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Hey everyone , welcome to All About the Joy . We're a little bit early

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. We're live . Cynthia and I went on live

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quick . Who said hi ? Is that ?

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That was Alma .

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Oh , hi Alma , Hi Alma .

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She said hey .

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Hey . So

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we were getting in the depths of a conversation and

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I was like let's just go on , because , see , this is

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the juicy stuff . So

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, Cynthia was just giving me an update on

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what happened last week with her patient . Cynthia

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was just giving me an update on what happened last week

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with her patient . The

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doctor came and apologized to her for a patient's behavior and I was asking but why did the

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doctor ? It's not the doctor's fault . So , Cynthia

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was going on to tell the rest of the story

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. Go ahead , Cynthia .

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So the doctor sent me an email apologizing

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, you know , just asking if there was anything that she

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could have done or said to make the situation

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better , Because she felt bad for me . She

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, you know , she saw how upset I was and how

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the patient was treating me and I just told her you

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know , people are having an off day . It's no one's fault , you

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know . It is what it is . We deal with it

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and move on .

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So that's empathy , that's

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just empathy , that that's nothing else . You

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know when , when you have , when you have concern

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for someone , if you're a good person or a kind

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person , it's nothing . It's not that they did

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anything wrong , but they felt bad that you had to enjoy

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that situation and there's nothing wrong with that . I think that's great

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yeah hey , rick

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, we're live .

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We're live already . You

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know what let me give a shout out to uh tony

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, because it's totally the reason why we've come up with this

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. All about the joy thing and it's so

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funny on that clip . Did you guys check out the clip ?

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Yes .

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So funny I was cracking up . We

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didn't even rehearse , it was so good Speaking

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of Tony and . Tony Speaking of .

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Tony , how are you ?

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doing , but that's kind of part of our whole logo

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and our thing now . So so

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Cynthia was just giving an update on what happened last

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week with one of her patients and her doctor turned

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around and apologized . We were just

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going through that kind of thing where I was kind of asking

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why would the doctor apologize for the

1:54

patient's behavior ? And Mario

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, of course , is like empathy

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bitch . I didn't say

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that , but yeah empathy

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, yeah , but Rick , how are you doing

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Good good ?

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good , just as always , busy , busy , busy .

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Busy , busy , busy Mario . How ?

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are you ?

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I didn't check in with you when you came on .

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I'm doing really well . Can't just counting down

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the days getting stressed out for this kid ?

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Wait , what do you mean getting stressed out for this kid ?

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Because my kid's graduation , graduationations , everything's

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like . All the phone calls are coming in my

2:25

, my dad's getting ready to fly in . You

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know , it's just logistics . Now everybody's

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just calling me back to back . People are saying you

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know , they got , you know stuff in the mail . I'm like

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okay , yeah . They're like what are you doing

2:36

? What's next ?

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I'm like you know let's just , let's just tell

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everyone , especially people who are listening to the podcast um

2:41

in the future , that your daughter Marissa

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. I say Mauricia . Can

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we say it in Spanish like that ?

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No , Even if it's in Spanish , it's Marissa

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All right whatever . It's Marissa

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Luz .

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Marissa no , I'm just kidding , I'm

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just saying I knew her when she was in the belly and

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everything you did , you knew her before she knew herself

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.

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That's right , I knew her before she knew

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me .

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Oh , my God , I

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did not say that , I'm just kidding , I just . But

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she's graduating from Pepperdine .

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Yes , at 20

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years old . Come on now .

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That is just a blessing . Yes , are

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we snapping ? Is that what we're doing ?

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That's for the kids , that's what the kids do .

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Yay , yay , that's so cool

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, so well . Congratulations . That's a good thing to be

3:23

busy and crazed about .

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I'm just saying Today

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she had her sunset ceremony . So when the freshmen

3:37

come in , they have a sunrise ceremony as freshmen at Pepperdine , where they

3:39

go and watch the sunset as a class and it represents

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the beginning of their journey at Pepperdine . And now that they're seniors

3:44

, they're having their sunset ceremony where the sun is setting on their time

3:46

there and it's a beautiful thing and they sit and watch the sunset and they have this beautiful

3:48

ceremony at sunset . It's great .

3:48

So that is beautiful .

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Wow .

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Congratulations . I'm so happy for us . I

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feel like I had a part to do with it .

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Absolutely .

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Nothing at all , but and I

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can't believe I still haven't met her . I'm gonna have to meet her .

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Yeah , we'll talk about that later . Well , I do have

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you know .

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I feel like I know her , know her and I don't you know

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that's okay , but you do , but you don't I

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know I do , but I don't , okay , but here's the thing , here's

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what I want to talk about . So , mario

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, it's so funny because we , we , we're thinking

4:15

the same . You know what I mean ? We were thinking the same

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thing . All right , mario texts me

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and he's like I really want to talk about Beyonce , I really

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want to talk about this song , jolene

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, and I was like baby , of course , whatever you want

4:26

, and if you can come on , that'd be great . And

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you said you would come on , which I think makes it all flavorful

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. But before we start talking about it , I

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think we should show a little new video . Rick

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, you have it all queued up , right , let

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me just set this up . We're

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going gonna have a little conversation about it and we'll get to the

4:53

whole age oj thing later , because I think

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it's all kind of the same thing in a lot of different ways

4:58

. So , uh , trust me on that , all right

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. So let me just do this and we're gonna watch this video

5:02

, and I don't think mario or cynthia have seen this , not

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from me . I just had rick do this , uh

5:06

, late today , because I thought it was interesting okay

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so beyonce is in her country phase right now .

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Um , okay , um , I

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get it . You know this ain't texas , it ain't hold them . My kids

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just say that over and over and over and over and

5:20

over again . It's a nice start to a song , but the next

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version has a bit of Dolly Parton's Jolene in

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it . But apparently this is empowering . Has she actually

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read the words that she was singing ?

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Can I tell you something Like why do we have to

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? It's fine that they make a queen out of Beyonce

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. I don't totally understand why . I mean she's she's

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a good singer , she's talented , I don't deny

5:37

that . Why does it have to be yes

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, not a queen ? People like her music . She sings some

5:44

good music , that's it Okay

5:50

. She didn't cure cancer . She's not Marie Curie Calm down . So now she decides to take a step

5:52

into the country lane and it's like country music has been remade

5:54

. It's remade , is it Okay ? A

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new player in country music has been around for a long

5:59

, long time . It goes right to the heart of America and most

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Americans in red states have been loving and enjoying

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it long before Queen Bey decided

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to stick her big toe into the lane . But fine

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, okay , she comes over . She makes an album

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which , of course , because she's queen has

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gotten the thumbs up and the promotion from Michelle

6:15

Obama , from vice president Kamala

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Harris , from Paul McCartney

6:20

, from Dolly Parton herself she's

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no dummy . She called everybody and said I need you to do me

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this favor and say you love my album , which they did

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. But she takes Jolene , which is such

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a catchy song by Dolly Parton and

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Jolene the most interesting thing about

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that song , in addition to its catchy tune , is

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the story it tells . It tells a story of a very

6:38

insecure woman who sees another

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woman who she thinks and strongly believes

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is much more attractive than she is , with

6:45

her auburn hair and her green eyes . I love the auburn

6:47

hair line . And she knows yeah , well

6:49

, she knows Jolene can steal her man away . Now

6:51

, this doesn't say good things about her man , but she knows that it could

6:53

happen and instead of like going

6:55

over and threatening Jolene , what she does is

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begs Jolene not to take

6:59

her man away . She begs her saying I know

7:01

you could do it , but I'm begging you please don't , because

7:03

for me he's the only guy there is . And that's

7:06

an interesting window into an insecure woman's

7:08

heart , and it's also kind of

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clever because she flatters Jolene like

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it's a smart but insecure woman . Anyway , that's the

7:15

story of the song , or at least it

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used to be . Queen Bey got

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her hands on the song and God forbid , she sing

7:21

anything that make her look less than you know

7:23

, all empowered with the muscle , and

7:25

so now she's got to change it to . If you come

7:27

by , my man , I'm basically going to beat

7:29

the hell out of you .

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I'm going to beat you up Is that right Like

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take that biatch .

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And she uses the B word in the song and

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she turned . Jolene into her version

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of a badass , because that's what

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modern day feminism looks like . By

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the way , completely missing that , the true power

7:45

move is to write a song about Jolene , not

7:48

even worrying about this . Jolene has no worries

7:50

because her man loves her and is committed to her and

7:52

would never cheat on Jolene . So the most beautiful woman

7:54

in the world could come walking by . She's good , but

7:56

Queen Bey doesn't understand that . She's got to pretend

7:59

she's tough , which only telegraphs to those of us who are

8:01

paying attention that she isn't . The

8:03

whole thing is bass-ackwards and

8:05

I object .

8:06

Yeah , also . Look , you know

8:08

, if this current version , the

8:10

redoing , ain't doing it for you and the Dolly Parton

8:13

one is a little bit too old for you , can I play Dolly Locks

8:15

here for a second ? There's

8:18

a magnificent version that Miley Cyrus did . It's very sort of low-key and she's

8:20

kept on all of her clothes for most of it . It's

8:23

a good version of it if you get the chance .

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Okay , so I'm not going to say

8:28

a word , I'm just going to let Mario start . Where's

8:31

Rick , where's Rick , rick

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, rick . I'm sorry . I'm

8:36

sorry , I accidentally clicked you off with the thing

8:38

. I only clicked .

8:39

I'm going to say something real quick

8:41

.

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No , no , not real quick , go ahead . You got the flow , baby . No , we can't see it or hear it .

8:47

Oh , you can't hear it .

8:48

No , what are you listening to ? It's Dolly

8:50

P . You know that hussy with

8:52

the good hair you sing about , reminded me of

8:54

someone I knew back then , except she

8:56

has flaming locks of a open hair . Bless

8:58

her heart . Just

9:05

a hair of a different color . It hurts , just to say it . It's the album . Go ahead .

9:08

That was Dolly Parton herself on

9:11

the album Speaking to her

9:13

. She said hey , honey bee , this is Dolly

9:15

P . She said yes

9:17

. She said , basically , this

9:20

is her giving her kiss , her

9:22

seal of approval to the remake . And

9:24

then Beyonce

9:27

never called that woman a bitch . She said

9:29

I'm a bitch . She said

9:31

so , there's a difference . And then

9:33

, on top of it , when you

9:36

have somebody like Willie Nelson , who she didn't have to call

9:38

, he could have said no , dolly

9:40

Parton has been all over social media

9:42

giving

9:45

everything she wanted to Beyoncé

9:47

. Then , on top of that , dolly

9:50

Parton said back in 2022

9:52

that she wanted Beyoncé to remake

9:54

her song , so she asked for

9:56

this on top of so

9:59

miss me with that , all

10:01

that foolishness . And

10:03

then miss me with that idea

10:05

that country music came from red States

10:07

.

10:08

Let's , let's stop from there , for let's just stop for

10:10

just for a second . Okay , let me just say what hi

10:12

Sheila , hi Alma , alma just said she's empowered

10:14

and is in step with the time . The whole point is to

10:16

engage the younger generation , and Dolly P gave

10:19

her the go at it . I actually think this is

10:21

a much bigger conversation . I actually

10:23

don't think it's about approval from Dolly

10:25

Parton or changing the lyrics

10:27

a bit or whatever . First of all , I want to

10:30

say to Megan

10:32

what's her name , megan ?

10:33

Kelly , Megan Kelly , who got canceled on NBC . But

10:35

let's keep it moving .

10:36

It's okay . She has a right to her opinion . I'm going

10:38

to say this and then I want Cynthia and Rick to chime in before

10:41

I go off . Okay , here's

10:43

my thing about Megyn Kelly

10:45

and anyone else who is

10:47

in this kind of nasty

10:49

place where they're trying

10:51

to dismiss someone who created

10:53

a piece of art . It says

10:56

more about who you are than

10:58

it does anything at all about

11:00

Beyonce . Beyonce don't need no approval

11:02

from anybody . She

11:04

don't need approval from Dolly Parton , from Willie

11:06

Nelson , from anybody .

11:08

Paul McCartney .

11:09

Paul McCartney from anybody . And

11:11

let me just say this the idea

11:13

that Beyonce had to call them and ask

11:16

them to help her bullshit

11:18

. She called them probably

11:21

to be like hey , I'd love to do this , I'd love to collaborate

11:23

, blah , blah , blah . But this idea that Beyonce would

11:25

be begging for some approval is

11:28

a weird idea of what art

11:30

is Megyn Kelly ? What's

11:32

her name ? Megyn Kelly ? Megyn

11:35

Kelly , I mean , I saw that clip and I was going to send

11:37

it to you all and I thought nope , let's just play it on the

11:39

show . It's . I want people

11:41

to learn from this situation . You

11:44

can be a better person when you understand

11:46

nuance .

11:47

Yes .

11:47

These are not black and white . Things

11:50

are intricate . There is

11:52

a much bigger issue going on

11:54

than what Megan Kelly is

11:56

throwing out there to the public , which is

11:58

bullshit to get us all riled up

12:00

. She is so full of shit with

12:03

what she's talking about it's heart

12:05

wrenching to me to listen to and

12:07

that's why I played it . Hi Ash , how are you ? And

12:10

Ash , I want to say something to Ash

12:12

. Ash wrote on YouTube , on one

12:14

of our videos , that she's so glad that

12:16

we don't talk about race , and I told her today

12:18

do not come on here .

12:20

It's a race kind of day

12:22

.

12:23

So , cynthia and Rick , before I keep

12:25

going on , I'd love to get you guys to chime

12:27

in . Cynthia , I wonder what your thoughts are .

12:29

Oh yeah , she's definitely hating . First of all

12:31

, like from the back . She's hating

12:34

on Beyonce , whether she calls herself

12:36

a queen or not . Who is she to say that

12:38

she can't call herself a queen or that anybody else calls her a

12:40

queen ? She

12:46

is a queen in her own right . She has worked her ass off and dolly parton gave her . Okay

12:48

, I'm not a fan of this of the song jolene , but you

12:50

know that that's my choice , that's . You know , my

12:52

opinion . Everyone has the difference . That's not my favorite

12:55

song on the album either , by the way . Yeah , you know um

12:57

and she didn't even . this

13:00

megan person didn't even get it right , because

13:02

jolene is actually the person who's trying

13:04

to take the man , trying to take

13:06

Dolly Parton's man , and she was referring

13:09

to her as if she was the person who

13:11

had the man . So she couldn't even get her facts

13:13

straight .

13:15

This is all about hate , right ? It's all about yeah , yeah

13:17

, rick thoughts .

13:20

Well , my first impression was we are

13:22

taking up television time

13:24

to talk about what you feel about a song

13:26

. Ok , that's what we're doing , all right , like

13:29

you can't talk like that with your friends . You got to go on national

13:31

international TV to talk about a

13:33

song that you personally don't care about . Like

13:35

, if I came on and talked about everything I don't care about , we'd

13:38

be here forever . Like that's what we're doing with our valuable

13:40

time . I don't know . I listened

13:42

to the song , listen to the whole thing , actually the whole album

13:44

, um , and I was like , all right now jolene's , the only

13:46

one I know .

13:47

I know rick is really low rick , why are you so low

13:49

today ? And your mic I don't see if I could I

13:51

just , I tried to raise you over here , but

13:53

I think you're talking awfully go ahead .

13:55

Is this better ? I just jacked it up yeah , go ahead . I

13:57

think it's better go ahead , let's so um

13:59

jolene's , the only one I was familiar with

14:01

at all . So I was like all right , let's see what Beyonce does with it

14:03

. And I was like , okay

14:06

, it's all right , like if you're

14:08

going to do a song that's super popular , like that

14:10

, I'm like I'm expecting , like to

14:13

be wowed , and it was all

14:15

right . So I picked two songs that I did , like Texas

14:17

Hold'em and Most Wanted , which I think had Miley

14:19

Cyrus sound in it . Those were , those were the only two

14:21

that I was like , oh , I could kind of jam with this , but the rest

14:23

I was like well go

14:25

ahead . I was going to say Jolene , I was like

14:28

I was expecting more , not saying it was

14:30

bad , but just was expecting

14:32

more , especially because it's Beyonce . You know she has

14:34

a beautiful voice .

14:34

Yeah , ashley exactly , ashley , she

14:37

does the thing is , she

14:39

also remade Blackbird . I don't know if you

14:41

know . Blackbird is a very

14:43

poignant song which was written by Paul McCartney

14:46

and if you know the history

14:48

of the song , the history

14:50

of the song is based upon the Little Rock Nine

14:52

, who actually were the first

14:54

integrated kids in Arkansas . But

14:56

he was over in the UK seeing

14:59

all the hate and the racism that was going on

15:01

towards these kids and

15:03

he wrote a song about the Little Rock Nine and

15:05

that's really what that song is based upon . So

15:09

for him to again

15:11

, her rendition

15:13

is actually very beautiful because it's

15:16

a solemn song . It's not a upbeat song

15:18

. Blackbird is actually a very sad song and

15:22

it's country , but to

15:24

me it's's more folk . But folk and country can

15:26

interchange . But

15:29

I thought Herbendition

15:32

was done very well . And

15:34

then also she's taking this opportunity to

15:36

expose us to a lot of other

15:39

African American country artists that

15:41

I was not aware of , like Tanner

15:44

Bell one . Willie Jones was another one I was not aware of . Tanner Bell is one , willie

15:46

Jones was another one . I was not familiar with their music

15:48

but because I was able to listen to this and

15:50

say , okay , who is that ? I went and

15:52

Googled them and like , oh

15:54

, okay , I can get into it . Because

15:57

I personally am not a fan of country

15:59

music in general , because

16:01

it just- .

16:02

The twang , it's the twang , it's the twang and some people twang , it's

16:04

the twang .

16:05

And some people say country music is storytelling . Well , our

16:07

music is storytelling . Yes , everyone has

16:09

a story . It's just how it's delivered and depicted

16:11

and there's and I believe there's a

16:14

right way and a wrong way to deliver music . You

16:16

know , every other word doesn't have to be .

16:18

Wait , wait . Can I just intervene ? Let's that there's

16:20

a right and wrong way for you as an individual

16:22

. To receive it Right to receive it . Okay , let's

16:24

just be clear Because I love rap , so do

16:26

I . A lot of people can't handle rap because

16:28

they can't receive it . That's not their thing . I

16:30

feel the same way with you about country , but I just want to make sure that we

16:32

don't want to degrade art . No , no , no .

16:38

I'm not , yeah , I just . If you listen to this country

16:41

album , it's not really a

16:43

country album . And then Beyonce .

16:45

Didn't Beyonce say that it wasn't a country album

16:47

?

16:47

She said it's not a country album . She said it's a Beyonce

16:50

album . That's right . There

16:54

you go . But because all of this controversy

16:57

and all of this stemmed from when she went

16:59

on the Country Music Awards , the

17:01

CMAs , with the Chicks

17:03

and at the time the the chicks were blacklisted

17:07

and she brought them out and she performed with them and

17:09

people were all in an uproar

17:11

. People are walking out during our performance

17:13

and protest , you know , because wait but

17:15

, mario , let's talk about what that really is and look

17:17

at .

17:18

I understand that we don't normally talk about politics

17:20

and race on this show

17:22

and I talked about that in my latest podcast

17:24

, but there are going to be times when we need to talk

17:27

about it and as long as we do it respectfully and kindly

17:29

and respect , I'm okay

17:31

with it . But it's not our everyday thing . But why

17:33

do you believe that the

17:36

album that came out stemmed

17:38

from that performance ? On this

17:40

, I kept saying the CMTs , but the CMAs

17:43

what's your thought process on that

17:45

?

17:46

Well , that's layered . I

17:49

know there was some controversy with the chicks at

17:52

the time and they were an issue

17:54

within themselves , right . And then Beyonce

17:57

has been pigeonholed into a category of

18:00

an R&B singer or whatever , and

18:03

she's quote , unquote , not country . So

18:06

that was a second part

18:08

of this . I don't

18:10

want to say it's because she's a Black woman .

18:14

You know what and you know what I'm going to say it

18:16

. I'm going to say it .

18:17

So I am , I'm going to say

18:19

it , I'm sorry , well the only reason I'm trying

18:21

not to say that is because I don't want to be disrespectful

18:23

to the other Black artists who are country artists

18:25

. But here's the thing I wouldn't

18:27

, but I disagree with you .

18:29

Look it , and I'm not going to fight with you

18:31

.

18:31

No no .

18:32

Here's my feeling . I didn't even know Other than

18:34

Hootie and the Blowfish guy whose name I still don't

18:36

know .

18:36

Darius Rucker .

18:39

Darius Rucker , I black country person

18:42

except that Beyonce just turned around . Right

18:44

, but they're not so fantastical

18:47

that I know them .

18:48

No .

18:49

I don't know them . So why is that

18:52

? What is the layering of this

18:54

situation that we as a

18:56

public are just finding out

18:58

about some of these artists who happen to

19:00

be black ? And , by the

19:02

way , I didn't know until Beyonce's

19:05

album that country

19:07

music started in

19:09

the African-American community in

19:11

slavery times .

19:13

It came from Africa In .

19:15

Africa . It came over right the whole banjo

19:17

conversation . And

19:20

here's what I'm trying to say to white people and I'm

19:22

saying white people , I know , I know this is know . I know

19:24

this is painful . I know this is painful when

19:26

we are just learning new things , when

19:29

we are understanding and having the ability

19:31

to be smarter about

19:34

where things originated . We should

19:36

embrace that , not push it away

19:38

. This is a fact

19:41

, this is not hearsay , this is

19:43

not pretend . This is a fact , this is not hearsay , this is not pretend . And I

19:45

am angry that I keep

19:47

having to learn new things about

19:49

my country . I am angry

19:52

about you should be angry about it too . You

19:57

should be angry that you don't know this about country music .

19:59

Go ahead . I mean , it's country music

20:01

as a whole . It's just not my . It will

20:03

never probably be my favorite genre

20:05

, but I'm open to learning more about

20:07

it , only because of the of

20:10

the um , the artists that I'm discovering

20:13

through this , and it's

20:15

opened my eyes to the different forms

20:17

of country music .

20:19

It's not just I know , but just because people are black

20:21

and I have to like their music , wait , wait

20:23

, wait . But I'm just gonna say just because black people are

20:25

doing country music doesn't mean I have to like it . I had a

20:27

conversation with billy , my brother from another mother , and

20:30

he was like all up in arms about beyonce

20:32

, beyonce , this beyonce , that , and I was like lemonade

20:35

, like I'm a huge lemonade

20:37

fan . That's one of her albums . If you don't know , she's had

20:39

eight albums , okay , like full-on

20:42

amazing albums , and my

20:44

favorite is lemonade . And what I was saying to him , because

20:46

he's you were mad , weren't you ?

20:47

you had you said you was angry . You know

20:49

angry chick if you like

20:55

lemonade . You was mad , it was an angry album .

20:57

It was so good , it was so amazingly

20:59

done and it was so the the . The

21:01

thing about beyonce is she's so layered

21:05

, she's so intricate

21:07

in how she presents her

21:09

music . And I'm going to say this and piss a lot of people

21:11

off , but Prince is the

21:13

only other artist that I think can get

21:15

at my heart in the same way

21:17

that Beyonce , and Beyonce isn't one of my favorite artists

21:20

. I'm not a Beyonce-like crazy person

21:22

, but when I listen to Beyonce's entire

21:24

albums and I do because I respect her

21:26

I think she's amazing . I'm

21:28

shook by her ability to write and

21:31

sing and put together something and her

21:33

fashion . It's all of

21:35

it . She is a genius

21:38

artist .

21:39

Yeah .

21:40

And the idea that someone like Megan Kelly or

21:42

whatever Kelly , whatever the fuck her name is

21:45

can't call her a queen . Nobody's

21:47

calling her a motherfucking queen , like Beyonce isn't

21:49

walking around calling herself a motherfucking queen .

21:51

No , she doesn't .

21:51

We call people queens because we revere

21:54

them . Like that's the weird thing about the Megan

21:56

Kelly thing ? It's like girl , you

21:58

don't even get what queen means . Bitch

22:01

, why are you even talking about it ? You don't even get . It means bitch , why are you even talking

22:03

about it ? You don't even get it . It's not even a black thing

22:05

. You don't even get the honor in it . Bitch

22:07

, you don't get it

22:09

. What am I missing

22:11

in the laughter ? No , it's because you're

22:13

going hard . I'm

22:17

not even going off , okay , I'm

22:19

just saying I'm not a country

22:21

person , music fan at all

22:23

. I don't like the twang . Texas

22:26

Hold'em was interesting . I love this album because of the controversy

22:29

and the artistry and the brilliance

22:31

of it and the reasoning and the beauty of

22:33

it . Come on , that is something

22:36

. That is art , baby , that is art that

22:38

is beautiful .

22:38

Well , you know what we're talking about it . Art

22:41

is discussed Whether you like , like

22:43

, like Rick

22:46

likes Texas , hold' about it . And artists discussed whether you like , like , like rick likes texas , hold

22:48

them . And he likes uh , was it two most wanted , right , most fun ? Yeah , two most wanted , but see , those

22:50

are two songs that he hadn't , he wouldn't

22:52

have thought about liking before you understand what I'm saying

22:55

. So you know it's . It's still

22:57

exposing and , because we're having conversations , probably

22:59

you exposed yourself to something you probably wouldn't normally

23:01

listen to . Right , rick , right , right

23:04

, but it's also , art is

23:06

discussion . You can appreciate

23:08

it . Appreciation . It's agreeing , it's disagreeing

23:11

. It sparks conversation , it

23:13

sparks thought . That's the purpose of art

23:15

.

23:15

That's art , that's art . Let

23:17

me just say hi to Brian , hi , brian

23:19

, hey , brian Ghosttown's

23:25

album First , first , last time is really good .

23:26

What's ghost towns album I ?

23:27

don't know what that is . Ghost towns is the name of a group . Oh okay , I didn't know that . I'm sorry

23:29

, but hi , brian , thank you for stopping by and ash

23:31

love you . Yeah , right off the hop

23:33

she's come out rocking who she is exactly

23:35

. Yes , I love that . Cynthia rick

23:38

. I'm sorry we're in the mic , but please

23:40

, that's right .

23:41

I mean I listen to some country

23:43

. It's like it's not my go to music

23:46

, but I do appreciate it . I listen to

23:48

all kinds of music . My

23:50

Pandora has all kinds of music

23:52

. Like you said , carmen

23:54

, beyonce is not my top artist

23:57

, but I can appreciate her music

23:59

ok , wait , wait , wait .

24:00

I just want to be clear . I love Beyonce . I

24:03

do , too . I

24:07

love her . I love her as an

24:10

artist , as an art , I

24:12

revere her . I just want to be clear

24:14

. This album is not my favorite . I listened to it from

24:16

beginning to end and I enjoyed some of the songs

24:18

, but I'm a little . Not

24:22

for me , but it's white people

24:24

and country music . I'm laughing little . It's not a banger , but you know it's not for me , but but it's white people in country music I'm laughing my

24:26

ass off . I'm freaked out about it . Go

24:28

ahead , cynthia , I'm sorry .

24:30

The Texas hold them song just kind of reminds me of

24:32

another line dance song like the

24:34

cha-cha slide or , you know , the Cupid

24:36

shuffle .

24:37

That's all it reminds me of , yeah

24:40

rick uh , kind of

24:42

going along with what mario said . When you see

24:44

people going to a place

24:47

where they feature art , they don't just look

24:49

at it , they discuss , they talk

24:51

about it . This is what I see and this is what I . This makes

24:53

me feel this way . And art , that

24:55

is exactly right , what he says , exactly right . You discuss it

24:57

, you talk about it and you , your point of view

24:59

could be completely different . You see something I don't see

25:01

and I'm like I don't see , but they see that and you

25:04

can't say you're wrong . That's not what

25:06

you , you know . You see it differently , you have a different perspective

25:08

. So to say somebody's wrong is just ridiculous

25:11

.

25:11

Mario , what is your feeling ? I

25:13

mean , I know that you're nicer than I am , but

25:16

this whole queen conversation really

25:18

pissed me off .

25:21

I mean . Well , you know what , in music they give everybody

25:23

a title Prince was Prince . They

25:26

call Patti LaBelle the godmother of soul . They call

25:28

Aretha the no , but we use queen

25:31

pretty liberally . They call Aretha , frankly , the queen

25:33

of soul , right .

25:34

I don't know , but the word queen

25:36

is pretty usable

25:38

.

25:39

It's being revered as the top of something

25:41

. You understand what I'm saying . It's not that she

25:43

is a literal queen . She is at

25:45

the top of her game , okay , but can I

25:47

, can , I , can I Say it

25:49

, say it I'm going to say it .

25:51

The reason why Megyn Kelly is all

25:53

over all like you know

25:56

, her clutching her pearls and panties in a

25:58

bunch is a fucking

26:00

jealousy thing that I can't understand

26:02

. With white people Like white people

26:04

, like white women and I know , I know I'm a lose

26:06

followers and shit . It's all good , but

26:09

because I can't be who I'm not

26:11

, I can't do it . No , why

26:13

would you be so upset

26:16

and angry about somebody

26:18

being called a queen ? A queen is an

26:20

honor . It is something that

26:22

we bestow on somebody that we respect and

26:24

feel has done something brilliant

26:27

and amazing . And the fact that , man

26:29

, if I knew Megyn Kelly , I swear to God I would sit down

26:32

and have a conversation with her . Like bitch , you just

26:34

made yourself look so motherfucking stupid

26:36

.

26:36

But not to her base , I

26:38

know , but her base .

26:39

Okay , but here's the thing . Here's the thing I'm done

26:41

with her base , because her base is part

26:43

of my country and

26:50

I still have faith in the people in my country that they are good and

26:52

decent human beings and they understand nuance . They do . We keep thinking that these

26:54

people are stupid as fuck and that's why

26:56

Megan is doing what she's doing .

26:58

Brian , you're right . Calling anyone royal title

27:00

is just a sign of respect .

27:02

Brian exactly .

27:03

You get it .

27:05

He gets it . He's in Texas , he gets

27:07

it .

27:07

That's what you mean .

27:10

But that's what I'm saying . I'm so angry with

27:13

her for doing that , for doing that whole

27:15

video . Hey , Rick , can you put up that TikTok

27:17

? Do you have the TikToks as well ?

27:19

Oh , I can bring it up yeah , in the meantime , what

27:22

did they call Michael Jackson ?

27:28

I don't remember , but the king of pop , okay , but I think that's

27:30

a different thing . Okay , okay , no , no , no , no , no , no , no , no

27:32

. Let's be honest . Let's be honest . Calling

27:34

someone the king of pop is different

27:36

than we call people queen . What I felt

27:38

was happening with Megyn Kelly was she was

27:41

upset with the terminology of queen

27:43

. You know what I mean . Like that's what

27:45

I heard from that whole clip .

27:47

She was bothered by it , because we call queen .

27:50

We call different people queen at different times because it's

27:52

something they've done . That is an elevated state

27:55

.

27:55

Yeah .

27:56

It's a black thing . Yeah , it is

27:58

a black thing . And again

28:00

, it's not that I want to get into racism , but you

28:02

know what I don't want to do on my podcast

28:04

or who I am . I don't want to pretend

28:06

that things don't exist .

28:09

No , okay , let's turn

28:11

it on its head . What brought you joy

28:14

from the album ? We know what brought Rick

28:16

joy . What brought you joy ?

28:18

Okay , can I go first , you go first . Okay , no-transcript

28:51

was saying this whole kind of idea that she

28:54

didn't have no right to . She's not really

28:56

country , she ain't got no right to do this song

28:58

and blah blah . But in the same breath

29:01

, in the same interview , as being like oh

29:03

right , shania twain when she did that song

29:05

and popped out , was fine , right like

29:07

so my joy in this album is that

29:09

it's making us have the conversations and

29:12

I have faith I do . I have

29:14

faith in white people . I have faith in the american

29:16

people , and of white people specifically

29:18

during this time , to understand motherfucking

29:20

nuance and understand a history

29:23

, even if they're , at first , you

29:25

know , being defensive . Look at

29:27

Mario's diet . I know , I know I'm losing

29:30

people , but I also think I

29:32

have to be who .

29:32

I am Show , show , bang bang , you know .

29:36

We're about to put a Zoom call by ourselves . I'm

29:38

good , but

29:40

listen , I do . I have faith in people that

29:43

they understand the layers of

29:45

things . This is bullshit , come on .

29:47

Oh , come on , Alma , you better say it for the people in the back

29:49

. She said John Schneider , it was

29:51

okay when you're taking Tyler Perry's money , boom

29:53

, that's right , he was being paid by a

29:55

black man and it was all good .

29:57

But now , you know , that's right .

29:58

Go ahead .

29:59

Alma Say it for the people in the back , that's my wife Come

30:01

on .

30:03

That's my wife . What

30:05

brought me joy was basically you know that Dolly

30:08

Parton gave her a stamp of approval . You're

30:11

mixing black and white right there .

30:15

So , what is the ?

30:16

problem . That's it . And if Dolly Parton

30:18

gets it , I don't understand

30:20

why we don't have faith in the rest of

30:22

America to get it . You

30:24

know , let me read what Ashton said we should be encouraging

30:26

each other as they branch out and show their

30:28

range , not deterring people from wanting

30:31

to show their abilities . Exactly

30:33

Brian just said you'll be mind-blowing

30:36

when you see my music playlist . You won't be

30:38

able to keep up . Okay , Challenge

30:40

accepted . Yaya brings me joy

30:42

. I love Yaya .

30:43

That's why I'm here . Can I just tell you about Yaya ? I

30:45

heard that song and I felt like I was in church . I

30:48

was like I was going with it .

30:50

Hey Sweet Pea , Bye

30:53

, Sweet Pea . Love you , Rick

30:55

thoughts .

30:57

I told you already . I said the Texas Hold'em . I

30:59

can jam with that . And then the Miley Cyrus

31:01

one . What was it ? Two Most Wanted .

31:02

I wrote it down , so I don't forget , I love that one too . That's a good one

31:04

. Miley Cyrus is brilliant .

31:06

I love good harmony , yes

31:08

, and they harmonize together very , very well . And

31:10

I didn't know , I heard a different voice . I was like

31:13

I think I know that voice . I was like that's Miley Cyrus .

31:15

I think it's and

31:28

kind of this album in general and

31:30

how it's affecting people in the country

31:32

.

31:33

Genre well , I agree with you about

31:35

the whole . Sounds like she kind

31:37

of jealous . Oh , why

31:39

would you say that ? Like , why do you have a problem with calling somebody

31:41

queen ? Like you know , when

31:43

somebody excels at something , it's something that people

31:45

do , you know . Or if you're at an event and somebody's

31:47

like , yeah , it's queen , like where

31:49

they use that as well , but

31:51

um , but yeah , when somebody's excelling

31:54

at something , it's not unusual to call somebody a queen or

31:56

a king , like you know . So if you just go out

31:58

in the street and be like famous

32:00

female black singer , I

32:02

bet you more people are not gonna say beyonce no you

32:05

don't think so no

32:07

, do you guys ?

32:07

did you guys know ? I bet you , none of

32:09

us , me included , I didn't know who

32:11

linda martell was .

32:12

I don't know , know who Linda Martell is .

32:14

Linda Martell is the first Black woman ever

32:17

to play at the Grand Ole Opry .

32:20

Oh , I do know her name , you're right .

32:22

And if you listen to the album she's

32:24

in several of the interludes on

32:27

this Cowboy Cotter album and I was like who is Linda Martell

32:30

? And again went to go look her up and

32:33

mine was blown . I'm like , oh wow

32:35

, that's history right there . And

32:39

then the other thing is there's the interlude with Willie Nelson , which I

32:41

think is hilarious . Yes , it is great

32:43

he's playing the DJ . Yes , he

32:46

says . If there's one thing you can take away from

32:49

our set today , let it be this . Sometimes

32:54

you can take away from our set today , Let it be this . Sometimes you don't know what you like and then someone you trust turns you on to some real good

32:57

shit , and that , ladies and gentlemen , is

32:59

why I'm here . He said up next

33:01

on the Smoke Hour is Just For Fun .

33:04

Yes .

33:06

So I mean , like come on now , he said

33:08

sometimes you don't know until somebody introduces you

33:10

to it . And that's what she really kind of did

33:12

. That kind of summarized this

33:14

album for me . She really introduced me to a lot

33:16

of people I just would have never heard of

33:18

, and I think it's dope .

33:20

And can I say this this is again a little

33:22

bit on the negative , but I feel it in my heart

33:24

to share we revere

33:26

people when they die , and what I mean

33:28

by people is I mean Black people . So

33:32

people die , and what I mean by people is I mean black people . So people in the white community

33:35

are all about muhammad ali . Oh , muhammad ali is amazing , he's great , whatever

33:37

, but they forget . Cassius clay , who

33:39

became muhammad ali , was hated

33:41

because he wouldn't go into war

33:44

, he wouldn't be going to the military , and he was vilified

33:46

. We do the same thing with martin , and when I say

33:48

we , I'm talking about white people . Okay , like

33:51

like we not me y'all'all

33:53

hated Martin Luther King when he was alive and

33:55

I don't mean you personally , I mean white folk

33:57

hated him because of what he was doing . But

33:59

now that he's dead , we all up in

34:02

Martin Luther King Jr's business

34:04

. He was the savior of- .

34:06

But they really aren't that into him anyway

34:08

, because all they know is the I have a dream

34:10

speech .

34:10

They have no exactly

34:13

history of what that man persevered

34:15

and did , so let's exactly , exactly

34:18

, and I don't want to say all white people , but I'm trying

34:20

to give you information

34:22

right now , like what we need to do is

34:24

revere people while they are alive

34:27

and stop accidentally

34:29

because I think it's accidental . I don't think people

34:31

are trying to be racist on purpose

34:33

, but when you are vil , vilifying

34:36

Beyonce , I don't care if you don't like her music . You

34:38

don't need to like her music . You

34:41

don't need to respect or

34:43

even enjoy anything that she does . I

34:45

could care less about most country music

34:48

, but when you turn around and

34:50

are evil and you don't

34:52

see the nuance and you dismiss her

34:54

, that's when I have a problem . That's

34:57

when I have a problem . You cannot

34:59

turn around and say that she has no right

35:01

to be in country music without knowing the history of

35:03

country music . But

35:05

let's just even make it smaller than that , because I didn't

35:07

even know the history of country music until her album came

35:10

out . Let's make it simpler . You

35:12

can't do that . And then be okay with all

35:14

of the country artists . Taylor swift

35:16

is another one , shania twain

35:18

there are all of these artists who came from

35:20

country music and planting themselves into

35:23

other genres and make millions of dollars

35:25

can't be a hypocrite

35:27

. Is what I'm saying yeah , mcgrath and

35:29

nelly who tim

35:31

mcgr , country singer .

35:33

He made a song with Nelly .

35:34

He made a song with Nelly , that's right . He sure did .

35:36

Yep .

35:38

But Nelly also did another country song

35:41

with another group , right

35:43

it was . He

35:47

had two country hits which he

35:49

was the first rapper to do that before .

35:51

Here's the funny part . I don't know enough country music

35:53

people to even be saying it , but

35:55

we know the people that made it in pop

35:58

music , you know in hip hop or whatever it is

36:00

.

36:00

Here's the perfect example of the , the , the

36:02

roles being reversed . What's

36:04

her name ? Maren Morris . She

36:07

started out . She's Maren Morris

36:09

. She had a song with that . She had with

36:11

Alicia Keys , oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , right

36:13

, meet me in the middle , right , that

36:15

was an R&B . That came out as an R&B song

36:18

but people didn't have any problems

36:20

. When she went right over in the country

36:22

and she became you know , and

36:24

he said Cowboy Troy was accepting it . I

36:26

don't know who

36:29

is Cowboy Troy , you want ?

36:30

we need music . Tell us the song , because we don't know who .

36:32

Cowboy .

36:33

Troy is . Let me google him because I don't . Is Cowboy Troy ? We need music . Tell us the song , because we don't know who Cowboy Troy is .

36:34

Let me Google him , because I don't know .

36:35

Cowboy Troy , oh he's a black guy . Okay

36:37

, she must have heard us talking about Prince .

36:41

You know what I was on TikTok and Toby was live

36:43

and I went on her live for a minute . I was at work

36:45

and her and Tony were on . They were talking and

36:48

I just need to see . Toby

36:50

is a very beautiful woman , gorgeous

36:52

woman . Okay , what are you showing us , mario

36:55

?

36:55

Because of my screen

36:57

.

36:57

Okay , and what about Cowboy

36:59

Troy ?

37:00

He said Brian says he's accepted in the country music

37:02

.

37:02

But why wouldn't he be ? It seems like a lot of black artists

37:05

are .

37:05

I mean , there are a lot of black artists out there .

37:08

But is his point that Cowboy Troy was

37:10

somebody in other genres

37:12

? Because I've never heard of him , but not that I'm the music aficionado

37:15

.

37:15

Yeah , and there's another

37:18

young man . He was just on Dancing

37:20

with the Stars . He's a cowboy . He's a Black

37:22

country artist , kay Brown

37:24

. Huh , kay Brown . Kay

37:28

Brown didn't know he was Black until he was almost

37:31

an adult . So let's start there . I'm

37:34

just going to start right there .

37:35

Cynthia , you see , I'm drinking my .

37:41

You made me think of the skate with the guy going into KKK

37:43

.

37:43

That was black and he was like I

37:46

mean the King Brown said that himself , it's

37:48

not that I'm making that up . He said he

37:50

didn't know he was black . I

37:53

swear by hand to .

37:54

Jesus . That's okay . That's the world I hope we live

37:56

in someday where color is just another thing

37:58

like our color . But we are not there yet . That's

38:00

the problem . We are not there yet , people . Okay

38:03

, we are not there yet .

38:04

Color matters right now , so I saw something

38:06

really , really funny um , yesterday . Matter of fact , I just

38:08

came on my feed for some reason . It was a black comedian and

38:11

he goes you know what , what , what if

38:13

the roles were reversed ? What if

38:15

it was the white people that were the slaves ? What , what

38:17

, what kind of , what kind of spirituals would

38:19

they have , can you imagine ? So he starts going like just

38:22

a small town girl living

38:24

in a lonely world .

38:26

I was dying , it was so funny

38:30

can you segue into showing the um

38:32

the talk of you want both the

38:34

second one yeah , show the second one , because that's kind of

38:36

funny . I mean I guess we could show both , but show

38:38

the second one first chicken

38:41

with the train , okay I thought it was relevant

38:43

I don't know I don't see .

38:45

The name of the song is cracking me up yeah

38:47

, right hiccup .

38:50

Oh , I saw this one , yeah .

38:51

I said this to everyone , right .

38:53

Yeah , yeah . Let me go ahead .

38:55

Yeah go ahead .

38:57

Jolie , jolie , jolie

38:59

, bitch Jolie , I'm

39:02

one of your girl . Yeah , best to not cover my man

39:04

. Bitch , jolie , jolie

39:07

, Jolie , jolie . I'm

39:11

making it clear so you can understand

39:14

. Bitch , I see you there with your thin

39:16

blonde hair . I'm going to whip your ass from here to there

39:18

If you ever say hello to my man

39:20

again . I

39:23

know my man is fine as hell , but that

39:25

is mine . Bitch , can't you tell you don't compete

39:27

, so you can't compare . You don't even got no

39:29

derriere . I'm that booty . One

39:33

more time , Let me tell you one thing about me I'm

39:35

a Louisiana , texas , banshee , creole

39:37

bitch and I'ma beat your ass if you talking

39:39

shit . Hold up , jay , hold up , jay . Hold

39:41

my earrings .

39:49

Now my dude .

39:51

Okay , so maybe this was the version

39:53

that Megyn Kelly was talking about .

39:55

Right For

39:57

those who are listening to us and can't see us

39:59

. It says what white people are

40:01

hearing , what they hear when they hear Beyonce's

40:04

version of Joe .

40:05

Yeah , it was so funny . Can

40:07

I just tell you I was crying . It was so funny

40:10

because it's like that's not what I heard

40:12

, but I could .

40:13

But that's what they're hearing . I'm like I

40:15

didn't hear that .

40:16

Okay , but wait , wait . Can we have a nuanced conversation

40:18

? Do you think that it's possible that

40:21

white folk it's just hard

40:24

to be in a situation where they're

40:26

constantly being told now that things are

40:28

different than what they're used to understanding

40:32

. We can lie about our

40:34

history . You know what I mean . Like , what do you think about that

40:36

?

40:38

The word purist comes to mind , and

40:40

that goes on .

40:42

So many different levels You're

40:44

going to have to explain that . I need you to explain

40:46

it .

40:47

Purist can go

40:49

to the people who believe in

40:51

the sanctity of the original of something

40:53

, whereas they'll say , oh , I'm a purist

40:55

when it comes to country music

40:57

, or I'm a purist when it comes to R&B , where only

41:00

they believe certain people fit into a category

41:02

. I'm a purist when it comes to race

41:04

, when I'm a purist when it comes to

41:08

people don't believe in mixing races

41:10

, they're purists . They

41:12

don't believe in the evolution or

41:15

developing new ideas

41:17

because they are stuck in

41:19

a way of things , the way things

41:22

they believe they should be . Does that make sense

41:24

?

41:25

You're saying that country music , people

41:27

are saying that they're purists , because you can

41:29

only be country music if you are

41:31

what White . Okay , I just want to make sure we're on the same page that they're

41:33

purists , because you can only be country music if you are what white .

41:34

Okay , I just want to make sure we're on the same page yeah , yeah

41:36

, I mean , I mean it's just what it is , because I mean

41:38

but . But , like brian said

41:40

, most people of all generations are scared of change

41:43

all ethnicities , and that's and that's very

41:45

true , brian , because they're , you know , just

41:48

like you know , not to get into race anymore than

41:50

we've already done today . But you

41:52

know , people

41:58

have . They have . I still get looks . I've been with my wife for 30 years

42:00

but I still get looks . You know what I'm saying To me . I don't care anymore , I

42:02

don't see it anymore . But people

42:04

, people of Hispanic

42:06

race , get pissed off . People who are Black get pissed

42:08

off . And you know the same thing about

42:10

people giving me shit because they

42:12

think that I don't love black women . That has

42:15

never been the case . My mama's a black

42:17

woman . I love a black woman , but

42:19

I don't feel like I have to defend myself , just

42:21

like everybody else . They feel like

42:23

they shouldn't have to defend themselves and , being

42:25

able to evolve , you don't have to be stuck

42:27

somewhere . You understand what I'm saying . If that's

42:30

not your thing , that doesn't have to be your thing , but you

42:32

don't have to make it everybody else's thing , and

42:34

I think that's where I'm at . If

42:36

you don't like it , okay , cool , you don't like it . But

42:39

you don't have to say I don't like it . You

42:41

shouldn't like it . Everybody else shouldn't like it either , because

42:43

I don't like it .

42:46

And it's wrong . It's wrong . It shouldn't be able to say

42:48

that . But , cynthia , what are your thoughts ?

42:49

and rick , because I totally agree

42:51

, and you know it also

42:54

happens with religion . I know we don't talk about religion

42:56

, but it does happen with religion today everything's

42:58

open rick is like oh my god , don't . We're in

43:00

the weeds , now we're in the

43:04

weeds , you know there are some , there are some religions

43:06

that do try to push their beliefs on

43:08

other people , and it's like you know , as long as I

43:10

believe in god , I believe in some type of

43:13

higher power , somebody that's bigger than me

43:15

, then that's all that should matter . You shouldn't care

43:17

what my beliefs are , and you know you

43:19

have your opinion . That's it , rick

43:21

.

43:22

Yeah , there's an interesting thing in that Christian

43:25

music community . I

43:27

especially remember , even when I was younger , so when

43:30

I was first getting into my

43:32

belief system , right , all there was was

43:35

country , bluegrass

43:37

, everything southern gospel

43:40

. They didn't have no modern version of christian

43:42

, nothing . Now it's . You got everything . But

43:44

there was a time when , like hard rock

43:47

, christian started coming into play . And then rap

43:49

started coming into play and I was like a

43:51

lot of people I thought this was very interesting

43:54

. Well , again , some people , they didn't like neither one

43:56

. No , that's not of god . That's not

43:58

of god . Some people are like oh , rock is

44:00

cool , but rap , no , that's of the devil . I'm like why

44:03

? And then even one preacher who

44:06

was pretty famous literally said he

44:08

was not gonna have a guy

44:10

he didn't know he was a . He was a . Not have a guy come

44:12

to his church once he found out he was a rapper

44:14

. And he's like no , that's not of God . I'm like

44:16

you are so stupid . One thing I noticed

44:19

looking at the lyrics of

44:21

the rock Christian and then the rap Christian

44:23

. The lyrics of the rap

44:25

blew me away . Comparatively

44:27

to the rock . The rock was just like basic

44:29

, but the rap stuff I was like , ooh

44:32

, bars , what Say that again . It

44:34

was deep stuff .

44:36

They're still preaching the word of God . So it's

44:38

like , who cares how they're doing it

44:40

?

44:40

It's coming out how it's packaged . It doesn't matter

44:43

how it's packaged , yeah , exactly .

44:44

There's a guy on TikTok I don't know if you guys have seen

44:46

it who does a version of preaching about

44:48

God to Texas Hold'em and

44:51

it's beautiful .

44:52

Yeah , like you said , even with the

44:55

gospel music man , the purists

44:57

of the Winans and Shirley Caesars at the

44:59

back of the day . Man , when they

45:01

when Kirk Franklin first came out , they were in the uproar

45:03

about Kirk Franklin . Come on now . The

45:06

man is still delivering the message .

45:10

It doesn't matter how it's wrapped up , you as long as you're getting the gift and

45:12

the thing that would really tick me off even to this day it still

45:14

does , because I still see people doing it in the churches

45:17

. They'll say god

45:19

doesn't like that kind of music you ain't god

45:21

sit down and shut

45:23

up you . You don't like that music . Wow

45:25

, like that .

45:26

Whatever it's not god , shut up , go ahead

45:28

.

45:28

Rick preach who woulded me off . Sorry

45:30

, come on now .

45:31

Oh , he got hit . Come on

45:33

, Rick .

45:34

Get Rick going . Hey

45:36

, there I see many Indian , punjabi

45:38

artists collaborating with hip hop rappers and singers

45:40

like Sia . Is that how ? We say it yeah

45:42

, Sia I think it's a beautiful thing that artists

45:44

integrate their talent in different genres .

45:46

Gigi , thank you Absolutely , Gigi

45:48

another perfect example is Missy Yelly and Get

45:50

your Freak On .

45:51

That's right . Oh , that's a good one . That's

45:53

a good one . Alma just said exactly

45:56

. We

46:00

are to share the good word with all people and look just for all the atheists out

46:02

there . I do have atheist people who follow

46:04

my channel . Look

46:06

, whatever works for you is fine . I think

46:08

my whole thing about

46:11

what's happening now whether it's this

46:13

whole thing with Beyonce or whatever

46:16

situation when it comes to issues

46:18

of race or things that we

46:20

in our gut just automatically start

46:22

to be defensive about please

46:24

check yourself . There is nuance to

46:27

everything and I

46:29

know white people are having a hard time . I said this in

46:31

my podcast last week . I

46:39

did a Carmen talk and I got some feedback and I know people listen

46:41

to it and I know it was a little bit hard to listen to . But here's the thing it's . We

46:43

are in a world right now where people are just automatically

46:45

, quickly , without thinking

46:48

, without doing the actual work

46:50

, reacting to shit . Your

46:53

hate for Beyonce is stupid

46:55

. You don't need to hate Beyonce . Beyonce

46:58

is one of the geniuses of our time and I'm

47:00

I'm not like a Beyonce crazy

47:02

person . I'm not part of the beehive or anything

47:04

, but the idea that if you

47:06

go back with an open heart and an open

47:09

mind and go back and listen to all

47:11

of her albums which I own all of

47:13

them , if you list , she

47:15

is a storyteller and she's a great

47:17

storyteller and she's a historian

47:19

. I know people are going to be all freaked out because I said that , but

47:22

she does something that a lot of

47:24

artists don't do . The only other person I

47:26

think of that touches me this way is Prince . I

47:29

know people are going to be upset . People are going to be upset , like , don't do

47:31

that . Beyonce , prince , I am telling you

47:33

right now , when it comes to the music and the genres

47:35

that I love , I'm telling you no one

47:37

else has done this kind

47:40

of thing . With all of their albums

47:42

, where they teach history

47:45

, they teach me something new , they make me a better person

47:48

than Beyonce , and I'm not a fan

47:50

. I mean this album is fine , it's just

47:52

not my favorite . But stop being

47:54

a knee jerk reaction kind

47:57

of person and start being a person

47:59

who has depth , who listens

48:01

to nuance , who looks deeper

48:03

into what's going on . Please , I

48:06

beg of you . This country is in so

48:08

much trouble because y'all keep knee-jerking

48:10

reaction to everything .

48:13

Can I ask a question ? Yes , when something

48:15

bothers us so deeply

48:18

or so viscerally , it's

48:20

something in it that is

48:22

within us that's really

48:26

striking a chord , whether

48:28

it be good or bad . And when we have

48:30

a visceral response to something , especially

48:32

if it's something you're unfamiliar with , you

48:35

have to sometimes do self-reflection and say

48:37

why is it bothering me so much ? What

48:39

is it about this thing that is just

48:42

making me so upset ? And

48:44

if you do some self-reflection you'll learn

48:46

something new about yourself

48:48

.

48:48

But , mario , it's harder because I'm

48:51

not trying to be disagreeable .

48:52

No , no , no , I'm going to disagree with you for a moment .

48:54

I think white people are going through something right now and

48:57

what they're going through is real . They're

48:59

going through something which is they have always been

49:02

right , in power , correct

49:04

. They've been the inventors

49:06

of everything . The history is the

49:08

way it was taught to all of us , and now they're

49:11

being told all of that is wrong

49:13

. All of that is wrong . That is

49:15

not true . The country music thing

49:17

is a great , motherfucking example . Even

49:20

I didn't know that country music wasn't a white

49:22

thing .

49:24

I learned and they're mad about it .

49:27

And rightfully so . But instead of being

49:29

mad about being lied to to , what's

49:32

happening is they're rejecting the information

49:34

. You know what I mean like and and that's

49:36

what's infuriating . When I learned about

49:38

tulsa and I learned about rosewood

49:41

and this happened during the whole fucking

49:43

black lives matter march I

49:45

was pissed at my country for

49:47

not teaching me the truth

49:50

about what happened to black communities

49:52

that were of wealth and trying

49:54

to establish themselves and were already

49:56

established with their own income

49:58

, with their own wall street black wall street

50:01

their own abilities to , to

50:03

, to create , and then they were

50:05

totally killed

50:07

, literally bombarded

50:09

by airplanes and and

50:12

and bombs and decimated

50:14

. Yeah , when I learned that as an

50:16

American , as as a person

50:18

who is a patriot and loves their motherfucking

50:21

country , when I learned that , I was pissed

50:23

. So if I'm pissed as a person of color

50:25

, learning that , shit , white people

50:27

are having a come to Jesus moment , and

50:29

for the atheist , whatever that is for you , but I'm just saying they're

50:31

having a moment to Jesus moment . And for the atheists , whatever that is for you , but I'm just saying they're having a moment . Yeah

50:33

, that is really hard and I fucking

50:36

get it . I get it to the ability

50:38

that I can .

50:39

Yeah , I watched a show . I

50:42

wish I could remember what the name of it was , but and

50:44

it was , it was showing the Tulsa thing , cause it was like a time

50:47

travel thing . I went back in time and they went into the Tulsa

50:49

what are they called in ?

50:50

Tulsa .

50:50

Black . Wall Street Wasn't there like a Tulsa massacre

50:53

, not massacre .

50:54

Tulsa massacre .

50:55

I watched it . I was like oh , wow . And then I was like I've

50:57

been listening to people talk about the show and they're like , yeah

51:00

, that was a real thing . I was like , wait , what . I

51:03

was mad because I was like , wait , why is this not known ? This

51:06

is crazy . This is history

51:08

, not in school no , that's right , I was

51:10

mad .

51:11

Only reason I knew about it is because my grandparents taught

51:13

me about it .

51:14

Um , what a blessing .

51:15

I'm glad that you knew that , because I didn't know nothing yeah

51:17

, I grew up knowing about black wall street and

51:19

about that because it was you know for

51:21

for people of the south . You

51:23

know , a lot of our stories

51:26

are told through our ancestors . That's

51:28

right and so , therefore , and it was important

51:31

to to share the stories . Now , some of the

51:33

accuracy you know , right

51:35

, but you get the general gist

51:37

of and then you can go back and verify for yourself

51:40

. But , yeah , it definitely

51:42

. And then another another

51:44

group of people were made aware of the

51:46

, the . The Tulsa

51:48

massacre was through Lovecraft

51:51

country . Oh , yes

51:53

. Yeah , if

51:56

you watch Lovecraft Country , which is

51:58

considered a horror genre , but it

52:00

was still the massacre of all these black people , you

52:02

know , and you got to see part of that

52:04

in there , but

52:06

for sure you know it's . I

52:09

think people are just mad because we're being

52:11

, our history is being whitewashed .

52:14

Well , no , no , it has been whitewashed , but now it's coming

52:16

to fruition with a truth is

52:19

, and I think it's . Look at and I black

52:22

folk in my life get mad at me because I'm trying to have

52:24

as much compassion as I can for

52:26

white folk who are learning something that I

52:28

think is detrimental

52:30

and painful to their idea

52:33

of who they are in this country , and I think

52:35

that's fair . I don't think that's

52:37

a bad thing to acknowledge

52:39

. I don't hate anyone

52:41

in this country . I love my country . I

52:44

have faith in the American people , even though they let me down

52:46

over and over and over again , but I still

52:48

have faith . And here's what I'm saying . We're

52:51

all learning the truth about

52:53

the United States and I think the best thing we can

52:55

do is embrace that . Embrace

52:58

that and become the country we can actually

53:00

be by embracing it . By the way

53:02

, black and people

53:05

of color and indigenous people , we're not

53:07

going anywhere . We're not going anywhere

53:09

. We're here . So

53:11

this idea that somehow you can keep denying

53:13

it and I'm going to go back to the Megan Callie

53:16

thing whatever the fuck her name is because I'm so pissed

53:18

about her because she has a platform . She

53:20

is the epitome of what a white

53:22

woman is . You know what I mean . Like everything about her she's white , she's

53:25

beautiful , she's smart , she's got all these people

53:27

following her , whatever . And to get up there and say

53:29

what she did . I wish I

53:31

knew her , because I would call her and be like dude

53:33

, what are you doing ? You have all this power . What

53:36

are you doing ? Embedding this crap

53:38

? You know , this is

53:40

the stuff that annoys me . The

53:43

kind of fueling of the continuous

53:45

racism and that's what she was doing is

53:47

continuing and fueling

53:49

racism . You

53:54

can put lipstick on it , you can put a bow on it , you can call it

53:56

whatever you want . Her jealousy and her racism was shining

53:58

, shining brightly , and

54:01

I think we have to acknowledge that and realize

54:03

that there's a fear in the white community

54:06

. That's valid . But you know what ? Get

54:08

over it and move on and let's just figure

54:10

it out . I don't hate white

54:12

people . I love white people . I do . I love

54:15

white people . But we have got to figure it

54:17

out to be really true Great

54:19

, to be the great country we

54:21

thought we were , we actually

54:23

have to move through this part of

54:25

us and the reason why I call it racism

54:27

is because it is and you

54:29

all know the nuances of it this whole

54:31

hatred for Beyonce is about

54:34

racism . Whole

54:37

hatred for Beyonce is about racism . It's about racism . This is not about Dolly Parton or about

54:40

Paul McCartney , or about her being in country or whatever . It's none

54:42

of that . At the end of the day , if you sat with

54:44

yourself , wrote in your journal and really

54:46

had a conversation , this is about racism

54:48

. You're angry that a black woman

54:50

made country music , who is

54:52

a an amazing artist , and walked

54:54

into another genre .

54:56

And made history . History she made history

54:58

. Number

55:01

one album number one country album , number one

55:03

single , all number ones , all in

55:06

the same week .

55:07

By the way , the reason why she has

55:09

made history in country music

55:11

is not because of me , it's because

55:13

of country people listening to her motherfucking

55:15

country music bitches . Get

55:22

a grip . Brianrian , you said welcome to political , to political science . Everything you learned in high

55:24

school is sugar-coated . Welcome to the real shit . I listen to my professor amen brian

55:27

, amen for real yeah

55:29

, and I'm sorry you look at I . I know

55:31

this podcast is billed as something we

55:33

don't usually talk about racism and religion . But

55:35

here's the other thing I know for sure and on

55:37

my Carmen talks , I will talk about whatever I damn well

55:39

please , and you don't have to listen to it . But we also

55:42

can't be authentically myself , and

55:44

this conversation is

55:47

about race . It really is , and

55:49

to shy away from it would be crazy . We're

55:52

smarter than that . We're nuanced .

55:53

You know what I mean Go ahead

55:55

, mario , no , no , no , listen , it was

55:58

on my spirit . I felt like I needed to bring the topic

56:00

to the table .

56:01

It's not Mario's fault , by the way , don't

56:05

at me either .

56:07

Alma brought up the whole making of the Green Book thing and

56:10

that's a whole movie in and of itself .

56:11

Wait , wait , wait . Did I miss something about Alma

56:14

?

56:14

She said that show also touched on the making of the

56:16

Green Book and why it was so needed .

56:17

That's right , my grandmother had a Green Book , but

56:20

why don't one of you explain what the Green Book is , please ?

56:22

Well , there's a funny part in the show where so

56:24

basically it's these are

56:26

places , restaurants , you can go where you're

56:29

okay with Black people , basically .

56:31

And hotels it's not just restaurants Places you can

56:33

go , you can go there .

56:34

They're not going to try to lynch you , right ? So

56:36

in the show they went to this restaurant because it was in the

56:38

book , didn't know that it got bought out by somebody

56:41

else who was not pro-Black people , and

56:43

so they're sitting down , they're like chilling , like

56:45

everything's cool . Then

56:53

all of a sudden the girl goes . I got need to get down here and

56:55

she came back . She said we got to

56:57

get out of here right now . We got

56:59

to go now , now . And I was like wow

57:01

that is .

57:02

That's so crazy . And then there's also

57:04

what they call sundown towns .

57:06

Yep .

57:07

Wasn't that part of the Green Book , though that's part

57:09

of the whole Green Book thing .

57:10

That's all part , and in

57:12

that TV show too , yeah hotels

57:14

, restaurants

57:16

, gas stations , cities .

57:19

It was a path through the South

57:21

to get all the way through safely and

57:24

you had to be out of these sundown towns

57:26

to make sure you stay alive to see the

57:28

next day .

57:29

This was something that was told between networks of

57:31

people of color , so you would know where to

57:33

go and where not to go . Let me just say , growing up

57:36

in Boston sorry , I love you , boston , but , cynthia , you know

57:38

what I'm going to say we kind of had our own little

57:40

green book without actually having it written down . You

57:43

grew up where you could go and you couldn't go

57:45

.

57:45

It was very well established after dark or whatever

57:47

, like right now , where I live , you

57:53

live , in South Boston , I live in south boston , which was it's basically all

57:55

irish . So back in 70s

57:57

, early 80s , I was going to come

58:00

to south boston . Looking like me , carmen

58:02

, you know , like unless you were

58:04

with a white person .

58:05

so I would go without carrier all the time , or I

58:07

would be . It was why because I used to hang

58:09

out in south boston , but only with other

58:11

white people , I would never go . So

58:14

it's the same kind of thing you knew

58:16

as a person of color , where you could and

58:18

could not go , and that's part

58:20

of what all this is . And here's the thing white

58:23

America I'm saying this on purpose

58:25

. We need to know our history

58:28

, because the only way we get better as a

58:30

country and as a people is to

58:32

understand a truth . This isn't about me

58:34

being hateful to white I love white people . This isn't about me . I want

58:36

us to understand a truth . This isn't about me being hateful to white I love white

58:38

people . This isn't about me . I want us to know our truth

58:40

, because we become stronger as a nation

58:42

, as a people , when we know the truth of who

58:44

we are .

58:45

Yes .

58:46

You know what I mean . Alma just said I

58:48

have a friend in San Diego that says they have a son downtown

58:51

. We do Absolutely in San Diego .

58:52

We do oh absolutely .

58:54

Melanie just said , so many people have crossed over

58:56

from one genre of music to another Beyonce

58:58

, the latest . I don't see the problem . Thank you , melanie

59:00

, I agree with you . Hey , audrey

59:03

, welcome . Audrey is

59:05

Cynthia's sister .

59:06

Hey Audrey .

59:07

But there's also people of color who are not supporting

59:09

Beyonce's country song . Have you seen

59:12

a TikTok video of a woman who's in her car listening

59:14

to music with her daughter ? Beyonce song comes on , the

59:16

text is hold on . The mother says , oh no , this

59:18

is not happening . So she changes the station

59:20

and the daughter was like what the hell ? Well

59:22

, bravo to the daughter . You know what I mean . Like

59:24

bravo to the daughter . Yeah

59:32

, I mean , look , there's a lot of people who have

59:34

angst , but I think we's why we're having the conversation , mara

59:36

. I think that's why you wanted to have the conversation .

59:39

A hundred percent . You know , it's just about . You know now , mind

59:42

you , texas Hold'em was playing a lot

59:44

and there's another meme it

59:46

was another meme where the lady is the old black and white

59:48

video and a woman

59:50

. She goes to the Victrola and

59:52

you hear Texas Hold'em playing and all of a sudden she takes

59:54

the record off the Victrola and smashes it . She

59:58

says if I hear that song one more time

1:00:01

, that's right . Yeah , my God

1:00:03

, this was such I'm sorry .

1:00:06

Go ahead , rick , I'm sorry .

1:00:08

I think this doesn't apply necessarily to everything , but in a

1:00:10

lot of things , if you have a

1:00:12

problem , you have a problem

1:00:14

, you have a problem , say .

1:00:15

You have a problem . You have a problem , you have a problem . Say that . Say

1:00:19

that Say it loud you have a problem

1:00:21

. Come on now .

1:00:22

Woo , Rick is my co-host . Go

1:00:25

ahead , baby Woo . Go

1:00:27

ahead , Rick , Go ahead . That was good

1:00:29

, yeah , you know what . But

1:00:31

here's the thing I have faith in the American people . I

1:00:33

do , I do , I do . If Andrea was here

1:00:35

by the way , she's on a flight still and she

1:00:37

was delayed , you know she would

1:00:40

probably be like oh Carmen , you're so crazy

1:00:42

. I think she's kind of a little bit lost faith in

1:00:44

the American people . I still have hope , I love

1:00:46

my country and I still have faith

1:00:48

in us . I think we're great people . I

1:00:57

think it takes us a long time to get wherever it is we need to be , but once we get there , we're solid . Look at Mara Mara's like I

1:01:01

have faith . But wow , we are

1:01:03

at one hour 13 minutes and

1:01:05

we did not talk about OJ . We

1:01:08

still can .

1:01:09

Deuces .

1:01:10

Woo . Well , let's talk a little bit about

1:01:13

OJ . Go ahead , Mario . Why don't you throw

1:01:15

in ?

1:01:15

I said what I said , deuces .

1:01:17

What's deuces mean ? I don't even know what that means .

1:01:19

See you later .

1:01:20

See you later , bye , I mean

1:01:22

.

1:01:22

I don't , like you know he's

1:01:24

so divisive Divisive rather . People

1:01:27

are like he didn't do it or he did it

1:01:29

wasn't

1:01:40

there . I'm not on the journey , I don't care . I wish his family

1:01:42

peace and solace because he was still a father . He still had children

1:01:45

. I hope that his children are at peace

1:01:47

. I hope the Goldman family is now

1:01:49

at peace , because that

1:01:51

was an ongoing thorn in their side

1:01:53

. So shout out to the

1:01:55

Goldman , shout out to the Simpsons . Let

1:01:58

everybody be in peace and it's now

1:02:00

over .

1:02:00

Cynthia , I really don't

1:02:02

care about that .

1:02:03

I don't care for the man , so I mean , I'm

1:02:06

going to say something , but go ahead , Rick . I'm

1:02:08

going to say something that's going to throw you all , but go ahead , Rick .

1:02:10

I forgot the movie . Is it called barbershop

1:02:12

, where the barber goes ?

1:02:14

oh , jay did it , oh , they did it

1:02:17

no , I'm

1:02:19

gonna I'm just gonna say this part and then you

1:02:21

guys can chime in and and we'll close it down

1:02:24

. Um , so I moved here in 1994

1:02:27

. I moved here in 1994 , what , what

1:02:29

, mario ?

1:02:29

my wife asked me did any of us see the last post that

1:02:31

oj simpson did ? I said I don't know . I have to look I

1:02:33

I have no idea .

1:02:34

It's not like I followed him .

1:02:36

Neither did .

1:02:36

I , audrey , just said . Well , technically

1:02:38

, the Goldman are really not at peace because they did say

1:02:41

that their hope for his accountability has ended , which

1:02:43

is sad , absolutely true , absolutely true . So

1:02:45

I moved here in 1994 in

1:02:48

California , and

1:03:00

I didn't just move to California , I actually landed in West LA in the neighborhood where OJ Simpson killed

1:03:02

or did not kill his wife , depending on your perspective . I actually ended up buying a condo across the

1:03:04

street , literally across the street from

1:03:06

the place where this all happened

1:03:08

. So the reason why I bring this up is

1:03:11

I

1:03:14

think people forget the nuance

1:03:16

of what happened back then . So

1:03:18

let me refresh your memory In 1991

1:03:21

, rodney King , during the riots

1:03:23

in Los Angeles , was

1:03:25

beaten by cops . Ridiculously

1:03:28

. It was filmed on video . We

1:03:30

didn't have phones back then , but it was on video . It

1:03:32

was a huge news . You guys

1:03:34

remember it right , the Rodney King thing , or whatever , and

1:03:37

cops beat him or whatever , and that was 1991

1:03:39

. It was a huge news . You guys remember it right ? The Rodney or whatever

1:03:41

, and cops beat him or whatever , and it was , that was 1991

1:03:45

. That was March of 1991 . And when

1:03:47

I moved here in 1994

1:03:49

, that was still a really big part of our ethos as a country . Right

1:03:54

that all of these cops beat a black man after pulling him out of his tractor , trailer thing or

1:03:56

whatever , to a pulp . And then no one was held accountable for that

1:03:58

. I don't know if people remember that , but nobody

1:04:00

was held accountable for that . And then in April

1:04:02

of 1995 , oj

1:04:04

Simpsons . They

1:04:06

came out and said that he was not guilty . Right

1:04:09

, that was what happened . So I was here in Los Angeles

1:04:11

, I was living . I had a roommate at the time , chris Leterzo

1:04:13

, and we had a huge fight about this . But I

1:04:15

was one of those people who was like , oh my God , yes

1:04:17

, I was so happy

1:04:19

about him being let

1:04:22

go or whatever , donnie

1:04:24

Cochran doing whatever . And people are like , oh my

1:04:26

God , how could you ? It's not that I believed

1:04:28

that he didn't kill his wife , that was not the controversy

1:04:31

, that was not the issue . I absolutely

1:04:34

know that motherfucking killed his wife and

1:04:36

killed Ron Goldman . That was not the problem . But

1:04:38

what people don't remember back then is that

1:04:40

what people were

1:04:42

feeling is would

1:04:45

you be treated the same if

1:04:47

you were wealthy and black , like you were

1:04:49

wealthy and white ? What

1:04:51

a lot of people of color were excited

1:04:54

about , wasn't that ? Oj got off ? And

1:04:56

I'm not trying to speak for all people of color were excited about , wasn't that OJ got off ? And I'm not trying to speak for all people of color , but

1:04:58

I'm just saying my feeling and what I

1:05:00

know from people I hang out with who are people of

1:05:02

color . We were excited to see

1:05:04

that the justice system was the same

1:05:06

if you were rich . Does

1:05:08

that make sense ? Like that's

1:05:10

what the exuberance was

1:05:13

of ? Oh so if you have money

1:05:15

, it don't matter what color your ear is . You will get

1:05:17

off , because white people got off

1:05:19

all the time and continue to get off

1:05:22

if they have a lot of money . Yeah . So

1:05:24

I just want to throw that out there . I have never

1:05:26

, not once ever , thought that he was not guilty and

1:05:28

I was glad that he was in prison . I don't give a fuck

1:05:30

that he died . I'll just say that straight up . And

1:05:33

I'm just sad that he didn't suffer more . What

1:05:35

?

1:05:35

Pick me . I have a fun fact , something else you

1:05:37

don't know about me .

1:05:38

I just wanted to give that statement so people would

1:05:40

understand that this is OJ related . Go

1:05:43

ahead OJ related . Go ahead baby .

1:05:44

I worked with Chris Darden right

1:05:47

after the OJ trial .

1:05:48

Oh my God , oh my God , poor Chris Darden

1:05:51

. He went through so much .

1:05:52

He actually . I

1:05:54

remember that because I was still at Cal State , LA

1:05:56

, at the time .

1:05:57

Tell people who Chris Darden is on the audio . Chris . Darden

1:05:59

was one of the prosecuting attorneys with Marsha

1:06:02

is it Marsha Gray , marsha Gray , marsha

1:06:04

Gray , and he was Black . He was Black , yeah .

1:06:05

Chris Darden was a Black man who was one of the prosecuting

1:06:08

attorneys for the OJ trial and

1:06:20

I was a student worker at Cal State , la at the time and I was working in the criminal

1:06:22

justice department as an aide . I didn't know that Another

1:06:25

fun fact about me that you didn't know . So I was working

1:06:27

in the criminal justice department at Cal State LA and it was

1:06:29

such a big deal . News

1:06:32

reporters were everywhere all over campus . We literally had to have a security guard outside

1:06:34

of our office door just so he can come into the office to do his work before he got ready

1:06:36

to clap to go to class . We had to keep security

1:06:38

outside the classrooms . It was a

1:06:40

madhouse . But when I got

1:06:42

to sit down and talk to him on a one-on-one basis

1:06:44

, you could see the turmoil , yeah

1:06:46

, his face all the time

1:06:48

about , um , how

1:06:51

the outcome of that case came

1:06:53

to be . And he actually got . He talked about the case

1:06:55

quite a bit in that in a couple of

1:06:57

his classes that semester or that , yeah , that

1:06:59

quarter , cause he's , he taught there for almost

1:07:01

a year . Wow , really really

1:07:03

nice man , very quiet , very reserved

1:07:06

, but very troubled

1:07:08

. For sure . I can say that with honesty

1:07:10

. He was very troubled about the outcome and

1:07:12

he said I , you know we did our best , but it

1:07:15

just didn't work out in our favor . But he said

1:07:17

all the evidence was there .

1:07:19

Because Johnny Cochran was crazy

1:07:21

amazing People get so mad

1:07:23

at . Like Johnny Cochran . I'm like bitch . If I was

1:07:25

in trouble , you know who I'd hire .

1:07:27

I'm calling Johnny Cochran .

1:07:27

Johnny Cochran Okay

1:07:29

.

1:07:30

If the glove don't fit , you must quit

1:07:32

, but

1:07:42

go ahead . Rick Cynthia , your thoughts about the past , I mean , like like tomorrow said I wasn't there

1:07:44

, did I have a feeling one way or the other ? I'm like carmen , I , like you , probably did um

1:07:47

well , and I agree too , though it's nice

1:07:49

to see that you know it's

1:07:52

possible to get off

1:07:54

even though you're

1:07:56

not white . Yeah , yeah .

1:07:58

It's a tough one , though . It's a tough one because you don't

1:08:00

, you , I mean , I see , I agree

1:08:02

with you , rick , but it's kind of like so

1:08:04

that becomes a socioeconomic situation

1:08:07

. So if you have money , you get

1:08:09

off on stuff . So our justice system

1:08:11

really isn't equal . I

1:08:16

don't have that kind of money to have that kind of defense . You know what I mean . So , but

1:08:18

yeah , I , I , I mean that's what that was about . And , by the way , my roommate at the time , chris

1:08:21

Leterzo oh my God , we had such

1:08:23

a fight . He was so angry with

1:08:25

me because he heard me in my room . I

1:08:28

was like we had such a huge

1:08:30

fight about he's a white man , but it was just so

1:08:32

amazingly like he was so angry

1:08:34

with me . But , cynthia , thoughts , you

1:08:37

loved OJ Go

1:08:39

ahead , admit it .

1:08:40

I'm just waiting for it to be on an episode of Keep it Up

1:08:42

With the Kardashians or something .

1:08:43

Because you know that it's going to be . Oh right , the

1:08:45

Kardashians are related , right , yeah

1:08:48

, because they're bad .

1:08:49

Yeah , Rob Kardashian . Robert

1:08:52

Kardashian was one of the

1:08:54

attorneys .

1:08:55

That's right . He was one of the attorneys , right .

1:08:57

That's right , he was one of the

1:08:59

attorneys on the defense

1:09:01

with Johnny Cochran .

1:09:02

Mm-hmm . Oh wow , amazing . I just saw the last video where

1:09:04

he was denying that he was in hospice . That

1:09:06

was his last tweet . Who OJ

1:09:09

? Yeah , here , I'll play it for

1:09:11

you .

1:09:13

No , no , no , Don't play it , don't play it . I don't want to promote him

1:09:16

, I don't want to promote him , let's not promote him

1:09:18

you said you can't trust the media .

1:09:19

Basically .

1:09:20

No , no , no , no , no . I'm not trying

1:09:22

to be rude , but I do think I

1:09:24

want to be very clear . I am 99.99%

1:09:28

sure he killed his wife and Ron Goldman , so I

1:09:30

don't want to promote his fucking ass , but

1:09:38

I want to explain what the exuberance was on my part and what I think a lot of people of color were . It wasn't about that he didn't kill

1:09:40

them . It was that there was some weird

1:09:42

equality that happened if

1:09:45

you had money . You know what I mean . That's what happened . Ash

1:09:47

just said . Apparently

1:09:49

Chris said good riddance when he heard of

1:09:51

his passing , but apparently they were close

1:09:53

. Who's Chris Kardashian ? Oh

1:09:58

, I don't . I know nothing about the .

1:09:59

Kardashians . Chris with a K , and she's talking about Kardashian

1:10:01

.

1:10:03

Okay , well , technically , the Goldman are really not at peace

1:10:05

because they did say oh , I read that already . Right , right , I

1:10:07

feel bad for Ronald Ron Goldman . So

1:10:09

when I first moved here I think Charlie and I talked about

1:10:11

this a little bit Charlie Matera , who

1:10:13

we had on the private lounge , we

1:10:16

met at what used there

1:10:24

was Mezzaluna , which is the restaurant that she left her sunglasses at , and Ronald Goldman

1:10:26

, the waiter , brought them to her . Like , there's that part of the story and it's so

1:10:28

vivid in my mind because I remember when I first moved here

1:10:30

there were paparazzi everywhere . I got

1:10:32

this apartment for like 540

1:10:35

bucks , I remember it . It was a studio

1:10:37

apartment here in the heart of Brentwood

1:10:39

and it was because nobody

1:10:41

wanted to really live here anymore , because there was just

1:10:43

so much drama going on . I was like I'm in

1:10:45

. I just moved here , I'm

1:10:48

in and it was

1:10:50

just kind of an incredible

1:10:52

time . It was horrible , sad

1:10:54

and yeah , I'm pretty

1:10:56

sure , without a doubt , I don't think I'm

1:10:58

. I would bet everything that he did do it . Uh

1:11:00

, brian said so I shouldn't trade my truck in for a white

1:11:03

bronco no , that would be no no

1:11:05

, no , no , no , no . Okay , so we're

1:11:08

almost at one hour 30

1:11:10

minutes . That went by so fast

1:11:12

you did wow

1:11:15

, that was a great topic , mario . I would have never

1:11:17

talked about Beyonce , so I'm glad you

1:11:19

brought that up . Thank you , melanie just said Robert

1:11:21

Blake died last year . Do you think he was guilty ? Who's

1:11:23

Robert Blake ?

1:11:26

Yeah , but Robert Blake went

1:11:28

to jail .

1:11:29

Who's Robert Blake ?

1:11:31

He played Beretta . Yeah , what

1:11:33

was he ?

1:11:33

guilty of Don't break

1:11:36

my heart .

1:11:36

I loved Ber yeah , what

1:11:39

did he do ? I can't remember his crime but

1:11:41

yeah , I remember that whole thing melanie

1:11:43

.

1:11:43

We're gonna follow up on the next episode

1:11:45

next week , because I don't even know

1:11:47

what you're talking about , but I'm so sad , I'm

1:11:49

heartbroken . Yeah , everyone

1:11:51

, we're almost at the 130 mark . So I just wanted

1:11:53

to say , first of all , thank you , mario , love you , thank

1:11:55

you for coming by . I appreciate you , cynthia

1:11:58

, as always . Hey , rick

1:12:00

Costa , you know I love you , my man , you're

1:12:02

so good . Thank you everyone , and

1:12:08

let me just give a shout out again to people on

1:12:11

LinkedIn , who I keep getting so many followers and I'm so excited . Thank

1:12:13

you , thank you emails

1:12:17

. I appreciate the DMs . We are working on swag . A couple of people have asked

1:12:19

me for t-shirts and hats and somebody asked me for my hoodie

1:12:22

. I'm going to hook it up . I'm going to do it soon , I swear

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. I promise what , mario

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.

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I asked for my swag a long time ago .

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I know , you know what I want it to be quality

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. But I think I just got to bite the bullet and just

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go with it and I'm going to do it , I

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promise . But anyway , listen , thank you everyone

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for following us . Please go to YouTube

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, like us , follow and share

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. Please help us out with that because , as much as

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I don't give a fuck about

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how many people are liking us , we really

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do , we really really do . But

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investors , do we really

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?

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do , we really do , we really care .

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We really , really , really do care . I'm

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going to be better about it , so please , if you could do that , I

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really appreciate you and I appreciate the likes , the share , the comments

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, and I don't know why everyone emails me , but you

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can also just put a comment somewhere

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. But I'm okay with you emailing me directly , it's

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all good .

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In the words of Rick smash that like button

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.

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Thank you everyone . Have a great night . We'll be here next

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week and remember it's all about the joy

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. Bye everyone , bye

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. Thanks for stopping

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by . All about the joy . Be

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better and stay beautiful folks . Have

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a sweet day .