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Welcome Back Man, Episode five,

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All the Smoke, My Brother Jack

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back five, Stephen dig

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Jesse Jackson, and my man,

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Sweet louke Man, appreciate you brow

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in the building, give me a song on the off day. On off

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day, you did. So. You're fifteen,

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huh years

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straight out of high school. Yeah, I was

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with your That was in your rookie year. I was with you, right, yeah, yeah,

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neither of us playing chilling

0:38

both that, Like, it was different

0:40

for me because I was just happy to be there. He

0:43

was like, what then is going on? Yeah?

0:46

Yeah, I mean that was we have from Rose to you know

0:48

what I mean, to the greatest show on on the court.

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For a minute. Tell me what it

0:53

was like coming straight out

0:55

of high school. I'm sure you looked up the AI and

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then playing with him and having him as a mentor

1:00

fresh out of high school. Yeah, for me,

1:02

it was it was mind blowing because

1:04

I spent like, uh, my whole high

1:06

school career like modeling my game

1:09

after this dude. Like he's literally the reason why

1:11

I even started getting tattoos, and he

1:13

was so influental, influential in my life and I

1:15

didn't even notice cat, you know what I'm saying. He was

1:17

just like a role model to me that

1:19

I didn't even know. And then going to the

1:21

league and it's like, oh, ship, that's my teammate

1:24

now. And then it's set in,

1:26

like what is he gonna like me? Like,

1:28

you know what I'm saying. In the first time we ever met

1:31

um, it was a Charlie mac Um celebrity

1:33

game in the summer, and he

1:35

was already he was already drafted by that I got drafted

1:38

and then invited me to come play in the game. So

1:40

I go up to Philly and then it's just

1:42

like this wave of people come in. You know, he keep

1:44

his unto rocked. Hundred people

1:47

come in. It's like motion, everybody going crazy,

1:50

and I see him and I just kind of freeze, and

1:52

out of all the people in the building, this

1:55

dude locked the eyes with me and like

1:57

walk directly to me and gave me a

2:00

hug. And that's been my big brother. Man.

2:02

That's that's a great FELM. I know it was, yeah,

2:05

man, just it's like, you

2:07

know what I'm saying, because like, all right, at least

2:10

he embraced me enough to you know, at least

2:12

speak to me, gett acknowledged by people. You look

2:14

up to. That's all. That's always because

2:16

I've had people let me down. Did I look up

2:18

to? Yeah? Talk real talk.

2:21

So what what was some of the stuff that you learned

2:23

early on, because you know, you're

2:25

a student before you actually got out there and got to do

2:27

it. What is some of the stuff you learned from him? But

2:30

just watching him every day from practice together

2:32

on the line every day, you know, just

2:34

you know, it's well documented how much how

2:36

many injuries that he played through, um,

2:39

all the pain that he played through, boken, broken

2:41

bones and everything. And you know, it's

2:43

unfortunate that you know, it always

2:45

be remembered about the practice thing. But it's

2:48

like he couldn't practice right, you know, he was so

2:50

banged up. What you wanted on the game

2:52

or you wanted to practice want, you know, but he

2:54

just he laid it on the line for his teammates every

2:56

single time he went out there. They don't understand, remember

2:58

the biggest elbow versus actually having

3:01

like tennis balls on his elbows every

3:03

day. Man. Just And it's funny now because

3:05

like it's gonna you're gonna be hard pressed to find a superstar

3:07

a practice these days anyway. Anyway, Right, you

3:10

know what I mean. It was just ahead of his time for

3:12

sure. Going into the season.

3:15

You like to kinda I mean, you stay in

3:17

Atlanta, you guys do that whole program

3:20

and you're real big on kind of working out

3:22

and getting ready. What is that like for you year

3:24

in year out? Seeing that you know where

3:26

you started and where you came from. You need to change

3:28

the program name though a

3:31

little will program. I mean to me, I compared

3:33

to like Jamal Croft, that's like I

3:36

played with it. I mean, I see it one

3:38

he gets fifty on one leg. If you want to

3:41

league, we'll keep you humble. But you know we

3:43

have to put some work in play

3:46

with me. He's part of the crew. So but

3:48

it's cool, man. It's an opportunity. We

3:50

played out on the West side of Atlanta's opportunity

3:52

for young kids that they probably don't make it

3:54

to Philips Arena to see games and

3:57

don't get to see pro so to bring guys

3:59

in town. Um, they were able to

4:01

see prim Kyrie irving in

4:03

their neighborhood. You know, where you can walk

4:05

in the gym and he and they're putting on the show. You

4:07

know, you get to see that, You get to see a lot of

4:09

different guys that come through that gym, and so for

4:12

me to be a part of it, be a pillar run,

4:14

it's cool. Um, how do you find

4:16

out about PG? And Kauai was signing

4:18

like me, I think I kind of knew, you

4:20

know, from talking to Kauai a couple of days before. But

4:22

how did you find out? I didn't

4:25

know ship to be honest with. They

4:29

reached out to me. Management reached out and said,

4:31

ayum, we're gonna meet with

4:33

Kauai. UM, here's his number

4:35

if you want to say something to him. And I

4:37

was thinking, I'm

4:40

gonna leave this dude alone because you

4:42

know what's coming at him. Yeah, I'm like, I

4:45

don't think I'm gonna swee his his decision

4:47

either way, you know what I mean? And so I

4:50

text him and I just said, what's up killer this little

4:52

will? I know you're about to have your meeting. You got any questions

4:55

about the coaches or anything? Just hit me keeping

4:57

in one thousands possible and I left it and I left

4:59

it there. He said, bet, I'm gonna go into the meeting.

5:01

And I called you after he never called.

5:03

It was like three or four days went by. I was like, yeah,

5:06

I think I blew it.

5:10

Yeah. I was like, you know, because we had never actually

5:12

met, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, there, I

5:15

hope that wasn't part of it. And then, um,

5:17

I was in Vegas in the Summer League. And

5:20

it's funny, I had just seen Peg like

5:22

ten minutes before I've seen him.

5:24

He was he was playing uh

5:26

craps. He was shooting craps. I was

5:28

playing Roulette and we uh we

5:30

spoke. He kept moving and

5:33

then we were playing and then it

5:35

was just like a bus in the

5:37

um in the casino, and my man

5:39

came up and tapped me while I was while I was making my

5:41

best, he showed me its phone. So

5:44

it was like Kahi Leonard agrees

5:46

to play with the Clippers, and the Clippers

5:48

trade for Paul George. So I'm looking at like the

5:50

fuck and so I'm like, man,

5:53

go to World page. I

5:55

don't believe it until I see it on old So

5:58

we've seen it on old page. And my phone start

6:00

ring and it was Pat Bev and Pat

6:02

was in Vegas, Whitten, so he

6:04

was like yo. I was like, man,

6:07

come downstairs, I'm got the let's

6:09

say we'll go downstairs. So it was cool

6:11

and I saw that, Yeah, that was

6:15

a Cao tripping out. We had

6:17

a shot and then we kept gambler like, well, it's

6:19

exciting to have them, but we started dealing with that in training,

6:21

cap. Yeah, that's what's up. Tell me

6:23

what that coat, that whole culture is like. I

6:26

played there early. Um,

6:28

you know, I played at the end of the what's

6:31

the what's the dick CAD's name, at

6:35

the end of the Sterling era? Yeah, okay,

6:37

so that was that. That was right, you said. That was

6:39

right end of the Sterling

6:41

era and then into the Bomber era and it

6:44

was it was night and day. Tell me what the

6:46

organization is like now and the energy

6:48

around it. My experience has been so positive.

6:50

Um, just how I've been embraced

6:52

by the city, in the organization. You know, I was

6:55

at the crossroads in my career. Um,

6:57

I didn't even want to be a Clipper. You know. That

6:59

was the third team I had played for in six months,

7:02

and so at that point I just didn't know what was happening.

7:04

You know what I'm saying. That was my first time

7:07

kind of going through something like that in my career, and so

7:10

I just wasn't excited about getting bounced

7:12

around. UM, and I think Doc had sensed

7:14

that, and UM, you know, me and Doc

7:16

had had we had a conversation, UM,

7:19

and he just changed my perspective about being there.

7:21

And so I went into training account with an open minde

7:24

UM, and I went in with some guys

7:27

that was on the same page as me. You know, Pat Bell,

7:29

he's hungry to prove itself, hungry to

7:31

prove his name, make his name in the NBA.

7:34

Montrez was starting to come into his own. He

7:36

wanted to prove his name. We had young guys

7:39

coming in that wanted to be a part

7:41

of the culture, wanted to be wanting to be accepted,

7:43

and so I think we had like minds um

7:46

and going into the season. And even though um,

7:48

you know it didn't work out with Blake and Dre while

7:51

they were there, you know, the experience was positive

7:53

and so we just kept that momentum going. UM.

7:56

We communicate, we got problems, we got

7:58

we got grown in our locker room.

8:00

We don't do no rookie hazing U. We

8:02

like we you know, for me being a VET,

8:04

me being the o G and just looking back at you

8:07

know, how the league was carried I prefer

8:09

to just grow him up, like man, you

8:11

know what I'm saying. So I'm like, look, y'all, do your job,

8:13

y'all do everything y'all supposed to do. We ain't gonna

8:15

do all the Hazen ship. We're not gonna play them games with y'all.

8:18

We want you all to look like men. He was brought up in a different

8:20

time too. I was brought away. Yeah, he didn't really

8:22

played like that, you know what I'm saying of posting him

8:24

pouring water on my head. Other than that, I

8:26

ain't wearing no pink backpack. We

8:29

had that one incident on the bus at one time. Oh

8:31

yeah, but even then, that's

8:34

that's a whole different thing. Yeah,

8:36

I let Matt tell that I

8:39

got paid. You want me

8:41

tell whatever is that that that was?

8:43

We was heading summer, I don't know where. I don't remember,

8:47

but we made a bet that he had to drink a six pack. I

8:49

didn't drink at the time. He didn't drink here. He was fresh out of

8:51

high school as a kid. Still

8:53

look like a kid. How

8:58

much fun do you get? Teen

9:00

thousand? Man, give me a farty and give

9:02

me a six pack of parties? He made

9:04

a six pack of alcohol and he couldn't

9:06

drink a six packing on the bus ride, right.

9:08

It was quick though, it was drink

9:10

a six pack of beer before we got

9:12

on the plane for fit and Grant ship

9:16

that mother killed it. But

9:19

he was so wet that we almost

9:21

got like a little worried, like, damn, what the fun are

9:23

we gonna carry loo? You know what I mean? So we kind of he

9:25

kind of had his arms slumped on ai shoulder

9:28

and then me and see where it was kind of in front,

9:30

kind of just like he was out

9:32

of there. He was still there, but

9:35

he was, you know what I mean, Like he handed

9:37

himself well, but he was sucked up. So we

9:39

kind of had to like camouflage his ass

9:41

up onto the plane. But that

9:43

was kind of like from all I recalled, the only

9:46

time, yeah, because he got big bread off

9:48

it, you mean, But I think that was the only kind of time

9:50

we ever did any kind of rookie ship. We wasn't really

9:52

it was like you said, it was more on some grown man ship,

9:54

like handing your business workout. You're not playing

9:56

dude, you're supposed to do. But ship like that, that's

9:58

that's more of a wait, that's you.

10:02

You know what I'm saying, because there was a lot of rookies on that team

10:04

and they were exactly

10:06

exactly. Tell

10:08

me what it's like now. The

10:11

last year, I love the fact that you guys bought in, you

10:13

got you guys are one of my favorite team last year. I really

10:15

take pride in the Clippers because, like

10:17

you, I got a chance to play for the Lakers and Clippers. And that's

10:19

a whole another world. We'll get to that, but I

10:22

took pride in trying to put the Clippers on the map. And

10:24

it seems like once you guys bought in, that's

10:27

where you guys are at. So so tell me what what's

10:29

that like? Knowing that the Clippers have always

10:31

been a little brother. You've been on the other end. But tell me what it's

10:33

like taking pride and putting them on

10:35

the matter. Our mindsets are perfect for, our

10:38

personalities were perfect for. We like being

10:40

underdog. Y'all get hit us with these

10:42

six teen rings and all this, like it's cool, but

10:44

we're working on hours. Though we're working

10:46

on one day, we're gonna be be a part of

10:48

you know, and and we carry it and we embrace

10:51

it, you know, even though last year, we wouldn't

10:53

even expected to make the playoffs. We were a fifty win team

10:56

with no quote on quote superstar. But

10:58

like you said, we bought in. We try us to each other. We

11:00

loved each other, we love competing with each other for

11:03

the dogs. We have a team for the dogs. And then

11:05

you're bringing them to guys and it's like

11:07

you still got the same core guys, same

11:09

group of guys with that mindset, and you bring

11:11

in two of the top five players in the league,

11:14

you know, the skis and limits, and they have that. That's

11:16

what I loved about. That's why I picked you guys from the jump to in

11:18

the chain, because they don't have no egos, no agendas,

11:20

their motherfucker's go out there and play hard on both ends. That's

11:22

why I thought they fit. Because to me, it was a

11:24

tricky situation sucking up you guys, chemistry.

11:26

People on the outside, I don't understand how important

11:28

chemistry bringing in the superstar with

11:30

the ego or superstar and bullshit or

11:32

fuck the whole team up, you know. So that's why I thought it

11:35

was really strategic and important what you guys did,

11:37

bringing two selfless, two

11:39

way players to a team that aren't. We had a conversation

11:42

with them, like, listen, we're not confused about who

11:44

we are. It's like, yeah, I was the leading

11:46

score on this team past two years. I

11:48

know who y'all are. Now I'm gonna go

11:50

back in my place and I'm gonna still start in

11:52

my place, so we don't have no confusion

11:55

about nothing that we're doing, you know, And I think

11:57

that's the beautiful thing about our team, and you don't.

11:59

You don't get that much from guys in the league

12:01

either, you know what I'm saying, Like, just imagine

12:03

what that even though they the two stars, just imagine

12:05

what that did for them. You know what I'm saying, coming

12:07

in on a new team, and well, guys been needing to hear that

12:09

they're welcome up. I mean, that's one of one of the favorite thing

12:11

I remember about doctors, to be a star in your role,

12:13

and you mentioned it. So I'm gonna go back to my role

12:16

and I'm gonna be a starter that there's a role for everybody,

12:18

you know what I mean. Obviously your role changed slightly.

12:20

I mean, you're still gonna get your numbers, but you're just coming

12:23

from mentality, right, mentality

12:26

like I know I got two guys that

12:28

deserve the ball in scenarios that

12:30

I think I should have it as well, you know, last

12:32

game, And that's a good problem to have. Well, listen,

12:34

it's a good problem to have. Yeah, I come off a

12:36

pick and roll. You can't help. You can't do nothing.

12:39

I though a clean chest pass to the man

12:41

for the game. Yeah, you can easily took

12:43

your man one on one. You can't help. So

12:46

it's a good problem for us to have. Mentally,

12:48

if we're on the same page, the sky's the limit

12:50

up. So what do you what's your thought on this

12:52

team? You guys haven't really even fully come together yet,

12:54

but still you can tell even though I

12:56

think you guys are fourth in the West, it's early glimpses

12:58

of it. There's some saying flat like yeah, you see

13:01

glimpses of it. Like we played in Atlanta,

13:03

like we were sharp and it was like damn,

13:05

okay, you kind of feel it. It's like, yeah,

13:08

kind of feel it. And even when we have like rough games

13:11

and we have we have some we have some some

13:13

mistakes, we feel like it's communication.

13:15

It's like, what was you thinking on that? Oh?

13:17

I was trying to al right. Cool. So now we at

13:19

got to go through that no more. And so even when we

13:22

even when we have setbacks, we still build on it.

13:24

Yeah, it's finding ways how to win. That's part

13:26

of it though. Yeah. I know that from

13:28

the outside looking the MPG and CHOI kind

13:30

of quiet, like, who are the vocal leaders

13:33

on your guys team? Um? I

13:35

am and Pat for sure, you

13:37

know, but those guys they Yeah,

13:40

I think a lot of people got quite messed up. He's

13:42

a funny

13:45

he's good dude. Man.

13:47

He talks way more than I thought he did, especially

13:49

like doing games. He want

13:52

to win, but you want to win. To me, it's good though, to

13:54

have two point guards as

13:56

your most vocal on your team.

13:58

I was just about to say that. And then not only you

14:02

and Pat, y'all just not the vocal leaders. Y'all

14:04

a big part of that team. So to have y'all

14:07

being the head of the monster and to be the most vocal,

14:09

that's a big part, bro, you

14:11

know what I mean. I think a lot of the young guys on our team

14:13

they follow our lead, you know, because of how we

14:15

carry ourselves. What

14:17

are your thoughts when we came into the league at a different time,

14:19

I mean I played four teen, You played fourteen, you're

14:21

going in your fifteenth year, so you came back. You

14:24

came in in the early two thousands where there was no

14:26

such thing as low management, like we touched on of like

14:28

superstars practiced back then. You

14:30

know, good players don't even practice,

14:33

you know these days. So what is your thoughts, especially surrounding

14:35

Kauai because it's such a big deal with low management,

14:38

what is your thought on I don't well, see, I don't think he's

14:40

the He shouldn't be the case that he's

14:42

not the post boy post man, should he?

14:45

You know, if the man can't play, can't play. But if

14:47

they throw load management on it, it'll

14:49

be a problem. But even on games that's not the

14:51

back to bed, he can't play. So I don't think

14:53

he's the poster child for it. As far as guy's

14:56

just not playing for the hell of not playing,

14:58

I don't know about that. I'm a the old school. I

15:02

don't know. I still play for the kid that've never seen

15:04

me play before, you know, so if I can lace up,

15:06

I'm a lace up um.

15:09

And you know what else, man, the game is so different

15:11

now because it's it's so

15:13

many good players, so many good teams,

15:16

and everything has to be so strategic. You've got

15:18

the numbers involved in it. Now, you've got the analytics,

15:20

sports scientists. You got all this ship

15:23

in the game. And it's like, why have

15:25

all of these assets if you're not gonna use them?

15:27

So it's it's kind of fifty with me.

15:29

You know, if guys could play, I think they should

15:32

play. But you're spending all this money on this

15:34

science, man, and the science is telling you

15:36

X, Y and Z you might as well use it. Tell

15:40

me what's your thoughts on one and done? Should that? Should

15:42

that rule be eliminated? Should you be able to go out of high

15:44

school? And you I mean you're coming straight from the school.

15:47

There's the guys that's held this league up

15:49

are from high school. You had a famous quote

15:52

about you know who's kind of been

15:54

the pillars of this league and talk to

15:56

us about that. Yeah, KG, Kobe

16:00

Broun, these are the guys that carried this

16:02

business straight out of high school, you

16:04

know what I mean? Like, so what a year? What

16:06

is a year in college gonna do? Because if you're going

16:08

just for the year, you're not going for the education. You

16:11

know what I'm saying.

16:16

You know what I mean, And now you see the young kids,

16:18

they're going around it. They're going to prep school,

16:20

they're going to the going overseas,

16:23

they're doing all types of they're doing anything to not

16:25

go to I've never been a fan of the n C double as

16:28

you know, my my senior year in high school, I literally

16:30

couldn't find a reason to

16:32

go to college. So I didn't care where I was gonna get drafted.

16:34

I knew I wasn't going to nobody college. Waking up at

16:36

five in the morning trying to figure out how I'm

16:39

eating lunchtime. You know what I'm

16:41

saying. I just that never was a that

16:43

never was appealing to me, you know what I'm

16:45

saying. And I'm struggling to need

16:47

at home. Why I'm gonna go ten miles

16:50

ten hours away to go struggle up ten hours away

16:52

out of here. I'm struggling. Now, I'm happy

16:54

that they're starting to put some kind of

16:56

legislation in where uh

16:59

you know, these kids that have an opportunity to be able

17:01

to benefit off their own names and their

17:03

likenesses. You know, you go to the fans stores,

17:05

they're selling the jersey without your name on it.

17:08

You know, everybody is making money off of you. But

17:10

you you know what I'm saying. It's it's simple,

17:12

ship. It's like, all right, take the money out. I

17:15

don't even know how I mun eat. Like

17:17

your coach can't go buy you a nice dinner. That's

17:20

ridiculous to me, you know what I'm saying. So I think

17:23

I think the rule is stupid to have it one and done.

17:25

Um. You know, these the best guys are gonna

17:27

find their way into the NBA anyways. You

17:30

know, you know what I'm saying, So you might as well create a vehicle

17:32

for them to realistically live

17:34

their dreams and benefit you on the business

17:36

side as well. Would have been some of your favorite

17:38

moments throughout your career on the court? Favorite

17:42

moment the ten six million year, the ten

17:44

with the Tim Tropis you got it home? Yeah?

17:46

My first one was my favorite one. My

17:49

my first year two thousand

17:52

fourteen, I

17:54

was with Toronto and that one

17:56

was special because I was I was playing

17:58

in my hometown Atlanta, UM

18:00

toward my a c L and

18:02

my head coach told me like, I don't know

18:04

if you'll be the same player again, and you know,

18:06

it's just not working here. So I'm five a

18:09

home for you somewhere else, and then you

18:11

know, for them to kind of them to ship me to somewhere.

18:13

And when my first six Man of the Year

18:16

and my my one and only season there, that was

18:18

special to me and the group of guys that I

18:20

did it with. Three

18:23

I've won three and I've been a runner up twice and

18:26

I lost one to James Harden. That's bullshit.

18:31

So arguably, when you think about

18:33

it, coming out of high school, do you ever think you would be in

18:35

the toss of one of the greatest six men in the history

18:37

of the game. No. I thought I was been a superstar,

18:39

you know, don't we all think that? But yo,

18:42

yo, high school games was like some butter

18:44

rim type ship and so I felt

18:46

that way. It's like, I'm gonna be one of the best

18:49

players in the league. You know. My route took me

18:51

somewhere different, and so it took me a while

18:53

to kind of embrace it, you know what I mean,

18:55

because we all strive to be the best

18:57

player in the league. We all strive to be one

19:00

of the guys that's on on every commercial,

19:02

have your own shoes and all of that. You know,

19:04

Like years six or seven. I realized that was my

19:06

rote, you know, So I could either carry

19:09

this chip on my shoulder and be upset, or I

19:11

can carry this chip on my shoulder to say, I'm just gonna make

19:13

it embarrassing for y'all to have me coming off the bench, you

19:16

know, And I chose the letter. What

19:19

is? What is your thoughts on that though? Like if they say,

19:22

Lottle, what you wanna do you want to start to come off the bench? What would

19:24

you say? At this point?

19:26

I'm just I am who I am at this point,

19:28

you know what I'm saying. And you

19:30

know, doctor start me every once in a while and

19:32

just um, just to mix it up. But

19:35

I think it's just who I am now, you know

19:37

what I mean, just a six man. I mean, like

19:40

we know, at the end of day, it don't matter because you're

19:42

gonna play starters minutes something in the fourth

19:44

car. That's what

19:46

I tell people. You know, you don't

19:48

start, you started, like all that ship

19:50

don't matter, Like who is in at the last

19:52

two or three minutes of the game. It was the only thing. It affixes

19:55

the money, m It definitely affects

19:57

that. That's what it affects, you know. Because

19:59

people are you should be making this, You should making

20:01

that. That's another reason why I don't mean to cut you off. That's

20:03

another reason why I think the city appreciates you

20:05

so much, you know what I'm saying, because

20:08

they know you could have went somewhere else and got more

20:10

money. You know, everybody in the world know that

20:12

the answers of this buil didn't know that it wouldn't

20:14

I wouldn't have been happy though, like the places

20:16

that I had deals on the table. It just

20:18

it wouldn't have been fulfilling to me, especially

20:21

with everything that I had built with this particular

20:23

group of guys, you know what I'm saying. So I took

20:25

a little bit less than um what I

20:27

could have got, but it wouldn't have the money when

20:29

it did nothing for my happiness, you know, and especially

20:32

where I was in my life, my kids loving in

20:34

l A. I found a found

20:37

a home, you know what I mean. Like I said, I

20:39

played three teams in six months. I

20:41

didn't want to move again. Was that Lakers

20:44

Houston back to l A.

20:46

Tell me what that was like. Because we've both been traded

20:48

and bounced around, and that people

20:51

don't understand like family

20:53

wise, life wise, you just gotta pick

20:55

up and no matter what and moved. So tell

20:57

me what that and they can follow you and press Child's on

21:00

your every state too. Let me say that

21:03

I know that man. Well,

21:06

we talked about all kinds of ship on him bro every

21:09

stage to try to tap your hand. Let me get

21:11

some of that go ahead. That's

21:15

why I was at one point I

21:17

was going rare a lot. You

21:19

know, you need to put that put on your whole body. Just put

21:21

that bitch all the way on the topic. I had to clip,

21:23

I had to go forgive go ahead. But

21:29

it was it was a roller

21:31

coaster. I knew I was gonna get traded from the Lakers.

21:33

I knew that was coming. Uh.

21:36

I think the last game for All

21:38

Star break, I checked out

21:40

of the game and all the coaches stood up, was like, thanks

21:42

for everything you did. What Yeah,

21:45

like I think I think you know.

21:47

I was. I was like, this

21:50

is it? So who was coaching there? Luke

21:52

Luke wah yeah, so

21:54

you don't get me on his Yeah.

22:00

But I knew that was coming and so

22:03

UM I was working out All

22:05

Star weekend in Atlanta, UM

22:07

and got traded to Houston and

22:09

then UM Houston, I liked being there. Um,

22:12

I thought we could have did something special. I wish they had been

22:14

a little bit more patient with with the process.

22:17

Um I was in China, got traded

22:19

again, and so I was like, yeah,

22:21

I don't know what the fun is going on, you know what

22:23

I'm saying. And then they trade me to the Clippers. And then they

22:26

still had Jamal at the time, and so I

22:29

was like, you don't make no sense. Yeah, it don't

22:31

make like what are y'all trying to do? And then you

22:33

know, they started making some moves and

22:36

and like I said, I had that conversation with Doc Man

22:38

and every I think the whole course of my career changed

22:41

after that. You know, I've had my best shops in looking

22:43

back on my career, Like I funk with Doc. I

22:46

just think when I was there, he had

22:48

a lot of hats. So I want to say he was president

22:51

GM and you know what I mean.

22:53

So there just wasn't really there

22:55

was too much kind of whispering

22:58

and and not truth

23:00

coming to the surface, you know. I mean. But our particular

23:02

incident was, um, we

23:05

had just lost the Golden State. Um

23:07

and goes that they beat our ass and

23:09

Blake and DJ didn't have the best games, but

23:12

for some reason just that day he wanted to go at me

23:14

in the film room. And I'm someone you can coach with me.

23:16

You could yell at me, you could do whatever you want. You're just not gonna

23:19

disrespect me as a man. That's like where I d and funk

23:21

who you are. That's where I draw the line. So

23:23

he got mad at like the two shots I took.

23:26

I took two shots in the game. He like complained

23:28

off both, like I had a corner three that

23:31

I shot that I should have passed

23:33

to Blake when he was cutting down the middle, and and I had another

23:36

three points that I should have gave to Jamal. I'm

23:39

just looking at this to like, mother funk. I took two shots

23:41

and we lost by thirty. What the funk are you talking about?

23:43

You know what I mean. So it

23:45

was just a situation. It was kind of weird. And then he

23:48

came at me for something. I'm just like, yeo, man, fuck

23:51

this. So I like got up and everyone in the room

23:53

like, because I remember DJ was sitting

23:55

next to me, he like patting me on my leg like a little dog

23:57

to keep me calm, and which is funny. Because DJ

24:00

is I can feel sick, but he

24:02

it came from us though, because you know, DJ didn't

24:05

used to be that way. So I got up

24:07

and I was like, oh ship, and they're like, oh, chill, chill. So

24:09

I walked, you know how the film room. I'm over in the

24:11

corner and you gotta walk past the coaches to get out.

24:13

So I just man, I was got up

24:15

and I was just heated. So I walked out the room

24:17

and then I went in the back and like fucking I'm just gonna go home,

24:20

and I'm just like, no, I can't. I can't let my team

24:22

down like that. So I saw on the TV that we were done

24:24

with film and they're out on the court stretching. So

24:27

I went back out on the court, start

24:29

stretching, mad as fuck, not

24:31

saying nothing to nobody, and this this

24:33

motherfucker comes over me and tells me to flip

24:35

my jersey over and he's gonna put Jamal with the starters

24:38

and put me on the second team. So I

24:40

look at him and I took my jersey

24:42

off and I threw it. He's like, put your jersey back, goes

24:44

like these motherfucker's know what team I'm on, so

24:47

I didn't have no jersey. The whole practice went out hard

24:49

killed in practice, and

24:51

then we played. I

24:54

was on one even some of the butt. See I

24:56

think Doc was one. Yeah,

25:00

yeah, he didn't like what he didn't like what almost happened

25:02

to him. But so

25:05

then we went hard in practice. You

25:07

know, some of the coach came up and talked to me, you

25:10

know, so you know it was just this and that trying to defuse

25:12

the situation. But you had coaches before like

25:15

that little exchange where you took your jersey off. They're

25:17

not doing it until you leave because

25:19

they can't accept that type of like

25:21

doctor, Doctor plays the players

25:23

coach and right because

25:29

you know, and yeah, he's gonna challenge

25:31

you. Some coaches I've been with down

25:33

they're gonna security get him utter.

25:35

It's like you're my coach, like security

25:38

bro. So and so I go home. We

25:40

played four than early the next day, and I can't

25:42

sleep the whole night, and I stopped smoking

25:44

too for a little bit, so night I started chain

25:46

smoking. Probably smoke like three or four joints

25:49

that night. Maddest Fun couldn't sleep,

25:52

got to the gym earliest, Fun started shooting.

25:54

We went to shoot around and before

25:56

we broke, like right when we brought it in, and

25:58

I just, you know, I just dogs like, you

26:00

know, you can coach me, you can yell at

26:02

me, you could do whatever, just don't disrespect me as a man.

26:05

And then you know, he said his part and it kind of started

26:08

getting heated, and he's like, you think you're

26:10

tough. I was like what, so

26:12

like it got super like he almost like

26:14

was trying to poke me. So it chilled

26:17

out. We went through shoot around and then we went back

26:19

in the locker room to watch film at to shoot around, and

26:22

Mike Woodsons tried to say something

26:24

and I was like, Mike, don't start, because you can get it too, you

26:27

know what I mean. So everyone calmed

26:29

down, and then Doc said some more ship to me and then

26:31

stormed off his office. So I stormed after him in

26:33

his office and everyone like trying to pull me back, and

26:35

we sat now and had a little conversation, but it was just a little

26:37

heated back and forth. Looking back on

26:39

it, you think, right,

26:42

looking back, I mean I funk with Doc, you know what I mean. Like I said,

26:44

I think I was going through a divorce at the time, so

26:46

I was kind of on edge. He was going through whatever

26:49

he was going through, so we was kind of on edge and we talked

26:51

obviously talked to and made amends. But

26:54

like you said, he is someone that you can have, that

26:56

you can go back at, and you gotta respect that

26:58

because, like you said, a lot of culture you yeah at, you cuss

27:01

that, and that's it. Yeah, you know, that was it

27:03

for me. I got traded. I was the first traded. The motherfucker

27:08

we care for Lance Stevenson and we ended up

27:10

on the same team that year. But you

27:12

know, to to see what he's done

27:14

for you guys. Like I said, I always loved him as a coach. I

27:17

just thought our differences was when he had

27:19

a lot of different hats and there was a lot of rumbles

27:21

in that locker room about you know, him not being

27:23

this and then his son coming in and all this others

27:25

not crazy kind of stuff. So it was just a a

27:29

feisty situation. But we had so much talent

27:31

on that team, like but we would always

27:33

get in our own ways. So that's why I'm excited

27:35

to see. Like I said, I still love the Clippers, so I'm

27:37

excited to see what you guys are doing. Now because I

27:40

feel like you guys have just as much,

27:42

if not more talented, Lob City

27:44

had obviously, but you guys have a real chance

27:46

to win the championship, you know, And I think that's dope

27:48

because it hasn't been done for that franchise. I

27:52

always wanted to know that because,

27:55

yeah, because y'all should have documented, you know what I'm saying

27:57

that, So when I've been around Dog, like

27:59

damn that ain't that have been my experience with you?

28:01

Know what I'm saying. And I know you. I know how cool you are,

28:04

but I know as a teammate fightst

28:06

you are. You know what I'm saying, how competitive you I saw. Always

28:09

just wanted to know, like what was your disconnection?

28:11

You know what I'm saying, because I like both of y'all. So

28:14

tell me what it was like playing with the Lakers

28:16

and getting the chest to play with Colde on his way out.

28:19

That was interesting being

28:23

out being excuse for getting that

28:25

being I need to pack that Kobe pack that just

28:27

dropped. It was three different shoes

28:29

and my boxes again like MJ, give

28:32

me my give me, this is my shoes. Second

28:34

Cold it's a new pack, undefeated

28:37

pack. That's what it's called. I need all them boys,

28:39

third, two fourths, you need four

28:42

team? What about MJ. He might

28:44

have never heard you from last We'll get back to them. It's

28:46

about Kobe right now now. I think,

28:48

Um, I wish I could

28:50

have played with Code like when

28:53

yeah, when he was cold, like I felt like he

28:55

could have did something special for my career. UM

28:58

number eight Code, Yeah, I

29:00

take an early I

29:05

don't. I just think it wasn't it wouldn't

29:07

manage right, you know. I think we could

29:09

have been a lot better than we were. It

29:12

kind of just turned into like

29:14

like some hard and globe try to ship like, you

29:16

know, because it was like at

29:19

first it didn't it wasn't the It wasn't the

29:21

farewell tour, you know, the

29:24

two season w not to get you off? Two season one season with

29:27

him? Did I play two seasons with Cole?

29:30

I didn't play two seasons? Yeah, yeah,

29:32

I did play two seasons with Code. So

29:34

but the first one he was he was, he was hurt the majority

29:37

of the town. Um. The second one,

29:40

uh, it turned into the farewell See it turned

29:42

to the farewell tour. And then at the same time

29:44

it was like they

29:46

were trying to develop the young guys, and

29:48

I was like, realistically, you can't. You

29:51

can't do both. You know, you can't

29:53

develop these young guys and then tell them

29:55

that like that ship don't matter when

29:57

the game starts, you know what I'm saying.

30:00

So it was just it just it wouldn't manage, It

30:02

wouldn't manage. Great. But as far as

30:04

uh, as far as Coke god Man, he was super

30:07

cool. Um. I enjoyed competing

30:09

with him, um, and just just

30:11

being around him. You know what I'm saying. It's just a different

30:13

energy when you're around him and you want to flow with him.

30:16

Yeah, I said, I mean I got a chance to, Like you played with Ai,

30:18

played with Chris Paul, super

30:21

competitive dudes. But to me, there's no one more

30:23

competitive. Yah See, I didn't.

30:26

We didn't get We didn't. We didn't get that part of the

30:28

experience. Like every once in a while,

30:31

yeah did he would say some ship did it. The

30:34

whole room was like, like we had

30:36

a he gonna be mad at this. We

30:41

got blue out uh in Portland's and

30:44

he came in the locker room and he was like,

30:47

from now on out, every time

30:49

down the court, I touched

30:51

the ball, y'all, gonna learn what it's

30:53

like to play with Kobe Bean fucking Frock

30:56

And I'm looking like

30:59

serious. And

31:01

so Nick Young played for last we

31:03

go, we showering ship, We come back,

31:06

Nick walk in the locker rooms, y'all better throw

31:08

that but the ball, it's gonna be some ship around

31:10

here. Like Nick never took anything

31:13

serious style, but we just got the ship kicked

31:15

out of us, and Cold wasn't going for you

31:17

know what I'm saying is so I just think mentally

31:20

like he meant that ship,

31:22

you know what I'm saying. I just think at that point's

31:24

body just didn't give him what he wanted. It's a lot of miles,

31:26

man and stuff. You know, because I got shocked the same

31:28

way in Phoenix, you know, right, miss prime

31:31

shock. So I got shocked. That was still

31:33

cool. But he was just he's on the other end

31:35

of the spectrum. He was like a seven ft three, big

31:37

ass kid, you know, pulling pranks. But

31:39

I was just saying, like you would see flashes

31:42

every once in a while, I'm just like, goddamn, like

31:44

this, that's crazy, right. Like

31:46

the last game, Like the last game he played,

31:48

he went for sixties, went for

31:50

sixty, like literally when mother fuckers

31:52

said I'm gonna leave it all out on the floor. That's

31:55

what he did. Believe it. Who was

31:57

some of the best young players

31:59

that that you look at in the league

32:01

right now that you like Shay Gil just Alexander

32:04

game. Uh, that won't hurt you

32:06

got a real game. I remember dr was real hesitant on trading

32:09

him too. That won't hurt when when when Shay

32:11

left, because you can just see him get better every

32:13

day, you know what I'm saying, Like you literally watched

32:15

this kid grow day in and day

32:18

out. I think he's gonna be real special

32:20

man. M John Moran and Memphis

32:23

that motherfucker's called like he's

32:26

one of the young kids. I like, I'm going

32:28

on NBA TV like Memphis, I'm

32:31

watching that. You know what I'm saying. I really

32:33

like I really liked them too. For

32:36

sure. Guys

32:38

not in the league right now, like Jamal Crawford

32:41

j R. Smith that we know

32:44

can play. You know, Carmello

32:46

just got picked up. Like what are your thoughts

32:48

on situations like that, Sticky

32:53

Man, because it's like ship, it's

32:56

gonna be a funeral for us all one day,

32:58

you know what I'm saying, And should we all

33:00

gonna feel like we still can play. I did

33:03

you know what I'm saying? When you was

33:05

done, did you felt like you can still go? Right? I

33:08

just have to go punish the Big three D

33:11

to get it out of some type of the clippers, the last thing

33:13

you play with when you came out with us and

33:15

you got the shortened stick, because I thought you should have definitely

33:18

what what was the situation there? Uh, someone

33:20

got hurt. I just stopped playing and Chris

33:22

Paul broke his hand and they needed to bring That's

33:25

right, So I think it. I think

33:27

it just it gets sticky with that because you

33:30

know, you know that these guys, you know that they

33:32

season vets. You know they can give you something. But

33:34

then it's like they've created all these

33:36

avenues to develop young guys.

33:39

Yeah, you know it's like, so do you do you give

33:42

that opportunity to a to a

33:44

vet that you know you can give someone you can develop

33:46

this kid and see what he can give it to you. So it's

33:48

so difficult, man. You think you think they confused

33:51

though, like when they when when you walk in the locker

33:53

room and they see you, you you think they still think you about two

33:56

years old? Yeah, I think. I think,

33:58

so, benj come

34:00

on one in with no

34:02

grades. Three. How many more years you feel like you

34:04

got or want to play good ones? Yeah? Like

34:07

four? And then I'm still

34:12

as well. Is that a goal you

34:14

ever think about that coming out of high school?

34:17

Yeah? I can get twenty.

34:19

Only thing that has stopped me if my kids tell me

34:21

to stop. You know, my daughters, my

34:23

daughters at eight and five. I got a son on the way,

34:26

um daughter hooping and my daughter

34:28

hoop and so I want

34:30

to be there for her. I want to be there for her process.

34:32

My five year old daughter, she's into acting her

34:35

personality of phill up a room. So

34:37

I want to be there for you know, for their

34:39

development. You know, I really want them to be up

34:42

and popping. And then I come into the scene, you

34:44

know, you know what I mean. I try

34:47

to let my eight year old daughter just do her own thing

34:49

in basketball, and I leave her alone.

34:51

And if she asked me something or she

34:53

she wants some advice, I kind of poked

34:56

my head in. Other than that, I just let him be kids.

34:58

But I want to be there for you know, if you

35:00

can't get that time back, you can't get it back, especially

35:03

at a time, so impressionable man, and

35:05

so the only the only reason I was stopping if

35:07

they tell me the stuff that was my thing

35:09

too. I had just signed the year I won the championship,

35:12

will going to State two thatand seventeen. I signed a three

35:14

year deal earlier with Sacramento. But

35:16

it was it was crazy. As much as my boys love basketball

35:19

and come to games, would come visit me in the bay.

35:22

Like one night we were sitting up watching TV and they're just

35:24

like, Daddy, we missed when used to take us to school.

35:26

And that ship broke my whole heart. So my

35:28

daughter did that to me one time. Um

35:31

last year, I was packing my bag

35:34

and she was cool as ever. She laying

35:36

in my bed on her I pad and she said, Daddy,

35:38

ask your question. I said, what's up? She

35:40

said, Uh, you don't get tired of leaving

35:42

us. I was on my way at

35:44

the door four road trip and that ship broke

35:46

my heart, like it my whole day

35:48

up because it's like we're kind

35:50

of naive, like what I ain't saying that they ain't

35:52

tripping like that ship

35:55

bothered them to you know what I'm saying. And so when she

35:57

when she put that on me it was different,

35:59

and then it was like a blessing in disguise. Like

36:02

the very next year, she turned into a basketball

36:04

fan. You know what I'm saying, is

36:06

so because we had the parent

36:08

advisory on her TV, so the only thing that she

36:10

could watch it was like Nickelodeon,

36:13

UM Disney and NBA

36:15

TV, and she was kind of growing out

36:18

of the kids ship, and so she watched

36:20

NBA TV and she like basically coached

36:22

herself into being a fan of the game. And

36:25

so that kind of re energized what

36:27

she saw me going through and and everything

36:30

like that, and so she kind of gave me another

36:32

boost instead of wanted me to come home. So we'll

36:34

see how long that last. Tell me what it's like being and we touched

36:37

what is it like being a father? And you got your first

36:39

boy on the way, Tell me what that's like. Oh lord,

36:42

I'm excited. I feel like this this is would

36:44

be my like my first challenge is like

36:47

a father. You know what I'm saying. The girls,

36:49

you kind of you kind of give

36:51

a lot of responsibility to the mom, you

36:53

know what I'm saying. With a boy, you wanted to be just

36:56

like a mirror imager yourself you know,

36:58

and you gotta put, you gotta put that time. So

37:00

I'm excited. You guys got a name picked out. Yeah,

37:02

six six six. Yeah,

37:06

that's that's

37:08

dope. Dope. Take

37:11

us back to Christmas Eve two thousand eleven,

37:14

Europe almost robbed at gunpoint.

37:17

Yeah, tell us about that story. Yeah.

37:19

So I

37:22

get my hair cut in the hood and Philly it's

37:24

gray. Second, just

37:26

keep real. You do everything in the hood. You ain't never changed.

37:31

And let me tell you how too. If you look on

37:33

the map in on Atlanta,

37:36

Georgia, you're gonna see

37:38

lou Willville. Facts.

37:40

Facts, this is real facts.

37:42

Proud of my boy. But I

37:45

was in Philly and I was actually with my man

37:47

and um just

37:49

for disclosures, since is y'all. Of

37:52

course he was scrapped, yeah, of course, protecting

37:54

each other. And so when

37:56

I was done getting my hair cut, I was at the light

37:59

and I remember but he called me. He said,

38:01

Yo, you're good. I see I'm going home. He said,

38:03

all right, bet, And I watched him. You

38:05

turned behind me and

38:08

go the other way here you turned.

38:10

I looked down at my phone at the light and

38:12

I just heard click, click click. Somebody

38:15

knocked on my window. Look

38:18

up, Bro got the gun on me.

38:21

I don't know why, but I rolled the window

38:23

down. That's just that's just where my mind

38:25

took me. I rolled the window down, and

38:28

he like, get out of the car. And I said

38:30

huh. And when I said huh,

38:32

he looked at me. He said, Lou,

38:35

I can't even do it to you, Bro, I got too much

38:38

love for you. And

38:41

at that time, um Me

38:43

and Meek Me and Meek Mill, we was doing

38:45

a lot of coach drives. Wh was doing a lot of stuff

38:47

in the communities. Um that particular

38:50

community. You know, we just we just had our

38:52

footprint on it. Um that's his neighborhood.

38:55

Um Philly had adopted me. And so whatever

38:59

I was doing over there, he would get behind me.

39:01

Whatever he was doing, I would get behind him. Nonetheless,

39:03

he was doing a lot for that community at the time. And

39:07

the dude said, he said, man, I

39:10

can't even do it to you. He said,

39:12

man, I just got out of jail.

39:15

All I got is this gun and a bus token

39:17

to get home. Bro, I ain't got nothing to eat. And

39:20

I just was thinking fast. I looked. I said, look,

39:22

Bros. McDonald's right there. You meet me at the McDonald's.

39:25

I buy you whatever you want to eat. He's

39:27

all right, cool. So my first

39:29

start was do I let him get in my car? I

39:32

was like, hell no, So I just I

39:35

started driving first. So I

39:37

drove went into the McDonald's,

39:40

and I watched them running across

39:42

the street to the McDonald's. So while he run into

39:44

the McDonald call man pull

39:47

the McDonalds the McDonald's.

39:50

So they've made the story like I

39:52

sat down at eight with him on some hell

39:55

dog that motherfucker order food. I

39:57

swiped my car, I shook his hand.

39:59

I said, God blessed bro. But this ain't the way.

40:01

By that time, my man was walking in McDonald's. I

40:03

got the funk out of So that's the

40:05

that's the real story. They thought

40:08

it didn't

40:12

like that. Y'all probably each other. That's

40:17

that. That's great, that's lucky. But I mean, shout

40:19

out to home me whoever he is. But that's

40:22

that's the testament to who you are, though, Like

40:25

a buster would have got smoked and robbed right

40:27

there. You know what I'm saying. The fact that you was

40:29

in the community, the fact that they know you'd be around

40:32

there like that, that says a lot about you, bro.

40:34

Very few players could do that because

40:36

I was down bad keeping real yeah, scared

40:39

shitless, ain't gonna flex. Okay.

40:41

So I was just

40:44

in the Lanta at your side of listening party

40:46

to the new project. Um,

40:49

I'm one of those guys that drop

40:51

projects, you know, doing my

40:53

career. While I was playing, you one of the

40:55

only one of the very few rappers to actually

40:57

put their music out, you know, talk about

40:59

your new project and

41:02

and where you see yourself going with the music. I

41:04

just have fun, you know, and the underground

41:06

go. Yeah. For me, I just want to be part of

41:08

the conversation. I don't even want to be like

41:10

an artist, you know what I'm saying. I don't even want to be

41:13

like what you are. Bro. I know that, but you

41:15

haven't you having full silent

41:18

listening parties like rappers have with

41:20

with the DJs. You have plenty For me, Like

41:22

that makes me happy. I like, I just want my

41:24

friends to be like that. Ship hard. But that's

41:27

what I said. You've seen me and you've seen me in there. Yeah,

41:29

yeah it is hard. Um,

41:32

shout out the injury. My manager man, she just yeah,

41:35

she was like, Bro, you spend so much money on this ship.

41:37

And so much time on it, like either

41:39

you're gonna put it out or I'm gonna put it you

41:42

know what I'm saying. And so, Um, it was supposed

41:44

to come out already. UM, now

41:46

we're looking for Um. We probably put

41:48

it at All Star weekend. UM. I just

41:50

wanted to feel a certain way. I wanted to look a certain

41:52

way. UM. I had a documentary that

41:54

was gonna come out with it, Um, a movie.

41:57

We ended up getting into some with the

41:59

With the documentary, it's no longer.

42:02

Um. We had merch to go

42:04

with it. The merchant still gonna come out. UM.

42:06

I had a I had a sample

42:09

on the on the project. I didn't know I had a sample

42:11

on it. Um. We was having

42:14

a hard time getting that clear. Yeah.

42:16

So everything had kind of just got backed up. So we're gonna

42:18

release it in February, just to give us some more time

42:20

to get organized. Like I said, I wanted to feel and

42:23

look a certain way. I don't want it to be rushed. So

42:25

how many what number? What what

42:27

number? Project number three? Number

42:29

three? You have any you ever thought about

42:32

anybody players you want to work with? Man

42:34

Damon actually had a conversation about

42:37

doing something I sent him a record

42:40

um to get on and he

42:42

never sent it back and we never had another conversation

42:45

about it. So I don't know where that's staying. But

42:47

um Shump used to record

42:50

at my house in my studio, but

42:52

we never did music together. But he always

42:54

was recording in my spot. Other than

42:57

that, I don't really know. Yeah, I talked

42:59

to all y'all about doing music

43:01

together before I got an ego ship. Yeah,

43:04

man, I think we need to get together so

43:06

too. I did not take you off a song what

43:10

the one you and Katie did only

43:16

at the top. I took

43:18

you off that. I went crazy on that. You took

43:20

me off that joint. It came

43:22

out and I was like, that's crazy, that's that's

43:24

how you found Actually when

43:27

they came, I actually sent you that song to get all

43:29

out. I sent it back it was

43:31

done. You told me it was

43:33

fired and you took me off and

43:36

he told me money of women don't

43:38

matter what. I followed living like fourth thought and

43:40

I'm turning up like Anozer Hayters want

43:43

to hate. But on Twitter, they still followed on my

43:45

Instagram like more pictures than models. You didn't

43:47

cursey that. I did not curse. I said,

43:51

I don't remember it on

43:54

the not his herd. No, no, no no, don't

43:56

blame it on the weed, and don't blame it. I

43:58

don't honestly don't remember. I

44:00

honestly don't remember. But well, let's

44:02

do another. I remember I remember the

44:04

song because that's why I don't remember

44:07

you, because Katie didn't. He didn't get behind the song.

44:09

Oh he didn't push it. No he didn't, and he didn't behind

44:11

the song, and then they made us make

44:13

that made us do it clean. I

44:15

actually don't remember you getting on the song, so we did.

44:18

All of you probably got caught up into Katie

44:20

ship and trying to get him to do it

44:22

because I didn't. I didn't like a day for you. That's

44:24

crazy. That was a quick return to that's crazy. Yeah,

44:26

so you probably honestly, I get

44:28

it, though, because sometimes if if somebody

44:31

do something for me and I got a lot going on

44:33

and it's quick, I have

44:35

to go through my files and be like, oh we did

44:37

because because you know, you know how, because I didn't call

44:39

you twenty times about doing something that's

44:41

hot. That's how I don't remember that. He

44:44

took me off the last song. Keep doing

44:51

that's crazy, shout

44:54

out the shop for doing the BT cipher

44:56

at the Hip Hop Awards. I think we should all do it,

44:58

man, I've been said that too. That show I did and

45:01

that was when I told you that was

45:05

I did. You said we should do it, I said, and I'm with you.

45:07

Put it together? Well that is

45:09

BT. Look the next site for need

45:11

to be me shop your

45:14

Dame lou ba

45:17

Q six man get up,

45:20

went head up with dames be

45:22

singing. Get him on that. I'm

45:25

cool. I'm cock

45:28

that really sing though, Yeah

45:30

I'm not. I'm cool. I could be cool.

45:35

I could be cool over it

45:38

up. But with some of the people

45:40

you look up to in the music game right now? Who was some of

45:42

your favorite artists? He's

45:46

a dream chasing let me. I don't hope you don't know that

45:48

he the meek ain't just friends now, Motherer

45:50

got to change. He's a dream chasing family for

45:52

I'm a holiday. I'm going to go holidayn when I

45:54

leave here. I want to change ship.

45:58

Just I think about all the smoke I'm to answer

46:00

some ship. Clothes never get fed, you

46:03

know what I'm saying. Clothes, mom, never get fed. Me get

46:06

to the right channel. Yeah, somebody going hit

46:09

me, get my baby, mama, chain within them little one, make

46:12

him like

46:14

uh miek is one of my favorites

46:17

because I know he tells the truth. Um,

46:20

Little Wayne has always been my all time. I

46:22

think he gets slapped on because I think he went so

46:25

hard in the early two thousand. Motherfucker's forget

46:27

about him. Now it'll go hard. I think the

46:29

only thing is messed up is just a business

46:31

guy's different. He's still alive. Yeah,

46:33

And you know that's what. And there's

46:35

so many there's so many guys rapping right

46:38

now, all of them his kids,

46:40

all of them a little something, little

46:43

something, got dreams, all got tattooed

46:45

in face, little bullshit, drugs.

46:48

They don't want to listen to pops. They want to listen to

46:50

their period. You know what I'm saying is so uh

46:54

Wayne jay Z obviously um

46:57

and God rest his soul. I had just started

46:59

getting to nip Um, so

47:02

I listened to a lot of nip nine days Wayne,

47:04

to Go, Wayne to Go? Who

47:07

are you so that those that's your top five? Who's

47:09

your top five? I thought drinking and drinking

47:11

drakes hard? So speaking to Drake, how do

47:13

you feel about him dropping six man? And basically

47:16

being about you in your life at the time.

47:18

It was cool at the time, it

47:20

was cool. Ye gave

47:23

me a soundtrack to everything I had going on.

47:25

Yeah, yeah, we drove prices

47:27

up. Yeah it's cauture.

47:30

You wanted me to come to your party, So I appreciate

47:32

you for that. You know what I'm saying. Looking

47:35

back, Man, in twenty years, he's

47:37

gonna be one of the greatest artists that

47:40

ever you've ever heard of. And he made a song

47:42

about me. Yeah, question, that's

47:46

what's it? What's it like? I mean, could you know meet dropped

47:49

your name and y'all the family, but dropped

47:51

that. What what's it like? Though? Like I said, becoming

47:53

a hooper, fucking with AI with

47:55

you know, a legend that that you looked up to, and

47:58

now people you look up into the rap him and they're rapping

48:00

about you. Make shot video that you crib,

48:02

didn't it? House Party one of his biggest

48:04

songs. That song was about my

48:06

house. It was about a party that he came to one

48:09

of them because I'd be having pool parties out here, but I heard

48:12

you'd be having the pool parties in Atlanta that I never come

48:14

to. Different Vibe I'm just gonna get I'm gonna

48:16

get a hall pass. I'm gonna tell my girl the baby like the last

48:18

two years Wheel Day, right, you know Beverly

48:22

Hills in Hollywood, like you

48:24

know, it's a little different in it. But see

48:26

you're doing yours at your house, the

48:29

house, okay, but he's doing this at his own city. You're

48:31

right, Okay, this is the will

48:35

I've seen. I've seen an Instagram and I almost wanted

48:37

to be like, I shouldn't be. I'm too old to be watching.

48:39

It's just a good time, right, It's

48:41

just a good time. It ain't no v IP sex,

48:43

just's no nothing. It forces everybody

48:46

to hang with everybody and have a

48:48

good time. I'm there time joint. Can't

48:50

hide. You can't hide in my party. No matter

48:53

who you are, it's nowhere for you. Yeah,

48:55

I get jealous when I look at the Instagram. Got

48:58

to be that we might do it. I got invited. I just business.

49:00

We're gonna do a show from there, all the smoke.

49:03

That would be awesome something.

49:07

Yeah, we already wear commercials, so we go

49:09

all well and listen, who

49:13

do you see? Do you see anybody? I mean, I know you

49:15

probably not This is probably more for the media.

49:17

But do you see anyone coming

49:20

for your six man title this year? This

49:22

ship? Yeah, I can't nobody

49:25

take it but Traders. And that's

49:27

still a win for me his teammates.

49:29

Yeah, that's a win for me. That's my brother. And so

49:32

you know, the crazy thing is they don't know how close

49:34

you all though. People don't know that, right,

49:37

And he wasn't remembers

49:43

that's where our chemistry come from. Like he

49:45

played on my program team Okay, I

49:48

like him. He's a mother. He

49:50

played on my program saying. So I don't know if anybody

49:52

even gets close, um, except

49:55

except Traders. And you know, I see the

49:57

Roses doing this thing now, but I don't even

49:59

know if that's something. The Rose even won't. I

50:01

heard him say it last year, but I don't know if he's

50:04

wired for like with that

50:06

job. Entails was a former

50:08

m v P. Yeah, it's a different album. Yeah,

50:10

it's a different things. It's

50:12

only been so only you and Jamal Crawford have three

50:15

six man right, so when you win, the next one is

50:18

history. I

50:20

wouldn't mind just as just a little

50:22

bit, right, you know what I'm saying? Like I

50:25

got the scoring title. I got three,

50:27

Um, jamal ass three, But I wouldn't

50:29

mind standing alone on it, you know what I mean? Yeah,

50:33

tell us about your You got your own shoe? Man,

50:36

Yeah, that's that's crazy. It's mind blowing to me.

50:38

Um. I don't know if I'm

50:41

the only one I think I am. But

50:44

a career bench player have his own shoe,

50:47

that's like, that's groundbreaking.

50:49

You know what I'm saying is, so how many players drafted

50:52

where you would drafted to have their own shoe? Well,

50:55

I remember it was crazy was he came in with

50:57

Monte. It was Mississippi

50:59

bullish out our little kids, you

51:01

know what I mean. And I think Monte obviously

51:04

stepped on the stage before Lou, but

51:06

then Lou came through and lasted

51:09

with the longevity. So that's

51:11

pretty all second round picks. And and I'm glad

51:13

I stuck around long enough to kind of smell my flowers

51:15

and get appreciated from my peers

51:18

and the people I've competed with and against in this

51:20

game. You know, I think outside

51:22

the money and the championships and everything, y'all

51:24

know, the biggest thing that we lived for is

51:27

that acceptance from the guys that you like

51:30

he was. He was that dude. You know what I'm

51:32

saying. It so for me to be in year fifteen, had my

51:34

own shoe come off the bench be

51:37

considered a underground goat. You

51:39

know, I don't even think a lot of people understand what I'm

51:41

trying to get across when I say underground

51:43

goat like you know this. You know it's like you

51:46

got you g K. But

51:49

like the goats respect them.

51:51

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like that jay Z

51:54

album, jay Z, look up to you g K. You

51:57

know what I'm saying. So you've got Lebron's and you've got Katie's.

51:59

Katie Is went publicly and said

52:01

that he feels like I'm a Hall of Famer. I'm one of his favorite.

52:04

You know what I'm saying.

52:06

That's so like compliments like that, It's

52:08

worth more than any amount of money could

52:10

ever do for me, you know, to get get accepted

52:13

from those kind of guys in this league

52:15

that you compete against, you know, so because the money

52:17

don't always reflect that you don't because

52:21

some guys get the money, you like, still corning.

52:23

I can't believe that, you know what I'm saying. You

52:25

hear that a lot, and then you got people

52:28

that you know O g s like y'all,

52:31

y'all going aeron, y'all defend my name. You should

52:33

be making way more than that. That means

52:35

more to meet than anything, you know what I'm saying that, So to

52:37

have my own shoe doog like it's

52:39

mind blownce ask current players,

52:42

did you guys see people like me

52:44

and Jack in the media going hard

52:46

with you? Did you guys see that and hear that when we're

52:49

out here going hard for y'all for shows. Sometimes I want

52:51

to text him and tell him to chill. And

52:56

one time I hit big Bro, I said, are you wrong on this one?

52:59

Yeah? You know what the saying. I said, you know you're wrong

53:01

on this one. You know what I'm saying. But behind

53:03

the scenes, it's like we hear y'all, We

53:05

see y'all. It takes

53:08

something simple as just just like the video, stay

53:10

out the way let them, you know what I'm saying,

53:13

Because we're still under that machine so

53:17

much. Sometimes we appreciate

53:20

it, you know what I'm saying, even if it's just a hit

53:23

that like, but just let you know I'm right here. You

53:25

know, we'll see what what what they

53:27

hate too. They hate the fact that

53:29

we got the respect and the relationship

53:32

where when we on TV that I can get a

53:34

text from you. You know what I'm saying. They wanted

53:36

to blow up into something. You know what I'm saying.

53:38

But the fact that the respect of that and it's all coming from

53:40

a good place. They hate that type ship And whoever

53:43

gave my microphone some syrup before this? Uh,

53:46

it's been leaning in the hole and I to just keep dropping.

53:48

Bron gonna give me the dope fing Mike today. Man,

53:50

we need to get this finished fixed the next show man,

53:52

I'm to live for the ship. Go

53:55

ahead, Man, who is uh in

53:57

the league right now? Who's the most slept on the

54:00

player? You think? Or besides

54:02

shape or starting to make it? Man?

54:05

Slept on like

54:09

a young cat. We

54:13

don't have you have to be young, just something like you know,

54:15

going to war with like that mother don't get a lot of love. But

54:17

he can go Drew Holiday. People

54:20

sleep on great pick Drew

54:23

Holidays both ways, both

54:25

ends of the court. Bro Like, I don't think he gets

54:28

he gets the recognition and the respect that he deserves.

54:31

Um, that's a great call.

54:33

Yeah, I like you Holiday? True? I hate

54:35

seeing Drew Carmine on I ain't on front. He

54:38

does on both ends and he knew all my ship

54:40

we played together. Who

54:45

who to you, who's the best player in the game right

54:47

now, right now today?

54:49

I think it's Kauai. I think

54:51

it's Kauai with Katie being out, and then

54:54

it's Paul right there behind that. And that's

54:56

not like a and I'm and I'm

54:58

not saying Lebron because Brown. To

55:00

me, it's like grandfather then yeah,

55:05

yeah, like he's in conversation

55:07

for the Goat, not parent rappers.

55:10

To jay Z, yeah, he's

55:12

grandfather then, yeah, you know

55:15

that would be my pis. So you see Kauai,

55:18

Katie and Paul all right in that mix fighting

55:20

for the best. Yeah, I think they still? Yes,

55:25

Yeah, who is the best? Who's your top

55:27

three all time in the game all

55:32

time? Michael Jordan's Lebron? Yeah

55:36

three, Yeah, that's three for me. I

55:38

love that. That's my personal right now.

55:40

Definitely that's your list. Yeah,

55:43

Penny Hardaway used to be in there. He

55:47

probably hate what I tell this, tell

55:51

yeah, I gotta tell it. So you know, look

55:54

at look at my Mike. Yeah,

55:56

it's still leaning double

55:58

comp somebody gave him like a double. Yeah.

56:01

Man, So you know, I'm originally from Memphis,

56:03

Tennessee. UM, and so as far

56:06

as like basketball, like Penny Hardware,

56:09

people I didn't like because

56:11

Penny Hardaway he used to give Mike problem

56:14

because yeah, because at that time, I was like, it's either

56:16

Penny or Jordan. I'm like, well it's Penny. So

56:18

growing up, he was always my my goat. He

56:21

was always my favorite. And um, my

56:29

senior year in high school, UM, Nike

56:32

was kind of was kind of coming

56:34

for me a little bit because they knew I was going to the league

56:37

and so they had set

56:39

it up for the Nike rep to introduce me to

56:41

Penny. He was playing with the Knicks at the time

56:43

they was about to play. They was playing the Hawks. So

56:46

I'm excited the whole day in school. I'm like,

56:48

I'm working for the me Penny, Like this

56:51

is crazy to me. So the game

56:54

go on or whatever. After the game, he come

56:56

out, they walked me down to meet

56:58

him. He got on the Sooners ship. So,

57:01

uh, Nike Rep. He

57:04

say, uh, he'd say, hey, Penny,

57:06

this is a young kid I was telling you about he thinking about

57:08

going to the NBA's name Williams from Memphis.

57:11

Man Penny shook my hand and even acknowledge

57:13

me, didn't even look at me, gave me no look at

57:16

one of these and kept

57:18

talking to who he was talking to, never looked

57:20

me in my eyes, never said was something dr

57:25

And I was like, let's

57:27

you crush me? You know what I'm saying. It

57:29

did that. We years later we had a conversation

57:32

about it because every time I was doing the interview, I have

57:34

shipping on them left every time

57:36

I had something to say about it. So he we

57:38

set out. He was just like, man, I apologize he was

57:41

on purpose. This is that. I was like, at

57:43

this point, I'm dope, bro, Like, yeah, like

57:45

I ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying that. It

57:48

ain't a big deal to me no more. I just like, ain't with

57:50

you? Hyeah, Yeah

57:54

you're out of my list. That yeah, who

57:56

retirement being around the corner. We hope you get

57:59

another five six years. But is there anything you

58:01

look forward to post career? No,

58:05

Man, I'm locked in a moment. I'm

58:07

happy where I'm at. I'm happy like I'm

58:10

at the height of my career, you know, So I'm in

58:12

the moment right now. So the only

58:14

thing I can I can really look forward to his fatherhood.

58:17

You know what I'm saying, just being a better father than I am.

58:19

Now, So what would

58:21

winning the championship mean to you? Everything?

58:25

Yeah, that solidifies everything that I've worked

58:28

for, you know, as far as where

58:30

my career took me. I've done everything

58:32

individually that I can do. Um,

58:35

So the ring is the last thing for me going

58:38

platinum. Yeah that'll work too.

58:42

Yeah, I mean when the ring gona help you go about

58:44

to say that ring gonna take that, I'm

58:47

dropping that day. Well,

58:50

lou man, we appreciate you, man. And

58:56

that's the rap Man Episode five. All the

58:58

smoke would arguably

59:01

the greatest six man in NBA

59:03

history. You already

59:05

know. That's the way we need our shoes. Man,

59:07

we were four teens. We need some We need some shoes.

59:09

I'm knocking of you. Nigga's out a little proactive

59:12

man. I would have brought it. I would have brought it with you.

59:14

Season. We'll get you later. We know

59:16

when y'all at now. And remember

59:19

we're gonna do a live show from the pool party. Done

59:21

deal, it's on record. We don't make

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