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welcome

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to addition one oh three of all

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killer know fill a podcast and we rachel fairbairn and can

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preach i'm a client just before was that will

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do i usual disclaimer this isn't hero worship

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would do this podcast serve mutual interest

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in serial killers as long as we are to his podcast

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it stops us from writings them in prison

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yes of i'm surprised when for one i three

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i thought you'd be a hundred and three ah well

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as a sad one ose react or did so

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of up a little paws i think you could tell i was

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the and july breeze out there now one

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oh three like k one on i was gonna say key one

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as radio on all three the what

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at manchester base radio stations doesn't

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exist anymore scotto mallya but

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yeah key when i was very was

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the the radio station the

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the ones though on i mean we talked about this before

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but lancet too far to as my key

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i don't at all three i'm it's

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a welcome to oakland a fella you have

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we are chatting today

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about a female serial killer

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lot they do exist like s s

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i am and this one i saw it will

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be quick eight but

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she brought through them doesn't show yes she

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does it was a listener suggestion

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it was a listener suggestion and i wish i'd

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done my due diligence on that the listener

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before will thank you thank you

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you'll know you are we what

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we got catch up on really well when you're watching

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this this we going out like november yet

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rant about the time of your friend of mine my

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birthday i accidentally read to is

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a my birthday we can't somewhere in the week

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of me having a birthday and this one starts

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given a fair say week bear

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so i'm not a new knows i done not one of

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those people wasn't an accident casual

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she's their sit in ask as

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oh yeah i got my birthday weekend i went on

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she said it is out there she meant inhuman

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added all you did anyway

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and is just been rachel's birthday yeah

1:59

hey birthday I really do don't you know

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what it is I just I

2:03

just don't like him also it's

2:06

something that annoyed me so

2:08

someone who vaguely knows

2:11

me if I commented on everything

2:13

that it was a specific birthday

2:17

and I'm like well you're wrong and

2:19

the reason you think that is because you check my Wikipedia

2:22

because my birthday is wrong on my Wikipedia

2:24

the debt the age is wrong and

2:27

I won't tell you or down and

2:30

so whoever's done that has got my age wrong fine

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but also I don't see I think I

2:36

think this thing where I think people are obsessed with age and I don't

2:38

see the relevance of it like when someone

2:40

interviews can you know retrofirm age why

2:42

don't you have to put my age in it doesn't matter

2:44

it doesn't matter and it annoys me and

2:47

they wouldn't comment in everything oh happy what

2:49

a birthday Mike

2:50

why are you doing that yeah that is strange

2:54

especially if it's wrong it's

2:55

completely wrong I sometimes I think people

2:57

do that because they want like a connection right

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or they want to show that they know you best well

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they know me the word no I hate it when

3:04

I always get

3:06

the same sort of

3:09

feeling of like when

3:11

a birthday looms

3:12

I'm like

3:14

you know you get very you

3:16

look back on things you look back on a year and you think

3:19

not anything you know every year

3:21

gets better and better but I'm

3:23

like I just don't I just hate it I just hate the fuss

3:26

around it the fucking gonna do

3:29

when you burst

3:31

it it's mad to me

3:33

is it well yeah you I know you get quite existential

3:35

yeah yeah I do but like

3:38

you look amazing for your age

3:41

you look amazing for any age you're very good-looking

3:43

woman oh it's terrible for seven yeah

3:47

yeah you're looking a fantastic great and she

3:49

lies somewhere between

3:52

those parameters and you just recorded

3:54

live at the Apollo yeah incredible like amazing

3:57

like I thought it would be a birthday

3:59

to end all birthdays

3:59

And of course what I got

4:02

you your present you haven't mentioned that yet. Yeah

4:04

Liz McDonald earring. No,

4:06

I was gonna say an expose on Russell Brand

4:08

you did get So this

4:11

last year I got for my birthday.

4:13

I got the Queen's corpse being dragged round from pillar

4:15

to post Yeah, I also organized that you did

4:17

organize that and then this

4:19

year we got the Russell Brand expose What

4:21

will it be next year? Who knows? Also

4:25

this episode went out early

4:27

by accident and it was just

4:29

like oh We say we'll just put that back out

4:31

back out when it's meant to go out and everyone thought that we've

4:33

done something Controversially. Yeah, it's

4:36

like no just an error

4:38

Owen our producer jokes

4:40

that we had Taken it back

4:42

because we were finally able to unbeep all the names that

4:44

we've been playing for all these years But

4:47

yeah, but yeah, it's you've

4:49

had a good birthday. I think and you've done some very

4:51

wholesome activities I'd say it's

4:53

an absolutely classic Rachel Fairburn lineup.

4:56

I went to it's a thought park Yeah

5:00

roller coasters and The

5:02

worst ghost train in the history of

5:04

theme park

5:06

in my opinion scary

5:08

Well what you would anticipate from a ghost

5:10

train is at least a ghost. Yeah, no

5:12

ghosts Well, there was something that happened at the

5:14

end that I was just like that's not are

5:16

you doing no spoilers for this ghost train? Are you respecting

5:19

the art? Well, I tell you what right

5:21

basically It used to be Darren Brown's

5:23

ghost train. I'm obviously the contract has

5:25

been up for tender So now it is just

5:28

the ghost train. I was just Darren Brown. Yeah,

5:30

I'm a man and See

5:32

it it shit in what you

5:34

hear that right now. That's the ghost If

5:37

you heard that it's just a doll in the frog and bucket and

5:39

it sounded quite spooky. So I've

5:43

got nothing against drama students. I understand.

5:45

No, I understand that everyone. You know, it's

5:48

a living It's a living you're entertaining. It's

5:50

a living fine Oh It's

5:53

the carriage is like first of all you're a

5:55

train station and the carriage is a tube carriage So

5:57

that's not a train really. That's a tube train

6:01

And you sat on it with other people and it's, you know, and

6:03

it was just two drama students screaming

6:05

about This

6:13

isn't frightening then they take you into this little room

6:15

where then they tell you some cucked

6:18

up tale about Why you're on this

6:20

train and then you get back on the train and

6:22

then at the end of it a

6:25

very half-assed Figure

6:27

appears which has a Mexican Day of the Dead

6:30

mask on which is nothing keeping

6:32

at all with anything that we've been In

6:35

the thing and as you come out, there's

6:37

a bit way you think it's the end. Yeah Okay,

6:41

and it's not it's a false end love that which

6:43

crap right and there was an Irish

6:45

guy in there and he's like

6:48

Looking like I don't

6:50

look to anyone

6:51

that was the worst thing I've ever seen That

6:54

was a waste of an hour in my life. I was like, yeah so

6:57

you had to keep and they ride gone for fucking ages

6:59

sorry experience because I'm for ages and He

7:02

was so annoyed and

7:05

then something else like you come out and it's as if you're

7:07

looking at the pictures You know to get a photograph of the ride you go.

7:09

Oh my god, none of these people on the ride Oh my god,

7:11

where are we do we even exist? And

7:13

then a vending machine sort of collapses a bit and then

7:16

another drama student jumps up and goes ah again,

7:18

and

7:19

this guy was just like Oh if

7:23

the other annoyance

7:27

and anger

7:29

Was I think he spoke for all

7:31

of us? Mmm, really sometimes

7:34

you need a straight talking Irishman to just tell

7:36

you how things are Aren't they? Yeah, but also it's

7:38

true. Do you know what's depressing about that? It's obviously that

7:40

that will be probably a drama student making ends

7:42

meet trying really hard and going at least it's in

7:45

the same thing But also they will know that it's

7:47

dogshit Yeah getting ready for

7:49

what like, you know point taking and putting all that zombie

7:51

makeup on and be like I've

7:53

got a listen to a paper thin walls. What someone

7:55

goes that was the worst experience of my

7:57

life That was terrible and you've just

7:59

You've just really tried your hardest on

8:02

it. But also I did feel that they were overacting. Okay.

8:05

I felt like if they pulled it back a bit. Just

8:08

giving it a bit less brain. In fact, you know who

8:10

I actually thought would find it

8:12

hilarious? Go on. Your

8:14

partner. No, really? Yeah, because I turned

8:16

to Tim and I went, you know, he would love this. And

8:19

I just imagined, but it reminded me of

8:21

something that he would do. On

8:23

stage. Yeah,

8:26

like so much of it just reminded me of him

8:28

in a funny

8:30

sort of, I would love to have

8:33

been there to see it. He's actually

8:35

very bad because of his like background and performance.

8:37

He's very bad at watching people perform badly. Loads

8:40

of time we'll be watching RuPaul

8:42

and when they have a stand up challenge, I'll turn around to say something

8:44

to him. And he's standing in the doorway between

8:46

the kitchen and the sitting room and he's like, I

8:49

can't cope with it. And he's got like, he keeps lifting

8:51

his, he finds it too, if people are really bad

8:53

at stuff, he finds it very uncomfortable.

8:55

See, I love it when people are bad. I

8:57

love, I get more inspiration from people

8:59

who are bad at things than

9:01

I do. And I get more from it. And

9:04

I don't know if I do respect these people to a degree,

9:07

but it was just so bad.

9:10

Is it worse than, so I, see

9:12

I used to love a theme park because that was a big thing

9:14

at the end of year seven, eight and nine and I thought you

9:16

would get to go to the home towers. Huge deal.

9:19

Unless you're one of the naughty ones. Or

9:22

now look, but probably poor because you

9:25

have to pay to go and do it. Anyway, so,

9:27

home towers is a big deal. But

9:30

I remember going back as like in my twenties

9:32

all like sort of standard makes, Will Duggan was there and people

9:34

like that and P. Ottway. And

9:36

I remember the hex had opened and

9:39

the hex was, as I recall,

9:41

a very long queue with

9:44

some quite poor video footage. And

9:46

the big reveal is, it's a mean tree.

9:50

And I just don't think that that is

9:52

quite enough to justify the hype. Is

9:54

it better than the hex or worse?

9:58

Did you jump?

9:59

It's not even a bit like the one that we did on Madame Tussauds.

10:03

Not once, there was nothing in it that

10:05

was frightening. And the other thing is, you know, you get

10:09

the tube in London when you come back late

10:11

from a gig. And

10:13

quite often the reason someone's screaming at you, so you're

10:15

like, well, this is just yet another example.

10:19

The simulation. This is just, you know, this

10:21

is a study of mental illness in the community.

10:24

And I just, it

10:26

really pissed me off because I just thought it could

10:28

be good this, but it's not. And it

10:30

just really irritate me because I thought, all

10:33

those people queuing for that. And

10:36

this is what we got. The other eyes are good though.

10:38

Good roller coasters. Love

10:41

a Dodger.

10:42

Do you? I think I have got

10:44

a sort of permanent back injury from Dodger. Have

10:47

you? Yeah, because they're just, people really

10:49

go at them. And I hate being nudged. You

10:51

know what I hate? If anyone wakes me up like this, I immediately,

10:53

I'll wake up with a clench of it. Like,

10:56

you're kidding me. And

10:58

Dodger, is this like,

11:00

as a game? I play my own game.

11:03

I just drive around. You can't get me.

11:06

You can't get me. Shh,

11:08

going around like that. You can't get me. Also,

11:12

October, I'm going to go to Blackfield Pleasure Beach

11:14

because you just go at least three times a year. You

11:16

should come. 22nd of October. I'm

11:18

coming to New Zealand, don't I? Oh, for fucks sake.

11:20

I know, I do really want to go there. Because I'm going there

11:22

and also I got a... A

11:25

capybara stroking experience. What?

11:28

Yeah, it was my Christmas present. In Blackpool,

11:30

it's in Preston. What's it doing in

11:32

Preston, that pall bastard? It's like a wildlife

11:35

park. Yeah, why is it there? It

11:37

was born there. There's a few of them in there. It's

11:40

like a wildlife park with... There's no like...

11:43

A capybara born in Chorley. Is there anything sadder?

11:46

So you're going to go and have a go on it? What?

11:48

I'm going to stroke it. You can get the plant

11:50

that makes it. You should have paid a bit more.

11:53

No, I just like them. They're nice creatures

11:55

and I watch a lot of videos about them. And

11:58

I think they're quite charming and I just... I just wanna stroke

12:00

one.

12:01

I'm gonna give it a carrot or something though. Well,

12:03

the biggest rodent.

12:05

Uh, the capybarra,

12:07

not my ex-boyfriend. Just wanna stroke them. And

12:11

so I might wanna go there and do that afterwards. But,

12:13

you know, we're gonna. Just a shame Camelot isn't still there

12:15

because you could have figured it out. Camelot was on the

12:18

side of the M6, wasn't it? And it was

12:20

a medieval sea. Yeah. Steve

12:23

Royal. You'd do it there. Brilliant comedian

12:25

Steve Royal used to be the jester. He did. What

12:27

was it called, the jester? I can't remember what he was called.

12:30

And they used to have jousting. I got my

12:32

first ever troll from

12:35

Camelot's same pack. Now, was it one that

12:37

went on the end of a pencil? It was a

12:39

necklace one. What was it? A necklace

12:41

one. And it was a damn troll. I collected damn trolls. I

12:44

didn't collect the rust ones. I didn't know there was a different. Yeah,

12:46

I was damn trolls. And I remember getting it on. It

12:48

was like my dad bought it. And I

12:50

was like, wow, this is

12:53

the best thing I've ever had. Have

12:55

you still got it? I have still got it. I knew

12:57

you'd have had one. And I've still got quite a few of the trolls

13:00

as well. I said I'm going to do them now,

13:02

but I was like, this is the best thing anyone

13:04

has ever bought me. I cannot believe

13:07

that I own this. What colour was the

13:09

hair? Black hair. Yeah, I didn't

13:11

go for it. None of this, you know,

13:13

didn't want to wacky stuff. I

13:16

knew what trolls I wanted from that moment.

13:19

I used to make clothes for my trolls. Not

13:23

because I was like, please cover it up. Just

13:25

because I used to make clothes for stuff, you know, like just

13:27

cut bits and feel like that's cute, isn't it? Yeah,

13:29

it's nice that. It's very wholesome of us, isn't

13:32

it? Let's

13:34

crack on with the murder to cleanse the palette. Oh,

13:37

one more thing. I went

13:39

to a Viking reenactment.

13:43

What birthday was it? Because it feels like it's

13:45

the big six five. I am actually a thousand

13:47

years old. And well,

13:50

what happened was I went to... I

13:53

was due to go on a ghost tour on Saturday.

13:56

But what with this big documentary being

13:58

on?

13:59

I said to Tim,

14:01

why don't we just go to your parents in Lincolnshire and

14:04

get away from all. They look nice big TV. They can

14:06

watch it there. So he's like, okay,

14:08

yeah, fine. And we went there and

14:11

had a lovely day. And then

14:13

the next day, we drove to the shop just to get some

14:15

bread. She's very boring in this bit. But

14:17

on the way back, I noticed this sign and it said,

14:20

Threakingham Vikings.

14:22

And I went, what's that? And Tim's

14:24

like,

14:26

never mind. I went, what is

14:28

it? What's Threakingham Vikings? Is it a thing that's

14:30

happening today? Because it says the 15th

14:32

and 16th September, 17th and it

14:35

was yesterday and today. What is it? I don't know.

14:37

Got back into his house and I went, what's all this thing about the

14:39

Vikings? And he's going, oh, I meant to tell you. Went

14:41

on the phone. You'll love this. It's a Viking

14:44

reenactment festival. I went, okay,

14:46

yeah, keep talking Julie. And

14:48

they've got stalls and I went, really?

14:50

Yeah. And Tim went, do

14:53

you want to go? I went,

14:55

yes, I do. And then his dad went, wait for

14:57

me. I want to come to you. I

15:00

loved it. We were only there for about half an hour. I loved

15:04

it. There was all people who must,

15:06

that's their hobby doing reenactment.

15:09

Great. And they were dressed in all the clothes and

15:11

I said to Tim, I said, look Tim, I said,

15:13

suspend reality. We could

15:16

be in a Viking village. He

15:18

didn't answer me again. He wasn't interested.

15:20

And then there was two guys using like, He said that he's taking

15:23

a card payment at one of the stores. She's so

15:25

complex. The stores were great, loved it. A bit

15:27

expensive, but you know, didn't buy anything. But there

15:30

was, I was just looking at it. It was just a family

15:32

of like six, all different generations, you

15:34

know, just staring. As a man dressed as

15:37

an Anglo Saxon, I imagine, with arrows

15:39

in his back, just lay on the grass and we're just like

15:41

eating the sandwiches. The

15:43

food tent, Scramdinavia.

15:47

Love it. Really good work. Nice. Yeah.

15:50

Watched a bit of the reenactment thing and then there was a

15:52

St. Joe Ambulance thing just outside. And

15:54

there was a little event, the other one. And I said, shall

15:56

I go up and tell that St. Joe Ambulance man

15:59

that there's a guy without a hand?

15:59

in his back line in that field and there's

16:02

two men. So anyway, let's

16:04

go. I hope it's not too authentic,

16:06

knowing that the things that the Vikings

16:08

are famous for. I don't think they send John's

16:11

ambulance a deal. Yeah. Trying to deal

16:13

with that. It was very much the softer side

16:16

of the Vikings. Yeah, it's having long

16:18

hair and a broadsword, isn't it? As opposed

16:20

to the pillage. Yeah, and they were making chain

16:23

mail. They were showing you all the crafts that they would have done back in

16:25

the day. I really enjoyed it. You know

16:27

what, I'd love to do that. If anyone does reenactments,

16:30

I don't want to join you. But

16:33

I'd love to come along and just see what you

16:35

do. I have been talking about this week laughing

16:38

live action role playing. OK. You know, where people

16:40

dress up as different periods. Yeah, yeah. I

16:43

have heard from several reliable sources now,

16:46

because they'll go every weekend to think, it's a sex

16:48

thing, guys. I'm out. I don't want

16:50

to. No. Is it? It's

16:53

a sex thing. It's loads

16:55

of banging. I

16:57

just want to embrace the history and

17:00

enjoy the costumes. I don't want that. Get

17:02

a podcast then. Why does everything have

17:04

to come back to sex? Why can't we just enjoy

17:07

ourselves in a, you know, in a,

17:09

when I left, I said, you know what that was? Like, you're on

17:12

the television in the 50s. Well,

17:14

do you know what I said? I said, that was good, clean

17:16

fun, that. Well, that's what you think, because

17:18

when the lights go out, baby. Oh, no.

17:22

Don't ever say that every weekend. That

17:24

was horrible. It won't be just arrows sticking out

17:26

of costume. Candles go out, you mean? When

17:30

the goat fat burns down. So

17:34

that's what I did. And I enjoyed

17:36

myself. If you are a laughter

17:38

and you're watching and listening

17:39

to this new thing, I misrepresented your community.

17:42

I do apologize. But I was, it

17:44

was, I sort of suspected this when I did some laughing

17:47

at part of the comedy bus. And I said, I said,

17:49

there's a joke. I said, is this a sex thing? And he went, I

17:52

think we all have sex as much

17:55

as any group of people who come together. It's

17:57

the most swingy answer I've ever heard in my life.

17:59

And then this week I was trying to remember someone and I was

18:02

like, oh yeah, it's just a sex thing.

18:03

It's fun to dress up and then there's loads of banging.

18:06

Horny nerds, innit, man? Well...

18:08

Horny nerds, comedy is the other

18:11

place they're at. Another thing ruined. Why

18:14

does everything have to be so rude all the time?

18:17

Why are you such a prude?

18:19

I don't know. I mean, I know what I'm like on stage and

18:21

there's a time and a place for stuff, but can

18:24

we not just have nice things sometimes without somebody...

18:27

Yeah, like, you know,

18:29

everything's... Oh, the

18:31

world's gone for shit, quite frankly.

18:34

Welcome to the podcast. So,

18:37

we're going to be talking about... She's often incorrectly

18:39

called Lydia, isn't she? Yes. But

18:41

her name is... Lyda. Lyda.

18:43

Lyda with a D. Southard, that's how

18:46

you say it, is it? Southard. I

18:48

think it's Southered. Southered? Southered,

18:50

yes. Lyda Southered. We're

18:52

doing that because Owen has someone

18:55

close to him in his life without surname.

18:57

God, you're talking like a medium. Is

18:59

there a Lyda

19:00

in the house? Also

19:03

known as Trueblood, Lyda's Trueblood. And

19:06

the Black Widow. Yeah, wah, wah, wah. And Flypaper

19:08

Lyda. Love

19:10

that. Like me, my Flypaper. Do

19:13

you know what we were chatting about is we chat about

19:15

merch and things like that. We really wanted to do merch

19:17

that's

19:19

Flypaper, spray-painted golf for Christmas

19:22

as a bauble.

19:23

Would you want it? I'd be interested in that. We think it's

19:25

a lovely little idea. Also,

19:28

can I just, I don't understand, you know, it's

19:30

the most wartime thing to catch flies that

19:32

I have there. Why do I always go for

19:34

an old thing? I think, and your moss

19:37

things as well are those like sticky things. Yeah,

19:40

it is, but also there's nothing

19:43

better than that because also spray is horrible and it

19:45

sticks on everything. Flies have been very bad this year. We

19:47

don't have time to talk about them. I've had a lot of flies. Oh, I've

19:49

not told you this, have I? Do you know,

19:51

a ton of flies do not tell you the most disgusting thing I ever

19:53

saw when I went in the graveyard. No.

19:55

Right. I went,

19:58

you know me, I like to pop into a graveyard and have a look. and

20:00

I popped into one in, I think

20:03

it was Leighton.

20:04

It stopped me if I told you. And I was

20:06

just mooching around, it's where one of the Jack the Ripper

20:09

victims is buried and right near that grave, I was

20:11

like, oh, I didn't know that was in here. Sort

20:13

of, and then I saw, and

20:17

I took a picture of it because it's the weirdest thing I've ever

20:19

seen, a toy plastic dinosaur. I

20:21

don't know what variety of dinosaur.

20:23

One with spikes on its back, possibly made up.

20:26

And there was just dog shit on it.

20:29

I can explain that. I

20:32

was the dog. No, it's not

20:34

on top of the toy. Yes. Right, dogs

20:36

will quite often find something like a bit

20:39

higher to shit onto. So

20:41

like my dog will like find something

20:43

and be like, that's the highest point, I'm gonna poop

20:45

on that. I don't know why. It's

20:47

nice and proud to be working it. I'm just walking around and

20:49

I'm just like,

20:50

why?

20:52

Just everything, why? There's

20:54

no reason for that.

20:58

Did the dog bring the dinosaur? The

21:00

dog didn't bring the dinosaur. The dog found the dinosaur

21:02

and was like, I'm gonna poop on that because it's higher. Do you

21:05

think the dinosaur was on someone's grave and it

21:07

pinched it? No, I think a child dropped the dinosaur.

21:10

I don't think this is worth a deep dive. So

21:13

we had to take a little pause then because we're in Manchester

21:15

and it started raining so much and the guttering has

21:17

gone outside the window. So our

21:20

producer Owen has to go out, physically

21:22

unclog the guttering. I have to say,

21:24

I as a Mancunian, I used to get

21:26

really offended when everybody would be like,

21:29

so I was raining in Manchester. I'd be like, well actually that's a myth.

21:32

And every time I come up here now, I'm like,

21:34

I'm losing this argument. So

21:38

we're just picking up where we left off because we were

21:40

mending the guttering. We

21:43

sat here on our phones while Owen went and did it

21:45

in the room. So Lyda,

21:47

she's born in Keatsville, which

21:49

is just north of

21:52

Kansas City. Missouri. Yes, the

21:54

way it describes it is on the flat land of Missouri,

21:56

which sounds lovely. Now she's

21:58

from a family that was quite...

23:59

I think it's rare for them and they don't really do

24:02

it with men. No. So yes, so

24:04

she's only used to about 19 when they get married. They

24:06

have a daughter in 1913. The

24:09

daughter is called Lorraine. And that Lorraine is actually

24:11

Lorraine Kelly that you see on ITV.

24:15

I used to play with when I

24:17

was growing up. It's not by the way, I feel like I have to

24:19

say it's not. No, it's not. There's

24:22

kids I used to play with when I was growing up and I think it was

24:24

like a... You know when you have a cousin's

24:27

cousin that's not your cousin kind of thing. Yeah.

24:30

Called Lorraine. But I could never

24:32

pronounce the name and I used to call him Morraine.

24:35

Like Morraine, is Morraine coming to play? Morraine.

24:37

That must have been very cute. But

24:40

also the older kids used to

24:42

try and pick up me for it. I

24:44

can imagine you just not allowing anyone

24:46

to catch on you. Even as a little kid I was like,

24:49

I was going to say the thing, I just used to

24:51

think, well, I'm a knob.

24:53

The older knob man. Who's

24:56

Morraine in? So they

24:58

move in together after having baby Lorraine and

25:00

they move in with his brother as well,

25:03

Edward Dooley. Now,

25:06

very soon into it, one of the things that

25:08

she pushes for is like everyone should have life insurance. That's

25:10

obviously just like... Oh, you must get life

25:13

insurance. Have you got life insurance? Me?

25:15

You're the heck. No, I've got no insurance.

25:18

I don't see the point like... And I've said this before,

25:20

like if I don't have any kids. So what's

25:23

the reason you'd have... No, because if I

25:25

died, like then your partner stuck with

25:27

a mortgage, right, or homeless. I've got

25:29

a bloody mortgage. I've got a rent.

25:32

Well, I've said this before. The worst

25:34

that happens if I died, my

25:37

parents get to have a really good car boot sale.

25:40

That's the worst. Like

25:43

put it all in a van, take it down

25:45

to the car park on a Sunday. Can I have first

25:47

dibs? I have first dibs, mate. Everyone come round,

25:49

set what you want. I haven't got life insurance,

25:52

absolutely not. I haven't got life insurance. I

25:54

feel like it's I should have a will, I

25:56

think because I've got a house. Oh, you should have a will. I remember

25:59

signing...

27:59

Yeah, I just don't think you can

28:02

also hate it whoo tin salmon

28:05

whenever I've had it is very rarely There's

28:07

always little spine bones in it. No,

28:09

don't little um like vertebra

28:12

and they're soft

28:14

Disgusting

28:16

Absolutely vile my dad. This is

28:19

this is probably not gonna be worth me talking about.

28:21

The salmon's freshwater as well, isn't it? Don't

28:23

why does that make a difference? Well, I'll say if it's from

28:25

the sea. It's not for me, but

28:27

also If it's freshwater

28:31

You'll have it. No, I don't eat

28:33

anything out. I don't eat. I don't like

28:35

duck Like it swims on water

28:38

either. Okay This

28:40

right so nothing that swims

28:43

Elephant

28:47

Crocodile have you had crocodile

28:50

I have eaten a bit crocodile. I did it was under duress

28:52

though. I didn't want to What

28:54

occasion is that when you're forced under

28:56

duress to eat a crocodile what occasion is that I went

28:58

to Florida with

29:01

My ex-boyfriend, you know with the

29:03

favorite ex-boyfriend I'm

29:07

up for anything me and

29:08

Well,

29:13

he was up for anything Give

29:16

him credit there, but I just

29:18

yeah, he's like, oh come and try these Frogs,

29:21

I don't want to You've

29:24

got a very basic palette. No, I just don't

29:26

want to eat that. Yeah, and I went there I

29:28

don't like it and then we'll try this

29:30

crocodile. I don't want to I like

29:32

crocodile fishy chicken in it disgusting

29:35

I thought it's nice. But anyway, I don't eat then I've got

29:37

a live for an entire day knowing that that's

29:39

in my system And

29:43

they know as well they can sense it so

29:46

can of salmon was open obviously

29:48

it's quite hot down there She said it's been open too

29:50

long and that's what made him ill She

29:53

collected four and a half thousand

29:55

pounds because the insurance payment was that if

29:58

one of the brothers died the other one would money

30:00

and she would get a payout as well. So

30:02

yeah four and a half thousand pounds for the

30:04

baby and for him. Not bad? No,

30:07

not bad. Now very shortly afterwards

30:09

October the 12th 1915 her

30:12

husband dies, the brother dies, Robert.

30:15

And everyone just thinks this one's having such bad luck.

30:17

So they said it's on the death certificate as typhoid

30:21

and she said what it was is he was drinking from

30:23

a cistern of water next to the

30:25

barn and that must have had typhoid in it

30:27

because it was stagnant and it wasn't moving. Like who

30:29

are these people who were like you can tell sphagnate

30:31

water another thing that's frickin stink.

30:34

Everyone's teeth smell so bad they have got no

30:36

sense of smell so they're just knocking back off

30:38

salmon and like puddle water.

30:40

He's actually making me sick this one. She's

30:44

collected life insurance for all three of them at this

30:46

point. She has. All three.

30:47

Now she was sort of, she basically planted

30:50

enough seeds that it was typhoid and that's

30:52

got put on the death certificate

30:55

and that becomes important

30:57

later on. I'm gonna turn my page.

31:00

How do you feel about that? Do it.

31:02

Lovely. Put

31:03

that in the sound library.

31:05

Turning

31:07

of a page. Two years later. Because

31:09

she's only young. She's young, she's spending the

31:11

money. She's having a good time. Two

31:14

years later she married

31:17

a man called William Mac... How

31:19

do I say this? MacHafel. She married

31:22

a man called William

31:23

MacHafel. Do you know where they met?

31:25

Go on. He was a waiter at her favourite

31:27

restaurant. Oh god of course. In

31:30

Twin Peaks. I like that. And she was like, a

31:32

twin fall, sorry not twin peaks. In Twin

31:34

Falls. And she took a, I

31:36

think by this time she's throwing her money around a bit because they

31:38

sort of imply later on that she's living

31:40

the high life. Well I imagine maybe her money's running out at

31:42

this point is two years. Interesting.

31:45

And she's gone, ooh I need a must get myself another husband.

31:47

But I think he's gone for her because she thinks she's

31:50

rich. Although she's very sort

31:52

of, you know, she gets people to do her bidding

31:54

so I think she's quite attractive. Now

31:57

he marries her in June 1970. By 1918,

32:00

he was dead. They

32:04

moved to Montana and

32:07

they lived there for over a year. She took time

32:09

with this one, didn't she? Eighteen months. Yeah.

32:12

And he, it was pointed to the death certificate

32:14

that he died of influenza complications,

32:16

which was handy because it was a flu pandemic. Yes.

32:20

Influenza and diphtheria, they didn't really know. They just knew that

32:22

it was a complication from that. So again,

32:24

it's very vague and that goes in her favor

32:26

later on. Now, she gets a premium out

32:28

on him. She immediately

32:29

had life insurance and she gets a five,

32:32

well, she would have got a 5K payout,

32:35

which is so much money now, let

32:37

alone then. But old

32:40

dad William forgot to pay the second premium

32:42

on the insurance so she didn't get anything. No.

32:46

She must have been absolutely gutted. No. I

32:48

know. All for nothing. All

32:50

for nothing. Well, she moves on quickly. Yeah. She

32:53

moves to Denver then, doesn't she? In 2019, she

32:55

meets and marries a third...

33:00

We're being sabotaged by toxic masculinity

33:04

and all repair work at the Froggenbock.

33:06

Imagine if it was me just, I was

33:09

going to say throw my voice, but I couldn't make

33:11

that noise. Throw

33:13

my ass. Throw my ass. Uncooth.

33:15

What do you do when you need

33:17

to fart? Do you go to the toilet? It's

33:21

private. It's horrible. I

33:23

just don't know how people can just be so free

33:26

and easy. I don't like it when people fart

33:28

around me. It's disgusting. It's the mark

33:30

of a pig. There was a guy on a

33:32

short film that we were working on who

33:35

would just like, so bearing in

33:37

mind we'd known him like a day, we'd just sort of like lift

33:39

up and open and fart. No. Yeah,

33:42

and just doing a work with Tarot and Edwin, did

33:45

that just come from your asshole? This

33:47

guy that you snow in like eight hours.

33:50

It's like, oh yeah, sorry, I forgot there's

33:52

people around. He was like, I'm going to open a

33:54

window because you've just farted onto the sandwich that I'm

33:56

about to eat. Oh my God,

33:58

were you strange? I think this guy

34:00

was deeply mad. We call him, let's

34:03

change his name. Okay, so I can see Lucy Beaumont's

34:05

post on the wall, so we're gonna call him Lucy, right? This

34:08

guy got so much to tell you about this guy. So Lucy

34:10

was working on one of our short films. We've done

34:13

three, so we can't track it down, right? He

34:16

definitely lied about where he lived to get the job because we always

34:18

try and employ local people in Wales. Were he in it? No,

34:20

he was around it. He was on the crew, yeah. And

34:24

he was having some kind of allergic

34:26

reaction to the Airbnb he was staying

34:28

in. Every day he came in, he looked more and more

34:32

like he was in a medical trial. It was unbelievable.

34:35

So he also would

34:37

openly fart onto

34:39

people. It was during COVID times

34:41

as well. And so he had a cough

34:44

and he kept ruining takes by coughing and everyone was like,

34:46

have you tested though? And he

34:48

was like, they could do such a

34:50

funny act out of it. He would be putting

34:52

someone's mic on and then cough in their face and go,

34:56

to see if they did anything. And then he would carry on putting

34:58

them on. It was so weird. He also

35:00

said, he's talking about music and he said,

35:03

best band I've ever seen live, Glenn Miller. Glenn

35:05

Miller and his band, Best Band.

35:07

Then we were committed to the vampire who's looked up Glenn

35:10

Miller when missing him. I was gonna

35:12

say, guys like 25. And we were like, what?

35:14

And then he would wait. So this is

35:17

being filmed at my house.

35:19

You can't track it down because it's filmed all through them at my house,

35:21

right? So it'd be filmed at my house and then everyone

35:23

would go. And then about an hour later, we'd get like a takeaway

35:25

and we all sit and debrief. Every single

35:27

time we sit down for the takeaway, he would

35:30

be there at the door and be like,

35:31

what are you doing here? Everyone else has gone home.

35:34

And he'd be like, oh, you're having a Chinese? Yeah,

35:36

I love Chinese. And we're like, okay, see you tomorrow.

35:39

And I know that sounds really rude, but like this is just a man

35:41

in my house. He would stay behind afterwards so he could shit

35:43

in the toilet and not take it out

35:45

into the Airbnb.

35:47

I think he's one of the worst people I've ever heard about.

35:49

I will get Tara

35:51

to do a list of all the mad stuff that

35:53

he did. And have you seen him

35:55

since? No.

35:56

We worked him on an early film. And then

35:58

when we're making other films, since we always try and work on it.

35:59

were the same people, you know, go, they're

36:02

great, let's give them some more work. He's the only

36:04

person that we're like, under no circumstances

36:06

is that man coming back and farting onto

36:08

sandwiches, farting into soup bowls,

36:11

shitting in a toilet. Soup bowls? Yeah, like some

36:13

people would be sad they're having a soup for lunch

36:15

on set, and he would come and like fart

36:18

onto the soup. Like he's so

36:20

horrible. And then talking about how he loves Glenn

36:22

Miller. It's mad. Rachel, it's absolutely

36:24

mad.

36:26

I don't know what to say. We think he's a vampire. I

36:28

am. Stunned by this.

36:31

And I'm sorry, the first instance

36:33

of him breaking wind, I would have got rid of him. You

36:37

can't thank someone because I'll be like,

36:39

oh, I've got a problem. It's a medical issue. Like you cannot.

36:41

Well, you should disclose that before you. Like

36:46

your, your, this is mad.

36:49

You can't take this to court. I've got a call. It's

36:52

not gross misconduct. It's just fucking gross.

36:54

Yeah, I will take that too. Because

36:58

I am sorry. I'm going to start farting during this.

37:00

No, I will take it to court and

37:03

I will win because I will say, I'm sorry,

37:05

bad manners. It's not acceptable. And it was creating

37:07

an atmosphere. Literally, literally.

37:11

Of making other people feel uncomfortable.

37:13

So that one person was ruined the

37:16

work environment for everybody else. Sumer.

37:19

Listen, if, if the various

37:21

people in comedy can get away with the unpleasant

37:24

environments that they create for

37:26

decades and decades, I don't think you're gonna have, I

37:28

don't think you're gonna make it to the old bailiff with a fart

37:30

mate. He

37:32

expose on. What

37:36

are we talking about? I don't know. Oh yeah, we talked

37:38

about so she marries this waiter again, yeah,

37:40

gets a life insurance. He hasn't paid it. So she's moved on

37:42

to so he dies for nothing. He dies for nothing.

37:44

So she's in Denver. And she is

37:48

the next husband, I can't believe she's already like

37:50

she's on to three 1919. She marries her third husband, Harlan

37:53

Lewis. Nice name, Harlan. Very

37:56

Montana.

37:57

He's a automotive engineer.

38:00

Now I wrote that all out because I thought I went to write

38:02

mechanic, but I thought what if he what if that's

38:04

like He's not a mechanic

38:07

and actually, you know, we're really hard. Yeah qualifications

38:09

I didn't want to denigrate him in death. So he

38:11

is an automotive Engineer

38:13

now They were basically only married for some

38:16

of the things three and four months and

38:18

he dies then of complications from gastroenteritis

38:21

So unpleasant, isn't it? Also gastroenteritis

38:24

was the thing that

38:26

That so many people in school be like I've got gastroenter

38:28

you know, like everyone's got chest infection I've got cold

38:31

got gastroenteritis and like just they had tummy

38:33

tummy ache Yeah, so few people have

38:35

gastroenteritis food poisoning

38:37

that's the other one food poisoning everyone's got food poisoning

38:39

Yeah, I think when you have food poisoning,

38:42

it's like your life is ending. I think you know it Yeah,

38:44

it's actually would never had it touch would I add

38:46

it once and I've definitely told

38:49

issues when it that sausage From

38:51

that my mom said oh, I thought it's not funny, but you were

38:53

really enjoying it And

38:57

I From what I recall

38:59

from feeling ill I was sick

39:01

But I didn't actually feel like sick

39:04

sick what I felt was like my entire

39:06

that my skin was crawling Yeah,

39:09

I know that we feel like it's coming away from your clothes I'm like

39:11

old and I'm like it was cold and I felt like goosebumps

39:14

like going up and down all the time and all the hairs

39:16

Was standing up and I was just constantly vomiting

39:19

But it's so weird and you know, yeah your

39:21

hands on your head feel like they're standing away I

39:23

didn't feel sick. I just felt very

39:26

ill when I got it after a

39:28

friend of ours wedding I think a load of people got ill I

39:31

don't know if it was norovirus. I don't think it was food But

39:33

I didn't eat I was fine me. Well,

39:35

I got that I I'm sure I told you this so

39:38

it's the first time I was doing Breaking

39:40

into a clothe off the curve right? They booked all these

39:43

I remember they was it Halifax. It was

39:45

Halifax Yeah, and you were really ill. Yeah, I'm a spare

39:47

pressure I was because the person was the live

39:49

booker at PBJ at the time my agent wouldn't

39:51

let me pull it It's like we've worked really hard to get you in here

39:53

and I thought oh, okay So I turned up because

39:56

I have two pairs of the same black trousers sequin trousers.

39:59

I had a pair under my eye because I was like, if I shit

40:01

myself, at least I can change. I drove there

40:03

with a bowl between me and the

40:05

thing to be sick into. And then

40:07

on the way back, a very peculiar

40:10

comedian, I've definitely told you this, was

40:12

like, can I have

40:14

a lift back to Manchester to stay at Will Duggan's

40:16

house? I said, yeah. And I was talking about where he said it. I

40:18

said,

40:19

does Will Duggan know you're coming to stay? And

40:21

he went, I have to say that

40:23

he's had this before. And I was like, is

40:25

he expecting you? And he was like, I

40:28

haven't told him that I am staying.

40:30

I thought you have to. Okay. And so

40:32

I went,

40:33

you just set my house if you want. And he

40:36

was like, well, what am I gonna do? Like, fuck these

40:38

people. We are too

40:41

tolerant of this kind of behavior.

40:43

So I taken back. So I'm feeling

40:45

really ill. I've made it a whole day. Like I'm drinking

40:47

Pepto-Bismol. I've told the audience,

40:49

ha, if I run off stage, just because I'm about to shit myself.

40:51

And I was like, no, no, no, really, I'm

40:53

really ill. I shouldn't really be here, but you know, I

40:56

need to do this gig. And the gig went well? The

40:58

gig went well, yeah. So

41:00

then I'm driving this guy back to my house. He's

41:03

bought fried chicken that he's eating in the car. So I'm

41:06

like, and then you're ill. He knows

41:08

a meal. And then he's going, I said, oh, how's the

41:10

fried chicken? And I've got the window open. I've got my head

41:12

out as far out as I can get that's legally safe. And

41:15

he said, I was near, but did an accident. And he said, oh,

41:17

it's not bad. He said, it's really gristly. So what I'm doing is I'm

41:19

rubbing it to see my fingers to find the gristle.

41:21

And then I'll pull that bit out and I'll throw that out

41:23

the window. And then I'm eating the other bits. And I was like, oh,

41:26

I was so

41:28

unwell. I was like, is that what you're

41:30

doing? And then I get back to the house. Is this person

41:33

still gigging?

41:35

Sort of every now and then.

41:37

Okay. So I get back to the house. I

41:41

go, here's the bedroom, here's the bathroom. Now in

41:43

my old house in Manchester, there was our bedroom and

41:45

then very thin walls to his house and then that

41:47

bedroom. So then he gets on the phone and he's

41:50

like, so I'm like lying about him. I

41:52

was with a different partner at the time. And he was like, who's

41:55

that? And I thought, oh, this guy's got no way to stay.

41:57

He's going to go home tomorrow. And he's like, right,

41:59

okay.

41:59

And then I was like, sorry to work you out kind of thing.

42:02

And then I can hear her on the phone going, yeah,

42:04

this girl said I could just stay at her house. So

42:07

like, yeah, it's it. But you know, she's got a dog and stuff.

42:09

She's like openly flagging off my house.

42:12

And I'm so also like that partner

42:14

was really ill with it at the time as well. And

42:16

was like, who's this? I just want to shit in

42:18

peace in my house. At that point, I would have gone

42:20

into that bedroom and gone, you can fuck off. You

42:23

wouldn't though. Yeah, but I would. I

42:25

do believe you actually. You underestimate me. I

42:28

would not have it. And especially

42:29

now, sometimes over the years when

42:32

I've gone, all right, fine. And I

42:34

created an environment of discomfort for myself

42:37

that will not happen anymore, that is not happening anymore.

42:39

That person was rude on so many levels. And

42:41

then in the morning I woke up and was like making

42:44

breakfast and stuff. And then he was like, what

42:46

time are you leaving? Because I was thinking

42:49

you can drive me down to the coach station. And I was

42:51

like, okay.

42:53

Yeah.

42:55

Unbelievable. Yeah,

42:59

I'll tell you after it is.

43:02

Anyway. What do I know of them? Yeah, you

43:04

all know of them, yeah. Do I like them?

43:06

I don't think you know them well enough to, well then

43:08

in that case, no. So,

43:11

we're on to husband number four.

43:14

So this is Edward F. Mayer.

43:17

He is a ranch foreman. Yep.

43:20

And he immediately apparently falls

43:22

for her. But, so

43:25

this is the talk of the town, this relationship. And

43:27

she goes in hard. So she's very well known for being very

43:29

glamorous. She apparently turns up to,

43:31

she goes to a lot of dances to meet men. Do you

43:33

think it's a case of fine feathers make fine birds?

43:36

What does that mean?

43:37

Do you not know that thing? Do you know that thing? I've heard of it,

43:39

I don't know what it means. Like,

43:42

if someone isn't particularly attractive

43:45

physically, they can wear fantastic clothes

43:47

and then

43:48

people assume

43:50

that they're a good looking person. Oh, interesting.

43:52

The clothes gave off the vibe

43:54

of something. The clothes make us the man, kind of thing. I

43:57

think it would, well, everything she does that they

43:59

know. lots of dancers so she's meeting lots of people

44:01

but she wears a full make coat ooh

44:04

a covered car they're all like I'm rich

44:06

I'm rich so then these guys like hold on this

44:12

is taken to court for that far so

44:16

yes she's she's very sort of she's a fine feather

44:19

no she's a fine bird with fine feathers yeah yeah and so

44:21

yes she's she's got lots of things that exude wealth

44:24

and she's single so I think

44:26

that the they catch she's

44:29

a catch yeah and he did well to get her yeah

44:31

so apparently she sort of went she she called

44:33

it him and he fell for it and

44:36

almost immediately proposes and she

44:38

was like yeah she's feeling spontaneous

44:40

she said yes absolutely so in 1920

44:43

this is only

44:45

it's a bad year

44:50

so

44:53

that's the sound of him just taking loads of Russell Brand

44:55

pictures off the wall ah ah

44:58

Sam while you're at it

45:01

and have a good man oh I don't know

45:03

if I believe that one well no did you see the Sun was

45:05

like because apparently the names are gonna be leaked

45:07

over the next few weeks and but

45:09

there's so much Russell Brand thing at the moment I don't think

45:11

I don't know news could cope with it did

45:13

you see that they were like you

45:16

know 80s BBC style

45:18

yeah yeah and it was a silhouette and everyone's like Bob Mortimer

45:21

like no it's fucking clearly

45:22

and it's just another bold man anyway

45:24

of all people Bob more well everyone's like not

45:27

Bob Morton was like

45:28

gonna break your heart even more to be honest and

45:30

then I saw really fat back up a

45:32

little bit later so don't forget I

45:35

went in 1920 they marry

45:38

so like she was your

45:40

poor old Harlem was dead in March

45:42

of 1919 and then 1920 she got

45:45

married again oh my god

45:48

so she she also

45:50

at the same time told everyone

45:52

in town they shouldn't really love him and she's not that bothered

45:54

about him but still married him but what she

45:56

is bothered about is getting an insurance policy

45:59

with 10

45:59

£10,000 he dies,

46:02

which is obviously a sizeable amount. And

46:05

then by September the 7th,

46:08

he was dead. No. Yeah.

46:10

Like, I mean, it's awful. Is it typhoid again?

46:13

This is on his death certificate, typhoid.

46:15

Now, didn't she say she was a carrier of typhoid?

46:18

Oh really, like typhoid Mary. So

46:20

like a near beach melba. Can I be honest, that

46:23

typhoid Mary is one of the few things

46:25

that makes me feel actually physically sick. Have

46:27

you listened to like a deep dive on it? I've got quite a lot

46:29

of sympathy for her.

46:31

Yeah, but she was told don't go on

46:33

working.

46:34

I mean, I think it was terrible that she was locked up for the

46:36

internet. Yeah. Oh

46:39

God, she'd be a great live show. Should we do typhoid Mary?

46:41

Typhoid Mary. Christmas. Oh,

46:43

a lovely Christmas. Oh, Merry Christmas.

46:46

It's typhoid Mary. It's not Christmas without

46:48

typhoid Mary, is it? Also,

46:51

I'm sure I'm following this. My gran used

46:53

to call me typhoid Mary if you were

46:55

slightly ill. Oh,

46:58

go on typhoid Mary. Go over

47:00

there. I

47:02

actually really hate people who are like, are you ill? Get

47:05

away from me. I really hate that behaviour. Yeah.

47:07

Oh, don't make me ill. Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, you're

47:09

like, shut up, you fucking baby. It's so annoying,

47:11

isn't it? Yeah, although, you know. I'm the most important

47:13

thing here. Don't make me ill. If you are

47:15

immune compromised, obviously we're not talking

47:18

about you. But of course we're not talking about you. So I just don't

47:20

want anyone to feel victimised and obviously

47:22

we're talking about the pricks that do

47:24

that. Also, ill people have sensitive

47:27

humour too, you know. I know that, but I just don't want

47:29

anyone to, you know. We could be brightening someone's

47:31

day, yeah. They're lying in bed. Look

47:33

at us. Outreach. You know, they've

47:36

been in bed for six months. They're in us, brighten the

47:38

day.

47:38

I reckon

47:39

we've made people walk again.

47:43

Did you get up and turn off that fucking

47:45

shit that's just come on? They're

47:47

not fucking women, are they? Get

47:49

to the point.

47:54

Oh, it's just coughing, high five, Mary.

47:58

Anyways, this is where... all kicks off.

48:00

So yeah, the locals are gossiping about

48:03

her. They're like, hold on, her husband

48:05

keeps dying and really fast. There's

48:07

been a lot. Yeah. And also they probably even know about,

48:10

they don't know about the other ones. Yeah. So

48:13

it was a local, his name was Earl R.

48:16

Doolay. No relation. No relation. Lots of

48:18

dulis. He was, he was a county

48:20

chemist. Chemist in Idaho.

48:23

In Idaho. Yeah. And he was like, there's something

48:25

going on here that's not right. And

48:27

he was like, yes, he looked really ill just

48:30

before he died. There's something wrong. There's a confident rich

48:32

woman knocking about. Yeah. Something's not

48:34

right. Down a peg or two. I'm going

48:36

to devote all my extra time to this. You know,

48:38

I bought a book at this

48:40

little secondhand bookshop the other day

48:42

and it was based around rural Lincolnshire, but it was all

48:44

women from the 30s to the 60s talking

48:46

about basically sex,

48:49

death, marriage, everything and like superstitions

48:52

that they, yeah. And I'm looking to it and some

48:54

of it's like, you know, it's quite amusing, but quite sad

48:56

at the same time. But there's one recollection

48:58

that was like, oh,

49:00

he said that if a woman whistles,

49:02

then that would bring death upon the house. We

49:04

weren't even allowed to whistle,

49:06

to hold a tune. We're not even allowed.

49:09

Can't even call a dog from two fields

49:11

away. We could not do anything.

49:14

And you know what? People would still have it like that. Yeah, absolutely.

49:16

They would still have it. Oh, do I have two women

49:19

doing a podcast? Is that a ruin the crop?

49:21

You know, you just reading something and

49:25

you're just like,

49:27

this wasn't even that long ago and I want to throw

49:29

the book into the bloody river because it's

49:31

making me so cross. But carry on. What

49:34

we're talking about. Oh yeah. So this chemist

49:36

sort of dedicates a big portion of his free

49:39

time, his everything time solving

49:41

this mystery because he was like, he looked really

49:43

unwell before he passed his own. I remember seeing him outside

49:45

the ranch and he was leaning up against something and he was gray

49:48

and pallid and looked like he was going to die.

49:50

So he was sick before he died, but he was like, hold

49:52

on a second. He

49:53

jumps in the car, goes to the ranch and

49:55

takes a scraping of the sand where

49:57

he was and tests it. And

49:59

then.

49:59

Oh, that's good. It is, isn't it? But also

50:02

like,

50:02

fuck off. Go and scrape your own shit. I

50:05

saw

50:05

him like, rubbing around outside my house. I'd

50:07

be like, piss off.

50:10

Did I tell you about that woman?

50:12

No.

50:13

So you know I've got like a driveway. Because I've been on a farm. We've

50:16

got to drive through the fields. Talk about the

50:18

woman who was walking on. There's a footpath there. And

50:20

I'm like, speeding down to get something.

50:23

Maybe even to do something. Like, I'm, oh,

50:25

it's swapped out shop. So I'm like, setting off at 7

50:27

o'clock in the morning. I'm speeding down. She's walking

50:29

down the lane. I pulled over and I'm like, oh, you lost?

50:32

Which is my passive aggressive way of saying, you're not meant to be here.

50:34

Can I help? Because I wasn't expecting to see someone.

50:36

I'm like, shit. And she was like,

50:39

no, I'm not. I said, oh, well, just so you know, the footpath

50:41

ends back there. And

50:43

she was like,

50:43

yeah, I know it does. And

50:45

then she said, I can't tell this

50:48

story. I'll tell you the story afterwards. Because she

50:50

goes, I said, oh, well, you need

50:52

to use the footpath because this bit isn't for people to

50:54

walk along. And she went,

50:56

she was like, I think we should be like, I don't think there's no

50:58

property. I think we should be allowed to walk everywhere. I was like, that's

51:01

fine. But I also think that I should be entitled to privacy.

51:03

Anyway, I feel fucking brilliant. Got

51:05

her to apologize to me by the end of it. And

51:08

finally, she lives in the local caravan. So I'm going to shop her for

51:10

not paying her council tax. Anyway,

51:13

don't take me on because I will get obsessed about it. So

51:16

he takes these scrapings of

51:18

the sand, tests it. It's got arsenic

51:21

in it. So he goes,

51:23

he's like, maybe I'm wrong. And he goes to a physician

51:25

in another town called Edwin F. Rosenbach.

51:29

The Idaho State chemist, he tests it as

51:31

well. And it's like, there's definitely arsenic in this area

51:34

that he was stood on. So they go

51:36

to the district attorney.

51:39

And they do it all in secret. They test it and go, we think

51:41

there's a murder case here. So they secretly get a warrant

51:44

for her arrest to do a surprise home arrest.

51:46

Surprise. She's gone. That's the surprise.

51:48

She's gone. But they also exume her

51:51

husband, former husband, her

51:54

brother-in-law and her daughter. And they found traces

51:56

of arsenic in all of them. So

51:58

that time, they were like, right. Well, we've got it's

52:01

his name is the state attorney is Frank

52:03

I Stephen and he's like right Let's get a proper

52:06

case going so they assume all these bodies now

52:08

in this time. She has moved to California

52:11

Yes, so you just jumped a couple of states and that's

52:13

how you could do it back then and she marries Paul

52:16

Southern Okay. Yes, she

52:19

Says to him. Do you know what? You

52:22

should get some life insurance

52:24

and he's like no I'm already covered because I'm in the

52:26

military because he was a Navy Petty

52:28

officer, but she was like yeah,

52:30

he's like no I'm already covered. I don't need anymore And and

52:33

I think he was getting a bit suspicious about there

52:36

was something not right. They were posted.

52:38

He was posted to Hawaii and

52:42

This is where well, they track

52:44

it down. Yeah, they track it down to Hawaii now

52:47

She returns to Idaho to

52:50

face murder charges So it's May

52:52

13th 1921 when they go to Hawaii

52:54

and they find her there and they go to a husband

52:57

and say listen Have you she tried to get a

52:59

life insurance for it? She said yeah, but that's fine and

53:01

everyone will look all these people in her

53:03

life She got life insurance policies and they're now dead

53:05

and he's like, bye. Bye. No, he's

53:08

not having air She said she said

53:10

well She's been a mighty fine wife to me and

53:12

then he said she could have had married She could

53:15

have married ten men before me, but that wouldn't

53:17

make her a murderer still making

53:19

it a feminine. Yeah A little

53:21

murderous so he stuck up for I thought it was the

53:23

opposite I thought he was like until obviously

53:26

right like it goes to court But she

53:28

said she plays it and she's like yes fine

53:30

take me to court I'm happy to play

53:32

like to see how this plays out these charges because they're ridiculous

53:35

and that's how she does it She was like, yeah charge me

53:37

with what you want. This is

53:38

this is like a kangaroo court is made up

53:41

The she pleased not guilty Unfortunately

53:44

for her the life insurance policies was the hard evidence

53:47

Yes, because that up until then they

53:49

didn't have motive They were like, well, we know there's arsenic

53:51

poisoning here But we don't know what the motive is and

53:53

then they find out all these massive deposits. So

53:56

October 3rd 1921 back in Swinford

54:00

the trial starts. Now the trial is

54:03

mainly based on the technical difference between

54:05

a death via arsenic

54:07

and a death via typhoid and which one would

54:09

have occurred first and how each one

54:11

would have happened and her main evidence was

54:14

well there's death certificates here saying typhoid

54:17

influenza you know gastroenteritis

54:19

so you're now what debunking

54:21

these death certificates so that was her evidence

54:24

was the death certificates that said they haven't died

54:26

of arsenic poisoning and so she was using

54:29

that but but they were like yeah

54:31

but they're all dead and you did all you

54:33

did poison them all. You are the common denominator.

54:36

Yeah so November the 4th 1921 the

54:39

jury go away to deliberate six-week trial

54:42

which a long time from then I think. There's a lot of murders to get

54:44

through. Yeah. So she is considering

54:46

all this and they've spent 23 hours

54:49

discussing it all and she's found guilty

54:51

of second-degree murder she's only found guilty

54:53

of she's only been tried for her last husband's

54:55

murder so she only gets 10 years. 10 years

54:58

to life but as

55:00

we see she goes to Old Idaho

55:03

State Penitentiary. Mm-hmm. Sounds charming.

55:05

Doesn't it? But she

55:07

serves a lot of time

55:09

but she escapes. Oh yeah.

55:11

May 4th. May 4th 1931. She's

55:14

having an affair with one of the prison

55:16

guards of course she is of course she

55:18

is and this prison guard gets her

55:20

a source as you can saw through how do they

55:22

not hear that? Saw through the bank. I know how they don't

55:24

hear it I found this out so she

55:27

saw through the bar so you remove the bar and everyone's

55:29

in on it so that she's like can you tonight

55:32

just really play your record and sing

55:34

and so they must have been like they're in fine fuddle tonight

55:36

everyone is having an absolute blast and she

55:39

is so you can't hear her soaring through. Oh wow.

55:41

So not only is she having an affair with

55:43

a what's it called like a prison guard. Yeah who actually died

55:46

a few weeks before she is she

55:48

escapes. I love story.

55:51

She also has some kind of relationship

55:53

with one of the male prisoners. I don't know how they even

55:56

met each other or saw each other or so

55:58

he she goes over to the wall.

55:59

He's put a makeshift ladder

56:02

over it that she climbs up and then escapes

56:05

and as she gets in his car And he drives

56:07

her away, and then she was like right stop here. I'm done

56:09

with you Yeah, he thinks oh brilliant. We're gonna be together

56:11

now. Yeah, and then she's like actually done

56:13

with you not interested He'd only been out of this is

56:15

David Minton his name is he'd only been out of prison

56:18

on parole for three weeks

56:20

And broke it for her he used to send throw

56:22

love letters over the wall to her apparently Hey

56:26

She goes to Denver to Pika in

56:28

Denver doesn't she there's a national search

56:30

obviously for these well She meets someone in the meantime

56:33

Henry is it Whitaker. I can't read my

56:35

own writing I don't know I didn't write this one down

56:37

because you had it I didn't know Henry

56:40

Whitlock Sorry, mm-hmm Harry now.

56:42

She works as a housekeeper for a chap called Harry Whitlock

56:45

and becomes his wife She has got

56:47

something about what is going on me? so

56:51

he and assist in her

56:53

arrest in the end because he Well,

56:56

he finds out doesn't that she's yeah

56:58

been poisoning her husband and In 1952

57:00

well It's also

57:02

David Minton is so heartbroken that she

57:05

gets into build a ladder and then goes driving

57:07

here Okay, see ya that when the police

57:10

catch up with him, which isn't long. Oh, he's

57:12

happy to speak Yeah into Pika about 28

57:14

days after the the breakout. He was like

57:17

oh, yeah Well, actually he was telling everyone

57:19

wasn't it cuz he had an alcohol problem Yeah,

57:21

apparently was going around all the bars go. I can't

57:23

believe she's done this to me. I can't believe

57:25

she's done this I'll tell you where she is. Yeah, and then

57:27

for the police here about it and go I mean it's a

57:30

lot of the work done for them by chemist and

57:32

an alcoholic would look like Now

57:34

they find they go find her she has changed

57:37

her appearance She had brown hair and her

57:39

hair is now dyed black and her two front teeth

57:41

are now gold amazing Not

57:45

drawing attention to yourself and apparently when the police

57:47

turn up to arrest her she went she goes You know

57:49

like grins is it like new look is that I did expect

57:51

to be caught Like how

57:53

much difference between cold teeth gonna make

57:55

so um

57:57

her husband at times that I had no idea

57:59

she's a

57:59

model wife to me, whatever that

58:02

means.

58:03

But now you mentioned it, she did massively

58:06

push me getting an insurance policy.

58:08

Yeah, I didn't really understand why. Yeah.

58:11

Now she gets locked away again, and is

58:13

the result of it's the word

58:15

of the episode expose. In 1933, there's

58:19

an expose done on the prison that

58:21

she goes to and they find out that the

58:23

warden who goes on to resign

58:26

as a role, his name is George Rudd. He

58:28

had been allowing her to visit her sick

58:30

mother, go to the cinema, go to the cinema.

58:33

He was providing a car for to have days out,

58:35

she would go to a local resort. She also

58:37

would go out for at least five hours at a time

58:40

unattended.

58:40

Absolutely wild.

58:42

Like she's going on a holiday, she's going to cinema, she's getting her own car

58:45

like, I don't get that and I've not murdered

58:47

husbands. It's mad, isn't it? Yeah. We

58:50

get excited when we get a car. Yeah, when they're like,

58:52

you're sending a car? Yeah, when they put

58:54

you for a telly thing like, what, where should we send the car to?

58:56

And you're like, and I was like, Oh, great, I can

58:58

get travel sick before I get there. Number one

59:00

fancy pants please. So yeah,

59:02

this is, it all comes out in the press that

59:04

she's getting this favorable treatment from this warden

59:07

who ends up as unbelievable. That was bad. I

59:09

shouldn't have done that and stepping down.

59:11

What is it? How does she do this? I think she's got a

59:13

magic fanny.

59:17

Fucking hell.

59:18

She gets pardoned though. That's the insane thing.

59:21

She is pardoned and released.

59:24

The woman is released and she

59:26

just goes and lives a bit of a normal life, doesn't she? Yeah.

59:29

Normal life, starting about and

59:31

in 1958, which is always weird when someone's born

59:37

in the Victorian times, but then they span

59:39

so long. 1958. Imagine being a Victorian and seeing the

59:42

start of the 60s, she'd be like, what the fuck

59:44

is going on here? Oh my God. Brain

59:48

boiling experience. Those

59:50

women screaming at those four men.

59:54

She's carrying a shopping back from the,

59:58

the ouster.

59:59

The Walmart, the Walmart,

1:00:02

the Piggly Wiggler and

1:00:04

the Piggly Wiggler. What's that?

1:00:06

It's like a chain of stores in Southern

1:00:08

States. Is it? The Piggly Wiggly,

1:00:10

yeah.

1:00:11

Very cute. First one was in Memphis.

1:00:14

I went to the car park where it was and had

1:00:16

a picture of the song. I don't know if it was

1:00:18

a long time ago. Anyway,

1:00:21

can't fucking picture of anything like that. Yeah, really,

1:00:23

your idea of a day out, the bar's fucking

1:00:25

low, mate. A Viking

1:00:27

reenactment in Lincoln or a picture of

1:00:30

a now shut supermarket in Memphis. These

1:00:32

are the things that I enjoy, right? She's

1:00:35

carrying the shopping bag and she has a massive heart attack

1:00:37

and dies. And that's easy. And

1:00:40

she's buried in Sunset Manor Park in

1:00:43

Idaho

1:00:44

near some of the victims. They

1:00:47

tested her as well, didn't they? Yes, they tested

1:00:49

her full of arsenic. Full

1:00:51

of arsenic.

1:00:53

Because of all the poisoning and the company's contact with

1:00:55

it. It reminds me of that bit. It reminds me of, you know, I

1:00:57

don't know if this works with arsenic. I assume it just builds. But

1:00:59

like, you know, Rasputin did that, like

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almost microdosing. Oh, yeah. It couldn't be poisoned.

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So maybe she's like immune to it. I don't think

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that's how arsenic works. Well, really, she's been around

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influenza, allegedly

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typhoid. She's been around a lot of

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illnesses and she's not really picked anything. I don't know,

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as far as we know, she's not picked anything up herself.

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That's true.

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Maybe she was microdosing with arsenic. Fair play to her.

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Everyone's microdosing now, aren't they? Oh, God, I find it really... It

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really is the boring conversation now, isn't it? Yeah, and be like, sorry, I'm microdosing. Sorry,

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I don't care. Yeah, no one's interested, mate. No one

1:01:27

cares. Thanks for listening. That

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was her. That's Lidder. Lidder. Lidder.

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Sorry. Lidder. True

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blood slash severed. There will be... Next

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episode will be Christmas. Be a Christmas spirit. I'm

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sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1:01:43

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

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sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

1:01:49

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. Be a Christmas spash, guys.

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Oh, yeah.

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Thanks for listening

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and thanks for being so nice about seeing

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us on YouTube. You're right, we are fit.

1:02:07

You are right.

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And we'll see you at Christmas

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where we're gonna be maybe making an all-killer filler

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grotto.

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Oh I'd love that. Really

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nice. Yeah. Is

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that it? See ya. Bye!

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you