0:06

Hey, what a welcome, And I'm dog gotdie. This

0:10

is all ball, and it's an all ball all the time

0:12

of year.

0:12

Right.

0:12

We're getting ready for

0:17

the NCAA tournament for champion Week, and

0:19

we're gonna try and pump these out as often as possible.

0:21

So we

0:24

got this thing out Saturday morning,

0:26

beginning a championship week. Do Carolina

0:29

tonight, I'll be on the call for Westwood

0:31

one. So what I'm gonna try and do is

0:33

give some sort of pod probably tomorrow. The breakdown

0:36

of the two teams. Obviously

0:38

got Kentucky, Tennessee got all this other

0:40

you know, rivalry games, I guess

0:43

that are taking place nationally. You have Kansas

0:45

taken on Houston. I know it's on a rivalry,

0:47

but its two best teams in

0:49

the Big Big twelve. Iowa State fans,

0:52

relax, I know you exist, not

0:54

pretending like you don't exist. But Kansas

0:56

has been the better program, even thyre not the better team

0:58

this year. Whatever, anyway I

1:02

wanted, there's a couple of things I want to want to

1:04

get in on here.

1:05

First.

1:06

Let's start with is

1:08

it Masacon? Is that? What it is? Whatever

1:10

it is? The

1:13

Camden High School's coached by Malik Wings

1:17

and Malik obviously was a superstar high school

1:19

player, was a

1:21

really good player at Nova during

1:23

the really I

1:25

think during the kind of dark years there

1:28

for Jay Wright and I understand

1:30

that we're all the super

1:33

competitive buds. You

1:36

can't be as good a player as Malik was

1:39

if you aren't just a super competitive and

1:41

I understand that all of us are like, hey, man, shit

1:43

happens. It might look bad,

1:46

it might feel weird, but

1:48

the reality is it's

1:51

not always. Nothing is fair. Bear's

1:55

never had anything to do with it, but

1:59

I can't believe that.

2:02

Plus, there's a little bit of positive there's

2:05

a lot of positive equity that could have been gained

2:08

from Malik had he just said, hey, we're

2:10

not going to go play that championship game because

2:13

we didn't win the previous game. For

2:16

that simple we didn't win the game. And

2:19

I know that there's fifty to fifty calls sometimes

2:21

even sixty forty or seventy thirty calls that

2:24

don't go your way in

2:26

sports, and we

2:28

could go back and say, well, if this call changed, the whole

2:30

game change, you're right, But here's

2:33

a definitive if that

2:35

ball goes in and counts

2:38

which it did. The

2:41

other team wins the game, period

2:43

stop. So I don't

2:45

know how you reconcile that, like our

2:48

team is still playing when, especially

2:51

the high school level, do

2:53

you want to win a state championship? Hell yeah,

2:56

but you didn't actually win the game. So

2:59

I don't know except that one

3:03

other high school thing. And this is again it'll

3:05

sound near and dear in my heart, but so

3:07

as some of you know, we had him on last year, we

3:10

have pop on him this year. Brian mount Naughty is

3:12

one of my best friends. He's the head coach at O Wassow

3:14

High School. His son Jalen is

3:16

the star sophomore at A Wassow and they're playing

3:19

tonight. This is Saturday night, first

3:21

state championship against two time defending

3:23

six A state champion Edmund North. It's

3:25

a good program, by the way, really really good program.

3:30

And they

3:32

played the semi finals on

3:36

it was yesterday. It was Friday at nine

3:38

am,

3:41

nine am. And when I put it out there

3:43

on social media, we're like, oh yeah, we got

3:45

ten am games. Whatever are

3:47

you fucking serious? Who

3:49

were these fucking clowns making these schedules

3:51

for high school kids? I

3:55

understand if there's no greater your

3:58

doing, your performing the job

4:02

that you are ill equipped for, and

4:05

you need to either hire outside people

4:08

or just do a better job of finding somebody

4:11

inside your beltway that knows

4:13

what they're doing. Because

4:16

there is no world in which

4:18

that's a good decision. Here's

4:21

the defense of those types of decisions. Well,

4:24

we have the arena. It's expensive,

4:27

so we got to get all the games in one day, and

4:32

you know, we want to make sure the girls and the small

4:34

schools get their due, get

4:36

their time, so they likely

4:38

play it at night those games. And

4:41

here's my advice on that. Okay,

4:45

I'm not going to again. If we're

4:47

about everybody getting a fair shot and playing

4:49

at the right time, fine, that

4:53

means for example, Oklahoma, I forget what they're

4:55

on care they have an on campus arena. It's really cool.

4:57

I just wish joke is togleon. You know, they're trying to get

4:59

this new entertainment center built

5:01

in downtown Norman, nine thousand seat

5:04

arena. You know, get them on par with

5:06

everybody in the SEC with one of these small, brand

5:08

new arenas like Auburn, like Old miss

5:10

whatever, but and

5:12

a little bit bigger than the size of Baylor. That's

5:15

all great, but they have a little on campus on

5:18

campus arena. Heay, perfect

5:20

for girls, per for small schools,

5:23

literally perfect, perfect

5:27

lay there, you can play at two sites at

5:29

once. You can extend

5:31

it and pay some money, but you're not going to make

5:33

any money if your big schools

5:36

are playing at nine am,

5:39

three hours, two hours from their campus.

5:41

It's just dumb, right,

5:45

just dumb. It's a lot like when

5:47

you're coaching, you just if you can eliminate

5:49

dumb shit, you have a better

5:51

chance to be successful. That's some dumb

5:53

shit, right,

5:56

inarguably dumb shit. Having

6:00

six eight teams, a couple of the best teams, the biggest

6:02

schools in the state. But even that, Like again

6:05

I'm okay with we

6:07

want to protect the small schools and the girls basketball

6:09

and have them play in primetime out as well.

6:11

Fine, you don't need to

6:14

have them play in the big arena. Nobody goes

6:16

to waste of money. You know,

6:19

wasys the facility. But

6:22

Jesus is this stupid? It's

6:25

not that hard. And then look, one

6:28

more issue there is you

6:31

got a lot of state titles. You

6:33

know you're gonna have six in Oklahoma like that a

6:35

lot, not a ton of people in the state

6:38

last state titles. But if you're gonna have it, that's fine.

6:41

And we're gonna have all these other state titles for

6:43

these smaller programs, so they compete because the bigger

6:45

schools in Oklahoma, you know,

6:47

the and OASA is pretty big. It's

6:50

like three I think three thousand students whatever.

6:52

But you know, you get Jinks in Union and somebody,

6:54

they're like four or five thousand students.

6:57

And you know, if you have five hundred

6:59

students, like, how we compete with that? We can't

7:01

compete, I understand. So

7:05

if we're gonna have smaller schools, they'll be fine

7:07

with not playing in the big arena,

7:10

you know. And part of it is there's

7:13

you know, they're going to redo the state fair arena as

7:15

well. There's other issues. I don't give a shit.

7:17

You got to be smarter than a six am game,

7:21

a nine am excuse me, nine am game. Again,

7:24

it's not just about I don't want to get up

7:26

like that's going to be the

7:28

last basketball game. That

7:33

probably ninety percent of the kids. That's

7:35

just again, stop doing stupid shit.

7:38

That's stupid shit. We're gonna

7:40

welcome in Jeff Goodman, who if you haven't seen

7:42

it. Goodie and I we do a We

7:44

do a show on Stadium

7:46

daily called Goodman Versus Gottlib. It's

7:49

pretty cool. We enjoy doing it. And

7:51

we're just gonna He's driving,

7:53

I'm driving. We're just going

7:56

to talk coaching

7:58

jobs go around the country and mostly

8:00

all high major coaching jobs. I think you'll

8:02

like that discussion, super O gain. Before

8:05

we get to that, I did want to give you my thoughts

8:07

on Arizona and Solomon

8:09

on Knight in pursed against UCLA. I

8:11

mean, a complete and utter dismemberment

8:13

in what

8:16

I like. I

8:19

like the Boswell wasn't trying to win the

8:21

game on his own. He picked his spots, and

8:23

then when they made their run late in the first half,

8:26

it was, you know, he hit a big three, he made a cup big

8:28

plays. Obviously, love can go get buckets.

8:30

I mean, he's gonna he's gonna shoot regardless.

8:34

But I do think that Tommy has done

8:36

a very good job of managing that and

8:39

that's a weapon that they're going to use moving forward. It's

8:43

a good team. It's a very

8:45

good team, especially when you have key Shot Johnson

8:47

at the four. You know, he's so athletic.

8:51

I'm actually surprised. I would love for

8:54

them to take a look at key shot at the five getting

8:56

ready for the NCAA tournament. You know, they have they

8:59

have, they

9:02

have others coming off the bench that are really athletic,

9:04

and I you know, he does

9:06

go to a more athletic lineup off the bench,

9:09

but always has a traditional five. I

9:12

would I would take a look at not having a traditional five.

9:14

The Arizona has a lot more offensive

9:17

firepower than in

9:20

some previous years, and they have also, you

9:22

know, people were really down

9:25

obviously on Kirk Krisa at the end.

9:28

Some of it is, you know, attitude and

9:30

persona, but I think a lot of it is that,

9:33

you know, he can't really break down a defense. He's

9:35

not a defensive stopper. Well, they're

9:37

they're better there this year. I

9:41

like them. I like them. I can't say that I

9:43

love them, and

9:46

I'm a little bossis over

9:48

their bigs having to cover out on the floor. And

9:52

I also think that there can be maybe

9:55

a little bit of a lack of shooting right when you're playing

9:58

and I and I saw shot, he made one,

10:00

he missed one in terms of three,

10:03

but so many other teams playing with four

10:05

and five shooters. You're playing with

10:07

three and maybe two and a half at times,

10:09

depending upon who you got out there. Those

10:12

are my concerns are Caleb

10:14

Love's shots selection, their

10:16

overall shot selection. They

10:19

only really have one guy who's

10:22

a point guard, you know, in Boswell,

10:24

a real backup guy,

10:27

and they don't necessarily

10:29

have enough guys that create shots.

10:31

Brothers, but they're better and tougher

10:34

defensively than they've been. You

10:36

have two guys that played in the National Champion

10:38

Game in subsequent years in Love and Johnson,

10:42

and I kind

10:44

of think they're like a Purdue right if you can

10:46

get out of that first weekend, that's

10:49

a really dangerous team, really

10:51

dangerous team. I'm higher on them. I

10:53

haven't seen them in person than

10:56

I was watching them last

10:58

month or so on TV. All

11:01

right, let's get to our conversation with our guy,

11:03

Jeff Goodman. Jeff,

11:08

let's list do this thing. Okay, So you're driving, I'm

11:10

driving. Where are you driving? Some by the way, I.

11:14

Have no WiFi.

11:15

My dumb ass has decided to put

11:17

our house in the market in three weeks,

11:20

so we had somebody to come by and refinish

11:22

our hardwork floors last night yesterday.

11:26

And they knocked out the Wi Fi. We can't figure

11:28

it out.

11:28

They're here again today, So I'm like, I

11:30

don't know what I'm doing today. I don't know where I'm gonna

11:32

watch games.

11:34

Are you moving to Charleston? You're you moving to

11:36

Charleston.

11:37

I don't know what we're doing.

11:38

We like, I think so, but we're gonna rent

11:40

first and figure it out.

11:42

Like we want to be down there and see

11:44

if we really like it enough to buy there

11:47

or honestly, for the next two

11:49

years, we could just bounce, just bounce

11:51

around, go Charleston to Florida, back

11:54

to Boston in the nice weather, never

11:56

see city weather.

11:57

That's my goal.

12:00

Okay, California, we

12:02

have seasons, the good one, that's

12:04

what we got. Yeah,

12:08

uh okay, Well I am driving to

12:10

Durham. I decided to

12:13

fly into Charlotte and do the drive. Why

12:16

uh just the timing

12:18

of the flights worked out better for me. And then I'm

12:21

doing the Big South Championship on Sunday

12:24

on Westwood. That's that's at high Point,

12:26

so So High high Points only an

12:28

hour from Charlotte.

12:30

Ye have been

12:32

have you been to High Points Campus?

12:34

Ever, I haven't I heard. It's amazing. It's

12:37

like a fourth Seasons excited.

12:43

Maybe you get a spots

12:45

treatment while you're.

12:46

There, Maybe maybe I can. Uh.

12:48

Okay, let's let's do the coaching

12:50

job thing. Okay, purely organic.

12:53

The beauty to this is right

12:56

like where this

12:58

is how real conversations take

13:00

place, not the

13:02

conversations that everybody has to have on Twitter

13:05

or on TV. Right, Okay, so

13:08

let's start with Let's start out west, because

13:10

yesterday Mike Hopkins got fired and

13:13

we kind of all saw it coming. First, you have a new ad.

13:16

Second, they haven't really done shit. You

13:19

know, you do feel it's weird

13:21

because they literally fired him the

13:23

day after he beats Wazoo on the road in

13:27

the same year they beat Gondaga. Feels

13:30

like most people think it's a formality

13:32

that it sprinkle. Is that too strong

13:34

a way to put it?

13:35

Yeah?

13:36

Probably too strong? Probably too strong,

13:38

but makes so much sense. You

13:40

know, you always like there's a hot

13:42

name, right, there's a hot name every year,

13:44

and then there's the guy who's kind of done it

13:47

for a while that people have just kind of

13:50

fallen asleep on a little bit because he's done

13:52

it so long. And that's Leon Rice against

13:54

Danny Sprinkle. And it's not like there's like

13:56

this huge age gown. It's not like Danny

13:59

Sprinkle's, you know, thirty two

14:01

years old.

14:02

But he's just.

14:03

Burst out of the scene here lately. Right, Montana

14:05

State did a great job. Utah State's

14:07

done an incredible job this year in his one season.

14:11

He's the odds on favorite for me.

14:13

But yeah, I think leon Rice has a shot there,

14:17

and I think it probably is a two horse race

14:19

at the end of the day.

14:20

But again we'll see.

14:22

With obviously Troy Danon

14:25

coming from Tulane, who

14:28

else he might have in mind. Hopefully it's not to

14:30

bring Mike Dunleavy senior back to college

14:32

coaching.

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14:47

Do you know that I was, I guess

14:49

a finalist with Mike dunlaedyr.

14:52

I do, I do? I remember that you were

14:54

in that mix?

14:55

So I

14:59

I had a great I know with Troy too. He came

15:01

and saw me and in Westport,

15:03

Connecticut. That was right before I moved to

15:05

California. What was

15:07

the restaurant got? It's really good?

15:10

Oh man, I'll think of it.

15:15

I forget what's what it's called. Think of it anyway. Uh.

15:18

You know, Troy started at Northern

15:20

Iowa, right, and then to Tulane

15:23

and did a great job with football, and frankly,

15:25

you know his second higher basketball is really good.

15:28

Yeah.

15:31

But yeah, I mean, okay, So

15:33

if Leon doesn't get

15:36

Washington, yeah,

15:38

right, and MaTx is finally

15:41

graduated, yeah,

15:44

Like, is this a he gets

15:46

out or he stays there forever sort of thing?

15:49

You know, It's weird because I think everybody thinks

15:52

that it's automatic, and it probably

15:54

is that Brian Michaelson gets Gonzaga,

15:57

But I feel like, why isn't Leon in the

15:59

equation there? Like, if

16:01

you think about it, doesn't it make more

16:03

sense when Mark feud does retire if he retires

16:06

the next year or two obviously if he goes five

16:08

more. But to me, doesn't

16:11

it make more sense to give it to a guy who's already

16:13

been coaching as a head coach for twelve

16:16

fifteen years, who's done a really good job at Boise

16:18

every single year or No.

16:21

It does, But I also think maybe that

16:24

ship is sailed. I

16:26

don't,

16:26

I don't.

16:29

You're probably right, You're probably right. I

16:31

just don't know why.

16:32

Okay, But here's here's here's here's

16:34

a question that's really interesting

16:37

if you think about Okay, let's

16:39

say Kyle Smith

16:41

at Wazoo gets

16:44

the Vanderbilt job, which I know the Vanderbilt job is

16:46

not open, but percent chance Vanderbilt job

16:48

comes open.

16:48

Jeff very hot the

16:51

only you know, the ad the a D wants

16:53

to keep him, but it sounds like she's going to

16:55

be overruled. And I mean, he's

16:58

done an atrocious job there other than one

17:00

half of one seasons.

17:02

Okay, So

17:05

so let's let's say.

17:06

He left competition though, but he's

17:08

gonna have competition. I mean, Kyle Smith, well,

17:10

he's done a great job, Doug, and

17:12

he has really tough spots, right, we

17:14

know Colombia, San fran and

17:17

Washington State are hard jobs.

17:19

He has not gone to the tournament.

17:22

Chris Mack is gonna be in the mix,

17:24

right, Chris Mack is going to be in the mix for

17:27

that one?

17:27

Could Chris Holtman want it? Their resume

17:30

is a stronger now.

17:30

That they've had much better jobs, obviously,

17:33

but the question is what do you do if

17:36

you're Vandy. Are you taking a

17:38

guy that, yeah, has done as

17:40

much with less as just about anybody.

17:43

But again, he's he's never been

17:45

down there. He's been all over the place. He's

17:47

been in the Northeast, he's been in the

17:49

Pacific Northwest, he's been in the West. But like,

17:52

I don't know, it's a little

17:54

different now at Bandy than it

17:57

Like people people equate Mandy

17:59

to this like academic

18:01

job, and it is, but it's

18:03

also in the SEC Doug, so it's

18:06

not like it's your typical academic

18:09

job. You've got to be able to figure

18:11

shit out and work

18:13

angles, and I'm not sure Kyle

18:16

Smith is going to be able to do that at Mandy and get

18:18

them to be Like, I think he's a solid

18:20

pick there, but I think like a

18:22

Chris Mack would be more of like

18:25

you might be able to really hit it with him.

18:27

Okay, I mean I was We'll get

18:30

we'll circle back to Vandy in a second. But

18:33

the question, the question was, if

18:36

you're Leon Rice, say

18:39

Wazoo, Wazoo's

18:41

gonna play in the WCC for now,

18:44

probably ends up in the Mountain West,

18:46

right.

18:47

Yeah, didn't he turn that down about ten years

18:49

ago. He turned that down about ten years ago.

18:52

I know what level of

18:54

job, like a Washington State like, what level

18:56

of job is that? Moving forward?

18:59

Not good job, not a good job. But

19:01

again the question is what are

19:04

they gonna pay now?

19:05

Right?

19:06

What are they gonna pay? If you're Leon Rice, like

19:08

you said, Max is gone,

19:10

do you hit that one payday?

19:12

Now? You're making good money at

19:14

Boise.

19:14

But if you're if you're gonna double your your salary,

19:17

do you just say at this point in your career, Hey, you

19:19

know what, I'm gonna roll the dice at

19:22

this point.

19:22

But but I guess here's the here's here's

19:25

the other side to it. If you're Washington State

19:27

and and you know right now those schools

19:29

Organ State, Washington State financial windfall

19:31

because they're the last two, you know, holding that

19:34

that pack tall banner. So they're making a bunch

19:36

of money. But eventually the bottom is gonna fall

19:38

out, right, So if you're Washington

19:40

State, like, what do you pay for a head basketball coach

19:42

knowing that that TV revenue

19:44

is disappearing in a couple months,

19:47

You're.

19:47

Not gonna pay No, You're you're probably gonna go young

19:50

I mean to me, you're gonna go young mid major

19:52

cheap, like if really,

19:54

if you're being honest here, And it's probably why

19:57

Oregon State doesn't fire Win Tinkle right now.

19:59

They don't too much money still, you

20:01

know from that that one run, that Elite eight

20:03

run the bubble, it was one

20:05

of the more baffling contracts ever given

20:08

by Scott Barnes. And Scott Barnes has

20:10

made a couple boneheaded

20:12

moves, that being one of them.

20:14

And obviously no no Irank

20:17

Kevin Stallings at Pittsburgh.

20:18

That's number all time.

20:20

Yeah, but that no, but given Tinkle

20:23

give and Tinkle all that guaranteed money after

20:25

one Elite Elite eight run,

20:27

it's pretty damn close.

20:29

Plus they were five hundred that year.

20:31

Yeah, yeah,

20:34

like like that's and I like Scott

20:36

Barnes, but it's it just shows some

20:39

of these days.

20:40

Listen, listen, listen. I like Scott as

20:42

well, for people who don't know, he's a poor basketball

20:44

player, right and so uh

20:47

he also didn't

20:49

he I

20:52

don't remember if he hired and fired

20:54

Dury at Utah Stank.

20:56

I don't think that was him.

20:57

I don't know anyway. Yeah,

21:00

that one's that's the but but look,

21:03

I think the mistake that the a D

21:05

may okay is

21:08

not necessary, Like you

21:11

can make a higher word, you can

21:13

reward a guy. I don't understand

21:15

how they get talked to these crazy extensions

21:19

because they fear losing their

21:21

coach. Like if you had a coach who's

21:23

just okay, and then he goes on a tournament run and

21:26

he gets hot and somebody wants

21:28

to come and take him off your hands,

21:30

like okay, you

21:32

know, and if you're gonna you're gonna give him

21:34

a bump, like, give him a bump. It doesn't

21:36

have to be over five or six years.

21:39

Can I give you the best example? Can I give

21:41

you the best recent example of that? Yeah,

21:44

Dennis Gates.

21:46

Which stop right

21:48

now?

21:49

Right after one

21:49

year.

21:52

Dennis Gates. Dennis Gates, they

21:54

gave him guaranteed money. Desi Rae who

21:56

just left for Arizona, the former Missouri

21:59

A D gave him like guaranteed twenty

22:01

twenty five million.

22:02

How many wins do they have in the league this year? Doug

22:06

zero zero?

22:08

I mean, how is that possible?

22:11

I mean it just shows you sometimes you get.

22:13

It at how did Missouri

22:16

fall completely apart?

22:19

It's amazing I mean that that's

22:21

the problem is these ads

22:23

don't understand the marketplace and

22:26

they don't understand like, Okay, Dennis,

22:28

we're not giving you that much guaranteed money.

22:31

Uh, you did it for one year. That's great.

22:33

If you want to go get something else, you

22:35

know what, go go if you want

22:37

to go go see what else you can get.

22:39

That's better. We gave you a.

22:41

Job right when he didn't didn't

22:43

have one. Yeah, a gigantic job.

22:45

It's a gigantic job. I

22:48

guess I don't understand, like

22:51

why the contracts are so long.

22:55

The sport is it doesn't.

22:56

Matter though, but those still matter. All that

22:59

matters is the out or the guaranteed

23:01

money. So like you can give somebody

23:03

calipery.

23:04

That's in the length of the contract.

23:06

Like Bill self. Yeah, but like okay Bill.

23:10

Bill self's got a lifetime deal done,

23:12

but it's buyout. Isn't that high like

23:15

if.

23:15

Bill Bill So it's different.

23:18

Obviously it's different with Bill self. I get

23:20

it. But all I'm saying is these

23:22

a ds you can give them.

23:26

Please. You just mentioned we

23:29

just talked about Dennis Gates

23:31

and Bill Sell and their contracts.

23:34

All right, all right, all right, all right, I.

23:38

Like just

23:41

comparing it's like, man, I

23:43

mean, please, let's not do that. Let's

23:46

if you're going to construct a contract.

23:48

Like again, the the ads

23:52

at the high level, the crazy part about

23:54

it is eights at the low and mid

23:56

major level, a lot of them have a lot of balls like, hey,

23:58

we just can't afford it. We'll walk away from it, you

24:01

know. Whereas the adies at the high level

24:04

they get they they again,

24:07

and neither of us know for

24:09

each one what it's actually like a lot of times they get pressure

24:11

from Booster Solutions say look, I'm only giving

24:13

you money if this guy is the head coach. That's

24:16

the way it works. So it's

24:19

gonna be pasting all right, Ohio State, where

24:21

are we de one?

24:24

I mean, I still think it's gonna end up falling,

24:27

not falling, but I think Dusty May

24:29

will be the guy there.

24:30

At the end.

24:31

But again Lamont Paris,

24:33

an Ohio native, could

24:35

be in the mix here. We don't know if Dusty

24:38

May will definitely take it again. If

24:40

you kind of look at the tea leaves, it

24:42

makes a lot of sense, right.

24:43

It fits him.

24:45

You know, he's a guy that doesn't love the limelight.

24:48

He'd rather every everybody close

24:50

to him has told me he would rather Ohio

24:52

State than Indiana, where he was a manager.

24:54

Anyway, he

24:57

hired Andy Miller, the

25:00

former NBA agent who's

25:02

now repping college coaches,

25:04

some not many. Andy Miller works

25:07

with Rich Paul at Clutch. Last

25:09

I checked, Lebron was a big Ohio State

25:11

fan. So I think Rich Paul is

25:14

also, you know, the from Ohio. So I

25:17

think that's a natural fit for

25:19

Dusty at the end of the day, and Dusty going through

25:21

what he's going through right now this year,

25:23

with like barely getting in the tournament,

25:26

I think he realizes. Okay, Joe, I really want

25:28

to be in the A. I love Boca, but

25:31

is it worth it. I'm basically in a one bid league

25:33

right now. I'm basically gonna be a one bid

25:35

league.

25:36

No, you gotta get the fuck out, correct,

25:39

correct?

25:40

You do? Lamont Paris

25:42

Sean Miller. You know, I think

25:44

he's on the list, but I don't. I don't know

25:46

how high up he is. I think they want.

25:48

Dusty, and I think Dusty ultimately

25:51

will end up taking it.

25:53

Okay, who gets

25:55

fort Atlantic?

25:58

So Josh Shurtz went to school there from

26:00

Indiana State.

26:02

He went to fa.

26:05

Indiana State for Florida Atlantic.

26:07

No, no, no, I don't think so.

26:10

I don't think it makes sense in any

26:12

regard because it's not a great job.

26:14

We know that you don't want to follow a dusty man.

26:16

Now, I don't

26:18

know. I don't think one of the assistants will will

26:20

get it.

26:21

I think Abernathy and Kyle Church

26:23

have done a great job there and they probably

26:25

should get it. But I think you

26:29

know, uh, White will we'll we'll swing

26:31

for the fences there and try to get a big name.

26:33

He's got a million dollars to work with. I

26:36

could see him trying to bring in a you

26:38

know, hopefully not a recirculated

26:40

guy.

26:42

But then if you go young up and comer, who

26:44

are you getting? Like, who are you getting?

26:47

Would you go Josh Pastor?

26:48

There?

26:49

It's Florida Lank has been a place. You know, they recessed

26:51

it. They were laying Kippen's

26:54

career. And I not that it's the same as Pastor,

26:56

but Pastor might might make sense there that that

26:58

type of he he's still young ish and

27:01

yet he needs another spot. And

27:03

as the same kind of energy is as

27:06

dusty that one could be to be

27:08

in.

27:10

You mentioned I

27:13

like Josh Rice. If Rice open, I.

27:16

Have heard Rice is potentially very close

27:19

ye ye, And

27:22

and uh that that one

27:24

would make would make some sense, would

27:27

would make some sense? Uh

27:31

what else? What?

27:31

What?

27:32

What other shoes are gonna drive? We're waiting

27:34

for Virginia. Okay, let's let's go

27:36

left Virginia. Okay, So they

27:38

Long, I mean most people believe that

27:40

Ren Baker Long

27:43

had an infatuation with Dusty. Dusty

27:46

has told people his dad was a coal miner,

27:48

you know, so there's all these

27:50

connections. They have a lot of money, they have n I l way

27:53

better job than people think. Okay,

27:56

so if if not Dusty, then who.

27:59

I mean the name floating around a lot is

28:01

Mark Buyington and James Madison.

28:04

They may not make the tournament. I mean they were great

28:06

early.

28:07

You know. You look at him, you look at Josh

28:09

Shurtz, you

28:12

look at the other guy in the Sun Belt who

28:14

won the Sun Belt, Dustin Kerns at our state,

28:17

a Nico medbed. Guys

28:20

like that, I think they're gonna end up with a mid major

28:22

coach. For the most part, I'd be surprised if

28:24

they don't.

28:25

The next one.

28:26

Look at well I mean, you

28:28

know, obviously I think Stanford could pop

28:31

Monday. You know, Bernard

28:34

Weir has in the last couple

28:36

of years come out and given Jared

28:38

Hass a vote of confidence this time

28:40

of year. He won't do that now. He

28:43

told me the other day he'll meet with Jared the

28:45

end of the year and

28:49

evaluate things. I think evaluating

28:51

means it's it's over. It's over.

28:55

You know, Hass has had talent, so then

28:58

that I think is the the probably

29:01

the most I don't

29:03

know, app landing spot

29:05

for Kyle Smith. And I'm not sure it's like a

29:07

great move because

29:10

it's not like Stanford's got you

29:12

know, like like they got to worry about transfers.

29:15

That's hard to get them in.

29:16

Do they really care about basketball

29:18

that much these days? I

29:21

don't think it's a great great but like, if you're

29:23

Kyle Smith, you've got to get the hell out of Pullman, don't

29:25

you.

29:26

You do it?

29:26

And a lot of it reminds you actually of Columbia.

29:29

You know, where you have on campus housing,

29:32

you know, so you save a bunch of money there and

29:35

yeah, you have all kinds of red tape. I mean,

29:37

it's crazy because Stanford used to be the

29:40

model, right, it used to be they used to

29:42

have the best environment maybe in the in

29:44

the Pacto. Yeah,

29:46

it's so good, and you know

29:49

it's the model for student athletes, like that's

29:51

where you want to go. Come to the farm

29:53

and and they've had so many successful people

29:56

in that just bat and they were really good basketball. Man.

29:59

Be the acc is hard. I don't know how

30:01

that's gonna work. No one,

30:04

no one, No one goes anyway. That's

30:08

hard. That's hard. But that's

30:10

kind of been Kyle. Especially the other name there is Russ

30:13

Turner, right, and yeah

30:16

he's you know, wins the league again in the

30:18

big last kind of institution

30:21

at you see your vine, that

30:24

one would be a shoe. Why did why

30:27

did Indiana keep Mike Woindson?

30:31

I mean, you know again because

30:34

he did go to the tournament the last two years

30:37

and it hasn't been a complete bottom

30:39

out like Kenny Payne. Uh

30:42

like even Juwan Howard. Now Juwan obviously

30:44

did a lot more early in his career. And

30:47

that'll be one to watch, but I think there's more.

30:49

He's one of their own, and you're gonna give one

30:51

of your own, especially when a guy like

30:53

Quinn Buckner has a lot of juice,

30:56

and Quinn played it Indiana and

30:58

is a board, you know, on the board some

31:00

juice there. I just think the old

31:03

school people are like, Okay, you know what, he

31:05

hasn't done that bad. Now

31:07

They're gonna have almost four million dollars in Nile

31:09

this coming year. So if they don't get

31:11

it done this year, it's completely

31:14

on Mike Woodson. They got to keep some of

31:16

the players they have some retention

31:19

and then go get a point guard. But

31:22

you know, the big thing too, was if Dusty

31:24

May was dying to come to

31:26

Bloomington and like he called

31:29

and was like, hey, you know what, yeah, I would take

31:31

it now, like.

31:32

This is it.

31:33

I'm gonna take Ohio State. If not,

31:35

but I really want the Indiana job. It

31:37

might have been different, but that

31:40

wasn't the case. Again, so I

31:42

think it was like, who we getting anyway if

31:44

we make a move on Woodson right now?

31:48

They lost their all three their includingam

31:56

McNeil yesterday. Yes,

31:59

but but I actually, I

32:01

mean he's a he's a big loss, big

32:03

loss, big kid. It could really

32:05

shoot the fucking ball, really just knows how to play.

32:09

But like the

32:11

reality is, you have that money in the

32:14

nil. You go out and

32:16

spend it on veteran players, you

32:18

have a much greater likelihood of success,

32:21

right, you have a much better likely to success.

32:23

But the hell out of

32:25

it. He's smart. He's not your

32:27

typical freshman.

32:28

I'm not saying he wasn't going to be like the

32:31

star, but he would have been a nice piece.

32:35

Yeah, yeah, he could have been their

32:37

furkey. He could have been

32:39

there for yeah right, right, but

32:44

not end of the world.

32:46

That one.

32:46

I think that one hurt more than the other two guys decomitting.

32:49

But you know it hurt,

32:51

but it's not it

32:53

all is all changes if you get the right

32:55

kids in the portal.

32:57

Yeah, Louisville, I mean, uh,

33:00

obviously a move will be made on him here soon.

33:04

Although a lot of people are like, oh, maybe he'll

33:07

keep his job. I just don't see any

33:09

way he keeps his job. And obviously

33:11

the the the pipe

33:13

dream is Scott Drew. I've said

33:16

this to you forever. That's who

33:18

I know. Want.

33:19

I know they want why again,

33:21

why would Scott Drew lee?

33:24

He probably won't, but

33:26

you got to make him say no. Like

33:28

he's the one guy that like if you throw

33:30

a crazy number at him

33:33

and you also throw a crazy nil number

33:35

at him, which I'm not sure they can do yet, but I

33:37

think they can get there if they want to. Let's

33:39

face it, it's Louisville.

33:42

So I think he ends up saying no.

33:46

And then obviously Greg McDermott stayed at

33:48

Creighton, so then you're dealing with some

33:50

mid major guys.

33:51

Again.

33:51

What people have to realize here is

33:55

the best guys that we think should

33:57

be available have huge

33:59

biots, huge bats.

34:04

We start we started by talking about this, right

34:07

and that why do they exist? Well, they exist

34:09

for two reasons. Coaches want them to

34:11

protect against these bad years. Dennis

34:13

Gates. Uh, you

34:16

know, like you name it mc

34:22

cronin. So

34:25

that's why coaches want them, and administrators

34:29

occasionally it's to protect them from somebody

34:31

coaching their coach. But really they they

34:33

acquiesce to

34:36

so that so that a coach kind of protects himself, which

34:38

I do understand. Okay, so what

34:41

about Chris Beard. You're not optional?

34:46

No, I I've been told that

34:48

that the Beards and the Sean Millers

34:50

are off the table because of everything that

34:52

that Louisville program has gone through with

34:55

Patino, all the drama, all

34:57

the embarrassment. So

35:00

I don't I don't think it's gonna

35:02

be Beard. I don't think it's gonna be Sean

35:04

Miller. I'm not even sure. I think

35:06

Eric mussels out of the equation because again,

35:10

yeah yeah, because you know, again

35:12

he's he's tough.

35:13

To deal with.

35:14

I think you're looking at a group, the

35:17

Porter Moosers, the Nico Medviz,

35:19

the Jerome Tangs, the Pat Kelsey's, Lamont

35:22

Parris, Josh Shirtz, that

35:25

group.

35:26

Jamie Dixon.

35:27

Maybe I don't see him over paying

35:29

though. I don't think he's gonna overpay

35:31

for a guy that's like a mid tier guy like

35:33

that. Like, I don't think he's gonna pay Jamie

35:35

Dixon four and a half million. I think

35:38

he would rather pay, you know, Niko

35:40

Medved three million.

35:43

Don't like get a guy who can pay him a million

35:45

five two million and then put all of it

35:47

in the nil. Yeah, I mean,

35:50

what are we doing here? You know, brain,

35:53

that's where the that's where the players come from.

35:57

Okay, what about DePaul.

36:00

You know, Bobby Hurley.

36:02

It makes sense, probably too much sense Porter

36:05

Moser if he would I

36:08

just don't think they're gonna pay him a five million

36:10

dollars buyout to

36:12

Paul. They need money for Nil, so

36:15

like that, that one doesn't make a lot of sense. They

36:17

talked to Holtman, I don't think he take

36:20

it. You know, Hurley seems

36:22

to be the most likely because he needs to get out

36:24

of Dodge with Arizona

36:27

State, even though they've got a new a d I

36:29

think he's probably got a year left, you

36:31

know, like the Mark Byington's, the

36:33

Josh shurtz is, the Darren Devrees probably

36:36

in the mix there. But I think

36:38

Hurley just makes too much sense other than the fact

36:40

that, man, those family dinners

36:43

are going to be rough between DePaul

36:45

and Yukon, you know, the you

36:47

know you got the worst job in your league, your brother's

36:49

got the best job.

36:51

I don't.

36:52

I don't love that dynamic. They may

36:54

not talk to each other for years.

36:56

Could he have taken Saint John's a year

36:58

ago, No.

37:01

Not a year ago, like three years ago

37:03

before Mike Anderson. You know,

37:06

he probably could have had a band because

37:08

he was hot then, and he could have had to Paul

37:10

the last time he was hotter than you

37:12

know, he's cooled off the last three or four years. You

37:14

and I know how how good a job he's

37:17

done overall, if.

37:18

You look at it.

37:19

But the problem is, again, Chris Holman did

37:21

a good job overall. It

37:23

doesn't matter. What matters is

37:25

what mc cronin. What matters

37:28

is what have you done for me lately? Unless you've

37:30

gotten.

37:30

To a final four?

37:31

And even mc cronan went to a final four and

37:34

they're ready to run him out.

37:36

Yeah, explain to me the ucl I think they're

37:38

like, Okay, So here's what I know. I

37:41

mean, I know more about UCLA basketball than

37:44

I think anyone would lead

37:47

you to believe. You know, I

37:50

realized it's stuff to get kids in school,

37:52

especially transfers. I realized

37:54

that suppose of the nil is limited.

37:57

I don't think they did a particularly good job

38:02

of building their roster knowing they were going

38:04

to lose all those guys last

38:06

year, right, like you, you

38:09

should have backfilled your roster with guys

38:11

and played some younger players and been

38:13

further along this year so

38:16

you knew some of this was coming. But

38:19

there's also the like Martin Jarmondin

38:21

is a former he's a basketball player,

38:24

but he just lost his football coach

38:26

who took a four million dollar pack cup. Now most

38:29

of us realized Chip Kelly was probably going to

38:31

be fired at the end of this year anyway, And

38:36

you know now they're hired to Sean Foster. We

38:38

actually, I don't know if you know this. He's my former high school teammate.

38:41

He's a freshman out the senior got called

38:43

up, got called up. Yeah, I got called

38:45

up for horse steep basketball for our playoff run.

38:47

Yeah.

38:47

It's cool. Sean's great dude, and

38:49

so I'm super happy to him. I just I don't know if you compete

38:52

there in football if you're not going to

38:54

spend. They're not spending on coaches

38:56

now, so maybe they're spending on NL. I'm not sure.

38:59

But like we

39:02

both think, we both know Mick

39:04

really well. He's not. None of

39:06

these guys in that level war that easy

39:08

to deal with, right, But he's also

39:10

not He's.

39:11

Not no, no, he's not.

39:14

He's not one fun, just

39:16

intent intense. So

39:21

I guess what's going on

39:24

with U. C l A.

39:25

But here's the thing. Here's the thing, all

39:27

right, Doug, here's the thing. He inherited

39:30

Haimi Hakis and Tiger Campbell. They

39:32

were two tough dudes, right, like,

39:35

like we we wondered when when

39:37

Mick got to l A. What was the

39:39

one thing we wondered, like, well, at

39:42

Sincy, what did he win with top

39:45

dudes who play it harder than everybody else?

39:47

Well, he inherited two of those and now

39:49

they're gone, and can he get

39:51

those guys to u

39:53

C l A.

39:54

Like, I just didn't think the.

39:55

International guys were going to work

39:57

for Mick Kroony, Like I understand what he

40:00

he was saying with was like, I

40:02

don't have to.

40:03

Worry about TNIL though,

40:05

Like the perception is

40:09

perception is that European

40:11

players are more coaching. That the

40:13

way to make coaches, the way that the

40:15

older school. That's how your coach. And

40:17

that's true, that that is how your coach. Much more

40:20

the coach is a much bigger factor overseason

40:22

than he is in the

40:24

United States in terms

40:26

of you know, what the coach says

40:28

goes. It's just that's that's the way

40:31

I go. But

40:34

yeah, it's not that they

40:36

got international players. You've got to get the right ones

40:40

and can't have as much youth as they're playing.

40:43

I don't know. I think it's a it's

40:46

an interesting deal. Interest interest

40:49

really going to be interesting what happens at UCLA,

40:51

Like, what what are we actually doing here

40:54

with the most story program

40:56

in the history of college basketball and

40:59

you have a coach again, it's it's very

41:01

similar to uh

41:04

when Alfred first got there, he won with Ben

41:07

Allen's players. When Ben Allen first got

41:09

there, obviously he flipped it in recruiting

41:11

whatever. Ben actually won the PAC twelve

41:13

in his last year, which

41:16

is crazy.

41:17

Right, right, They were just tired.

41:19

Of him allan thing.

41:21

I mean, it was a little bit of like what's happened to Mick? Where

41:24

because it didn't go well

41:27

with Drew Drew Hollis, they

41:30

stopped, they couldn't get LA kids anymore,

41:34

and then Mick and I don't know enough about

41:36

what happened, but Jared

41:39

McCain, Caleb Boss or Dusty Stromer,

41:42

oh for three and you're coming

41:44

off upon a port Yeah.

41:46

Yeah, so yeah.

41:49

I think part of it.

41:51

Part of it with Mick was again

41:54

he's not warming fuzzy, and I think with even

41:56

the current players, it's hard

41:58

these days, right, It's hard when you throw him

42:00

under the bus. Woodson's

42:03

done that in Indiana bunch this year. Are

42:05

you going to retain him? Because they have other options

42:07

now, they don't have to sit out. They don't

42:09

have to sit out anymore.

42:11

They can go well again, I don't

42:13

know. I mean, after

42:15

he threw him under the bus,

42:18

they reeled off a bunch of wins. They one

42:20

or nine. I just don't think

42:23

One they're too young to even really know. And

42:25

then two there's some guys who just aren't

42:27

very good.

42:30

And I also think he needs to evolve his offensive

42:33

style. I did the UCLA Arizona

42:36

game two nights ago, and in the

42:38

first half, they kept throwing the ball to a den Bona

42:40

in the low post, like, one,

42:46

what are we doing?

42:47

Yeah, that's not your option if that's

42:49

number one, And I'm.

42:50

Sure that's what he's saying, like, hey, look, this is the best chance

42:52

I have to win, Like, you know, it's not. He can't couldn't

42:55

score the low post to be locked him in the gym now

42:57

with a running start to basket on how

43:00

and rolls. Yeah, he's tremendous.

43:03

That was a weird one there to keep throwing

43:05

inside. He had twelve shots in the first half. Yes,

43:08

well yeah, wow,

43:11

Okay, so we've

43:13

gone through all the any

43:16

Okay, so big eiast It'll

43:19

only be only

43:21

be DePaul Big ten big

43:24

ten hoybrig chept his job.

43:27

Ben Johnson, Okay, so take me

43:29

through the mission. Uh

43:32

huh.

43:33

I mean it's probably gonna be up to Juan. It's

43:36

probably gonna be up to Juan and whether he wants

43:38

to top out or not. You know, he's obviously

43:40

had some health issues and they've

43:42

been atrocious. And you know,

43:45

one of his kids in the NBA kind of I

43:47

think the other one's got a year left, but you

43:49

know, he had an issue with a strength coach. I mean,

43:51

there's just been so much shit there and

43:55

I don't I don't think Wardmanual fires

43:57

him. I think in

44:00

kind of like with Mike Woodson, I think there'll

44:02

be some changes made among

44:05

the staff if he comes back. But I

44:09

don't I don't think Warmanuel has

44:11

the kohonas to fire,

44:14

to call him in and say, hey, you're done.

44:16

I don't.

44:18

Uh my Florida

44:21

State, I think Leonard Hamilton will

44:23

be told to retire.

44:25

I believe that will be the case here. We'll

44:27

see.

44:29

He'll fight it, I would think, but I

44:31

think this might be a for him a second straight

44:34

you know, under five hundred year in the

44:36

ACC.

44:39

Miami.

44:40

I think Laareneagle will be back for another They

44:42

were atrocious this year, but I

44:44

think he'll be back for another year. We

44:47

talked about a little bit about Bobby

44:50

Hurley. I think Tinka will be back. Anybody

44:55

else. I think Enfield's a year away from

44:57

you know, I'll go next year into the hot seat a little bit.

45:00

Whether it's fair or not, I don't know. Sec

45:05

Bandy we talked about. I think

45:07

that'll be it. And then again, you just

45:09

got to look at some of these other guys that I

45:11

don't know if they want to retire or not yet. But like

45:14

again, we've talked about Mark Feu that

45:16

won't be easy if he does. Tony

45:19

Bennett, I don't think he retires,

45:21

but who knows. Uh, Buzz

45:23

Williams trying to get out because you know, you

45:25

know, there's a window shelf life on Buzz

45:28

everywhere he is, so he'll try to get out if

45:30

he can. You

45:33

know, Todd Golden, what

45:35

happens there? Does he go back out west from

45:39

Florida?

45:40

We'll see? I

45:43

mean, who knows?

45:44

You do? Yeah,

45:48

I can't. I can't. All

45:51

I know is I don't think he'll he'll

45:53

go anywhere. I don't think he'll go anywhere. So I

45:55

think I think he's fine, but there's

45:58

a there's a minimal chance that he.

46:00

Could take one of those West Coast jobs or

46:03

tried. It.

46:03

Just wants to just not his jam

46:06

bad fit. Okay,

46:09

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