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Hey, welcome in.

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I'm Doug Golly.

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This is All Ball.

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We'll take a step aside for the

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next three All Ball podcast.

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We're going to drop.

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These in kind of consecutive days,

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give a little bit of gap in between. But

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I just think it's a personal story

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that is so good, and so many of you are like man,

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when I'm driving, I'm recruiting, when I'm driving

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to a high school game, wherever I

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am, I love to listen to stories.

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Beach told. Well, I'll have a dear friend.

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His name is Josh Lucas.

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Josh was the director of player personnel

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for the Chicago Bears. How

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he got there after being a student athlete

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at Harvard, but the mercurial path

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that took to getting there, and the time

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he took and why he stepped aside at times

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from his job. This

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is a story that has not been publicly

0:51

told. Josh is a rising star in the

0:53

media. He still is a very

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very well respected player personnel

0:58

potential GM in the future.

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Here's his story.

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The thing I love about my job

1:07

is when I was a kid, my dad was

1:10

an old basketball coach. Right.

1:12

I always felt like my dad was an old basketball coach, even

1:14

when I wasn't old like they've been

1:16

doing it since he got out of college.

1:18

He was a high school coach and then became a college coach.

1:20

And there's a lot of reasons

1:22

I put together this pod the way I

1:25

do. I mean, really, I

1:28

was I was driving one night between

1:31

Murphysboro, Tennessee and

1:34

Bowling Green, Kentucky, and

1:37

it was pouring rain and

1:41

actually there was a I didn't know this

1:44

at the time until like midway

1:47

through the drive that I was driving through

1:49

like an active tornado area, and

1:53

I was listening to Sirius XM and

1:56

to the Howard to Howard Stern interview

1:59

Megan Trainer, and

2:02

Megan told the story of how

2:04

she kind of made it her breakthrough, which

2:07

was he went into La

2:09

Reid's office and she had written

2:11

songs for lots of people, and she had

2:14

this I'm Gonna love you like I'm.

2:15

Gonna lose you, and.

2:18

She only had I think, like one verse

2:22

that she could sing and

2:24

play on a ukulele. You know. Again, like

2:27

the details is a little fuzzy now because it was actually it's

2:29

like an amazing interview. He let her

2:31

just kind of talk her way through it. But she talked about how

2:33

she was there the whole day, and

2:37

he wanted her to play the whole

2:39

song, and anyway,

2:42

she ended up figuring out how to play the whole and

2:45

thought it was, you know, for somebody else.

2:47

He's like, no, I want you to record that.

2:49

But it was a storytelling element of it that I just

2:52

I remember, I'm driving through this incredibly

2:54

shitty.

2:54

Weather, and I'm like the power

2:56

of audio.

2:58

And I've said this on radio before, is

3:00

when you get a really really good story,

3:02

where you get a really really good conversation,

3:06

you don't want to turn off. The greatest

3:08

compliment you can give to a radio host

3:11

is I pulled into my driveway

3:14

and I could not get out of the car

3:16

until you were done. The second greatest

3:18

one, or maybe the one B is I

3:21

listened through a commercial break

3:23

because I wanted to hear how the conversation

3:26

ended or something like that. Then I factor

3:28

in. When I was a kid, my dad would take me to the final four.

3:30

We go up to the Nike and in the Nike

3:33

suite that would be Jim Balbano and Dick by

3:35

tal and Digger Phelps and

3:38

John Thompson would be there. All

3:40

these kind of famous old time coaches or my dad

3:42

was great friends with Dale Brown.

3:45

And the thing about all those coaches were they're.

3:47

Amazing storytellers, you

3:49

know, amazing storytellers, And

3:52

so I thought, why not have a pod about

3:55

storytelling and basketball?

3:56

Tell people the story their best.

3:59

And there have been times in which we veered

4:01

off of that, lots of really really good

4:03

ones. And so now with the holiday

4:05

season, a couple of my friends who I

4:07

think have amazing stories, I'm

4:11

offered up to join me. One

4:13

of those is a guy, and again, this is kind of part

4:16

of what makes my job cool. Then

4:18

it was Josh Lucas. So here's kind of

4:20

the backstory. I

4:22

came to work at Fox in twenty

4:25

seventeen. And truth

4:28

being told, when I came to work at Fox, I

4:32

had still had time on my CBS contract

4:34

left. But I

4:37

don't know, I don't know if I at the time fit what

4:39

they were looking for with just

4:42

with one certain element

4:44

of it, and so I didn't really

4:48

we didn't negotiate. We just said,

4:50

hey, like, can we get out of the deal. Because

4:53

a bunch of my friends had left to go to Fox.

4:55

I like CBS. I learned a lot of CBS.

4:57

I thought there's really good people on CBS.

5:00

I had a lot of trepidation when I

5:02

took the job leaving ESPN, because

5:04

like CBS, I loved ESPN. It was

5:07

awesome, so there was no negatives who I left CBS,

5:09

but I went to Fox.

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And when I went there, the

5:14

gentleman who.

5:16

Was running the daytime TV element

5:20

of it had promised me like, hey, take

5:22

your deal with the radio and

5:24

we're going to find a TV show for it. And

5:27

then of course I do like college basketball games.

5:29

So three months into that, I was actually overseas

5:32

as coaching in Israel and I got to call it.

5:34

He'd been fired.

5:35

He's a good friend of mine, and it

5:37

sucked because you learn that in

5:39

business a lot of it's who

5:41

you're connected. So Fox,

5:44

I don't know, trying to do be a solid or

5:49

I don't know, maybe they

5:51

were looking for new talent to do different

5:53

things. But I got to do sideline for one

5:56

NFL game on Fox, and

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by the way, it's should be pointing out,

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they.

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Did a thorough review of it.

6:03

I actually had John Madden's

6:05

old producer did a review and it

6:08

was a sterling review. He called me afterwards and I never

6:10

forget driving on the four to five stuck in trap and he was

6:12

like, do you want to do this for the

6:14

next twenty years. I was like yes,

6:17

He's like, well, you're really good at it, Like, well, it's

6:19

fun. I never did it, by

6:21

the way, I think I pissed the Dolphins off, and we'll

6:23

talk about what I mistakenly did or

6:26

I didn't mistakenly did it. I did it, but they knew

6:28

it was a bad thing at the time. So

6:32

to do an NFL game, the

6:35

games on Sunday, it was Broncos versus the

6:37

Bears.

6:37

This is back when the Bears were really good.

6:38

They had great defense, they traded for Khalil Mack, and

6:42

the Dolphins had to kind of

6:44

spot start brock Osweiler.

6:46

I think the Prayers.

6:47

Were undefeated at the time too, I'm not

6:50

mistaken. And it was like mid season. So

6:53

you go to practice at

6:55

the facility and you meet

6:57

with all the coaches.

6:58

You spend the entire day there, and

7:01

then.

7:01

You go back to the hotel and I think it might

7:03

have been on a Saturday, when, like Saturday, there is nothing

7:05

going on. You're literally getting paid hang

7:08

out in Miami at the beach or at

7:10

the hotel. You have a production meeting which is

7:12

interminable, but it's like in the afternoon.

7:14

So to watch college football, I go downstairs

7:17

and I'm not sitting at the hotel bar, and a

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guy settles up next to me, and he

7:21

knows a lot about.

7:22

Football, like a crazy amount about

7:24

football. The names Josh Lucas. He joins me.

7:26

Now, he was director of player personnel for the Chicago

7:29

Bears at the time, and I didn't

7:31

actually know that until

7:33

probably an hour

7:35

into our conversation when we're just watching

7:37

and you know, like anybody looking

7:40

at the screen and commenting. And

7:43

we've been kind of friends ever since. So

7:47

Josh joins me now on the All Ball Pod, Josh,

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how are you.

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I'm doing well. Thank you for having me.

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So I want to get to

7:55

that point from that point forward in

7:57

a second.

7:59

But you grew up where North

8:02

Canton, Ohio.

8:04

I mean, you can't get more football

8:07

nope, Ohio right,

8:10

Like it's just impossible to get paint

8:13

the picture of what it's like to grew up in North.

8:15

Camp about what you think,

8:17

you know, obviously with the Hall of Fame the

8:19

center of Canton, Ohio,

8:22

you know, and I grew up in a house with with

8:25

with all boys. So

8:27

sports for everything, and obviously

8:30

football was kind of the the lifeblood

8:33

of the state still is and

8:37

so you know, with with my dad and my

8:39

brothers, it was very

8:41

similar to when I met you that Saturday,

8:44

you know, watching all those games. You

8:46

know, I went down to watch the Ohio

8:48

State game. That's why I went down to that bar uh

8:51

in that Saturday afternoon.

8:54

And uh so, you know we're that

8:56

That's what That's what it's all about, you

8:58

know, trying to play as

9:00

a kid.

9:00

And then obviously you know, majority of the

9:02

people are high to State fans, and you know, that's

9:04

how I was born and raised and just

9:07

you know, football has been part

9:09

of my life, you know, as long as I can.

9:12

You know, you know, think back to my

9:14

earliest memories.

9:17

You you went to Harvard to play football,

9:19

although right, not not the Harvard

9:21

of the Big Ten.

9:23

You went to actual Harvard.

9:24

So let's let's just start with like

9:28

again outside looking in, academics

9:31

must have been a huge part of your life as well. What

9:33

was what was like, give me

9:35

give me the what was it like growing up in terms

9:38

of the balance of football, How

9:41

your parents were with academics, what pushed

9:43

you to be such not only an impressive

9:45

student, but impressive athlete as well.

9:47

Yeah, it's actually you know, it's not a

9:50

it's not the prettiest, you

9:54

know, decorative story

9:57

as far as you know, my

9:59

passion is exceed in school. You know, I grew

10:02

up in a you know what what America

10:05

calls a dysfunctional home. It was just my dad

10:08

and two half brothers and my

10:10

real brother. And you

10:12

know, I to get

10:14

into my story, you know, there was a lot of trauma.

10:17

There was there was a lot of chaos

10:20

in my house. And for

10:23

me, academics and

10:26

athletics became

10:28

my outlet, became my perfectionism.

10:31

That's kind of how I escaped not

10:34

feeling so well at home, how

10:37

I escaped being scared all the time,

10:39

and that kind of doing

10:41

well in sports and doing well and

10:44

school kind of became my identity.

10:47

And that's what I kind of hid behind. And

10:50

fortunately I was able to come. I

10:53

was just good enough in football and I was

10:55

just good enough as a student to combine

10:57

that into you

10:59

know, being able to be recruited by those Ivy League

11:01

schools. But you know, to

11:04

be honest with you, like, the what

11:07

I know now is a major you

11:09

know, anxiety disorder was

11:13

very prevalent at a young age for me, and

11:16

I never knew that there was

11:18

anything wrong. I just felt that that's

11:20

how most people must feel, and

11:23

that anxiety really began to take a toll

11:25

on me physically and mentally.

11:28

You know, well before I ever stepped foot on the

11:30

campus at Harvard, and the

11:35

way I coped with everything was

11:37

this identity that I was this great student,

11:39

I was this great athlete, and

11:42

that's kind of what shaped me and got

11:45

me to the position, you know, just to

11:47

get recruited and to be able to go to a school

11:49

like Harvard and.

11:50

Attempt to play football. But you

11:52

know, I've told you just before I was I

11:55

didn't feel right when I got there, mentally and physically.

11:57

I ended up having several shoulder surgeries

11:59

my first few years I was there. Never

12:02

really got the full college experience

12:04

of being a college athlete.

12:07

Okay, So that

12:10

that's how I got there.

12:12

I mean, you can share as much as you want

12:14

to share, but I like,

12:16

when you you throw some chum out there

12:18

in the water, get they're going like, wait, hold

12:20

on, where

12:23

was your mom in this escuession?

12:25

Yeah?

12:26

So my

12:28

parents were divorced when

12:30

I was two years

12:33

old and my dad took off all

12:35

four kids, you know, to to two

12:38

of my mom's kids from her her

12:40

first marriage, and then my

12:42

you know, my full brother and myself, and

12:45

she was basically out of the picture. You know, my dad

12:47

raised us, working

12:50

the night shift at the phone company, coaching

12:52

all of our sports. The

12:55

most selfless human being that

12:59

that there is.

13:01

To get custody of her kids.

13:03

That's a great question. You know, I think

13:06

when I was two, they.

13:09

Were divorced, and I think she was just

13:11

pretty much unfit to raise kids, and

13:14

you know, had some instability

13:16

in her life obviously. You

13:18

know, I don't know too many of the details

13:20

of why he ended up taking off four,

13:24

but you can imagine, you

13:27

know, my oldest two half brothers, you

13:30

know, they didn't have their biological dad or

13:32

their or their mom around, and there

13:35

was there was a lot of there's

13:38

a lot of stuff going on in my house. You

13:40

know, my dad wasn't there, and you know,

13:42

it was it was a pretty chaotic scene

13:44

for for.

13:45

My brother and I.

13:46

And my

13:48

earliest memories are all doug

13:50

They're all self soothing, hiding,

13:53

scared, rocking, just

13:56

waiting for my dad to.

13:57

Get home to feel comforted. You know, to feel

13:59

comforted.

14:00

It was who was who

14:02

was caused? Who was causing the chaos? What wasn't

14:05

you and your brother?

14:06

So my my oldest

14:08

half brother, Mike is

14:10

is you know, now a firefighter in Beachwood,

14:13

Ohio, and he

14:15

he was graduated

14:17

from high school and off

14:20

into the military. You

14:22

know, when I was kind of

14:24

just getting into like I remember

14:27

like grade school maybe, but

14:29

the the what was

14:31

causing most of the problem was my brother Mark.

14:34

You know, I don't have a relationship. You

14:37

know, he himself got into a lot of

14:39

trouble in high school

14:41

and and was kind of out of the scene as

14:43

soon as he turned

14:46

eighteen. And

14:48

you know, like I said, my dad worked night shift my whole

14:50

life. So as soon as my dad was out of the house, it

14:53

was just it was it was a free

14:55

it was a free run for for my

14:57

you know, a high school kid, and and you

14:59

know he was you know, drugs

15:03

party and you know, people at the house all

15:05

the time. It just was a wild scene.

15:08

And I remember a lot of nights hiding

15:10

under you know, hiding under the bed and

15:12

and just waiting for my dad to get home in the morning.

15:15

And that was kind

15:17

of you know what

15:19

we knew, so I didn't know it was anything different.

15:21

I lived in a normal neighborhood. I didn't know

15:23

I didn't live in you know, it wasn't like I grew

15:25

up in, you know,

15:28

a place that you know, we weren't poor,

15:31

we weren't rich by any means, but it was just a regular

15:33

middle class neighborhood.

15:34

And it was it was all

15:37

I knew.

15:37

And uh, you know, I think once

15:40

my brother left the house, things

15:42

started to settle in a little bit. And then we

15:46

would see my mom twice a week, my brother,

15:48

Matt and I, and it

15:52

got to a point where, you know, we

15:54

were seeing her less often and less often.

15:57

And you know, when I was tenure

16:00

years old, we were over at her house

16:02

and she

16:05

was in a physically abusive relationship

16:07

and it happened in front

16:09

of us, and

16:12

she was able to get us in the car

16:14

and drive us back to my dad's

16:16

house and drop us off. And that

16:19

was the last time I ever saw my mom

16:21

or spoke to my mom my entire life.

16:25

And what I

16:27

remember about that, Doug, was I was relieved.

16:30

I hated going over there. I did

16:32

not like having to go over to

16:34

this house twice a week. And

16:37

be around the person she was married

16:39

to. And for me

16:42

and my brother Matt, who was just eighteen

16:45

months older than me, it's

16:47

kind of the defining point in our lives.

16:49

This is kind of when I took off and

16:52

became this academic athlete,

16:55

and it's kind of when my brother met started having some

16:57

problems and kind of became the under

17:00

compensator. That's how he was, you know, responded

17:02

to the trauma and we went completely

17:06

different paths, you

17:08

know, through our through middle school and high school.

17:12

So you know, for me, it

17:15

was more of a relief now. But it was just my

17:18

dad and my brother Matt in the house,

17:20

and it was kind of my

17:23

time where there.

17:24

It didn't seem there were as many distractions.

17:26

I wasn't quite as afraid

17:30

and and for me that's

17:32

kind of like where I started to do

17:34

really well in school and do really well.

17:36

On the athletic field.

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17:51

We show up at Harvard well

17:53

year I got to Harvard

17:55

in nineteen ninety seven.

17:58

Show up at Harvard night ninety

18:00

seven, North Campton, Ohio. What

18:03

do you remember about stepping on campus

18:05

in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

18:09

I remember the

18:11

one thing I remembered is I felt

18:14

I felt, I like escaped.

18:19

Being back home. And I really

18:21

felt a lot of relief when I got there immediately,

18:25

and then just the the just

18:29

the it's hard to pre to describe, you know.

18:31

We got there two weeks early for football

18:33

camps, so campus was empty. I

18:37

remember feeling very proud of

18:39

myself, like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm

18:41

here, you know, that type of feeling. And

18:46

I thought that geographical relocation

18:50

was gonna allow me to

18:52

start to feel better mentally physically,

18:55

and yeah, initially

18:57

I did. Initially I kind of had this

19:00

this you know, as if we were in camp, we were playing,

19:03

and there

19:06

was that initial you know, relief

19:08

and kind of dissipation of some of my anxiety

19:12

and some of the emotional just kind of

19:14

stress that I always felt when I was in high school.

19:18

But we all

19:20

know they all

19:22

the trauma and all the underlying factors

19:25

were still there. I wasn't working on it at

19:27

all.

19:27

And so well, it was also

19:29

it's also before the time when we need to work on

19:31

it, you know, like, let's

19:33

just kind of be honest, right, Like I

19:36

I didn't come from what I would I

19:38

would consider an abusive home. You

19:40

know, there was obviously, uh

19:43

that generation of parents, even

19:45

the ones that were still married like mine,

19:48

there was a.

19:48

Different way of treating

19:51

you. You know. It's like.

19:54

It's like you did your dad ever sit down and do

19:56

homework. Were like, no, we just don'd you to

19:58

get that shit done. Do it

20:00

well, you know, get your grades, or

20:03

you don't play basketball. It was really that simple, right,

20:06

But there's definitely I I escaped

20:08

southern California, no question to

20:11

go to Notre Dame, and I remember showing up

20:13

and having many of the same feelings. Now,

20:16

I would tell you that, you know, like

20:19

we're obviously both bright. We wouldn't have made

20:21

it to where we made it if we weren't. On

20:24

the other hand, I

20:27

will tell you that I remember by

20:30

Notre Dame, I got to be in a class.

20:32

There's one class a semester. I was

20:34

taught by Father Malloy. Mark Malloy was the

20:37

president of Notre Dame at the time, and

20:39

he was an English professor, and

20:41

so I was one of the twelve advisors to each

20:44

select one person to get to be in a special class.

20:46

The class is actually taught in the Golden Dome.

20:48

About that, and.

20:53

The first class that thought the class was only

20:55

on a Sunday night and

20:57

he get downe do a mass, and then he come in and he'd do

20:59

a class.

20:59

And it was a very

21:02

simple format. We read a.

21:03

Novel book every week and

21:06

then you had to write a paper that was more than a page less

21:08

than two. But the first

21:10

week we went around the room, we kind of told our stories

21:12

in the like I don't know, like twelve

21:15

of us.

21:15

I mean, say you had like Tennis, tell your story or.

21:18

And I just remember, like I mean my story.

21:21

The headlines were good Jewish

21:24

kids, Southern California. Mom

21:26

went to Syracuse, Dad to Ohio State. You

21:29

know, basketball player, et

21:31

cetera, et cetera. But

21:35

it wasn't really a lot of granular details.

21:37

Right like they recruited me. I thought

21:39

I could start. I love the idea of Notre Dame, what

21:41

it could do for me when

21:43

I was done playing. And then I hear

21:45

all these stories of these people and things

21:48

they've accomplished, the places they came from, and

21:50

I'm like, oh my god, I'm the

21:52

dumbest, least accomplished person in this

21:54

room.

21:56

I like, I just basketball player.

21:59

That's how I felt at that point, And

22:04

I don't did what was

22:06

that? Like you when you you're around

22:08

campus and like, look, not everybody

22:10

at Harvard is some some genius,

22:13

but there's much a much higher percentage

22:15

of people who are really really intellectually

22:18

elite.

22:19

What was it? What was that element of a love?

22:22

Yeah, that's a you know, to

22:25

be one hundred percent honest, I was

22:27

never I

22:30

was so self involved and so concerned

22:33

with just surviving day

22:35

to day. I never got too

22:37

overwhelmed by the elites

22:40

and the money and the prestige

22:42

of the place.

22:44

You know, to be honest, Doug like that the

22:47

that feeling like a fraud and feeling

22:49

like do I really belong? I

22:51

had? I had that.

22:53

I started having that in high school. You know,

22:55

you know, are people going to find out?

22:58

You know that that was kind of you know,

23:00

the gist of my story was and

23:03

you just said it on the on the ledger, like

23:05

my ledger all ranked high in my class,

23:08

perfect grades, captain of the basketball

23:10

team, football team.

23:11

Like on paper, it was as

23:13

pretty as it could get.

23:15

And you know, I knew, and

23:17

I've shared this in some and some talks

23:19

I've given, Like the summer going into

23:22

my freshman year of college, I.

23:23

Knew something was wrong. I knew something

23:25

was off.

23:26

I knew there was no way other people

23:28

felt like this, you know, inside

23:30

between their ears, and you

23:33

know, like I said, when I got to

23:35

Harvard, for those first few weeks, it

23:37

kind of dissipated, and I think, maybe this is what

23:40

I needed, Maybe this is what I'm just I just needed

23:42

to get away. But

23:45

really soon it all started to seep

23:47

back in. And are

23:49

they going to find out that, you know, how

23:51

bad I'm hurting physically and they

23:53

just wasted this recruiting spot, you know,

23:56

not that it's that big of a deal at Harvard,

23:58

but you know, the coaches take this uff seriously.

24:00

And are people going to realize that I'm

24:02

not that smart?

24:03

You know?

24:03

And I just studied my butt off every night,

24:06

and you know, I was really good at memorizing stuff.

24:08

So like that feeling that like I'm

24:10

going to get found out, and what

24:12

that had me to do was really

24:14

start to isolate that

24:17

that that's what that's what ies

24:19

were.

24:20

So when when did you hurt your shoulder?

24:23

I had my first surgery right after my

24:26

freshman season. So that that that winter of

24:29

nine.

24:29

Did you actually do you remember when you heard it, Remember the

24:31

moment you heard it?

24:33

Oh back in high school? You know what I

24:35

mean.

24:35

It was one of those deals where you know, it just kept

24:37

it kept grinding on me, and they got

24:39

to that point.

24:40

Where you know, I needed to get it cleaned up.

24:42

And you know, I ended up having

24:44

three surgeries within eighteen

24:46

months, you know, and and never have

24:49

gotten physically well enough where

24:51

you know, I still feel like my shoulders great or anything.

24:53

It's uh, it's

24:56

it's hard to describe, and I think very few

24:58

people can understand unless

25:01

they have dealt with debility, debilitating

25:04

anxiety, just what it can do

25:06

to you physically and how it throws

25:08

your whole body off a whack. And

25:11

I think for me, it all started with a back injury

25:13

back in like eighth grade, and it just kind of

25:15

got the mechanism of my body

25:17

just completely out of whack. And that's where

25:20

you know, I started having issues with my shoulder and

25:22

my hip and everything else. So, like

25:25

I said, I was I felt like I was falling

25:27

apart before I was even a senior in high school.

25:29

To be honest with you, So, you.

25:33

Have shoulder surgery. Did

25:36

you take pain pills?

25:36

In yes, I

25:39

remember that

25:42

feeling the first time I ever took a pain

25:44

pill, of that

25:46

immediate relief, the

25:49

world slowed down. But

25:54

through all those surgeries and the amount

25:57

of medication I took, never

26:00

did it become a habit. Never

26:02

did it become something that, you

26:06

know, once the prescriptions would have run out,

26:08

that I would be seeking more of it. I'd

26:10

always get kind of get back into my routine

26:12

and and and get back into,

26:16

you know, just the regular riggors of college.

26:18

So that that was my first exposure

26:21

to paying medication. Obviously

26:23

not the last part of my

26:26

connection and my story to paying medication, but

26:28

that was my first time, you know, being exposed

26:31

to it when I was nineteen years old.

26:33

You so, did you stay with the

26:35

football team after

26:38

these three surgeries?

26:39

You not stay with How

26:41

does it work?

26:42

So basically, after after my sophomore

26:45

sophomore spring football I

26:47

had the third surgery, I went

26:49

home to Canton, Ohio and took a whole

26:51

year off of school, you

26:54

know, because in the IVY League they don't really

26:56

red shirt, so I wanted to. I wanted

26:58

to get healthy and play, so I want to take

27:00

an entire year off of school. I went home,

27:04

try to do everything I could to get healthy, and

27:07

that year ended up just being a waste

27:10

of a year because I couldn't get healthy physically, I

27:12

was just getting worse mentally. And

27:14

then returned to Harvard my final two

27:16

years just as a regular student, not

27:19

not a part of the football.

27:20

Team, just as a just as a regular,

27:23

you know student at Harvard.

27:25

When you were at home, What was it like that.

27:28

Ended up becoming.

27:31

More, you know, once

27:33

I realized that I wasn't playing, it just it

27:35

just became a lot of socialization,

27:38

going to visit friends at different colleges, taking

27:40

a lot.

27:40

Of trips, you

27:42

know. At

27:45

that point, you know, my brother.

27:48

Was really struggling at

27:50

home and has continued

27:52

to struggle to this day. So I remember

27:55

that year specifically. I didn't like being

27:57

at home. So as soon as i'd be

27:59

home and I finally kind of felt this

28:02

pain and a lot of the sadness

28:04

that was inside that home, I

28:06

didn't want to be I didn't want to be there, so I

28:08

would look for another trip to go on. I'd

28:10

go visit my friend at Florida, state, I'd go visit

28:12

my friend. I spent a lot of time.

28:14

Working at a sporting good store as.

28:16

Much as I could do, just to stay out of the house.

28:19

And that's kind of been the

28:22

repeating theme, you know, with my relationship

28:25

with North Campton, Ohio and my home to

28:28

this very day.

28:32

All right, that's it for part one of Josh

28:34

Lucas from

28:36

humble beginnings and of course understanding

28:39

now all the things.

28:40

That you probably should have processed back

28:42

then. Right, we

28:45

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29:04

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29:06

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29:08

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