0:07

Hey, what up. It's Gottlieb. This is All Ball.

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Got a special one for you to

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say, thanks so much for downloading. And

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the great thing about basketball is there's

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so many different parts of it that are

0:20

like connective tissue. This

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All Ball was recorded on a Saturday night

0:25

when we didn't have games. It's not yet

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the high school season and it's

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not yet the college season, so

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we had some time to hang out and just

0:35

chop it up with a couple

0:37

of people closest to my heart. My son

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Hayes Gottlieb, who's an

0:41

eighth grader. My nephew,

0:44

Gage Gottlieb, who's a junior in high

0:46

school a La Costa Canyon in San

0:48

Diego. Actually, yes, Candido

0:51

and a

0:54

good friend of mine, and Hayes, and

0:57

frankly jere and Gage as well,

0:59

JEREMYA Paulino who plays

1:02

for Westcliff University. It's a NAIA

1:04

school in Irvine,

1:06

California. So you have I'm

1:09

the old man, Hayes the young

1:11

guy, and everybody and the other two are kind

1:13

of in the middle of the high school in college basketball.

1:16

All four of us love basketball

1:19

in very very different ways. I

1:21

would say that Jeremiah

1:25

wants to be a pro trainer. It's

1:27

his passion. Gauge

1:30

wants to be a player

1:33

at a higher level than Jeremiah

1:35

is currently playing at. And

1:38

he is an exceptionally hard worker.

1:41

And then Hayes is kind of trying to figure

1:43

it out. Loves ball, loves playing,

1:46

likes working at it, kind

1:48

of a late bloomer in terms of his

1:51

growth, and so some of that can become a frustration.

1:54

And I just thought it'd be a cool conversation

1:57

to have and we can check back in once

2:00

we get into the season. Per se right,

2:02

high school season kicks off very soon

2:05

in terms of practice in southern California. College

2:07

seasons get underway in the month

2:10

of November for ANIA as well as

2:12

NCAA, and of course my

2:14

job cranking up with college

2:16

basketball and the NBA has already kicked off. So

2:19

we had got a winding conversation. Some

2:22

of it's about college, about basketball,

2:24

some of it's about basketball in general, some of

2:27

it's about life. And I thought you did appreciate

2:29

it.

2:30

This is all ball.

2:32

Here's my conversation with Hayes, Gage

2:35

and Jeremiah.

2:39

Okay, it's our first edition Boys'

2:42

Night Saturday Night. You're

2:45

in the All Ball Pod. Okay. Joining

2:48

me on this podcast is fourteen

2:52

year old hair

2:54

model. He

2:59

loves rolling, fighting roller coasters,

3:01

even though he's not big enough

3:03

to ride most of them.

3:06

I literally can ride every road.

3:09

You talk, okay. Also

3:12

joining us is another hair model

3:15

from

3:18

what is it LaCosta Canyon High School.

3:21

Yeah, yeah, he's

3:24

he's going the route of like,

3:26

uh yeah,

3:28

you're kind of like Michael Beasley, right, different school

3:30

every year sort of deal, right, I

3:33

mean you think about it, if you if you go postgrad,

3:36

he'll do five and five years potentially, so

3:38

we'll see if you last. LaCosta King, the

3:41

Great Gauge Gottliet joins me.

3:43

M m.

3:45

Okay, and then red

3:48

shirt freshman at Westcliffe

3:51

University, which we're told is a real

3:53

school and it has real classes

3:55

and real degrees, but it just doesn't

3:57

seem like a real school. But he is a real point

3:59

guard.

4:01

He is.

4:03

He's what a true point guard?

4:05

That's my boy, He's a true point guard.

4:07

Jeremiah Paulino. Jeremiah

4:09

Paulino. Okay, boys,

4:13

so here's what we're gonna do. Okay,

4:16

each of you, if

4:20

you want to give a take or

4:22

have a or you want to have a

4:24

topic you want to get to, you get one basketball

4:27

and one non basketball. Okay,

4:30

one basketball and one non basketball.

4:33

And you got to keep in mind if you're listening to this podkay,

4:36

Heyes is fourteen, Gauge

4:38

is seventeen, Jeremiah is twenty

4:40

one, about to be twenty two. So

4:43

there's a lot of shit that they

4:45

don't know, but they think they

4:47

know everything, as most people do when they're

4:49

fourteen, seventeen and twenty two.

4:55

No, we don't.

4:56

Well, Gage knows a lot, but it's all anything

4:58

he's read or seen your members. But

5:00

you know, he's only been on this earth for seventeen

5:03

years, so there's just things you don't know. Okay,

5:06

let's start with Jeremiah because he's been asking me to

5:08

do this pod since

5:10

I first met him. Right,

5:14

and as you can attest Hayes

5:18

when I when I asked Jeremiah, whatever, whatever

5:21

topic you want, and he always said, Hayes, what

5:26

he said, Basketball, that's a cool topic.

5:30

We're not coming on here just to roast me.

5:32

Okay, Okay, that's a deep,

5:34

deep topic. Okay,

5:36

So what is the topic you would like to get to, Jeremiah?

5:40

What what are some things that make a

5:42

great point guard.

5:45

To kissing up, kissing up to the host,

5:48

kissing up to the hostel kissing

5:51

up to the host, will do? Is that really what you want to

5:53

talk about? That's really a topic.

5:56

Let him let what wants to talk about.

5:59

I under stand, but I do think there's a portion

6:01

of that where he's like trying to play into my wheelhouse.

6:04

That was a point guard, right, and so like

6:07

just.

6:08

You bro, like you said, you said

6:10

that.

6:11

Guys, you know, our age don't know everything,

6:13

but we think we know everything.

6:15

So why not learn from the

6:17

guys.

6:18

But the idea this is a free flowing Okay, So

6:22

how about this? Who's the for you?

6:25

Who's your favorite point guard playing

6:27

basketball?

6:29

Favorite point guard right now? Yeah?

6:33

I would say

6:37

either Kyrie or

6:41

I really been liking Jamal Murray as

6:43

well.

6:44

Jamal Murray. Okay,

6:49

I'll come back to you, Hayes, who

6:52

is your favorite point guard playing basketball right now?

6:56

I like Shay I think she is a good

6:58

point guard.

6:59

But Chigils Alexander also

7:02

also.

7:03

One more I like to say. Jaylen

7:07

Broun says, you.

7:08

Know, okay, j okay,

7:11

Gage Gottlig.

7:13

I also like Jylen Brussel a lot. Also Darius

7:15

Darland. I like him a lot too.

7:18

Okay, we'll go back to you,

7:20

JP. What about what

7:23

about Kyrie do you like best?

7:26

In terms of him as a pointer.

7:28

It's more on the offensive side than his creative

7:31

ability, just him being able to make plays

7:33

with the ball in his hands, and

7:36

then just him being older, starting

7:38

to like hit the

7:42

end of his career, kind of end of his

7:45

prime where he's able to kind

7:47

of like make plays and start being more of

7:49

like a playmaking before

7:51

he gets to his like.

7:53

Bag, If that makes sense. I

7:57

think he's thirty thirty something,

7:59

you.

7:59

Guys, I guess.

8:02

Yeah, I'm gonna

8:05

get thirty two.

8:09

I don't know.

8:10

I think the answer thirty

8:13

one, thirty one, thirty one, thirty.

8:16

One final answer, yes,

8:18

and then thirty one years old.

8:19

That's correct.

8:20

He's thirty one, but he's what i'd call an

8:22

old thirty one right.

8:24

One.

8:24

He only played one year in college.

8:26

Two.

8:26

He's had injuries literally every

8:29

year. Right he had he

8:31

broke the tow in college. He's

8:35

I mean, he's basically been a mashing it. The knee injury

8:38

was a bad one because that

8:40

was in the NBA finals his

8:42

first year with Lebron and he had

8:44

that mesh put in, and then he had

8:46

a screw in that mesh that ended

8:49

up getting infected. And so

8:51

that's why he missed the postseason that first

8:53

year with the Celtics when they went to the Conference finals

8:55

without him, because he had to take that

8:57

screw taken out hat that meshine taken out anyway,

9:01

So he's kind of an old thirty one because he's had a lot of

9:03

injuries. But okay, and

9:05

then who is the other one? You had Kyrie and and.

9:07

Then Jamal Murray. I was going to get

9:09

into that as well, like just like

9:11

on the other side of the ball, like him

9:13

being able to just be in the right positions on defense,

9:17

like being able to just I

9:20

don't know, I just like the Nuggets defense last

9:22

year.

9:23

I don't think was particularly good defensive player.

9:25

Bro.

9:25

I hate to break it to you, he's just.

9:27

I Q wise though, like just being

9:29

able to understand where he needs to be.

9:31

And I like him as I like him,

9:34

but I would I would just say he's not a great defense.

9:37

Matter of fact, if you remember the NBA Finals, the

9:39

little or or even the against

9:41

the Lakers, the little success the Lakers had

9:44

it was attacking Jamal Murray a lot like they attacked

9:47

Steph Curry, right, kind of same thing. Put him

9:49

on an island. He's

9:52

you said, Jalen Brunson and Shaye,

9:54

what is about Shay's game that you like?

9:56

Well, actually,

9:59

you can start with whoever you want, all

10:01

right.

10:02

So I like Jalen

10:04

Brunson a lot because I

10:06

feel like he's like

10:09

he scores a lot differently than other

10:12

guards his size, and I think that's.

10:15

Kind of cool.

10:15

He's actually really good off the backing

10:17

down and he's a

10:20

great one D one player. He

10:22

knows how to pass the ball when he needs to m

10:25

And I just feel like I get to study

10:28

a lot from him when I watch his clips

10:31

because he's teaching me things that I don't

10:34

see in a lot of other point guards.

10:36

Okay, Gage Gottlieb, you

10:40

like, what do you like about Brunson? Oh,

10:43

kind of the same things, Hey said.

10:44

I think it's it's cool that like he's like

10:46

five or eleven six foot wi shoes

10:48

on operating in the post against like seven

10:50

footers and cooking hot.

10:52

So okay, So you asked JP about all

10:54

these point guards, and the one thing you have

10:57

to you have to respect is that the

11:00

game has evolved, right like the way

11:02

the point guard position was in the eighties

11:05

and seventies, when you were just

11:07

a facilitator, you did have to be a score. I

11:10

mean, look, Isaiah Thomas was a great scorer. Jason

11:15

Kidd was a decent scorer, but a great passer.

11:17

Magic Johnson could score, but also as an

11:19

incredible passer. It's much more

11:21

of a score first position. You'll be a score every

11:24

position, and especially if you're a smaller

11:26

point guard, you'll be able to

11:28

shoot at least, but then score some because

11:31

you know they're going to attack you on the defensive end. If

11:34

we're breaking down all of these guys, Jalen

11:38

Brunson would be the only guy I would say,

11:41

like, that guy is a real point guard. And maybe

11:44

this is unfair to him, but were

11:46

unfair to the others. But to be considered

11:48

like a whatever you consider a true

11:50

point guard. I don't think it's about scoring

11:53

averages as much as can

11:55

you function well on and

11:57

off the ball. If you're a function well off the ball, then

11:59

you're not really a pointer. Sometimes

12:02

by necessity you have to play out the ball. I'd

12:05

say, Jalen Brunson, you got to be able to run a team,

12:07

get a team into your stuff. And

12:09

if you look at what how they're using Shade this year, they're

12:11

going to use him off the ball like he had. He had a

12:14

really good quote I think this week where he's

12:16

like, if Michael Jordan can play off the ball, I

12:18

can play out the ball. Ye, Kyrie

12:23

looks like a point guard, brings the

12:25

ball up like a point guard can

12:27

if he wants to pass like a point guard. But I

12:30

don't know, that's a tough sale for me. And I love

12:32

his I mean, I love his talent. He may be the

12:34

most talented guy to ever

12:37

play the position. It's talent, Yeah,

12:40

I mean he I had a conversation

12:42

once when he was in the Celtics with Brad Stevens

12:45

and Brad was like, I was like, Brad, how come

12:47

he doesn't pass? He's like he can pass. He's a great

12:49

passor he's the best passer I've ever had.

12:51

He just.

12:53

He likes to score. He's always kind

12:55

of been a scoring guard. So I

12:57

mean, look, look, I think most people would consider it. I

13:00

rea point per se, but on

13:02

that team, lucas their point guard. On

13:05

the Lakers, the Bronze their point

13:07

guard you know, I

13:09

mean all these teams, man, I think that's

13:12

gonna be The interesting thing with Dame going forward

13:14

is I think Gianni is as much their

13:16

point guard, although late in games obviously they're going

13:18

to run through Dame because he can shoot. But

13:21

what I love what I love about Brunson and Hayes knows this.

13:23

I think you guys know it is He's not the

13:26

fastest guy, but he gets wherever he wants

13:28

to get to. It's I've never

13:30

seen anything like his ability to get

13:32

shots off. Like you said, Jay Cook, dudes

13:35

in the post, in the mid range and

13:37

you don't know how he I don't know how he does. It's really

13:40

remarkable.

13:42

Huh.

13:42

What do you classify as a point

13:44

guard? Because you said Lebron to

13:47

get.

13:47

To Yeah, I mean, like you said,

13:49

true point guards. I thought Darius Garland

13:51

is a good example of that. Like in today's NBA.

13:55

Is Darius Garland true point guard? Isn't he a shooter? Oh?

14:00

He's like a He's like a Dame Lillard right

14:03

A little bit. He don't do as much. So okay,

14:07

I mean, well,

14:09

I don't think there's many true

14:11

point guards in the NBA, at

14:14

least as starters like TJ. McConnell's

14:16

a backup that kind of. I think Jalen is probably

14:18

the best Truish point guard. He still

14:20

scores about twenty two game right. You

14:24

know, it's it's hardwork with with with Lebron.

14:27

But like when the Lakers need to run something,

14:29

they Lebron has the ball, brings up the courts. That's

14:31

hi up. So I don't know it. It's

14:33

just it's an evolving position. And I think what you

14:36

gotta do is you got to play to your

14:38

strengths and then you

14:40

have to find a coach or a team that

14:43

will build a team around you or put you on a team

14:45

where those strengths fit. I

14:49

don't know if that makes sense.

14:50

To you, guys. I think that makes sense

14:53

to me.

14:55

How many times who's going to touch their hair

14:58

more? Tremiah Hayes or

15:00

Gauge?

15:01

Gauge is

15:05

his hand still in his hair?

15:07

They both really liked their hair a lot.

15:08

Okay, well you might, but I

15:12

honestly, like when I when I was growing

15:14

up, like just being

15:16

a Celtics fan and stuff like that. I know you guys

15:18

hate me for that, but.

15:20

Who hates you hates you?

15:22

What? Because because

15:24

the Lakers fan. I'm in California

15:27

now from Boston.

15:28

I'm not a Lakers fan.

15:30

You weren't, no, okay,

15:33

all right, whatever, but

15:36

just growing up and seeing Rondo, like

15:39

you know that just Rondo

15:41

was just the definition of just a true

15:43

point guard.

15:44

And yeah, Rondo, Rondo

15:46

is probably the last of the dying breeds

15:48

of guys that couldn't score. But again,

15:51

but like, okay, so we take Rondo right,

15:53

they put him, he had four Hall of Famers around

15:56

him, and when he didn't

15:58

have the ball, oftentimes they would

16:00

put him in the dunker spot because he couldn't shoot, but that

16:02

way, but he was a good enough finisher where

16:04

you could throw it to him and you couldn't just clog

16:07

the lane off of him.

16:08

So it's really interesting. I would agree

16:10

with you, like Rondo's kind of the last non

16:12

shooting point guard to win

16:15

an NBA championship or even be on you

16:17

know, viable NBA championship caliber team.

16:19

Studying his teammates, you know, just

16:21

doing the little things, you know.

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16:36

What makes a guy not

16:38

feel good about himself?

16:40

That's a thing can cause you a lot of confidence. Like look,

16:43

I'll say for myself obviously, like

16:45

I lost confidence in my jump shot when I was playing,

16:47

but I've lost conferences as a guy, you

16:50

know when the things are going to be hard

16:52

at some point in your life. You know, you'll lose a job, you'll

16:54

lose a girlfriend, you lose a wife, you lose a relationship,

16:57

you lose a house, a car, you'll lose a

16:59

deal that you try to close it on. And

17:04

yeah, right, no,

17:07

that was that was pretty traumatic. Brand

17:10

new e bikes got stolen by some tweaker.

17:15

Okay, so this is like what

17:18

one and a half or two and a half years ago I

17:21

got. I got the same e bikes I have now, And

17:24

it was literally like the day after Christmas,

17:27

Yeah it was. And so

17:29

Hayes, you know, Hayes, like, I want to care, Let's cut some

17:31

candy, Let's take the e bikes, get some candy. So

17:34

we ride the CBS and I had yet to

17:36

purchase locks, and

17:39

Hayes knew how to do it. So I don't know why I came in the store,

17:41

but We parked the bikes right out front in the little bike

17:44

block sort of area, and then he was taking a

17:46

while and I was sure he's going to buy up the whole store,

17:49

and so I went inside to help him and we came

17:51

out and one of my e bikes was gone, like literally

17:53

had it for forty eight hours. And

17:56

then we put it out on next door. We put it on Twitter

17:58

and Hayes's I was really upset.

18:00

I was more upset with myself, but also that

18:03

like, and I know, Hayes just kind of lived a

18:05

sheltered upbringing, but I just he's

18:08

a The one thing that Hayes has some really

18:10

good virtues. One of him is he's a really pretty

18:12

honest person about stuff like that, Like you would never take

18:14

something of this belonged him, and just

18:17

seeing that, like it's like a violation

18:19

of you, you know, the real world that people

18:22

steal ship right in front of you. You

18:24

just got it as a gift. And

18:27

I think you saw how upset I was. Yeah,

18:31

that was it. That was a tough one.

18:38

Now, can we get like into like

18:40

the reaction and respond

18:43

thing that we talked about, like we like

18:45

a couple of weeks ago, Sure, like

18:48

just because we talked about ourselves

18:50

now, like you know, and we give some advice

18:53

out.

18:53

Okay.

18:53

So hey, I'm gonna give you a scenario and you and

18:56

and you tell them what your advice would be. Okay.

19:00

So let's say you're twelve

19:03

years old, okay, and

19:07

what's been one of the hardest things in your life?

19:11

When you guys divorced.

19:15

It was something I had to come to realize that everything

19:17

happened for a reason.

19:21

Okay, So how do you how

19:23

do.

19:23

You advice would be the instead

19:27

of because I can relate to this lots

19:30

of times when one thing goes wrong, people

19:32

always want like to get away from it

19:35

when one thing becomes hard.

19:37

Okay, what about

19:40

what about when you're a kid and

19:42

your parents split up. What

19:46

is the advice you would give to

19:48

a twelve year old boy?

19:51

One thing is you just got to keep pushing through.

19:54

Also say little

19:56

opportunities and the good things rather

19:58

than that they split up in the bad things?

20:01

Did you did you always? Did you always do that? Have

20:03

you always done that?

20:06

Yeah?

20:06

I just I would look at the bright side

20:09

of things I have in my life that I'd

20:11

say lots of the times that when I when you

20:13

guys divorced, that

20:15

I still have two loving parents, even

20:18

though they're not as correlated

20:21

to each other as they are now. I

20:24

still have two loving parents, and I still have roof over

20:26

my head, and I still oh,

20:29

you know, it's notice. It's

20:31

nothing like, yes,

20:33

we don't live all together anymore,

20:36

but I would say that I

20:39

get a good amount of time spending with

20:41

both of.

20:41

You guys, So I like it, mm

20:44

hmm.

20:46

But you get.

20:48

Oh with me, it's different because like I

20:50

lived with my mom for two years and then

20:52

I decided to move out to Arizona with my dad last

20:55

year, and then we had to

20:57

move again because Rolake

20:59

switching job.

21:00

But why did you why

21:02

did he switch shops gage to

21:04

be closer to the rest of the family. So I mean it makes

21:06

sense, correct, I mean the one

21:09

thing, the one thing, and this is this goes to

21:11

Hayes's point, Okay, is that

21:15

it's really important because I know it's been really

21:17

hard for you to switch schools again, like you

21:19

were just getting to where you had a good setup

21:21

with him at GCU and and

21:25

you know, playing a lot more in Arizona,

21:27

whether your team was good or not. It's always

21:29

better when you're playing. But

21:32

listen, but you got to play. You've got great experience,

21:35

and you improved a lot, and you were

21:37

the best looking at your high school. I

21:39

was okay, But

21:43

the reason he took the job

21:46

is only there's two reasons, and

21:48

they're your sisters, you

21:50

know. And the thing that, like I can tell

21:52

you from my side of it is like, it's

21:55

so hard. Hayes

21:57

is right down the street. When he's not with me,

22:00

it's still hard.

22:02

That was because that kid.

22:03

I slept next to that kid for four years straight,

22:06

literally said, in the same bed

22:08

as the days for more maybe more than four

22:10

years. And before the I slept next

22:13

to him, I had laid in his bed to help him fall asleep

22:15

every night. So what

22:18

you know, what you guys have to realize is

22:20

yeah, you have two incredibly loving parents, but also

22:22

like, hey, we're going through some stuff too where we're

22:24

like we miss you. And so what

22:27

I'm saying, I understand made it harder

22:29

on your life to get it. And

22:32

you had a great set up at GCU and

22:34

everybody loved you there and it was great, and

22:36

it's hard to restart that reform that

22:39

and San Diego is bigger. It's hard to get to the jam

22:41

Center and work out.

22:43

But your dad, your dad did it.

22:45

Your dad did it because he wants

22:47

to be a better dad to your sisters, and that's like

22:50

an honorable thing. So okay,

22:52

So the question is, how

22:54

have you dealt with that? How have you dealt with three

22:57

schools? What's that? What's that?

22:58

Like?

22:58

Three schools in three years?

23:00

Well, technically if we want to get if we want to get technical,

23:02

it's five schools in five years.

23:05

But I mean three different

23:07

high schools.

23:08

Like so yeah,

23:10

I've seen it more as a blessing, Like I get to

23:12

meet way more people, like.

23:15

Just knowing more people.

23:17

I'm like a people person, So I mean just

23:19

like meeting new people is really cool to me, seeing

23:22

like how different people live their lives, how

23:25

it was different in different regions, Like I

23:27

don't know as places I lived, and

23:30

like so many different experiences based

23:32

on.

23:33

Where it is. So you didn't have,

23:36

like Hayes talked about some of the emotions of

23:39

of me and his mom breaking up,

23:42

what about you, You didn't have any of that negativity,

23:44

not as.

23:45

Much mainly because like so

23:47

as my dad as a coach, he's always like he

23:49

was always out of town. It was usually like during

23:52

the season at least, it was a lot of the time just

23:54

like me, my mom and my sister

23:56

is just in the house chilling, you

23:59

know, doing what I ever. So

24:01

like to me, it didn't really like affect

24:04

me that much. I would say, it was just kind

24:06

of the same as normal.

24:08

What about what about when you lived with your

24:10

dad last last year and your

24:12

mom you didn't see your mom very

24:14

often? It was okay because,

24:16

like.

24:19

I mean, me and my mom were close, like

24:21

not as close as me and my dad, but still pretty

24:24

close. And I would still like FaceTime

24:26

with like every week. And I feel like she

24:29

felt like that was enough for her. She understood why I

24:31

moved out with my dad. It was mainly for basketball reasons,

24:34

you know, just get to train with my dad all the time.

24:37

And also because, like I mean, since I'm

24:39

so close with my dad, it's good to like be near him,

24:42

you know. And

24:44

she thought, like my first high school,

24:46

San Clementary wasn't like a great fit for me too.

24:49

What about you, Jeremiah.

24:51

My parents never really got

24:54

married, so basically

24:56

it was me when I grew up, it was just basically

24:59

just being with one at a time, not really

25:01

being with them as from from what I

25:03

remember, I don't remember them being

25:06

together at all really, so it was

25:08

more like, you know, you're just kind

25:10

of just with both parents like one

25:13

at a time, and I

25:15

didn't really understand it until

25:17

like probably maybe a couple of years

25:19

ago, and just like understanding

25:22

like that you have to

25:24

appreciate like every

25:26

little thing, you

25:28

know, just mom my mom working a lot of jobs

25:31

and just trying to put food on

25:33

the table for like kids, and

25:37

just feeling like I had everything, like

25:40

everything was perfect, Like you know, i'd get

25:42

McDonald's after school, and you know,

25:44

it just feel like you had the world given to you, but

25:48

you're not understanding until like you're

25:50

older, and like.

25:51

Seeing how much he actually went through behind the scenes,

25:54

and.

25:54

Then just being with my dad

25:56

just like you

25:58

know, he's really he was really strict with me, like just

26:01

on the little things like being responsible or.

26:05

Like if I get in trouble in school, like I had

26:07

to write on a paper. I don't know. He was

26:09

really disciplined with me, and I feel like it helped

26:11

me. So like my advice

26:14

to like younger dudes, just you know,

26:17

always respect your parents because you never know

26:20

what's going on behind the scenes.

26:23

Bad. Now, what

26:25

would your advice be to people

26:28

of the older age.

26:30

I actually think there is some good advice for that though

26:33

that I've learned, probably the hard way. It's

26:38

actually Jeremiah's advice, only

26:40

in reverse. See

26:43

what happens is you

26:45

start worrying about yourself, right,

26:48

and you're trying everybody tries to. When you get

26:50

to be an adult and you get to be my age, you

26:54

go see a psychologist or a psychiatrist,

26:56

or you go see a life coach whatever, and they

26:58

always talk about you know, you talk

27:00

about fixing you and getting you back on track, which

27:03

is important, right, it really is important.

27:07

But what you have to process is

27:11

that, like everyone around you

27:13

is going through some form

27:15

or effect of what you're going through. For

27:19

example, okay, so and Hayes,

27:21

you can tell me if I'm wrong on this. I mean Hayes

27:24

and I from the time he was probably

27:28

three years old up

27:30

until he had two houses,

27:34

we would get up every morning and do something sports

27:36

together. Right

27:39

when we Turvine Newport,

27:43

Westport, we lived on the beach. We played baseball

27:45

every day. When we had the house at the tennis

27:47

court, we do hoops or football every

27:50

single day. We moved out here. We played baseball

27:52

catch every day, even during COVID.

27:54

We shoot hoops every day, or go surfing every

27:57

day. Literally, I mean

27:59

I could probably count on two hands

28:01

how many days we didn't get up and go do something.

28:04

That's sure.

28:05

I agree with that, right, So then

28:07

so then again. So point

28:10

is though, that Hayes, when you get to be older,

28:13

you think about yourself and you're like, man, I got to

28:15

get I gotta feel better. You start reading

28:17

books, you start talking to people, you start thinking about

28:19

yourself. Meanwhile, you know

28:22

there was a period of time where I

28:24

couldn't get you to do anything or

28:28

and you would be angry towards me. And

28:30

I didn't know why. I didn't understand it because I'm

28:32

like, oho, yo, bro, we're

28:35

good. You know, we hang out.

28:36

This is what we do.

28:37

We serve, we play tennis,

28:39

we play ping pong, we do something every

28:42

day kind of together, right, And it

28:45

ends up building up some sort of resentment or

28:48

anger because in

28:50

the adult's mind, you think,

28:54

I don't have a problem with Hayes, he don't have a problem with me. We're

28:56

good, right, But

28:59

it's Hayes reacting to the

29:02

issues with his parents, causing

29:04

him to be angry, disconnected,

29:08

and part of it was it was just a very different lifestyle.

29:10

And I'm sure part of it was, you know, there's you

29:14

have that you have things going on your life. Again, my point,

29:16

though, Hayes, is just like Jeremiah said that

29:19

as a kid, you've got to realize the adults

29:21

are going through some shit that you may not think

29:23

about. As an adult, you got to realize

29:25

the kids are going through some shit.

29:27

That you may not realize. That

29:29

makes sense that that's so true, right

29:32

because.

29:32

We all again like it's like the it's

29:34

like their girlfriend thing, Hayes, Like if I didn't know, like

29:38

when I walked in that day and you had your you

29:40

had your issue right, and

29:43

when when you had your little deal, like your whole

29:46

body language was different than normal, Like I knew

29:48

something was up, and I

29:50

would be like, what's up of Hayes. But if I didn't ask

29:52

you, or if we didn't have a good enough relationship or hadn't talked

29:54

about it enough, then I

29:56

wouldn't have been able to it's called it empathy. I wouldn't

29:59

have been able to EmPATH ties with you and

30:02

try and help you.

30:03

And I'm grateful that the opportunity to talk

30:05

to him a god about these things.

30:07

And I'm like, when

30:09

we used to wake up and

30:11

do something that I had the opportunity

30:14

to like do things because lots

30:16

of the times people because I.

30:18

Grew up, I grew up on the more fortunate

30:20

side, like a lots of people do grow up

30:23

on the side. Aren't grateful

30:25

enough for that?

30:25

Because I think about that every time because

30:28

I have relationships with people

30:31

who aren't that, and relationships

30:34

with people who are greater than

30:36

where I'm at and less than enough.

30:39

Perfect example, perfect example is this, Okay, for

30:41

example, is your best friend

30:44

that you played fast for with his mamba, right.

30:47

Anthony?

30:48

Yes, yes, Anthony a

30:50

Marico aio. He's

30:54

the Mexican Mambakay.

30:56

Do you know what?

30:56

He couldn't play this weekend because

30:59

he had to work his dad. Okay,

31:02

he's fourteen and he might be still thirteen,

31:05

okay, and he had to work with his

31:07

dad. His dad has his

31:10

taco stand, but they also do catering and

31:12

the job is too big and he has to work all weeknd

31:15

Like that's a real thing for people who really have to work

31:18

and really have to help out the family business, you

31:20

know, and the difference is that he

31:22

would do anything he could, like he would if

31:25

you could schedule eight am games, he would play it, and

31:27

he would grind and he would work. So the

31:30

issue that I would have with you is I love

31:32

that you are grateful for it, but

31:35

it's how do I provide

31:38

for you these opportunities? But then

31:40

you have the same sort of I

31:43

don't know what the word I'm looking for is, like tenacity

31:48

and grit to be a

31:50

grinder even though everything has been handed

31:53

to, opportunity has been handed to where others.

31:55

Had to work for, take an advantage

31:57

of what you have.

31:58

Correct, you got to take it, manage that. You

32:01

know what you have is you don't have a

32:03

lay up ahead of the field, right, but

32:05

you got the ball mid court and everybody else was

32:08

at the free throw line, you

32:10

know, and you got do you want

32:12

to drive and lay the ball in or

32:14

do you want to fuck around with it lose

32:16

it at mid court while everybody else races past

32:18

you. That that's that, But

32:21

anyway, that's the kind of addition to it. I

32:23

have a question for you, guys. Let's lighten this thing up. Okay,

32:27

what is the greatest What is the greatest cereal?

32:29

Of all time. Oh, I

32:37

already had it. We had in the in

32:40

the kitchen this this morning. That's all I know.

32:43

So that's what happened to cinem Intel's crunch all.

32:46

I mean, what the fuck is Youremia coming

32:50

over? That's like crack cocaine, like to

32:53

the dude. What I'm saying that?

32:54

That's my point.

32:54

That's why it's the greatest cereal of all even

32:59

it doesn't matter how he eats it. The fact is he eats it, and

33:01

you ate the last semintoast crunch and you

33:03

didn't say, hey, hey, dude, we need some

33:05

cinnamato CRUs You know how many times eating

33:08

You're missing the point, Hayes. Is

33:11

he Is he getting the point? Is he missing the point?

33:16

I didn't know you were coming.

33:17

I don't know what the point is.

33:18

You didn't know he was coming. Hold on, hold on,

33:21

hold on. You didn't know he was coming. You asked

33:23

me last night. You asked me last

33:25

night.

33:27

Pause, big pause, big

33:30

pause, Oh.

33:31

There you go.

33:32

Pause. You didn't know that he was going to

33:34

stay overnight.

33:37

Mm hmm.

33:40

What's what's the proper response?

33:43

He's missed the point though he didn't get the

33:45

point.

33:45

He didn't miss the point. Heyes, got the point you

33:48

just said him.

33:50

The point is is the greatest

33:53

is the greatest.

33:54

That's the point, thank you, thanks, not the point

33:56

the point.

33:57

Listen, you are then

34:00

you're all entired to your wrong opinion. But I like it. You're

34:03

all entitled to your wrong opinion.

34:04

Okay, but I should have saved some for Hayes.

34:07

No, you don't have to save any

34:09

for anybody. But if you if you know everybody

34:11

likes the cereal, and you eat the last bit

34:13

of the cereal, okay, the two

34:16

things you're supposed to do are one, throw it away

34:19

and the second thing is replace it.

34:22

What do you mean replace it?

34:24

You want advice for kids from an adult perspective.

34:26

If you borrow somebody's car, return

34:29

it with a full tank of gas. If you eat

34:31

somebody's food.

34:32

Greg didn't do that to my dad.

34:34

Still know that first one?

34:37

Then he's a cheap ask Greg.

34:40

Didn't do that to myfucking That

34:44

motherfucker was on.

34:47

Last bar.

34:48

Damn uh.

34:50

Closing statement. Okay, we have closing hot

34:52

takes, sports

34:54

hot ta. Everybody gets one hot

34:57

take, one sports take go get on your own device.

35:00

One closing take. Let's

35:02

start with gage count.

35:04

All right, my hot take for sports, the

35:06

thunder are gonna be a top four seed in.

35:08

The West this year. Okay,

35:14

Jeremiah's laughing at that, laughing

35:18

at that top four seed in the last Jay,

35:21

what's it happen? Why do you think that?

35:24

I think the Funds won't stay healthy. They'll

35:27

probably be like they'll be in that four or five range.

35:29

Okay, there's the Clippers.

35:30

Clippers, they

35:33

also won't stay healthy. Pelicans,

35:36

Pelicans, They're not gonna be able to put it together

35:38

this year.

35:39

Lakers, Lakers.

35:42

Lebron's carrying that team at he's

35:44

damn near seventy years old.

35:47

So uh, timber Wolves, Tea

35:50

Wolves, they're gonna trade

35:52

Cat.

35:53

I hope they trade Cat then they

35:55

have a better chance. No,

36:00

I've always just do my thought for my thought four it right

36:02

now is going to be the Nuggets, the

36:07

Thunder. I

36:09

think the Warriors are going to be good this year again,

36:14

and then I'll

36:17

go Funds my last pick there.

36:22

Thanks so much for listening. Obviously, we went to some places

36:24

that I didn't know where were going to go. But the

36:28

beauty to organic conversations that they're

36:30

just that and I hope you I

36:33

don't know I actually learned a lot about all three

36:35

of them and about what goes on in

36:37

their brain and when

36:39

you become a parent, and when you're around

36:42

kids and players for

36:45

long stretch at the time, you start to really

36:47

get interested in what makes them tick. I hope

36:49

you appreciate it. Thanks to Hayes,

36:51

Gage and Jeremiah for being so open. I'm Doug

36:54

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