0:25

What up world, Welcome back to all the smoke

0:27

from Las Vegas. A legend suite.

0:31

Pagro was good ship you man.

0:33

We killed him this week. This is a big episode.

0:36

Big brother to me, I really appreciate

0:38

him because when the Big Three started a lot of people didn't

0:40

believe that what I could do and basketball

0:42

and didn't appreciate my game. And my big brother

0:44

made me captain pulled me in. I

0:47

was just punishing boars, upon punishing

0:49

knew he made a mistake. No, I was punishing

0:51

boys. I was punishing boys. But now we got

0:53

our big bro on the show to day coach

0:56

of the Portland Trailblazers, Big Shot Johnson

0:58

Billips.

1:01

Like you said, we've been trying to line this up for a minute.

1:03

I know. I'm happy we got it. All

1:05

about timing getting ready for you

1:07

too. How are you feeling what's going on?

1:10

Man? I'm excited for real. Man. Like year

1:12

one was rough, it was really rough. Um.

1:14

I was really excited obviously about the opportunity,

1:18

and things changed really quickly. You know, Dame

1:20

was hurt the whole time. C J punctured

1:23

his lunge. I mean it just was a lot. And

1:25

then we ended up, changing gears, making

1:28

the moves we made, and

1:30

we just took some lumps, bro like crazy.

1:32

So I'm so excited now that we

1:35

didn't kind of build the team the way that I like. Dudes,

1:37

I let you know how I like tough

1:40

play, both sides of the ball, share

1:42

the basketball, play together. So

1:45

we made some good moves. I'm excited. I'm really excited.

1:48

Dang's back healthy. The young boy aunt Simon

1:50

as he really his ascension was beautiful

1:53

last year. He cod as much as you don't want

1:55

to see c J. Leave Simmons

1:57

is nice. Yeah, ye know, I'm all about

1:59

develop let him rock each showed

2:01

the world that a nice So I'm

2:04

excited about your two for real. What kind

2:06

of identity you trying to implement with this team. I

2:08

mean you were someone who won your championship of a

2:10

defense, like you said before, sharing

2:12

the ball, So it's similar identity for this team,

2:15

you know. Yeah, and y'all too notice like the

2:17

game has changed so much, but at

2:19

the end of the day, the best of the best,

2:22

it's all the same. You gotta

2:24

play hard, you gotta compete, you gotta share

2:26

the ball. You know, you gotta be good

2:29

teammates. You gotta sacrifice. None

2:32

of those things I've ever changed. Now.

2:34

You know, the concepts and principles they're changing

2:36

a little bit, but the

2:39

best teams and the way that they win that

2:42

has never changed at all from the generations

2:44

before us too. Now the

2:46

best teams that you see, bro, they

2:48

play together, they play defense,

2:51

they compete, they talk about the three ball

2:53

and all of that, which is really prevalent

2:55

right now. But everything

2:57

is all the same. So I see the game the way that I played

2:59

the game. You know we're gonna

3:01

compete, We're gonna be We're gonna be hard man. I

3:04

like bones out there, key new pieces.

3:06

Obviously, Simon signs his deal. You pick

3:08

up Jeremy Grant, who's a nice two way player,

3:10

shading sharp. I like him. He didn't he

3:12

played one got hurt. But

3:15

the one move he made, he's that baseline

3:17

fadeaway shot. That's a pro move. That

3:19

was It sounds like this kids are pro seeing

3:22

that move. He's got talent. And then one

3:24

of my favorite players in league, Gary Payton, the second

3:26

someone who's had to grind every step of the way,

3:29

and you guys rewarded him with a nice contract. So

3:31

I'm really excited. Like you said that, you've got guys

3:34

that the kind of fit your mentality,

3:36

and that's important. How important

3:39

is having someone like Dame Obviously

3:41

he was hurt most of the year, but not only just what

3:43

he can do on the court, but the leadership because you guys have a

3:45

fairly young team. Yeah, yeah,

3:47

we do. I mean, Dame is just I

3:51

think y'all all see it. And he's really he's

3:53

always honest in his interviews. He's

3:55

just a real one. You know, he's loyal.

3:58

Obviously y'all know that. But he he's

4:00

really from a generation

4:02

before that he's playing in. He's

4:05

one of them. He's from that

4:07

that cloth, you know. So having

4:09

him healthy, um, having them to just

4:11

pouring into you know, and

4:14

and having Nerk back and little

4:17

g P who we talked about, he just he

4:19

might kind of do you know, he's gonna play

4:21

the right way at all times. Jeremy

4:23

Grant bringing him on board

4:25

and having that athleticism. You know, every

4:27

in the game today, a lot of people switch everything

4:29

at least one through four. You can go out all that. He

4:32

can switch stuff. He can take advantage of, you

4:34

know, small matchups when they switch, you

4:36

know, with him and there. So well,

4:39

we'll have a lot of opportunity to do a

4:41

lot of different things this year. So

4:43

what do you see? I mean, I know it's earlier, is it is?

4:45

It? Is it? Dame Simmons

4:49

assignments. Uh, the

4:51

young rookie grant and you're

4:53

big fellow back three open? Yeah,

4:56

no, the three, the three is open. But I

4:58

kind of see it right now. Like another

5:00

kid that really made a jump for U slash until he got

5:03

hurt, was not there a little played really well. He

5:05

was hoping. He was hoping. He's really athletic,

5:07

he can shoot the three, he can guard. So

5:10

I see you know him, Josh Hart.

5:12

We got who's who's bawling too? I

5:15

see them in that you know cop three spot. But

5:17

a young boys shading. He

5:20

got tense to be special. He got some talent, he got

5:22

a but got a lot

5:24

of talent. Yeah. I had another question. Uh,

5:27

we was talking about how rough year

5:29

one was. Do you take because

5:31

being a player, do you take the same lups

5:33

and the ups and downs of the season the same way

5:35

as a coach as you as a player? Yeah,

5:38

yeah you do. Man, it's almost probably worse.

5:40

That's probably a lot

5:42

worse. You know as a point guard, and when

5:44

I played, I really kind of I took

5:46

home more than anybody. You know, I'm thinking

5:49

the whole after the games, I'm fried because

5:51

I'm really thinking about any

5:53

way that I can get on top. And I'm thinking

5:55

about how I can make you better. You

5:58

better get sheet, this shot, get

6:00

that. I'm thinking about all of that. So

6:02

I'm not even physically burnt

6:04

atter the game. I'm really mentally that way.

6:07

Now. It's all mentally. I'm not physically

6:10

doing nothing, obviously, but

6:13

mentally, like you gotta prepare

6:15

for so much. Every single game.

6:18

You're preparing for everything and sometimes

6:22

those things never happened. But if

6:24

you're not prepared, you're gonna get exposed. It's

6:26

a lot, it's a lot, it's a lot of work.

6:29

But I love it and it's just hoop at the end

6:31

of the day. You know. Um,

6:33

it's beautiful. I love it. Man, I'm glad. I did it talk

6:36

about growing up in Denver, Colorado? Yeah,

6:39

so I'm from Um it's funny like I'm

6:41

from Denver and everybody like when I used

6:43

to go to a tournaments and all that, everybody

6:45

be like, damn, man, you you ride horses

6:48

and ship. Are you ski? And

6:50

I'm like, nah,

6:54

that'sh It costs money. Man, you grew up in the

6:56

city. You can't do that unless they're

6:58

doing free stuff for the is. But man,

7:01

I had a great child, you know, I

7:03

grew up. Um, I'm one

7:05

of the only dudes in my in the whole neighborhood

7:07

have had mom and dad in the crib that

7:10

both worked, you know, and we didn't really

7:12

for real, we ain't really had them, but we

7:14

was cool. You know, it was cool. But

7:17

my neighborhoods called park Hill. I'll take a

7:19

lot of pride in it, and got that tat on me early

7:22

when I was really young. Um,

7:24

And it's just like any other inner city, you

7:26

know, it's gang violence,

7:29

drugs, everything,

7:32

you know, everything is the hood everywhere,

7:35

and I'll take a lot of pride and where I'm from, not

7:37

a lot of people made it, Um,

7:39

out of my neighborhood. There's a few, but

7:42

not really not a lot. So you know how it

7:44

is when we make it, the whole hood make it,

7:47

and you you you carry that with you,

7:49

you know throughout you carry the flag the whole way

7:52

through. So it's been

7:54

beautiful, you know, I love it. I go home, um

7:57

all the time. My parents still lived there, my

7:59

wife is from there, My wife

8:01

is from our neighborhood. So it's

8:03

beautiful. That's do when

8:06

the basketball coming and Max when he's growing up. I

8:09

first played football, and I loved football

8:11

position. You know, at that age

8:13

you're playing both, you know what I mean, quarterback and safety.

8:16

Yeah, that was my very first love. And

8:18

the funny thing is I only played basketball.

8:21

Started playing basketball because

8:24

you need something to do in the season. I

8:26

mean, idle time for any of the inner city

8:28

is some one off. It ain't good.

8:30

So I started playing basketball

8:34

and I played all the way and played both

8:36

all the way kind of through middle school. And

8:38

I remember one day meeting with up not mean,

8:41

but just kind of sitting down talking to my mom

8:43

My. My my dream is the only go to college.

8:46

I didn't think about no pro or nothing. I

8:48

just want to go to college. Nobody ever my family ever

8:50

been to college. And so talking

8:53

to my mom one day, she was just like asking

8:55

me that and I was like, yeah, that's what I want to do.

8:58

And she was like, well, that

9:00

would be good, but you're probably

9:03

gonna have to get a scholarship because I can't. We can't

9:05

afford them. So at that point

9:07

I had to make a decision football

9:10

basketball. I like football better, but I was better

9:12

in basketball, so I'm like, all right,

9:14

if i'm better, I'm probably can get a scholarship. I

9:17

quit playing football and just

9:19

kept hooping. So it

9:22

worked out growing up. And then who did you

9:24

adolize playing basketball? And who was just like patting

9:26

your game out? You know? I

9:29

was a mad I've always been a magic. Magic

9:31

was one all time favorite player. And again,

9:33

like there was like some dudes in my neighborhood that was high

9:35

school players, and I was like, man, I want

9:37

to you know, I want to be like them.

9:40

But like big picture, Magic was I wasn't

9:42

a Laker fan, but I was a Magic guy

9:45

because it just always seemed like he was having

9:47

fun out there. Like he was doing a lot of winning,

9:50

but he was having fun, he was sharing the ball,

9:52

like I just always

9:54

really admired the way the Magic I

9:57

just went about everything, not just hooping.

9:59

So he was out of my guy. Mr

10:01

Colorado and basketball three times

10:04

to looking to the McDonald's game. It didn't play

10:07

What was the McDonald's experience even though you didn't

10:09

play man. That was crazy because

10:14

I just like that was my goal in college was

10:16

to make it to the you know, that was all of our

10:18

goal McDonald's, to make McDonald's.

10:20

And I felt like we had maybe

10:22

the best class ever in

10:26

before us. Name some of them,

10:29

Name some of them. You got one right there

10:31

behind the cameras, Liney McCoy

10:34

myself. But then you can have the big dogs

10:36

like KG, Stephen

10:38

Marberry streep up to Raheen, Vince

10:40

Carter, Paul Pierce, Ron

10:43

Mercer, Sham

10:46

God, Antoine

10:48

Jamison. We

10:50

was deep. We had we had a unit. We

10:53

had a unit. We had a unit for sure,

10:55

um tractor trailer. God.

10:59

We a lot. We had a lot. So for

11:02

me to make it to that was everything, you

11:04

know, especially coming from themmer ain't nobody. We

11:07

ain't got nobody. In high school basketball,

11:09

you listed Mr. Colorado

11:11

and all that that was. That was really

11:13

easy to get. It wasn't a lot of players. I

11:15

ain't from where you are from. So my

11:18

real season was summertime. Hey

11:20

you, I'm I'm looking for y'all.

11:22

I'm looking for I'm looking after I get my

11:24

name up. And so I

11:27

took that summer very very seriously,

11:29

and that's how I was able to be lucky

11:31

enough to be a McDonald's All American. But

11:34

in the playoffs that year in high school,

11:36

I had just located my shoulder, so

11:38

it put me out, so I didn't get to do it. But

11:41

it was in St. Louis. I went to it, had

11:44

a good time. It was It was

11:46

an awesome time, so it

11:48

was all worth it, even though I didn't get to play in it.

11:52

Um. I think it was Ryan Robertson.

11:54

Ryan Robertson. He ended up going to Kansas.

11:59

My room man was Joe

12:03

Brown. You

12:05

decided to stay home, uh and go to Colorado

12:07

with or any of the schools that Glani

12:10

said he was your roommate? You

12:12

us, Yeah,

12:14

not bad

12:17

bad roommate,

12:22

McCoy. He

12:24

confused you with a six TI. I

12:27

might be wrong about my room right, wrong

12:30

about my roommate. I ain't gonna. I

12:32

was on the West, so he might not have been my roommate.

12:35

That's funny. You decided to stay going home and go to Colorado

12:38

with any of the schools you considered. You know what's

12:40

funny about it, man, is Colorado

12:43

wasn't even in my top five at the time when I narrowed

12:45

it down. It was Georgia

12:47

Tech, Arizona at u C

12:50

l A UM had Michigan. Man,

12:52

I ended up like I went to a few visits

12:56

and in my senior year, I lost my grandma

12:58

and my grandfather, right, and

13:00

so every time I went on the visit, I came home. I

13:03

could tell that my mom was like happy that I went,

13:05

but she was really kind of sad. So

13:08

I was like, fucking, I'm

13:11

about to let I called the press conference

13:13

like the next week and

13:16

I just announced that I was going to because they didn't even

13:18

know everybody, but they

13:20

was recruiting me hard. And the dude that was recruiting me

13:22

who became my coach with Carlo Patton, came one of

13:24

my big biggest mentors. He

13:26

was going hard. But you know, I'm

13:28

trying to trying to do the thing, but

13:31

man, I just felt. I just felt. I just felt

13:33

right, you know what I'm saying. And I just had the press

13:35

conference. They ain't even know I was about to do

13:37

it. Now, So I was going

13:39

to Colorado. What was that love

13:41

like? Because you, I mean you was at hometown. He stayed home.

13:44

That with a love on campus was crazy, Yeah,

13:46

it was. It was. I wish they had the n I l

13:48

back then, could have got some money.

13:51

Lay in school boy, I could have got you. But he used

13:53

to have hair back then, you could have got your hair nice

13:57

part. Yeah

14:00

Johns had hair back then. Y'all didn't know you

14:04

had a good Yeah you had a good run. Yeah, yeah,

14:10

you had a good man. Say so

14:14

two years you make the turning for the first

14:16

time since NAT because not all American eighteen

14:19

six and five up your career. What

14:21

was the best part about that two year run? The

14:24

best part was that none of it was easy.

14:27

Man. My first year we was like five hundred.

14:30

It was. It was funny because my first

14:32

year was the last year the Big Eight and

14:34

then my second year was the first year to Big twelve.

14:37

And uh man,

14:39

I had a heck of a year my first year, but we

14:41

was weak. Man. We just didn't have a lot of talent

14:44

and we was as you just said, we was

14:46

a bad team for a long time. Changed the

14:48

coach. We really didn't get no more big

14:50

recruits, but we turned it all the way around.

14:53

We went from like second to

14:55

last in the Big Eight to second and the Big twelve.

14:58

And uh I had a obviously a good year,

15:00

but we had a good team. So like

15:03

just the beauty of just that

15:05

transformation was it for me.

15:07

And then we go to the n c A A tournament

15:10

and I felt like we should have been a hard seed. So

15:12

I was playing with that chip anyway,

15:14

and we ended up playing Indiana Bobby

15:17

Knight. They had all

15:19

set up where if

15:22

North Carolina would have won, but what if

15:24

they win two games in the tournament that was

15:26

Dean Smith's, They're gonna break the record. So

15:29

they tried to set it up when it was gonna

15:31

be Bobby Knight against

15:33

Dean Smith. Fued it all

15:35

up. I wasn't having that ship having

15:38

that, so we so we ended up playing Indiana.

15:42

We boned them, We smoked

15:44

him. And then we ended up playing Vince Carter

15:46

and Twine and and they was

15:48

so much better than we were. But um,

15:52

we was up one at the half in North

15:54

Carolina for him to break the

15:56

all time record of all his players. Came back.

15:59

We up one at the half. I

16:02

ain't gonna tell you what happened. The rest stepped

16:04

in hut. I'm gonna I ain't even gonna tell

16:06

you what happened. But anyway, they was better than us. They

16:08

should have been us anyway, but

16:11

they shouldn't have been this like that. So

16:24

the third pick in the nineties seven draft, which

16:26

was a heavy draft stack, was in it. Duncan t

16:28

mac best memory about leading

16:31

up to the draft, whether it be workouts or conversations

16:33

with people, anything that stick out in your mind. Man.

16:35

You know, I left left Colorado

16:37

and I went My agent was in Connecticut

16:39

at the time, so I went and trained to Connecticut.

16:43

Man, I just locked in, Man, I just really

16:45

locked in. And at the time when I left, I

16:47

was supposed to be like between nine and fifteen,

16:50

you know, in the draft, and I'm

16:52

just looking on the board and I'm saying, like the dudes

16:55

that they're saying it's

16:57

in front of me, and I'm like, I just want to get in front

16:59

of them, that's all. I just want to get

17:01

in front of him. And I I didn't get an opportunity

17:04

too, because I only had one workout and just kind of invited

17:06

everybody to the workout, and

17:09

um, it obviously went' good. But

17:11

like I just remember like really

17:13

just locking in, man, and really getting myself

17:16

in tiptop shape and the very

17:18

first time in my life that I ate

17:20

well, um

17:22

and did the things that was really necessary.

17:24

And man, it worked

17:27

out, Like I didn't think I would be the third pick,

17:29

but it worked out

17:32

into the draft right after that. It was tricky,

17:34

but you know, but it was

17:36

cool though. You

17:39

get traded to Toronto, talk about

17:41

that, Yeah, man, it was. It

17:43

was weird. Man, Um,

17:46

you know, you're the third pick in the draft and

17:48

you feel like you're gonna be there, like at least

17:50

for a year or two. It's a bad

17:52

team, you're the third pick. Most

17:55

guys they just get the ball,

17:57

but they lived with which they just lived

18:00

of your mistakes and until you develop. And

18:03

I didn't really get that opportunity. But in

18:06

all honesty, like it wasn't

18:08

like no coach hating, it was none of that. Like I

18:10

just really wasn't ready. It was the

18:12

first time that I'm playing

18:14

against dudes as bigger, stronger, better

18:16

than me, you know, smarter, and

18:19

it just took a while to make the adjustment.

18:21

I was playing pretty good and I was playing

18:23

for Ripportino at the time. There was a lot of pressure

18:26

on him. I remember, like the day he traded

18:28

me, came into my hotel room. We

18:30

was on the road. It was just like,

18:32

look, man, I think you're gonna have a good career. You

18:34

know, y'all heard this all before because

18:37

they there's all the same and

18:39

uh. But he was like, it's a lot of pressure on me.

18:41

And I've always been a big fan of Kenny Anderson's

18:45

and I'm like, all right, that's cool. And it was like we got

18:47

a chance to get him. So it was a three way trade. I

18:49

went to Toronto, Dames

18:51

starting Mind went to Portland, and Kenny A went

18:53

to Boston. So just

18:56

the fact that I was in the trade with these these

18:58

dudes, these dudes is oh, like they

19:00

the dudes, so that you

19:03

know, that was cool. But I was really

19:05

ready to get out of there because it was like

19:07

a it was some days,

19:09

bro Petino, Man,

19:12

it was it was something I was like, I w was trut

19:14

to stay in school. Man, this's crazy.

19:16

We're pressing from the start of the game like it

19:18

was crazy. But that college energy

19:20

don't transfer, man, happen

19:23

for a reason. That was all good.

19:26

It's crazy. It's crazy. Look at your career. High

19:29

ended to say that you started your first four

19:31

seasons playing for four different teams. Talking

19:33

about that it was tough in the moment

19:36

a lot of times because I worked

19:38

my ass off like I never was like the

19:41

dude that like I wasn't working or

19:44

like you know, I wasn't focused.

19:46

You'll know, I don't drink smaller. I'm living

19:48

right like I'm doing everything that's necessary.

19:50

Maybe you needed to have a guy right

19:53

right, right, Man,

19:56

I should have been hanging with you a little more up. But

20:00

now, man, it was it was I wouldn't

20:02

trade my my my flight

20:05

for nothing for nobody, you know, to

20:07

be able to come in, fall all the

20:09

way off, you know, and then

20:12

get off the mat and then scrap

20:14

all the way to the top, like I wouldn't trade

20:16

it for nothing. Like it made when we won.

20:20

It made it so much sweeter for me, you

20:22

know, because I always believe that

20:24

that's what I could do, and now I proved it to

20:27

everybody. So it was

20:29

it was a beautiful journey. You're a big brother to me

20:31

and a lot of others. Who was your old gs when you came

20:33

in, you know, when I came in. And it's funny

20:35

it ties back into the last question. Like one

20:37

of the reasons while

20:40

my career ended up actually changing

20:42

is when I went to Minnesota, I got the chance

20:44

to be there with two people, Sam Mitchell

20:47

and to real Brandon. And

20:49

Sam was so big for me just

20:51

in terms of like everything,

20:53

like this dude used to be you know, we was young. We

20:55

were young. We want to be in the club. We're kicking

20:58

it. He'd be dressing up, going

21:00

to these lunch meetings and all of them like, yo, what

21:02

you're talking about in these meetings. So Sam was

21:04

a vet at this time, not a couple. No, he's

21:06

just the old hit on the team.

21:09

So he was like one day he was like, you need to come

21:11

with me and just don't even say nothing, just sit down

21:13

and just see what's going on. And

21:16

man, it just taught me so much, Like

21:18

about the transition. I'm

21:20

like, this dude was a really a grown man like

21:22

this, you know what I'm saying, talk how to

21:24

dress to all of that. He taught me

21:26

so many of them things. And then basketball wise,

21:29

being able to learn behind Drell Brandon, who

21:32

was the craftiest, smoothest,

21:36

smartest, like he was incredible.

21:40

So learning how to watch film, learning how to

21:42

study my opponents, learning, you know, just

21:44

breaking down everything. The dude took so much

21:46

time with me and it changed my

21:48

life. It changed my career. So them

21:50

them dudes, I own a lot of respect and credit

21:53

then was my ol gs. It's funny

21:55

because we've had a chance to talk to a lot of former

21:57

players this trip, and and something

22:00

Jack and I have been talking about as the lack of vents in

22:02

the league. And it wasn't even so much

22:04

too. You know, some are on the court, some weren't, but they

22:06

were teaching these life lessons. They were

22:08

teaching you how to dress, they was teaching you how to move,

22:10

They was teaching you life after And

22:13

you know now that roster spot is so valuable for

22:15

every team that that's our thirty

22:18

three now, not thirty seven, thirty eight like when we

22:20

came in. Yeah, and the game

22:22

really changed when they took that out of because,

22:24

like you said, it didn't even become about

22:27

them playing. Now,

22:30

man, you look at you know what Miami's done with

22:32

you you know, um and

22:34

he just raising there are

22:36

guys every single year into that culture

22:39

on them count a big deal, huge,

22:41

a big deal, and they kind of took that away.

22:43

So now now

22:46

as a coach, I understand

22:48

what that is. So now I'm playing, I'm wearing

22:50

so many different hats with

22:52

the little dudes. You know what I mean, like, I'm that

22:54

guy. You hired people around

22:56

you that could be that guy like you just you have to

22:58

find a way to like to

23:01

make it that way because we need it.

23:03

Yeah, for sure in Minnesota the first

23:05

year as you make the playoffs. What was it like playing

23:07

with kg Man, that dude, as

23:09

y'all know, like, just never

23:12

I've never seen nothing like it. You know what

23:15

what you see on TV, what

23:17

everybody sees on TV is ever running around

23:19

cussing and going crazy all the time. The

23:22

intensity the investment that he

23:24

has into it is every

23:27

single day practice

23:31

shoot around, we're hooping

23:33

five on is. I've never seen nothing like it.

23:36

I really never seen nothing like it. So it was fun

23:38

to be able to play with him. You know, Um,

23:40

I thought he made me better, you know, by

23:43

way of just how he how he led the squad.

23:45

We had a good connection, man, We had a good little

23:47

thing. And that was at a time where my career

23:50

was really kind of hanging in the balance. So

23:53

it was an important part of my career being

23:55

there with with Tick. So I'm

23:57

thankful that's my that's my man. Summer

24:00

vote to five year deal to

24:02

go to Detroit. What made you choose

24:04

Detroit. I really wanted to stay

24:06

in Minnesota, to be honest with

24:08

you, because my career really kind of changed,

24:11

and Terrell Brandon was hurt,

24:13

so that's how my opportunity came. Well,

24:15

he was about to get back healthy and

24:18

m tired of bouncing around. Yeah,

24:21

man, I just felt like Detroit was on They

24:23

was on the up at that time. They had just went

24:25

to the second round of the playoffs.

24:28

They had been who was just got defensive

24:31

Player of the year, Corlas just got six

24:33

Man of the year, where Carlisle

24:35

got Coach of the Year. I just felt like they

24:37

needed a point guard. They had stack

24:39

at the time, but I knew, you know, we ended

24:41

up trading and getting ripped. But I

24:44

just felt like there was kind of a point guard away and

24:47

I was finally ready to

24:49

lead. I was finally I learned all I needed to learn.

24:51

I've been through that ship and

24:55

it was beautiful. Joe d was obviously the

24:57

go the head man and charge and learned up

25:00

and learn from him was killer.

25:02

So I just felt

25:04

good about it, man, And once

25:06

I got there, when I was ready,

25:10

never look back a new level. I think you hit

25:12

on something important right there, because a lot of us get

25:14

into the league, and a lot of fans don't understand this.

25:17

Younger players maybe playing and getting minutes,

25:19

but when do you your life turned down? What's that you're

25:21

five year six for you? It takes

25:23

a good three, four or five years

25:26

to really understand the NBA

25:28

game. And people understand that you can get thrown in the fire

25:31

and play well here and there, but understand

25:33

the intricacies of the game. It takes a handful

25:35

of years. Well it does. And and the

25:37

irony of it is, say,

25:41

say when I went to Boston, they just threw me the ball

25:43

and just let me hoop right like

25:46

they do a lot of people. Well,

25:48

yeah, I would have got numbers, I would have got

25:50

bad I would have got all of that. But

25:53

when you have to get on the team and

25:55

you've got to learn how to like actually play

25:57

with other good players and know what it takes

25:59

to win, that's a that's

26:02

a totally different deal. So I

26:05

was forced to kind of do that. Most

26:07

top picks that go to tough or

26:10

bad teams, they don't

26:12

really learn how to win. They don't learn what it

26:14

takes to be a real winner in the game.

26:17

But you know, I was

26:19

lucky Carlisle gets fired

26:21

and No. Three despite finishing the

26:23

number one seed, coach Larry

26:25

Brown comes in. What change

26:28

when he came in? Larry is

26:30

so funny. One of my college coaches told me back

26:32

in college, like, you need to play for Larry Brown one day,

26:35

and I didn't know what that meant. And I

26:37

always just heard about tough. This

26:39

dude being really tough on point guards Man

26:41

Man Man and Larry Man. I

26:44

love him to death, I really do. But

26:46

I lost a lot of sleeping with Larry Man.

26:49

Straight up. I lost a lot of sleep.

26:51

I usul to come back from trips. One time. One

26:54

time I came back from a trip. My

26:56

wife was in to be a sleeping I wake up them

26:58

like babe, tired as hill,

27:01

right, I said, but I gotta talk

27:03

to you. So I started talking.

27:06

I'm going right, I'm just talking about him, man, what

27:08

I'm going through. I look over.

27:10

She knocked the funk out right. I

27:12

just kept talking, bro, just yeah.

27:16

But this dude, man, Larry Like, he taught

27:19

me so much. He may so

27:21

demanding, he's relentless and

27:24

um, but he cares though, he

27:26

really does care. Um. And

27:28

he made our team into what it was.

27:31

Uh. But I learned a lot from him, but it was it

27:34

was tough. It was some some real tough lessons,

27:36

but I'm grateful for him. The guard

27:38

position in the two thousand's, I mean d Way,

27:40

Kid, Iverson, Baron g

27:42

p CP three, nash

27:45

Um Gilbert, who was

27:47

some of the funder matchups you look forward to. Man,

27:52

all of those dudes were so good. They

27:54

was all fun because it was all different, you know, Like

27:57

I would say my toughest Matt's

28:00

was probably well one of them

28:03

was Chasing Ai. He's

28:06

just I mean, he's just a nightmare because

28:09

you could hear him like, you know, I'm physical. You

28:12

can hit him as hard as you're gonna

28:14

keep coming. He ain't never gonna lay

28:16

down, you never get tired.

28:19

He was just he was. He was a beast. But

28:22

then you got guys like like

28:24

gil who was as big as me,

28:26

but he's fast like AI, and

28:29

he shoot from where they're shoot him from

28:31

now, and he don't got no conscience

28:33

given you know what I'm saying, Like he asked you

28:36

like he don't care. So he was tough

28:38

like obviously d Wade

28:40

and Stephen Marbury was always

28:42

really tough. B D nightmare

28:45

you know like it was

28:48

was a problem. Bro b d was incredible

28:51

and he could guard though like both

28:53

sides, so not a lot of dudes was really as

28:55

strong as me. He was and

28:57

he was athletic. There

28:59

was a nightmare. Every night was crazy. It

29:02

was crazy. So initial

29:04

thoughts, Detroit has a number two pick, you

29:07

got a chance to get Carmelo Anthony.

29:09

We talked to him about this ship and he his

29:12

whole energy chains. The thought of what would

29:14

have happened if I would have got drafted by Detroit. You

29:17

guys take dark Oh obviously took a chance. Didn't

29:19

work, but you guys had a hell of

29:21

a team. But imagine that team

29:23

with Carmelo Anthony.

29:26

Oh my goodness, man, what was your guys

29:28

initial thought process? Though? When it happened, we all

29:30

thought we was taking Melow. We all

29:32

was on deck and we was always on board. We all thought

29:35

Mellows, mellow, mellow. We excited. It

29:38

was perfect. U. Obviously we had a

29:40

team. We took Tashawn a year before, but they

29:42

would have been perfect

29:44

six man, he didn't do whatever

29:47

you know, um so I thought we was

29:49

perfectly built to have Melo.

29:52

Um So what you're starting lineup

29:55

would have been if Mellow would have came, Mello

29:57

would have been at the three um

30:00

richeously ripped myself being

30:03

we didn't have sheet at the time. Later

30:06

season, yeah, during the by

30:08

the end of the season, so it would have been she been Mellow

30:11

and rip with Tayshawn coming off the bench

30:13

doing everything. It would have been crazy. Here's

30:15

the here's the interesting question. I say this all the time.

30:18

So if

30:21

we do get Mellow, when

30:25

was Brown gonna ever take over? Because

30:29

people forget Mellow was neck and neck with Bron

30:31

rookiev rookie season. But

30:34

now we're in the same division. But he has you,

30:36

you have a he has a way better support system with y'all.

30:39

That's what I'm saying. Now heat now he

30:41

gonna get raised right in the game.

30:46

His whole directory of his career changes narrative

30:49

on him, his legacy. So I'm saying,

30:51

Bron is Bron and we all know he's incredible

30:54

on the Mount rushmore, but

30:57

when was he ever gonna beat and

30:59

better than y'all with Mellow?

31:02

You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's a it's an interesting

31:04

question. Yeah, but yeah, we all

31:06

thought we was. We all thought it was Mellow. We was taking Mellow.

31:09

Damn who was the gym at the time, Joe

31:11

Dumars Damn, Joe d

31:17

Yeah, yeah, that's tricky up.

31:19

I guess go ahead, Jack, two thousand four

31:21

finals, the old world say you didn't have a shot.

31:25

No, y'all wasn't thinking that. What was that? What

31:27

was your training thought? We're here, it's

31:29

funny, man, but we thought they didn't have a shot.

31:32

M hmm, like for real

31:34

though, not even know nothing cocky though, Like

31:36

we was just we felt like the way that

31:38

they played and the way

31:40

that we played, we was a team dog like we knew

31:43

that, yeah we can't stop Cold, we

31:45

can't stop Shock. Then they're

31:47

the best two players in the whole series. But

31:50

our game plan was

31:52

gonna be thorough, and we

31:55

knew that they couldn't stop picking rows with

31:58

me and they couldn't stop rip on in downs.

32:00

So we knew that we had two things that no

32:02

way that they could stop it. We can get a good shot

32:05

anytime, and we

32:07

knew we was just gonna trap the hell out of Colde

32:09

and we was gonna play Shock straight up and try to stay out

32:11

of foul trouble. We was gonna be fine.

32:14

I really really felt like there was no way that they could

32:16

beat us in the series. I said, and told

32:18

my wife that before the series. She laughed

32:20

at me. She even laughed

32:22

at me like, man, what Yeah.

32:26

Ham was sitting here earlier today and he just

32:28

said he felt like something was off with

32:30

them, a little bit between their big they're

32:33

big two, and you guys seen it and just

32:35

went to work on it. Yeah, we played into

32:37

that, like for instance, like I'm

32:40

sitting there, like we we know that we could beat them.

32:43

It wasn't a talent thing. We didn't have the

32:45

best talent in the series. We had the best team

32:48

and we did play on that. You know, at

32:51

that time Cod had

32:53

one finals m v P. It's always

32:55

been shocked. We knew they had

32:57

their little thing, and we really played

32:59

into the you know, we really did, Like

33:01

we we trapped Code. Code was really

33:03

frustrated with us trapping him. We

33:06

played shock Man and man shot

33:08

getting thirty five and eighteen.

33:10

But we're keeping them on the floor because

33:12

we going at you know what I'm saying,

33:15

like our game plan was really

33:17

good. It played in today's Psyche. They

33:19

didn't really let g P or the

33:23

Karl Malone. They didn't throw them the ball. They didn't let

33:25

them do nothing. You know what I mean, You know what the

33:27

triangle was. So we had

33:29

to worry about code, worry about shock

33:31

everybody else. We just stayed close. They don't

33:33

have no freedom. We just

33:36

had too many weapons. We had too many weapons,

33:38

and we just had we played faster. We

33:42

was just a better basketball team. You

33:44

have a twenty one five shot, four to seven

33:46

percent from from three, and want to find his m v

33:48

P big shot, she said, his

33:50

whole life flash when the buzzer sounded. Talk

33:54

about that knowing you were a champion. Yeah,

33:57

yeah, that that was obviously

33:59

my shoting moment in my career.

34:02

She would say the same, riprote everybody

34:05

would say the same, because

34:07

that's how we played for you know, for

34:09

the win. You know, that's that's how I

34:11

grew up in the game. Is you

34:13

talked about going against other guys and

34:15

competing against other guys and all those

34:17

names you listed. The

34:19

only thing as a point guard that matters is winning.

34:22

So if I win. So you you got

34:26

and twelve, I

34:28

got eighteen and eleven, but

34:31

I won. I want to match

34:33

him. That's how I'm built though,

34:35

what I mean, So like all I cared about

34:38

was winning, and I always

34:40

felt like I could lead. I always felt

34:42

like I could be a great player, and so in

34:44

that moment, I validated

34:47

that for not only for myself, for everybody.

34:50

So it was it was my shoin and it was

34:52

my shining moment. It was the best moment, you

34:54

know, my best sports moment in my life as

34:57

being able to win it. I didn't even care about the finals

34:59

MVP. I would wasn't gunning for that. I just

35:01

want to be a champion. I wasn't

35:03

gonna for that at all. I didn't care about that. I

35:05

wanted to be know I didn't.

35:08

I didn't care about that. I want to be a champion. So

35:11

that was the That was the best feeling in the world.

35:13

It was. It was the greatest. She said.

35:16

They stayed up and ran the damn

35:18

all night, back and forth all night

35:20

all night. I still didn't drink. You

35:24

know what's crazy is I told the

35:26

funniest thing I told. I promised

35:28

See that I would smoke with him

35:30

if we won, and I promised bending them

35:32

that I drink. Didn't do either. So we

35:35

won, right, I

35:37

was like, I ain't doing it because

35:39

you know why, I don't want to forget about

35:41

nothing that happened tonight. Yeah, that's gonna

35:44

you know what I'm saying. I don't want to be too. I don't want

35:46

to be nothing. So it was just from

35:49

until the next morning was just straight had

35:53

watching everybody be crazy, laughing

35:56

at everybody. Yeah that's

35:58

crazy. Give me uh. I

36:00

had to actually this too, But malice

36:02

in the Palace? Yeah, what was going

36:04

on through your mind doing all that?

36:07

That shup? It was sad, man, It was really

36:10

sad because it was just

36:12

unfortunate, bro, because it was it wasn't

36:14

really a good game at the time. I mean, y'all cracticue

36:16

y'all was playing with a different little chip than we

36:19

was at the time. And

36:22

I say this all the time, like it wouldn't

36:24

have if if Ron would have just

36:26

fought to do they wanted to fight him,

36:28

it wouldn't have been no malicson. We gave

36:31

to people what they wanted, just

36:33

fight to do that grabbed you on your neck. If

36:36

we just did that, we wouldn't be talking about it this year.

36:38

We've just been like, damn that they boys got

36:40

at it. That's it, that's it, which

36:42

was what the league used to be anyway.

36:45

But if that didn't happen, you

36:47

know, um, And it was really unfortunate

36:49

because what most people don't know is

36:52

that even though when were in the battle,

36:56

it's on, but we all friends,

37:00

homies, that we work out in the summer, like we all

37:02

cool. So that's what

37:04

the world don't know. And

37:07

what the perception is that we

37:09

was fighting, y'all. The

37:11

reality is none

37:13

of us fought at all. It was the fans

37:16

fighting, y'all, and it was everybody else

37:19

like wait, hold on, but

37:22

you know, perception is everything,

37:24

you know, But it was unfortunately. Remember getting

37:26

back to our locker room and

37:28

Larry Brown, our coach, was sobbing

37:32

crying like somebody died. And

37:34

when he finally came to, he

37:37

was just like we gave the game a black

37:39

eye, know what I'm saying. So

37:41

like it was just sad man. My my

37:44

daughter who's in here right now, my my

37:46

wife, my two two dollars at the time now

37:48

three. But they was there, the

37:51

Hans boys was there, everybody crying. It just

37:53

was crazy. So it was unfortunate,

37:56

man, it really was. Unfortunately. Blockbuster

37:58

Trade was an eight involving

38:01

you for Alan Iverson. What was your

38:03

first reaction to the trade, I

38:05

was surprised. I was surprised

38:07

because, um, you

38:10

know, they told me I wasn't going nowhere again

38:13

again for like a fifth time. Especially

38:17

you know, you kind of believe it at that moment, and for what

38:19

all I did for the you know, for the organization

38:21

for the city. So I was surprised.

38:23

I was Remember I was in Charlotte. We

38:26

was four and oh at the time started season.

38:28

I was getting dressed, um

38:30

for shoot around. My

38:33

wife called me and she was

38:35

like, what's going on. I'm like, what

38:37

you mean? She was like, turn

38:39

on Sports Center. That's

38:41

how I found out I got traded from the Troite bro going

38:44

across. You were in the locker room. No,

38:46

I'm in my hotel getting ready for getting ready

38:48

for shoot around in the morning.

38:51

So that's how I found out, which you

38:54

know how you yeah,

38:58

it was. It was. I was really surprised by it.

39:00

Broke up a lot of stuff. I mean, we

39:03

was ripped still. Everybody was still. Dan

39:05

was gone, you know. But um,

39:08

yeah, I was really surprised by I was hurt by

39:10

it too. You know, I love the Troy.

39:13

You know, that's that's where that's

39:15

what it is. You know, I got I got a

39:17

huge affinity for that city, for the organization,

39:20

but you know, business happens. You know,

39:22

business happens. And I

39:25

then kind of just readjusted my lens when

39:28

I went to Denver. It was

39:30

really it was just chuck for

39:32

me, you know. And Um

39:35

then was all my boys too, Kmar

39:37

Bird, Mellow Swiss

39:40

Jr. So much my guys, but

39:42

they had never won more than one game

39:45

in a playoff series in like seven years,

39:48

and I'm like, why

39:50

all this talent? So I just looked

39:52

at it as a great challenge for me, um

39:56

to really just kind of put my ism

39:58

on the situation. But home on top

40:00

of it though, and I'm at the house. I'm

40:03

at home. It was just a beautiful

40:05

thing, even though I never wanted it to happen. So

40:07

I just want to take full advantage of it and see

40:10

how far we could press it. What's

40:20

it like playing now? You get your chance to play with Prime

40:22

Mellow. You guys both make the All Star Game in the

40:24

first year together. What was he like?

40:27

Man? It was so much fun. I feel like

40:29

at the time I was like thirty

40:31

two into my prime. Still

40:33

good, but I can't really carry

40:36

the team but he could carry it every

40:38

night, and so I really needed

40:40

him, you know what I mean, I really needed

40:42

him. And he was unstoppable.

40:45

Don't understand he could give it to you on three levels

40:47

however you want it. I mean, it was incredible. This

40:50

dude was the most talented dude I ever ever

40:52

seen, ever played with UM,

40:54

and I needed him after that time in my career,

40:56

and he obviously needed me too. So it

40:58

was a perfect was literally perfect.

41:01

And he listened and Mellow he never

41:04

missed a practice, He practiced hard. He come to

41:06

work every day. It

41:08

was beautiful. I just was like, damn, what why

41:10

they can't get over the hump? But then you know,

41:12

you start, you start to just make people refocused.

41:15

And I come in you know how I come, You know how I

41:17

am anyway over every day with it. So I

41:20

think they kind of understood, like damn,

41:22

it's a little shriff, like we

41:24

gotta we gotta square up a little bit. And

41:27

it was, man, it was. It was so much fun. It ended

41:29

up being one of my most fun seasons. Um

41:32

being able to turn that help turn that

41:34

thing around two thousand nine, the number two seeds

41:36

in the West, Mellow Jr.

41:39

Kmart nay name. You guys

41:41

are really I feel like you guys have a chance

41:43

to win the championship. Yeah, you guys run

41:45

into Code in the Western Finals. Talking us about

41:47

this series. Man, that series was so

41:50

good. It was so good. I felt like, um,

41:53

I felt like the winner of that series is gonna win it all. That

41:55

was the finals. That was it. That was it,

41:58

And we did a good job. We

42:00

stole one of the games, one

42:02

of the first two games. The really good

42:04

job. And it was crazy

42:06

because even the game a couple

42:08

of the games that we lost where it was

42:10

on the line. Man, it was like end

42:13

of the game, I can't get the

42:15

ball and bounced type situation right

42:19

two times Tom Trevor stole

42:21

it one tim of Hello Lamar deflected

42:24

in and so like it.

42:27

Man. It crushed me, man, because we we would

42:29

have we would I feel like we would we

42:31

would have smacked Orlando that series.

42:34

Um that next series, just like the

42:36

Lakers did. But yeah, no, it was seeing

42:40

mellow and and Cole really go

42:42

at it has fun. It

42:44

was fun to be a part of that. It was really fun

42:46

to be a part of that and see that was history.

42:49

Because Cole was

42:51

he was so determined to

42:53

win the championship without

42:56

shock. I mean he was literally

42:59

when they when ate it was game six, the

43:02

game got away, bom.

43:04

You know how to check the starters out to the fans

43:06

can so they're checking us out,

43:08

so you know, go up to him, tell

43:11

him good luck, good job whatever. He was crying,

43:13

bro crying, like tears

43:16

crying. He was so happy to be

43:18

going to the finals and he was he was crying.

43:20

I was like, the dude is different too, man,

43:23

That's that's incredible. Traded to the Knicks

43:25

and eleven with Mellow. Kmart felt like

43:28

if Mellow had went, although he's a big

43:30

piece and they were able to keep you,

43:33

you guys still had action in Denver. Did

43:35

you feel the same way? Yeah, I agree, I agree,

43:38

um, because we still had a lot of talent. We

43:41

played a lot of games without Mellow that year.

43:43

He had got hurt a few times, and

43:46

I think we went like twelve and one or something without

43:48

him, but we still was good.

43:50

Little Ty Lawson was was the reok. He

43:53

was just trying to raise him and he was tough at

43:55

the time, you know, and he stopped

43:57

a little dude. So I do I

43:59

agree with came are like we still would have had a really

44:01

good team because we have won the championship. Probably

44:03

not, but we would have been a problem though.

44:07

Spent two season in l A. That

44:09

that that young Clipper team that was trying to find

44:11

an identity. Tell

44:13

your achilles there. But we

44:15

had so much talent. What do you think was

44:18

our biggest issue or are a few of our

44:20

issues? We did have so much talent,

44:23

Matt and we have vets. I

44:26

think our biggest issue there was

44:29

um our young

44:31

guys, which was Chris was kind

44:34

of young but not much but like DJ

44:37

and Blake. So those are those

44:39

those was are that was the franchise, those

44:41

three guys. I don't think

44:43

that they were mentally ready to win.

44:46

You know, they were still young. They were still like

44:48

needing to get paid and All

44:51

Star wars everything, and you

44:53

can't when you're trying to win. You can't worry about stuff

44:55

like that. As we know, you can't

44:57

worry about it, even though that matters. You

45:00

gotta be chasing the chip, not All

45:02

Star. And that was always

45:05

a little bit of dissension between

45:07

Chris and Blake and DJ.

45:11

You know, it was Blake and DJ show and

45:13

then Chris comes in and everybody's

45:15

Chris Paul everything, and it's

45:18

you know, it's tough. And I saw what I mean,

45:20

when I saw what I saw DJ start getting better too. So

45:22

now he wasn't Now he was competition too.

45:25

You mean, first it was Live City with Blake

45:27

and Blake's all over all the commercials all start

45:29

his team, CP comes in, CP

45:32

helps DJ take his game to the next level. Now

45:34

DJ's All Star consideration,

45:36

Olympic Team, Defensive Player

45:39

of the Year consideration. So it was it was really

45:41

the accolades amongst them three. It's

45:44

an interesting take, yeah, yeah, but

45:46

they were man so good

45:48

when we when we were on when we were on point, though, unbelievable,

45:51

right, unbelievable. I enjoyed

45:53

that time, man, I really enjoyed the two

45:56

to like I heard, I enjoyed it. You

45:59

called the kids quits, and what

46:02

was it? The time factor? You just knew it was time snack.

46:05

I just didn't have nothing left, man. You know

46:07

when I told my achilles um,

46:10

I wanted to make sure that I just went out

46:12

on my own. But I was never the same.

46:14

I mean it was seventeen

46:16

years. I gave it all I

46:18

had, you know, and I felt that way

46:21

when it was time. I'm like, man, it's just it's

46:24

just time. I ain't got nothing left my

46:26

my goal to They in front of me. I can't

46:28

get away what I'm saying. They

46:31

blocking my pull up. I'm weak. I'm weak,

46:35

Like I gotta it's time to go. It's

46:37

time to go. You

46:40

know, you gotta know when you nasty idea,

46:43

But you gotta know when you gotta. You

46:45

gotta just get on out the way. Some people don't.

46:47

These dudes is fast. I

46:49

can't stand in front. I'm like, man, I'm gonna,

46:52

I'm gone. When did you buy your first

46:54

windows? And how many do you own? So?

46:56

I retired at fourteen in

46:59

team um

47:03

uh man, I am

47:05

so lucky to have business partners. I have in Junior

47:07

Bridgeman, who is uh, anybody

47:10

don't know who Junior Bridgeman is. Homework

47:13

through your homework. This dude became

47:15

one of my biggest mentors. Um

47:19

and I just learned so much from this guy. Used to

47:21

fly to Louisville, Kentucky, which is where his

47:23

headquarters is, like three summers in

47:25

the row to just like be a fly on the wall.

47:28

Just learned. We ended up buying

47:31

and getting so were on thirty one wend

47:33

these restaurants now, probably

47:36

gotta do another three or four in the next few

47:39

year or two. But um,

47:41

yeah, man, I'm lucky to be in that little

47:44

situation. I learned so much, you know, from

47:46

him, And I love being in

47:49

in the franchise and business and fast food

47:51

business, being able to give

47:53

a lot a lot of people jobs that

47:57

the whole world deemed, you know, different.

48:00

So um, I'll take a lot of

48:02

pride in that I got

48:04

five daughters plus the bonus

48:06

daughters. You got three girls. How does it feel being

48:08

a girl? Dad? I love it. I love

48:10

it. I love it. I really don't. So proud of my girls,

48:12

man. Um

48:15

My one is twenty four. My oldest is twenty four.

48:17

She's just got her masters a couple of months

48:20

ago. Um, she's

48:22

off working for the Bucks now, doing

48:24

a great job. My middle daughters twenty

48:26

one, she just got her

48:28

bachelor's from UFC a couple of months

48:30

ago. She's a professional dancer

48:33

now. And my youngest is sixteen,

48:36

so she's a junior um in high

48:38

school. And I'm just proud of him.

48:40

Man, you know, I'm proud of him. My wife

48:42

did a great job. I know you know, I'm

48:44

on the road tasting greatness my whole life, you

48:46

know, day, whole life. So

48:49

to have my wife be able to step up and do her

48:51

thing, and I did all the best I could do, you

48:54

know, but I'm proud. I'm really proud of him.

48:56

For sure. We're gonna go on the quick.

48:58

Here's five Dinner Guest Dead Live.

49:01

Mm hmm. I

49:06

want Malcolm X and Martin Luther

49:08

King at the table. I

49:11

won't pocket at the table. You're

49:13

gonna fox something up. It's gonna be on. It's

49:16

gonna we're gonna talk about some real red and we're

49:18

gonna have a real rap. Who

49:20

else? I miss my grandpa

49:22

man, A lot of my grandpa. That makes

49:25

for real, for real, I say,

49:28

I would say, uh, Nelson

49:30

Mandela nice.

49:33

We gotta help with dinner. I gotta I don't

49:35

know where we're going dinner. H

49:39

an album you can listen to with no skips.

49:42

Man, I'm going right now. Kendrick's new Joint.

49:46

It's tough, heavy,

49:49

talking about some heavy, heavy, heavy,

49:52

relevant things in the albums

49:55

incredible. What do you bro say? Don't say you don't

49:57

like it, just say you don't understand. Man,

50:00

it's incredible. I ain't skipping nothing. I'm

50:02

taking my time with him. Top

50:04

five point guards of all time, damn

50:08

obviously magic Zeke.

50:14

This one gets tricky, man, Jay

50:17

Kid, I'm going Jay

50:19

Kid GP.

50:24

That fish spot is always tricky.

50:27

J Kid g P. Yeah,

50:33

but I don't I don't not there yet. No,

50:36

No, he's there, but I don't

50:38

see him as a point guard though. I

50:41

think he's the greatest combo

50:44

guard to ever play the game. He

50:46

spends most of the time off of the ball screens,

50:50

but he plays the position, so let's

50:52

just we'll keep it official. He plays the position,

50:55

so you gotta give it to him. But the

50:58

greatest combo guard of all time, of all time. He's

51:00

in his own like there's there's

51:03

nobody else you can He's

51:05

in his own lane. You know what I'm saying, A

51:07

starting five of your former teammates,

51:10

you're the point guard. So who you got at the two, three,

51:12

four and five? M You

51:15

know, I really just picked my Pistons team. That's

51:22

how we get it. Actually,

51:25

Yeah, you're the best five and live longest man

51:27

Ron suspended. Oh man,

51:29

we're cracked saying we

51:31

only add one. You

51:33

see what happened? You know, you have. Y'all

51:37

have one crack at us, But you weren't

51:40

on the team we beat. Huh No, y'all beat him

51:42

year before. I wasn't on that team. Lucky

51:44

you. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't

51:46

that. No,

51:48

y'all was good, you know what, for real, for real,

51:51

y'all was nice, really nice

51:54

coming now. But y'all

51:57

ain't menally. Y'all were ready it.

52:00

That was too wild. We had everything. We're gonna play

52:02

in it that all day. Yeah, step

52:04

point you, we're gonna hit you. You're gonna hit us. Best check

52:06

you out. You know what I'm saying. Two

52:09

games If it ain't for that,

52:12

y'all wanted, y'all got, y'all got have doing the chip.

52:15

Yeah, that's a big piece though, that's

52:18

the main piece. That's the main

52:20

piece. Goons, skill

52:23

everything smart. Y'all had all that firecrackers

52:27

though you have too many, too many fires

52:31

fire crackers. Brother, never gave you niggas

52:33

money. First thing you're doing

52:35

the morning, last thing you're doing night. First

52:37

thing out doing the morning. Um.

52:42

But I usually get up on just kind

52:44

of sit on the side of my bed and just kind of think real

52:46

quick, you know. Sometimes I

52:48

pray, sometimes I don't, but I

52:50

just sit there and just kind of think, you know, like

52:53

what what's ahead of me? You know what I got today.

52:56

Most of the time, the last thing I do, I'll take

52:58

a shower and just go to sleep. But

53:01

in the morning I usually just sit the side of my bid and

53:03

just thank for a few minutes. Man, you know,

53:05

just just thankful, you

53:07

know what I mean, just what I got today? Like what's

53:09

going on? That's that's

53:12

kind of how it starting ended. If

53:14

you can see one guest on all the smoke, who would

53:16

it be? But you

53:18

have to help them, help us get your answers on the show.

53:21

I'd like to give you a request if you don't

53:23

mind, Well, we got

53:25

Junior Bridgeman. I

53:27

want to have him. We have no contact

53:30

with him, so that would be heavy. I could

53:32

probably get think. I think I think the world would

53:35

really suak that up. Man. One of the brightest

53:37

minds that people don't even know who he is. He is. He

53:39

really is funny, man. I wish I would have did

53:42

this earlier because he was just here. We just he was

53:44

just weak golf yesterday morning. Yeah, he's

53:46

flewing on his plane.

53:50

We played we went to Bobblaneers Memorial

53:53

and then because he played with him for four years, played

53:55

golf and left. But I'll come

53:57

together. I'll put it

53:59

together. Close it out, bro, you introduced us

54:01

close it Out. Thanks

54:04

my bro, Big Bro Shimes for

54:06

being on the show Man. We'll appreciate you. Know, we

54:08

always look up to you.

54:10

You know, me and you have some other stuff going on.

54:12

But to be a coach now Wright, what we thought

54:14

you should be are running the team. You

54:17

know, we knew you belong somewhere in that category.

54:19

But yeah, but nothing

54:21

but loving success to you. We appreciate

54:23

you coming on show, taking time broo

54:27

out. You already know, I already know. We

54:29

got we got some goodies, we

54:31

got some legends and

54:34

all the smoke collap for you.

54:39

Yeah, appreciate man. Well that's a rap.

54:42

Chauncey billups all the smoke shot.

54:44

Summer League two. You can catch us

54:46

on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the I Heart

54:48

Platform Black Effects. See

54:51

y'all next week