0:00

I'm often amazed by how God works

0:03

through this podcast. There are things that

0:05

I am simply not on the ball

0:07

enough to orchestrate that somehow He makes

0:09

happen. I've wanted to

0:11

interview Lizzie Jensen for this podcast for

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years, and I thought it would be

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great to interview her before Easter to

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encourage people to use an incredible resource

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she spearheaded, The Living Christ

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Project, to memorize the prophetic

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document before Easter. What

0:27

I didn't know is that this episode would

0:30

air on her 40th birthday. So, as

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you listen to us discuss our belief

0:34

that God is aware of us and

0:37

really does have a work for us

0:39

to accomplish, remember that if He can

0:41

individually celebrate someone's birthday, He is very

0:44

much in the details of your life

0:46

too. Lizzie

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Jensen is a disciple, a wife,

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a mother of five, an attorney,

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and formerly founded a nonprofit called

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The Small Seed. This

1:01

is All In, an LDS living podcast where

1:03

we ask the question, what does it really

1:05

mean to be All In, the gospel of

1:08

Jesus Christ? I'm Morgan Pearson, and I am

1:10

so thrilled to have my friend Lizzie Jensen

1:12

on the line with me today. Lizzie, welcome.

1:14

Thank you so much for having me, Morgan.

1:19

Well, Lizzie, you have been on my

1:21

list of people to interview for a

1:23

very long time, and the stars have

1:25

finally aligned, and we will have a

1:27

recorded interview. I've interviewed you a couple

1:29

of times before, but this will be

1:31

an extra special chance to chat. But

1:33

I want to start, one thing I've

1:35

always loved about you is your desire

1:37

to always do what God

1:40

wants or needs you to do. I wondered,

1:44

is that something that you feel like you

1:46

were born with? Is it innately inside of

1:48

you, or is that something developed

1:50

or taught? Tell me a little bit

1:52

about your desire to do God's will.

1:55

Well, thank you. That's so kind of you. I want

1:58

to do his desire, but man, And sometimes it's hard.

2:01

Honestly, that's kind of a tricky question though.

2:03

Like, do I have faith because something I

2:05

was born with or came before or parents,

2:08

something I've tried to do, if

2:10

I had to take a stab at it, I actually

2:13

think for all of us here on earth, there's some

2:15

innate desire born with us. I just think

2:17

it's there. Like, I think it's like

2:19

little children who have this innocent and sweet desire

2:21

to please their parents. I work

2:23

with a lot of little kids right now, and it's

2:25

the cutest thing to see how much they just want

2:27

to be noticed. And it's actually

2:29

crazy humbling to think of the amount of times

2:31

in one day that my own kids say, watch

2:33

this mom, and then do something

2:36

mildly amusing or maybe I don't even know what they're

2:38

trying to show me. But kids

2:40

thrive off their parents noticing

2:42

their uniqueness and their efforts to do what they're

2:44

asked. And I think that's kind of like

2:46

all of us, like we're born with this, but maybe

2:49

it's like a seed. It's there, but you do

2:51

have to nurture it. And so how do we

2:53

do that? How do we nurture those first feelings?

2:55

Like I want to please God, or I want

2:58

to know what He wants for me. And I think

3:00

for me, one of the best ways to do that is just

3:02

act on the impressions right in front of me. Every

3:05

time I act on something I feel that God

3:07

wants me to do, it gives

3:09

me that spiritual momentum and the desire to

3:11

want to follow Him more, the virtuous cycle.

3:14

I remember back in college, there's a talk by Elder

3:16

Scott that I read that was like, you know, I

3:18

don't know if you're like this, I have a few

3:21

talks that were just like, this is

3:23

a seminal talk. Go back to this. This was

3:25

a new chapter. In that

3:27

talk, he talks about the leaps of faith that we take and

3:30

that every time we take one and God shows up,

3:32

it gives us more courage to take a bigger

3:34

leap next time. It's not exactly

3:36

how Elder Scott put it, but I'll never

3:38

forget that concept. So I think it's a little bit

3:41

of all three. We love Gonen Aitley, cause he loved

3:43

us first. And then as we're taught and we act

3:45

on the impressions, our desire to serve

3:47

Him more just grows. I

3:51

love that so much. I think that

3:53

your life, so if we

3:55

look at, and

3:57

this may be kind of uncomfortable for you because we're talking

3:59

about. you. But if

4:01

you if we look at the decisions that

4:04

you've made, the things that you've chosen to

4:06

be involved in, from the time

4:08

that I met you, which I think was in 2015,

4:10

you've taken these kind of seemingly

4:13

interesting projects on, you've decided

4:16

to do things that didn't

4:19

align necessarily with your education

4:21

or background. So for example,

4:23

by education, you are an

4:25

attorney. But many people listening

4:27

to this episode will know you because

4:29

you created a website called the small

4:31

seed. From what I understand, you no

4:33

longer own the small seed. Is that right? Yeah,

4:36

I've actually shut it down. I moved

4:38

on to another chapter, which is crazy. So there is

4:40

no more small seed on the

4:42

internet. Google it, which is crazy. Okay,

4:45

but it was I mean, I do

4:47

think it's important to acknowledge that

4:49

this was like a thing that

4:51

was very successful. Many

4:53

women, I think were drawn to it.

4:56

And it started because you were reading

4:58

Clayton Christensen's The Power of Everyday Missionaries.

5:01

And you said that you felt prompted

5:03

to start a website, which was something

5:05

you didn't know anything about doing. And

5:08

your first thought was you've got the

5:10

wrong person. So I wondered,

5:12

what have you learned about God's ability

5:14

to help us become the right

5:16

person for any task? So

5:19

good. You've got the wrong person

5:22

was definitely my first response. And

5:25

that wasn't the first time I've thought that and it

5:27

wasn't the last time I've thought that. And I mean,

5:30

it's funny, like I was literally was I

5:33

six months out of law school, I just taken

5:35

the New York Bar, no, maybe

5:37

I was I was a year out, I had been

5:39

working at one company, and just kind of realized like

5:42

my baby's getting older, I can't keep traveling across the

5:44

country, it was on the west coast, we were living

5:46

on the east coast. And I could just

5:48

pull it was time for something new. And then I was

5:50

invited to read The Power of Everyday Missionaries before it came

5:52

out and give some comments before it was published like this,

5:54

how does it hit? And what are your thoughts? And what

5:56

are your impressions? And I'm

5:58

like, I've got this degree. I could

6:00

work with refugee populations, or I

6:02

could do some cool stuff with adoption. I have

6:05

all these things I could do as a mom

6:07

that feel really inspiring and necessary

6:09

and needful, right? I

6:11

read this book and it's like, you need to start

6:14

a blog. I'm like,

6:16

wait, what? I

6:19

know nothing about this. I've just spent three years

6:21

in law school. I've just done all of this. Frankly,

6:24

I know that every mom at my age,

6:26

10 years ago, was starting blogs, so maybe

6:28

it didn't feel like an intimidating thing. Frankly,

6:31

that was way more intimidating for me. I didn't know

6:33

how to take pictures. It was so

6:35

out of my comfort zone. Fast forwarding from

6:37

that point until now, it makes me

6:39

kind of teary. That's

6:43

how it usually looks when God calls me to

6:45

do something. I think I've learned

6:47

that God's ability to help us become the right person,

6:49

it frankly doesn't matter

6:51

what you bring to the table. If

6:53

he calls you, there's a reason and you just

6:56

show up and watch him do his

6:58

work. There was another point in

7:00

my life back when I was trying to decide if I should

7:02

go on a mission and those girls didn't

7:04

go back then. It was before it was 19, so I was

7:06

21. I was

7:08

dating a great guy and kept

7:10

feeling this nudge, like, let's go on a mission. It

7:14

was to that point, for sure, the hardest decision

7:16

I was needing to make by myself. Someone

7:18

wasn't going to tell me. Actually, I

7:20

went to church leaders. I went to a professor

7:23

I loved at BYU, like, asked for this

7:25

advice, and every single person I asked said,

7:28

if you have an opportunity to get married, you should get

7:30

married. That was what we were kind

7:32

of told as women. That was really the

7:34

common counsel, because that wasn't weird. But

7:37

I just kind of knew in my heart, there's something

7:39

about this. I

7:41

just didn't sit right. In

7:43

the middle of that struggle, one day I opened my

7:45

scriptures to D&C section 4, verse 3,

7:47

where it says, if you have desires to serve

7:50

God, you're called to work. And

7:52

it was one of those moments when I know God

7:54

meant those words for me. If I had

7:56

desire to go, he had a call for me. I

7:59

then went on to read. the next verse, which says that

8:01

the only qualifications you need to

8:03

serve God are faith, hope, charity,

8:05

and love. And

8:07

frankly, I think we underestimate just how radical

8:09

that is. Like, can you imagine

8:12

finding a job posting that's like, do you want

8:14

to work at the greatest organization on earth? And

8:17

the only list of qualifications are faith, hope, charity,

8:19

and love. And as long as you really wanted

8:21

the job, it was yours. You

8:23

didn't need specialized training or a resume

8:25

or some number in your bank account

8:27

or like a sense of style or

8:29

amount of followers or past business experience

8:31

or friends in common, like just a

8:33

desire to work, just desire to be

8:35

called. I think God just wants us

8:37

to have that desire or borrowing your phrase. He just

8:39

wants us to be all in, right? That's it. And

8:42

then you can be confident. He'll make a way for

8:44

the rest. He does it every time. I

8:49

completely agree with that. And it was

8:51

interesting as you were talking, I was

8:53

thinking, how vastly different those things that

8:56

we can feel called to do can

8:58

be. And I'm not just talking about

9:00

kind of the types of things we've been talking

9:02

about up to this point, like starting a blog, but

9:06

like in this season of my life,

9:08

I've felt called to be a mom

9:11

and to let go of some of these

9:13

other things that I previously

9:15

were like a part of my identity

9:17

and letting go has actually proved to

9:19

be trickier than I anticipated that it

9:21

would be. But I know that that's

9:23

what God wants me to do. And

9:25

so I think sometimes it will be

9:27

this call to step out of a

9:29

comfort zone. And sometimes it will be

9:31

a call to leave your comfort zone.

9:34

I don't know, step

9:36

out of your comfort zone and then like

9:38

step into a comfort zone that feels

9:40

like too comfortable. Does that make any sense at

9:43

all? Totally. And it's

9:45

weird because they're both uncomfortable. Like,

9:48

yes, like, and usually they

9:50

don't. Okay,

9:52

so I think they're both

9:54

uncomfortable. And it usually surprises me,

9:57

The things that make me the most uncomfortable. Why

10:00

feel like I'm signed for this and wait, now

10:02

is that like I'm going to really similar season?

10:05

The last two years I've same thing two years

10:07

ago like case up our social media I'd been

10:09

on for ten years. Close. Down

10:11

small seeds so you're out. Like

10:13

literally pull off everything. That

10:16

we went what I think it was such

10:18

a sock and I really. Thought about

10:21

point small seed. Was my

10:23

life work like I would do that my

10:25

whole life and build this company with products

10:27

and think it. And. It was

10:29

just so clear my current. Set

10:31

it down, There. Are

10:34

A we're in for another, right? I kinda thought like

10:36

that with my one seminal moment where he said the

10:38

blog and said i learn. But.

10:41

Now I work as a code after make a private

10:43

school. And it is awesome.

10:45

And like you said that, maybe it should

10:48

feel more comfortable in some ways than not

10:50

out in front of people. and I just

10:52

as uncomfortable pushed me just as that's I

10:54

had to grow and that same thing with

10:56

Mother had the season, especially in women's lives.

10:58

I've heard that women reinvent themselves every five

11:01

years, and I think it's particularly true when

11:03

you if you want to sign up and

11:05

accept the call, the have kids. And.

11:07

Sir Gonna have to be more flexible and. Be

11:09

uncomfortable over you and you never get into the

11:11

groove a like oh man. Other ceilings. wait

11:13

know they got a for my first division

11:16

first. Nice knowing the jumping back in the

11:18

limelight. Nuns have been a sissy Seasons that.

11:21

Has. To sit like what we polled. You do it without.

11:23

God directing it out. You do it.

11:25

Totally. Totally. I.

11:28

When you were talking I saw no said the

11:30

scope for a light. For.

11:32

Talks about leaving behind. Your. Nets and

11:34

all confused assists are men. Must

11:36

have been like this is our

11:38

livelihood. This is the thing that

11:40

we know how to do. We.

11:43

Have families to provide for. We have

11:45

things that we need to take care

11:47

of and you're telling us just like

11:49

leave it behind And I think that

11:51

sometimes. That is how it can fill. When.

11:54

You started the small seed with he said

11:56

that your goal was to get people comfortable

11:58

talking. About God He said it. the time, it

12:00

was my small seed of faith that

12:02

God is real. I'm really sick and

12:05

tired of us being so uncomfortable talking

12:07

about Him. Let's talk about Him with

12:09

everyone. I love the way you

12:11

put that. I love that it's so blunt. That

12:13

quote is from the first time that you and

12:15

I spoke in 2015. And I wondered because as

12:17

I was reading that article, I

12:19

started thinking like,

12:23

have we gotten any better as a

12:25

people at talking about God and talking

12:28

about Jesus Christ? And I wondered what

12:30

your thoughts are on that. Well,

12:32

I have to start by saying that in that

12:34

quote, when I said, I'm really sick and tired

12:37

of us being so uncomfortable with talking about God,

12:39

I was 100% derided at

12:41

myself. I was

12:43

sick and tired of how uncomfortable I was

12:45

being open about my faith. At

12:47

the time that I said that to you, I had

12:49

already served a mission in Croatia, where I talked about

12:51

God for 18 months nonstop.

12:54

I'd gone to law school in New York City. I became

12:56

a lawyer. I do a lot of talking.

12:58

I had all the preparation you would think

13:01

someone would need to feel totally confident talking

13:03

about God. And I still

13:05

have this huge, sometimes immobilizing

13:07

fear of talking about God. It

13:09

really, really bothered me. So, saying

13:12

I was sick and tired, I really was like myself, why

13:14

do I still get sweaty and

13:16

clammy? Why is this

13:19

not intuitive? Why is this not easier yet? And

13:22

the time when I started talking about

13:24

Faith Online, I literally didn't know anyone

13:26

who was being open about it. And

13:28

it terrified me. Like, if you scrolled

13:30

through Instagram, like, nobody was sharing vulnerable

13:33

stuff really at all, not just Faith, but really

13:35

anything. And I was

13:37

convinced that the moment I started talking

13:39

openly about my faith would be

13:41

the moment I was like ostracized and people

13:43

would talk about me behind my

13:45

back, or I'd be cut out of friendships

13:48

because I'd be like the weirdo. And

13:50

I'm sure that happens some, because it always

13:52

does. No matter what choice you make, someone

13:55

could criticize it for something. But literally

13:57

the response was the opposite. I met like the

13:59

deep, with soul friends. You're one of them

14:01

had the coolest experiences. I grew way more

14:03

than I could have ever imagined and probably

14:06

ever would doing attorney work. Just

14:08

probably one of the reasons God asked me to do something

14:10

else. To get back to your question, like have

14:12

we all gotten better at talking openly about

14:14

faith? Do I feel totally comfortable? I think

14:17

we've moved the needle in a huge way for sure.

14:20

I think both on and offline. I think we've made

14:22

faith more of a real and connected part of who

14:24

we are. As said, I

14:26

think we're still only scratching the surface of what's

14:28

possible. Think of what like

14:31

we could blow the top off this. We

14:34

could do so many inspiring and awesome

14:36

and creative things to be bold and

14:38

natural about just what do this offers

14:41

us. I feel like

14:43

I'm always so inspired when I look at other faith

14:45

communities too. I know you and I

14:47

have talked about this before just like there's

14:49

just so many things so many people are

14:51

doing well and we don't have the corner

14:53

on the market in the LDS faith. We

14:55

don't. Every time I

14:57

visit the South and people ask if they can

14:59

pray for me and like when is the last

15:01

time I've heard that? Like when's

15:03

the last time I've offered that actually better question? Again,

15:07

clammy, nervous, like I have the gift

15:09

of prayer. But you actually are good

15:11

at that. So, give yourself

15:14

some credit because you've adopted that

15:16

practice. Better, better. Not

15:18

still totally intuitive. I still haven't been

15:20

just like boldly stepping into that. When

15:23

I watch The Chosen, when I see

15:25

Christian musicians sing and speak openly or

15:27

interact with the He Gets Us campaign,

15:30

I get so fired up about

15:33

how much room we still have left to grow

15:35

in sharing Jesus with the world.

15:37

And I think the world is ready for it

15:39

now way more than it was 10 years ago.

15:42

Really do. I'm like, I'm really

15:44

excited to see how we as an LDS

15:46

community, but even more broadly Jesus

15:49

Christ are going to rise up and do cool things

15:51

with the projects that have happened in the last few

15:53

years alone. Like I think we're going

15:55

to see who knows what, but like the sky is

15:57

the limit, right? With God at the helm. we

16:00

aren't scared. I think

16:02

we're going to see some really still way cooler

16:04

stuff than we've seen so far come

16:06

out. I

16:09

am curious for your thoughts on a

16:11

recent conversation that I had with

16:13

my dad. We were kind of

16:15

talking about this. There are some

16:17

people that I grew up around

16:20

who went to church because their

16:22

parents made them go. Now, as

16:24

adults, they have left our

16:27

church and are very

16:31

active members of other faith

16:33

communities. I see them sharing

16:35

their testimonies, sharing these

16:38

inspiring experiences that they're having with God.

16:40

I said to my dad, I was

16:44

like, did we teach Jesus wrong? Did

16:48

we teach Jesus such that somehow

16:51

the God and the Jesus

16:53

that they're finding in these

16:56

other faith communities resonates way

16:58

more than what we were taught

17:00

growing up? I'm curious if you

17:02

have any thoughts on how

17:06

we better teach Jesus

17:09

to youth

17:11

and kids? What are you doing in

17:13

your home to teach your kids

17:15

about Jesus? Any thoughts on that? I

17:19

love that question so much. I really do.

17:21

I'm so glad someone, especially you, is asking

17:25

that question and I hope everybody is asking that

17:28

question. First, I don't think

17:30

there's a wrong way to teach Jesus. If

17:32

you're teaching Jesus, woo-hoo, you're teaching Jesus. That's

17:35

right. But definitely, there's

17:39

ways we teach anything that resonates better.

17:41

I think to me

17:43

the number one thing is, is

17:45

it authentic? Is it from the heart? I

17:48

can go to a class and learn chemistry and

17:51

I know it. That's fine. I can have

17:54

details. But

17:56

do I have strong, passionate feelings about

17:59

chemistry? No? I

18:02

think my number one approach in

18:04

trying to teach my kids about really

18:06

introduce them to who Jesus is, not even

18:08

teach them. Like introduce them is probably

18:11

more like you teach an apprentice than

18:13

I would sit up in front of a classroom and teach a

18:15

classroom, right? Like more than

18:18

wanting them to know the dates and

18:20

the names of the places, like I

18:23

want them to experience him. I want them

18:25

to be with him. I want

18:27

them to feel his forgiveness, his

18:29

peace, his joy, like real time in their life

18:32

right now. I had an experience

18:35

not too long ago where, as we've

18:37

already said, sometimes just showing up, not feeling

18:40

totally prepared or just opening my mouth scares

18:43

me. Like I like when I have time to prepare

18:45

and know what to say. I'm like, God's work doesn't

18:47

like usually look like that most of the time. And

18:51

I had a friend who lost a child. And

18:54

I just wanted to show up for her.

18:56

I'm like, I don't know what that feels like. I

18:58

don't know how to do that. It's awkward. It's

19:01

awkward for me to feel like, well, what if I

19:03

impose or what if I show up and it feels weird?

19:05

And so I bought

19:07

some things to give to her and I text

19:09

her and gave myself a total out like, hey,

19:11

I'm going to leave them on your

19:13

doorstep. If you don't want to see anyone, I'll

19:15

just leave them there. And really in my heart

19:18

of hearts, I kind of wanted her

19:20

to say perfect. I don't want to see anyone either. Because

19:22

I don't know how to show up in her pain. I'm like, what

19:25

if I blew it? What

19:27

if it was worse for her? And

19:29

so sure enough, she doesn't text. I

19:32

dropped the stuff off on her doorstep and I drive

19:34

away and she's like two streets down, you know,

19:36

great excuse. Like if she's not available right

19:38

then. And I had

19:40

my kids in the car and she text me

19:42

back and she says, I would love

19:45

a hug so much. I can't wait

19:47

to see you. I was like,

19:49

oh man. Okay. Okay. So

19:51

I go back and I go back with my kids

19:54

and we just go to the doorstep. We

19:57

just show up and she

19:59

comes out. And like, I felt

20:04

so much love for her. And like, I

20:08

felt her sorrow. And

20:10

I like, I just wanted to do nothing more

20:12

than sit and mourn with her. And

20:15

my kids were there and they just, they don't

20:17

really know her. Like she and I have this

20:19

Jesus connection and I love her dearly and they

20:21

don't really know her, but they just sat there and

20:24

like wrapped her in the most healing hugs and just

20:26

sat there and she just looked at him. And like,

20:29

it was this moment. I

20:31

was like, that's then when I

20:34

tell them, like, Jesus is always there for you

20:36

guys. He's always there. And

20:39

then I tell them about that story and they felt

20:41

that love and they know what it means just to

20:43

show up and hug someone. And like, I tell them

20:45

that's what Jesus wants to do for you. Even

20:48

when there's no words sometimes, cause the pain

20:50

is so big, it's different. They

20:52

felt his love. Like I

20:54

want to teach them about fiery

20:57

discipleship by having them

20:59

walk in on me and my husband fired

21:01

up reading our scriptures. I

21:03

want them to see that fire. I don't want

21:05

to tell them you really should read your scriptures.

21:07

But then when I tell them, like you should

21:09

dig into the God's word, I don't

21:12

get why cause I do it every morning cause

21:14

I love it. Cause it gives me answers. I

21:17

want to teach them about forgiveness by like

21:19

giving them lots of opportunities to forgive me.

21:22

You know, I say that

21:24

and joking about it. Like, honestly, I asked

21:26

for forgiveness for my kids a lot and

21:29

I wish I didn't have to as much, but if

21:31

you want to feel the power of forgiveness, ask

21:34

for it as a mom and watch a perfect

21:36

child forgive you immediately with

21:38

so much grace. And

21:41

when a child feels how good it like

21:44

experience, that's how good it feels to forgive

21:46

someone else or when they

21:48

feel your whole heart of forgiveness and

21:50

they know what it means to have a fresh start.

21:53

And then when you tell them that's the feeling Jesus

21:55

wants you to have because he loves you. Like,

22:01

so I don't know, like, do

22:03

we have so far to go to teach about Jesus?

22:06

Totally. But I think the more

22:08

we just, like, run to

22:10

Him and experience Him ourselves, and

22:13

then don't try to pull

22:15

that part out of our parenting or don't

22:17

make it a certain way, because that's the way you've

22:19

seen it done. Like, trust your intuition. Speak

22:22

from your heart when you feel it. Even with your

22:24

kids, speak openly. And I

22:26

think it'll become a real living faith,

22:28

because maybe it's like a fake

22:30

plant versus a real plant. You

22:33

know, like, just teaching someone about facts is

22:35

kind of like, well, yeah, that's a plant. But

22:38

like, if you're going to actually graft a child into your vine and

22:40

it's real and it's living,

22:42

there's power that flows there. Different.

22:46

I love so much of what you just

22:48

said, and that experience is so, so sweet.

22:51

Can I share one more thought here, Morgan? And it

22:53

might be a little unconventional. Please. I

22:55

think this is something that can help all of

22:57

us as disciples, young and old, not just teaching

22:59

kids, like even living in our hearts. When

23:02

teaching about being a follower of Jesus Christ, whether

23:04

to my kids, someone my age, or myself, I

23:07

want it to look amazing. I want it

23:09

to feel special. I want it to be

23:11

beautiful as believers. And maybe

23:13

this gets to your question with your

23:15

dad. In our religion specifically, we have

23:17

so many things we do. We go

23:19

to church every Sunday. We attend the temple. We

23:21

do family prayer activities, scripture study. And

23:24

I think sometimes we come at these, what

23:27

I think are really cool habits and rituals.

23:29

They're amazing. Like these are really, really cool

23:31

things. But we come at

23:33

them like they're a tour. Like, oh, this

23:35

is just something we have to do, kids.

23:37

Like prophet asked us to pray. And

23:40

I think we sometimes just don't do ourselves any

23:42

favors. Just how we posture it.

23:45

It's like, this is one of those things like

23:47

cleaning the bathroom. You'll be glad

23:49

later. It's like, no, no, that's not what the

23:51

taking, taking the sacrament is, you know? And

23:54

parents are like actually really good

23:56

at making magic. Think about this

23:58

morning. We know. how to do this?

24:01

Or some of the birthday parties you've seen thrown

24:03

for like three-year-olds? We like

24:05

to make magic for our kids. So

24:08

what if we did this more around our faith? And

24:10

I'm not talking about like opening stockings and Christmas

24:12

morning and buying stuff, right? But

24:14

like faith is the most magical thing on

24:16

the planet. It's the closest we can actually

24:18

get to like going to Hogwarts, is

24:20

signing up and doing work with God. So

24:23

how do we make these rituals feel like they're

24:25

exciting and new and magical when you've done them

24:27

your whole life or they've just been habits? And

24:30

I think the easiest version of this is just taking a

24:32

faith practice, something that you've already, you're

24:34

already doing or maybe that you

24:36

want to be doing and pair it with

24:38

something that would get your kids authentically excited or

24:41

just put some heart into it. And

24:43

maybe some examples like make this practical. A friend

24:46

I know who does, she does scripture study

24:49

like candlelight. It's like a silly thing.

24:51

It's just something small and

24:53

it's not even really dark out so they don't need

24:55

it for the light, but it's just like it's just

24:57

whimsy and you can tell she feels it like she's

24:59

gathering her family and actually a big

25:02

part of the Jewish Sabbath. And I love how

25:04

magical so many Jewish traditions are. They do this

25:06

so well. Another thought, simple, it

25:08

doesn't cost anything. Like when you do family prayer,

25:10

take a moment to point out the great things

25:12

you love about your kids or something that inspired

25:15

you about them that day or

25:17

give them a back massage or just hug them

25:19

the whole time you pray. Like add

25:21

that thing that it's not like, oh, we're getting this done,

25:23

get to bed, you know, like add

25:25

something or on Sundays, this is something that

25:27

I changed from my family of origin, which

25:29

is not on my parents and I don't

25:31

blame them for this. But like, we've made a

25:34

playlist for music that feels

25:36

really happy and hopeful and

25:38

exciting. And sometimes I think

25:40

as adults, like we need the really emotional music. And

25:42

back in the day, like we didn't have to satisfy

25:44

our Apple music, right? You had a couple CDs and

25:46

that's what you played. But my

25:49

kids are hot. Like it changes the tone of what

25:51

Sunday is about. It's like the best day off where

25:53

we get a worst ever. Take your

25:55

kid shopping like on Amazon and get them

25:57

the coolest scripture marking pens, crayons, pencils, like.

26:00

Just make marking your scriptures cool and

26:02

fun, right? One other idea, this

26:04

is funny, two things that I do. I

26:06

have this awesome roller ball of

26:08

essential oils that a friend gave me that it's like

26:11

super expensive, nice smelling. I don't even know where I came from.

26:13

And I started putting on my wrist when I pray. It's

26:16

like this simple thing, but I feel so brought

26:19

to the present because there's that smell.

26:22

Or when I study, I have a playlist of

26:24

music that just like is so calming.

26:27

And I look forward so much to my scripture study.

26:30

In the temple, I have this bowl of mint

26:32

that I love. And I put

26:34

them in my pocket. And when I need them

26:36

there, I pull it out as a little stream.

26:38

I mean, these are silly things, right? But

26:41

the only limit here as parents

26:43

is us. Things

26:45

already is magical. If it

26:47

doesn't feel that way, it's because we're doing it

26:49

wrong. It is. But

26:52

when we live it and portray it in a

26:54

way that's real, people respond differently. We respond differently

26:56

and it's love. That

26:59

is so good. You just like got me

27:01

fired up. Two things that I was thinking

27:03

about as you were talking. I think that

27:06

in my family growing up, and I think I've

27:08

shared this example on here before,

27:10

but one reason that I feel like

27:12

I learned to love serving in the

27:14

church was because it meant getting to

27:16

spend time with my dad. And

27:19

I have this memory of when my dad

27:22

was in law school, we would go and

27:24

he would take the sacrament to this little

27:26

old lady that lived out in the middle

27:28

of nowhere in like a

27:30

house that looked like it belonged on like

27:32

a movie about somebody that just like lives

27:34

in the sticks. And

27:36

I would go with him and he always made

27:38

it. He never complained

27:40

about it. He always made it feel like

27:43

it was this special thing that we got

27:45

to go and give this old woman the

27:47

sacrament. And I remember the

27:49

lady would always, as the sacrament prayer

27:51

was being said, she would repeat the

27:53

words. And my dad,

27:56

one day as we were driving home, I like

27:58

said something about, do you think it's kind of

28:00

weird? that sister or whatever her name was like

28:02

repeats the words and my dad

28:04

was like that's because it means so much to

28:06

her. So just like

28:08

little things like that where you're

28:11

having experiences like that has been

28:13

I mean that's 30 years

28:15

ago now and it's just like imprinted on

28:17

my heart you know and

28:19

so I think that's what you're talking

28:22

about is like these things that they

28:24

don't have to cost money but making

28:26

something feel special goes

28:28

such a long way and then talking

28:30

about music I just have

28:32

been thinking so much about that

28:35

recently the difference that music can

28:37

make my mom has become like

28:39

the biggest christian music fan on

28:42

the face of the planet she

28:44

plays it non-stop she has this

28:46

playlist and she just I mean

28:49

she wears it out if it was a

28:51

CD it would not work and

28:54

because of that I have

28:56

gotten more into that type of music and

28:58

then my husband has

29:01

started in our home he'll just

29:03

turn on primary songs like these

29:05

newer primary songs that have like

29:07

the really good words and good

29:09

messages not that the old ones did but I

29:11

feel like the new ones are really good and

29:14

he'll turn those on and I'll

29:17

notice just like a massive difference in

29:19

Emma and the way

29:21

that her mood is the way like she

29:23

immediately seems to calm down and then we'll

29:26

be in the car and we'll turn on

29:28

that music and she just immediately like it

29:30

is it's literally like magic and

29:33

so the power that music has

29:35

I think is so so impactful

29:38

and so building off of

29:40

that you did something

29:42

that I think is so so good

29:45

a few years ago you

29:47

created a project called the

29:50

living christ project and you did it

29:52

along with Shauna Edwards who has written

29:55

a lot of the primary songs that

29:57

we play on repeat in our house

29:59

and And the Living Christ

30:01

Project was an idea that came

30:03

to you to set the Living

30:05

Christ to music. And

30:08

I wondered if you could tell people kind of

30:10

how that came to be. Totally.

30:13

I love how much you love this project. And

30:15

I love it so much. We're going to get

30:18

to why, but go ahead. Oh, this is

30:20

so cool because this is such a good example of how

30:22

God works and like just showing up. I

30:24

have no business to do this project. I'll be honest. Like

30:27

I have no skills that are helpful in this project. In

30:29

the context, 2017, I was listening to one

30:31

of President Nelson's first talks with the prophet,

30:34

drawing the power of Jesus Christ into our lives. Such

30:37

a great one. In the middle

30:39

of the talk, President Nelson shared that the more

30:41

we know about Jesus Christ, the more we will

30:43

believe he can provide the power we need in our life.

30:46

And then he urged us to study the Living Christ and

30:49

kind of just mentioned that many had memorized it

30:52

immediately in my mind. I had this impression like

30:54

I should memorize it. And

30:56

immediately I responded to that thought with a dialogue with

30:58

God that went something like this. God,

31:01

you should memorize the Living Christ. Me.

31:03

That's a great idea except for remember

31:05

how hard it is for me to memorize. And

31:07

even when I do memorize something, I lose it

31:09

really quickly. You know,

31:11

it feels like memorizing this document would take a ton of

31:13

time and I'm not sure there'd be a payoff if it

31:16

didn't really stick. And

31:18

then God's idea comes. Well, unless of course it was

31:20

put to music. If somehow

31:22

it's put to half piece of music, you might have a thought.

31:25

So throughout the next session of conference, I'm like,

31:27

do I know anybody who would like write music,

31:29

who could do this? It's like

31:31

a legal document. Like this is a really big

31:33

ask. And I don't, like it

31:36

could come off super cheesy, but also just

31:38

like bad, you know? And

31:40

I don't know if I'd remember bad music. So

31:42

I call my mom and I asked her, I'm like, do you know anyone

31:44

who would like write music to the Living Christ?

31:46

You just call your mom. That's what you do when

31:49

you're like truly stumped, you know? And

31:52

just happened coincidentally. Her response was that

31:54

she had this amazing high school friend

31:56

named Shawna Edwards, who was brilliant at

31:58

creating beautiful melodies and church. she'd connect

32:00

me. I mean, what are the chances? Right?

32:02

So the next day, I get this

32:04

nice email from Shawn in my inbox.

32:07

And I was like, Whoa, my mom moved fast on that one. And

32:09

that was really nice of Shauna to write me so fast,

32:12

too. So I replied and like said,

32:14

Oh, it's so nice to get my mom to connect

32:16

us and Shauna's reply. Oh, that's so

32:18

weird. Your mom didn't connect us. I

32:20

don't know Shauna Edwards at all. Like, so

32:23

right away, I could tell like, okay, this

32:25

is one of those projects. God called her

32:27

just like he called me. What's

32:30

more, Shauna had felt impressed to memorize the living

32:32

Christ a few weeks before and was already a

32:34

paragraph in. Like, come on,

32:36

right? It's like, again, it's like you can't

32:38

make this stuff up and you can't make it happen yourself.

32:42

You can't just try to do something like that.

32:44

Who would you even go anyway? So that's how

32:46

it started, which is pretty incredible. And

32:50

then more people were just kind of

32:52

called to the project an awesome arranger

32:54

Daniel Blomberg and a web and branding

32:56

guru, McKinsey Rucker, the vocalists

32:59

on the tracks who are amazing artists

33:02

who made prints and coloring pages and still in

33:04

the blank worksheets and, you know,

33:06

fasting forward through the inevitable really messy

33:08

middle that happens in our projects like

33:10

this too. And now the living Christ

33:12

document is set to not have decent

33:15

music, but absolutely beautiful music. And you

33:17

can find it on the web and new

33:19

as of probably a month ago it's on

33:21

Spotify and Apple music now. And it's

33:24

just awesome. Like, what was my

33:26

role in the project? I don't actually know.

33:28

I'm like, can't write music, can't do design.

33:31

But biggest gift to me is I have the whole

33:33

thing memorized and almost all my kids

33:35

do too. And just this last Saturday, it was

33:37

with an amazing woman at a baptism who I

33:39

don't even know. She comes up to me and

33:41

shares, she's the Relief Society president and her whole

33:43

ward is memorizing it and singing some of it

33:45

for Easter. And this is happening all over it.

33:47

Like tons of people are writing in about

33:49

their experiences with their kids or their youth

33:52

and it's just been the coolest ride. Like

33:54

I can take no credit for it, but

33:56

I'm just Really glad I Have it

33:58

memorized and it blessed my family. It's something

34:00

that's really cool to see one God

34:02

works and totally cells. And. Desire of

34:05

your heart. And. then it

34:07

like gulps other people to So a Soviet

34:09

I I know you love it and it

34:11

just like makes me so happy. Well,

34:14

the reason that I love it so much

34:16

is because when these and I were dating,

34:18

we were broken up for three weeks. There

34:20

is a three week period of time where

34:22

we did not seek to each other. And.

34:25

During the three weeks I had no idea

34:27

why he was thinking what was going on

34:30

in his head. He tells everybody we were

34:32

taking a break or out and help you.

34:35

I mean like those three weeks

34:38

in like agonizing like what is

34:40

going on. And I decided

34:42

that I had to have something to take

34:44

my mind off of it. And it was

34:46

right after you had been posting about Living

34:48

Christ project. Nice like, you know what? I'm

34:50

going to memorize The Living Cries. And

34:53

I would go for the long walk

34:55

floozy and I would listen to the

34:57

songs and I just like how Did

35:00

It Out and. It meant

35:02

so much to me Buckeyes

35:04

during. Work. Should have been

35:06

like one of the harness three weeks.

35:08

It became the second beautiful experience.

35:11

And I just felt like. My. Heart was

35:13

so turn toward cry because of it.

35:16

And. The funny thing is, I don't' You know

35:18

if you know this piece pratt Chris and

35:20

saw who saying a bunch of the song

35:23

became. My best friend in California last year

35:25

when we lived there. no way and so

35:27

I would always say to her eyes like

35:29

you were there for me before you ever

35:31

even know me. And

35:33

so anyway as says it's so is

35:35

so fine. See you I'm. To

35:38

have that memory of that time and

35:40

to recognize that like something that should

35:42

have been like this bad memory instead

35:44

his likeness. Beautiful memory. Because of the

35:46

Live In Christ projects the I'm so

35:48

glad you did. I'm serious. you have

35:50

a favorite line or two from the

35:52

Living Christ that stands out sees. I.

35:55

Mean, how can you two favorites? As for the past

35:58

year, Sentences. But

36:00

I would love to hear yours too, but there's actually

36:02

two lines that have been taking on new meaning the

36:04

last couple of weeks, thanks to my almost 12-year-old daughter.

36:07

She just got asked to speak in church for the

36:09

first time, which is so fun to

36:11

speak. She's the best. She is the best.

36:14

And this year in our

36:16

congregation, everybody who speaks. So our word

36:18

theme is, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ,

36:21

taking after the youth theme, which we've also adopted

36:23

in primary. So like our whole word is just

36:25

like ingrained in this, and I love it. So

36:28

when you go to speak, you pick a title

36:30

or name of Jesus Christ and why that is

36:32

meaningful to you. So

36:34

she got sent a list of all the names of

36:37

my daughter of who, of what names of Christ really

36:39

stand out to her. And she's supposed to pick one

36:41

and talk about it. And she

36:43

picks the title creator. So that

36:45

was really interesting for like an 11-year-old to pick,

36:47

right? Like, huh, that's not the one I would

36:49

have thought. And she definitely went

36:51

through and she's like, judge? Nope, I don't want that

36:54

one. So I just

36:56

kind of had to laugh, but we've had the

36:58

most amazing conversations the last two weeks. And

37:00

like, what does it really mean that Jesus is a creator? And when

37:03

she first picked it, I was like, oh, that's kind

37:05

of pigeonholing. Like when I think

37:07

of Jesus as a creator, it's like past tense.

37:10

He created the earth and his role as creator is

37:12

like now done and finished. But as we started talking,

37:14

we were like, whoa, wait, his

37:16

role as a creator is ongoing right now.

37:19

He like is creating our lives with us every

37:21

day. He creates like

37:23

fresh starts. He helps us create

37:25

beautiful futures. He creates in ways

37:28

in our lives when there doesn't feel like one.

37:30

He creates a new path forward. Like, it's just

37:32

been so cool. She and I have been talking

37:34

and like having a daughter or a child old enough

37:36

to dig deep in some of this. But

37:39

it's so fun. It's really brought new life into one

37:41

of the lines that I love in the Living Christ.

37:44

All things were made, and I know you're going to sing it in your

37:46

head with Kristen's voice as I say it. All

37:49

things were made by him and without him

37:51

was not anything made that was made. And

37:54

like everything we do in our lives can be made

37:57

with Christ. And it's so cool to me to think that if

37:59

there's something I can do, I can do it. I want to make in my

38:01

life right now, like more peace or solutions or

38:03

meaning or more laughter in our home. Like I

38:05

just need to go to Jesus Christ, the creator.

38:08

So I love that one right now. So

38:11

good. I'll tell you the one

38:13

that has stood out to me recently is

38:15

where it says, none other has

38:17

had so profound an influence upon

38:19

all who have lived and will yet live

38:21

upon the earth. I don't

38:23

know about you. I'm not a fan

38:26

of influencer culture and the idea of

38:28

like influencers just always kind of

38:31

bugs me. But I was

38:33

texting a friend last night who actually

38:36

was on this podcast not all that long ago.

38:38

And she and her husband talked about

38:41

their daughter who was born with spinal

38:44

muscular atrophy

38:46

and they cared for her in a

38:49

way that I have never seen two

38:51

parents care for a child. And

38:54

shortly after our podcast aired,

38:56

their daughter passed away completely

38:59

unexpectedly. She wasn't

39:01

expected to be alive at 15 years

39:03

old, but she unexpectedly passed away right

39:05

after the podcast came out. And I

39:07

was texting her mom last night and

39:10

I just said, like, you will never know the

39:13

influence that you have had on me through

39:15

your example of Christ like service as a

39:17

mom. And like

39:20

your influence is immeasurable. And

39:23

I just think there are so many people

39:25

out there that because they follow the example

39:27

of Jesus Christ, they have

39:29

this massive amount of influence and they

39:32

don't even give themselves credit for it.

39:34

But I love that line about the

39:36

influence that Christ has and will yet

39:38

have upon the earth. So though that

39:41

is that is a line that I've

39:43

been thinking about recently. I wondered, Lizzie,

39:45

before we get to our last question,

39:48

I feel like

39:50

like we talked about you

39:52

have answered this variety of

39:54

calls throughout your life. In

39:57

your own words, you posted on the Instagram.

40:00

Not too long ago and I think he

40:02

summed it up quite well. He said in

40:04

the last ten years I've been an attorney,

40:06

run a christian said he and meditation company

40:09

helped create three apps and then is an

40:11

associate director of a private school helpless a

40:13

volunteer and search organizations and am a mom

40:16

with all that entails to five young kids.

40:18

Now I'm not sharing that to say anything

40:20

about me but to drive home. the point

40:22

that he's think about a career is simply

40:25

being the one job you have. Forever.

40:27

You joined were approached different lanes. But

40:29

if you think about your life's work

40:31

as malleable and fluid like a series

40:34

of Sars and a constellation of your

40:36

life, you will have the freedom to

40:38

change and bless the world's many times

40:40

and in many ways throughout your life.

40:42

And I saw agree such so mad

40:44

previously in the conversation by i'm serious.

40:47

Way you have learned about having

40:49

a life's work Why that matters

40:52

in N Y.how you've seen that

40:54

is who the word cause he

40:56

qualifies for that work whatever that

40:59

work is and how that can

41:01

also change and. I'm

41:03

so glad that you said that story. Of your son.

41:06

Before you ask me this question. And.

41:08

I. I. Feel so does

41:10

make things the way that we see.

41:14

Impacts. And influence. We

41:17

have on a worldly scale for that. And.

41:20

You have to counted up. Play is like

41:22

followers or number on a scale or number

41:24

in a bank account and like. This

41:27

is they can. Be. Here and now. And

41:29

it's really simple enough. To. Buy.

41:32

Gets really see less. Thought we must, Not

41:34

even talking about the three degrees are.

41:36

Like is like a very worldly concepts when

41:38

you only taken the here and now and

41:40

what I'm doing right at this moment and

41:42

how many people are being touched directly and

41:45

how many people like me and Stalling viewed

41:47

and. Erm. Think

41:49

the reason I feel so passionately.

41:52

About. about sharing even

41:54

my path and even making that common on

41:56

instagram which is i feel most two years

41:58

ago which is weird I've hardly been

42:00

on after, but it was one of my last

42:02

posts. Like

42:05

I grew up super shy. I felt like a

42:07

real loss of confidence that I had anything to

42:10

offer. Um, and

42:13

still like, still I, I'm trained as an

42:15

attorney and I'll like fumble my words and

42:17

get awkward and like go to introduce myself.

42:20

And I'm like, whoa, why was that so

42:22

uncomfortable? Like, and I think I

42:24

want to share those things because I want

42:26

others, especially women to believe that anything is

42:28

possible. Anything is possible

42:31

and that they do have gifts and talents

42:33

that God is waiting and ready to use,

42:37

but it has to be set under the

42:39

context you gave it. That doesn't mean everyone

42:41

goes out and creates something that's like, no,

42:44

thousands of people are doing it. It's like, I have

42:47

people in my life, just like your friend who, because

42:50

they haven't been on the

42:53

main stage and on the platform and they've given their

42:55

lives to one child or one

42:57

thing or their neighborhood, they

42:59

have had as much impact on me as a

43:01

hundred influencers could a million influencers could.

43:04

Right. And I think as women, like we

43:07

still are a little scared, maybe men too, but I

43:09

can, I've only met a woman, I know. I

43:13

think we, we live a little scared and

43:15

I think we live too far below our

43:17

capacity. Especially knowing who our business partner is

43:19

in this work. It's bad. He's

43:21

got infinite power. He's got infinite resources.

43:24

He's got infinite, all the things

43:26

that you think you might need to do something to

43:28

impact people, right? And it's for understandable

43:30

reasons. Like I get it. There's

43:32

a lot of messages that tell us we're not

43:34

enough or if we choose motherhood, it's not good

43:36

enough or impactful enough or whatever

43:38

it is. Um, but I think, I think if

43:41

more women believe that they matter and they

43:43

have something to add, to build

43:45

to God's kingdom and start acting as

43:49

if that were how they felt right now,

43:51

I think we'd see a revolution far beyond

43:54

anything we've ever seen. And again, I'm not

43:56

saying everybody go online or do the living

43:58

Christ project or do something like. Do

44:00

the one thing you're feeling called to do right now

44:02

and watch the momentum

44:05

and watch God show up and watch

44:07

him be the one to build the

44:09

kingdom. It's like a spider web

44:11

or a tapestry, like as you add

44:13

and then he has this other person add and

44:15

you touch this person who then touches that person,

44:17

he then goes and speaks about that very thing.

44:22

Like, we're going to see, it's going to be revolution. Like

44:24

I really believe this. It's revolution

44:26

time and it's happening and we just

44:28

show up. That's it. You have

44:30

desires and you show up and watch him

44:32

do it, but like don't play small. Don't

44:35

doubt yourself because really you're just doubting

44:37

him because it's not about you. Well,

44:42

I love earlier when you said,

44:45

talking about the Living Christ project, you said, I

44:47

really don't know what my role was in this.

44:50

And I think your role was, you

44:53

were like the project manager. You

44:55

moved all the different pieces and

44:57

sometimes that's what God needs. I

44:59

think recognizing that you can

45:02

be the person that gets something rolling.

45:04

You can be the person that brings

45:06

the people together that do have the

45:08

skills that can make something happen. God,

45:11

I think needs all of

45:13

us. And I also think,

45:16

and this is something I've been thinking

45:18

a lot about, is that sometimes I

45:20

think we don't do the

45:23

best job of encouraging one another in

45:25

those efforts. It's like we want other

45:27

people to play small because somehow that

45:29

makes us feel better about ourselves. And

45:32

I think if we could recognize, like

45:34

everybody around us is doing the very

45:36

best that they can to try

45:39

to contribute. And

45:42

if we could be more supportive,

45:44

it would also be revolutionary. What

45:46

could happen? So beautiful. And

45:49

I think sometimes we just don't do that because we

45:52

think it doesn't matter if we tell someone they're

45:54

doing a good job, like, oh, they don't need

45:56

to hear that. Or they probably realize like it

45:58

is inspiring what they're doing with their child. And

46:00

like, I heard it said once,

46:02

like real friends show up

46:04

and congratulate and they console. When

46:07

that's like what friends do, you show up in

46:10

the moments when people need consoling and you also

46:12

show up in the moments of congratulating. I

46:14

agree. Like that's part of kingdom building is like

46:16

being the one to cheer and be like, do

46:19

you know how often this looks from the outside?

46:21

Because I'm sure it's messy and hard and sticky

46:23

and it doesn't really look that great to you

46:25

from where you're sitting. I'm so

46:27

inspired by you. Like send

46:29

a text out like that a day, you

46:31

know, like send those out because heaven

46:34

knows we all need to hear it on the other

46:36

side. Absolutely.

46:39

Lizzie, this has been so fun for me.

46:41

I could talk to you all day long

46:43

and I know I would be

46:45

a better person as a result of it.

46:47

But my last question for you is what

46:50

does it mean to you to be all

46:52

in the gospel of Jesus Christ? I

46:55

think being all in starts by having

46:58

desires to serve God and

47:00

then experiencing Him call you to the

47:02

work. And then I think

47:04

being all in means to turn your life, all

47:07

of it over to Him.

47:09

And turning your life over doesn't mean sitting

47:11

back and waiting for Him to tell you what to

47:13

do with your life. Turning your

47:15

life over to Him means that you build your

47:18

best life possible. You

47:20

go after your highest, most audacious

47:22

claims and you believe that

47:24

anything's possible because of Him and

47:26

then go give Him that life. I

47:29

think being all in is the best way to live. It's

47:31

the land where miracles happen, where

47:33

you're changed more than you ever thought you could be.

47:36

Because being all in means that you get to

47:38

be a little part of the work that God is

47:41

all in on too. So

47:44

well said. I want

47:47

to print that out and put it on a t-shirt. Lizzie,

47:50

thank you so much for taking

47:53

the time to talk with me today. Always,

47:55

you're just a delight. Thank you,

47:57

Morgan. A

48:02

big happy birthday and thank you

48:04

to Lizzie Jensen for joining us

48:07

on today's episode. You can learn

48:09

more about the Living Christ Project

48:11

by visiting thelivingchristproject.com and

48:14

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48:16

now available on Spotify and Apple

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Music. I can't recommend memorizing this

48:20

highly enough and hope you'll join

48:22

me in doing so between now

48:24

and Easter. Big thanks to

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Derek Campbell of Mix It 6 Studios and

48:29

thank you for listening. We'll be with you

48:31

again next week.