0:18

If you're happy and you know 98 clap your hands,

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there we go. 98. Off we go.

0:24

Welcome to edition ninety eight of all Killa

0:26

and I'll Filla podcast with me, Rachel Fairburn, and Kiri

0:29

Preets Happe claim. Just before we start,

0:31

we'll do our usual disclaimer. This isn't

0:33

here our worship. We do this podcast because

0:35

we have mutual interested serial Killa. And

0:37

once we are doing this podcast, it stops us

0:39

from writing to them in prison.

0:41

Yes. What are we episode what? Ninety

0:43

eight. Ninety eight. We're gonna have to do something

0:45

special for a hundred. Yeah. Suggestions,

0:48

please. Suggestions, please.

0:50

Yeah. 98 something that's multiple parts because,

0:52

you know, I figured out the other 98. Because

0:55

not only does it take our toll on this, you know, because

0:57

we now pay someone to edit the

0:58

podcast. Yeah. I think it 98 us like a thousand

1:00

pounds to do that for a dog. Dog. Dog.

1:03

98

1:03

what I was at. Oh, it's a shit

1:05

business. Do

1:08

you know what I would think as well? So before we

1:10

start recording, to sync the audio,

1:12

we go, if you're happy, you know, clap your hands and

1:14

clap your hands. And I've realized one of the things

1:16

I hate about myself is I can't

1:18

just go, if you're happy, you know, clop bands, I have to

1:20

try and sing it a bit because I

1:23

want to be a good singer. And you know what it reminds

1:25

me of? You know, some heights high.

1:27

Oh, yeah. talks about being kidding. He's like, mom,

1:31

And it's like, I'm the kind of person. And when you sing

1:34

happy birthday, I am still

1:36

trying to make it sound good. I don't try and do,

1:38

like, 98 I don't harmony as a joke, but

1:40

I can't just go happy birthday 98.

1:43

I will be like, I will I'm not gonna do it, but

1:45

I will try and sing well. And I think

1:47

that's I think that's a nice embarrassing. That's

1:49

nice. If you can if you can hold a tune, why

1:51

not? 98 I can't. You

1:54

can't. You can

1:54

hold a tune. You're alright. I hold a tune.

1:56

Yeah. Yeah. I suppose.

1:58

Yeah. Yeah. I suppose. This

1:59

is me you're talking to, remember. 98,

2:02

Tom deaf. And God made

2:04

a clause as well as Nightingales. You're not

2:06

Tom deaf. 98 I wouldn't say you

2:08

you are surprisingly about it singing for someone

2:10

as good looking as

2:11

you. Hey,

2:11

I 98 fucking sing. He's terrible. 98

2:14

think you can swagger around like you

2:16

can sing. So, you know, 98 a lot of

2:18

it. I could perform the song. I couldn't

2:20

I couldn't

2:20

you wouldn't know what you're singing now. You

2:23

were No. You were great when you did a musical

2:25

and you did the artful dodger. You were

2:27

brilliant. I thought it was a long

2:29

time ago. That one. It was.

2:31

Yeah. Many a different life ago.

2:33

Many moons. Pre

2:35

98. Happy New Year as well.

2:38

Oh, shit. Is it new? Oh, fuck. Is this over the first

2:40

one? No. We've 98 it. We were doing over

2:42

over the fucking New Year. Child months and took

2:44

us out to

2:45

God. Yes. We did. We

2:47

did. 98 it back now. Apologize.

2:50

I can't I am sorry after I I 98

2:52

heard somebody when I worked at the library. I

2:54

was standing in the public area. And

2:57

it was March and someone came in and hooked somebody

2:59

and

2:59

went, happy new year.

3:01

They must be GI 98

3:03

the coma as it goes. Yeah. There

3:05

was no joke. With 98. I meant it.

3:07

Do you know what I feel like? Happy New Year

3:09

saying it after a certain point is probably one of

3:11

those things that I'll say it Catholics. Have

3:14

appropriate to be like, oh, it's really bad luck

3:16

if it's after the blah old date,

3:18

you know, like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You

3:20

know, saying bless you and all that kind of stuff. You

3:22

It's like a dialogue for this hire. Oh, yeah.

3:24

Absolutely. And and they're

3:26

not sing. And they're not sing 98, of

3:28

course,

3:29

very good answers. We this was

3:31

98 we wanted to do an Irish one.

3:33

It's speaking of Should we say 98? Could

3:36

we pin that 98? I think could pin that one.

3:38

I mean, it'd be nice if we took a shoulder,

3:40

wouldn't

3:40

it? We 98 a lovely hint. Yeah. Can you imagine?

3:43

Because we're not been there since

3:44

the pandemic. It was literally one of the last things

3:46

we did before the pandemic.

3:47

It was it was plenty of crackers

3:50

they say. Yeah. 98. And

3:52

that wasn't just our costumes.

3:56

They were fucking fun to show. It's

3:58

really

3:58

98 to show. Yeah. And

4:00

where I discovered my favorite television

4:03

program and the television program

4:05

I have the ambition to

4:06

host, of course, was 98 night in a

4:08

hotel. What? 98 you remember you haven't played about

4:10

your hotel?

4:11

98 did. It was so nice, and

4:13

and you got you got your money back, Firefox. I

4:15

did. Do you know what? In fact, you've just reminded me

4:17

what was the TV show? I 98 the Tommy beforehand.

4:20

That was it. I

4:22

thought of that hotel recently because I was

4:24

in Bermingham on my tour the

4:26

other night and I ended up

4:28

having to stay over. Because

4:30

of the trains and I 98 in

4:32

the Leonardo 98, which

4:34

we we booked before, which used to be

4:36

tourism. She's not sponsored conversations.

4:38

She's just in a fashion. And, you know,

4:40

it's a really nice 98, very

4:42

reasonably priced. And when I got there,

4:44

because I checked in after the show, I

4:47

got into the room and I went into the

4:49

room which was lovely. The

4:51

room next to me in the room across the

4:53

corridor from me was clearly like

4:55

people getting ready for a night out and they're

4:57

playing 98 of music and they were drinking

4:59

and it was, you know, laughing and 98. Having

5:01

fun. And this was 98, like, Quarter

5:03

plus nine. So I walked into the room and

5:05

I just went, no. I walked into

5:07

reception. And I said I

5:09

said, look, you you put me on the industry and I

5:11

said, the room's up next and opposite. You're

5:13

getting ready for 98 out. It's a bit noisy and

5:15

she went, oh, you want me to get in to just be quiet. I

5:17

went, absolutely not. Can you move

5:19

me? It's like, I have

5:21

not been that drunk on a Friday night.

5:24

No. It's cost plus nine. Do you 98

5:26

keep it down? I'm

5:28

like, can you move me? Let

5:30

them carry

5:30

on. Oh, they gave me a wonderful room around

5:32

the little corner. Silent.

5:35

Absolutely fantastic. I don't think

5:37

I would it would take an awful

5:39

lot for me to I've never complained about

5:41

a hotel room. Things that I

5:43

found in a hotel room pissing the toilet when

5:45

I checked. Oh, god. Half

5:47

drunk water bottle in the

5:49

room. Oh, don't. I

5:50

don't want evidence of other people. Oh,

5:52

yeah. No. So much stuff. Oh, a complete a

5:54

big chunk of the plaster on the wall missing from

5:56

a leak from the roof, like a

5:58

black 98. 98 that

6:00

went from the top of the ceiling to the bottom

6:03

98 the floor and all the plaster was

6:05

missing. Mhmm. What

6:07

else have I had you know, it's it's the

6:09

one thing now that because

6:11

we travel so much, and

6:14

we're away from home so often. I

6:16

never book If I can get a

6:18

nice hotel at a good price, I always will.

6:21

I always go for

6:23

a reliable chain. You're

6:25

premier in. Your Leonardo, you

6:28

know, that fact,

6:30

you know it's gonna be clean, you

6:33

know what you get in. Yeah.

6:35

Sorry to be on it, Henry, but I fucking

6:37

love a Premier Inn. They're brilliant. I

6:39

can't say which other one I like as

6:40

well, which I think is lower mid range.

6:43

And very cheap every now then. hotels.

6:46

Oh, I don't know what I don't know what they are. They're like

6:48

the leisure 98.

6:50

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Other they have

6:52

they all have gyms anyway. I touch them.

6:54

But if you some stuff, they put you up in Glasgow

6:56

in one that's next to the 98

6:58

and they can 98 there. Yeah.

7:01

Yeah. And it's got it's a bit funky inside.

7:03

Oh, just isn't it? Yeah. I

7:05

love a village hotel. There you go. To the

7:07

point where it's one of the few things that I'm

7:09

I allow the 98 to reach

7:11

me. Oh, really? I

7:14

think, oh, every 98.

7:15

On the day in express, I do like as

7:17

well. Oh, really? Oh, I know.

7:19

I always think there's building work going on in

7:21

their receptions. The look,

7:23

like, 98.

7:27

Also, don't find an Ibis

7:30

on occasion. I

7:32

on occasion,

7:33

though. Yes. I have 98 Oh,

7:35

also I stayed in that. Do you remember I stayed in that hotel

7:37

98 I talked about that in Cardiff where the

7:39

toilet was broken to you? They were like, you can weigh in

7:41

it, but you can't on a fluff. Oh, you are

7:43

joking. No. And

7:45

I I had to piss in the shower because

7:47

I was like, I can't poo I can't

7:49

wait on top of someone else's poo. Which

7:51

98 what it was at. Sorry. And I stood in what was

7:54

leaking 98 toilet. Sorry. Why

7:57

would they let 98 stay in there?

7:59

Because it was forty pounds on Valentine's

8:01

Day.

8:01

98? Sure. That's fine. How 98? You

8:04

you were known? Yeah. Of course, I was.

8:06

And I was almost definitely being filmed. I slept

8:08

98 my cart. It's because I was, like, sure of

8:10

it. I've stayed in. These are all things that you do

8:12

on the way open comedy. And now I see I

8:14

did an open spot, and that's I'm sure I've told the story

8:16

before. Degley emailed me when I was

8:18

on the train back the next day because I had to get the train

8:20

back at five to be in work saying,

8:23

like so before I got off the train at, like,

8:25

ten, they were like, come do weekends. We

8:27

we love

8:27

you. And I was like, it was all worth

8:30

it. Yeah. It's very difficult,

8:32

isn't it? Like, some

8:34

of the some of the journeys we do,

8:36

like, go to London to do ten

8:38

minutes for no wonder. And then I've got 98 you get

8:40

the megabulls back home at

8:42

98, and I've got straighten a work he got 98- Yeah.

8:44

-- seven. It got back at yeah.

8:46

Exactly. The one I used to get is to get back

8:48

between four and five. So 98, like, almost wasn't

8:50

enough time to go home and undo

8:52

anything so you maybe you could shower and then you go

8:54

back out

8:54

again. God, I got that fucking megabits so much. You

8:57

know what? When I look back

8:59

to to those days. That's why.

9:01

If someone said to me, you've got to start comedy from

9:03

the very beginning. If I out as much

9:05

as I love it, I'd be like, no. Thank you. I

9:07

will stay here at this library. Until I

9:08

die. I

9:10

do think there's some people who don't do it that way.

9:12

There's not like a wrong or right way to do it,

9:14

and I

9:14

think you can tell me that you're 98 a very

9:17

good Right.

9:19

Let's move on. This

9:21

is a we're looking at 98 decide to do an Irish show

9:23

a Killa. By the way, you've only really got

9:25

one. And his nickname is the

9:27

secret serial killer. Yeah.

9:29

I've got

9:29

bomb. Like a secret Santa.

9:32

Yeah. Well, actually Santa popped

9:34

up as shodie card. Point

9:36

two

9:36

seven. Makes an appearance. 98 is

9:39

Karen 98 a more

9:41

Irish name you could not

9:42

get. No. 98.

9:48

98 so such a gorgeous Irish name.

9:50

So he was

9:53

born in 98

9:54

Leish. What was his year of birth? I

9:55

don't think I've got that. Oh, I

9:57

think it's is it like nineteen fifty 98.

10:00

That's all about it. Oh, no.

10:00

But if he's just been 98 in the thirties

10:02

because or four is because he moved to Oh, yeah.

10:05

No. So he came to London in in fifty

10:07

two. Yes. A poll when it

10:09

encapsulates 98 was looking for manual

10:11

labor, but he was five

10:13

foot seven away less than ten stones.

10:15

So it wasn't very desirable for

10:17

98 industry. So he moved over to

10:19

England to London with his

10:20

friend, Christie 98, when he was

10:23

twenty five years old. Now we did have a

10:25

nickname, didn't it? Oh,

10:27

yes. So they because he had you see,

10:29

pictures of 98 is quite a haunting

10:31

kind of figure. It's very, very 98,

10:33

but he's got quite a prominent

10:35

I think he looks like what kind of

10:37

like what olive oil would look like if she

10:40

was real. Oh my god. Yes.

10:42

Yeah. And 98, yes, it's a great

10:44

presumption. Prominent nose.

10:46

And his nickname was Killa, which

10:49

for diving such like, it's

10:51

it's just about his physical appearance, but

10:53

there's no way that you're not thinking he's also into

10:55

98. Exactly. Yeah.

10:58

Oh, he was I've got his date of birth. It was sixteenth

11:00

of March nineteen

11:00

thirty. The website I won is, like, 98, pisces.

11:03

I don't know what book 98 that

11:05

one year. Just in case you want to be comfortable.

11:08

So sixty. That's

11:10

the day for Saint Patrick's 98, and

11:13

then It is. Yeah. Well

11:13

remembered. Yeah. This

11:15

jumps all over the place, and there's

11:17

not a lot of magic. Sorry.

11:20

It's magic. Wasn't

11:22

he? Was he welsh? Well, listen,

11:25

the welsh's thing I've done in a while is to

11:27

claim everyone with any rights or 98 you're

11:29

right? Jesus Christ wasn't he welsh. God.

11:34

I don't think he was welsh actually.

11:36

Mhmm. I say Patrick

11:38

there's it's one of those things like

11:40

Saint George's Turkish or whatever it is

11:42

in

11:42

it. Well, can I say that there

11:45

we sound said David, our

11:47

saint 98 the only one who's a

11:49

saint of where he was born?

11:51

Oh, man. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So

11:53

he was certainly born in the west of Britain.

11:55

Just fucking say whale.

11:58

And yeah.

12:00

The English would have certainly classified him as

12:02

well. She's what I found. Oh my god.

12:04

I can't believe we beat the snakes out of

12:06

Ireland. That 98 Well,

12:08

maybe that makes sense for when we we

12:11

fought on the side of the bridge. With a

12:13

horrible loss. I mean, none of this

12:15

fucking shit happened. Did it? I don't know. Yeah.

12:17

But I think that, like, feasibly, there's

12:19

not that many

12:20

snakes. Right? So I think that's Foy as

12:22

a graft. You vanish one snake.

12:25

You become the same.

12:27

What I've told we 98 about this before how

12:30

no

12:30

offense, shit the miracle is

12:32

that said David did. 98 we?

12:34

What was his miracle? Rachel 98. It's

12:36

embarrassing. I'm 98 there. So he's

12:38

giving a sermon type thing.

12:40

He's giving a speech. And some people are like,

12:42

we can't see you. So

12:44

the ground raise is a little higher.

12:46

Alright. Okay. He goes

12:49

on his tip toes. That's what happens when he wakes

12:51

up and whales. That makes 98 the same.

12:53

That's amazing. I love it.

12:56

Eleven. 98 can't see you, so he moved

12:58

a bit. We can see you now. That

13:00

seems beautiful. You're the one like, you

13:02

know, sent snakes away. What

13:04

did George slide a dragon dragon? Andrew

13:06

do. Andrew like his mother.

13:08

Kids? I'm sorry. Andrew.

13:11

So, Andrew, no.

13:13

Listen, I'm terrible with patience saying it's

13:15

like I've I've got a

13:16

98. All those years, it counts it's gonna, like,

13:18

got a fucking throat. Okay. Let's have a look.

13:23

What? Let's see. Okay.

13:25

Okay. So he was being he

13:27

was basically put on the crucifix, but was like,

13:29

I'm not worthy to be on that

13:32

shape. So we went on it, like,

13:34

sideways, like an x, like a 98. Salt

13:37

98. Sorry. You know, the black on

13:39

98 black. Scott is black. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

13:42

that's interesting. Yeah. And

13:44

he was basically his quest for knowledge

13:47

and daring led him to pick up the

13:49

first 98 at Saipon to be called

13:51

by Jesus

13:51

Christ. No working trying to do.

13:53

Yeah. Yeah. Working alright,

13:56

Joel. Very interesting 98 to check

13:58

up. So I was trying Australian.

14:00

98

14:02

so back to Killa

14:05

Pajajuk. So yeah. So this does jump all

14:07

over the place because there's not much information.

14:09

That this information, but it it's sporadic and

14:11

it's I'd say slightly unreliable

14:13

in some places. There is a podcast

14:16

about this that you can listen to, and I'm so

14:18

sorry to say this. I found

14:20

it. You're not gonna say it. You're not gonna say it. 98 wasn't

14:22

for

14:22

me. There we go. Right?

14:25

That's what I say. It wasn't for me. I

14:27

98 with it. Mhmm. That that SAAR

14:29

say. Now what we what we will

14:31

say is that he he got

14:33

married in nineteen sixty

14:36

one. Kieran Marius, we

14:38

just teach us as an Irish woman that he met

14:40

in London in

14:42

nineteen

14:42

sixty. They have a few children.

14:44

I mean,

14:45

nineteen sixty four, if you fall, Susan. Now

14:47

by this 98 just say about this? He was

14:49

actually married twice. Oh, so

14:51

he's married yeah. He was married once

14:53

in Ireland. And once in London.

14:55

Oh. And he had children from

14:57

both marriages who

14:59

are very likely alive

15:01

today, but we don't we don't know much

15:03

or about them. 98. Mhmm.

15:06

He, by this point, has

15:08

descended into addiction. Is addicted

15:11

to drugs is very much an

15:13

alcoholic. Mhmm. And

15:15

he's it becomes homeless.

15:17

He's rocking around areas in

15:19

London, Braxton, Bricksdon, sorry,

15:21

clapham, and Campbell well. He's very

15:23

popular in the homeless community 98 he's

15:25

a petty thief as well. He steals

15:27

from shops, 98 he shares.

15:30

The items he steals with his friends. He

15:32

likes to keep warming the underground stations

15:34

because they weren't as well

15:37

police as they are now. So

15:39

he managed to keep warming those overnight.

15:42

98 was in and out of prison often.

15:44

He he went into Broadmoor as well

15:46

for a 98. Because he broke

15:48

into a house and threatened a woman. He was with

15:50

a a fellow 98 when

15:53

he did this. And they broke in front of

15:55

the toilet. And when he was assessed, 98 be like,

15:57

oh, this man's clearly very mentally

16:00

unwell. I'm gonna put him in broadmoor. I

16:02

think he was in there for about a year. Okay.

16:04

He's regular in and out of prisons. Mhmm.

16:07

And he's well known to

16:09

the police and the

16:11

prison

16:12

98. Everything's a community in it.

16:13

So if we

16:16

go back, wait, we should go back

16:18

a little bit here because the

16:21

first incident that we know of

16:24

or that he says that he did,

16:26

the first murder that he says

16:28

he does. Is 98

16:30

Smith, his friend that he moved

16:32

over from Ireland with in nine

16:34

103. 98 important to say

16:36

at this point, right, that fight that you find out is that

16:38

there's kind of no proof

16:41

that 98 Smith ever existed.

16:43

No. There's no evidence of this man. There's no evidence

16:45

of the incident, and there's no evidence

16:47

of the person. And there was

16:49

witnesses because

16:52

Kieran and 98

16:55

were in the tube station with

16:57

two sex workers. When this

16:59

crime was committed. But I do imagine that

17:01

if a spoiler alert did witness

17:03

a murder, they wouldn't be like, we're gonna go to

17:05

the police so we have a great relationship with.

17:09

And we're going to report

17:11

that that really scary guy that we see all the

17:13

time has murdered someone and we are the witnesses

17:15

for So I don't think there being

17:17

any witnesses would have necessarily impacted

17:19

on the fact that it wasn't

17:21

reported. Do you know what I mean? Well, this is the

17:23

queen's coronation the day the Quake's

17:25

coronation. Are you excited about

17:28

our our Queen and Saver's

17:30

coronation in May? Absolutely

17:32

98 nuts. I couldn't give a shit.

17:35

Do you know what it is, Rachel? Well, I

17:37

have noticed through it it is one

17:39

of those events that he's 98 your diary like the

17:41

battle of the 98. Is it?

17:43

Yeah. It's empty. Put it in 98. It

17:46

just night just came. It comes up in

17:47

mine. No way. Eighth of 98 May. I had to pop

17:50

that in myself. It's actually it's actually it was in

17:52

my diary, which is weird because I have one that

17:54

you're writing. Oh,

17:57

wait. Hold on. Holidays in Great 98.

18:00

You know

18:00

Kingdom? Yes. Now it is on there. It's

18:02

the coronation of Killa Charles.

18:05

And you know what? I think it's so fucking camp

18:07

the way they talk about all this stuff. I

18:09

I mean, I'd be interested to see what what happens

18:11

because he says he's having a pared down.

18:13

There's some really good tweets that went

18:15

around when he said that he's going for a pet like he's

18:17

not gonna go for a big noble outfit.

18:20

Some really funny 98 people going. That's

18:22

what, you know, things that you might wear.

18:25

Very

18:25

funny. Love it. Love something like that on Twitter. That's

18:28

what Twitter is for. Come on. Alright.

18:29

I've got I've got rid of the app now. I barely 98 on

18:32

it. I got on it for work

18:33

and that's it. Yeah. And I tweet where I

18:35

am what I'm doing, but I I don't really get

18:37

involved in much I go on it on Sunday when

18:39

I do my radio show because it's really fun chatting to

18:42

people. And then I just 98 nice

18:44

people who found me through my radio show.

18:46

So that lovely. And then I don't got it the rest of the week.

18:48

Yeah. I love that he's like, we're gonna have

18:50

a pet because obviously the Queen's Coronation was

18:52

absolutely huge -- Mhmm. -- big

18:54

festival. 98 that's how we

18:56

have been taught about it. I I wasn't around

18:59

because I haven't seen it.

19:00

Wasn't what's going on. Wasn't I mean, and and

19:02

also it's one of the first

19:05

memorable televised events.

19:08

98 it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why it

19:10

would have been so big. But

19:12

the way he's like a paradigm 98, he's like honestly,

19:14

we've got wine here, but if you want beer, bring

19:16

that. Yeah. We've got some dorrentos and

19:18

dips that we're not really

19:19

doing. Yeah. Do you know what? We're

19:20

just gonna see how many people that we're

19:23

gonna order a dominoes a bit like

19:25

that. We got a 98 we've got

19:27

an exit game. So we can then we

19:29

can have a chill out space and we can have people who

19:31

wanna play the escape room

19:32

game. And there's no pressure, you know. If you if

19:34

you don't feel like it on the day, it's fine.

19:36

You know? If you need a mental health

19:38

day, that's absolutely fine as well. And if you need

19:40

to stay over there are some hotels we can recommend

19:42

in the area. We do have two rooms

19:44

available for friends though if you just just

19:46

let us know. And we've always got

19:48

the food time if things get difficult. Yeah.

19:51

Tell you what, 98 not fucking sleep sleep

19:53

on a food time where prince Andrew had the fucking

19:55

access to

19:56

it. Oh,

19:58

god. Don't. Oh,

20:01

god. I bet the queen's blood she's

20:03

dead. And we are So

20:05

this was a huge event 98. It it was

20:07

televised around the world as well, the the coronavirus. As

20:09

I say, one of the probably one of the 98 big

20:13

worldwide 98, but

20:15

in London, people would have been lying in the

20:17

streets, people would have been excited.

20:20

So Smith and Kieran

20:22

Killa think this is a good opportunity.

20:24

98 petty thieves. There's gonna be 98 of

20:27

people. Let's go and pick some pockets to

20:29

see what we can get. Now

20:31

they are at Bakersfield Street 98 Station.

20:33

A nice tube station

20:35

that. A tube station 98 I used to have to get

20:38

off at when I worked at London Business

20:40

School. And I enjoy the most difficult time

20:42

because 98, it's nice. It's quite

20:44

sheer lot combs and things. 98.

20:46

It's really really nice.

20:47

I love the London London underground. I'm obsessed with it. I

20:50

think I've mentioned this before. I am obsessed it.

20:52

I 98 so many videos on my phone

20:54

of tube trains just arriving in

20:56

the station. I

20:58

fucking love it. Do do you

21:00

know when Is it 98 or who? Yeah. In

21:02

fact, I've gotta go there tonight. What

21:04

98 the the trains ground the 98 corner,

21:06

I love 98. Tridi 98. There's

21:09

a few I like. I love I love I think

21:11

the bakery line even though looks a thousand years

21:13

old is really charming. It 98 like,

21:16

a sort of steam coach seen

21:18

carriage. I do like the Sherlock Holmes sort

21:20

of tiles on the wall. I like that.

21:22

The Elizabeth line is like the

21:24

future. I do like that.

21:27

But generally, I think I would

21:29

always get bus over a tube. Oh

21:31

my god. No. Do you know there's never a

21:32

day? Nope. There's never a

21:35

day. That I get on the tube that don't find it exciting.

21:37

Really? I love it.

21:40

But Rachel, the brilliant thing about the buses

21:42

98 start is cheaper, so it's like one part

21:44

fifty. And the whole point

21:46

is you can see London. Yeah. And

21:48

you're not in like a brick tube

21:50

98. So you're driving around the Monopoly

21:53

board. It's fucking amazing. I love the stations, I love the

21:55

announcements, I love the

21:58

the smell. What's

22:00

the 98 the station where they have a different

22:03

voice? Because it's Oh, wow.

22:05

Is it embankment? Is the

22:07

the lady whose husband used

22:09

to do the mind the

22:10

gap. Yes. And 98 died, and she's

22:13

98 listen to the the announcement.

22:15

And

22:15

the the cat 98 they gave her a

22:17

copy of

22:17

it too.

22:18

So nice. It's

22:20

nice in it. Yeah.

22:22

That's lovely. But this

22:24

isn't nice.

22:26

Seamlessly moving

22:28

up. They're waiting for

22:29

the tube, Killa and 98, and

22:32

they're sort of chatting away.

22:34

And what

22:35

you need to know as well? Kieran

22:38

was gay.

22:39

And we think that Christie

22:43

knew this and we think he was winding

22:45

him

22:45

up, don't we? Yes. Because he starts

22:47

sort of teasing him going, oh, you thirty.

22:49

You should be getting married soon. And

22:52

that could just be don't know,

22:54

being a woman, but in

22:56

this case, they think that it

22:59

was him trying to needle

23:01

that he either knew he was gay because

23:03

he was out to him because there's basically

23:05

two schools of thought that said he knew he was out

23:07

and suddenly Kieran was like 98 he's gonna out

23:09

me he knows my boss you my family, you know,

23:12

as my priest 98 I'm gonna get

23:14

98 x communicated by all of those things

23:16

if they find out that I'm gay because at

23:19

the time It's still I mean, fuck. There's there's risks that are coming

23:21

out 98. Let alone back then.

23:23

So he starts panicking. This is, like,

23:25

what 98 it? Late fifties. 98 I

23:27

and history. Ninety fifty three. So

23:29

he's no. He moved here in nineteen

23:31

fifty three, and he said, it was twenty five when he

23:33

moved here. So would it be nine fifty

23:35

eight? Roughly. Oh, it could

23:37

be. Yeah. So he's

23:39

basically he said he spends a

23:41

whole day shaking. And

23:44

panicking 98 he's gonna his

23:46

life, basically, this is the last day where his life is

23:48

normal and it's about to be ruined. And

23:50

then later that night, the, you know, the dinner

23:52

98 the RAS, there there were two sex waiting for the tube, and

23:55

that's 98 says it comes to him like a

23:57

blinding

23:57

light, what he needs to do.

24:00

Okay. It

24:00

pushes him

24:01

on the track. Under a

24:04

train. He grabbed him on the neck and threw

24:06

him under the

24:08

train. And that's it.

24:10

That's the end of Christie Smith.

24:13

As

24:13

far as we know -- Mhmm. -- except

24:15

98 success. Visa.

24:20

Yes. Now what's very

24:22

weird is he this

24:25

murder, his first murder that's known

24:27

to us, sort of weirdly

24:30

defines his next set of murders in that there's two ways.

24:32

One is he repeats pushing people in in

24:34

front of a trauma. They think he's sort of

24:36

98 replaying the murder of his best mate.

24:38

Mhmm. And the other thing is he

24:40

kind of wages a war on gay

24:42

people. Puffed is as he used to call them.

24:44

98 don't hear very much anymore, do

24:47

you? Not really. No. I'm not vying to bring it back. Don't

24:49

get me wrong. Is this 98 campaign? Is

24:51

this what you're there? It's one

24:53

next item for shows like, guys, it's just

24:56

words. So he

24:59

would yeah. He had

25:01

a a horrible MO, which we

25:03

will discuss in later 98, but

25:05

this is his first no murder. Mhmm.

25:07

Have we talked about William Boyd?

25:09

No. We're gonna go to that. No.

25:11

That's what we're doing

25:11

next, 98 it? Yes. So

25:14

the reason we know about

25:16

Christie Smith is

25:18

because let me find

25:20

the notes. Many

25:23

years later, In nineteen eighty three, he's

25:26

arrested Kieran

25:28

Kieran's arrested with a

25:30

charcoal pomegranate who I

25:32

think Kurt used to be is the name of

25:34

a a ex Manchester United football.

25:36

Mhmm. That's by the guy. I think he

25:38

was through Paul McGrath, but Look,

25:40

I don't know how I know these things.

25:42

They'd robbed an elderly man,

25:44

and they were arrested 98 they were thrown into

25:46

a cell for the night. Now as a

25:48

chap in the cell called William Boyd, he'd

25:50

been in there from the night before, apparently

25:52

been drinking very heavily 98 he

25:54

was snoring. Now 98 snoring

25:57

annoyed Karen. And he's

25:59

like, I'm not having this. He takes

26:01

98 socks off. He tied

26:04

them together. And strangled

26:06

William Boyd to

26:08

death. Now, first of

26:10

all, why did he still have his socks?

26:12

I don't know if you're allowed those

26:14

Some people say it was a shoelace as well, don't

26:16

they? And some people say it was a scarf.

26:19

Yes. So socks is the is

26:21

the consistent thing in

26:22

it. But 98- Yeah. -- but whether it was also

26:24

shoelaces in the 98, he doesn't

26:26

just do that. Remember this guy is quite

26:28

tiny. Yeah. So

26:29

it 98 of makes sense to me that you would be able to

26:32

well, you'd still need a lot of force but strangle

26:34

someone with some fucking

26:36

stinking socks. Right? Oh, 98, please don't.

26:38

I can't even bear the thought of it.

26:41

So it sort of makes sense that you

26:43

would do that, but you would

26:45

still need a lot of strength. And the other

26:48

thing is he I don't know why I

26:50

98 his fucking awful. He caves the sleeping

26:52

drunk guys, snoring guys

26:55

head in. Fucking hell. Which

26:57

is like pure rage. Right?

27:00

Yeah. Awful. McGrath

27:04

is

27:04

horrified. Mhmm. He's like,

27:06

what the hell is this guy doing? He

27:08

starts banging on the door to get the police. They're

27:10

like, oh, what's happening in this cell? They go

27:13

down there. They go into the cell. They

27:15

find Boyd is dead. MacRise

27:17

in the corner hysterical.

27:20

Karen is sitting 98, sockless,

27:23

like an Essex boy, and

27:26

grinning. He's

27:28

fucking pumped with adrenaline. Absolutely

27:31

pumped. He's he's still kicking off

27:33

as well because he was like, you shouldn't have put me in a

27:35

cell. I shouldn't have to share a cell.

27:38

Sorry. Who the fuck do you think you're

27:39

at? It's like you when you're in a hotel? Yeah.

27:41

Please know. And you're gonna have me

27:43

take yourselves off. See,

27:46

you've even just done what I did. If if

27:48

Kieran and Kelly had just walked in and

27:50

gone, absolutely

27:50

not. You 98 have to call this

27:53

somewhere else. None of this.

27:55

We won't be 98 talking about this. So yeah,

27:57

he's barefoot fucking

27:59

chest pounding and he's so full of adrenaline

28:01

98 he immediately starts confessing

28:03

to loads of murders. Not all of them.

28:05

They think there's some theories that he killed

28:07

thirty one people overall, but he immediately

28:10

bangs out five confessions. And that's

28:12

not including the man who is dead on the

28:14

floor next to him. So we're gonna go through

28:16

as many of these murders as we

28:18

can now. Yes. So

28:20

should we start with Fisher. Oh, yes.

28:22

Hector. Hector Fisher.

28:24

Hector

28:24

Fisher. Now Hector wasn't

28:27

a homeless man He was an

28:29

addict though. He was an alcoholic and

28:32

he used to hang around with

28:34

homeless people have a drink with the

28:37

stay out until the early hours of the morning.

28:39

At this point, this is Christmas Eve.

28:41

Hector is dressed as Father 98.

28:44

Which gives a very bizarre sort of image

28:46

to all this. Now,

28:49

apparently, Hector had a big water cache

28:51

with him and sort of showed it

28:53

and Kelly was like, right, I'm gonna have a

28:55

bit of that. So when Hector leaves, he

28:58

attacks Hector 98 he robs

29:00

it, but he leaves

29:02

forty pounds in Hector's pocket,

29:04

so 98 just looks like he was attacked and

29:06

not

29:06

robbed. He's very proud of this fact,

29:09

Kelly, actually. Well,

29:10

it is quite clever. Oh,

29:12

he thinks he's wonderful. He's absolutely thrilled with himself.

29:14

He was absolutely interviewed about this

29:17

murder. Mhmm. And because 98

29:19

witnesses to this were homeless people and

29:22

also drunk. They

29:24

were considered very unreliable

29:27

witnesses. But,

29:28

really, the police weren't really asked about this for

29:30

the it was just another alcoholic

29:32

dead and, you know But it's very

29:35

violent. He's stamp repeatedly in the head and neck, and I'm

29:37

dressed as father Christmas. I'm

29:39

having a kid that found out the next

29:40

day. Can you imagine like this is the worst

29:42

day of my life. Father

29:44

Christmas is dead. Kelly says as well

29:47

when he's been interviewed by the detective

29:49

Ian Brown, not that one. 98 he

29:53

says, he killed him. He killed Hector

29:56

because he was a

29:57

dirty, old con. Less of

29:59

the 98. Yeah. I wonder what

30:01

that's hitting her. I'm not saying it's in here. That makes

30:03

it sound like I'm saying a a murdered man as a

30:06

pedophile. I'm not. I just wonder why

30:08

he used that sort of phrasing. I don't

30:10

know why I'm questioning it because that is something that I

30:12

would throw out just several times a

30:14

day at my

30:14

dog. Yeah.

30:17

A stranger 98 her daughter. Yes.

30:19

Straight. The

30:19

postman. Not the

30:23

postman. My postman's absolute lovely. The

30:24

postman the day. That is 98

30:27

con they basically

30:29

98 about twelve people

30:32

because it was seen with a massive group of

30:34

homeless people. Last seen a live on

30:36

Christmas Eve. And they yeah. So

30:38

they Kieran was investigated.

30:41

But basically, they like you said, they thought

30:43

that they were too drunk to amounts

30:45

to anything. No one was really pushing for hector's

30:47

murder to be found. And there

30:49

was no evidence that it

30:52

was that they could get a murder charge, so they just

30:54

didn't bother. That was

30:56

98? Who's next? Now I have Edward

30:58

98. Which is so we this is about six month oh,

31:00

no. Couple of years later, actually. Thirty first

31:03

of May nineteen seventy seven, of

31:05

course, the silver 98

31:06

Rachel. In

31:09

seventy seven, all of this is sort of coronation

31:11

theory. And 98 just stop one

31:13

second. I think Tim wants to get something out of the

31:15

ear for fuck the 98. Beauty

31:17

box in the

31:18

bedroom. Oh, it's a little hairbrush.

31:21

Little

31:21

98. Little hair. 98 hairbrush for

31:23

his hair. Must be having a meeting online

31:26

with hairbrush. I 98 haven't so mad. Brushes

31:28

hair, but it's got no pants off.

31:30

I I didn't

31:33

think man used hair brushes. And

31:35

98 time for you to timbrushes there all the time.

31:37

With a hairbrush or a comb. Yeah.

31:40

He uses a hairbrush. Oh my god,

31:42

Rachel. One that 98, Fanny.

31:44

Yeah. I do find it strange.

31:46

I'm like, what's he brushing?

31:48

Oh, yeah. He loves it. He's got he's got

31:50

a lot of hair, isn't it, magic? 98

31:52

you're foul has got a of as you

31:54

not use a hairbrush? Cool.

31:56

Wait. You can't brush, cut.

31:58

See, there you go. That's what it is.

32:01

Yeah. See Tim's 98

32:03

got curly

32:03

Killa, and he doesn't use a hairbrush. Mhmm.

32:07

Okay. And also, a lot of my male

32:09

friends are now bold, so Yeah.

32:11

I don't see them using

32:14

airbrush either. So

32:17

atoll, is that who we're going

32:19

for? We're gonna go for every toll. Now poor old, 98 toll.

32:21

This is a bit like Jack the Ripper and that

32:23

the a common theme here is

32:25

rough sleeping as a result of alcoholism.

32:28

And drug abuse. So Edtoll is

32:31

having a lovely little nap on a

32:33

gravestone. As she do. As she

32:35

do, and then the old

32:37

nosy, Killa, fucking strides over. And

32:39

he's like, this is my

32:41

gravestone. This is the one that I like to sleep

32:43

on. I can't I don't know what

32:45

Ababa is particularly. Who

32:47

knows? Yeah. Maybe it sheltered.

32:49

Maybe it sheltered positively. Yeah. So he was

32:51

like, oh, look at him asleep there on my gravestone. Tell

32:53

you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take the piece

32:55

of rope that I'm using as a belt. Which I

32:57

thought was a purely North Korean farmer

33:00

fashion. But it's made it to the

33:02

cathodes, and he

33:05

strangled him to

33:05

death. Wow. Not only did

33:08

you strangle him, there's two

33:10

witnesses there that 98 this in

33:12

horror, and Kelly walks

33:14

away.

33:14

And one of 98 I think you've killed

33:17

him. Kelly goes back.

33:19

Does it again to make sure

33:21

the guy's dead? And he

33:23

says, sure dead now, which is the most Irish

33:26

thing to say. In

33:28

that

33:28

circumstance, I think. Do a

33:30

weird thing. You know, I've got a 98 brilliant Irish builder who I get

33:33

on really well with these right

33:35

laugh. He's really charismatic. And

33:37

98

33:37

has no indoor voice.

33:39

And he I'd

33:42

say I'm on the fourth

33:45

Irish joke that he sent me now, like

33:47

98 very

33:49

grainy moon that he sent me

33:51

that's like, Patty says to that

33:53

always the word, Patty in it. Patty says to

33:55

so and so, and it's like, and they

33:57

all have was have bejesus written as one word. Yeah.

34:00

And he'll just sort of send them

34:02

over. Now, to be clear, he knows what I do as

34:04

a job. And

34:07

also is Irish. So I

34:09

just can't I can't fight them out

34:11

with. And also, Rachel, we're on the fourth

34:13

one. I've yet to respond to

34:15

any of them. It's just

34:18

politely. Of course, I ignore it. Of

34:20

course, I ignore it. And then about four days later,

34:24

I'll be like, hey, we've got the slate here now or whatever.

34:26

Like, 98 just It's like it never

34:28

happened because I'm like, I don't know what

34:30

to say to this. What would you

34:32

say if an Irish

34:34

98 was sending you this is

34:37

Jennifer big Irish jokes. I

34:39

would respect his sense of

34:41

humor about his community. And if it

34:43

was

34:44

98, I'll laugh. Well,

34:46

okay. Well, that's that's the problem. As I

34:48

don't think that's

34:49

very funny. It is a bit

34:52

uncomfortable 98 admit. No. It's

34:54

not a cut. Like, it's just I'm just like,

34:56

what the fuck is he sending me

34:58

this? Also, like, I'm a comedian. Like, I you what?

35:00

Because, you know, when people like, you know, when someone

35:02

dies and and immediately you start getting sent

35:04

chain jokes. I'm like, no. That

35:06

hasn't happened

35:08

really. Yes. No. And since I've got from friends with

35:10

comedians, 98 just don't do that. What

35:12

happens is genuinely, I wanna watch

35:14

that 98.

35:15

It's called something different than 98, but it's originally got women

35:17

98 refer to as midnight curry. So it's always 98- Oh, yeah. --

35:19

two gigs. Well, Dougin is

35:22

on it. And Will Duncan is known as the Grim Reaper on the group

35:24

because basically it'll be

35:26

like fucking the 98 Day or or

35:28

what as as soon as someone dies,

35:31

he's straight in there with the information. And and to

35:34

the point where where 98 listen, it's if someone else is out

35:36

bloody assurant has

35:36

died, 98 I it's not official until 98

35:39

die. He

35:39

calls it. Oh, yeah. They all grim

35:41

basically and I imagine it'll get more so.

35:44

Am I allowed to say 98 that a baby? Yeah. It's put

35:46

on social

35:48

media. So now he's become a father.

35:50

I imagine that his time is gonna be taken up largely with that. And as a result, we'll

35:52

probably only hear from him when the 98 Joanna

35:56

Lomley dies.

35:58

Absolutely. Is that is that 98 yeah. So that

36:01

maybe is the official spokes is the

36:03

Grimbury bespoke person

36:05

for For comedians,

36:08

that's what he is. Yeah.

36:10

Not bad that. Queen's dad's got

36:12

pension. Queen's dad. Queen's dad. Yeah. Leesbury

36:15

Pressley's dad Share's mom's dad. Share's mom

36:18

died. Share's mom died. And I wrote a

36:20

sketch for Tara Ballet about Share's

36:22

mom is one of those people where they go we

36:24

go I'm gonna go, she has mom's 98 you

36:26

go, fuck you now, really? She has mom. And

36:28

the whole thing is that you're like, in your

36:30

head, like, I thought she died fucking years ago.

36:32

There's so many people that I'm like, didn't

36:34

they die years ago? It's always weird when you

36:36

think someone's dead and it turns out they're not,

36:40

isn't it?

36:40

Yeah,

36:41

I'm about to Google someone now that I think is alive, but

36:43

I always think is dead. Yeah. I

36:45

thought very recently because

36:46

98 usually quite good at stuff

36:49

like that. 98, oh, yeah. They're dead. They died in this shit.

36:51

Oh, yeah. There's

36:52

someone do

36:52

have a week, because it was it's probably it's

36:54

probably 98 act that was in some shit that

36:56

I watched that nobody else wants to

36:58

say. Can I tell you who I always think

37:01

is dead? Yeah.

37:01

Jim Broadband. Oh, really?

37:04

Oh, 98. Very much alive.

37:06

Yeah. Well, this is the thing I've seen pop up in

37:08

something.

37:08

I'm like, jeez. When was this made? I was like, this 98. And I'm like, what?

37:11

Every single time,

37:13

every single time. 98 broad

37:15

bed's been 98 for an Oscar. What'd you be in 98

37:18

gym? What's the name of the ladies? I thought it'd be in that

37:20

slow video at the

37:22

end. Slow

37:24

down. Oh, dear. I actually don't remember how we got

37:26

onto this. No, I can't remember either.

37:28

So only a few

37:30

days after Edward's murder is his

37:34

one and it is really incredibly

37:36

vicious. It's a sort of

37:38

like and this is where he

37:40

starts his murders that are

37:43

sort of designed to punish

37:45

gay people. Yeah. So he he had a his

37:47

MO would be he'd kind of seduced them

37:49

ago, let's go

37:52

somewhere quieter. And this would be what he would do is what he

37:54

did with Morris Week.

37:56

Whaley. Whaley? Whaley. Whaley.

37:58

Whaley. So he's sixty sixty

38:01

eight years old, Morris, and he's in SoHo. So his

38:04

face and his genitals had

38:06

been mutilated.

38:09

98 also what he would do is they'd sort of

38:12

begin a sex act and

38:14

when the guy was turned

38:16

away from from

38:17

Kieran, he would take a broken bottle that he'd

38:20

hidden, and he would push it into

38:22

their rectum.

38:22

You are a belittle sod. It's

38:25

fucking awful. It's horrible, isn't it?

38:27

It's a horrible bastard.

38:30

Yeah. It's really rough. Now

38:34

the police find old nosey, Kelly, and one

38:36

of his mates, very close to

38:38

where this murder is, with

38:40

blood stains 98 the clothes. And

38:44

he is charged with

38:46

98, but nothing really

38:48

comes to 98.

38:49

It was acquitted in court because

38:51

the the witness it was a rage and alcoholic had been drunk

38:53

at the time. And this

38:54

this, you know, the mate who was there was also

38:56

covered in blood, describes the crime

39:00

in, like, perfect detail about how it was executed,

39:02

what what Kelly did, what they did

39:04

afterwards. But because there's

39:06

six months before the trial comes

39:08

to it. He he basically, like you say,

39:10

gets let go because because he was an

39:12

alcoholic and because he was absolutely hammered when

39:14

it happened. They 98 were like, listen, this is our

39:16

only witness to this is the

39:18

only the case hangs on a guy that's probably gonna fall apart under cross examination 98

39:20

also is not of good character.

39:22

So that's it. They just

39:26

let him the fuck off. Now that

39:28

his mate who was gonna testify against

39:31

him goes 98. And

39:34

was never seen again. Oh. And, eventually,

39:37

nosey Killa, confesses

39:40

in of the mid eighties and says, yeah,

39:42

I I also killed

39:43

him. There's a few other sporadic things

39:45

here that we don't really know anything about.

39:47

I've just got Scott a

39:49

chap called Scott's Jack who was beaten to death in a basement in

39:51

Clapper. Fuck you now. He also used to force

39:54

people if if

39:56

he killed Killa

39:57

claims 98 killed somebody by forcing them to drink

39:59

a bottle of whiskey. What? Oh my

40:01

god. It's like a fucking stag 98. It's

40:04

awful. Oh, yeah. They a lot 98 you.

40:06

We're all drinking.

40:06

Okay. If you're an anti biotic -- Yep.

40:09

--

40:09

just driving a bit. This is this is

40:11

during this last 98

40:12

weekend, and you're being a fucking 98.

40:15

There was

40:18

Francis 98, another murder that he

40:20

was acquitted of. He happily when he's

40:22

98 this, he happily named the ones that

40:24

remember. Yeah. So we think Scott's check was in nineteen seventy three.

40:26

He said he killed a fellow in

40:29

Bournemouth, but there's no

40:32

date of 98. The death with the whiskey

40:34

was in nineteen seventy six. In

40:36

nineteen seventy seven, it was at

40:39

98 was acquitted of that. In

40:41

eighty three, he pushed a chat called

40:43

Joc Gordon onto the tracks

40:45

of a

40:46

tube. And Gordon

40:48

dropped the charges because

40:50

he was his friend. Yeah. That's friend. Well,

40:52

this is the thing is he was very

40:55

popular amongst homeless people. And

40:58

I

40:58

also have a reputation for what's

41:00

the sort of exacting revenge on snitches.

41:02

There was an an instant where 98

41:04

pushed an elderly man under a

41:07

train. But the driver saw the man fall onto

41:09

the tracks and braked. So the guy

41:11

was, you know, survived.

41:14

But people witnesses said that they saw Kelly

41:16

do this. 98 was Oh, there was loads

41:19

of

41:19

98. But it was thrown out because there

41:21

was no substantial evidence. 98 pack

41:23

and loads of people seeing it. No. There 98 it

41:26

wasn't the evidence. So this is the one in

41:28

tooting back, isn't it? So there's

41:30

three men who see him do it. They restrain him. They call

41:32

the police, so they they see it.

41:34

They apprehend him there. The police come.

41:36

And the it's, you know, if he's

41:38

interviewed, he's

41:40

on 98, or Bailey, and then they go, you know what?

41:42

There's no motive to this. So they

41:44

just let him go. 98, okay.

41:46

Because basically, the jury couldn't come

41:48

to

41:49

a verdict. Because they couldn't prove that there was any kind of like

41:52

intent basically. So he's

41:54

acquitted. Wow. Fucking

41:56

mad in it. So is

41:59

then do we come to the trial now? Because he's so 98. No. This is

42:01

there's a few a few more. Who is

42:03

now? No. Well, this is this is just before

42:05

this. This is really 98 up.

42:08

So this is one of the names he could remember. This is

42:10

a a guy called Mickey Dunn. This is in August of nineteen eighty

42:12

two. So it's one of his last

42:14

murders 98 a year before he

42:17

kills William Boyd. Now he is also

42:19

a homeless guy who had, you

42:21

know, addiction issues. Mhmm. So they would

42:23

knock around in this graveyard in twoteenth, which

42:26

it sounds like where Edward Tom at

42:28

his end. Mhmm. Now

42:30

in a murder trial, one of

42:32

the many murder trials that

42:34

he's in, Micky had given evidence against

42:36

Kelly. So Kelly just

42:38

basically sat on it for ages. Mhmm. And

42:40

what he'd do is he would steal vodka and he would

42:42

sort of mix

42:44

it with wash. Yeah. The orange juice. There we go orange juice.

42:46

And and he'd hand it around. And what he was

42:48

doing is an and everyone else knew about this

42:50

except 98 you

42:52

done. Is Mickey's

42:54

was filled with surgical spirit and

42:56

amphetamines that he'd stolen from a chemist.

42:58

So he mixed it all up. It was

43:00

basically call aid and everyone else

43:03

drinking the other stuff. So everyone's knocking it back and getting 98

43:05

and you can only taste the orange juice

43:08

anyway. And

43:10

he absolutely fucking

43:12

hooves all this stuff. He's out of his

43:14

head anyway when he starts drinking, then passes

43:16

98. And he dies

43:18

a few days later. People some people at

43:20

lunch, it was of natural causes. Well, he

43:22

was actually He was listed as

43:25

98 and liver failure. I

43:27

mean, imagine he did have liver

43:28

failure. Yeah. Because he's been drinking white

43:31

spirit. I yeah. I don't think

43:33

it's a natural cause. So he was

43:35

never never arrested for that. And basically, the first time they knew about it

43:37

was when he confessed in

43:40

nineteen eighty three to

43:42

that

43:42

murder. Wow. In nineteen

43:44

eighty four, it goes to trial at

43:46

the Just

43:47

the 98 of Boyd and

43:50

Fisher. Yes. Or because he basically confesses to five then

43:52

sort of maybe to sixteen, but five

43:54

he can name. And then they

43:55

go, right. We think we've got

43:58

enough evidence too. Bearing

44:00

in mind one of them was beaten up. We should

44:02

say as well, during his confession, he

44:04

was having a great time because he was shadow

44:05

boxing. Oh 98 god. That's such a fun. No no

44:08

shoes on no 98. Shadow box. Shadowing and be 98 I killed this

44:10

guy. Bonkers. Absolutely. You

44:12

said

44:12

that. You were like, this guy's fucking

44:16

dately mad.

44:17

Oh, it's it's it's legit

44:20

insane, I think. I

44:21

think he's

44:21

severely mentally ill.

44:23

Yeah. He's really, really

44:25

unwell. And he's also a raging alcoholic. Yeah. And

44:27

they're

44:27

not they're not easy but 98, Arlo?

44:30

No. They're not. Okay. So he basically

44:32

goes to trial. He is found

44:34

guilty of William Boyd and Hector

44:36

Fisher's murders. You should fucking

44:38

think so William Boyd that he's in a cell.

44:40

It's not a fucking

44:42

Jonathan Rekepper side. Mhmm. There's a witness. There's a police there.

44:44

He's got no socks on. The guy who's been strung

44:46

over the socks. 98 been amazed if it was someone

44:48

else. Yeah. So he

44:50

98 us to life imprisonment. Now psychology said,

44:52

listen, you can't let this guy

44:54

out. You need to keep him locked

44:58

up. So he went to wandsworth

45:00

prison, and then he gets transferred a little

45:02

bit later to Filla, and then

45:04

he eventually goes up to Durham, which is

45:06

where they keep all the very bad ones. Why it

45:08

comes up a lot on this podcast. And in two thousand one,

45:10

he dies in Durham Prison.

45:13

Age seventy one. 98 quite

45:15

a good age 98 for someone who has probably got

45:18

cirrhosis of the

45:19

liver. Absolutely. I mean, the best

45:21

and safest place for him is

45:23

definitely prison. He probably had a better

45:26

quality of life in

45:27

there. Yeah. I'm just googling or

45:29

I've something about

45:32

no. What? This can't

45:34

be right. So this website I'm looking at. 98

45:36

sort of the listening motive as a PC

45:38

98. And I was

45:40

like, That can't stand for politically correct.

45:42

What? Piss can. He

45:43

stands for piss 98. But

45:46

you know what he shouted? So when he

45:48

was sentenced to life in

45:50

prison. Do you know what he yelled to the

45:51

court? Go on. So

45:54

this is a June 98 eighty four with a

45:56

child. It's out for her No.

45:58

You said happy Christmas to y'all.

46:00

98.

46:02

Oh my god.

46:06

No. I don't know about that. That's

46:07

really 98 me.

46:10

Now, there's a book about him

46:12

written by enough You know what? 98 reminds

46:16

of you. Here we go. Movie tunes cartoons. We're like

46:18

daffy duck gets smack around the head.

46:20

And he'll just say something

46:23

stupid. Happy

46:26

Christmas to a while.

46:30

Yeah. So it's a good pieing

46:32

pie blow. Now Jeff Platt is a foreign police officer

46:34

who allegedly 98 of

46:36

worked across his cases

46:38

and was there when he

46:42

he killed Boyd was sort of, you know, in the questioning. He

46:44

is written a book about him, and he

46:46

says that he killed up to thirty one Killa at

46:49

least thirty one people. Now,

46:52

the reason why he's

46:54

called the secret serial killer is

46:56

because the home office wore a

46:58

wear someone was pushing people

47:00

under trains. On the northern

47:02

line, but they were like, don't say

47:04

it out loud because then people stop

47:06

using the tube.

47:08

Oh, okay. Much is,

47:10

you know, absolutely 98

47:14

absolutely mad. That 98 is

47:16

a thing. It's also a

47:18

theory I think that's put forward in

47:20

the ex police officer, Jeff

47:22

Platt's book. Which has been refuted by different sources.

47:24

Just just to give some BBC style 98

47:26

balance. Okay. And and there's been another

47:28

one. There's been an

47:30

Irish journalist did a

47:32

documentary and said it's it's six at least

47:34

sixteen people he killed.

47:36

So in the most

47:38

prolific and in many

47:40

people's view only Irish serial

47:42

color there. Interesting. Patrick

47:44

Kelly. Interesting. So it's a

47:48

strange one. You know 98? One of the reasons why they think that he got away with it for

47:50

so long is that he was

47:52

unremarkable. So other

47:54

than, like, having quite a

47:56

prominent nose, but he was very slight. He

47:58

was very small. He was very

48:00

unassuming. He's kind of like, one

48:02

nice thing I was sent to you.

48:04

Like, I feel like I know

48:06

eight men who look exactly like him. You know just like little

48:08

sort of petite, wiry,

48:11

slightly weird

48:12

men. Just go

48:14

unnoticed. Yeah. He could go and 98

48:16

being a being homeless

48:19

and a dick did to things. He's he's he's one of the

48:21

kind of forgotten

48:21

people, isn't he as well? Yeah.

48:24

So the people he murders also he's

48:26

very well

48:28

liked he's very influential in the homeless

48:29

community. So the people that might be able to -- Yeah.

48:31

-- bear witness, are It's 98 it's it's

48:33

not that house. There's 98 way

48:35

it goes back 98. He goes anywhere he wants.

48:37

He he just stands up places. He's there's

48:40

no trail to

48:42

him 98. No.

48:44

And that's why he's our hunk of the week. Oh,

48:48

god.

48:49

Don't touch

48:52

me. Joe, that was a

48:54

little bit accommodative because it was the element

48:56

of

48:57

surprise. Thanks so much. That

48:59

was very good.

49:00

So that's it. 98 Patrick Do

49:03

not like would not recommend. There's rumors that there

49:05

was a cover up job from

49:07

the Met Police. 98, I

49:10

mean, they haven't bathed themselves in glory recently. How's their 98

49:13

man? Not really now. There's a whole episode on

49:15

the Met Police that we 98 do.

49:17

Yeah. So scary shit.

49:20

It's fucking 98, and it's terrifying. But

49:22

98 mean, it's it's just in

49:24

case anybody doesn't know a

49:27

police officer who was charged

49:29

it's been 98 being charged with several

49:32

rapes, hasn't it? Yeah.

49:34

And this is why he was a serving

49:36

police officer -- Mhmm.

49:38

-- and to pay after he was charged. Then that did

49:40

an announcement 98, he's now been sacked.

49:42

Oh, well, thank

49:43

you. That's that's good news.

49:44

98. That's

49:47

so nice for that. That's a relief. Yeah. It's

49:49

not the things where you're like Sorry.

49:51

He's just been sad. He's

49:53

just been sad. But 98 guess it's

49:55

that thing of, like, 98 to be, like, boring, 98,

49:58

like, they are still civil servants Filla they have to

50:00

go through AGB

50:00

exercise. Yeah.

50:01

I know. I know. But but But it's I

50:03

mean, when this will wait for the facts. Is that

50:05

what 98 say? Oh, the facts are and

50:07

there's so much stuff coming out about, like, we're

50:10

serving

50:11

police officers with like, rape investigations

50:14

against Yeah. It's a fucking it's

50:16

I don't think the met police force 98

50:20

maybe unusual in being any kind of organization with

50:22

a

50:22

problem. But when you when you consider

50:24

you have to be CRB checked

50:27

to 98. But Rachel, that just means you've been

50:30

cool. Oh, yeah. That's true.

50:32

Does 98 think that about? Because I've got deep enhanced

50:34

DBS. Which means that I kind

50:36

of like every part of my

50:38

98 has been checked. Hey boys.

50:41

Wind link. And it's been signed

50:43

off and a rubber

50:45

stamped. But that just means I haven't

50:47

been caught. No. Not that like 98. That's

50:49

not me, like, saying that this is my 98 on

50:51

the

50:51

podcast. It's it's a

50:52

little bit episode that ends with

50:55

a confession. Amazing.

50:57

Incredible scene. But this is the thing why when you're

51:00

doing something with young

51:02

people, sometimes they don't just do a

51:04

DBS. Sometimes 98 interview

51:06

people around you -- Mhmm. -- because there might be

51:08

something that DBS hasn't or that, you

51:10

know, never was acquitted or

51:12

never went further. And if someone who worked with you

51:14

two jobs ago

51:14

goes, oh, actually, there was that weird thing with

51:16

that young person or whatever. Oh,

51:18

yeah. Actually, 98, he does fancy kids.

51:21

Yeah. That's true.

51:24

Actually, he did go off just in Biba

51:26

when he hit

51:27

98. Yeah. You mentioned it. So that

51:30

is Kate from Patrick

51:32

Keller. Things to

51:33

say, we're in London on the

51:35

fourth of March. We

51:38

Doing a live

51:38

shows part of just the last festival. 98 in

51:41

a beautiful speaker turn. We're in a

51:43

beautiful speaker turn, and apparently it's selling

51:45

very, very, very well.

51:47

We're one of the top sellers. So now, I

51:50

am obsessed with this being the most sellers.

51:52

So get a big

51:54

the most 98, you don't know. I

51:56

think well, I think we're up there. I don't know if we're fucking being Reynolds' mate, but

51:59

yeah. So, yeah, it's on sale now.

52:01

This over half of

52:03

the tickets have gone. It's

52:05

the fourth of March. It's part

52:07

of the just 98 last festival at

52:09

the o two in London, but we're in

52:11

a beautiful 98 tent. Which sits us

52:13

down to the ground, actually. Mhmm. And it's on

52:16

sale and also come to 98 us there. If you wanna

52:18

see me on tour, there's a few

52:20

dates left. Alright? If you wanna see my brand new material show that's at

52:22

Match 98 the Frog's Booking and Manchester big quick,

52:24

there's only a few tickets left

52:26

at that. What else

52:27

98 be good? That's it, really.

52:30

I'm doing some swaddlers shops

52:32

around the country, which is where you

52:34

bring along items that you love, you've

52:36

never worn, people do the same with

52:38

theirs and then you just come back a few hours

52:40

later or a couple of days later 98 depending on

52:42

where it is and what we're doing with it. And

52:44

then you swap them and you go home with lovely new

52:46

things and you know what? Generally, this sounds really lame, but

52:48

seeing people, especially people I think are

52:50

really fucking cool picking up something that

52:54

doesn't fit me or I've never been able to pull

52:56

off or whatever and being like, I love this and

52:58

I'm like, you're gonna have so much fun in that

53:00

and I've always wanted to wear that and it's never

53:02

been quite right for 98. It's I I didn't realize

53:04

it would be such like a wholesome exciting feeling.

53:06

I get really excited. So we're doing

53:08

one in Manchester on the twelfth of March at

53:11

the froggen 98. Tickets are You just bring along

53:13

a donation for everyone's Manchester, so bring on

53:15

some pubs or tampons, her

53:18

birthday, 98, We are we do a 98 but

53:20

we'll whack a few tickets on just before it.

53:22

And we're gonna do one in

53:24

98