPhone SE

52:31

607 it's not the same as it is on a

52:33

ten s. Yeah. So pixels are a

52:35

different beast because pixels

52:38

genuinely pick up more features as they go along.

52:40

And I don't think even Google can properly

52:42

predict where they're 607 be in four

52:44

years. 607. that prediction

52:46

is the really hard thing. Right? It's it's

52:48

like, you're right. If if I was to, you

52:50

know, pull one of my legacy phones

52:52

on off the shelf, you know, in my

52:54

office and install today's OS? Like, that sounds like a

52:56

nightmare scenario to me. Like like,

52:58

just begging for trouble because even

53:00

back then, you know, two

53:02

OS updates. I

53:04

I would notice a difference. What I wonder is does

53:06

Google have any sort of calculus around

53:09

like, it it basically controls

53:11

the 607

53:14

experience or 607 the tensor development for the most

53:16

607, have they done enough

53:18

work around it to be able to

53:21

safely project. Like, can any

53:24

of these companies safely project into the

53:26

future and say, no. Four

53:28

OS updates. and it's gonna be

53:30

running okay. Where we 607 they just

53:32

saying for? And it's like,

53:34

well, you asked for it, but they're like

53:36

you said. I kinda feel From a

53:38

hunter This is what's with Samsung,

53:40

you get to you get to

53:42

those later updates and I I

53:44

have not enjoyed them. It's not exciting.

53:47

to get the new operating system on there. But we started

53:49

this conversation talking about one plus and

53:51

we just got Android thirteen, the

53:53

new oxygen OS, an

53:56

entirely new animation engine, and

53:58

I've got a OnePlus eight Pro, a

53:59

OnePlus nine Pro, and my OnePlus ten Pro, all

54:02

triggered at the same time. this new animation

54:04

engine is gorgeous. And on the

54:06

OnePlus nine pro and the OnePlus ten pro,

54:08

this is running phenomenally well. This 607, like,

54:11

these are some of the prettiest phones

54:13

I've ever My OnePlus eight Pro, I

54:15

think I need to hard reset it.

54:17

It is not taking this new

54:19

update as well as

54:22

the two newer phones. And so a lot of what's going into this

54:25

graphics processing, I believe, was

54:27

tuned up first for these

54:29

new big core, big CPU, big

54:32

GPU SOCs, and that's not what's

54:34

on the OnePlus eight Pro. Mhmm. So I feel

54:36

like my OnePlus eight Pro is struggling

54:38

a little So this is year three.

54:40

Mhmm. What's gonna happen with year 4II maybe don't want

54:42

that on my 607 plus a pro because

54:44

it was actually I feel kinda running

54:48

better On the last generation of oxygen OS where my OnePlus

54:50

nine Pro is running like a screamer. It's

54:52

just a hot rod right now. Yeah.

54:54

So those

54:56

of things, like, as you look at how the semiconductor industry is changing,

54:58

how you look at how consumer software

55:00

is changing, and we're putting a lot

55:02

more load on hundred and twenty hertz

55:05

refresh rate this plays, cleaner and smoother animations, new

55:08

graphics packages, new material

55:10

design, all of these new UI

55:12

elements. I

55:14

don't know that any

55:16

company can see a

55:18

roadmap more than another

55:20

two phones ahead to say, like, what

55:22

can be realistically support. I think a lot of these companies that are making 607,

55:24

you know, three and four year promises

55:28

are gonna get to that third and

55:30

fourth year and we're gonna see some

55:32

consumers struggling with the output that these

55:34

companies really give us. Yeah. I'll be

55:36

super curious

55:38

about that. And then this ties into

55:40

the next story because one of the first phones in one plus,

55:42

if not the first phone in one plus

55:46

catalog, TWiT will offer four years updates

55:48

is the OnePlus eleven.

55:50

Their usual cadence is early

55:54

early year for the most part. I I wanna say, like, March ish

55:56

time period for their flagship.

55:59

Renders are leak 607

56:01

at this so we're starting to get more details about

56:04

the OnePlus eleven. Two

56:06

colors, forest emerald, volcanic

56:08

black, volcanic

56:10

black. hundred twenty hertz AMOLED display, Snapdragon eight

56:12

Gen two processor, up to

56:14

sixteen gigs of RAM, And

56:17

I'll come back to that in a second. Camera bump, which

56:19

is like a large circular

56:22

camera bump, three cameras in

56:24

an LED flash, Hasselblad

56:26

branding there. I think it was the

56:30

ten t was the

56:32

latest one that didn't have

56:34

the Hasselblad labeling. And I was

56:36

like, oh, well, maybe they're done with

56:38

Hasselblad. Apparently, they're not that's coming

56:40

back if these renders are to

56:42

be believed. five thousand milliamp hour battery, one hundred watt

56:44

607, so super fast charging on a large

56:47

battery. Going back

56:49

to the RAM and kinda

56:51

tying in with what we were just talking One question that comes

56:53

to mind is four years

56:55

down the line. fourth

56:58

fourth OS update comes to a phone. Does

57:00

it matter more the processor that's in

57:02

there or the amount of RAM? because if a

57:04

phone has sixteen gigs of RAM right now.

57:08

I have to imagine that's that's that's

57:10

pretty solid four years from now still.

57:12

That's that 607 be kind of

57:14

you know what I mean? Like, the 607 the

57:17

movement over time of the amount

57:19

of RAM. Like, I feel like

57:21

suddenly smartphones really jumped in the

57:23

amount of capable RAM that's ending into some

57:25

of these flagships. And that's probably gonna

57:28

help long term 607. Right? Yeah.

57:30

I I care more about RAM than

57:32

CPU. Like, 607, unless,

57:34

like, it's, like, a drastic difference, I'm always gonna care about Ram because --

57:36

Mhmm. -- if anything gets me, it's, like, the,

57:39

you know, my processor or

57:40

not to get too devy, dev

57:42

607 y, but, like, Yeah. Memory errors

57:44

and, like, not being especially, like, in our kind

57:46

of more media focus, like, video photo thing, not

57:49

having that frame is gonna kill you

57:51

faster than a CPU. Like,

57:53

there's not really except for

57:55

very

57:55

specialized applications, there's not a lot

57:57

-- Mhmm. -- in in a lot of modern apps

57:59

that

57:59

really need freaking fast CPU, maybe, like, graphic stuff, maybe. I

58:02

don't know. Like, something that really requires

58:04

a lot of computation. 607 is gonna be where

58:06

it's at. Mhmm. So And

58:08

and also with the with the with the,

58:10

you know, barring a really

58:12

low cost low end,

58:14

you know, like, lower than mid range

58:16

phone, all

58:17

the because of Moore's Law, all the

58:19

processors are gonna be at a level that

58:21

are a competitive growth kind of, you

58:23

know, kind of progress there. And

58:25

so, you know, like, you know, it goes back you

58:27

know, JC, you've heard me say this over the years because back,

58:29

you know, back in the eighties when my dad explained

58:32

to me the computer industries that, you know, that there

58:34

there's there's a computer for five hundred dollars, a computer for a thousand dollars, right, computer

58:36

for fifteen hundred dollars, and it's always gonna

58:38

be those prices. It's just what, you 607 know,

58:42

the thousand dollar one will be five hundred dollars in two years. And the next

58:44

thing will be if that you know, like, it's just a 607 in

58:46

terms of so spot. What you get on those things is

58:49

so true. that's happen is that the processors will

58:51

keep doubling or keep going. But

58:54

Ram, you know, like, it it go it goes back

58:56

to when people are building PCs, back in, you know,

58:58

beige box days. I'm like, spend your money on

59:00

RAM. You're you'll you'll you'll thank me

59:02

later. Yeah. You know, it's the most

59:04

good. Yeah. 607 I'll I'll I'll throw

59:06

I'll throw

59:08

the the devil's advocate on this one too. Alright. Yeah. And

59:10

so so when when we're and again, because

59:12

we're talking about not being able to predict

59:14

the future, I don't believe

59:16

the system requirements of an

59:18

operating system are gonna

59:20

be a major issue. So but now when we're

59:22

talking 607 eight to sixteen gigs

59:24

of RAM in a phone, now I

59:26

think your biggest issue is gonna be battery

59:28

health. The phone can't properly

59:30

power itself, then you

59:32

don't get benefits of all that hardware, and you're gonna get throttling. That's

59:34

gonna be a part of the experience. Right. True. What

59:36

I don't know that we'll see you over

59:38

the next

59:40

four years I think we're gonna

59:42

keep seeing modest CPU and GPU growth, but I think we're gonna see this continued ratcheting

59:44

of machine learning, ASICs, ISPs,

59:49

all of the little co processors that go

59:52

inside. So in four years, if we have a whole

59:54

bunch of new services

59:56

that are staple to this operating system that are now

59:58

leveraging four years in the

1:00:00

future machine learning hardware. Then

1:00:02

an older phone like this, it won't matter how

1:00:04

much RAM has. It won't really

1:00:06

matter how much brute force

1:00:08

CPU compute power it has. It will

1:00:10

feel sluggish because it's not

1:00:12

being able to leverage as many of

1:00:14

these machine learning capabilities. That

1:00:16

607 me is the danger going into the future right

1:00:18

now. Yeah. We are we are

1:00:22

grossly overpowered. for CPU and GPU right now. Mhmm. What where

1:00:24

a lot of these manufacturers are really trying

1:00:26

to step up and build new experiences and what

1:00:28

the whole promise of the tensor is going to

1:00:32

be is better machine learning, better

1:00:34

AI, better predictive, better on device

1:00:36

capabilities. You're not sending as

1:00:38

much information up to the cloud

1:00:41

process in real 607. And all of

1:00:43

that, four years from now, I I bet

1:00:45

you will probably only see about another

1:00:48

twenty percent change to

1:00:50

CPU performance with maybe hopefully a fifteen

1:00:52

percent reduction in power,

1:00:54

but the machine learning stuff is 607 be off

1:00:56

the 607. So what

1:00:58

we really need at the end of the day is

1:01:00

we need Google to bring back

1:01:02

project ARA. And

1:01:04

Yes. that if we cannot Right.

1:01:06

Modularly, we 607 upgrade our

1:01:08

phone over time, and it won't matter.

1:01:12

Hard agree. That's what I want

1:01:14

for Christmas, Jason. You just need to

1:01:16

know. You keep asking, but

1:01:18

Google and Google keeps talking. TWiT

1:01:20

to. Before we before we move on though, Jason,

1:01:22

don't you miss the days of the

1:01:24

one plus marketing mistakes? Yeah.

1:01:27

They're they're a little too sparkly

1:01:30

now. Little too buttoned up, a little too

1:01:32

professional. Back in the day, the old days,

1:01:34

OnePlus was a very entertaining phone

1:01:36

company to cover. because they took

1:01:38

risks, and sometimes it blew up in their face, and

1:01:40

sometimes it did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That

1:01:42

the number of days since

1:01:44

recent one plus, you know We had a sign. We had a sign number. It's

1:01:46

been it's been three weeks. 607

1:01:49

plus marketing escrow. at this

1:01:51

point, it's years. I don't even know the last 607. It's been years. It's

1:01:53

a yeah. I'm just I mean, honestly, I think it might have

1:01:55

been Carl Payne. I think he might have been the mistrip maker

1:01:58

there. Oh, so we should reignite

1:01:59

this with nothing once it starts to

1:02:02

enable 607. So Yeah.

1:02:04

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but android. Get on

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You know what? We're gonna get on the

1:03:40

apps segment. App Train. The

1:03:42

App Train. Let's get on it.

1:03:45

Right now. Whoa.

1:03:48

Whoa. Whoa. If we ever

1:03:50

re if if Jeff

1:03:52

Cossnicki ever wants to redo these

1:03:54

bumpers. I would would be in

1:03:56

one hundred percent my good friend, Jeff

1:03:58

Kosnicki, by the way. I would be in

1:03:59

one hundred support a hundred percent support of

1:04:02

the app train becoming

1:04:04

the new segment title for this. Because Lord knows

1:04:06

we are on the app train and first diving

1:04:08

into Google Wallet, the much,

1:04:10

you know, we love to make fun of

1:04:12

Google Wallet. But so

1:04:14

Google wallet

1:04:15

Google wallet the Google wallet beta in

1:04:18

certain states in the

1:04:20

United States are

1:04:20

gonna allow users to start testing digital

1:04:22

IDs, which basically means

1:04:24

digital 607 licenses and state

1:04:28

IDs. This is crazy. Oh. First announced back in May

1:04:30

and one of the key reasons for the redesign

1:04:32

and renaming

1:04:34

of wallet. 607 speculating

1:04:36

months ago about why did they change it? Here

1:04:38

it is. The

1:04:38

update is rolling out with

1:04:41

Google Play Services version forty

1:04:43

eight dot twenty two. for December according to

1:04:45

the changeling posted on the Google

1:04:47

system update support page. This is

1:04:49

likely the foundational work

1:04:52

that we that will be tapped into

1:04:54

at some point when wallet is updated to support it.

1:04:56

It's

1:04:56

pretty wild. 607. You see

1:04:58

first now, man. You

1:05:02

see your driver's license in Apple Wallet on the

1:05:04

iOS side? There are there are states that are

1:05:06

now rolling it out as a pilot program, so I'm

1:05:08

really glad to see Google finally making

1:05:10

some noise about this. because -- Yeah.

1:05:12

-- I don't want one company to be

1:05:15

able to 607 a charge of digital wallet.

1:05:17

Yeah. It's this is something where we

1:05:19

need companies of fighting this out to create a

1:05:21

standard that no one organization

1:05:24

can control.

1:05:26

Yep. Like RCS. What? I'm sorry. Yeah.

1:05:28

So yeah. So it's neat.

1:05:30

I'll I'll load my driver's license in 607 New

1:05:32

York's one of the participating states. Hopefully, they

1:05:36

are. Sure. I'll do that too. My

1:05:37

my my my please

1:05:39

is still, like, this is definitely gonna

1:05:41

be a thing that 607. we're

1:05:44

we're gonna start turning to our pocket computers to take care of all of

1:05:46

this stuff. People who watch and

1:05:48

listen to podcasts like this please

1:05:51

sit down with your family and friends and

1:05:53

start preparing them now for better

1:05:56

device security, locking their

1:05:58

phones down, understanding, like,

1:05:59

the ramifications, we have -- Yeah. --

1:06:02

sort of law enforcement across the country

1:06:04

that I'm not sure will always respect

1:06:06

those rules between what is

1:06:08

a pin, what is a password, what's a

1:06:10

face unlock, what's a biometric security

1:06:12

lock, unreasonable search and

1:06:14

seizure. There are going to be a lot of these conversations

1:06:16

that we have to struggle through

1:06:18

as

1:06:18

the technology races forward. So now would be a

1:06:20

good time just to start planting some

1:06:23

of those seeds. 607 just

1:06:26

having those conversations, making sure people are using good 607. I

1:06:28

mean, just best practices and

1:06:30

reinforcing that and helping people

1:06:32

kinda 607 button their data

1:06:36

down. Yeah. Actually,

1:06:36

in Colorado, there's already a my Colorado

1:06:38

app where you can get digital versions

1:06:41

of your state ID. and

1:06:43

your vaccine card already. So it's

1:06:45

already here. The app is

1:06:48

pretty good but not

1:06:50

great. But, yes, that

1:06:52

is very And and for the reason that Juan just mentioned

1:06:53

it is important then to kinda be careful with it. That

1:06:55

is it is a it is your

1:06:57

state ID. I looked at

1:07:00

It basically all the information that would be on your driver's license, if you had driver's license

1:07:02

or non driver's license date ID. And,

1:07:04

yeah, obviously, like, your vaccine record is your

1:07:05

medical 607, other things like that are sensitive

1:07:08

information. So Be

1:07:09

careful. And, you know,

1:07:12

state apps, you know, state governments, they

1:07:14

do their best, but, you

1:07:16

know, the app's okay.

1:07:17

Just okay. So Definitely.

1:07:21

Yeah. Same situation here in New York.

1:07:23

We have the we have the Excelsior wallet

1:07:25

that's mainly just for our, you

1:07:27

know, digital taxation, and it's fine. Like,

1:07:29

it's not great, but it's not awful. Like,

1:07:31

it's not you know, but I'm curious if

1:07:33

they expanded out and that and, you know, if they're laying

1:07:35

the groundwork for that, but I gotta admit, you

1:07:38

know, I love Google Wallet. I still I use it all

1:07:40

the time. I store all my stuff in there. It

1:07:42

does what I it does what I need

1:07:44

to do. So if this if this is adding another thing that it can do, then

1:07:46

that's great. So My my Google wallet

1:07:48

told me. Oh, sorry? 0II was

1:07:50

gonna say the convenience is definitely

1:07:52

a thing 607 we

1:07:54

had a mention in the chat, you know, we don't

1:07:56

have the social structure. Like, you

1:07:58

give your license

1:07:59

and registration to a

1:08:02

police officer. So now

1:08:04

are we training police officers on how to

1:08:06

appropriately handle smartphones

1:08:08

that have all of this data? But it

1:08:10

feels like, you know, it it's a worms.

1:08:13

Those conversations need to happen because Ron's point is

1:08:15

is spot on. I want it.

1:08:17

I want the convenience

1:08:19

of everything being controlled and optimized

1:08:21

and handled through the device that I kind of live my life out of. But we, as a

1:08:24

society, have not figured out

1:08:26

all of those little sticking points

1:08:28

for how

1:08:31

do we 607 do we deal

1:08:32

in the economy with all of our

1:08:34

data being on this device? And then

1:08:37

now all of our docs and all of our

1:08:39

personal records and all of our medical information. And all

1:08:41

of this, we've got to sort it out.

1:08:43

And it's gonna be sorted

1:08:45

out in real time while we're doing it.

1:08:47

the best place to start is right now, at least

1:08:49

getting your smartphone security sort

1:08:52

of strategy better

1:08:54

in

1:08:54

place. And, you know, way too many of your family

1:08:57

and friends who maybe aren't even

1:08:59

using like a swipe to

1:09:01

unlock the screen just here. They push the power

1:09:03

button and it's just all right there. Yeah.

1:09:05

So try to disavow them of that.

1:09:08

Try to dissuade them

1:09:10

that that's but that's an okay way to handle their

1:09:12

phone.

1:09:13

TWiT it's harder. But

1:09:15

it's lower. It's it's a really

1:09:17

good point. Like, Honestly, actually, that's the thing that I

1:09:19

dislike the most about my Colorado, and I haven't used

1:09:21

it since I think I got my bivalent booster,

1:09:24

is that it's still

1:09:24

a web app, and so I had to

1:09:26

log in and I couldn't log in.

1:09:28

Like

1:09:28

-- No. -- and so what what is

1:09:31

the, you know, what is the legal ramifications of? I'm sorry, officer. I I can't

1:09:33

log in to show

1:09:35

you my license I don't have

1:09:37

my paper, like slash plastic license anymore. What are what are the contingencies for that? Because that's

1:09:39

I mean, you know, on my

1:09:43

I

1:09:43

don't know. Like, on

1:09:45

my, you know, Spotify or music listening app. It's okay if I can't log in and it kinda sucks. But, you know, when you're

1:09:48

situation that 607 need

1:09:51

607 identify information, and

1:09:53

the surface fails. What are you supposed to do? What are your options? You just like, hold

1:09:55

on. I'm gonna go walk over here and hope that the five

1:09:58

g is just slightly better over

1:09:59

here or

1:10:01

all, you

1:10:03

know, my caller dot com and be

1:10:05

607, yo, can you, like, fix the service,

1:10:07

like, right now?

1:10:07

it's a little bit of an important

1:10:09

situation. You know, like,

1:10:10

I mean, TWiT little Is it I know it sounds stupid, but that's actually, like, a

1:10:12

thing that would happen. This is technology

1:10:14

that's built by people, stuff like this

1:10:17

happened. So

1:10:17

I think that Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:19

The legal verifications you know,

1:10:21

are important. It's kinda just like the thing with, like, self driving cars. Like, all those

1:10:23

little, like, legal details and things like that, and that's

1:10:26

more of a that's more

1:10:28

of a heavy, you know, kind

1:10:30

of serious thing about liability and and, like, you know, AI and things like that. But it's always, like, little,

1:10:33

like,

1:10:36

decision make all these little decisions and all these little,

1:10:38

like, little scenarios that need to be ironed out that, you know, that need to be ironed

1:10:40

out. the

1:10:41

social conventions we just

1:10:43

totally take for granted. Oh, right.

1:10:45

Her phone is gonna disrupt all of them. Yeah.

1:10:47

No technology works perfectly one

1:10:50

hundred percent of the time.

1:10:53

you know what works. Usually, one hundred percent of the time is,

1:10:55

you know, what we're doing right now when

1:10:59

we carry our our ID with us

1:11:01

in our pocket and -- Yeah. -- you know, it it works all

1:11:03

the times that I'm able

1:11:05

to reach my hand into

1:11:08

my pocket. and pull out my

1:11:10

wallet or reach, you know, the hand into the purse to pull out, you know, whatever. Like, it's just is

1:11:13

a very different

1:11:16

different beast. you know,

1:11:18

know, as good as it'll ever be, there will always be a point zero zero percent, a one percent

1:11:20

chance of of something not working

1:11:22

the way it was intended to.

1:11:27

and, you know, over the amount of people

1:11:29

that we have in this in this country,

1:11:31

just using this country

1:11:33

as the example, that's not a small number even

1:11:35

if it's that. So yeah.

1:11:38

Interesting stuff. Well, check this

1:11:40

out. Tell me if you've

1:11:43

heard this before. iMessage on Android.

1:11:45

Here we go again. Here

1:11:47

we go again. 607

1:11:53

the sound of my eye

1:11:55

rolling. Well, there's a company called Sunbird that thinks

1:11:58

they have a method isn't

1:12:02

awkward. It's not cumbersome like some of the solutions that we've talked about in this show many times in the past.

1:12:08

They claim Set up a

1:12:10

iMessage and sunbird only requires one, an android phone and two,

1:12:13

sixty seconds of

1:12:16

your time. no Apple device, no

1:12:18

desktop software to act as a conduit for all this stuff, which has largely been what other solutions

1:12:20

have 607. You

1:12:23

know, you set up a

1:12:25

spare iPhone to relay messages from iMessage or your

1:12:27

Mac, you know, is always on

1:12:29

at home relaying messages, that

1:12:31

sort of thing. Sunbird

1:12:34

is not really telling

1:12:36

yet exactly how this is

1:12:39

done in the beta --

1:12:41

Yeah. -- better. That's why users can

1:12:43

sign up for the beta, of course.

1:12:46

To get started, I signed

1:12:48

up. I'm only number thirty

1:12:50

six thousand one hundred 607. So

1:12:52

there's That's good. The solution assures

1:12:54

that their solution does not store credentials

1:12:56

or act as a relay

1:12:58

service. Therefore, they claim that to

1:13:01

store no user data at on be

1:13:04

free 607.

1:13:08

no immediate plans to monetize. They'll they'll evaluate later.

1:13:10

So that's a little weird. 607 like, hey, everybody get

1:13:12

to use this and then somewhere

1:13:14

down the line. It's like, oh,

1:13:17

Alright. It's time to pay up. But, hey, that's

1:13:19

just another another business approach to business, I

1:13:24

suppose. So how do we

1:13:26

feel about this totally seemingly impossible ish

1:13:28

promise that Sunbird is making

1:13:30

here? We have no information other

1:13:34

than the fact that they say, it's nothing

1:13:36

like the the solutions that have

1:13:38

been done in the past. Like, the question

1:13:41

I have is well, is it

1:13:43

legal? Because any of this sounds, like, not not legal to me. But what do you all think?

1:13:49

No. I'm I'm big nope

1:13:51

until I know how it works and what you're

1:13:53

doing. My my Apple credentials and because exactly

1:13:55

what you're saying, 607

1:13:59

feels like I'm technically violating Apple's

1:14:02

end user licensing

1:14:04

agreement. Yeah. 607 if

1:14:07

I'm engaging with third party

1:14:09

entity that is now taking my login and my Apple account to

1:14:12

then communicate on

1:14:15

Apple's iMessage servers. And

1:14:18

there are just too many unknowns for me. I'm

1:14:21

gonna sit back. I'm fascinated to sit back

1:14:23

and watch this, but I'm

1:14:25

I'm not jumping in until we know

1:14:27

because then and then as soon as we know, there's nothing to stop

1:14:29

Apple from saying, well, now we're

1:14:31

changing one API or

1:14:33

some server protocol or some communication standard

1:14:36

that's just gonna pull the plug on all of

1:14:38

this. And and it's not like we haven't seen

1:14:40

Apple be that kind of directly

1:14:41

punitive to other developers. Especially with something as valuable to

1:14:43

them as I miss. 607 I

1:14:48

miss it. Yeah. Yeah. It it would be

1:14:50

really funny if they were just, like, spoofing the client that, you mean, like, like, just literally, like, a

1:14:54

string that says, oh, I'm an You what I Like because usually when you send,

1:14:57

like, request across the app and, like, election

1:14:59

deal. It's just it's just an app

1:15:01

with a mustache and it's

1:15:03

like, oh, my phone. Yes.

1:15:05

My name is

1:15:07

Sunco.

1:15:07

Let me give

1:15:11

you my messages. a it's

1:15:13

a it's a blue mustache

1:15:15

too. Definitely not a green 607. Hello.

1:15:19

My name is 607 couple

1:15:22

device. Oh. That's sounds great. Oh. I love that. That would be really funny though. If they if someone found a

1:15:24

loophole like that, you just, like, change a text string and then

1:15:26

just, like, hey. I have a message where it's I

1:15:29

I doubt that that's how that works, but it would

1:15:32

be funny if it was.

1:15:33

All we're doing with the app is

1:15:35

emulating iOS from the

1:15:37

ground up. That's all

1:15:40

we're doing. running eye message 607 a wind

1:15:42

that's single. Right? That's that's fine. Right? I I guess

1:15:44

when when that changing a string

1:15:46

reminds me of back in the day, we

1:15:49

used to be able to edit the

1:15:52

executable of -- Mhmm. -- PC games

1:15:54

with Norton Utilities and change values and the

1:15:57

x code to give you, like, a

1:15:59

little while. Those were days. were the Those the Those 607

1:16:04

say, vials. and stuff. Yeah. It's a good listening. 607 have

1:16:06

no idea what I'm talking about. But, man, we can we got into the hex code, and we we were able

1:16:10

to Yeah. That was, like, imagine it, Dan. Yeah. It was it

1:16:12

was really cool. 607 was

1:16:15

amazing. Love it. Alright. When you

1:16:17

got the last one. Well well, how

1:16:19

about

1:16:19

we talk about some

1:16:21

pretty

1:16:21

sure that we're a legitimate apps, not to kind of, like, you

1:16:23

know, this on some just apps before we know. But let's talk about some

1:16:25

some definitely okay apps.

1:16:28

And 607

1:16:30

you know, Google Play has released or

1:16:32

actually lists the best Android apps

1:16:34

and games of twenty twenty two.

1:16:37

I thought this was really interesting

1:16:39

because 607 be in this post RONA world. I think we're

1:16:41

all thinking a lot more these

1:16:43

days about our mental

1:16:46

health, our physical health, taking

1:16:49

care of ourselves. I think the

1:16:51

world's kind of on fire figuratively and literally. And so a

1:16:54

lot of the best of twenty twenty two seemed

1:16:56

to be kind of like in the vein of,

1:16:58

you know, self care, like, you

1:17:00

know,

1:17:02

like, things that will help you kind of, you know, manage the stress of

1:17:05

day to

1:17:05

day life. But, I mean, the first one on the

1:17:07

list is best for

1:17:10

fun. Is pet star I had not heard of this.

1:17:11

So, like, so, like, I think the one that most of that for me

1:17:13

that is not kind of like what I just mentioned is, like, more like

1:17:16

a self care type I

1:17:18

have

1:17:18

is PetStar, where you can You

1:17:20

can

1:17:20

take video of your pet and then have

1:17:22

them lip synced to your song of choice, and I believe share that

1:17:27

video. for your pets, and so

1:17:30

that one for best of

1:17:32

fun. And

1:17:34

then, like, Yeah. The I would definitely they check out a lot of the other

1:17:36

apps were kind of innovative self care though, like,

1:17:39

the best for personal growth is something called

1:17:41

breath work, which is as amazing kind

1:17:43

of, like, breathing 607. There's

1:17:45

a lot of 607 workout

1:17:47

workout apps. The best in hidden something from

1:17:52

Strava. which already has a very successful app

1:17:54

for runners and bikers. I use it. My husband uses it. Recover athletics is more about

1:17:56

recovery where, you know, if you're, like, someone who

1:17:58

works out a 607, runs a

1:17:59

lot, like, run

1:18:02

or works out a lot like

1:18:03

myself, you need to recover. So

1:18:05

there's, like, an app that provides free

1:18:08

workouts. Best app for good

1:18:10

was really interesting, which is called

1:18:12

the stigma app. I'm not crazy about

1:18:14

the name, but a lot of times these days we talk about the stigma of mental

1:18:17

health and

1:18:20

mental illness, The stigma app actually is a

1:18:22

way for people to share their

1:18:23

mental illness and mental health stories and try to remove the stigma

1:18:26

of mental health. I'm

1:18:28

I totally get TWiT. I love the app. I'm

1:18:30

not sure about the name. But, you know, again, kind of in the vein of, like, trying to, you

1:18:33

know, help us as

1:18:35

people and as humans

1:18:36

you know, kind of deal

1:18:38

with the big and the heart struggle the big and the small struggles. Yeah. And if

1:18:42

in

1:18:43

the everyday essentials, category.

1:18:45

If you 607 a plant parent like me, you now have a plant parent app, and I absolutely love

1:18:47

this. There is an

1:18:50

app that lets you kind

1:18:53

of help your plants maybe not die. It's an app that

1:18:55

lets you do MI based identification of plants, which is

1:18:57

like a total thing. And it's like,

1:18:59

there's a total like,

1:19:02

every time you go and read it, half the time you go to a plan, subret

1:19:04

it, there's, like, ID, please, and someone host a picture

1:19:06

of their plan because they have no idea what they

1:19:09

just bought at Home Depot. They just wanna know, like, how to

1:19:11

take care of it. So If there literally an app for you

1:19:13

now and kind of other things in

1:19:15

this category. You're also 607,

1:19:18

you

1:19:18

know, waking up stuff, your daily 607, your sleep tracker, all kind of

1:19:20

again, all these digital wellness things.

1:19:22

And they also had categories for

1:19:25

best wear, best app for tablets and best Chromebook

1:19:28

apps. Best app for wear

1:19:30

was unsurprisingly to doist. We've

1:19:32

talked about to doist quite a

1:19:34

bit they -- No worries.

1:19:35

-- the only it's the only app for

1:19:37

where app for sorry. It's

1:19:39

the only app.

1:19:40

And again, we've talked about how to do

1:19:42

is after they did a redesign using wear

1:19:44

for or compose, drink

1:19:46

for wear, they they experience

1:19:48

a fifty percent increase in installs.

1:19:50

Well, Related to that, they are now the app of

1:19:52

the year for Wear OS. And also

1:19:55

it's just a really

1:19:56

great, you know, get things done

1:19:59

app. Best for tablets is an app

1:19:59

that we have mentioned before, not necessarily any

1:20:02

of the news, but I know like

1:20:03

Jason mentioned 607

1:20:05

used pocket and I used pocket as well.

1:20:07

also a very good friend that works at bridging. Congratulations on best for tablets.

1:20:09

But, yeah, if you need to store

1:20:12

stuff 607 just

1:20:14

this information, links, or

1:20:16

whatever, Pocket's really 607 for TWiT. And

1:20:18

607, it works well on tablets. And finally, best for Chromebooks is Band Lab, which Oh,

1:20:21

Band Lab's fun.

1:20:22

Band Lab.

1:20:23

Yeah. It TWiT kind of

1:20:26

gives 607, like I mean, I haven't

1:20:28

used band

1:20:28

cam in a long time, but it it kinda gives me

1:20:30

those vibes, like, very nice interface for recording.

1:20:34

Yeah.

1:20:34

It's it's a lot like a band camp

1:20:36

actually, but just like in the cloud. Yeah.

1:20:38

It's really cool. Yeah.

1:20:39

It even has a looper and

1:20:41

things like that. So yeah. The

1:20:43

Not the band cam. Not the not the

1:20:45

band cam. The hosting platform, the band cam.

1:20:47

The No. Sorry. Band cam is the

1:20:49

MAC cam. Yeah. That's right. Right. Yeah. Right.

1:20:51

Audio software. Yeah. So there's

1:20:52

a lot of great apps. A lot of stuff

1:20:54

that I have never -- -- garage band.

1:20:56

-- garage band. Not garage band. Yeah. I

1:20:58

was I was like, I said, oh, this Sunday, I was like,

1:21:01

wait a minute. Wait a minute. No. I

1:21:03

Banc Yeah. Banc campus. Sorry. Mirage

1:21:05

then. You know what I was talking

1:21:07

about, but we just had a feeling it

1:21:09

was garaged bad, but I didn't want I wasn't sure that there wasn't another one

1:21:11

called back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And back

1:21:14

in my head,

1:21:15

my a garageband. Yeah. So it's it's it's reminiscent of a garageband in

1:21:17

UI. I haven't used garageband in, like, fifteen

1:21:19

years. But yeah. Yeah. I I

1:21:21

find it interesting to me. I still

1:21:23

have best for Chromebooks. just because,

1:21:25

anyway, Chromebooks -- Oh. -- 607. But, hey, there's

1:21:27

a great app for it 607 you

1:21:30

happen to still have a Chromebook

1:21:32

around. But, yeah, I

1:21:34

would definitely check out the list. There's a lot of

1:21:36

really interesting stuff. And, again, like, a a big heavy focus on digital

1:21:38

and actual well-being. So a lot of good stuff this year.

1:21:42

in the best of twenty twenty two.

1:21:44

Alright. Well, that's a good

1:21:46

set of apps. Good games and

1:21:48

apps in twenty twenty two. Go check it

1:21:50

out on Google Play, get the whole list that

1:21:52

you have on yourself. But for now, we're gonna turn

1:21:54

to a good friend JR for his latest Android Intelligence tip.

1:21:58

And

1:21:59

I gotta hit for you. If you like

1:21:59

sharing and dropping things, you're gonna like this

1:22:02

tip. So JR, why don't you let you

1:22:04

tell us

1:22:06

what give us some learning. Hey. Alright. So

1:22:07

last week, we talked about some 607

1:22:09

out tools for simple sharing

1:22:11

of text between your phone

1:22:13

and whatever kind of

1:22:15

computer you're using. Today, as promised,

1:22:17

I 607 keep that same theme going. I wanna introduce you to a really

1:22:19

awesome little app that'll help you

1:22:22

move any kind of

1:22:24

file from your

1:22:26

phone to a computer or vice

1:22:28

versa in a way 607 simple, easy,

1:22:30

and secure. So again,

1:22:31

remember for context, Yes,

1:22:33

Google does have its own native system for handling this sort of stuff now. It's

1:22:35

called nearby share. You've probably seen

1:22:37

it on your phone at

1:22:40

some point. But

1:22:42

the issue there is that it's

1:22:44

available only on Android and Chrome OS, at least for

1:22:46

now. So sure. If you've got multiple Android devices or

1:22:50

an Android phone in a Chromebook. Hey, easy enough. Use

1:22:52

Nearby Share, you're all set. But if

1:22:55

you're using Android alongside a

1:22:57

Windows Linux or Mac computer or Even

1:22:59

dare I say an iOS device, well, nearby share

1:23:01

isn't gonna do you a lick

1:23:04

of good. So

1:23:07

allow me to introduce you to a brilliant

1:23:09

little tool called Sharedrop. Sharedrop.

1:23:11

It's basically just a website you pull

1:23:13

it up in your browser on any

1:23:15

device you're using. What happens is

1:23:17

your device gets assigned its own random, unique name, and avatar. When any

1:23:19

other device on the same

1:23:22

WiFi network opens the site,

1:23:25

You'll see its name and avatar pop up right there on the page.

1:23:27

You can then click on any device to send a file. Let's wait. You can even just drag

1:23:29

and drop a file directly onto it

1:23:31

if you're on the 607

1:23:34

side of things and want an even faster way to

1:23:37

get a transfer going. Either way,

1:23:39

once the other device accepts the

1:23:41

transfer, that's file sent and

1:23:43

you are all done. Now here's where

1:23:45

it gets really cool. Share drop also makes it super

1:23:47

easy to send files between devices on two

1:23:52

different networks. or even into completely different

1:23:54

physical locations. All you gotta do there is hit the little plus icon in the sides

1:23:58

upper right corner That'll create a special link you can

1:23:59

share with any other device to

1:24:02

establish a direct connection and then

1:24:04

transfer files back and forth without any

1:24:06

real effort, just like in the other

1:24:08

scenario. Now a

1:24:10

couple important footnotes to this. First, everything

1:24:12

you transfer with share drop is sent securely

1:24:14

or an encrypted peer to peer connection.

1:24:18

That means share drop itself doesn't ever see

1:24:20

any of your stuff, and nothing you

1:24:22

send has ever stored on any remote

1:24:25

servers or anything like that. And since the whole

1:24:27

thing is open source, you can actually even poke through

1:24:29

the code yourself if you're so inclined

1:24:32

just to confirm that it's

1:24:34

doing exactly what it says. It'll do. I

1:24:36

TWiT off added assurance from that, and

1:24:38

share drops completely free to use. Those developer does accept

1:24:40

donations to help cover the cost

1:24:42

of keeping the service up and running.

1:24:45

All

1:24:45

you gotta do to try it out is

1:24:47

head over to its website at share drop. io. We'll drop a

1:24:49

link into this week's show

1:24:50

notes too to make it especially easy for you to find.

1:24:53

607

1:24:54

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1:25:16

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1:25:18

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1:25:20

will, like you always do.

1:25:21

Thank you JR. Share drop. I

1:25:24

hadn't heard the share drop

1:25:26

share drop dot i o. Right? share drop.

1:25:28

What a handy tip? He's full. Mhmm. Full

1:25:30

of the tips. So many. He's so

1:25:34

full of it. and so full of things.

1:25:36

It being tips. See. Are we not doing

1:25:38

phrasing anymore? Is 607 just stop the Look.

1:25:44

I just had to define what it

1:25:46

is. And by it, I mean the 607. That's that's what I'm talking about.

1:25:48

Yeah. Cool interface.

1:25:51

You made it worse. Just

1:25:53

digging the hole deeper. Alright. Hey, I've

1:25:55

got a great idea. Why

1:25:57

don't we talk about

1:25:59

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1:26:02

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1:28:01

the first emails from Juan in Colombia. Juan says, the past

1:28:03

episodes, there was a

1:28:07

debacle, a debacle. of photo

1:28:09

storing services like Amazon's or Googles, I'm here to offer a third

1:28:12

option some people might

1:28:14

already have access to. It's

1:28:16

Microsoft's OneDrive.

1:28:19

Most folks already have either a home

1:28:21

or work account with Microsoft three

1:28:23

sixty 607, formerly Office

1:28:25

three sixty five. which gives them

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one terabyte or even more depending on what

1:28:29

your plan what plan your company has

1:28:31

of storage for

1:28:33

each user. or a total of six

1:28:36

terabytes for family accounts. That's a

1:28:38

lot of cloud storage. This seems

1:28:40

more than enough for something either

1:28:42

you or your company are already paying for. It has an app

1:28:44

for Windows Mac, Android, iOS,

1:28:46

it's accessible via the web.

1:28:49

The only thing missing is a

1:28:51

photo only app instead of seeing all your files in the app. Yeah. And

1:28:53

I guess that is kind of the big

1:28:55

difference between what we

1:28:57

were talking about. Right?

1:29:00

Google photos total photo interface, same with Amazon photos.

1:29:02

This is more like a I mean, I haven't I haven't

1:29:05

worked with TWiT, but based on what

1:29:07

WAN is describing more kind of like files accessed in the cloud. I wonder

1:29:10

how they, you know, how they add a

1:29:12

little bit of, like,

1:29:14

a visual, like, visibility around

1:29:17

the photos and everything that you have stored

1:29:19

up there. Probably don't have some of those, I'm guessing, some of those advanced features AI integrated search

1:29:22

and stuff, maybe they

1:29:24

do. 607 anyways,

1:29:27

that's a great recommendation. If you have

1:29:29

that, I'll I'll chime in as

1:29:31

someone who uses Office three

1:29:33

sixty five at my day job

1:29:35

I wouldn't wish one on anybody. No. Boy. Okay. The

1:29:38

counter. The counter. The counter. The

1:29:41

607 607. No. Exactly. Juan

1:29:43

from Southern California 607 out to

1:29:46

Juan from Columbia. No.

1:29:48

607. I'm I've

1:29:50

I've really kinda liked my Microsoft three sixty five account

1:29:53

and the OneDrive buckets. It's

1:29:55

a terabyte of

1:29:58

storage. It's Yeah. It's been great. We

1:29:59

set up 607 flex on our own little private

1:30:02

cloud storage that we can share with family and

1:30:04

friends 607 we've got, like,

1:30:06

I wanna

1:30:06

say 607 almost four hundred gig

1:30:08

of photos and videos for family to check

1:30:10

out what she's up to. So it's been

1:30:12

it's been working pretty well. In Nice. In

1:30:15

all joking aside, I'm I'm I I

1:30:17

was more kidding than that. If if you

1:30:19

already have a Microsoft account -- Right. --

1:30:21

it's another like, going back to the

1:30:23

Amazon Because first, because we needed office. And

1:30:25

and Right. Yeah. And then and there's, like, oh, wow. Look on its own. Yeah. Look

1:30:27

what I've got that comes with it. How

1:30:29

can I utilize it? Yeah.

1:30:32

For sure. Totally. So I was I

1:30:34

was just now a little star

1:30:36

key because Microsoft One one funny thing is we might

1:30:38

potentially see some difference. So I've got, like, the 607

1:30:40

Duo to

1:30:42

here and the Photos app is basically just

1:30:44

a shortcut to the Photos

1:30:47

page

1:30:47

on OneDrive. So it

1:30:49

kinda works like Google Photos

1:30:51

where it's it's looking through all of your cloud photos and then you

1:30:53

go to the folders that are actually on your

1:30:55

phone for the local

1:30:58

device storage. So it's not to say that we might never see

1:31:00

a dedicated photos app. It's

1:31:02

just it only currently exists

1:31:05

in a halfway fashion

1:31:07

on the surface and the surface

1:31:10

too. Yeah. Right. Well, thank you, Juan's. Both of you. Very

1:31:16

welcome. Alright. And from

1:31:18

Juan to Wynn. Oh. Oh. That was good segue. Yeah. Thank

1:31:21

you. Thank

1:31:24

you. Sorry. Well,

1:31:26

we next have some feedback from

1:31:29

Jonathan Fumbermont. To add on

1:31:31

the USB c hub discussion and

1:31:33

the Chromecast with Google TV, I have

1:31:35

three set of like this add

1:31:37

on hubs TWiT network adapters and add on storage. You have to be careful

1:31:39

about which hubs you buy because

1:31:42

not all hubs handle power delivery.

1:31:44

607,

1:31:46

my goodness. Yes. Also, you

1:31:48

cannot use the provided cord and power

1:31:50

supply because it will not provide enough

1:31:52

power. I believe the provided one

1:31:55

only provides twenty eight watts. you need at

1:31:57

least forty five watts. So depending on

1:31:58

your situation, you might have to buy another power supply and

1:32:04

possibly cable to

1:32:04

handle the power needed. Furthermore, not all apps

1:32:06

can be moved

1:32:06

to the USB storage even if you add it

1:32:09

as main storage to

1:32:10

device and not as portable storage.

1:32:14

depending on the price of your hub and possibly

1:32:16

if you have to buy another power supply

1:32:18

and cable, you're starting to encroach on

1:32:20

the

1:32:20

price of the entry level Nvidia Shield

1:32:23

TV which is what I probably should have done in the 607. That's my two

1:32:25

cents.

1:32:25

That's a good expert tip right there.

1:32:27

Oh my goodness. Yes. Power delivery. I

1:32:29

get I get caught up

1:32:30

on that a lot. So

1:32:32

Yes, Jonathan. Yes. Yes.

1:32:34

Yeah. That's really that's really valuable

1:32:37

information. 607 we

1:32:40

had that had

1:32:41

spoke to

1:32:42