0:18

Welcome to edition ninety nine. Part

0:21

two of all Killa Filla podcast with me,

0:23

Rachel Fairburn, and Kewapritch Happelkane. Just

0:25

before we start, we'll do our usual disclaimer. This

0:27

isn't here our worship. We do this podcast

0:30

because we have mutual interest in serial

0:31

killers. Since we are doing this podcast, he

0:33

stops us from writing to them in prison. There's someone

0:36

out there who could do a really clever haiku version

0:38

of our intro to

0:40

school.

0:41

Yeah. Yeah. But not me, none of those so.

0:43

I could, but I couldn't be asked to be clear on mister Wheeler.

0:45

My my brain power is you

0:47

know, because, you know, you've been very busy at the point.

0:50

I mean, I can't believe that the day is is nearly

0:52

the end of March. I've switched off for a couple

0:54

of days, mate.

0:55

If you see me a gig this weekend, I am phoning

0:58

it in. You will be getting

1:00

the basics. I

1:03

tended when I'm like overwhelmed

1:05

or or tired

1:06

or, you know, spend or whatever. The thing I

1:08

tend to step out of is like current

1:10

affairs.

1:11

Yeah. Yeah.

1:12

We could have yet another new prime

1:15

minister, and I wouldn't know. Yeah. I've

1:17

well, could I went on Twitter, the other

1:19

Neill like, everyone going on about. And

1:22

I just mugged off. I was like, I can't I

1:24

can't take anyone's nonsense. Neill, my

1:26

point of what I wanna say is, I'm I'm tired.

1:29

Because I've just finished at all and then I had

1:31

some stuff to do, you

1:33

know, little bits and bobs -- Mhmm. --

1:35

a life admin.

1:37

And then and because I'm not being I've had one

1:39

alcoholic drink since the thirty first

1:41

of December. I had an alcoholic drink to celebrate

1:43

the end of my tour with my lovely

1:46

agent, Janelle. And you know

1:48

what? Didn't have any more than that.

1:50

Didn't want any more than that. Went

1:52

to my hotel room and had a toffee muffin.

1:55

Which hello. Which was the code?

1:58

Rachel's finally come out. Yes.

2:02

I will be seeing her again. Yeah.

2:04

At a toffee muffin. And I was like,

2:07

you know what? I think this is how

2:09

I've I think I've done. Is

2:11

that today? I mean, with

2:12

booze. I think I'm dumb. I thought

2:15

you meant

2:15

forever. I thought you were, like, yeah. Don't talk

2:17

to myself and then slip over to the Oh, three

2:19

as well. think I am done with

2:21

with life, but, you know, I might as well see the next

2:24

next few decades out. I mean, know. But

2:28

I because I've not been drinking and I've

2:30

not smoked

2:30

either. I've definitely knocked that on the end.

2:33

And I've not smoked since thirty first. So Yeah.

2:35

I'm not smoked. And every oh my

2:37

god. Everything tastes fantastic.

2:41

Listen, I had a bag of mini eggs every day and everyone

2:43

was like a gourmet chocolate here

2:45

and made it I was like, yes,

2:48

fucking, please. Anyway, so

2:50

my point about this is I feel tired because

2:52

I don't know if this is connected to not drinking

2:55

and not smoking. But I'm having some

2:57

fucking wild dreams. Yeah.

3:00

It's the same dream that

3:02

I keep having put in different scenarios. And I hate

3:04

people talking about the dreams. But this is the dream

3:06

I keep having. So the first time I had it,

3:09

it was about Liam Gallagher. And Liam Gallagher

3:11

died, but He had this big

3:13

funeral in Manchester, but it was buried

3:15

in my friend's backyard. And I

3:19

can't go around the kitchen and look at out the window

3:21

going. It's horrible that it's just there in

3:23

the ground, isn't it? It and

3:25

won't come on that. That's fucking weird. Then I had

3:27

the same dream last night about

3:30

a comedian who's

3:32

sort of someone in her family had died.

3:35

And I was in their house and they were

3:37

like, oh, that's where the barrier just under where you're sitting.

3:40

I said, what? And I keep

3:42

having this

3:43

dream, and I've had it about I've had it in about three

3:45

or four times now.

3:47

Sounds like you've got secrets that you need to tell.

3:49

Is that what it is? I'm gonna

3:51

open

3:51

up, like, my antibodies in the back yard and

3:53

oh, there's a body underwear. You're so sounds

3:56

like you've got huge skeletons

3:58

in your closet closet Rachel that needs 2 come

4:00

out. I wish I did enough. I haven't got anything.

4:03

This this is the thing. It's like, you know, think about things.

4:05

I've got no secrets. Everyone knows

4:08

everything about that. There's

4:10

nothing that I have

4:12

not You know, look,

4:15

there's nothing really. 2 it to a joke.

4:18

Yeah, exactly. I thought you were referring

4:20

to me then. Sorry. I love. You fucking

4:23

hell. A bit bit loud and

4:25

broke down. Wouldn't it be like, well, an absolute joke?

4:28

Turns out you were loser. Neill,

4:32

that's my Mystic max died.

4:35

Yeah.

4:36

I maybe I'm getting who've

4:39

had maybe you're getting the gift. Maybe getting

4:41

the gift. What you can say? It's amazing. Great.

4:44

It's like a thing to exist. Just

4:47

like so mad and on the biggest show

4:49

on Saturday

4:50

night, Tully. If anyone doesn't know, Mr.

4:52

Meg was a psychic who

4:54

used to appear on the National Lottery Program

4:56

and say, this week's winner Filla live

4:59

in Birmingham and Neill live

5:01

in a

5:01

greenhouse, you know, that kind of vibe.

5:03

Yeah. And she would always end the last thing by

5:06

doing it very long, like,

5:08

to make it sound mysterious. So she'd be

5:09

like, and they will also have a side

5:12

party. Yes. They

5:15

Killa recently have been to the dentist. But

5:17

it's so mad that so much in the public imagination

5:20

that Even now, you will say,

5:22

alright, Mr. Meg. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

5:24

It's used as a people know who

5:26

Mr. Meg is. It's a real

5:27

It was a tribute to her by Brian

5:30

Conley called septic bag.

5:32

Septic bag. Which is right as well.

5:36

Do you know who made Mystic

5:38

Mugs iconic throne? No.

5:42

Adele's mom. What?

5:45

Adele's mom was a carpenter. Seriously?

5:48

Yeah. Yeah. I'm like very arty. And

5:51

you started making sort of like costume

5:53

and set

5:53

stuff. And she made mystic mugs through her.

5:56

That's amazing. What

5:58

a fact? I know I learned on does it

6:00

on the discs the other

6:01

day. Was the doll on does the islanders?

6:04

She was. Yeah. Fucking out my

6:06

mom baby. Fucking mystic makes fakiness

6:08

wrong. So what she said

6:10

is, they kept all the folks

6:11

in as well too personal matter.

6:13

Didn't really like

6:13

it. No. Okay. It's

6:18

a hot Neill, I was gonna start to talk about the weather

6:20

then. Okay. I forgot word, dude, a podcast.

6:24

Where are we up to with this fella? Doctor

6:26

2. Which sounds

6:28

like an awful pond stuff. Yeah.

6:31

The editor or the message me was

6:32

like, what's the name of the killer so they can call the Filla?

6:35

And I messaged back Neil cream. And

6:37

they were like, what's it really

6:38

called? No. It's

6:41

it's Neil cream. And then he said and

6:43

then he said doctor Cream and he said, oh, I've already got

6:45

a file called the Neill

6:51

covered in cream.

6:54

I I don't know. I'm not even gonna say that actually. No.

6:56

Come on, Neill me. I just got with this

6:58

lad, and I was helping

7:00

him do something on a computer. And

7:04

clicked Neill, like, a Filla. And

7:07

he was I was not in that one. I

7:09

told you this. No. And I'd

7:11

like already opened it up a sec,

7:13

and it was just

7:14

there was like not loads, like maybe half

7:17

a dozen, but still of

7:19

pictures of, like, people

7:21

we knew, girls we knew. Neill,

7:23

like, you know, in people, both of them, like, holiday

7:25

picks. Yeah, on Facebook.

7:28

Yeah, that they he sort of siphoned away

7:31

in there. And I was

7:33

like, Have I just double

7:35

clicked on your white bank? And

7:39

he was like, no. No. Actually,

7:41

I'm just keeping them in there because I

7:44

know it was like the worst excuse

7:46

ever. I'm actually making collage for them.

7:50

What other was like, oh, I'm I've saved it for

7:52

her because she asked if I had that picture. And

7:55

it was like, you didn't take that picture.

7:57

And then they then was like, oh, I've cut that there because

7:59

my friend really fancy says I'm gonna send

8:01

it to him. So it was just like this yeah.

8:04

It was basically I found his white bunk.

8:06

Oh my god. And I was like,

8:08

stupid enough because I was really young.

8:10

So I was like, oh, okay. That seems Neill, I

8:12

was like pushing back quite a lot first and be

8:14

like, really, because it feels like this

8:17

is a masturbation file on

8:19

a PC in their shared space in a

8:21

house. Yeah. And then

8:23

he was like, no. No. No. No. And then now I look back

8:25

knowing everything, but that

8:26

well, that was absolutely what that was. Yeah.

8:28

I hate people touching my technology.

8:31

And I don't I don't even look at anything

8:34

I don't even look at anything. I just hate it. You're

8:36

a writer finger, Neill Kendall. You'd

8:39

you'd shot them off. Neill

8:41

Kenny Kendall is pure.

8:44

And god. There's nothing on Kenny

8:46

Kendall that is,

8:47

you know Are you worried about

8:49

people finding you fucking deviated? Nothing

8:51

think it's weird. I just think it's very personal. You

8:53

know, I Neill I'm honest,

8:56

you know, I don't I don't look at anything weird.

8:58

But if someone goes, can I just use your phone for a second?

9:00

I'm like, no, you fucking can't actually. Like,

9:04

I just think it's a very would

9:06

never look at someone else's phone and I would never go

9:08

on someone's like, laptop or iPad or whatever.

9:10

Because I just think that's your thing. I don't

9:13

wanna know what you've been looking

9:15

at. Even if it's stuff that I've looked up that's, you

9:17

know, stupid stuff, I just think it's

9:19

a very private thing that, you know,

9:21

I'm I'm very really weird about it. A

9:24

really -- Yeah. -- open bookway.

9:27

We are really weird about it, I just think.

9:30

Is that thing like, oh, can can I just search

9:32

for someone on your

9:32

phone? Oh,

9:33

you fucking can actually? Who are

9:35

people are asking you that, Rachel? Have I been asked

9:37

that a couple of times off people? I'm like, no. Go to

9:39

an internet cafe. If

9:42

they still exist. This off.

9:45

Neill, phone the talking clock.

9:47

Phone the talking clock. Phone the talking clock.

9:50

The time sponsored by Accurist will

9:52

be Every other

9:53

day. This has gone ugly. Anna,

9:56

what a shame?

9:59

What a this senator is sort of Peter

10:01

k. I'll start the thing with Yeah. I've got

10:03

that. You know the mystic make.

10:08

Really? I was Can I just say

10:11

before we continue? Yes.

10:13

I don't understand this fun

10:14

thing. I think it's maybe because I don't spend, like, some

10:16

like naked pictures of myself. Oh, don't do

10:18

that either. Neill, I don't know what you're worried

10:20

about people seeing then. Look, I just

10:22

think it's a very personal thing that

10:25

I'm just really, you know, boundaries. This

10:27

is what I I think, you know, I don't Just

10:30

you got your fucking stuff. You

10:32

piss off and let me have mine, you know, don't

10:35

someone really weird asked me

10:37

recently. If you could just search. And

10:39

I was like, no. Yeah.

10:41

I've got to do it for you. Yeah.

10:43

I wouldn't I wouldn't ask. I'd be like, can you just

10:45

search for this? I wouldn't be like, unless it was

10:47

like, I didn't have my phone. My phone had died, and

10:49

I'm trying to explain something to you that'll be really funny

10:51

reveal. And I'm like, give me a phone. Let me just show you this picture.

10:54

And then then I would answer it

10:55

if it was part of the joke, but not not

10:58

otherwise. I mean, everyone I know

11:00

knows my pink code and password

11:02

onto my

11:02

Neill. I'm always like, it's this. It's this.

11:04

It's this. Oh, god. No. Have

11:07

some privacy. I got

11:09

Tetris on my iPad. Say

11:11

again. You remember the Tetris. And

11:13

then Tim had been playing it and

11:16

I was like, I took it off him and I went,

11:18

Do you know you you can get that on your own iPad?

11:22

You know, just go and do you You

11:24

should go and have your own stuff. Maybe

11:27

maybe it's a working class thing that I'm

11:28

like, this is my stuff that

11:30

I've worked for. You've got your own stuff.

11:33

I'm traditionally

11:33

working class people very generous though. To

11:35

a degree with all the working class people. Right. I don't

11:38

like middle class people. There we go. We've got don't

11:40

like middle class people touching us off.

11:42

Okay.

11:43

And that's why I've never been allowed for your phone.

11:45

You can't borrow my phone.

11:48

Neill, but doctor Cream, that's

11:50

where we are. Mhmm. He's gone

11:53

back at, yeah, to Chicago. Now Chicago

11:55

at this time has got a massive population

11:58

increase. It was was

12:00

referred to as the wickedest city in the world.

12:03

Oh. But the population in a few years had

12:05

jumped from about six hundred thousand to

12:07

about a million. And that quote calling

12:09

it the Wikipedia City in the works from a

12:12

an article called the response to prostitution

12:14

in a progressive

12:15

era.

12:16

So I mean, that's selling it more, isn't

12:18

it? Yeah. Someone realized that they go.

12:20

Whoa. Neill, if you

12:22

think as well of, like, Chicago, the music

12:24

cool and, like, you know, the roaring twenties

12:27

there. It is seems this very

12:29

extra city of, like, jars

12:31

and lit occur and, you know, beautiful women

12:33

and murders were kind of

12:35

frequent. So this is where

12:38

Neil Cream arrives.

12:41

He passes. He has to pass the medical

12:44

exam for the state board and

12:46

a health exam. He isn't in Chicago

12:49

for very long. But

12:52

this place that's already been written about

12:54

is a sort of a hotspot for sex workers.

12:57

How 2 he pass the medical exam if he's

12:59

riddled with syphilis? Oh, no. Sorry.

13:01

He passes a health exam. So I think it's that

13:03

he passes the thing that he's allowed to practice

13:06

medicine in that area as opposed to.

13:08

Oh, got you. I was Are you in good health?

13:10

I think that's Yeah. And so

13:12

his so there's there's a thriving

13:15

sex work industry in Chicago, and

13:17

his office is very near to it.

13:19

Mhmm. He had been

13:21

there for a very short amount of time,

13:23

a matter of basically weeks.

13:25

And the police already had him as a suspect

13:28

for an illegal abortionist.

13:31

And he would basically keep open

13:33

late or or going very early

13:36

and practices. This is still

13:38

illegal. It's I mean, well, it's illegal

13:40

now again in America. God love them. But,

13:42

you know, it was the eighty eighties. So

13:44

it's at absolutely not deemed as legal, but

13:47

it still goes on. Yeah. But

13:49

that was also really common amongst

13:52

medical practitioners at the time to offer this

13:54

It's you know what? think it's equivalent of an

13:56

hour. And some would say, the

13:58

morality similar. But no, it's up

14:00

because I think actually one's less evil than either.

14:02

But you know, nurses who do Botox on the

14:05

side to supplement their wages.

14:07

Oh, yeah. And then there's no critique of

14:09

like any nurse supplement their wages. They shouldn't have

14:11

to supplement their wages. No. But you know,

14:13

anyone who sort of allowed vaguely near

14:15

needles is is injecting

14:17

the faces of women in my local area at the moment.

14:20

I I Filla believe that

14:22

anyone if if you've been trained in

14:24

it, fine. If you're a medical

14:26

practitioner, Fine. If

14:28

you're fucking hairdresser, no.

14:32

Like, I just think if you're gonna have these

14:34

procedures, mean, don't get around the old people.

14:36

Some people that work in beauty sounds are trained

14:39

in it. But I I just feel that if you're

14:41

gonna have a procedure like that,

14:44

don't you? You've gotta you

14:47

can't just ask someone who's

14:49

doing it on the side. You know, you want

14:51

a doctor, someone who's medically

14:54

who's someone who's trained in that thing.

14:56

I just think it's a bit it's asking for trouble.

14:58

And and also, I think it I think

15:00

he sends people on it, making it very accessible

15:03

and and sort of, you know, oh, you can pop to

15:05

your local air dresses and you can

15:08

crack on on the sun bed for a bit and then you

15:10

can just have your lips

15:11

injected. just think it's too you

15:13

can do it without a lot of thought if that makes

15:15

sense? Yes. It is quite immediate,

15:17

isn't it? It's I suppose

15:19

the argument that is like, well, it does

15:22

fade, so it can be immediate. But

15:24

It is a straight of botulism and, you know,

15:26

you get it wrong and you you are paralyzing parts

15:28

of your face. I talked about this with my friend

15:30

Jess the other day because Jess was like, Is

15:32

everyone you know getting Botox? I was like,

15:35

yes. I'm in showbiz. Every

15:37

single person I know is having

15:39

it done. Of course, they are. Like, then pressure

15:41

is absolutely insane 2. And also,

15:43

like, we're all, like, women of it, you

15:46

know, heading towards our forties or in our

15:48

forties. And she was, like,

15:50

She's like, I kind of expect it from you, but she was like,

15:52

just glitter girls went to school with having it done

15:54

by their friend who's a hairdresser

15:57

or whatever on the side. I don't

15:59

know. It's I just worry that

16:01

there's gonna be some, like, horrible stories

16:03

about irreversible damage.

16:06

No. To be honest 2 you, I think it's pretty

16:08

normal. I think there's worse things people can

16:10

be doing with, you know,

16:13

societal pressures and stuff like that.

16:15

I think people do what you want. I'm gonna

16:17

say something very controversial. Sometimes

16:19

I just think, you know, no,

16:22

I can't say it. Soup.

16:24

Soup chair. I'm gonna keep it to myself. Go

16:27

on. Sometimes it's like,

16:29

What are you preserving? You

16:35

know, it's like someone's gone, oh, I've I've had this chicken

16:37

breast in the fridge for six months now and it's gone

16:40

rotten. Pop it in the freezer. It's

16:44

too late. Too late. So funny.

16:46

You should do that. Sometimes it's too fucking

16:49

late, you know? And I get -- Yeah. -- you know,

16:51

pressures and stuff like that. Don't what feels

16:53

the fucking pressures, you know, more than

16:55

me, woman with fucking body to small

16:57

Neill. But there has to come a point

16:59

where you just

17:00

go. No. Of

17:03

Do you know where I'm thinking it? I

17:05

I still feel that I still feel like I look really old

17:07

and like, no. No. No.

17:09

But but but it's because everyone around me

17:11

also when people aren't honest about it. Just think

17:13

you're aging really badly compared to everyone else.

17:16

But I also feel like I'm really

17:19

I was talking about this suggests that I feel like I really

17:21

had to take blast. Because and

17:23

this isn't me being, like, down about the way that

17:25

I look. Because being beautiful has never

17:28

been one of the, like, top three things anyone

17:30

describe me as. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's

17:32

It's not been in my like, oh, this is a thing

17:34

superpower that I've got. I've just sort of like

17:36

average. I don't feel like I'm necessarily

17:39

losing anything that's important. But I think

17:41

if you're very beautiful and it's what you've

17:43

been praised for and recognized for

17:46

having that alter let

17:48

alone potentially degrade must

17:51

be fucking brutal. It it's 2

17:53

me, it's the equivalent of and I'm gonna use some very clumsy

17:56

language now, but imagine

17:58

being, you know, really eloquent and being stand

18:00

up and they're suddenly having a stroke of not being able

18:02

to speak. The frustration and they're like,

18:04

oh, but this is what I am must feel the same.

18:07

Added on to that that there's there's a

18:09

there's huge

18:10

pressure. Yeah. I I completely agree.

18:12

I completely agree. And especially, think especially as

18:14

a woman, you know, you realize that you get better. All people do

18:16

treat differently. There's no 2 ways about

18:18

it that you you do get treated

18:20

differently as you gilders a woman.

18:22

Think, you know, it's certain little things the way

18:24

people speak to you the way you you ignored. You

18:27

know, it's that whole thing of like, you know, like

18:29

we were saying to that guy, oh, he's got a guy with gray hair.

18:31

Oh, he's a silver fox. Oh, he's a woman

18:33

with gray hair. Look at fucking old witch.

18:36

It's like there's I

18:37

mean, it's never gonna change. Is it? You know, I think

18:40

it is as like men opposed for aging, and

18:42

then women are sort of like punished

18:44

for aging because we haven't had the good grace to

18:46

be murdered

18:47

yet. I was like, mate, exactly

18:50

it. He's like,

18:53

But I mean, but I I can't

18:55

if if we were to take very long just back a couple

18:57

of few hundred years. If I was living

19:00

my life then, like, a woman,

19:02

a childless woman who

19:05

Jane Tetris. Jane Tetris

19:07

had a been fucking burned. People

19:10

don't want you know, but but that's the other thing

19:12

as well, I have noticed. I'm gonna be off alert, but

19:15

I've noticed that, you know, as think

19:17

my mind mentions what is I I don't I'm not gonna

19:19

have children. Don't want them not asked. But

19:22

I've noticed 2 change it, shift in some of

19:24

my friends that have had children. The

19:26

way they treat me. Mhmm. It's ticket.

19:28

Yeah. Yeah. I've noticed that

19:31

and it's like, oh, okay.

19:35

You think that I am

19:38

not as valuable to

19:41

this to to certain things because I have not had

19:43

a child. You you think that I and

19:45

not patted to some sort of knowledge

19:47

that you have

19:48

now. Do you do you know what I mean like you? I

19:50

know exactly what I mean. I'm writing about this in

19:52

my new show at this You said you Neill differently.

19:55

Yeah. And that you don't you get 2 have lots of a stake

19:57

in the world and be like Yeah. -- I'm not

19:59

having children because I care about

20:02

the ones that already existed. And

20:04

I the world's shit enough

20:06

as it is. don't wanna introduce anyone else to it.

20:08

Like, I'm trying to make things do you think

20:10

I don't want to eat

20:11

bacon? Like, the reason that I'm making

20:13

shit fucking much of a fishing

20:15

life too is that acceptable for for

20:17

a woman or a man to say, yeah,

20:20

I'm not gonna have children because I just can't be fucking

20:22

asked. I think that is absolutely

20:24

acceptable. Like, I like

20:26

to go and do my old thing. Do you know what I

20:28

like to do? Maybe have a nap in the afternoon. Maybe

20:31

just do. Look at the window and go.

20:33

It's a nice day. I think I'll pop around some charity

20:35

shops and buy some shit. You know?

20:37

And and that that's acceptable. And that is

20:39

a valid most of valid life as

20:42

as people who choose to have children, you know. I I just

20:44

I do get this vibe that it Oh,

20:46

Rachel wouldn't understand she's not a mother.

20:49

No. But haven't been a kid. Now

20:51

got two nieces in an nephew. I,

20:54

you know, love the children. I

20:56

love spending time with them. They're baffled

20:58

by me, but that's okay. Like,

21:01

you know, they're great. And I think they're wonderful, and

21:03

I love treating them to stuff, and I love being

21:05

able to, you know, help out with things. And,

21:07

I mean, they have no respect for me. But but that's not

21:09

the point. But, you know, that's

21:11

a it's good relationship that I have with them and

21:14

that's the only thing that people assume we don't like

21:16

children. I really like children.

21:18

I love kids. Absolutely love kids. think

21:20

kids are great. I I really do like

21:22

children. Badgers don't want them in the

21:24

house. Yeah. There's a really interesting

21:26

article that Greg Davis wrote, you know,

21:28

the Oh, did you? Yeah. A lovely

21:30

man. And he wrote the thing about people, can you stop us

21:32

because when we're gonna have children? He goes, is it

21:34

Killa Mac? Oh, great James. You mean? Greg

21:36

James. Oh, fucking, Greg Davis. Greg James

21:38

and Bella. Yeah. And he wrote this really and

21:41

she's like, oh, yeah. Saw that. Yeah. And

21:43

and one it was such a good line that was like,

21:45

none of you have made it look like a very nice thing.

21:47

And it's like because being a parent, especially when

21:50

you it's we don't live like we used to.

21:52

So it's not, you know, it takes a village. You're

21:54

pretty much on your own. The child goes largely

21:56

down 2 the woman. Mhmm. You know,

21:58

wages are shit and stagnating, childcare is

22:00

rising all the time. It's incredibly stressful.

22:03

Instagram makes you feel like you're not enough and

22:05

you're not heard and, you know, like, you

22:07

know, just so many complicated things. Mhmm.

22:09

Are you raising kids in the time of social media?

22:12

Yeah. It looks shit. It looks like

22:14

like thanks for taking one for the team because it

22:16

looks fucking awful. And

22:19

I also think that some people sort of like

22:21

like being like when people we know have kids

22:24

and then like Oh my

22:25

god. I'm so tired. I'm like, yeah.

22:27

That's what you've signed up for. Don't.

22:30

If if I uh-uh. This

22:32

is the one thing that I don't get. In

22:34

the millennia that we have

22:36

existed, there are people that lived in

22:38

fucking caves that were

22:40

tired from having a baby. More

22:43

tired. Than you'd be now because as I've

22:45

said before, you're living in the best

22:47

time in history. You know? This

22:49

is as easy as we've had it, and

22:51

it's still a bit shit. Bore.

22:55

The tiredness is the one fucking

22:57

memo that has been handed down.

23:00

My great great grandmother and grandfather

23:02

knew about the tiredness. Don't

23:05

pretend that you didn't know. Also,

23:08

another reason is as Neill. don't want children because

23:10

As you know, I've got obsessive compulsive disorder,

23:13

and I've got bodily dysmorphere and I

23:16

don't want. Any changes

23:18

going on in my fucking physique that

23:20

I can't control. I also don't

23:23

want to be over worrying about another human

23:25

being. I worry about yeah. I used to worry

23:27

about my grandparents enough. I worry about

23:29

my parents. I worry about my sister.

23:31

2 we do great. But I don't

23:33

I don't want Neill more worry.

23:36

Yeah.

23:36

I don't know

23:36

how we got onto this. Oh, I don't know how we work from

23:38

illegal abortions too. I do not

23:40

want children.

23:44

And it's so funny that we're like, oh, you know,

23:46

like, illegal auditors and we're comparing it a

23:48

that's a boat off for the next

23:50

season. Yeah.

23:50

And I don't want kids. Yeah.

23:54

Matt so go to her about that my valet

23:57

to

23:57

oh, you know, darling. If you don't get 2 preserve

23:59

that I don't watch you know, I have

24:02

a horrible hack, and I'm proud of

24:04

it. This is the kind of,

24:06

like, conversation that a right wing podcast

24:09

would clip up and then comment over. I'd

24:11

be like, as if anyone would wanna fuck

24:13

you and give you I'll call it like

24:15

to go. Oh, this is the one that gets me

24:17

when they go. You know, women, you

24:19

you're not fulfilled in your life because you're not a mother.

24:22

Oh, thank you, man. And keep 2 saying that.

24:24

That's a real I've heard that on quite a few

24:26

things that I've listened to, you know, because I like

24:28

to get the full picture of things. I've

24:30

heard that quite a lot that, you know, or women,

24:32

you know, all these feminism's gone too

24:35

far. Have you ever listened

24:37

to? Well well, you see all these things that you

24:39

hear these things these things pop up. But that's a very common

24:41

thing. Feminism's gone 2 far because,

24:43

you know, women don't want to have children anymore.

24:45

They're they're not fulfilling their lives are

24:47

not Filla. How is your life fulfilled if you're

24:50

not a parent, that kind of vibe? Well,

24:52

you know what? Maybe I don't want children.

24:54

Because I live in fear of giving

24:56

birth to another one of you. Now

25:00

let's have a little think about that because I don't think

25:02

your mom's fucking proud mate.

25:05

Anyway, where

25:07

were we? We were talking about these.

25:10

It was very common at the time for doctors to be before

25:12

me, legal abortions on the side. Which is

25:14

deeply illegal, as I said.

25:16

But all dangerous. Dangers,

25:18

they were just they weren't particularly bothered

25:21

about whether the woman lived or died because they

25:23

also had her

25:23

money. So a lot of them

25:25

were sort of would bleed out

25:28

and

25:28

bleed to death or because they weren't using

25:30

particularly clean things. Or

25:33

they were making homemade

25:35

things to perform it

25:36

with. They weren't sterilized properly,

25:39

and they would often get secondary infections.

25:41

Which would then lead to. All

25:43

sorts of complications and often death.

25:47

Grim. He set up

25:49

his side hustle. And

25:51

he also employed self taught midwives, of which

25:53

I imagine around the time, there's quite a lot of women

25:56

that were, you know, the the woman you'd

25:58

go to in the neighborhood when someone's in labor.

26:00

My grand delivered quite a few babies actually.

26:03

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's really quite but

26:05

no.

26:05

But there was a midwife

26:07

in the area. But they would often

26:09

be used. It was sort of like an informal term for

26:11

someone who was able to sort out abortions as well.

26:13

Oh, god. So he played played

26:16

several women. Including a

26:18

black midwife called HatiMac. Now

26:20

she lived less than ten blocks from the office,

26:23

so she brought clients in. I think

26:25

she was quite well known in the area, wasn't she?

26:28

She brought clients in. She helped with procedures,

26:30

and this made her complicit in in

26:33

in the crime, basically. Now

26:35

he really throws Hassett under the bus.

26:38

So he's twenty nine years old at this point.

26:40

Jesus Christ. 0II

26:42

think it's is it because you're such a short life

26:45

spot in those times? You have to be half a lot

26:47

in. Now he's earning

26:49

quite a decent living doing his side

26:51

hustle. And a woman called Mary

26:53

Anne Faulkner in August eighteen eighty comes

26:55

to see him. She

26:58

wants a an abortion he

27:00

performs a procedure, but during the

27:02

procedure, he's like, oh, shit.

27:05

And this has gone wrong, and he doesn't say

27:08

anything. Now, he says to

27:10

Hatte. He says Hatte obviously

27:12

lived nearby. Can you take Mariana back

27:14

to your apartment so she can

27:16

recover? Now he knew that this

27:18

was gonna happen. Mary Anne

27:21

becomes septic. Mhmm.

27:23

We said septic twice in this episode. Horrible.

27:27

God image Neill thinking about it. Now, Hatsy's

27:29

panicking. She doesn't know what to to do because

27:32

she dies. The the girl dies

27:34

in her apartment. Now, he

27:36

choose to see doctor cream and says, the

27:38

girls died, what do I do? And

27:40

he says, set your

27:43

apartment on fire. Which which

27:45

is not helpful. So

27:47

she's like, she tries to do this. She's like, I can't

27:49

do this. You know, this is all my stuff. I might

27:51

set the whole building on fire. So

27:54

she does a runner. Now,

27:56

her name, her neighbor, George Green. He's

27:58

like And, at Betterman, this is August in

28:00

Chicago. It's hot. And

28:03

he's like, what is that smell? So he calls

28:05

the police. Now they arrive and they

28:07

find the body which is rather

28:09

decomposed by this point. They do an

28:11

autopsy, and they realize that she's

28:13

had a botched abortion. Now

28:16

cream was not the person they

28:18

were looking at. Even though

28:21

George, the neighbor had said that

28:23

he had visited the apartment, he had

28:25

seen him there. So they go

28:27

after had

28:27

because, obviously, the woman's been found dead in her

28:29

apartment. Also, his defense

28:32

he had a really good defense lawyer who also

28:34

was very well connect did. Yeah. He

28:36

said, listen, the only reason that that Neil

28:38

was there, doctor cream was there,

28:41

was to save this woman because this midwife

28:43

botched this

28:44

abortion. And he was he was basically

28:46

acting like this white knight had swept in.

28:48

And of course, there'll be a racial element

28:50

that as well. A hundred little

28:51

physical white knight. Yeah. Exactly.

28:53

But in this time, I mean, 2

28:56

does not stand the chance really in

28:58

sort of the eighteen eighties, being a black woman

29:00

in Chicago. Just she she's not She's

29:02

got pretty much no rights.

29:05

So she tells the truth of what happened.

29:08

And George, as you know, has already said, yeah,

29:10

I saw him visit the apartment. Now

29:12

November the sixteenth, eighteen eighty

29:14

two. They so their arrest are obviously in charge with

29:16

with murder. Now

29:20

Hathy then. She's actually freed

29:22

on the condition that she can help. This

29:24

is what Dr. Cruz said. She he

29:26

said that she owed him money and

29:29

he says he wasn't present at the abortion.

29:32

And then we she he found her with

29:34

sepsis. Mhmm. So the defense

29:36

said that all Hati had

29:38

done was help with

29:40

the procedure and then take the girls

29:42

to the apartment, which which is true. Of

29:44

course, cream was found not guilter. Of

29:47

course, he was. And

29:49

had it, we're not actually sure what happened to her.

29:52

She was freed. So

29:54

basically, this is another woman that

29:57

died and there was no

29:59

consequences.

30:01

Yep. There's another one not

30:03

long afterwards as well. Yeah. As you said, Ellen

30:05

Stack. Yeah. And he's

30:07

given anti pregnancy pills that

30:09

he had come up with himself. So

30:13

this is this was really common amongst these

30:15

sort of, like, backstreet abortionists

30:17

that they would come up with their own procedures

30:20

implements, and in this case medication, she

30:23

died because they were full of striping.

30:25

Oh, god. He's awful in there. He's awful in

30:27

the The police really tried they they

30:30

knew it was him, and he was already on their

30:32

radar from the previous

30:33

crime, but they couldn't link the

30:35

drug directly to him. It

30:37

seems like he's doing this from fun now, doesn't

30:39

it? Because he's never done after Ellen

30:41

Ellen Stack, who takes these

30:43

tablets and these dead an hour later. He

30:46

said he sends another blackmail letter to the

30:48

chemist and said, oh, you've given

30:50

me bad prescription here. And then

30:52

he actually the chemist was like,

30:54

This guy's up to something. He goes to the police,

30:57

but they wouldn't exume Ellen Stack's

30:59

body. So he's off the hook again.

31:01

And again, his letter was seen as, oh, he really

31:03

cares about his patience. He's gone deeply

31:05

mad in this time. He's been obsessed with

31:08

women. But in a really sort of poisonous

31:10

way in particular sex workers, he

31:13

is like obviously very

31:15

sexually attracted to them but

31:17

also he hates them.

31:19

He's frightened of them. He thinks

31:21

that they have control over him, which he really

31:23

resents. Here's to carry

31:25

around little pornographic

31:27

photos, but I don't know that that

31:29

was unusual based on your key ring.

31:31

Oh, it's yeah. Well, that that was a bit

31:34

of fun from the nineteen sixties. That.

31:36

So basically basically this key rig that

31:38

I think I've mentioned it before and went to a

31:41

a flea market in Norfolk, and

31:44

I saw it's a little leather

31:46

bound key ring that you open, Neill, and

31:48

you you you open it out, and it's full of

31:50

vintage tits. And it it

31:52

just says on the front boobs, doesn't it?

31:55

But I saw it, and I was like, I showed you

31:57

Tim, and he went, oh my god, I've gotta get

32:00

this. And he says the first language is this.

32:02

He went forward. And

32:04

then the guy next to me went I'll give you

32:06

five. Tim was

32:08

like, no. I saw it first. So,

32:12

yeah, I think I think that kind of thing was a bit

32:14

of fun. I think it was probably like

32:16

a seaside kind of thing. I mean,

32:18

back in the eighteenth entrée though, you've got to carry a mass

32:21

a proper cardboard foam -- The grass around

32:23

here. -- a box sprowney? Yeah.

32:25

Well, this is their version of having a secret file

32:28

on their computer, right, with pictures of

32:30

it. But I think it's so weird, coming

32:32

around Well, they would look like

32:34

postcards.

32:35

Right? But poor yeah. Pornographic

32:37

photographs. Yeah. And apparently, he

32:40

the way he spoke about women, was

32:42

just everything was unpleasant. He

32:44

should have done a fucking podcast. Yeah.

32:47

And and in the people around him said,

32:49

he, in particular, reserved this

32:51

kind of way of speaking 2 refer to

32:53

women who were working class, basically.

32:56

They said that he he was like he saw them as cattle

32:58

that were made for butchering. Oh,

33:00

lovely. That's kind. K. And

33:03

of course, people who at the

33:05

time were like, Neill, it's because he spent

33:07

right at the time around, you know, sex workers

33:09

who treated him badly and they made him like

33:11

this. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zero responsibility. Sure.

33:14

Yeah. It's because it's everywhere it's everyone else's

33:16

Filla. Isn't it? There's a rumor as well that

33:18

he was impotent and had to take

33:20

pills to maintain a re an erection and

33:22

that had made him hate

33:25

any woman who didn't a rouse him, but then

33:27

was fearful of the power of women who did.

33:29

Oh my god. Get a grip

33:31

made. Fucking

33:33

tedious, bastard. He starts he

33:35

starts blackmailing people again. He he he meets

33:38

a block called Joseph Martin, who's

33:40

a furrier. Very hard to say that.

33:42

He says to him, you won't be Monnet because I've

33:44

been treating your wife and he's like, no, you didn't.

33:46

No, I don't. And then he starts

33:48

to send poison them post cats

33:50

to him, maybe the pornographic ones. And

33:53

this guy, Joseph Mike, goes to the police.

33:56

He's like, I don't this this guy's

33:58

a lunatic, and he gets

34:00

arrested. But while he's arrested,

34:03

he phones an English widow who

34:06

paid his bail. Now,

34:08

he was actually in a relationship with

34:10

this woman's daughter. He claimed to be

34:12

engaged to

34:13

her,

34:13

but he was clearly seeing other women wasn't her.

34:16

Mhmm. Julia Stark comes 2

34:18

the scene. Now her

34:20

husband, Daniel Stark had epilepsy. Hugo's

34:23

2 doctor says, oh, I need in a

34:25

lick sir for from a husband who

34:27

was thirty years older than her. Mhmm.

34:30

But also she hit like, he would become

34:32

famous for being able to cure epilepsy

34:34

he had made this thing. I think it's the thing he was using

34:36

for everything. The thing that I think it's the

34:39

thing that killed Ellen Stack. I think it's

34:41

the thing he took for his erections. He basically

34:43

made these pills that were a mixture of straightening,

34:45

morphine, and cocaine. And

34:47

so I think that's why he was using to treat

34:49

epilepsy as well. So words

34:52

spread incredibly quickly that he

34:54

was successful at

34:55

this. So Neill, who worked as a railway

34:58

agent. I don't know what that is. Sign

35:00

tickets. Oh, yeah. How

35:01

much him? So, yeah, he sends his wife,

35:04

and that is where the problems begin. Well,

35:06

she fancies him. She goes into the office and she's

35:08

like, oh, hello, doctor Karim? And

35:11

obviously, Elizabeth's thirty years old

35:13

enough, she advances doctor cream. He

35:16

sees this as a business 2. And

35:18

he says, you know what? Maybe you should get

35:20

Daniel's life insured. Just a

35:22

little tip. Now, she tries to get Daniel's

35:24

life insured, but the insurance company goes,

35:28

This is a bit weird. Why is this woman suddenly

35:30

wanting life insurance on a husband that's thirty

35:32

years older than her? Absolutely not.

35:34

They they start having an affair, Julia,

35:37

and a doctor cream. Now

35:39

Daniel finds out about the the affair.

35:41

And he threatens to expose them.

35:44

Now he gives it But they just take

35:47

the epilepsy medicine and they add straightening

35:49

to it. That's all that happens. He probably does.

35:51

Yeah. But it was it was blocked as natural

35:54

causes. And then cream

35:56

then writes to the coroner says

35:58

it was the pharmacist. Yes. He

36:00

said So so Stott dies 2 fourteenth

36:03

eighteen eighty one. And

36:05

he's so Filla of hubris here.

36:07

He, as you say, writes to

36:09

the coroner. Now the the Pharmacy

36:11

accuses of adding scrutiny to it

36:14

was really well thought of was

36:16

just had an incredible reputation. So

36:19

the district said he was like, I am not sure.

36:22

Let's exhume this body and see

36:24

what's going on. And as,

36:26

you know, he said, oh, yeah, there's shitloads

36:28

of striping in

36:30

Daniel's body. Mhmm. But they were we

36:33

don't think it's the pharmacist. We think it's you

36:35

who's coincidentally been around about

36:37

two other murders since she arrived here.

36:40

And now they he sort of put the pieces

36:42

together that there was and heard there's warrant

36:44

for his arrest and he just fucks off to

36:46

Canada. My god. Well,

36:49

Julia, obviously, who is his mistress

36:51

at this point, it said that

36:54

she allegedly got the poison to

36:56

kill her husband. Now she turned

36:58

state evidence to avoid jail,

37:01

and she said it was cream

37:03

that had murdered a husband. And cream

37:06

is tried and he gets life imprisonment.

37:08

Neill, they caught him in

37:09

them. It was a big it was all over

37:12

the papers. In the Chicago Tribune,

37:15

and they track him Neill. the police

37:17

track him down, they arrest him in Ontario, and

37:19

it's it's like this big glamorous story in the paper

37:22

back was incredibly boring that they're just like

37:24

a Neill He's like,

37:26

yeah. And they catch him like the same

37:28

day in Ontario and we're like, right. Okay.

37:31

And was like, oh, okay. And he didn't even struggle?

37:33

Oh, that's it. Yeah. I was just sent down

37:35

to, yeah, to Illinois to go on trial.

37:38

So he was sent

37:40

to Juliet? Is it

37:43

it now known as Illinois State Penitentiary

37:45

for life in November eighteen

37:48

eighty

37:48

one. Yeah. He got a pardon. A

37:50

decade later. Yes, he does.

37:53

He his brother keeps writing to the authorities

37:55

and pleas for lenient sit and has absolutely

37:57

and and also bribed the

37:59

authorities. And he he gets

38:01

released? Yes. So he

38:04

he was just basically putting loads of political

38:06

pressure on politicians in

38:10

And because it was very

38:12

corrupt, you can just bribe your way

38:14

to innocence. So this

38:16

is what they think happened that he was like come on

38:18

that amount, let them out, and then was like, well, how much would

38:21

it how much would it cost? Because

38:24

the prisons were so fucking corrupt.

38:26

And he sort of paid for him

38:28

to be released. Now Neil

38:30

immediately goes to Canada to thank his

38:32

brother. And and just say one thing

38:34

here, Daniel will stop friend though. I think this

38:36

is a good thing. So Daniel Stark, who has been

38:38

obviously 2 by cream. He

38:41

erected tombstone at his grave,

38:43

and it said Daniel Stark, died June

38:45

twelfth eighteen eighty one, poisoned by

38:47

wife and doctor cream. Great.

38:50

Love it. Really

38:51

good. That's there forever. Yeah.

38:54

So just after ten years, in person,

38:56

which by the way, he hated and he, again, made

38:58

him he was at is a woman that's put me here.

39:00

Yeah. So increased his hatred for women.

39:02

He goes up to Canada to see his brother

39:05

Daniel. And Daniel was like, oh, also, by the

39:07

way, I've got shitloads of money because dad passed

39:09

away and he's, you know, he's very rich logging

39:11

father. So he had about sixteen

39:14

grand. Oh. She's out there.

39:16

Yeah. But that's what was left after they had

39:18

paid off the governor of Illinois and the

39:20

senator. And also,

39:22

you know, just like all the people they paid off in the prison

39:24

system to get them out there, but it's still

39:26

loads of money to start again.

39:29

And he was like, I'm gonna go back to London.

39:33

Oh. Yes. Apparently,

39:35

they were really Daniel, his brother was really

39:37

surprised. He was like, well, are you doing here?

39:39

Yeah. And he also barely

39:42

he he barely recognized

39:44

him because he had aged shiploads

39:46

in that ten year. And his

39:49

sort of demeanor was much more reserved,

39:51

probably because he got battered. He was only

39:53

forty. Can I just stress

39:55

it it does look incredibly poshable?

39:57

I'm

40:00

really does. Yeah. He

40:02

had lost a lot of his hair. He

40:04

had sort of his his skin had

40:06

aged a lot. And, yeah, his eyes

40:08

were sort of, like, yellowy and

40:11

watery and he had ticks

40:13

and sort of mannerisms that sort

40:15

of, what's the right word, implied. That

40:17

he had been using drugs once

40:19

he whilst he was in prison. And

40:22

he used to have a really sort of thin or

40:24

not thin, a very well manicured mustache.

40:27

Yeah. He was still just, like, massive and all

40:29

over the shop. And he

40:31

was sort of like he used to be quite fit

40:33

and, you know, in in good shape, and he just

40:35

got a bit sort of paunchy, I guess, bit

40:38

a dad pod because they

40:39

say. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing, isn't it?

40:41

You know, men get older. The bodies change.

40:43

It's a dad pod. Some are to be

40:45

celebrated. A woman.

40:48

Oh, look at her. Look at the old

40:50

sow. Absolutely.

40:54

Does my fucking head in? So

40:56

I was he did completely lost

40:58

it. He was, like, talk

41:00

all the time. He he complained about these

41:02

headaches. And apparently, he just

41:04

barely made sense and he would

41:06

shake when he was talking. And Daniel's wife

41:08

was like, get this fucking madder out

41:10

of here. There's also every

41:12

other word is him slagging

41:14

off

41:15

women. And I'm fucking gone with it.

41:17

So he

41:18

his wife's like, get him

41:20

out of this. He turns

41:22

up and he's like, oh, she shadow his former self and they're

41:24

like, oh, do go though because you

41:26

are disgusting and irritating. So

41:28

he walks off and he goes to he

41:30

arrives in Liverpool, actually, on October

41:33

the first. So he sets off in September.

41:36

And it's the 2

41:38

tonic at Ryals in Iliemapiel, the

41:40

closest city of the world on October

41:42

the

41:42

first. Yes. It goes

41:45

to London. So bear in mind,

41:47

he does arrive in London three years after the Jet

41:49

the Roper Killa, which is employee

41:52

that we need to remember. So he goes

41:54

to London, and he moves into

41:56

lodgings at a hundred and three Lambuth Lamuth

41:58

Palace Road. Now, at the time, Lambuth

42:01

was riddled with It's like

42:03

Chicago, poverty, petty

42:05

crime. All kinds of things

42:08

are going on. There's a lot of sex workers

42:10

And then on the thirteenth of October eighteen ninety

42:12

one, Ellen Donworth known as

42:15

Neill. It was a nineteen year old

42:17

sex worker. She received

42:19

two letters from him and agreed to

42:21

meet him. Now, I don't know what the letters

42:23

were about. Neill, it says,

42:25

oh, do you want to drink from this bottle? And

42:28

she goes, yeah, sure. Now she became incredibly

42:30

ill that night and died

42:32

from what was found to be, strictly

42:34

implies name. So drawing

42:37

the her she had an inquest, and

42:39

doctor cream wrote 2 the coroner. Under

42:41

a pseudonym, a O'Brien,

42:44

detective. And

42:46

he offered to name the murderer in return

42:49

for a three hundred thousand pound

42:51

reward. He then

42:54

writes to WFD Smith,

42:56

who owned WH Smith box dolls,

42:59

accused him of the murder and

43:01

demanded money from him for his silence.

43:04

No. This guy is a lunatic. W

43:07

h Smith, by the way, is now the fucking

43:09

worst shop. In Christendom.

43:11

Isn't it? Yeah. I fucking

43:13

hate that shot. I could do an entire episode on

43:15

how much I hate that shot. October

43:19

the twentieth. It meets a

43:21

twenty seven year old sex worker called Matilda

43:24

Clover. Lovely name. It offers

43:26

her some He says,

43:28

take four of these before bed.

43:31

Now, she began experiencing violent

43:33

painful spasms and she died

43:35

two hours later. Now

43:37

they assumed that her death was alcohol

43:39

failure. Sorry. Heart

43:42

failure. Due to alcohol

43:44

withdrawal. Then

43:46

he starts writing under the name

43:48

m Malone. Do you know what's really sad

43:51

about that? Sorry to interrupt. Can I go up? Is

43:53

it the poor Matilda sort

43:56

of had a reputation ever everyone sort of liked

43:58

the the air I should talk about the area they live

44:00

in as well that this lumber road is

44:03

a very, very poor, rough

44:06

area. Mhmm. And it's described as smelling

44:08

of fish shops, jam

44:09

factories, and hot yards. Oh, god.

44:11

That's that's actually 2 my stomach. I

44:13

know. What a fucking combo? Ugh.

44:16

So it was basically it

44:18

was just a kind of stereotypical slum.

44:21

And the mortality rate in London

44:24

is nineteen point

44:26

three out of a thousand, which is a lot.

44:28

Wow. And in that particular area, it was

44:30

twenty seven point seven. So

44:33

people had Oh, god.

44:36

The the meat that was sold locally was rotten.

44:38

Oh, god. And these now.

44:40

God. lot of meat

44:42

will die like, a day. The the the

44:44

Yeah. The meat was rotten. The milk

44:47

was full of shit as well. It's

44:49

just like no one's getting any nutrients. They're

44:51

living amongst in very difficult

44:53

conditions, a lots of disease, and

44:55

lots of lots of alcoholism,

44:58

which is is what poor Matilda is

45:00

suffering with. Thank god. Let's be honest. What

45:03

a short miserable life you're gonna have?

45:05

You may as well just get pissed.

45:07

Yeah. Now, she

45:11

she had a two year old son as well --

45:13

Mhmm. -- and she lived with these

45:15

Neill landlords, the owls,

45:17

and they had a servant. He basically

45:20

the guy got a frighten and did a fucking runner.

45:22

And she was like, oh, god. So

45:24

she had to go and she was 2 sex

45:27

work to pay the rent. And

45:29

also, she had she suffered from alcoholism. Now

45:32

the week before she died, she had

45:34

sort of saved up and gone to doctor cream

45:36

and gone, I don't wanna drink anymore. Can

45:39

you treat me for alcoholism? It's

45:41

like, of course, I can. So this is like

45:43

a poor girl trying to her addiction

45:45

who gets murdered. I just think it's so

45:48

fucking cruel, grim. Yeah.

45:50

And it's he he's like, oh, you're

45:53

you're 2 impulsive, you're too recklessness. So

45:55

he gives her a sedative bromide

45:58

of potassium. But,

46:01

yeah, Lucy, who was the servant,

46:04

said that she she went to bed

46:06

and was in quite good mood. And Lucy

46:08

the servant was like, oh, because she's meeting this Fred guy

46:10

because Lucy had been going through her fucking stuff

46:12

while she was dusting and she found

46:15

See, Lucy had been going through her for can

46:17

phone. She'd have been one of them. Can I can

46:19

I use your phone?

46:20

Well, Jabber

46:21

wasn't invented. And there's

46:24

a note Sorry, I'm goody. Oh,

46:26

your show.

46:29

Meet me outside the Canterbury at seven thirty

46:31

if you can come clean and sober. It

46:33

says, do you remember the night that I bought you your

46:35

boots? You were so drunk that you could not speak to

46:37

me. Please bring this paper and envelope with

46:40

you. Yours fret. Yeah,

46:42

she goes out. She comes home about nine

46:44

o'clock and she well

46:48

now, what is going on? Sorry.

46:50

There's always people at my house. And

46:52

so she couldn't Lucy couldn't really seek. She had

46:54

this oil lamp on, but she was like, okay. He's tall.

46:57

He's got a mustache or whiskers. As

46:59

it was known then. And he was he's

47:02

always got money because he's got silk hat on

47:04

and a and a frock coat. Mhmm. And

47:08

then Matilda Luter in the house goes

47:10

out to get them both an ale and comes

47:12

back, and then he leaves about

47:16

Neill, no. About three AM, everyone

47:18

hears what the fuck is going on here.

47:24

So three o'clock in the morning, after going into,

47:26

like, so seeing this guy go into her room

47:28

and being there for a bit, they 2 go back for a drink.

47:31

And then she goes to sleep, three AM, everyone's

47:33

woken up because my children's screaming.

47:36

Oh, god. They go into her room. She's

47:38

naked and she's like writhing

47:41

on the bed. And she

47:44

starts like dry here. Oh

47:47

my god. I

47:51

swear to God, I wish I had a gun. I

47:54

shoot both dogs and then I return the gun

47:56

myself. This

47:59

is so annoying. Merlin.

48:04

Merlin. God

48:06

boy. Oh, boy.

48:09

Yep.

48:09

It's it. That's so fun.

48:12

Good boy. Yeah. Come over here and bark.

48:14

That's what I want. Yeah.

48:15

I like them Merlin. You

48:17

know what? He was named on the COVID

48:20

arms. My oh, really?

48:22

Yeah. My my brother and

48:24

my sister-in-law it was

48:26

a surprise actually. I knew they'd got a dog

48:28

or we're getting a dog. And then on the

48:31

COVID answer used to talk to be 2 be

48:33

really the audience, for

48:36

the fuck sake. And they

48:39

they popped up holding a little baby to

48:41

bring a Neill. And we're like,

48:43

this is our dog, which is so cute.

48:46

And then I was like, what are you gonna

48:48

call it? And they had four names. They couldn't decide behind

48:50

between them. They said, right. Let's let the COVID-nineteen

48:53

pick it. Oh, they were they were for

48:55

Merlin. So this is a this is a dog

48:57

named by a positive

48:59

endeavor. Imagine that Merlin, you're

49:01

can take it. I actually I

49:03

like now Merlin. You know, some

49:06

I if which which I'm not gonna do if

49:08

I had children if I had a a son I would call it

49:10

Merlin, I like them. No. I would.

49:13

See, this is different thing. This is why I don't

49:15

want to drive children because there's fucking stupid

49:17

names. But I like I really like them Merlin.

49:19

Like, Tim know think Tim someone

49:21

called Merlin and finds it hilarious. And I'm like,

49:23

I think it's really nice. There's a Merlin

49:26

in North Wales. I think I 2 judo with

49:28

him. Yeah. love it. But

49:30

this little bros called called them perfectly normal

49:32

like gethened. Oh, lovely.

49:34

Also, I am saying this is I've got a jostick

49:36

burn in. You've

49:38

got it in here. Haven't you? Oh, I keep

49:41

burning jostocks, and then Tim came on

49:43

every day he went. So I was like a record

49:45

shop in Sheffield that I used to go to in here.

49:48

So Oh, great. Now champer, is it?

49:50

What'd you go for? This one's Asian

49:52

spice. Lovely. Oh,

49:54

I actually, Nick Champo, this one is actually I

49:57

do I do apologize. Yeah. Yeah.

49:59

By far my sense. Although,

50:02

you do know there is a high instance of

50:04

Lung cancer in

50:06

Thailand, for example, because

50:08

of the burden of incents in temples. Are

50:10

you serious? Yeah? Well,

50:13

is the soap? Like, it just is like, we should

50:15

put smoke or It's yeah. It's smoke. It's

50:18

it's quite it's quite harmful

50:20

if you burn it a lot and breathe it in. You

50:22

know, it's like burn it's like, couple

50:24

of smoke in our Proking die of incense. So

50:30

back to poor old Matilda, She's

50:33

twitching. She's naked. She's arriving around.

50:35

She starts driving there. She starts vomiting.

50:37

Got it. And she's in so much Neill,

50:40

like absolute yeah, she's just

50:42

overwhelmed with pain and it's sort of grabbing onto

50:44

the bed post and it's screaming. Fred

50:47

gave me pills and there's poison

50:50

in them. She's like clocked what had

50:52

happened immediately. They called the doctors,

50:54

they can't do anything. And so she died

50:56

of 2. I'm

50:59

gonna Google that. Neill, it's

51:01

a sudden attack of a disease or

51:04

emotional activity. So

51:07

basically, it's just very sudden.

51:09

It's cool. Yeah. I guess the actual

51:11

physical thing you die of from poison. Despite

51:14

all this, but despite her last words being

51:17

Fred gave me those pills and he's poisoned me.

51:19

It wasn't recorded as a murder. It

51:21

her doctor was like, ah, she was an alcoholic,

51:24

so she had too much brandy. Okay.

51:27

He said basically, because she had a sedative

51:30

and she had drunk too much brandy,

51:32

then that's what gave her a Filla. she

51:35

brought it on herself, basically. Right.

51:38

Okay. And it's mad because

51:40

at a similar time, it was all over the

51:42

newspapers about his previous murder

51:46

of miss Donworth and

51:48

that she'd had all these convulsions. It

51:50

was exactly the same kind of case as Matilda

51:53

and the police was saying it was a murder

51:55

and they're investigating it. Did any of them have

51:57

any details? So the big story,

51:59

the Gary Lineker, if you like, of

52:01

its of its time, was this this

52:04

murder and it was called the Lamboth mystery,

52:06

but this doctor obviously wasn't aware of it.

52:08

was like, yeah, she brought in herself. Now

52:11

they ignored her last words

52:13

of it being like, it's Fred and he's poisoned

52:16

me, but they no one knows why

52:18

no one can quite explain why it was ignored.

52:20

Event 2 the servant said, okay, fine.

52:22

She did say the reason she was taking

52:24

those pills is because Fred told her

52:26

that it would stop her catching like

52:29

an s TI. Right.

52:31

But she kept quiet for six months.

52:33

Mhmm. And then eventually, people put the

52:35

pieces together and realized that it was also

52:38

him. She was buried on October twenty

52:40

second near the Met Police no.

52:43

Sorry. A 2 cemetery. They

52:45

have no idea that this is part of a

52:47

piece of a serial Amazing. Yeah.

52:51

It's grim in it. It's really really

52:53

grim. And also that it was just

52:55

that she was a sex worker. So they're like, oh, this is

52:57

what they do. They die. Yes. Oh,

53:00

love. There's another one.

53:02

Yeah. He black males, though, doesn't he?

53:04

He loves a bit of black male. Yeah.

53:06

Under the name of Emily Loney writes a letter

53:08

to doctor called doctor William Broadburn.

53:11

And he's quite a prominent physician.

53:14

And he claims that he's got evidence

53:16

that Broadband has been involved in

53:18

Missilda Clover's death. And he asked

53:20

asked for twenty five thousand pounds for his

53:22

silence. Broadband's like,

53:24

who's this crank? And he comes at

53:26

Scotland yard. And they said trap

53:29

for the blackmailer. So

53:31

they say that it's got the money. Come

53:33

and collect it, but he never goes to collect

53:36

it. I think he knows it's a trap.

53:38

Then he goes on holiday to Canada, eighteen

53:41

ninety 2, second of April. That's a long

53:43

way. But it's because there's more

53:45

money. They basically send him a telegram

53:47

in, yeah, November of eighty one

53:50

and said, oh, by the way, you've got

53:52

another bit of money from

53:54

dad's we sold some dad's property come and

53:56

get it. So he's like, absolutely. So

53:59

he yeah. He bends off the

54:01

trip. And also at the at this time, he'd start seeing

54:03

Laura Sabatini, who

54:06

was quite posh, quite refined,

54:09

and he'd met her in Hartfordshire. And

54:11

he was like, you know what? I

54:13

actually think I should settle down. Since

54:15

I've been in prison and I look a thousand years

54:17

old, even though I'm only forty. And

54:20

he he was like, I'm gonna get

54:22

a young pretty wife who I

54:24

can sort of show

54:25

off. So before he

54:28

Yeah. Hold on one second. I think the fucking bin

54:31

men are outside.

54:36

So this girl, he meets Laura. Sabotini.

54:39

He's going to Canada, but he wants to make sure

54:41

that he'll that she'll marry him. So he says,

54:43

listen. I know you've always wanted

54:45

to have a designer dress shop for all

54:47

your

54:48

mates. They're all different at West End.

54:50

He says, I'm gonna pay for that.

54:52

Wow. Okay. So he pays for her, like,

54:54

her, sort of, like, shop. And

54:56

he also used to take her mother who

54:58

was, like, practically deaf. He'd

55:00

take her around London and he'd take them out to

55:02

dinner and he would be like, oh, I'll give you a tour

55:05

of all the landmarks. So he was really trying to win

55:07

them over. And he kisses goodbye to

55:09

her in Liverpool and gets on the

55:11

Surnia, the SSurnia, January

55:13

the seventh eighteen ninety

55:16

2. And he was like, I'm gonna be back soon,

55:18

and I'm gonna marry you when I get back.

55:21

Nice. And he was I mean, if I what I've shot off

55:23

for four months, and he

55:25

is April second in his back, he goes

55:27

to Edwards Hotel in Houston

55:29

Square. And then he went back to

55:31

his old place in Lambert. He

55:33

literally managed to rent the same place again.

55:35

Wow. Yeah. And so he goes

55:37

and he contacts them and in

55:40

Hartford. He goes to their house and

55:42

he says, listen, Laura. I

55:44

love you so much. I want you

55:46

to be my wife and proposes. So they

55:48

have she's like, yes. They have a massive

55:50

celebration. They go and have dinner.

55:53

You even started going to church

55:55

with the family on Sundays. But

55:58

even though yeah. He couldn't

56:00

give a fucking shit. But they were like, this

56:02

man is of good character. He's generous.

56:05

He's wealthy. And they just

56:07

he he just sort of like fooled them basically.

56:09

So he would go to heart for sure and he would be this doting

56:12

husband wearing his fiance and then

56:14

he go to London and he would be

56:16

wondering around the red light districts

56:18

and

56:20

try, you know, engaging in sex work and getting

56:23

hammered and hanging out in these weird pubs. I

56:25

do apologize as well if you just heard

56:27

a door creak in an eerie

56:29

fashion. Tim has just opened

56:32

a door in the house. It's like the it's like the

56:34

door has suddenly decided. It's the door in the

56:36

room that you that your your room. It's

56:38

the door has suddenly decided like it's

56:40

auditioning for a horror mover. And

56:43

it's like every

56:46

time you even go near it. So

56:49

I do apologize if you heard that then. On

56:51

the pod. Oh, it's all happening. It's not the BBC

56:53

SoundFX department in here today. We

56:55

got dogs, bin men, but he

56:58

you know, creaky doors, childless

57:00

women, childless rattling

57:03

wounds. The noisiest of all

57:05

noises. So he

57:07

is back as we know, but also

57:10

he is still murdering or trying to.

57:12

When he comes back, it meets Louise Harbour.

57:16

Who was a sex worker. He

57:18

offers a two pills in cystine. She

57:20

says, swallow these straightaway. And she's

57:22

like, she's smart

57:24

as fuck. So she they go he takes it

57:26

to a hotel to have dinner, and

57:29

she lived in Primrose Hill, which is

57:31

mad that that was place that sex workers would live

57:33

considering how -- Yeah. -- considering what it is now.

57:36

How posh it is. She she lies she lies

57:38

about her name ever so slightly. Her name

57:40

is Louise Harris, but she lives with a guy called Charlie

57:42

Harvey. So she takes his surname.

57:45

And Charlie Harvey is a good name

57:47

in it. It sounds Charlie Harvey's a wide

57:49

volume. Yeah. So they're

57:51

chatting away and she

57:53

was like, I don't

57:55

think this guy is

57:57

what he's saying he is because he's like,

57:59

I'm an American doctor and I'd love to take you for dinner

58:02

and she's like, oh, okay. Alright. And

58:04

she just was a bit wise

58:06

to him and basically,

58:10

like, wouldn't take his pills was kind of

58:12

a bit distant with him considering it was client,

58:14

this would make her Neill, and he was clearly wealthy.

58:16

And she kept when he was eventually arrested,

58:19

she kept Ford and was like, I know this guy.

58:21

I remember this guy wore these glasses. had

58:23

really weird eyes. He had

58:26

dressed 2 on. She described him really well.

58:28

He had this foreign accent and he

58:30

he kept asking me if he ever been to America.

58:33

And she said he he lied and said

58:35

he was in the army, but she was like, I know that

58:37

guy and I know that he tried

58:39

to get me to take pills. Mhmm.

58:42

He said to her he he said you're so beautiful,

58:44

but your cheeks are too pale. But that's

58:46

what happens when you live in Misty London. He says,

58:49

take these pills and they'll bring a

58:51

blush of rose back to your face, my a fallen

58:54

angel. Oh, god. How much? She's

58:56

excited to go, circular

58:59

cells. Mhmm. So she pretended to take

59:01

them but didn't. She chose them

59:03

from the Bridge in 2 returns. Mhmm.

59:06

April eleventh, it meets

59:08

Alice Marsh, who's twenty one, and Emma

59:10

Shrivell, who's eighteen. He

59:12

spends the night with them in their flat.

59:15

But before he leaves, he says, yeah, I've got

59:17

three pills for you each, and a tenant can

59:19

of tinned salmon. What a treat.

59:22

And then both women later

59:24

died from stripping and poisoning that night.

59:26

Fuck. Well, he

59:28

arranged to meet Lou he

59:30

was like, to basically take these Killa, and

59:33

then was like, I'll see you at eleven PM.

59:35

You said, go to go to the music Killa, some

59:37

shillings. And I'll meet you after,

59:40

basically, and he never turned up.

59:42

And it's because he assumed that she had taken the

59:44

pill -- Yeah. -- and died. Yeah. He

59:46

should be dead. He's drawing attention

59:48

to himself though. Mhmm. Because

59:51

they notice that you

59:54

think people would just stop fucking closing doors

59:56

in this flat? He

59:58

has drawn attention to himself because they

1:00:01

know that the people that have been accused or innocent

1:00:03

but they noticed that in the

1:00:05

anonymous letters, the

1:00:07

person in the letters had referred

1:00:10

to the murder of Matilda Clover. Now,

1:00:13

Culver's her death had been registered

1:00:16

under natural causes related

1:00:18

to drinking. So the police

1:00:20

realized, hang on a minute, this person

1:00:22

who's written this letter, obviously

1:00:24

Killa this woman. And

1:00:26

they're now referring to the person who writes

1:00:28

these letters as the Lamboth

1:00:30

Piesner. But, apparently, you know what the thing I can't get over

1:00:32

that when I read about it? It's apparently he was like,

1:00:36

he's all sort of, like, giddy. Like, everybody

1:00:38

in that night was like, oh, it's all giddy and it's because

1:00:40

he was trying to do like a double

1:00:42

event, like Jack, the record. Two

1:00:45

in one 2, two in one night, and was really sort

1:00:47

of like Yeah. Excited about anyone

1:00:49

who thought it was because he was gonna go fuck a

1:00:51

twenty one year old and an eighteen year

1:00:53

old. Oh, god. Oh,

1:00:55

god. So They're

1:00:58

referring to this person as the Lambert Poisner

1:01:00

now. Obviously, his

1:01:02

his nickname. He visits

1:01:04

a a policeman who's visiting

1:01:07

from New York City. And

1:01:09

if I was getting about Aetna, the

1:01:11

policeman had heard of the Lamborghini

1:01:15

So then, doctor Crane then

1:01:17

goes, do you know what? I'll give you little

1:01:19

bit of a tour. I'll show you where the victims

1:01:21

have lived. Now, the Middle East

1:01:24

American policeman just mentions

1:01:26

this on the off chance to a British

1:01:28

policeman

1:01:29

who found that cream's knowledge

1:01:32

of these murders always very suspicious.

1:01:35

Oh my god. So Scotland,

1:01:38

yeah, put him 2 surveillance. And

1:01:40

they soon were like, oh, okay.

1:01:42

He's visited with Manila, and

1:01:44

they contacted the authorities

1:01:47

in America and Canada. And

1:01:49

learned about that he'd been in prison

1:01:52

and sort of previous sort of

1:01:54

suspicions about him. Or the third

1:01:57

of June at eight ninety two was arrested

1:01:59

for Mudra Murtilda Clover. And then

1:02:01

he's it was formally charged with

1:02:03

the murders of Clover, Donworth,

1:02:06

Marsh, and Shrivel, and

1:02:08

the attempted murder of Harvey and

1:02:10

extortion. So from the start,

1:02:12

he insisted that it was knocked

1:02:14

2 Thomas Neill. A knocked to Thomas

1:02:17

Neil cream. Yeah. And

1:02:19

the newspapers used to refer to him as doctor

1:02:21

Neill in the the covering. So

1:02:23

into the oh, Braxton Hicks makes

1:02:25

up an appearance again. God, he's fucking

1:02:27

everywhere. This is Athalstan Braxton

1:02:30

Hicks. Here he is. I

1:02:32

like the name Athalstan. That's an old English name,

1:02:34

isn't it? Alright. So

1:02:37

at the inquest, 2 the death,

1:02:39

which was held by Athelstan Braxton

1:02:41

Hicks in eighteen ninety two, he read out a

1:02:43

letter signed by Jack The Ripper. Declaring

1:02:46

doctor Neil innocent, which

1:02:48

produced laughter, including from

1:02:50

doctor cream. 2 the jury then returned

1:02:52

the victims This When your only, like,

1:02:55

witness is Jack Ripper.

1:02:57

Like, you're probably on quite thin ice. Oh, Neill,

1:02:59

yeah. So the jury then returned a

1:03:01

verdict that Matilda died from stricklanding poisoning

1:03:04

administered by Thomas Neill.

1:03:06

So the trial it from seventeenth to the twenty

1:03:08

first of October eighteen ninety two. The

1:03:10

deliberation lasted twelve

1:03:13

minutes. And the jury

1:03:15

found in guilty of all counts, and

1:03:17

justice Henry Hawkins sentenced him

1:03:19

to death. And last Neill,

1:03:21

month after his conviction on the fifteenth November,

1:03:24

It was handed new gate prison as

1:03:26

was customary with all executed

1:03:28

criminals. His body was buried the same day

1:03:30

beneath the flagstones of the prison. Along

1:03:33

with executing criminals marked by one initial.

1:03:35

His body was moved in nineteen o two

1:03:37

and put in a municipal cemetery. He's

1:03:39

now buried in an unmarked grave in

1:03:42

action 339. Yes.

1:03:46

Apparently though, it's claimed that his last

1:03:48

words on the scaffold were I

1:03:50

am Jack the no.

1:03:52

Yeah. That's a let that sees the ledge last

1:03:55

words. Oh. These

1:03:57

claims these claims are owned up owned substantiated.

1:04:00

Because police officials and others who

1:04:02

attended the execution, they'd never mention

1:04:04

this. And also he was imprisoned

1:04:06

at the time of the murders in eighteen eighty eight,

1:04:08

so it couldn't have been jut the ripper. So

1:04:11

yeah. But ripperologists think

1:04:13

different, but we're not getting into that.

1:04:15

Of course, they do.

1:04:17

So yeah. There he is. Me

1:04:20

is she Filla this this

1:04:22

time around this time, this sort of batch of

1:04:24

thirty years. You know, they talk about the, like,

1:04:26

the golden age of serial killers

1:04:28

with, you know, son of and everything around then. Yeah.

1:04:30

There was

1:04:30

another one around here.

1:04:32

Yeah. What seemed to be so amazing. Thomas

1:04:34

did so cream. There was Jack the

1:04:36

Redpa. There was the

1:04:39

Oh, god. What the called the the the

1:04:41

the one we did recently?

1:04:43

Yeah. The one we did the day. Yeah. Yeah. The

1:04:45

tour Temp total. Temp total Killa.

1:04:47

There's someone else as well, wasn't there?

1:04:49

What do you think fucking shitloads? What do you think that

1:04:51

this is a small area of a huge

1:04:54

big city as

1:04:54

well? Yep. Mad in

1:04:56

it.

1:04:57

Really mad. I wonder if Neill

1:05:00

Neill sort of experience another one of those.

1:05:03

I don't think so. I I think it's I

1:05:06

think now 2 be a serial killer,

1:05:08

I think it's really really hard to

1:05:10

be able to do it

1:05:11

now. Yeah. I think you'd have to travel

1:05:13

to a different country and do it there. Yeah.

1:05:15

That's true. Well, that's why I think yeah. Anyway,

1:05:17

I'm not gonna get into it too dark. And I

1:05:20

I do love that the reason he mainly like, the

1:05:22

main witness against him was was Lou

1:05:24

Harvey. They did this big dramatic

1:05:26

thing in Coram was like, the man that you

1:05:29

suspected a foul play, the the the reason that

1:05:31

you didn't take those Killa, is he Neill us in the

1:05:33

name of God is he and in her court here

1:05:34

today. She says, yes,

1:05:36

there he sits as big as life,

1:05:39

which is like, bump on. I

1:05:41

like it. I love that woman

1:05:44

he was just intending to kill didn't even go

1:05:46

and check if she would meet him because he was so

1:05:48

sure that she was too stupid enough to

1:05:50

say the pills is the reason that he finally got

1:05:52

caught. He's an awful bit that I've just

1:05:54

read. So, of course,

1:05:56

when people said, I am Jack, the they

1:05:58

thought he said that allegedly. This

1:06:01

is awful. I feel quite ill about this.

1:06:03

One of his biographers suggested that

1:06:06

when he was about to be handys on a scaffold,

1:06:08

It was so frightened he'd lost control of his bodily

1:06:11

functions and stammered, I am

1:06:13

ejaculating, which could have been mistaken

1:06:15

for I am ejac. What the

1:06:17

fucking fuck? That has made me feel

1:06:19

really fucking ill. That is a lot to

1:06:22

presume about someone. You weren't

1:06:24

there. You didn't hear it.

1:06:27

You're talking crap. Yeah. You're

1:06:29

more likely to shit yourself than jazzy

1:06:31

imagine.

1:06:32

Yeah. I think it's a very weird thing to

1:06:34

immediately immediately

1:06:36

cheers. I don't know. It's I don't know.

1:06:39

But cheers, Rachel. That's another podcast. That

1:06:41

is another podcast.

1:06:43

So there we go. There he is. Doctor I

1:06:45

think he's just trying to climb the legacy of Jakafi.

1:06:48

Yeah. Of course he is. Of course,

1:06:51

he is. I mean, maybe we

1:06:53

don't know. We could have come back over. Oh, no. He's in

1:06:55

prison. So it's not him. There you go.

1:06:57

It's not him. And if you are a ripperologist,

1:07:00

please do not email. There's

1:07:02

no way that a ripperologist is listening

1:07:04

to two women

1:07:05

speak. That's very true. Absolutely

1:07:08

not. Oh, god. This

1:07:10

has been a long one, Rachel. It's mainly because we've been

1:07:12

chatting so much shit about other stuff. So

1:07:14

been a long one

1:07:15

bloody. A bloody alley. It's a long one. We

1:07:17

thought it was gonna be a a quick

1:07:19

-- Yeah. -- a romp. Romp.

1:07:21

Yeah. No. can't pick our rups anymore,

1:07:23

and we'll say that Thank you so much

1:07:26

for listening. Also, we've got brand new

1:07:28

merch on sale. Yeah. If you

1:07:30

got the one with the spelling error on. But

1:07:32

we've got a mug with

1:07:35

our whole disclaimer on

1:07:37

it, and we've got a limited edition.

1:07:39

Both these limited edition actually like all last

1:07:41

stuff. The dried barmaine teeter. Oo

1:07:43

doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

1:07:45

doo.

1:07:50

Partners can be quite prudish sometimes. Can't

1:07:52

they? Yes. So you've real tips or

1:07:54

in ladies? Tim was

1:07:55

like, when you saw that tea towel,

1:07:58

taught in. Yeah.

1:08:01

That's sorry. I was just reading an

1:08:04

email about a swapped out shop in

1:08:06

London.

1:08:06

Oh. Yeah. When did you

1:08:08

wanna a bag of stuff out. Can you say Bristol

1:08:11

in London, her on their way. Alright.

1:08:13

So excited. Excited. I'm

1:08:15

gonna give you a bag of stuff for that.

1:08:18

Great. I'm very excited. What have I got a report?

1:08:21

Nothing. Yeah.

1:08:23

I've got a new page. Nothing to talk about. Oh, no.

1:08:25

I've got new podcasts actually. And

1:08:27

so yes. Yes.

1:08:29

Me, I go to my first football match, which we spoke

1:08:32

about on here months ago. And myself and the

1:08:34

brilliant World comic essay Sears

1:08:36

are basically become tourists in

1:08:38

Wales and we do different areas. And I get loads of

1:08:40

people asking me on Instagram, where should I go on Wales?

1:08:42

Or I'm going to hear what should I go? And

1:08:44

we go and visit stuff. We eat stuff,

1:08:46

we stay places, we drink stuff. So

1:08:49

it should give you an insight into everywhere

1:08:51

we go sort of like what what

1:08:53

you can do in that a bit of wells. And we're not going

1:08:55

2 the obvious bits either. So the first episode

1:08:57

is like Rexam in Shanghai, and people

1:08:59

never think to go to Rexam --

1:09:01

Mhmm. -- as a desk destination and obviously,

1:09:03

and that you're buying a football club. But

1:09:05

yeah, we I think it's really good. I think

1:09:07

it's really fun. Excellent. Give that a listen.

1:09:09

What else about it? I've got I've got few

1:09:11

days off. I think I've mentally checked out.

1:09:13

I say I've got a few days. I've got I've got I've got

1:09:15

two days off. Which which is that?

1:09:18

You know, what am I gonna do? I

1:09:20

can't even think I Neill you what I'm gonna do right

1:09:22

now this

1:09:23

morning. I've got a I've got the shimmer f plus twelve.

1:09:25

I'm gonna do, like, plump some sums with

1:09:27

sheep. Oh,

1:09:28

Hello. I've got got yoga tonight followed

1:09:31

by rugby. I tell you what, this class

1:09:33

getting in. It's a hot ticket.

1:09:35

Right. Shanica that does it. What

1:09:38

a woman. She's amazing. She

1:09:40

is, like, hotter to get some messages. Yeah.

1:09:42

So nineties. Yeah. But you know what? It's so

1:09:44

funny because people I was laughing at, like, bombs and

1:09:46

tons It's fucking so

1:09:48

hard. Yeah. You can't walk the next day.

1:09:51

It's like it's a proper, you

1:09:53

burn more sort of calories and

1:09:55

you get more of a workout from doing Basically,

1:09:58

I love Shanica is what I'm saying.

1:10:00

She's a it's gonna I

1:10:03

can't

1:10:03

wait, so I'm gonna go and do that. And then who knows

1:10:05

what I'll do? But anyway, that's the end. And thank

1:10:07

you for listening. I

1:10:10

didn't think that we would work through like

1:10:13

peculiar dreams living

1:10:15

as a child free woman and then close on legs,

1:10:17

bumps, and terms. The legs This is the most, like,

1:10:19

basic bitch podcast. Oh,

1:10:22

my god. And, like, gave her leg pounds

1:10:24

and thumbs. Anyways,

1:10:27

thumbs and thumbs. Stop

1:10:29

it. And thank you so much for listening,

1:10:31

and we'll see you soon. Bye there.