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Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball Special

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conversation today. My brother Greg, he's assistant

0:27

coach with the women at San Diego State. Course.

0:30

If you follow me, if you follow his career, you

0:32

know twenty six years he's spent on the men's side.

0:35

Started Cal Poly's say Luisibispo,

0:39

to Sack State, to San Diego State the

0:41

first year that Steve Fisher was there, all the way through

0:43

eight years. They won the league, got to the NCAA

0:46

tournament to Cal Berkeley.

0:49

From cal he went to Oregon State. They

0:51

went to the first tournament first time, and like

0:54

twenty five years he's at Oregon State and

0:57

then switched the women's side at Grand

1:00

Canyon for three years with Molly Miller and

1:02

now he's at San Diego Stay where they're having

1:04

spite injuries a pretty surprisingly

1:07

successful season and they're creeping

1:09

up on twenty wins. So I

1:11

want to get to a couple of topics with him before I do that,

1:14

just kind of react to some of the

1:17

stories of what's going on, and there's

1:19

a This is always an interesting time

1:21

of year because and

1:24

I felt some of the backlash from this for

1:26

the last five years maybe in my career, which

1:28

is I always tried to play

1:30

it straight, not because

1:33

I'm like holier than now, but

1:36

because I just thought that had the best

1:39

longevity, and I thought that's

1:41

the way in which I really want

1:44

people in the media that well they they

1:46

cover college football, like I don't want guys

1:48

just because they cover a league to kiss

1:51

up to that league, or just because he played for

1:53

a coach, doesn't you kiss up for the coach. Or just because that school's

1:55

your rival, doesn't mean you talk shit about that that

1:57

school. So I've always trying to play

1:59

it straight. And I think it's

2:01

fascinating this time of the year where we all

2:03

have our conference affiliations. If

2:07

you're a broadcaster now, I

2:09

was always kind of a floateright and I've never had like one

2:11

true tie. We'll tell you that. For Compass Media,

2:13

they do the Big Ten tournament, we do

2:15

Big twelve games, and then all the different jobs

2:18

I perform. It gets me ready for the postseason.

2:20

But I find it to be fascinating how

2:23

what we pick up on and you

2:25

know, social media is such a powerful,

2:28

powerful force. And

2:31

I'll give you an example. There's a

2:33

Seaton Hall discussion to be had out there

2:35

now. Seaton Hall at the time of

2:37

this recording, I believe, is in third place

2:40

in the Big East. They do have wins over Marquette

2:42

and Yukon at home, and

2:46

they had a nice little winning streak before

2:48

they got blown out by Creighton. I'm

2:51

willing to believe that Seaton Hall has

2:53

improved as a team. They weren't

2:56

fully healthy when they were losing to you

2:58

know, in the midst of a losing street. But

3:01

the point is that it's

3:03

very I find it to be kind of par for the course

3:07

that the ones shouting

3:09

from the mountaintops about Seton Hall are

3:12

either East Coast guys, New York based

3:14

guys, or they cover

3:16

the Big East, whereas the rest of us are sitting

3:18

there going like like, look that their their

3:21

top is really good. But they

3:23

didn't beat anybody of any substance

3:25

in the non conference, they

3:27

have one which I actually

3:29

think would be a quality win over Missouri,

3:31

and you're like, Missouri stinks. I know, but

3:33

the idea is when you're playing an SEC

3:36

team too, that that financially

3:38

they're invested in being good. But

3:40

the bigger issue is, like, it wasn't

3:42

like you scheduled to avoid teams when you played

3:45

Iowa and USC of Missouri and

3:47

these are normally traditionally NCAA tournament

3:50

worthy programs and they just weren't

3:52

this year. And I don't believe you know, you

3:54

scheduled Missouri or USC thinking

3:56

they were gonna suck, but they have. That's

4:00

said, like, look, I

4:02

tweeted out on Sunday that hey,

4:04

it's nice still win streak, but they're beating the bottom of the league.

4:06

You know, let me know what happens when they play the top of the league,

4:09

which is what they have here. You got Creton on the road blown

4:11

out. Now they got Yukon up coming on Saturday. I

4:13

don't think that'll end well. Then they return home for Villanova,

4:15

who have viscerated them, and I

4:17

think you gotta beat Villanova, And then I

4:20

think you got like a DePaul game. Okay, you're gonna win

4:22

that. Then when the game in the Big East Tournament,

4:24

you're probably safe. But you're

4:26

operating this idea. Well, we beat the top two teams

4:28

the league, get home. Congrats. Lots

4:30

of teams have they really have. You

4:35

got to establish a level consistency and

4:37

you got to be able to show you can win on the road. And

4:41

I don't know how the committee evaluates

4:44

November and December this year. I don't

4:46

because teams are not the same. But we've always

4:48

been taught it's your entire body of work. And

4:52

I think Seena Hall is going to challenge that. Well,

4:54

let's get to my conversation. Here's my brother Greg,

4:56

course sistant women's basketball coach at San

4:58

Diego State. Okay,

5:03

so here just a question I have for you. You

5:06

spent like half your basketball

5:08

life of the Mountain West, like half it in

5:11

the PAC twelve. And again,

5:14

like, I don't think that it's been this

5:16

way for a long time. There's been a couple of years where

5:19

it's sort of this year not less

5:21

a better league in the PAC twelve. How does

5:23

that happen your opinion?

5:27

Yeah, I think I think you look at

5:29

I look around, first of all, the Mountain West has

5:31

always had a real commitment to basketball.

5:33

I mean there are more there are more schools

5:35

in cities that really

5:38

support the program. That's why they've always had big

5:40

arenas and the better attendance

5:42

than the Pac twelve.

5:44

But I think you're looking around.

5:46

And you're seeing a lot of schools that have

5:48

a much stronger commitment to basketball

5:51

and an understanding. I think of the

5:54

nil landscape in a they

5:57

were able to capture that faster, you know.

5:59

And then I think, all so you look and I think there's some

6:01

schools that understand

6:03

their identity way better and have

6:05

stuck to who they are in terms of how they

6:08

become successful.

6:10

You know, a program like New Mexico,

6:13

we know, I mean they have tremendous tradition and

6:16

commitment to basketball like that. And

6:19

you know, someone like like Richard Pertino,

6:21

I think he figured it out pretty quickly, like what do

6:23

they need and how are they going to get

6:25

guys? They're kind of guys to

6:27

be successful, you know. But

6:29

you know, Colorado State even, I mean they're really

6:31

good. Utah State's really good. Boise I think

6:33

they've established a level of consistency, you

6:37

know, I'm not even mentioning San

6:39

Diego State. And I think the craziest part about

6:41

it, if you think about it, because there's

6:44

five or six teams, right are you going to go to the tournament?

6:46

And I didn't mention UNLB, which usually

6:49

would be the one that has the strongest commitment.

6:53

Well, I think that's how they got d Dan Thomas.

6:55

But they don't have a you know, it's

6:57

a hard lead, right. It's interesting,

7:00

like the NIL thing, like I've heard Utah

7:02

State is like in the forty grand in terms

7:04

of overall NIL. You

7:06

know, from whatever their collective is. Now, you

7:08

know, guys can make stuff on their own santy. The

7:10

state they lost, you know, they're one

7:13

of their best players to Arizona because

7:15

of you know, like it

7:18

became a bidding war and they're just like, hey, we're not We're

7:20

not there. So I agree

7:22

with you. But there's like you

7:24

look at the University of Washington and

7:27

I don't know what the actual number is, but there's a gigantic

7:29

financial commitment for them in the NIL

7:32

space in comparison to so many teams

7:35

terms of dollars and cents wise in

7:37

the Mountain West that are not nearly at that level.

7:40

And yet again, University of Washington

7:42

this year very average team in

7:44

a very average at best by twelve, Like,

7:47

how does that happen?

7:48

Yeah, I mean I think that's a great example because I think

7:50

you look at Washington State, they're more in the Mount West

7:52

molde of you know.

7:56

You know, Mike Coptons had a lot of success his

7:58

first two years, but really most

8:00

of the kids he inherited from

8:02

Lorenzo Romar and

8:04

then you know, he did a really good

8:06

job of recruiting kids that were highly regarded. But

8:08

I don't know that he ever truly has found his

8:11

identity in terms of how to

8:13

put together the group that he can be successful

8:15

with. And I think you look right right

8:18

over there at Washington State, and

8:20

I mean they probably have the least amount

8:22

of not just nil, but the commitment to, you

8:25

know, on.

8:26

A lot of things budget wise for basketball.

8:29

And I think Kyle's he's figured out whatever

8:31

he had to do to get the kind of guys

8:34

that he can win with. And

8:36

again, I think you're looking around, you

8:40

know, and I think within the PAC twelve,

8:42

I think there's you know, sometimes

8:44

when people with the nil people lose their

8:46

identity too, they start figuring, all right, should we

8:48

take now all of a sudden, we're going to be everybody's in the portal?

8:51

Or are we taking? You know, who are we

8:53

taking? Where are we getting guys?

8:54

Now?

8:55

Forget about recruiting freshmen, you

8:57

know. So I think you're

9:00

seeing again some of the programs that have

9:02

established a level of consistency, they kind

9:04

of.

9:04

Already have their.

9:07

Mold and identity of who they're getting, you

9:09

know, what, what the kids look like, where

9:11

they're where they're coming from.

9:12

And they haven't really truly gotten

9:16

off that path.

9:17

Maybe they've added one or two kids in the portal,

9:19

but they're still recruiting high school kids. They

9:21

still are retaining guys, you

9:24

know, and they and their style of play probably hasn't

9:27

changed that much as well. So you

9:30

know, that's where I see the biggest change,

9:33

you know. I mean, I think even someone like

9:35

Oregon.

9:36

I think Oregon.

9:36

Struggled because they've probably been heavy

9:39

in the NIL and maybe they don't have as

9:41

many guys that really are the kind of guys

9:43

that Dana likes to coach.

9:45

They're just really talented.

9:46

Yeah, there's lots to talk about Dana possibly retiring

9:49

and just because he's he made a lot of money.

9:52

It's not from Morgan what

9:54

a lot of games been new Final four or have done

9:56

with it, you know, and

9:59

the constantly put in together a new team

10:02

is just it's it can

10:04

be hard on guys who like you

10:06

know, it's always better when you have some consistency

10:09

from last year call on.

10:11

Well, I think it's more than more than that.

10:12

There's there's definitely that that's a huge

10:15

piece, like you said, but it's also just getting

10:17

the kind of guys that respond to the way you

10:19

coach, you know, and having you know, you want to

10:21

have that group. You might you might get that from

10:23

a guy or too who's a transfer, you know, but

10:26

it's it's harder, you know with

10:28

some of these guys where you know they don't even realize

10:30

they're not very coachable, you know, they just want to

10:32

just give me the ball, let me go do my things, so to speak,

10:34

and you know, or

10:37

or really are they truly competitive? You know? The

10:39

biggest problem in the in the

10:41

days of taking so many transfers is

10:43

you know, you can you can definitely watch synergy

10:45

clips and see how talented kids are and

10:48

if they can score and all that, but you really aren't going

10:50

to get an idea of what it's like to coach them,

10:52

not just in practice, but in games. Are

10:55

they truly competitive? What kind of teammate are

10:57

they? You know, how well do they think you?

11:00

And I don't know that you're going to get that, you know when you're

11:02

you know, asking their

11:05

previous coaching staff either, So you really

11:07

got to do a good job.

11:09

How do you do that? Well?

11:10

I think the big the biggest thing. It's kind

11:12

of like that, you know what the NBA has done with

11:14

scouting. I mean you uh, you know if

11:17

I would go Historically at San Diego

11:19

State, you know, we never took kids, uh

11:22

transfers that we didn't already recruit, you

11:24

know, so we had a really good feel for these

11:26

guys ahead of time. We knew them from high school.

11:28

We knew them, we knew their AAU coaches, we knew

11:30

all the people. We had seen them play

11:32

multiple times as young kids going

11:35

on up, had them on campus even

11:37

a lot of times. So you know, there wasn't

11:39

that foreign where you're just watching a kid in

11:42

on their video and then making

11:44

a decision based on a one or

11:46

two week courtship, you

11:48

know, makes

11:51

sense?

11:52

Makes sense? What

11:55

about uh just quick

11:57

snapshot in the women's game. Like,

12:01

guys, this is the first time I can ever remember

12:04

dudes like legit sitting down

12:06

and watching and being

12:09

into the women's

12:11

game in Kaitlyn Clark when

12:14

you're coaching women's basketball. How much of that you

12:17

know in terms of I mean, she comes

12:19

down, she's like Steph, dude, she's pulling. And

12:22

I know Sabrina was like that a little

12:24

bit too, But maybe it was because it's an

12:26

organ and didn't have the power of the big ten days,

12:28

because she didn't go to the national championship game. It

12:31

just didn't feel like it was as much of

12:33

a thing as the

12:36

Caitlin Clark thing is in

12:38

your world? Now, how much

12:40

of a thing? How impactful is

12:42

she?

12:43

Oh, I mean, she's definitely obviously

12:45

impactful. I think it's really more or less

12:47

about my world. I just think in general, like you

12:50

just said, the fact that you have everybody

12:52

that's very

12:54

aware and watching, there's a lot of eyes,

12:56

you know, But I think she's not the only one. I

12:58

mean, and I'll you you go to

13:00

out West and you look at I think it's interesting

13:02

because you talked about we were just talking

13:04

about the PAC twelve for men's basketball,

13:07

where the PAC twelve. For the women's basketball's got

13:09

I think six teams that are ranked in the top twenty.

13:12

I mean there's a and record

13:15

crowds at some of these games.

13:17

So I do think there's the interest

13:19

in women's sports overall has grown,

13:21

and I think the respect for the women

13:24

as athletes has grown. And

13:26

I think some of it starts too with how

13:28

much the you know, the men's basketball.

13:30

You look at some of the NBA players and you

13:33

know, you see them coming to the w NBA games or

13:35

to even to the college games, people

13:39

like Steph Curry having you know, the

13:41

three point.

13:41

Contest, you know, with Sabrina.

13:43

I think that all those things are showing that, you

13:45

know that if pro athletes

13:48

respect those female athletes, why

13:50

wouldn't the average guys sitting

13:52

at home?

13:54

You know?

13:54

And I think, honestly, sometimes you

13:57

know, men's basketball in general is a little

13:59

bit watered down, hasn't been the same product that

14:01

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14:03

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go through. Let's go through. The rules are different, okay,

14:35

sir? Fourth quarter to ten minutes, right,

14:39

five fouls each quarter for the bonus.

14:42

Right, it's the double bonus or

14:44

it's always double bonus.

14:46

Now it's uh, it's

14:49

a good even question. But I think it's just automatically

14:51

two free throws. My mind's blanking on that

14:53

one.

14:54

Good. I'm apprecire, which is that I don't know

14:57

the word is. I don't know. You need to google, you

14:59

die jogle on the old iPad,

15:02

whatever you do it.

15:03

But but the point is, and

15:05

then.

15:05

What's the what's the last minute? What's the what's

15:08

the rule on the vent?

15:09

Timeout? Advance in the last minute?

15:11

As long as you just like the NBA, if you call a timeout

15:14

without moving or on a made basket

15:16

or on a rebound without uh, you know, either

15:19

taking a dribble or passing, you can time

15:21

out advance. So it totally changes

15:23

the game because in the last minute of the

15:25

game, a ten point lead is

15:27

not a guaranteed secure if you know,

15:29

and so it also changes when you use your

15:31

timeouts. So there's a lot of strategy involved

15:34

there as well as the end of game. So we

15:36

were just talking. You know, you just look last night

15:38

two games in the Mountain West. Uh,

15:41

there was game deciding plays.

15:43

Right Justin lost to Utah State. Guy

15:45

hit a three with one point three

15:48

seconds to go.

15:49

Why didn't they fall?

15:51

Well, I'll tell you that, you know, I don't know that

15:53

for sure. But one of the problems Justin has is

15:55

he's down. He's down to six scholarship

15:58

players. He started five guards. So it's very possible

16:00

that he said, you know what, if I fiul right

16:03

now, they might be able to easily

16:05

win the game on an offensive rebound because we got

16:07

a bunch of sixty three guards. I don't

16:09

have anybody who's gonna block out there and come over the top

16:11

of us, you know. So there's a

16:13

lot of other strategy that could go into that

16:16

on the upside downside. But the

16:18

point is, they hit a shot with one point three seconds,

16:21

Well, if you have a time out in

16:23

timeout advance one point three seconds. That's enough

16:25

time to get a shot on a sideline out of

16:27

bounds.

16:29

When you when you when you advance,

16:31

when you advance under a minute,

16:34

but like fifty seconds ago, does it cut

16:36

the shot clock? Because like a diva, if

16:39

you advance, it cuts to the shot talk to fourteen. Do

16:41

you know that role?

16:42

Either you know that

16:46

part? That part I don't

16:48

know. I don't even know.

16:49

I haven't even paid attention to that, but that but it's

16:51

really doesn't even matter because you're

16:54

you're you're usually doing it because

16:57

they're either you're either doing it on the when

16:59

you're down to try and score you know, quicker

17:02

and shave time off the clock, so you're shot

17:04

clocks on an issue, or you're doing it because you

17:06

don't want to go the leak to the floor and you know, uh,

17:09

like they're going to press you so you get the ball inbounds

17:11

and then you know they're going to value you.

17:13

Know, So those are the reasons why you're going to do

17:15

it, But

17:18

it also means you've got to there's a whole

17:21

other level of uh, you know, coaching

17:23

and strategy that goes into all those things.

17:26

Gets yet the Mounts.

17:28

Yeah, you know, And it's

17:31

funny because in the in the Florida Atlantic

17:33

San Diego State game in the in

17:35

the semi finals, you know, Florida

17:37

Atlantic called the time out and

17:39

there their last offensive possession of the

17:41

game, and UH allowed

17:45

not only Dutch to put in his defensive

17:47

lineup. But I remember sitting

17:49

next to somebody and I said, you know, women's

17:52

basketball, they have so many more

17:54

sideline out of bounds. You

17:56

know they're gonna they're much more efficient

17:58

at getting the ball inbounds or running their action, whereas

18:00

in men's basketball, you don't have that many sideline out

18:03

of balance, and they might have struggle

18:05

to get it in. And sure enough, if you recall, they

18:07

had to call a time out another time out to

18:09

get the ball in and barely got it in. So

18:13

you know, those are those are real

18:16

things. And I think again,

18:18

you watch in the NBA, they do it all the time. And

18:21

I think one of the other things it does

18:23

is it allows more close games, which

18:26

you know, people, that's why they did the elam

18:28

ending in the tv T. I mean, people want to see

18:30

closer games. They want to see things that you know, come down

18:32

to the wire game winning shots and when

18:35

he plays, and

18:37

there's definitely more strategy. So I think,

18:40

you know, it's crazy that really

18:43

college men's basketball is the only one that's

18:45

still playing halves.

18:47

No one else.

18:48

There's no other game that where they're doing that.

18:51

And I think it has more to do with media timeouts

18:53

and how many you get at it a math

18:55

on that maybe they get one extra timeout in there, but

18:58

you know.

19:00

You could still figure out a way to do it.

19:02

So you get with the twelve,

19:04

the sixteen, the twelve, the

19:07

eight, the four, So you get four timeouts,

19:09

right.

19:10

And I think I think you

19:12

get one. I'm

19:15

not talking about that, I'm talking about the first I think time

19:18

out what is the media as well or something, But

19:21

in in in women's in

19:23

women's basketball, it's it's you get

19:25

one at the at the five minute

19:27

mark, and then obviously the quarter is going

19:29

to be a time out as well, and then

19:32

you get the first one in the second half

19:35

is automatically a media

19:38

that you call, someone calls, so

19:40

you do get that. But I

19:42

think that again, strategy

19:45

as far as the game goes and all the other

19:47

stuff, it totally changes, because like you talked

19:49

about, whether you're in the bonus or not and it resets.

19:52

And because

19:54

I you know, I think you know, you see in some games

19:57

early in the second half or something and the

20:00

team gets in foul trouble Earli

20:02

they're in the bonus in seven

20:04

fouls, and you

20:08

know it's that becomes a long game for a team

20:10

that's in the bonus. Whereas you get

20:12

you do get the ability to reset. Now, the other side

20:14

of it is if you can get a couple of quick fouls

20:16

and you can get in the bonus fast in a quarter.

20:20

So but I think

20:22

it makes a huge difference in the way the

20:24

games played, especially

20:27

at the end. And

20:29

it's crazy that everybody's

20:32

in denial over why they that they shouldn't

20:34

do it. You know again, I'm

20:36

looking right now just last night with Jared Lucas

20:38

in a half.

20:39

Court shot for Nevada. It was a hell of a shot.

20:41

But I mean in a normal game that

20:43

you time out advance right there and

20:45

you're running a set play from half court, you've got plenty

20:47

of time. And same

20:50

thing even for you know, probably

20:52

both those ending game that that shot that you

20:55

tuss eight needed, they're running a

20:57

side line out of balance to get a shot,

21:00

not running a full court play that

21:03

ends up in a hail Mary.

21:04

I don't know. I like the I like the fever

21:06

rules. The best to be honest with you, and

21:10

you know that one is it's

21:13

it's quarters. You

21:16

can't call live ball timeouts.

21:21

You also, when you're gonna call a timeout, like you turn,

21:24

you just do it to the table, which I love

21:26

because getting these guys attention and

21:29

oh yeah, by the way, it's like it's kind of an impossible

21:31

ask to get somebody's attention during the game anyway,

21:33

right when they're actually doing their job. But

21:36

I like the you asked the table for it. I

21:39

like the fourteen second I like twenty

21:41

four second shot clock honestly, which

21:44

I'm that's that's not something that previous

21:46

to the last five six years I would have said.

21:49

I like the twenty four second shot clock. I like the fourteen

21:51

second reset on the offensive rebound. They

21:54

have the advance. I

21:57

think at any time you could advance, but

22:00

if you do, you get you know, fourteen on the clock,

22:03

and then their deal is

22:05

you get I

22:08

think three timeouts a half, but only

22:11

two under the last two minutes,

22:14

so you just don't get like time out of time out.

22:16

Now that The problem with actually the Fever game is it

22:18

moves too fast, believe

22:20

it or not, Like it really goes too fast because now

22:22

they don't have they don't always

22:24

have the built in media timeouts.

22:26

I just think you do the fever rules the timeouts

22:29

at the five, you know, and

22:33

I'm just surprised that they can't make it work. I'm

22:35

guessing it's that extra timeout that you get because

22:39

that's super valuable real estate. But

22:42

there's got to be a way to work around that, you

22:44

know, extend halftime. I don't know, throwing

22:47

an extra timeout and each half its

22:50

gonna be that hard.

22:51

Well, you'd make one of your time out one time

22:53

out each half a media or something automatically

22:55

either, which is the first one that people call, you

22:58

know, that kind of thing.

22:58

But I mean there's ways around it.

23:01

I mean, I just think people get

23:03

stuck in not seeing it if you haven't done

23:05

it, you know. So,

23:09

I mean, I think I think it'd be would

23:11

be interesting to see how people manage

23:14

that. But it definitely

23:17

changes the strategy of the game and how it's

23:19

being played, and not just that, but obviously

23:21

how you prepare, you know. Uh

23:24

So, I mean I watched so many game

23:27

winning plays, and in the NBA as well

23:29

as in women's basketball,

23:31

where that you know, there's there's you

23:33

got to you.

23:34

Got to have all kinds of timeouts.

23:36

I thought actually a couple of weeks

23:38

ago, Oregon

23:41

State beat U

23:43

c l A. Organ State women beat U

23:45

c l A. And they

23:48

had one point one and they had two timeouts

23:50

left, and they called it. They ran a

23:53

sideline out of bounds and

23:55

and they didn't like what they got, and they called

23:57

another time out, and it was I mean, again, those

24:00

things, Yeah, maybe maybe you're able

24:02

to do that regardless in a

24:04

huddle, but I think because

24:07

someone like Scott Rook or women's basketball

24:09

coach has the experience or an NBA

24:12

coach has the experience of

24:14

having done it so much that they know, hey, we got

24:16

another time out, so if you don't like it, just call another call

24:18

one and we'll set up a second play. So they

24:21

didn't like what they got, and they set up a second

24:23

play and ended up

24:25

hitting the game winning three. You know, and those

24:27

are two ranked teams, and that was a big

24:30

win for Oregon State. But

24:33

again, those are I mean, those things come with

24:35

experience of having been in those situations so

24:38

many times, you know, at least

24:40

as the coach, and then

24:42

preparing your team for that kind of stuff.

24:45

Sideline out of bounds philosophy, what's

24:47

your do you have any

24:49

like hard and fast? We can't

24:52

do anything without this.

24:56

Well, the first thing is you've got to make sure you

24:58

think about all the other things. But you got to figu out who's going to

25:00

pass. You know, the person taking the

25:02

ball out of bounds might be the most important person

25:04

again.

25:05

Right right, most important

25:07

most important person person thinking the ball bounds.

25:09

Second most important person is who's gonna

25:11

catch it?

25:12

Yeah, dependent you know, and I think

25:14

then you then you where about everything else?

25:16

So do you are you like a I want a

25:18

bigger, bigger person taking the ball of the bounds?

25:21

Well, my best passer, even if they're a point

25:23

guard and they're small, Like what's

25:25

the philosophy?

25:27

Yeah?

25:27

Again, all those things you got to you want to prepare

25:29

ahead of time too, to know, all right, at the end of

25:31

the game, do they put someone on the ball, do they have them

25:33

off or then man the zone? You

25:35

know, all the different things that you know, and what are you

25:38

going to do if there's two seconds? What if you do if

25:40

there's four seconds? What if you know you

25:42

have to have a you know, do we need

25:44

a two? Do we need a three? There's a

25:46

lot of different things that go into that too. So

25:48

that's what I'm saying, You're going to have to have a

25:51

handful of plays. You're gonna have to make sure

25:53

your team understands, you know,

25:55

what we're trying to accomplish, how much time we have,

25:59

you know, all those different things really

26:02

go into effect. But I think it starts. You've

26:04

got to figure out who's going to take it out, you

26:08

know, and because you can't and it's no different

26:10

if the ball's baseline baseline out of bounce.

26:12

But again, and

26:14

you know, on the sideline is because you're calling a timeout

26:17

on purpose, So you're going to put that person in there

26:19

strategically, So you definitely

26:21

have to have someone who's going to be there in that situation.

26:24

And then obviously, you know what

26:26

happens if you know, you work on all these things,

26:28

and what happens if a key guys out because he fouled

26:30

out now now now it changes everything

26:33

too, obviously, right,

26:35

So and then same thing, do you if you're if

26:38

you're if it's a two point game, are you trying to force

26:40

people to value you know, are you're going for three?

26:43

What are you trying to get accomplished in those things?

26:46

So and you know, uh, sometimes

26:48

that happens. You got you know, you got to work on situations.

26:50

But I think sometimes too, you you know, as

26:53

the season goes on, you're going to be in those situations.

26:56

But I think again, because

26:59

of the ability to time out advance,

27:01

you're going to be in those situations so much more,

27:03

not just because you can do it, but because everyone

27:05

will. Because you know, you

27:08

can catch up with people if you're if you're down

27:10

you know, seven, eight, nine points, you could still come

27:12

back. You know, you could you know, run

27:15

a sideline out of bounds, hit a three foul

27:17

immediately, you know, call another

27:19

time out. And also you know you can you

27:22

can make up a lot of ground in a lot less time. So

27:27

which is the other reason why I think that I love

27:29

the elam ending thing. I mean, they're never going to do that in

27:31

college basketball, but I think it's fun to

27:33

see how that stuff can work too, because you got to win on

27:35

a game winning shot.

27:39

Yeah, I just I mean, I just value

27:41

time and score. I mean that's part of what separates

27:44

what separates basketball

27:46

from from anything else.

27:49

And then just score and score.

27:52

You know, well you just have you have

27:54

to do it and have done it before. But I think

27:57

you're right. But from the you're also never

27:59

out of it. So if you're in a game, uh,

28:02

and you're down fifteen or whatever, you know you could

28:04

still come back because if you get stops and you

28:06

got to win a shot.

28:07

So it changes the game.

28:09

Like you said, time and score, you can't just hold the ball, but

28:12

now now you got to get a shot. You know, you got

28:14

to score to win two. So you

28:17

know that makes them just changes the way the

28:19

game's played.

28:20

You know, no question, you're talking

28:22

to the guy who authored the greatest comeback in the history

28:24

of tvt right down twenty

28:26

six to New Mexico right

28:30

to Team Enchantment. And

28:32

they had never seen a diamond press, but they impressed. They didn't

28:34

prepare for a diamond press. But the one

28:36

thing about the elm ending is it's a lot like pickup ball,

28:39

right where you know the target score number. It's like,

28:41

oh, we need is we need a six? Like

28:43

dude two threes? Right, instead of just thinking

28:45

like man three, two's into the

28:47

game, you know, or you're it's it's

28:49

three to it, so he just heed taking three.

28:51

Yeah, So that's that's that's again,

28:53

that's just the figuring out the strategy. I mean,

28:55

we're all in that thing where you know, same

28:57

thing. I mean, if you're if you're down three with

29:00

thirty seconds to go and you have if

29:02

you have the ball, even if you didn't have any timeouts,

29:04

if you're down three with thirty seconds to go, I mean,

29:06

in all likelihood, I mean, if

29:09

you'd ask ninety percent of coaches, I'm

29:11

not going for three. I'm trying to get to the basket

29:13

and I'm gonna try and extend the game when

29:16

they don't want to foul, and I'm gonna try and get a layup.

29:18

I'm gonna try and get something going to the rim,

29:21

and then i'm gonna, you know, set my press up

29:23

or whatever.

29:23

I'm going to try and foul and.

29:25

Then we're gonna we're gonna keep going.

29:26

We're going to play that.

29:27

Way, you know. Now some people say, well,

29:29

if we're on the road, this, that and the other. But i mean it's

29:31

all time and score dictated like

29:34

to your.

29:34

Point, right, right

29:38

yep, So yep, yep.

29:40

Regardless, I just think there's those

29:42

are all things that can make the game more fun than

29:44

people watching. You know, obviously, you know how

29:47

many people turn off the game when there's

29:49

if it's you know, a twenty point lead.

29:51

You know, now in the NBA, how many times

29:53

you turn off the game there's a twenty point lead

29:56

in the you know, the beginning of the

29:58

fourth quarter, and then you're saying, wait,

30:00

what happened?

30:01

They won?

30:03

You know, so it happens,

30:05

I mean won, that's more time. There's a little

30:07

more time in the NBA. But you know, twenty point leading the

30:09

NBA is not secure, so

30:11

it's totally true.

30:13

But again, that's also a twelve you know,

30:15

twelve minute, twelve minute quarter and

30:19

twenty four second shot.

30:21

So you know, there's a there's a certain kind of

30:24

there's a certain math to it. Okay,

30:27

so you're back in the Mountain West. Okay,

30:31

give me, is there a place like when

30:33

I go to Albuquerque, I

30:35

always go to I think it's called

30:37

Satellite Coffee and

30:40

they have a

30:42

Mexican latte which is freaking good. It's called

30:44

like cinnamon in it, a little spicy.

30:48

Give me, give me a place that you hit

30:50

back up now being back in the Mountain West. You're like, man,

30:52

I have been here forever. When you

30:54

get theady like this is still here, that's

30:58

a great question.

30:59

But honest, I mean you're talking you're not talking

31:01

about a lot of I mean you'd say

31:03

Vegas. We haven't been to Vegas yet.

31:06

You know, Fort Collins is that there's

31:08

a really nice hotel that we stayed at in Fort Collins

31:11

that I don't think it existed when I

31:13

was there, and it's right downtown, so you get

31:15

a wave different feel for Fort Collins. That

31:18

was really pretty cool. I think that was

31:20

really pretty cool. But you know, we

31:22

didn't have a spot New Mexico

31:24

actually, and I can't remember the name, but there was a I

31:27

was out here a couple of weeks ago recruiting

31:29

and I kind of fell into

31:31

this coffee shop that's that's really good

31:33

and I can't remember the name. It's not the place you're talking

31:35

about, but it's one of those places where they got a

31:39

really good, you know, a handful

31:41

of like foreign

31:44

coffees and they do a drip cup

31:46

and it was really a cool, really

31:48

cool vibe, good spot and I

31:51

would totally go back. So

31:54

that place was pretty cool.

31:56

Way you're there, now you're not going back because you don't

31:58

know where it is.

32:00

I just don't.

32:01

I don't have time and I don't have a car,

32:04

so you know, I'm not gonna have the bus take me.

32:06

But yeah,

32:10

but no, uh uh,

32:13

you know. And then there's some teams that weren't in the Mountain

32:15

West. I mean Nevada, San Jose State and Fresno

32:17

weren't even in the Mountain West when I was in the league.

32:20

Many moons Ago, nor both Boise, so I had

32:22

Actually that's the first time I played at Boise was this year.

32:25

Cool Boise is another cool spot.

32:27

Yeah, and they got and actually they had a pretty good crowd

32:30

for our game. I was impressed. So

32:33

really, that's I just named four teams that weren't even in

32:35

the Mountain West. And obviously ut Wuyu aren't

32:37

in the league anymore. The best

32:39

part about Laramie, Wyoming they got a

32:41

nice hotel. Now they didn't used to have that. You know,

32:43

you stay in that motel.

32:45

That arena's cool, by the way. I love what they did to

32:47

that place.

32:49

Yeah, it's a nice arena. I think it's kind

32:51

of weird how they that one little angle

32:54

there's with the seats. It's

32:56

a little a little odd, but great

32:59

fans, great crowd,

33:02

you know, and you have to kind of go there at least to

33:04

experience it regardless, you know. So

33:07

and obviously the pit is historic

33:11

and so that that's always cool. You know,

33:13

we're gonna we're gonna go there today for shoot

33:15

around and you know we got to do the roll the ball up the

33:19

up the ramp, see who can get to the top. Yeah,

33:21

I mean that that's pretty much a given standard

33:24

issue, right Okay.

33:25

Yeah, it's just like Wyoming

33:28

where they have the altitude on the court and

33:30

then right before you walk out, you know, be

33:32

hazardous to your health.

33:34

That's great, I mean play the mind game,

33:37

yeah, totally, totally, you know, I

33:39

mean there's so there's a there's a lot

33:41

of cool spots.

33:42

I think the best part is just seeing.

33:46

You know, definitely the there's

33:48

a you really appreciate the

33:51

level of interest in basketball, you

33:53

know, in the Mountain West. I think all you gotta

33:55

do is just see the arenas, even in the or

33:58

and they all have practice facilities and

34:00

you know that are really nice.

34:01

And so there's definitely been a commitment.

34:04

Same thing, you know, Utah State that was the first time

34:06

we played it, I played at Utah State was this year they

34:08

weren't in the league either, and obviously they

34:11

have.

34:13

Great commitment there as well. So I mean, there's a there's

34:15

a lot of cool spots justate.

34:17

It's interesting because it's so they have that the s

34:19

the center is really nice. The arena

34:21

is perfect, like really nice. But like, dude,

34:23

you got to redo those seats, the seventies

34:26

seats, and

34:28

it's a big thing for them to like, well, it's kind

34:30

of always our thing, like just take out the seats,

34:33

put in blue seats. It'll be amazing.

34:35

You know.

34:36

Yeah, you're probably right, except for when the you

34:38

know, when they got to sell out. No one

34:40

knows what the color of the seats are anyway, so you

34:42

know, I mean I always say the best arenas are

34:44

the packed ones.

34:45

You know.

34:45

There's plenty of games that I played in when there's no.

34:47

There's there's a lot of fans dressed as seats

34:50

in some of these other games, you know. So,

34:53

and I think that's really one of the other advantages

34:55

the Mountain West has is they don't lose a lot of home games.

34:58

I mean, you look around on the men's side, you

35:00

got how many teams have twenty wins

35:02

right now? Twenty plus, you know, and you look at

35:05

the PAC twelve and you go, how many teams have twenty

35:07

wins? It's crazy. How

35:09

many teams in PAC twelve have fifteen wins right now

35:11

or less?

35:12

You know.

35:13

But also I was not even

35:16

close in attendance wise, So I

35:18

mean it's not an advantage.

35:19

You know, you used

35:21

to be. Stanford just be a really hard place to

35:23

go and play in terms of crowd wise. I mean,

35:26

no one goes to the Stanford games right now, you know, I

35:28

mean nobody. And you

35:31

know, no one goes to the cow games.

35:33

They just started finally getting some good crowds.

35:35

They've had a couple of them, but not really, not

35:37

all of them. But you know, and I'm just

35:39

giving you a couple of examples, but those

35:42

are places where, like you know, it should be hard

35:44

to play. But I mean, if you go in

35:46

the Mount West, I mean, they're they're drawn like crazy,

35:50

and really I mean, and you

35:52

know, obviously can talk about all

35:54

of them, but still in the Mount West, the

35:56

best place to play is still you know, San

35:59

Diego st facts. So

36:02

it's hard to be hard to beat, all.

36:06

Right, man. Thanks to my boy Greg.

36:08

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36:11

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