0:06

Andy, and welcome in. I'm Doug Gollie. This is

0:10

all fall and now that we're into March,

0:13

right, there's lots of conversations about

0:16

all the stupid shit we always talk about, right,

0:18

who's in, who's out, who's on the bubble, what

0:21

coach is getting fired. We even did

0:23

that for a podcast ourselves right where we with

0:26

Jeff Goodman we talked about coaching jobs and

0:29

and and who bet might moving. I will

0:31

tell you that at the point of this, uh

0:35

this podcast on Monday,

0:38

March eleventh, when we recorded, when

0:41

we dropped it, Porter

0:43

Mosure. There's lots of internet rumors

0:45

that he'll be the coaching to Paul. I've been told unequivocally

0:49

that's not gonna happen, So

0:52

take it for what it's worth. I've just been told by

0:54

it from him from a friend of his that

0:57

I know listens to the pod, that

1:00

that had happened. It is interesting,

1:03

though, because Porter had such success loyal

1:05

in Chicago and he hasn't had no

1:07

success in Oklahoma, but last year was not very

1:09

good. This year they're going to limp their way

1:12

into the NCAA tournament and we'll see,

1:14

you know. But he did turn that thing around, but

1:16

it's not to the level that it was when

1:19

Lon Krueger was there and they went to

1:21

a five four. Oklahoma is a job

1:23

that a lot of people have been successful at, you know, Billy

1:26

Tubbs, Calvin Sampson, at

1:28

John McCleod, even Jeff

1:30

Caple though it didn't end well. Remember they were the number

1:32

one seed when he had Blake Griffin. They've

1:36

they've all had success there and he's

1:38

yet to achieve that that peak of

1:40

success at OU and they're going

1:42

the SEC which I don't just may not

1:44

fit with how he wants to coach, but I don't

1:47

think DePaul is. They

1:49

may think of themselves as hey, we could become Creighton

1:51

where he played, and I'm sure that's ultimately

1:53

his dream job. And part of this is that dream is not

1:55

coming to Fruition because you

1:57

know, Greg McDermott resigned. But

2:02

I just I've been told that De Paul's not happening

2:04

for him, So we'll see. But

2:06

a guy who could get a head coaching job is

2:10

Joseph Jones. Joe Jones. Now if

2:12

you remember that name, you're like, how do I know him

2:15

from? I know him from?

2:18

And the answer is I played

2:20

at A and M, Like, oh, yeah,

2:22

that's right, he did play at A and M.

2:25

Yeah. I mean, think about this that they

2:28

have the longest winning streak in their Division

2:30

One history, which is short, right, at

2:33

ten games. They have

2:35

their most wins in conference

2:37

history since joined the Whack sixteen wins,

2:40

most wins since they've gone to Division One at twenty

2:42

three in counting. Now they can't go to the NCAA

2:44

tournament because the four year probationary period, which

2:47

is dumb, is really dumb.

2:50

But under Billy Clyde, Billy Gillespie,

2:52

who of course has taken a leave of absence

2:55

from Charlton State in

2:58

games decided by seven points

3:00

or less, they

3:02

were ten and seventeen under Billy Clyde.

3:05

Under Joe Jones, who of course again remembers

3:07

the interim coach, and Billy's supposed to come back next year

3:09

and just got a contract extension, they're ten

3:11

and three this year, right,

3:16

and they had basically a

3:18

completely new roster and

3:21

twenty three wins is the most for any

3:23

interim coach this season, any intercim

3:25

coach in the last five seasons.

3:27

But they won close games

3:30

and by the way, in the Ken

3:32

Palm ratings. They're number one

3:34

in luck. I don't know how that's but

3:37

it's good to be lucky. It's going to be good. It's good to be Joe

3:39

Jones, who's the interm head coach. And then

3:42

we have an announcement that

3:44

we'll get to in the middle of this conversation. So

3:46

let's do this. Okay, the

3:49

season is starting with

3:52

practice, right. Did

3:54

you have any idea that

3:57

Billy Clyde had any medical

3:59

issue taking place at all?

4:01

No? I didn't. I didn't have any any any

4:03

idea.

4:05

So, uh, you guys

4:07

are in California when he took

4:09

a lead, correct.

4:10

Yeah, we was getting ready to head to California.

4:12

Oh, you getting ready to at So how'd

4:15

you find out?

4:16

Oh? He just told us. Man, he did

4:19

everything up until, you know,

4:21

until we got ready to get on the plane the next morning.

4:24

Uh, we had practice. Rode on

4:26

on the bus with us. We have early

4:28

flights. We have to drive up there the night before

4:31

to get ready to you know, to kind of be there.

4:33

So where where where is Charleton talking

4:35

to?

4:35

An hour and a half east of Dallas,

4:38

my fault, west of Dallas, West of Dallas,

4:40

head towards Abilene, Extra off

4:42

go down two uh to

4:45

eighty one straight shot into Stephenville,

4:47

Texas.

4:48

How big a town is Stephenville?

4:51

I really don't know. It got a four A school in here?

4:53

Yeah I know that.

4:56

So so wait

4:58

but he did he when did he tell you? You guys?

5:01

Night? He told us the night before we got ready to leave,

5:04

uh next morning?

5:06

And how did he tell you were

5:08

in charge of the A D? Like? How did that all come

5:10

to me?

5:11

Yeah? He said, he said, I'm you know, I'm gonna leave it

5:13

over to you. Just

5:16

make sure you do it, do the best job you possibly

5:18

can. You know, you gotta be fine.

5:21

Uh.

5:21

Then like maybe thirty

5:24

minutes an hour later, A D calls calls

5:27

me and says, uh, you know right

5:29

now, you gotta you got you gotta,

5:32

you gotta take over.

5:33

Okay, so what who? Who did you

5:35

call immediately for like advice? Like who's

5:37

you pick up the phone? You like? He calls people like, man,

5:39

you I can believe this ship, I'm like

5:41

running this program. Who'd you call? I didn't.

5:44

I really didn't call anybody. I made

5:46

a phone call when I landed in California,

5:48

I called, Uh, I

5:51

didn't call anyone. People start reaching out

5:53

to me, actually, you know, because that's when

5:55

they it's when it came out in the in the

5:57

news that he was taking them, you know, a medical

6:00

leave, and my phone started blowing

6:02

up and they was like, so, who's coaching them? I said,

6:04

I am until until until

6:06

he gets back.

6:09

Did you know he wouldn't be back?

6:11

No, I did not know. I did not.

6:14

Did you consult with him

6:17

in terms of your decisions you were

6:19

making with what you're doing with the team.

6:22

Uh no, he coach comes in, he gives some

6:24

input. But when it came down to practice and

6:26

you know, game time stuff, that was that was

6:28

all me and and and my assistance.

6:32

So you land in California again

6:34

and like two nights before you were an

6:36

assistant coach. Now you're the head coach. Okay,

6:40

so you got to make what was that like standing

6:42

on the sideline at the so Cal

6:44

Classic as now the head coach?

6:47

It was say,

6:50

a little bit different because we used to sitting

6:52

on the sideline for the last three years just sitting

6:54

down. You don't get to stand up there much, you

6:56

know. I make it a point to stand up a little

6:58

bit more than then normal. So that

7:01

really only a difference. Then it's just man you

7:03

get to make. You just make

7:05

decisions. You know, you can always have

7:07

an input, give your opinion or advice

7:09

the coach, but it

7:12

comes down when you stand up. It comes down

7:14

to decisions you make. So that's

7:16

sounding a difference.

7:18

Yeah, it's a It is a big difference. So those

7:20

eighteen inches, that's a that's a that's a big move. So

7:22

you like, you played for Clyde in college, right,

7:25

and then and then you played fourteen

7:28

years overseas hoops thirteen

7:30

years, thirteen

7:33

years. So here's an honest thing.

7:36

I feel like when

7:38

you first start becoming a head coach, like

7:40

like you assistant too for a minute. When

7:42

you first start coaching, a lot of times you

7:46

are the guy who maybe

7:48

had the most effect on you. It's

7:50

not always what I mean

7:52

is like when you start coaching, I don't

7:54

think I'm Eddy Sutton, right, But there's

7:57

coaches along your path that you

7:59

learn from, you kind of emulate, and

8:01

especially early on before you developed kind

8:03

of your own voice, your voice is similar

8:06

to theirs. When you first

8:08

started this year, who'd you think that

8:10

you had played for that you were most

8:12

similar to?

8:15

I don't know, I don't know. It's a tough one. You

8:17

know, I've had some some pretty good coaches,

8:19

you know, but being around coach for the last

8:21

three years, you know, I think my voice kind of you

8:24

know, leaning more towards his. You

8:26

know. Uh he coached three years in college

8:28

and I was assistant here for three years before you

8:31

know, before he took the medical

8:33

lead. And but you know, just

8:35

trying. I'm not saying I'm the smartest guy

8:38

in the world, but I just try

8:40

to take, you know, different stuff

8:42

from different coaches because a lot of I've played

8:44

for a lot of good coaches and they have always

8:46

so.

8:46

So so give me, give me somebody played

8:48

for and give me somebody who take take from

8:50

them.

8:51

You know. Coach Coach Gillespie, you

8:53

know, he he's a big influence,

8:56

you know, I had. I had a coach in Puerto Rico, call those

8:58

Gunzales. You know, even though he

9:01

was like one or two years older than me, he

9:03

still was a pretty good coach.

9:04

You know, what what what about

9:06

what what about me? Carlos Gonzalez

9:09

a really good coach.

9:10

Just he you know, he always kept it like, kept

9:12

it fun, you know, but was serious

9:14

a lot of times too. We were very serious,

9:17

you know. He made sure we practiced

9:20

hard, but you know, once we got our work

9:22

done, we had we had a lot of fun as

9:24

well. So he just

9:26

he just was that coach, a real players

9:28

coach. You can always get along with him.

9:30

You know, never never a situation

9:32

where it was arguments, so any kind

9:34

of you know, any kind of bad blood

9:37

within the team. So that I took that

9:39

up. I took that a lot. You know, we enjoy

9:41

playing for him.

9:44

I think that's I think it's an important thing. It's it's really

9:46

interesting, you know. I'll give

9:48

you a couple of guys I played. So I played for My

9:50

high school coach was Andy Ground. He

9:53

was my second high school coach. Andy grad played, Uh,

9:56

I played a little with JV. I played JV and varsity.

9:58

My freshman year, he was my JV coach. He became

10:00

the varsity had coached, and he since

10:02

has gone on to win four straight four

10:04

state junior college titles. He's actually

10:06

kind of retired, but helping out of high school and

10:10

a lot of the way I talk when I coach is

10:12

him. But also he

10:14

had a belief that like every

10:16

out of bounds play, he wanted to score on right,

10:20

you want to run to score, and he

10:24

also was somebody who I

10:26

felt like would score on

10:28

the initial action and then also score

10:30

on a secondary action. And

10:32

I think most coaches try and do one

10:35

or the other. And so again it's a thought process

10:37

of mind. Is like, especially with young

10:39

kids, I try and do you score in the first action, and

10:42

with older groups you try and do both. But

10:46

the other part to it that I didn't

10:48

know I picked up from him, and it sounds

10:51

like you picked up in Puerto Rico. Is I

10:54

kind of feel like the perfect

10:58

he said players coach is guys

11:00

do want discipline, they do want to be coached.

11:03

They just don't want to carry over when

11:06

practice or the game is over correct

11:08

correct right, Like that's a real thing,

11:10

Like they won't have to You got to be around

11:13

each other a lot. And if you're constantly talking

11:15

about turnovers or mister Simon's like,

11:17

they're not gonna want to.

11:18

Be around you, to be around you, no, no,

11:20

no. And that's how it was. You know, I

11:23

had a good, good relationship with other coaches, but he

11:25

was the main one that that you

11:27

know, as soon as practice o with Jojoe,

11:29

what you what you're trying to do? Trying to get something to eat?

11:31

Let's go get something to eat. You know, we

11:33

we we used to meet up, watch watch watch

11:36

batch different you know, playoff games and stuff,

11:38

watch boxing fights, and it

11:40

was always a cool gutta be around. But I know once

11:42

we got on the court, you know, that was he was. He

11:45

was the coach when I was a player. You know, I respected

11:47

him a lot, and you know he made

11:49

ship may just wanted to win. We both

11:51

had the same come and go that was the win.

11:55

So one

11:57

of the things that assistant coaches do all the time is

11:59

they always think, when I get my own

12:01

team, I'm gonna do this. What

12:04

was the biggest adjustment you made

12:07

as you started to get comfortable in

12:09

being the interneat coach.

12:12

Just probably just my you

12:14

know, just being patient with the players. You

12:17

know, as as as an assistant coach, I

12:19

think your your your job is to

12:21

always be on them for us, trying

12:24

to have them, you know, do things

12:26

a little bit quicker so you can help the coach out,

12:28

you know, because the coach got to think about other things.

12:30

So you just want the players to be Hey man, you

12:32

got to pick it up, you got to go. You got to make

12:34

decisions. That's that's decision faster, because that's

12:36

what we see the coach got is trying to worry about

12:38

how to run the team, how to how to manage the game. Just

12:41

you need to do this a little bit quicker. So I

12:44

think being patient, you

12:46

know, and just letting the players try

12:48

to understand, you know, the game, but

12:51

for for them, you know. My main goal was

12:53

not to try to change up a lot of any

12:55

a lot of things because I didn't know if coach was

12:57

coming back or when he was coming back, you know, so

13:00

I didn't want to. I didn't want to make at all

13:02

these changes to something that you know, I'm

13:04

used to far as a uh

13:07

mostly playing professional ball. So

13:10

I wanted to make sure I kept its simple, you

13:12

know. I plug in a couple of different things every

13:14

once while from different plays, you know, in

13:16

certain situations that we might do just you

13:18

know, maybe a ball screening coverage, something

13:21

like that. Just trying to mix up a game. And that's that's

13:23

that's the only thing I really done.

13:25

I feel like those of us when we get to play overseas,

13:30

there's just so many different ways in which

13:32

they do things right. And

13:35

again, you don't want to take all of them, but

13:37

you take some of them, And

13:39

it's great because you it's

13:42

very different from how college has traditionally

13:44

been coached, right, Like I do

13:46

feel like I get it end of

13:48

the day. It's about you know, ball street at the

13:50

topic key. But it does feel like guys that have coached in college,

13:53

they keep doing the same things over and over again

13:55

because that's how we were coached in college,

13:59

whereas the guys that extended periods of time

14:01

overseas you got a little bit different player

14:03

to it. What what what did you

14:05

glean most from all your days playing professionally

14:07

that you like to bring to the college game.

14:10

Just you know, the the

14:14

most used set that I think they're

14:16

using collage now could possibly the horn set.

14:19

Yes, you can get so much

14:21

out of it. So you

14:23

know, we coach had

14:25

a horn set in there, but it really wasn't you know,

14:28

just the regular you know, boss spring roll

14:30

and pop up of guy pop. So you know,

14:32

I put a couple of different variations

14:34

of it, and it just from playing and you

14:36

know we've used it a lot this year. You

14:40

know, I want to use ice, but I don't

14:42

just I don't think I don't think the guys understand

14:45

how to play that boss screen defense.

14:47

So but just

14:50

you know, trying to be a little bit more up up tempo

14:52

with things, you know,

14:55

getting a little bit more freedom. That's

14:57

how that's that's the game I'm used to. You

14:59

know.

15:00

Interesting, I feel like I feel like international

15:02

rules and you tell them what you think.

15:04

If you think differently, is cool. I

15:07

love the international rules, I really

15:09

do. I don't like the way the international game is

15:11

officiated, you know. I want to make sure people understand

15:13

that. I think the officiating is terrible, right,

15:16

the interpretation of traveling I don't get

15:18

like. There's lots of things, but the international rules,

15:21

you know, like no bask

15:24

interference, that's great. I mean your offensive rebound

15:26

you go get a tip dug with the ball in the rim. Awesome,

15:28

awesome, or you could smack it off with on the rim.

15:30

I like that. The

15:33

reset, the twenty four seconds o'clock, the

15:36

quarters, the lack of timeouts

15:38

you can't call it live ball timeout. Like all

15:40

of those things I really like and

15:42

I think it creates a better flow to

15:45

the game that we

15:47

that we have. What about your use

15:49

of timeouts.

15:50

I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm not a time

15:52

I got I'm not a time out got I

15:55

call them, but you know, I

15:57

just people always say, may

16:00

you got to seek out all your time outs. Yeah, I know,

16:02

you know, I call him when I have to just try

16:04

to, you know, change up the game. But you know, my

16:06

guy's been doing a good good job this year

16:09

of uh you know, just staying locked

16:11

in the game, and they I

16:14

haven't had to call them. I haven't haven't

16:16

had to call you know, I don't want to draw

16:18

up anything that just this

16:20

is ravaging play because I don't That's not who

16:22

I am. Uh. We practice everything

16:25

that we do, you know, so you

16:27

know, the guys are always prepared. You know. I

16:29

was talking to a coach not too long ago. He's like, man, you got

16:31

to have this play ready, this play ready. I

16:33

said, I really can't just sit here and tell

16:35

you I have a go to play. I have

16:38

to see how the game is been progressing, what they

16:40

have been doing, what I think they might do,

16:42

and I have plays ready for that, you

16:45

know, and that we guys have been running this whole

16:47

season. So you

16:49

know that that's that's how I've

16:52

been playing for the past thirteen years.

16:54

We didn't have a lot of sets, but you

16:56

know, we had plays and they

16:58

you know, could go against any any style of defense.

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How's the staff been to you been good.

17:16

Been good man. The guys been working hard. Man,

17:19

It's been fun. They've We've been having a lot of

17:21

fun. We've been in jaring, being around each other.

17:23

You know, it's never any problems when we traveling,

17:25

never any problems when we're in the office. Man,

17:27

it's been it's been really fun.

17:31

What about the players. Was there a moment

17:33

that you feel like it

17:36

became your team?

17:38

I don't know, God to understand

17:41

there's been a different The

17:44

only thing changed is I've became acting

17:46

head coach. That's on thing changed. I

17:49

still treated the kids the same way. I

17:51

still went to study Hall with them every night. We

17:53

really while when we had

17:56

study Hall, I still ran study Hall. I

17:58

was still in there with them every night. So that

18:00

dynamic and that situation never changed.

18:03

I've been there with them just like if I was

18:05

assistant coach the whole time. You

18:07

know, only thing, you know, I used

18:09

to go to waits a lot in the morning, but now,

18:12

you know, I let guys take that every once in a while.

18:15

Wait wait, she still did the study all but you don't do the weights.

18:18

Yeah, ways,

18:20

I can't. I did it too long and I'm

18:22

like, let me just sleep in just a little bit.

18:25

But I still I still do the study hall every night,

18:27

you know. So I'm still in there with the kids, listening

18:30

to everything they going through, you know, helping them

18:32

out with anything that they you know, need help on.

18:34

So yeah, I'm still doing the study hall.

18:36

Okay, how about this the

18:39

last two years, where did you sit on

18:41

the bus?

18:43

I said, right

18:46

at the end of the coaches, right before

18:48

the players.

18:49

Right right, you're the you're the right,

18:52

You're still in the same place, same place, and

18:56

you didn't do head coaches always front seat, right

18:58

Yeah. Yeah, I

19:00

think the best part of being the head coach is you never

19:03

can be late to the.

19:04

Bus, right right, right?

19:06

That is that is the best. That's

19:08

the best. You know. I'll

19:10

make it a point, you know, to you

19:12

know, just make sure the guys are owned

19:15

before I come out. I'm like, you know, I told her, you

19:17

know, told a couple of coaches. You know, just

19:19

let me get give me your heads up if anybody late,

19:21

you know, we're going to always set the time to

19:24

where we are on time. You

19:26

know, we'll leave early. But you know, because

19:28

if we say the bus leave it at

19:31

three forty five, we had the guys loading

19:33

up by three thirty. So if I get okay,

19:36

everybody in the bus at three thirty, we out

19:38

by three, you know, by three thirty five. So

19:40

I'm right there ready to go, you know, and

19:43

we get some time there. I'm not the guy if

19:45

we leave it three forty five. I'm coming down at

19:47

three forty five. Now, let's get to the gym.

19:49

Let's get set it in.

19:50

You know, I get it, But it

19:53

does, it does. Being a head coach does allow you

19:55

to occasionally you got to take a leak, You

19:57

forget something in the room. You don't have to worry about it. It ain't

19:59

leave without me.

20:00

Yeah, I don't want to be that guy.

20:03

I don't want to be that guy, you know. And

20:05

I don't know. I was talking to I

20:08

was talking to somebody just the other day and they was like, man,

20:10

so if you ever become a head coach, what

20:12

you're gonna do? I said, I go back and forth with its

20:14

far as should I keep going to study

20:17

hall with the kids. It's not for

20:20

me. I really enjoy, you

20:22

know, being in study hall. We do what we do,

20:24

our work, the guys who they work. Then for

20:26

the last ten fifteen minutes, man,

20:28

I try to talk to them with life,

20:31

no matter what it is, you know, try to

20:33

give them some of my experiences, so help them

20:35

grow up, you know. So they have somebody that

20:37

can probably talk to. And it's been

20:40

good. It's been good, all right, give me

20:42

the.

20:43

Okay, So they asked you, a coach, give

20:46

me the craziest overseas story. You got.

20:49

Give me one.

20:51

Craziest old seed story. I keep

20:54

it PG, I keep it PG. Okay,

20:57

PG right now. So the crazy old

20:59

seed story for me was a situation that me and

21:01

j pre Prince was in when we were

21:03

playing basketball in Iran and

21:05

Trump had the he

21:07

did the band for the Muslim countries.

21:10

We was just flying from Iran to go

21:12

to Dubai to

21:15

to renew our visas and we're

21:17

supposed to be doing that for baby two to three days.

21:19

You know. He put the band on soon as we touched down Dubai

21:22

phone it started blowing up, blowing up, blowing

21:24

up, you know, Iran can't Trump

21:27

said Muslim concert. Muslim

21:29

coms can come to America. Iran does the

21:31

same thing and not sept An Americans.

21:34

So it a two day, three day trip turned

21:36

to a five day trip and

21:39

everybody's calling, what you're gonna do, What's

21:41

going to happen? Like, what's going on?

21:43

And we was like, I have no idea. I just

21:46

know I brought one bag to Dubai

21:49

and all the rest of my stuff is in Iran.

21:51

I don't know if I'm going to ever get to go back to get

21:53

it or what. So we ended

21:55

up staying there five days. Uh. The

21:57

president of our team, he ended up calling the Secretary

22:00

defense because that was you know, they was teammates

22:02

on soccer team back in the day and we were

22:04

the only two Americans they were allowed to get a

22:06

visa to get back into our ring.

22:09

What was it like playing that ring?

22:11

It was actually it was okay,

22:14

it was okay. It's it's different.

22:16

You know, none of the American stuff worked, no credit

22:18

card, no cell phone, nothing, a

22:20

lot of traffic. But people are cool,

22:24

but you know you don't have that. That was the

22:26

food food really good. Food

22:28

is really good. You know, just don't have no freedom.

22:30

That's it. You don't have you don't have that much that freedom.

22:33

We had to have a driver and then when we go

22:35

somewhere, the driver had to stay with us because

22:38

you know, you never know what can happen to you over there.

22:40

You say one wrong to me, the government can

22:42

come, come, come find you, and they come

22:44

scoop you up.

22:46

That's crazy. Uh,

22:48

it's amazing. So my

22:51

my Dubai story was I was playing

22:53

this is well before you It's two

22:55

thousand and one, us playing in Russia, and

22:59

we had had a break and the team

23:01

went to train in Dubai and this

23:03

is Dubai wasn't as evolved as

23:05

it is now. And because I'm

23:07

one Jewish and two you

23:09

know, I had been to Israel a bunch. There's a bunch of Hebrew

23:11

writing on my passport and they're like, yo, they

23:14

will not let you into the country. Yeah,

23:17

will not let you into the country. So

23:20

so I had I literally had

23:22

to stay in perm Russia

23:25

and one of like the youth

23:27

team coach worked

23:30

me out twice a day every day

23:33

like crazy shit running.

23:36

They I used to do this thing where they do like you

23:38

must have made ten three pointers

23:41

all right, like nobody feeding

23:43

you. You got to go and get it, and they like time you to

23:45

see how pass and then you get a simple water and you go

23:47

do it again, and do it again, do it

23:49

again, and you like get an hour workout where you're

23:51

feeding yourself and going full court and

23:53

you got to get your own missus. I'm like, this is crazy.

23:56

Meanwhile, you know they came back and those dudes

23:58

had pictures they did camel rd hanging

24:01

out and they practiced hard whatever, but

24:03

they chilled. I was like, man, because

24:05

I had Hebrew on my passport.

24:07

No, I had to get it. I had to get a whole new passport

24:09

before I went to Iran because I played in

24:11

Israel two years, so

24:13

I had to get a whole new passport. In my agent

24:15

like you not getting in with that passport. We got

24:17

to got to get a new passport.

24:19

I'm like, where who did you play for in Israel?

24:22

First year, I was in for the lead good

24:24

ball up in the

24:26

north. Yeah. In the second year we won

24:28

championship out with Ruce Line.

24:32

That was pretty cool, right, that was the

24:34

the you know, they opened a new arena now, which is

24:36

really nice.

24:37

So when I that year that

24:39

I played for him. They were just opening

24:41

up that arena. That the last thing that

24:43

they had. It wasn't even fully completed

24:46

yet we played in it. Still

24:48

had still doing construction and while we're playing

24:50

in it. So and we won the championship that year

24:52

in it. So yeah, I had,

24:54

I got had some I guess stories about Israel. I

24:57

loved it over there and jored it.

24:59

Give me, give me one PG one.

25:01

PG one probably had to be

25:03

the time I thought I thought I was going to

25:05

jail because I'm you know, we had

25:07

played, we had played in uh in

25:09

Tel Aviv. I can't remember who we played

25:11

against. I go back home, I

25:14

go back to Jerusalem and then you know, me

25:17

and my guys we come. We come back

25:19

like hey man, let's go out, you know, let's

25:21

have a little fun.

25:22

We come so the team, the team had a bus and

25:24

you went all the way back to Jerusalem.

25:26

Yeah, which is like.

25:27

On a bus, it's like an hour.

25:28

Yeah.

25:29

Then you turn around like, yeah, now let's go out and

25:31

tell tell nothing nothing

25:33

happens in Jerusalem.

25:35

Yeah, nothing nothing. So we go back to Tel Aviv

25:37

to go out and like it's

25:39

a heel that you know, that's

25:41

coming from going to lead in Tel Aviv and

25:44

we rolled next thing. I know,

25:46

cops, I'm like, I've had

25:48

I've been playing in Europe everywhere for a

25:50

long time. Cops do not have

25:52

radar detective radar guns and

25:55

like, yeah, you're doing this and doing this and that, and I'm

25:57

like, we're just trying to go, you

25:59

know, we to go out a little bit. Tell them what

26:01

team we played for, and at that point in time,

26:03

we were doing pretty good. So they like,

26:06

well, you know, if

26:09

you if we see this car again coming

26:12

back through in a couple of hours, whatever,

26:14

we're going to stop you. So you gotta make you gotta figure

26:16

you got to figure it out. So man, I went

26:18

to Tel Aviv, we went out, I had a good time. And one

26:20

of my other boys, he was playing for a team, he

26:22

was playing for Rishon Jeremy

26:26

Smith went to Georgia

26:29

table you spend at his highse I'm like, nah,

26:31

I ain't drinking that drive back because i

26:33

know for sure they gonna take it. They're taking the scene.

26:35

So yeah, the

26:38

best part about playing Israel is when

26:40

I was there, we had a guy Jesse

26:42

Salters, was like an old head play

26:44

South Florida, and yeah, I never forget. He got

26:46

Thanksgiving party and you know, you got

26:49

anywhere from two to four or five Americans

26:52

on the first division teams. Second division

26:54

teams has a couple, Third division teams

26:56

have a couple. So we had like Dick

26:59

the Americans at a Thanksgiving

27:01

party, and you just you felt like you're at home,

27:03

whereas everywhere else you go you're really

27:05

really isolated.

27:06

Really isolated, you know, and that was That's

27:09

a good thing, but also a bad thing because then you

27:11

you know, guys, yo,

27:14

this you might know this guy. He might have a beef with

27:17

one of your other boys because they played in the game, know,

27:19

the different country. So now like, okay,

27:22

I see you a man, like what's going

27:24

on? You know, and it's always

27:26

but it was fun over there because you know, I

27:29

got to meet be with guys that you know, that I

27:31

haven't met seen in a long time since maybe

27:33

high school, like Germans. He won of them guys.

27:35

We played against each other in high school, you

27:37

know. Then he went to Georgia Tech and went to a

27:39

and m I ain't seen him in a while, but we was always

27:42

close, you know, when we went to camps and stuff. Played

27:44

each other in high school. So just you

27:46

know, be able to kick you to him for a whole pretty

27:48

much a year. You know, it

27:50

was fun. It was real fun.

27:52

Yeah, it's an amazing part of the

27:54

experience. The best teammate you had overseas

27:57

was.

27:57

Who probably be John's

28:00

stepherson. We

28:05

played together in Spain, two years in Iceland.

28:07

He from Iceland, though he played he got he

28:09

paid for the Mavericks a couple of years too. So,

28:12

uh, you know, he's been around, he'd

28:14

been around. He was older, he was old. He was

28:16

old head when I when I played with him,

28:18

but he was you know, still very good, very

28:20

effective.

28:21

What what what made him so such a good teammate?

28:24

He just you know, I was on

28:27

a black guy on the team and he

28:29

was you know, he just he played with a bunch of guys

28:31

like he he played with uh you

28:33

know, he played with David Hawkins. You know, he

28:35

was just the older guy, been around, so

28:37

he knew he understood what was going, you know,

28:40

he understood on the court and out the court.

28:42

So that's what we That's

28:44

what that's how we connected a lot.

28:47

What what is that? What is that like? Because

28:49

like again it's it's really interesting

28:52

because in the States, you know, like

28:55

I mean again, I don't know. Your experience obviously

28:58

is a different place, feels

29:00

like a really white campus. But you you, but

29:03

you do. But you have you know, you got all the sports

29:05

teams whatever, you got people, and you get

29:07

your teammates. So I'm

29:09

sure you experienced some of an m

29:12

but it's not just the best, like you're literally

29:14

the first black person they've ever seen in life.

29:16

Yeah, yeah, what's that

29:18

experience like?

29:20

For me? It was cool. I come from a small town,

29:22

so it's not that many people, not many black people

29:24

in our town. Everybody's king each other as black

29:26

most for the most part. But once

29:28

you go over there, you're you know a

29:31

lot of people start thinking you're African,

29:33

you know, so that

29:35

that's the only difference depending on what country

29:37

you go to. You know, I played in France for three years,

29:40

prayed in Spain for three years. You know, I

29:43

paid in Turkey for one you know, Turkey, when

29:46

they see you, you know, black, they think you

29:48

you know you you you're African and

29:50

your Muslim. So you get a lot of that. But

29:54

it's just when you.

29:55

Know, man, I like I like bacon, I like

29:57

Va.

30:00

I can't give it up. So you know that's

30:02

that's you know, that's what you tell them. But you know they

30:05

friendly very friendly.

30:07

Question but it's still but it's still it's still

30:09

key, you know, like like I'm a human

30:11

being. Like you know, they're like, but look

30:14

at you as if you're there's something out of

30:16

a out of a out of a dream run of a

30:18

movie.

30:20

You because you're black, you're American. You know,

30:22

they think you from New York most time. I'm

30:24

not from New York. I don't

30:28

New York is a way a long way from

30:30

Texas. You know, I want

30:32

to go to New York. I'm not from New York.

30:35

You can come to Texas, come to Houston. Yeah, we'll show

30:37

you good time down there too. Uh.

30:42

The weirdest jim you ever played in.

30:45

You know, the you know, most of the gym in Israel. I got

30:47

the one side like it's high school.

30:48

Yeah, yes, so

30:52

I played in one. I played in one in Russia

30:55

and mineral and it's called mineral Voda

30:58

like translates the mineral water. It's in the South

31:00

and they had an American

31:03

dude who played there forever I forget his name, old

31:05

head whatever. He made a bunch of money and it was

31:07

the ugliest town ever. And we go to this gym

31:10

and it's got a wall like it

31:12

felt like a foot from the sidelines, and

31:15

then like on the other side there

31:17

was a couple of rows of stands, and then in

31:20

the baseline there was like probably

31:22

ten rows of stands, and then they had

31:25

like a track balcony that went on

31:27

the top and that was like five deep in people

31:29

standing to watch the game. And I was like, this shit looks

31:31

dangerous as hell. But I'm thinking to

31:33

myself, like we had the best

31:35

team in Rush of the year. I was there, and

31:37

we had expensive team and we're playing in some

31:40

yanky ass at gim. You're like, damn.

31:44

All right, No, I went and paid one

31:46

month in Dominic Republic and

31:49

going to the gym and you look up

31:52

like that's outside, that's

31:57

it goes a wall, a

32:00

big gap, big space, being

32:02

a roof, you birds flying

32:05

through, you know, using the rest of them

32:07

on the court. I'm like, what where are we at?

32:09

But when I tell you, it was rocking,

32:13

It was rocking in there. We

32:15

sweating this so hot, so humid, but

32:18

man, the crowd is into it. Every

32:20

time you we score, crowd

32:23

go crazy. They scored they going crazy.

32:25

That's probably the craziest gym I ever you

32:27

know, played in right there.

32:29

You know, it's interesting. So for people who don't know

32:31

and come, I'm wrong, the dr

32:35

Puerto Rico and Venezuela, those

32:37

are like they're like spring pro

32:40

leagues, right right,

32:42

and so and so most dudes do

32:45

that to a lot of guys, were guys that were

32:47

like G League guys

32:49

or overseas guys that get cut. It's

32:51

just a good way to make quick buck. Well,

32:55

you can go Philippines the same way. Right, we can go

32:57

there. You don't to stay long. And

33:00

so, uh, did you play in Venezuela

33:02

too.

33:02

Or just the

33:04

pr on D.

33:06

But it's but it's also like you got

33:08

to produce right away or they

33:10

get rid of you too.

33:11

And yeah, yeah, no, that's what

33:13

happened when I first time went to Puerto Rico. I

33:15

went down and replaced a guy in the in the playoffs

33:18

first round the playoffs. In the

33:20

first game was at home, and

33:22

I'm watching the first round, the

33:25

first game of the series, and I

33:27

replaced him the next for the next game.

33:29

I'm seeing him play, and

33:31

I'm like, this is a cold word, y'all

33:34

bring me in to replace this guy, and

33:36

I'm watching the game and he actually paid

33:38

well, they got him up

33:40

out of there the next day. So I'm like,

33:43

who am I to say what you can and

33:45

can't do?

33:45

But just as when you take their apartment,

33:48

that's here and ship.

33:49

Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, well,

33:51

I'm saying, go in there. You know, they put

33:53

me in the same apartment. He's left some things.

33:55

I'm like, man, I said,

33:57

should I mail him back to him? Or what? You know?

34:00

Did y'all clean this place first before

34:03

y'all put me in here? That's the first

34:05

that's the first question you asked you.

34:06

I don't know, definitely a solid question.

34:09

Yeah, Like, it's really interesting how

34:11

many people want to push the college thing to

34:13

become a professional thing. And those are a lot

34:15

of people that have never played professional basketball.

34:17

Oh no, no, no, they don't. They don't

34:19

understand the

34:22

ruthless business that it is professional

34:25

basketball. And it really is.

34:28

Uh okay, So let me be the first

34:30

to congratulate you because at

34:32

the time of this recording, in five minutes, it can be announced

34:35

you're the whack coach of

34:37

the year. Wow, that's pretty freaking

34:39

awesome.

34:40

It is.

34:40

I mean think about that. From from

34:43

finding out the night before you're going on a trip

34:45

to California to now

34:47

all of a sudden you're named the whack coach the Year. What's

34:51

that like for you?

34:52

Really can't explain it. I'm

34:54

just I'm

34:57

happy because the guy

35:00

and they played, they busted off for me

35:02

this year, you know, and I appreciate

35:04

them for doing that. But you know, it's just

35:06

something I never I didn't think that would

35:08

happened to me. You don't think you don't think about culture

35:10

of the Year. The only thing you worry about it is thinking about trying

35:12

to win championships and to

35:15

have to be awarded that, man, it means

35:17

I did something good and you know,

35:19

and somebody, somebody, somebody

35:21

had to vote. So I'm I'm happy

35:23

for that. I'm ecstatic.

35:25

You are steen as an incredible

35:28

defensive mind defensive coach. Right.

35:30

Part of it is obviously yours of playing, and

35:33

part of it is what you focused on since

35:35

since coach. If somebody would ask you,

35:37

like, ay, man, like, what's

35:39

what's the secret? What what is your What

35:42

are your little things that you like

35:45

to implement that you harp

35:47

on that are important on a daily base because we

35:49

always talk about fundamentals offensively, you

35:52

know when you talking about basketball like man, every day

35:54

you gotta work on passing and cutting and movement and

35:57

the fundamentals. What are those fundamental

35:59

things defensively which have allowed you

36:01

to be widely regarded as an outstanding

36:03

defensive coach?

36:06

Just being a staying active, staying

36:09

active, you ain't take any places

36:11

off. And what I like to you

36:13

know what I harp on to these guys. These

36:15

kids don't like to play defense these days, and

36:18

that's just part of it. That is part of basketball now

36:20

generation, this generation doesn't like to play defense.

36:23

So I tell him, if you don't want to

36:25

play defense, don't let you guys catch

36:27

the ball. Then you'll never have to play defense.

36:31

I love that I'd actually told it. I've

36:34

actually used that to my sons. My son is little

36:36

in eighth grade. He hadn't grown yet, right, so

36:39

he's like, Dad, I keeps

36:41

is showing me. He'show

36:43

me he's too big for me. I was like, hey, here's the deal,

36:45

buddy. If he doesn't catch it, he

36:48

can't I just show you.

36:49

Right, And I learned the

36:51

hallway. You know. I pride myself on

36:53

defense, and people say, oh, you don't pay no defense.

36:56

I learned real quick. We're playing in the program

36:58

when I was in college in Houston

37:01

and were playing against with Sean Lewis. This is

37:03

at the time when with charlottuis at Seattle.

37:05

You know, so he's good, you know, and

37:07

it's in Houston, so they're gonna take care of him as well.

37:10

After about two or three Ice holds at the top of the

37:13

key, I'm like, hold on, man, I own him. I

37:15

don't care where he had in the court. He's not catching

37:17

the ball. You

37:19

know, they're not gonna let your

37:21

guard and where you want to guard him. And he's

37:23

he's a he's he's a pretty good basketball

37:26

player. So it ain't got the way I wanted

37:28

to work out every time. So let me just eliminate

37:31

the whole deal and don't let him catch it all.

37:34

When you when you sub, do

37:37

you say something like you pull a

37:39

guy sub of him? Do you say a guy

37:41

do you say something to them? You know the assistants handled you.

37:43

Let him like walk on by and just feel your energy,

37:46

like what's your what are you like? When you take guys

37:48

in it out?

37:48

It depends on the situation, and it depends

37:50

on the guy. I got it. I got a great

37:53

relationship with all the kids, but

37:55

you know some you know, I kind of

37:57

hold him a little bit higher than than others. So

38:00

you know, once you but you know, you

38:02

bring him off and he's not doing what he's supposed to

38:04

do. You know, I tell him, like,

38:07

you're probably gonna be here a while. So either you can

38:09

go down there sit at the end,

38:11

or you can go sit in there, real close to

38:13

the coaches, you know, and hope that I

38:15

look down there and try to put you back in because but

38:20

I say different things. But you know, I say something

38:22

to him if it's to the if it's real bad, you

38:25

know, I show my my true

38:28

colors as a player, still

38:30

a player. He come off, I'm not shaking your hand

38:32

or nothing. Man, you're messing up the game for us.

38:35

And if I was playing with you, I would have told

38:37

Coach some of you out a long time ago.

38:42

That's that's real right there.

38:46

Playing. I've done that a few times.

38:47

So sure, get him, coach, Get

38:50

get him the fuck out. He's

38:52

killing us him, Get

38:55

him and for him, he's

38:58

gonna be me again, exactly

39:01

right. Okay, So last thing, Billy

39:03

got an extension. Mm hmm, right,

39:07

but you got the coach of the year

39:10

right, right, So how does it? How does it

39:12

work? Did you guys all get extended? Like what

39:14

what happened when when he got extended?

39:16

I think I think we I don't know, I don't know how

39:19

it goes, but I think we all got

39:21

extended. But I could be wrong. At the end

39:23

of the day, it's all who coach, you know, wants

39:26

to bring back on his coaching staff. That's

39:28

what it comes down to at the school,

39:30

want to renew contracts, That's

39:33

that's But I think that since you're

39:35

here already and the head coach gets extended,

39:37

I would think that everybody gets an extension.

39:39

And your coaching the year, I think that you're pretty good.

39:42

But it also has to make

39:44

you think. I don't know where you thought you were in

39:46

your growth curve as a coach in terms of being ready.

39:49

But you have to feel ready now,

39:51

don't you like to have your own team?

39:53

I feel I feel ready. You know, some people

39:55

might say I'm not ready, But at the end

39:57

of the day, who knows if

40:00

they're ready or not until they in the moment. No

40:03

one knows. So like

40:05

I didn't never think that, you know, you

40:08

bet I would be a pretty good basketball player.

40:10

I stepped on the court. First game happened,

40:13

second game happened, third game, and

40:15

so on. I kept getting better, kept

40:17

showing showing that I can deserve to be on

40:20

the court. You know, I think the same thing

40:22

probably goes into coaching as well, especially

40:24

a head coach. You know, it doesn't You don't know until

40:27

you really do it. And if people say

40:29

that, you know, what I did this year

40:31

is a you know, had

40:34

something to do with that, I would think that, hey, it,

40:36

we would be okay, I'll be.

40:38

Well, okay. So look, I

40:40

do think that coaching is different.

40:43

But I also think that in terms of preparation

40:45

playing thirteen years for all those different coaches

40:48

and all those different systems, like.

40:51

You know.

40:51

Like again, I don't want to say that everybody's ready

40:53

to coach right after they get done playing, but

40:56

in many ways that's just as if not more

40:59

value for

41:01

thirteen years.

41:03

I think.

41:03

So I think what you've

41:06

done both out.

41:07

I think I think so because you know, I

41:09

see playing those playing

41:11

those years, I see the game a little bit different when

41:14

at times you know and understand,

41:17

you know what's what's going

41:19

on a little bit more. You know, when I

41:21

first when I got back into coach. When I got into coaching,

41:24

I started seeing a lot of people running your

41:26

euro ball screen offense. I'm

41:28

like, I ran that every team I played

41:30

played on. I know what's gonna happen

41:33

before it even you know, before

41:35

the players developed, just because of the players

41:37

that you have on the court, and I know

41:39

what's gonna I know what what they're

41:42

designated to do. You know, you

41:44

can't. You're gonna tweak it so much to

41:47

make it your own. But for the most part,

41:49

it's gonna happen the same thing's gonna happen. The ball

41:51

is gonna be reversed from side to side, back,

41:53

cut, handoff or you know, pitch and

41:56

and ball screen, that's gonna it's gonna happen the same

41:58

way regardless. So, you know, just seeing

42:01

that, I started understanding that, you

42:03

know, more of the European game

42:05

started making its way into college. So

42:07

I'm like, this is what I'm used to. I've

42:10

been playing for thirteen years, you know, and

42:13

I've been I played a lot of minutes, so you

42:16

know, I've seen it, so I

42:18

understand it. My basketball eye

42:21

is okay enough to see

42:23

it and recognize it.

42:25

Have you have you made a mistake

42:29

that you owned up to to the players.

42:33

Oh? Yeah, I have, I have, I

42:36

have. You know, it was a couple of games

42:39

just I don't

42:41

want to tell him a secret to what I to my coaching

42:43

style, but you know I told him

42:45

that I felt like I should have made you know, made

42:48

made an adjustment, you know, in the game a little

42:50

bit sooner than than than I did. Maybe

42:52

that would have helped us, you know, win

42:54

the game. And ever since

42:56

then, I've been I've been.

42:58

Look, I can't speak to every okay,

43:02

but it does feel like our generation

43:04

of guys, especially guys that play, we'll

43:08

say to a team like, hey, I

43:11

fucked that up. Guys listen

43:14

more when you're more honest

43:18

with them and you say like, hey,

43:20

we all screwed up. I screwed it up

43:22

a little bit. You know. Have

43:25

you noticed that as well?

43:26

Yeah? I know that I noticed that. I noticed that, and and

43:28

and the guys you know, they always had

43:30

they always have them back when I tell him that. Now,

43:33

Jojo, man, that was on us.

43:35

You know, we could have did this and did that better.

43:37

We should have done this, you know, we did

43:40

all we didn't listen to you when you told us this. You

43:42

know. They they've always right there, you

43:44

know, and backed me with when I when I say

43:46

that to them, and I and I tell them same thing.

43:49

Man, We're gonna all make mistakes. You

43:51

know. We can't control everything, but we can try to get

43:53

better each and every day and when that day,

43:55

and that's what we try to do.

43:56

Did you you got you guys have comp cars and assistance.

43:59

No, no, I got my own car.

44:03

Even as the interim head coach and now the

44:05

Coach of the year. We don't have you with a cop car. Ah.

44:08

No, I'm still I'm still still fishing my big

44:10

dog.

44:12

What's the big dog? What's what's what's the weapon you're driving

44:14

to work?

44:15

Twenty fifteen.

44:17

Yukondinalite, bro we got I mean

44:19

no disrespect to yukondinality. I've had I've had

44:21

that myself. Wait, do you have the okay you kind

44:23

of such an suv? Yeah, but we

44:25

we coach of the year in the whack. We need

44:28

somebody, somebody

44:31

in in town's got to hook

44:33

you up with a with a new ride. That's kind

44:35

of right.

44:36

Never know, you never know, I'm not I'm

44:38

not going to turn it down. I know that.

44:41

How are you in Texas and you don't have a pickup?

44:46

I just never I mean sub is kind of suv,

44:49

is kind of a Hooper's pickup. Yeah

44:51

yeah, have you owned it? Have you owned a pickup?

44:54

No? I haven't. You know, for the because I lived

44:56

in Houston, So you know, when I was coming up

44:58

and I played, and he is Houston most time

45:01

I'm coming up, that's all the

45:03

all the Hoopers had escalades

45:05

and stuff like that, so you know that's

45:07

what I seen. So I'm like, you

45:10

know, at the enduring that time, I couldn't

45:12

afford to escalate, so I said, let me get the next best

45:14

thing.

45:14

I think thought, well, uh, that's

45:16

that's my new have a new goal. A new

45:19

goal is to use this podcast to get

45:21

the Whack Coach of the Year, the twenty twenty four

45:23

Whack Coach of the Year, a new

45:26

a new ride, a comp new ride too. You

45:28

ain't comeing out of pocket for it. That's got to be part

45:30

of the deal. The deal.

45:32

Yeah, yeah, it's unacceptable.

45:34

It's unacceptable. And then you're like,

45:37

you know, you can sell it to the guys like, hey man, this is not

45:39

my car. This is all of our car. You guys won this

45:41

for me.

45:41

It is great.

45:42

I'm gonna drive it home.

45:43

Yeah, this is you need a ride? Just

45:45

how let me? You know, I think I can

45:47

give you a ride. I don't think it's against the rules give

45:50

you a ride somewhere. So yeah, now

45:52

you hear about the perks as as a player. You

45:54

know all the coaches getting vehicles and stuff

45:57

and getting free food. And you

45:59

know the hook up I got is I get

46:01

a couple of free meals every once in a while. But it's

46:04

haven't been a call, you know.

46:06

Give it. Give a shout out. Best place to grab a meal in

46:08

town is where.

46:11

Oh man, that's tough. It's tough.

46:14

It's just spending what you want. Ass tech us pretty good,

46:16

Purple Gold pretty good. You know, uh

46:19

take us good for what Mexican food?

46:23

But what like, what's your what's your Meskan food order? You a

46:25

torta guy? You a taco guy, you'r a burrito

46:27

guy? What do

46:29

you?

46:30

I'm I'm a I'm a uh

46:32

pork guy. I like I like, I like I like.

46:37

In a taco in a burrito jeans.

46:40

Most time I'm just you know, on the plate with some with

46:42

some with some with some uh chero

46:45

beans and rice.

46:47

All right, when you're back home in Houston, where's

46:49

your spot? Like every time I roll into Houston,

46:52

I have to go here.

46:54

Used to be Papa Doos, but now

46:56

it's uh

46:59

now it's it's

47:02

so many. That's just

47:04

I just stick with Papados.

47:07

Is good. It's a chain, but it's good.

47:09

But that's, you know, because

47:11

the people don't understand. Like everybody like soul food

47:13

places, I'm gonna eat soul food. I get

47:15

sold food anytime I want. I

47:19

grew up on it. So if if anything,

47:21

if I'm gonna go somewhere, I'm gonna

47:23

go home and let my mom cook for me.

47:26

Okay, So when your mom cooks for you and

47:28

she knows what you want, what

47:30

do you what's your soul food on.

47:33

H I'm a big, I'm a

47:35

big, I'm a big. How

47:38

do they got how do they food? So?

47:41

Sweet? Potatoes, greens, u

47:44

any kind of meat you can be steak, turkey,

47:47

you know, not a ham guy like that,

47:49

but any kind of meat, chicken. But

47:51

if she put that in there and then some cage

47:53

and cabbage and some corn bread,

47:56

I'm set. And then she thought

47:58

but now the putting in there and a sweet

48:01

potato pie, maybe it'll become pie.

48:03

I'm all good.

48:04

That's that sounds amazing. That sounds amazing.

48:07

I'm looking for the invite. You tell me when you're

48:09

going. I've never had Cajun cabbage though,

48:11

so I don't even know what that is, Like I've had all the

48:13

rest.

48:14

Yeah, yeah, no, my mom. I

48:17

don't know where she got it from. She just cooks

48:19

it and I hate it. So I

48:21

love it. I love it.

48:22

Sounds sounds amazing. Well, you made a proud

48:25

your coach of the year. We're gonna get you a new

48:27

car. It's gonna be done. Yeah,

48:30

I appreciate gonna

48:32

it's gonna be It's gonna be done. Well. I

48:34

like watching as a player. I enjoyed talking to you as

48:36

a coach even more. Thanks so much for joining metal

48:38

Ball.

48:38

He appreciate you having me on.

48:43

All right, that's it for my conversation

48:45

with the new WHAC coach

48:47

of the Year. Think about that. Doesn't

48:50

actually know if he'll be back at Charlton

48:52

State next year. Won twenty three games,

48:54

is the internead coach and hasn't been told

48:57

if the contract extension for the head coach means

48:59

he gets that check extension. Nonetheless,

49:02

pretty good in your resume what he's been able to accomplish,

49:04

and even better than we got to know him. It'd

49:06

be awesome. Hope you enjoyed

49:08

it. Remember The Doug Gottlieb Show is daily three to five

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49:22

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