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1:01

Welcome back all the Smoke Indianapolis

1:04

All Star twenty twenty four. Jack, it has been a

1:06

solid day.

1:07

We gotta, we gotta.

1:08

This is ah, I

1:10

would say, a trendsetter episode.

1:13

Yeah, what what else can me say about

1:15

it?

1:15

I mean, he's he's controlling the game right.

1:17

Kicking the door open for us, you know what I'm saying.

1:19

In the skin when it.

1:21

Was locked, he kicked that motherfucker over.

1:23

Definitely in snake skins. I don't think about all that stuff,

1:25

but yeah, definitely. And these

1:27

snakes died peacefully in their

1:29

sleep. Yeah you go, just so they weren't

1:31

harmed. They were not harmed.

1:32

We love to hear that.

1:34

Man.

1:34

Welcome to the show. Pat McAfee.

1:36

Yeah, excited about this

1:38

man. It's our guy.

1:39

Man, it's our guy. Will tell us how you and Pat

1:41

initially met.

1:42

So me and Pat initially met when

1:44

I played there for the pacers, And

1:47

the first time we met was at I

1:49

don't know, it was a holiday party and

1:51

men Jammin was coming because Peyton invited us.

1:54

As soon as I walked in, he sent

1:56

you to come greet us and bring us to the back.

1:58

As soon as I got there, I'm like, hold

2:00

up, man, this guy we just hit it off. Next

2:02

thing, you know, you know, we was having drinks. We had a good time,

2:05

and ever since then, you know, we are the mutual

2:07

respect for each other. And uh, this

2:09

has been.

2:10

A stack watching you

2:12

through the years, learning about you. Yeah,

2:15

you're a legend, dude.

2:16

And you see where I started.

2:17

Yeah, hey, hey listen, and you've seen where

2:19

I started. So I mean here in Indianapolis,

2:22

those first couple of years I got I

2:24

don't want to say baptized, but like I

2:27

got introduced to the city by the coolest people on

2:29

earth, you know, like Stack,

2:32

Peyton, Joseph Died, Clint Sessions.

2:34

Then you go back to like Paul George was

2:37

in the Roally Hibbert was in that, like there

2:39

was Indianapolis was a

2:41

great time, a great place, and uh,

2:43

I was lucky to be here and you were always kind

2:45

of me, which is awesome.

2:46

I appreciate.

2:48

Good dude, Good dude. First of all,

2:50

before we get I mean, we want to just congratulate you.

2:52

I think your your your evolution in

2:54

the path you've taken, and I think, like

2:56

Jack said, the doors you've kicked down and really

2:58

kind of just unapologetically you.

3:02

You are arguably, if not be,

3:04

one of the biggest voices in sports

3:06

media. And it's almost this new sports

3:08

media from a standpoint of a former

3:10

player doing it.

3:12

It's a real new wave. But first of all, congratulations

3:15

on that.

3:15

But talk to us about that journey, because

3:17

I'm sure it wasn't as easy as people think.

3:19

You know, now we're seeing you on TV in your

3:22

tank tops on ESPN and you get to cuss

3:24

and you get.

3:24

To do other shit. I'm like, yo, bros, really

3:26

doing it his way.

3:27

I have to negotiate all that in there. So there's

3:29

actually there was

3:32

in negotiation the words that

3:34

I'd be allowed to say on ESPN. Oh

3:36

really yeah, So there's like in

3:39

the contract. So I negotiate myself. So I'm

3:41

my own agent too. So like I'm a hard

3:43

person to represent, is what I've learned

3:45

through the agent trial and the air game.

3:48

So I just decided I wanted to start representing

3:50

myself like five six years ago, and

3:52

I want to be in the rooms. You know, I want to hear

3:54

what's being said. I want to know why things are

3:56

being said, and I want to know why things have been

3:59

the way they are seemingly, you know, as a

4:01

fan of sport, as a fan of sports

4:03

media. So like going in there

4:06

now and within the last year versus

4:08

like five years ago, vastly

4:10

different points of leverage, I would say,

4:12

And to be honest, I appreciate you

4:14

guys saying that because I've been watching you guys.

4:16

I mean just historic.

4:19

I mean, Matt, I know it probably gets brought up every

4:21

single day, but like in the Gift is one

4:23

of the greatest of all time, you

4:25

and Kobe, that moment is

4:28

like one of the most legendary moments in the history of sport.

4:30

And then to watch you and Kobe talk about

4:32

it on this podcast, that's

4:34

like something you can't get anywhere else.

4:36

So like I'm inspired by you guys.

4:38

I'm inspired by all athletes that

4:40

kind of choose to tell their own story and

4:42

eliminate the middleman who has always been able

4:44

to pick and choose which stories

4:47

matter, which stories don't matter, which

4:49

voices matter, which voices don't matter.

4:51

Like I'm a punter, bro okay, So like

4:54

you don't have to know football that well to know that my position

4:56

ain't.

4:56

Worth a fuck.

4:57

Like if we are you know,

5:00

if we're down, if we're down

5:02

twenty eight points in the second half,

5:05

I am closer to front row than a motherfucking and crowd,

5:07

but we have the same exact impact

5:09

on the game, you know. So like

5:12

I understand that I've always

5:14

been very self aware about that, But like me

5:17

having the opportunity to talk to people that actually

5:19

know the answers and play and all the I

5:21

have so much admiration for everybody that's doing their own

5:23

things. So like I didn't know

5:25

that we're going to be able to do this. And

5:28

the group of dudes.

5:28

I have around me are dogs. The dogs.

5:32

We all have the same mindset.

5:34

We have great work ethics, you know, I think

5:36

that's something like professional athletes, and my

5:38

guys aren't professional athletes, but it's something that

5:40

we take for granted, especially whenever

5:42

you kind of mingle into the rest

5:44

of the world, Like work

5:46

ethic is something that not everybody

5:49

has, right. I am very lucky that my

5:51

entire team dogs, all

5:53

of them work their asses off, So

5:55

we've all had the same mission, We've all had the same mindset,

5:57

we've all had the same goals, and we just

5:59

try to get on microphones and make people's

6:01

lives a little bit better, happier and

6:03

do some sports talk. And yeah, it's

6:06

the dumbest shit of all time that now we're

6:08

on ESPN, we're also on

6:10

YouTube. We got fans in like New Zealand every

6:12

single day that watch our ship. Like, it's just very

6:15

very lucky, very very dumb, And to say

6:17

it was planned would be a lie.

6:19

Like and we had no idea that this was going to happen.

6:20

I mean, your rise to the top, I mean, I'm sure

6:23

you and We talked to Dan LeBatard

6:25

about this about athletes kind of coming into space

6:27

and not necessarily cutting the line.

6:28

But he's talks some shit on me, has he?

6:30

Yeah, Oh get him. That's our guy. But we love

6:32

to get Yeah.

6:33

When I saw you signed with him, I was certainly asking some questions.

6:37

This guy over here, I think and Ryan is his name is?

6:39

Ryan?

6:39

Yeah? Yeah, I thought you

6:41

guys could have made it thet loan Like I thought,

6:43

you.

6:44

Guys know, so we're by ourselves. We partner with

6:46

them to build out the fast Channel.

6:47

Love it.

6:47

Yeah, that's the idea.

6:48

And I like Dan.

6:49

I got respect for Dan. I watched the deal that him and Skipper

6:51

did with DraftKings. Yeah, and that greatly

6:53

affected my deal with Fandels. So I got

6:56

a lot of respect. But a lot of these older

6:58

sports media folks aren't the biggest fan of me, and

7:00

they've certainly made that known.

7:02

Yeah, And we've had we've.

7:04

Had where you know why, right, because a

7:06

lot of them wanted to do what you're doing now on

7:08

ESPN.

7:09

Yeah, they weren't allowed to, is what it wasn't allowed

7:11

to? You think I was allowed to though? Like that's the whole part

7:13

of it.

7:13

You had the you had I'm gonna say, Bobs, you had the confidence

7:15

in yourself to be able to get it done without worry

7:18

about what other people are gonna say. I think it didn't

7:20

happen for them because they came in more

7:22

like, well I want to do this, you said,

7:24

I'm doing this instead I want to do

7:26

this.

7:26

That's that's a big difference.

7:27

Hey, I'm a fucking asshold of those suits too, Like they

7:30

do not like me. You got to be it

7:32

is because when I retired,

7:35

I had, like I mean, stack, you knew this because

7:37

you knew I existed that not a lot of people outside of Indiana

7:40

did. When I retired, I had like

7:42

like seven hundred and fifty thousand followers. I

7:45

had done like twenty seven stand up comedy

7:47

shows in theaters with like six thousand seats,

7:49

and I go went on like a tour, had a podcast,

7:52

had a merch store, had a chance to do Bob

7:54

and Tom, which is here in Indianapolis. So like I got

7:56

a chance to kind of understand the broadcasting waves.

7:58

ESPN said we got nothing for you Fox, and

8:01

we got nothing for you, CBS and we got

8:03

nothing for you. We don't want to hear a punter who's

8:05

been arrested that swears, who's

8:08

an internet guy? On

8:10

our kind of guy,

8:12

That's what these suits though did not say that, So

8:15

like had to go through the barstool route. But we kept

8:17

our own company in Indiana. Learned

8:19

a lot about the Internet through them.

8:21

That was like a university of how digital

8:23

works. So then as we as

8:26

I kind of realized in our boys, we kind of

8:28

realized, like, we can do this ourselves.

8:30

We don't need them.

8:31

And then now we're coming back to the point where

8:34

I'm negotiating with like Amazon,

8:36

I'm negotiating with NBC, I'm negotiating

8:39

with Apple, I'm negotiating with ESPN.

8:41

It's like all those same middle management

8:43

people five years ago, six years

8:46

ago say we got nothing for you, and

8:48

it's like I remember that, like you know,

8:50

and I'm never gonna forget that.

8:52

Yeah.

8:52

So it's it's I

8:55

have the I think I have the right level of pettiness.

8:58

Uh, there's

9:01

some unintelligent shit I've said some people

9:04

you know that I shouldn't in these negotiations.

9:06

But I also got the crew around me where I'm like I

9:08

have a safety nut, like if a deal

9:11

falls through, like people were thinking we're gonna get kicked

9:13

off ESPN this year already, Like people are already

9:15

assuming that it's not gonna work. It's

9:17

not going to last, because you know, Aaron

9:20

started a war with Jimmy Kimmel on our show, Jimmy

9:22

Kimmel obviously ABC letter on

9:24

the COVID stuff calling out Fauci on our

9:26

show.

9:27

Like there was a lot.

9:29

It got real the block up,

9:31

real hot for about

9:33

three weeks.

9:35

But how do you navigate Obviously Aaron is a good friend

9:37

of yours, and but ESPN is you know

9:39

who you're working with now, So how do you navigate

9:42

that? What's that conversation like between you and

9:44

Aaron?

9:44

So

9:47

so ESPN is licensing to my show, so

9:49

it's still like you yeah, So,

9:52

Like I talked to Shannon Sharp

9:54

about this radio row because

9:56

Club Shashay with Kat obviously fifty eight and

9:58

a half million viewers. There's a

10:00

lot of shit set on there right about a lot

10:02

of people, And I thought, maybe I

10:05

don't get a much bigger scale than us obviously

10:07

with the Aaron stuffy and they were on Good Morning America, the Today

10:09

Show and all that type of stuff. I

10:12

said, do you ever cause like I don't the

10:14

stuff Aaron's talking about. He's very passionate about, Like

10:16

Aaron firmly believes that, and there's a lot of people

10:18

in the world that believe that, whether people

10:20

hate that or not, that is a fact of life.

10:23

So like I don't know that world though, Like I'm

10:25

not educated in that world. And there was a lot of times where

10:27

I'm like, do I deserve to have this platform

10:30

if I don't know everything about everything

10:33

so that this shit can't happen, you know, and people

10:35

don't end up hating us. So I asked Shannon about

10:37

that. I'm like, Shannon, do you feel like whenever

10:40

something's being said that you don't know if it's right or not?

10:42

Like how much blame are you put on this? Because

10:44

there was like nights I couldn't sleep, Like I'm like, maybe

10:47

I am fucking this up completely, And

10:49

then I got back to it.

10:50

It's like.

10:53

We're having conversations with people, like

10:55

you can disagree with them completely, but at

10:57

least you learn and know where Aaron's

10:59

at, Like this is a mount Rushmore

11:01

quarterback in the history of the NFL. In

11:04

real time, you're learning about him completely.

11:06

I feel like that's a form of journalism as well,

11:08

even though people won't.

11:09

Really talk about it.

11:10

Whenever there's documentaries made about Aaron

11:12

Rodgers later in life, which will happen, they're

11:15

gonna use so much of our

11:17

show is that not journalism. So it's like, although

11:20

there are wars that we get into, and

11:22

Aaron will defend himself, he's a friend of

11:24

ours, Aaron does his things.

11:26

I mean, I'm vaccinated, and in the middle of

11:28

the I I was getting swore

11:30

at in like thirty different languages because

11:33

Aaron was saying he wasn't vaccinated and

11:35

I was the worst human on earth. And it's like, I

11:37

think we're just a different style of programming.

11:40

Like we're a conversationalist.

11:43

We have no idea where we're headed. We

11:45

don't have scheduled questions. I

11:47

don't prep anybody when they're coming on. I

11:49

don't have a list of questions. I'm just having

11:51

a conversation with people. And boy, it

11:54

has certainly got us into some shit, but it

11:56

has also got us some magic. You

11:58

know that like not a lot of other persons.

12:00

So it's a weird dynamic.

12:01

How do you balance I mean, obviously it's

12:03

athletes.

12:04

We have to have tough skin growing up, coming in

12:06

But now we're in this new generation where everyone

12:08

has a voice, whether it deserve or not. Be a social

12:10

media how do you balance the negativity

12:13

because although we can say hey, it doesn't affect us, we

12:15

hear all of it, all of it.

12:16

So how do you how do you balance that? And like you said, you've had

12:18

sleepless nights, how do you flush that ship and able to still

12:20

focus?

12:22

Honestly, this called the smoke?

12:24

Yeah, do you have a crack a course course? Like what

12:27

blue Golden Colorado?

12:32

I mean I have beers, but

12:34

I smoke a lot of weed, me too.

12:38

Yeah, clap to that.

12:43

That's what I say, pumped from every time

12:46

weed is said on all the smoke, we need to clap.

12:48

Okay, make that a thing.

12:49

Some weed is brought out.

12:50

We don't clap a

12:52

celebratory but no, like I

12:54

do, Like I think that's a massive piece

12:57

of it for me. Like

13:00

when I was a junior in college, shouts

13:02

the course shots of course, Hey, let's get

13:04

the boys another course.

13:05

Deal.

13:05

By the way, let's let's get the next one

13:07

a big yeah.

13:10

When the mountain on the on the can turns blue,

13:13

that's where you know it's cold and it's time

13:15

to unwind.

13:18

And maybe smoke some weed.

13:19

Smoke some weed.

13:24

Now, I was a junior in college. I

13:26

missed two kicks in the first quarter of a game.

13:28

We end up losing that game by four

13:31

points. It could have sent you to the national

13:33

championship. So I got twenty

13:35

seven death threats. Those are old school death threats

13:37

too. That was before social media. What are chippers?

13:40

Did you miss chippers? Oh yeah, buddy, Oh yeah,

13:42

should have went in first quarter, their first quarter,

13:45

which never gets talked about. Had to lead a halftime,

13:48

never gets talked about. Certainly my fault at

13:50

the end of certainly, certainly

13:53

my fault.

13:54

Certainly there's some shot ship that could

13:56

have happened.

13:57

Certainly, But I mean I should have made those

13:59

kicks, and it would have been a different life

14:01

for all of us. But like, I got like

14:03

twenty seven old school death threats,

14:06

like people writing letters, putting them in a bottle,

14:08

throwing them at my house in the middle of the night

14:10

in Morgantown, West Virginia. So like I

14:13

went through something where I really

14:15

wondered if like I

14:17

should be around anyway, like disappearing.

14:21

Yeah, I don't know if I would ever like disappear.

14:24

Yeah, Like I hopped in my jeep and I just like I'm

14:26

fucking gone. I'm literally

14:28

out of here. I'm not going back to school, like I'm done

14:30

with this. And it's like my teammates obviously

14:32

rallied around me, my friends rallied around me.

14:34

They brought me back.

14:35

But I think like that calloused me a little bit that

14:37

moment, because whenever you like think about

14:40

like life, after thinking about disappearing,

14:43

like it's a whole new mindset. And then when I get arrested

14:46

my second year here in Indianapolis,

14:49

comps have their story for why I got

14:51

arrested. I have mine. I

14:53

was walking home. They said I swam in

14:55

a canal.

14:56

Nonetheless, it

15:00

happened potato a

15:03

couple of course.

15:07

Yeah yeah, maybe some.

15:09

Weed, next thing, next

15:12

thing, you know, allegedly.

15:18

So then you know, when I get arrested,

15:21

I get killed again. So it's like I feel like I'm pretty

15:23

calloused. Like I do feel like I'm calloused.

15:26

But man, when you get a lot of people telling you that

15:28

you're the worst person on earth and you're ruining

15:30

things, it's

15:32

hard. It's hard not to and uh

15:35

yeah, so the mute buttons real, I'll

15:37

mute anybody. I will block

15:40

some motherfuckers too, like I am not.

15:42

You talk to them first or just block them off the rip.

15:44

It feels like they're really like got

15:47

some real ill intent, you know, like hey.

15:49

What you just said there was it bothered

15:51

me?

15:51

You were trying to really you

15:54

were trying to kill me. I'm blocking them.

15:56

If it's like a good ship talk, I

15:59

will entertain it and then

16:02

I'll see you later. But it is crazy

16:04

having to hear all this. I couldn't even imagine how teenagers

16:06

are now different. I don't

16:08

have a daughter and like thinking of her

16:11

nine months.

16:12

Oh baby girl, Okay, congratulations.

16:16

Wife, you're kicking a lot of ass right now. Didn't

16:19

think I was ever going to have a kid. I was

16:21

all good, she would be a great mom.

16:23

So it made it happen, and boy, I love

16:25

it. But I couldn't even imagine hearing

16:28

all the terrible things, like if I was a teenager,

16:30

I wouldn't have been mentally tough enough for you.

16:32

So it's like it's a crazy.

16:33

Time even as an adult. Stuff

16:35

bothers, like today people say stuff,

16:37

you know what I'm saying?

16:38

I remember?

16:38

Can we asked Kobe that you know, like what

16:41

hurts you the most, you know, when you heard people talk bad

16:43

about you said all of it, Like I heard all of it,

16:45

you know what I mean? And people think because we're

16:48

at pro athletes that we're superhuman. We don't feel

16:50

hit ship, we don't hear ship. We're just supposed to play. And

16:52

it's it's we're human at the end of the day.

16:54

Yeah, we have eyes, ears, hearts,

16:56

all that shit.

16:57

Emotions.

16:57

Yeah, imagine that.

16:58

Pride, empathy,

17:01

humility, But everybody wants

17:03

talk about ego.

17:03

That's what they thinking.

17:05

A lot more people have a lot of humility than

17:07

people could ever imagine.

17:09

And sometimes you know, some of the ship talkers on

17:11

the internet are good. Oh yeah, some of them are really

17:13

good. Oh read it. I'm like, damn, that was pretty

17:15

well put together and put

17:17

together. See how you would say that? I

17:20

was thinking the same thing.

17:21

It's been sometimes replied.

17:24

Just a good one. That was a good

17:26

one.

17:26

That was a good one. Ye, cheers.

17:30

You should think about changing your name from Boner Garage

17:32

to like your actual name.

17:33

You might have some talent.

17:37

You think about doing

17:39

that. That's a good time, you

17:42

know, that's a wild place, wild

17:45

place.

17:45

It's a nice room, by the way, isn't it. I like

17:47

what you guys are doing. Yeah, yeah, I like what you

17:49

guys. I've

17:52

never been here.

17:53

Yeah neither. It's beautiful.

17:54

Thank you.

17:54

Shout out Foxhole.

17:56

What are you guys doing. You're doing a bunch of stuff.

17:57

I assume just this And then

18:00

we got a couple of shows tomorrow and we're done. We got in there

18:02

tonight for DraftKings. Tomorrow's small

18:04

here too.

18:04

Row about the Draftings deal?

18:06

Yeah, okay, exciting.

18:08

I think you a multi year deal, and

18:10

what it allowed us to do was obviously create content

18:13

with amazing people under our

18:15

team. You know, you talked to Rachel earlier, DeMarcus

18:17

Cousins, Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo

18:20

I, t Isaiah Thomas, talking

18:22

to a few other people, and then crossing it over trying

18:24

to get some people in the women's space, So a

18:26

big responsibility, but dope.

18:28

And then also at the.

18:28

Same time, you know, creating having

18:30

content, cross pollinating shows, and

18:32

then building out a studio on alban So

18:35

it's.

18:35

You should you guys make really good ship.

18:38

Thank you.

18:38

It's our team, man, thank you, our team right there. Our

18:41

team. Yeah, and and any and

18:44

any.

18:44

You know, advice, a game you can give is

18:47

you know, we always I

18:49

only.

18:49

Know works for me, Like this is the thing,

18:51

like million

18:54

dollars worth of games and how I mean, hello,

18:57

what absolute stallion? You know? And I watch

18:59

their stuff. I inspired by them as well. I

19:02

mean some of the clips that just come to my mind

19:04

from their show or just will live on for eternity.

19:06

And it's like I very much appreciate

19:08

how kind people are to me and my guys

19:11

and they're like, hey, what did you do?

19:12

How'd you do it?

19:13

It's like we fucked up so much,

19:15

like we made so many mistakes business

19:17

critical airs decisions,

19:19

content airs, and like what works

19:22

for us isn't necessarily going to work for other.

19:23

People, you know what I mean? Like everybody. And

19:26

I think this is like marketing agency

19:28

speak.

19:28

I think it started happening a few years ago where

19:30

they're like, this client was

19:33

wondering if you could make three

19:35

viral videos for them.

19:36

It's like we don't fucking know.

19:39

No, no, no, nobody knows, like nobody has

19:41

a clue what's going to be good. So it's

19:43

like I appreciate whenever

19:45

people are like what do you think? And it's like I don't have

19:47

the answers like you guys clearly do though, Like

19:49

look at this setup. I was honored

19:52

and pumped to get the ass to come onto

19:54

this show, you know, like I am a big

19:56

fan, so I can't wait to see what you

19:58

guys do and keep going and shout out to

20:01

meadow Lark for seeing what everybody

20:03

else is seeing and giving you guys some real

20:05

like a safety net to go get it.

20:06

It's awesome. Yeah,

20:09

yeah, yeah, you deserve

20:11

it. You guys deserve it. All. With

20:14

that being said, I think you were tank tops.

20:15

I think you start, you know, coming

20:18

over skin said.

20:25

He said he had his drug dealer outfit on some snake skins.

20:29

Just yeah, I mean, Stag looks hilarious, right,

20:31

I mean you're looking phenomenal right now.

20:34

And this is great. You

20:36

said it's Nike.

20:37

Nike. Nobody can't believe that.

20:39

So I've been very lucky to go to a lot of events

20:41

where you know, NBA folks are and

20:43

if you are just a basic ass human,

20:46

you need to find something that has got two to three inches

20:49

on the heel. Yeah, you know,

20:51

because the small one on TV NBA guy

20:54

is six to five. Yeah, so yeah,

20:56

I need to add a little hype. Yeah, there's who's

20:59

that tall?

20:59

Who's Yeah,

21:02

Jesus Christ walked in here

21:04

seven foot seven footer eight,

21:08

went to the bathroom three foot dumps

21:10

and you guys, this place

21:12

is awesome.

21:14

Yinsser?

21:17

What does that mean to you? Pittsburgh?

21:19

Okay, So a yinser is like a white trash person

21:21

from Pittsburgh.

21:22

Yinser.

21:23

Okay, Like that's what a in is because

21:27

you know, in the South they say y'all, and

21:30

I think like eastern Pennsylvania

21:32

and over there they say youwens Pittsburgh,

21:35

it says yen's. So it's like

21:37

Hien's doing is like Pittsburgh

21:39

talk don instead of down.

21:42

So it's like a yinser accent. But basically

21:44

it means like white trash from Pittsburgh.

21:47

So like I happened

21:49

to be one of the most uh

21:51

in my I got two guys that one

21:53

grew up on my street. One once to my

21:56

same high school. I've been friends with them since

21:58

then. We we are

22:00

the most inser fucks.

22:03

You know.

22:04

So we we take a lot of pride in

22:06

representing that city.

22:08

And uh, A lot of.

22:09

People get out of Pittsburgh and they change the way they speak,

22:12

because the insier accent is so ridiculous

22:15

you can barely make out.

22:16

Most of the words.

22:17

We still like, one of our shows is called hammer

22:19

Don because that is Pittsburgh the

22:22

inser for down, So.

22:24

We take a lot of pride in that.

22:25

But yeah, like, uh, that's basically

22:27

what it means, just like a super Pittsburgh fuck, which

22:29

is what he is, which we're lucky

22:31

to be.

22:33

Yeah, stupid city, You.

22:40

Didn't really consider yourself a football player?

22:42

Why would you say that at one?

22:45

I mean, compare

22:49

the people that didn't play in the NFL. Okay,

22:53

like I would beat their asset everything football.

22:56

Okay, I could probably throw football better than them. I

22:58

could tackle better than them. I can catch better than

23:00

him, I can kick better than him. I can probably read

23:02

a defense better than him. But when you talk about like

23:04

NFL guys or like high college football

23:06

guys, like what they have to do in

23:09

the game versus what I have to do,

23:12

Oh my god, the day to day my life is so

23:14

much better than their, you

23:17

know, like the film study,

23:20

the soreness, the banging, the

23:22

client like, and then I'm literally getting

23:24

better at corn hole, you know, while

23:26

they.

23:26

Are the way I got

23:29

a good really good are you I got?

23:31

I'm playing probably a couple times a year, but I

23:34

love it.

23:34

But you got to think, like these guys,

23:37

just you hear the legendary stories are of the NFL.

23:40

This guy watch more filmmainbody else. This

23:42

guy's fucking in the meeting room, you know,

23:45

watching film While they were

23:47

doing that. I was in the locker room

23:49

throwing corn hole. So like

23:52

all these legendary tales, this guy watched five

23:54

hours of film a day in between practice and workouts.

23:57

Those five hours, I was throwing the

23:59

bag. So I'm a fucking

24:01

grinder and everything.

24:02

Yeah, did not help my profession, do not

24:05

help the team, do not do anything.

24:06

But it's hard for me to really, you

24:10

know, like say that we were

24:12

anywhere near what every other position is

24:14

very much understand. I think every specialist

24:16

understands it. But it was my way of

24:18

making a lot of money in America. Like

24:21

I had a very strong leg. I was a good

24:23

soccer player. I

24:25

had ten x the amount of scholarship for soccer

24:27

than I did for football. I played overseas

24:30

whenever I was a teenager, Like there

24:32

had to be a real conversation between my dad

24:35

and I, like to be rich at

24:37

the time, and that's all I wanted to be was rich,

24:39

which is why I wanted to be a professional wrestler.

24:41

Because I turned on TV on Monday. Those

24:44

motherfuckers did rich. Yep, exactly,

24:46

professional sports. Those motherfuckers

24:48

looked rich. Comedians those motherfuckers

24:51

look rich. Show hosts, those motherfuckers

24:53

look rich. So like everything I'm doing right now

24:55

is only because I wanted to be rich. So,

24:57

like, what do you want to be when you grow up? I was asked

25:00

rich? And all these teachers hated

25:02

it. They hated it. Kid

25:05

next to me, I want to be a teacher. He's a hero,

25:07

right to this teacher. This

25:09

kid over here wants to be a firefighter like

25:11

noble. I appreciate that. Pat, What

25:13

do you want to be rich?

25:15

That is all that is, asshole?

25:16

That is literally, Bengo, I'm the worst kid

25:18

of all time, that is you

25:21

know. So like that's kind of how.

25:23

This is all kind of worked out. Yeah,

25:25

that is that is my entire life.

25:27

Is it an urban legend about you want some money

25:29

and took yourself to a kicking contest and

25:32

kind of was able to establish us.

25:34

So I graduate high school two thousand and five.

25:36

I don't know what year you boy, eight Damn,

25:42

look at your skin, look at mine?

25:46

You know what they say that we don't count, bro,

25:48

he don't count. Though, he don't count.

25:50

He don't count.

25:51

He don't count.

25:52

I'm not saying it,

25:55

but there's something about you

25:57

guys aging a lot better than me. So

26:01

two thousand and five, in

26:04

that time, World Series of Poker

26:06

was huge.

26:07

It was on ESPN. We all watched

26:09

it.

26:10

There was a dude named Chris Moneymaker who

26:12

was just this basic ass white

26:14

who I think like blue

26:17

collar from Middle America where

26:19

he became a millionaire overnight.

26:22

So pretty much every community that was like

26:24

mine from what I've learned from growing up,

26:26

we all started playing poker because we thought that was going to

26:29

be a way for us to make money and get rich. I

26:31

became a good poker player. I'd be playing in

26:33

my friend's houses. Obviously, it's like

26:35

twenty five cent fifty cent blinds, very

26:37

small annies and everything like that. We

26:39

all thought we were going to be the next World Series of Poker

26:42

Champions. But it was a good way for us to make

26:44

money, to spend for lunch extras,

26:46

things like that. I got a call like a

26:48

month before signing day that there was a kicking

26:51

camp happening down in Miami, Florida by

26:53

a guy named Mike McCabe, one on one kicking.

26:56

I was in physics class when the call happened

26:58

the guy's number. I still remember this day because

27:00

I was so pumped to receive the call. He

27:03

called me and basically said he's putting on a kicking

27:05

contest in Florida for

27:07

all guys that got scholarships. At

27:09

that point, I was offered a scholarship to Kent State

27:11

to be a field goal kicker because he wanted

27:14

guys to come compete against his guys that he coached

27:16

out in Florida. It was gonna be a college showcase.

27:19

It was happening like the next weekend or something

27:21

like that. I was pumped to get invited. I

27:23

felt like it was a big deal. He sends

27:25

over the information it was gonna end up costing like fifteen

27:28

hundred bucks. My dad, truck

27:30

driver went into working in a warehouse

27:32

mom secretary, Like, fifteen

27:35

hundred bucks in like a four day period

27:37

is not just like a feasible

27:39

thing. Dad, I think told me to actually go fuck

27:42

myself, like Okay, already

27:44

have a scholarship to Kent State at

27:46

the time too, So it's like, so, let me get

27:48

this straight. I need to come up with

27:50

fifteen hundred bucks for you to go to Miami

27:53

to kick to potentially get a scholarship when

27:55

you already have a fucking scholarship to Kent State.

27:58

That's not gonna happen.

27:59

So I am somebody

28:01

I think would prove to

28:04

be the case throughout the rest of my life, Like,

28:06

let me see if I can make this happen or not. There

28:09

is a big game happening that I heard about from one

28:11

of my friend's dads in the basement

28:13

of an Italian restaurant that in a

28:15

town that we grew up in was happening on like

28:17

a Thursday night or something like that, and

28:19

had bigger blinds, bigger annies, bigger

28:22

pots. And I thought to myself,

28:24

maybe I'll be able to go in there and

28:26

really do this dumb thought, blindly

28:29

optimistic, pretty narcissistic

28:31

as well, now that I think about it. When

28:33

I got a hundred bucks from one of my friends that has

28:35

money, I went in there and

28:38

I turned it into fourteen hundred bucks.

28:40

I left at like three point thirty.

28:41

Four am, and I met my dad

28:43

when he was getting up, like he was

28:45

waking up, and he was like, where

28:48

the fuck have you been? And I was like, gave

28:50

him the money, told him I need one hundred bucks,

28:52

went down to the camp, ended up winning

28:55

the camp, got a scholarship to West Virginia

28:57

the next morning in school.

28:58

Wow.

28:58

Yeah, so then I ended up going to West virgin Yeah,

29:01

stupid, dumbest life of all time.

29:03

It was Jack's Full of Nines

29:06

was the full house that I won the pot on, and

29:08

I actually had to hold on to my money for

29:11

the night. I was up to like eighteen hundred,

29:13

but I was by far the youngest person

29:15

there, and I didn't want to just get up and bail

29:17

because that's not etiquette or

29:20

smart, you know, in that particular thing.

29:22

So I just kind of held on ended up with fourteen

29:25

hundred, and the rest is kind of history.

29:27

But like you're talking about one of the dumbest situations

29:30

of all time. And if that doesn't happen,

29:32

do I go to West Virginia? Do I end up in the

29:35

NFL? Probably not? Probably not, which means

29:37

I'm the luckiest fuck of all time?

29:39

Right, I mean, yeah, I'd about to say,

29:42

I mean, you say dumb, I say dope. I

29:44

mean the fact that you know that story, in

29:46

the fact you win it, you get a scholarship. The next day

29:49

you end up, you know, going to West Virginia. Pat

29:51

White teams right. Oh yeah, he was a monster.

29:54

Monster, cool dude too.

29:55

Yeah.

29:56

Cool.

29:57

Major Harris was before me. May Harris,

30:00

great dude, always around, good times.

30:03

Major Harris is good times. If you're in

30:05

a room with Major Harris, you're gonna be having a good time.

30:09

And that's that's the vibes that our West Virginia

30:11

team had though, like Pat, Pat White, Steve

30:13

Slayton, then Noel Devine came later.

30:16

We had a really tight group, like and Pat

30:18

White was like the perfect leader.

30:20

Penny Pitchers, Penny Pitchers

30:22

of beer.

30:23

Come on man.

30:24

Back in the day, do you.

30:25

Know you know Chasers, you know, Chasers and Dreams.

30:27

That was the name of the bar. Club

30:30

z is another place I used to frequent. There was a place

30:32

called Lazy Lizard. I got out loans when

30:34

I was in college. I

30:36

was on full scholarship, which

30:38

is absurd to kick a football the

30:42

so my parents we've talked about this. Not a lot

30:44

of money and there's no nil back

30:47

in the day, Not that I would have got in it anyways,

30:49

but like there was nothing.

30:50

So you get that per diem or whatever. It was like eight hundred

30:52

bucks for the month. But you did.

30:54

You feel good though? You supposed to stretch it out. But that shit

30:56

was going on like.

30:56

Three or four days, and rent is happening. What

30:58

are we even doing?

30:59

So I got out these loans

31:03

at like twenty two percent interesting, forty

31:06

thousand dollars loans just to have.

31:08

A good time, and I just to have a good

31:10

time.

31:10

And I did, and I did, and I should

31:13

have focused more on kicking balls in Morgantown,

31:15

But boy, I had life blast there.

31:17

I think college, I mean Jack didn't get a chance to

31:19

go to college. I felt like college. I had a blast in the NBA.

31:21

But college was a fucking blast, great

31:24

time. Loved it so much fun, loved

31:26

it passing out drunk in Westwood

31:28

and going getting free drinks at bars and

31:31

just having the run of the little the little college. It

31:33

was dope.

31:33

I didn't know you were living like that.

31:35

It went hard, smoking weed, passing out,

31:37

having pulled Jirwan out of gutters when we played Syracuse

31:39

the number one team in the country on ABC the next

31:42

morning, like unbelievable.

31:43

Sell yeah, yeah, he said, hell yeah,

31:46

that was the old days.

31:47

Yeah, right before cameras, Like no, you know, it

31:49

was just if you were there, you saw it.

31:50

It's not it's an urban legend.

31:52

Everything else is.

31:53

Remember, I've heard a lot of stories about me, and I'm like, I don't

31:55

know if that's how that went, but if that's how you remember

31:57

it, probably that is.

31:59

But that was thought to myself.

32:01

If I don't make it to the NFL, I'll be in

32:03

debt like all these other motherfuckers in college.

32:06

And if I do make to the NFL, hopefully

32:08

I'll be able to pay this off. And uh

32:10

yeah it was money well spent.

32:12

I think money.

32:12

Well when did when did the NFL

32:15

be? You know, really start thinking like I

32:17

can do this for a living.

32:18

First time I kicked the football, I kicked six y five

32:21

year field goal?

32:21

Oh shit, yeah, really.

32:23

What I've had a

32:25

canon, this thing actual, that

32:28

leg Yeah, because I didn't play. I

32:30

think a big part of a lot of things, like the reason why I'm friends

32:33

with Stack and the reason why I know a lot of people is

32:35

because I was so fucking horrendous

32:37

at video games. So like

32:40

I'm a terrible video game player. My brother got

32:42

all the talent, Like I am so

32:45

bad. So I would

32:47

go out, like, hey, do you want to go do this? Yeah,

32:50

like where other guys might stay home and

32:52

play video games.

32:53

Hey, you want to go to Sunset?

32:54

Uh?

32:55

Yeah, I do want to go to Sunset. Do

32:57

you want to go to Cloud nine? Yes? I do

32:59

want to go to Cloud nine? Yeah. Like

33:01

do you want to go to all these places? Yes?

33:03

Because I didn't play video games. So when I was growing

33:05

up, I didn't play video games. I have add

33:08

so I literally would either be out

33:10

and about with everybody else or I would just kick

33:12

a soccer ball against the side of my house

33:15

for like hours and hours and hours.

33:17

And I was infatuating with having the strongest leg.

33:20

So when I was a kid, I actually kicked a soccer ball

33:22

broke a goalie's fucking arm, and I thought that was

33:24

the coolest thing of all time. Like

33:27

I thought that was really cool. And then I saw David

33:29

Beckham in the World Cup. I think he kicked

33:31

the ball like ninety some miles an hour. They

33:33

talked about and I was like, that's sweet,

33:35

Like I want to be able to kick the ball as hard as I can, So

33:38

I literally just would kick the ball against the side

33:40

of my house hours hours hours,

33:43

thump, thump, thump, thumph, break

33:45

a fucking window. Tim McAfee's pissed,

33:47

Sally mcfee's, man, let's fix the window.

33:52

Let's kick the ball again, you know, like that

33:54

is that is literally what I did. But like soccer

33:57

was supposed to be the thing, soccer was supposed to

33:59

be. So then whenever I

34:02

like I won the punt passing kick, Yeah,

34:05

and I murdered this ball. I just murdered

34:07

it. So then I went to a football

34:09

field. We had soccer practice and

34:12

there was a kicking camp happening. And

34:14

I grew up in an NFL town in Pittsburgh,

34:17

and anybody that's fan of football and those kickers are

34:19

nerds, you.

34:19

Know, so like at that time, I

34:22

go give me one of those balls.

34:23

Nerd, like actually send it to the kickers that

34:25

they were there, and I just my swing

34:27

was just a natural swing for it, and I kicked like

34:29

sixty yarder I think the first time I kicked the ball. And

34:32

it was at that moment everybody it was like, oh, there

34:34

might be some business in this one

34:36

here and h that really

34:39

changed everything. So, like, I literally the first

34:41

time I kicked the ball was when I was like, hey,

34:43

we could probably make a little money off.

34:45

How to get real lucky?

34:46

Yeah, a lot of luck goes into it. Everything,

34:48

a lot of luck goes into it.

34:49

Right, seventh round draft pick,

34:51

but you go to an amazing Colts team.

34:54

Peyton Manning, Reggy, Wayne Joseph died,

34:56

Dwight Freemy.

34:57

What are you?

34:58

What's your first NFL memory?

35:01

So I know I did have a punt when I got drafted

35:03

to punt.

35:04

You got that's right.

35:06

Yeah, So I got drafted to punt. In college, we

35:08

did this like Ozzie punt where

35:10

you would run. I would run to the right and

35:12

then I would like just hit it and then it would

35:14

roll on the ground. So it was like cheating

35:16

pretty much. You know, they wouldn't be able to return it. You

35:18

just kind of stole it. NFL punting is you have

35:20

to like punt a champion the air, right, So

35:24

I think the first memory I

35:26

had was I had to learn how to punt, right.

35:29

I just got drafted in the NFL to do this. I got

35:31

to learn that and then as soon as I got into the locker

35:33

room, I just like how cool

35:35

everybody was, Like you listed off

35:37

all those dudes right there, legends. Those

35:39

are all absolute legends. And literally from

35:41

day one, all those people were cool

35:43

with me and nice to me. And I'm a punter and I

35:45

was not good like and they saw me in

35:48

like training camp and a rookie camp.

35:50

I was not good at punting balls. And Hunter

35:52

Smith was the punter here and he was here

35:54

for like eleven years, be loved by

35:56

the city, be loved by the locker room,

35:59

and they cut him for me, so and

36:01

I didn't know how to punt. He's super religious,

36:04

he's in a like a Christian music band, Like

36:07

sounds like Jack exactly

36:10

exactly like him. We're talking polar opposite

36:12

human of me pretty much.

36:14

And everybody was cool.

36:16

So I just think my first memory was walking in the

36:18

locker room thinking I was going to be scared

36:20

to death and everybody being cool.

36:21

I think that's probably it.

36:23

Peyton Manning off the field obviously kind

36:25

of. Yeah, Jack was telling

36:27

me stories back in the day about paying was like Peyton Manning.

36:29

He's like, you ever go to

36:31

ten roof with him? You ever been in ten roof

36:33

with him. No,

36:36

not ten roof. What's this place done here? Slipper noodle?

36:39

No, I

36:42

mean he just like I don't think

36:44

he knows he's Peyton Manning.

36:46

That was the problem.

36:47

The story I told him is that's why.

36:48

Yeah, he he does not walk

36:50

around like he's Peyton.

36:51

Man And since he's like six or seven

36:54

years old, they've been telling him he's gonna be an NFL guy.

36:56

You know.

36:56

They have like a rebook commercial from when him and Eli

36:58

were kids basically say like these are the guys.

37:00

Somehow he's just remained a human. I

37:03

don't know how he's remained a human. Now in the building,

37:05

he's quarterback, GM

37:08

owner, coach if he wants to be,

37:10

and there will be times where he will exercise

37:12

his right to do all of those things

37:15

if he thinks it's in the best interest of the team.

37:17

But like off the field, as a teammate, he

37:19

took a lot of pride in being a human, you know,

37:21

Like he invited me to a lot of things. When you're talking

37:23

about like drinking beers with the boys, like

37:25

he was about that, like and

37:28

it was he took care of me. He helped

37:30

me out a lot business wise, He's helped

37:32

me out a lot. He's given me a lot of opportunities

37:34

too, So like I am forever

37:36

and then yeah, shut up, massive

37:40

fucking head though.

37:41

Like that

37:45

huge. He

37:48

has no idea who he is. That is

37:50

the.

37:53

I went on a golfing trip with him like

37:55

two years and I like to think that I run my own

37:57

business. And obviously he has like ten businesses. You

38:00

know, he's got some whiskey, he's got omaha, he's

38:02

coaching his kids games, he's doing all these things.

38:05

We went on a golf trip and he invited

38:07

me on, which is really cool. And you

38:09

weren't allowed to use your phone at this particular place where

38:11

you're golfing at Okay, So

38:14

as soon as we got to like the

38:16

afterwards when you have your phone, he had like sixty

38:18

emails or whatever, And for me,

38:21

I had like probably forty emails as well for business

38:23

stuff. And I scrolled through them. I'm like, God,

38:26

they really want something. They will email me again, you know, like

38:28

I'm just gonna mark these as red.

38:29

I'm out of here.

38:30

He responded to every fucking email.

38:33

You're talking about being diligent in every company

38:35

that he has. We're talking hands on,

38:38

thinking about everything like he

38:40

is just a robot, He's an alien. He might

38:42

not be from here, and very

38:44

very lucky that I got to be honest.

38:46

Yeah, absolutely, how

38:49

did wrestling come about?

38:50

It's awesome, isn't it.

38:51

Oh Man, there's

38:53

a bunch of marks over here. I

38:55

think I saw him brought a couple wrestling

38:58

marks. I'm wrestling mark.

38:59

Yeah. I hate those people.

39:03

Because they play on like our fans too, you

39:05

know, because I don't like to charge my fans for anything.

39:09

I try to make sure my show. My show is

39:11

free.

39:12

Like we haven't even sold tickets since COVID for people

39:14

because we don't want people to feel obligated to spend

39:16

money. I don't promote our merch store ever,

39:18

because I don't want people to feel obligated to spend money.

39:20

Like just their time and their like

39:24

thought that they'll support

39:26

us by watching is enough for me. So

39:29

like these autograph hounds, like

39:32

because I don't sign a lot of stuff, like

39:34

they'll charge the shit out of my fans. My

39:36

fans are buying, I'm thinking that it's good. Like so I feel

39:38

bad. I feel torn, like I appreciate these people,

39:41

but also like they're working in this whole thing. The

39:43

wrestling world has the most amount of like

39:46

hustlers, I'll say around it. Yeah,

39:48

I'm a wrestling Mark grew up as a

39:50

wrestling fan. We talked about Monday Night Ros,

39:52

the Monday Night Wars like it

39:54

was everything that I liked. I liked talking shit,

39:57

I liked I liked athleticism

40:00

them, I like the drama, I

40:02

like the comedy. I also grew up in the attitude

40:04

there with Stone Cold and The Rock. The Rock

40:06

being back right now is awesome,

40:09

absolutely awesome. I drank beers with Stone

40:11

Cold last year in Dallas, shout out to

40:13

Texas, like I had a

40:15

I've been living a dream. But it literally just

40:17

all comes from me watching as a kid, being a

40:19

die hard fan and continue to watch

40:22

for my whole life.

40:22

So anytime I get to do anything with him, I'm pumped.

40:26

My move. I punt, I pump people. I

40:28

punt people, pump the soul out of it. I

40:31

punt the soul out.

40:32

Any chance we'll see you in WrestleMania.

40:34

In Philly, I don't

40:36

know, dude, So I got a lot of science pumping through me right

40:38

now. You know when you retire, I

40:40

said, hey, I want that rich guy stuff. You know,

40:43

what are these rich guys taking that I see

40:45

on Instagram that are all you

40:47

know, don't get fat? Like, I don't

40:50

know how it works because with my

40:52

particular build, if

40:54

I eat pizza.

40:57

Four times, fat ass? Okay,

40:59

fat ass?

41:00

In the football season is long and

41:02

every year I've gained like fifty to sixty

41:04

pounds since retiring. So

41:07

this year I'm like, I'm gonna get

41:09

on the rich guy stuff that cheats and

41:11

keeps me thin.

41:13

Not as full as the ozempic move. But I'm

41:16

not against it. I will.

41:18

I will head to that route in a couple of years

41:20

if I If so, I'm on

41:23

a bunch of stuff.

41:23

Is it long term? Anything? Long term? You understand?

41:26

Like the outcome of that.

41:27

Not a clue. He's honest,

41:30

you know, Like, am I gonna die? Who

41:33

knows? Probably? They say everybody

41:35

is. But is this one gonna take years

41:38

off my life? Maybe? But what's

41:40

that gonna happen? Anyways? We don't

41:42

know. You know.

41:43

I've always said too, if I have something

41:45

that's gonna kill me, that we might

41:48

be able to have a cure for someday. I

41:50

would like to be frozen until we find the cure,

41:53

bring my ass back twenty one, twenty twenty

41:56

years in there. Think about me getting dropped

41:58

in that society, I'll be fucking pumped

42:00

up about it. Well, that being said, I don't

42:02

think I could pass any drum tests for

42:04

a WrestleMania.

42:06

Yeah, drum test people. So that's

42:08

real, dude. Oh yeah,

42:11

yeah, And I'm on everything. I think they're testing for.

42:16

Everything.

42:16

But sh

42:19

oh man, uh ultimate

42:21

goal in this media space? I mean you pretty much have it,

42:23

you know, doing what you want to do, and you brought your people along,

42:26

which we always love and respect. But what's your ultimate

42:28

goal in the space? You don't know

42:30

yet?

42:30

Enjoy it as it goes, enjoin

42:33

it.

42:34

Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea.

42:35

Like every step that we've

42:37

hit is cool, you

42:40

know, like the next step is cool. Like

42:43

I mean I negotiated a one hundred and some million

42:45

dollar contracts.

42:47

That was cool. That was really cool.

42:50

We get to clap, but

42:52

that was like a cool moment that I could have never fathomed

42:55

in my entire life. And then you talk about

42:57

the boys like I gave them backpacks

42:59

with like two and fifty thousand dollars, Like that's

43:01

a that's a cool that's a

43:03

cool thing that I could have never Yeah,

43:06

and we're running like.

43:07

A fifteen thank you, thank you.

43:08

We we we we we we, But

43:12

like, I don't know, man, I have no idea, because who

43:14

knows what the media space looks like a year from now?

43:16

Who knows what the show looks like a year from now.

43:18

Everybody talks about being a chess player, chess player,

43:20

chess player, like I'm checkers, man, I'm

43:23

just trying to get over you get to the next

43:25

one and then king me bitch right, yeah, and

43:27

I'm coming back.

43:28

But but but perhaps to you, you

43:30

are helping dictate what is going to be in

43:32

the future. You're a big part of what is going to be,

43:34

So you help you helping dictate what this space

43:37

is going to be.

43:37

You think you ever realized that in the moment,

43:39

You know, we don't. You know, you guys don't realize it. We don't

43:41

realize it that we are shaping what's

43:44

next. Yes, you are,

43:47

you too. I should

43:49

not be, but you are.

43:50

But you are, and and all bullshit

43:52

aside. He just said that you

43:54

and you know you are. You and Shanna the biggest faces

43:56

in this right now. So you need to accept that, bro,

43:59

because your hard work put you so

44:01

and we when we giving your props

44:03

because we in the space too.

44:04

But we've seen what you've done and what you're doing.

44:09

Of course, I

44:13

really, really genuinely appreciate that.

44:15

Now, granted, do you just put like, I don't know what, a

44:18

lot of pressure.

44:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can have

44:21

it. You can handle it, you.

44:22

Can have it.

44:25

No, I appreciate that, And

44:27

I do think every decision

44:30

that I make, and I'm not saying I'm making

44:32

decisions for anybody else, I am making

44:35

decisions for our company to continue

44:37

to survive and hopefully other

44:40

companies that are like ours in the future to

44:42

be able to do it. You know, That's what the decisions

44:44

are happening. But I also think like

44:47

there's a lot of things that if anybody

44:49

else was in my spot, they would be doing the

44:51

exact same thing. Like there's a lot of common

44:53

sense ship that just doesn't make any sense

44:56

that is happening in the sports.

44:59

Bullshit.

45:00

That's my way, they know, that's my word. I'm first team all common

45:02

sense. The world has lost that, but go ahead.

45:04

Well, not just the world, people that are in positions

45:07

of power in a lot

45:09

of businesses more specifically

45:11

for this particular conversation, the sports media

45:13

world, there's a lot of idiots

45:16

that are making a lot of decisions, and

45:18

those idiots made a lot of money for a long

45:20

time doing something in one particular fashion,

45:23

so they're going to hang on to that.

45:24

For as long as they possibly can.

45:27

And there is other stuff happening

45:30

very quickly, and tomorrow

45:32

is meeting today at a rate

45:35

that I think we all are expecting.

45:37

But I think there's a relationship

45:40

between what used to be in the future

45:42

that can still coexist. And

45:44

I think from my standpoint, I

45:46

have tried to extend an olive branch to

45:49

the olds, you know, to

45:51

say like, hey, this is what we've seen to be successful,

45:54

but what they have done in return is like not

45:57

the case. So whenever we

45:59

do break through on something, I do take

46:01

a lot of pride in the fact that, like, Okay, somebody else

46:03

is probably going to be able to say that this is

46:05

how it should be because now there's a precedent. But

46:07

I'm not saying I'm the only one that's done this. Like obviously,

46:11

like Joe Rogan's deal with Spotify

46:14

huge, like that was fantastic,

46:17

you know, even like Mike Floria with Pro Football

46:19

Talk, he sold his company like two different times,

46:22

both the ESPN and then the NBC. Like, there's

46:24

a lot Barstool Sports. What they've been able to do

46:27

in the business that they've been able to run, it's like there's

46:29

a lot of people before me. So whenever people were like,

46:31

hey, you're doing this, you're doing that, it's like, I

46:34

appreciate that, and I do feel like I've made

46:36

some gains in some places that needed it, But

46:38

like it's inevitable. It is inevitable,

46:41

and we're lucky to be here.

46:43

At the time that it is.

46:44

Take us to the journey quickly, you

46:46

know, Barstool Fan Duel, and

46:49

then eventually to where you're at with ESPN now,

46:51

because like I said, you went places, but we're able

46:53

to keep it yours and we're able to get

46:55

up and move and get other deals in the process.

46:57

But talk to us about the journey of those three companies.

46:59

So whenever I was playing, I followed along

47:01

with Barstool because I was a fan of Big Cat obviously

47:04

followed Caleb and Dave and

47:06

Hank, and I don't think PFT had joined

47:08

there yet, but I had known a PFT and his big

47:10

brain, and you know, if you're an internet

47:13

like I had a merch store or podcast, I was doing that.

47:15

I was a digital company, so I was watching

47:17

what they were doing. And whenever

47:19

I retired or was going to retire, none of those

47:21

networks wanted me. So like Dave

47:23

was the first one to really reach out and be like,

47:26

hey, we just got an investment from the Churning

47:29

Group.

47:29

We have some money. When he retire, we'd

47:31

love to talk, and we kind of chit chatted.

47:33

I didn't want to move to New York.

47:34

I wanted to stay in Indianapolis because

47:37

I thought I had a good connection here or good network here.

47:39

I loved living here.

47:40

I don't like, I don't want to live in a big city, like

47:43

I really wanted to stay here. So we had

47:45

like a satellite company almost and

47:47

I got to learn and watch while still

47:50

running our own thing. And then whenever

47:52

we broke off, it was like all right, here we go.

47:54

And I'd been running my own company

47:57

in my own show, and Fando

47:59

just became our exclusive sports book. So

48:02

they didn't own my company, they didn't

48:04

own the show. They were just our sports book.

48:06

Just like if COR's laut was

48:09

our beer, they would be our exclusive beer.

48:12

Fanda was our exclusive sports book. But

48:14

with that relationship, because of the people

48:16

we knew over there, we're able to create promos

48:19

and do things and kind of learn about

48:21

that world and learn about marketing. And

48:24

then I just got to the point where I wanted

48:26

my life.

48:26

To be easier. Like we're booking,

48:29

we're selling the ads, we're

48:31

creating.

48:32

If we want to do a live show like this, we

48:34

would have to be the ones that would book the local camera

48:36

people, the local hands.

48:38

To build it.

48:39

Like, I just kind of got it to a point where

48:41

I was I think we all were sick of doing all

48:43

of the bullshit, so we wanted a little

48:45

bit of help.

48:46

So decided I'm going to take the

48:48

show to a network.

48:49

And ended up getting a deal done with

48:51

Jimmy Pataro and Bob Iger and

48:54

you know, license a show to them, and they've

48:57

helped out immensely. I mean

48:59

the access in the

49:02

production, Like we were alive

49:05

in ten different college towns. That

49:08

would have cost me, I don't know, maybe

49:10

forty hours of fucking work, but ESPN

49:12

just kind of took care of it. It's like they've

49:14

made my life easier They've made our access

49:16

a lot easier, and yeah, I still

49:19

retain one hundred percent rights and creative

49:21

freedom and ownership on my show. But

49:23

like, they're an incredible partner and I'm lucky to be there.

49:26

There's a lot of middle management there though that.

49:28

Well, I mean, I mean not love.

49:30

We don't have to even speak names, but you spoke a

49:32

name and called out someone a suit that you felt

49:34

like was kind of yeah for real, Yeah,

49:40

I mean the courage to do that, and you

49:42

got a lot of you already had respect, but even more

49:44

respect for doing that. Has there been any backlash,

49:46

any conversation, like, because like you said, there is

49:48

a give and take and a

49:52

tug between what people hung

49:54

their hats on for years and made a lot of money and

49:56

what is coming and what it's going to be.

49:58

I don't know, I don't know if there was any conversations

50:00

that happened behind obviously,

50:04

so you know, like

50:06

I thought that was a warning shot to that guy.

50:09

You know, I didn't even think that was Yeah,

50:13

because I'm the I'm the

50:15

executive.

50:15

Producer of my show.

50:18

I report directly to

50:20

Jimmy and Bob, So I'm

50:24

not really viewing anybody as like I said, everybody

50:26

like pat calls out his boss.

50:27

I'm gonna motherfucking boss, what

50:29

do we you know?

50:30

Like, what do we jim Pet we

50:33

talk to Jimmy Pataro or Bob Iger, Like is that

50:35

who we're talking about? Because those are people

50:37

that could technically be described

50:40

as my boss, and like Burke Magnus

50:42

as well, and have a great relationship with him.

50:44

But I think even Burke would say like, yeah,

50:47

like we have a good relate, like we are talking

50:50

like this as opposed to like

50:52

this, And so that was just

50:54

a warning shot too. I thought a person

50:56

that was, you know at the same

51:00

which is hilarious because he's the former president of the place.

51:01

I guess a lot of people, we had a lot of fear of them.

51:03

I did not, like I do not have I

51:06

that guy, that guy left

51:08

me sitting in his office for forty five minutes. No

51:10

showed me when I was supposed to have a meeting with him, right

51:14

when five years ago, six years ago, whatever,

51:17

No showed Yeah, wow, Yeah, so you remember

51:19

that, what's that? And you remember that it's

51:21

things a fucking elephant, bring money? Yeah,

51:24

yeah, I am yeah, Yeah, I got

51:26

everybody's Yeah. He

51:28

also he also banned all my friends

51:30

from coming on my show. So there was

51:33

h There was a ban of ESPN talent on

51:35

my show on YouTube that came

51:37

directly from him, which so much

51:39

show that I started a hashtag ESPN

51:42

stinks. The day that everybody

51:44

got banned from my show, you know, I trended for like eight

51:46

nine hours or something like that. And then that's

51:49

the next day is when I met Jimmy Patarro. Jimmy

51:51

Pataro called me and said like, hey, how

51:54

do we you know what's the deal? And

51:56

I told him about you gause are banning

51:58

my friends from coming on my show. Matt hassel

52:00

back and worked at the ESPN, and Jeff pass And worked

52:02

at the ESPN. Dani Rolovski worked at ESPN.

52:05

All these people that I've known since before

52:07

they got into ESPN. Like they're not

52:09

even allowed to come on my podcast or whatever or

52:12

my YouTube show. You guys banned

52:14

it. So like that guy was

52:16

not a fan of me or our operation

52:18

for a long time. So then whenever

52:21

ESPN signs us and he

52:23

runs sports Center and our show is

52:26

now in place of sports Center at noon, I'm

52:28

a fan of sports Center. We all watched Sports Center.

52:31

I grew up on.

52:34

But there became like a war almost

52:36

from behind scenes, from

52:38

like Sports Center people and like

52:40

people that have been in ESPN a long time against

52:43

us coming in and taking their jobs

52:46

and all this other shit. And I didn't see

52:48

it like that. We were like pumped

52:50

that we made it to the big leagues, Like hey,

52:52

I'm pumped We're on the.

52:53

Worldwide leave Like that's how I viewed it.

52:55

I and this is what I'm talking about, playing

52:57

a checkers player, like get the ESPN

52:59

deal done, like this is awesome, Like we joined the ESPN

53:01

team, so lucky to be here. We get

53:04

access, and then immediately it's like this

53:06

guy sucks. This guy's ruining ESPN.

53:08

And it's not coming for people outside of ESPN. It

53:11

was coming from people within ESPN. And

53:13

I did not expect that at all. So I immediately

53:15

like, okay, I'm in war, Like that's

53:17

what if that's what we're doing.

53:18

We're in war.

53:19

And then once you start learning about how shit's going

53:21

behind scenes, things that are being said to people,

53:24

things that are being leaked, the timing in which they're being

53:26

leaked, it's like, oh, they're trying to kill me, Like

53:28

they're trying to They're trying to make our

53:30

show impossible to advertise with. They're

53:33

trying to make sure people don't watch our show. So

53:35

like, as I started learning that, I'm like, all

53:37

right, well that's not gonna I don't know how this has gone in

53:39

the past with other people, but

53:42

yeah, this particular white trash kid from Pittsburgh

53:44

like, hey, suits, this ain't

53:47

this is not how this is going to go. So that

53:49

was just a warning shot. I didn't that wasn't

53:51

even like supposed to be au. And then obviously

53:54

it goes big and I heard from

53:57

this is no lie, no less than like forty p

54:00

that have worked at ESPN or used

54:02

to work at ESPN, and they were like, thank you

54:04

for saying what you said. And I was like, well,

54:07

if I really crafted a statement about that,

54:09

I mean I could have said something much better. But I

54:11

also did not appreciate the thing

54:13

I didn't think about once again, checkers player. I

54:15

did not expect the backlash afterwards.

54:18

Like Burke Magnus just became the president

54:20

of Content at ESPN. I think he has

54:22

a great vision for what the future of sports

54:24

media should look like. He was a big part

54:26

of us joining ESPN. People were attacking

54:29

Burke because it made him look sloppy, because

54:31

it's inside the building. People are attacking

54:33

Jimmy because it looked sloppy, And

54:35

that was something that I did not think about.

54:37

I was very apologetic about, like I

54:39

didn't mean to take down my allies or make

54:42

allies.

54:42

Look bad in the whole thing.

54:44

But I genuinely did not expect it to get as

54:46

big as it did, because I didn't think I said anything that

54:48

was like that crazy, you

54:51

know what I mean, Or like

54:54

I'm a pretty good talker. You know, I'm

54:56

pretty good promo cutter. Like if I really

54:59

wanted to saw motherfucker her down, like I thought, I could

55:01

have done it in a much bigger way, and

55:03

I did not, So I was actually pretty proud of

55:05

myself. I was like, look at me, I'm

55:08

an adult. And then it got loud.

55:09

I'm an adult.

55:10

I'm an adult.

55:11

It got real loud, got real loud.

55:14

But yeah, that'll be me forever, and it'll be a gift

55:16

in the curse.

55:16

We appreciate and respect it. We're

55:19

here, quick hitters, finishing up the show.

55:21

First thing to come to mine. Top five

55:24

special team players in NFL history.

55:26

Top five special teams.

55:28

Okay, so I got to have my guy

55:30

on here.

55:31

We got Adam Vicitari on there.

55:33

Okay, we'll

55:35

have Justin Tucker on there, Brandon

55:39

Slater on there from the Patriots,

55:44

Devin Hester.

55:45

Oh, Chicago, be on there.

55:49

Who's yours? Who's your guy?

55:51

You go, I'm gonna let you go five, Dante Hall, Bill

55:54

Bates.

55:55

Okay, yeah, Bill Bates and talking.

55:58

But I will put Bill Bill Bates.

56:00

Do not, but he's on my list.

56:01

He was the animal special.

56:03

Yeah, I agree, Bates was that dog

56:06

putting Bill Bates at five.

56:08

Bill Bates.

56:10

Now he's a monster. Bill Bates is a monster.

56:12

That guy when he was on the field man,

56:16

he was the guy. But then

56:18

like Shane Leckler's in there as well because

56:20

he was so good. Mike Cipher's Yeah, there's

56:22

a bunch.

56:23

There's a bunch of men. Hell

56:26

yeah, congrats of the Hall of Fame.

56:27

Yeah, Julius Peppers

56:30

made it as well. Yes, Freenie

56:32

made it.

56:33

Reggie needs make it next year.

56:35

Yeah, Vinnie's up.

56:37

Next year first time.

56:40

Yes, agreed, dream

56:42

interview our guest on your show that you would

56:44

like to have mm.

56:48

M hmmm.

56:49

So Roger Goodell is scared to come on the showy.

56:53

Kind of see it, kind of see what.

56:54

But yeah, he has never said

56:57

he's scared, but that's just my whole angle. Hopefully I'll

56:59

be able to bait him into coming on the show.

57:00

You know. I had to start openly calling him out saying he was

57:02

scared because he was doing a lot of interviews. He's

57:05

going on a lot of shows.

57:06

We put a request in like every week for the last

57:08

like five years to have him on the show. And

57:10

Brian McCarthy, I think he is the NFL PR guy.

57:12

He knows of us, you know. So Roger

57:15

Goodell coming on a show would be good, but that's

57:17

going to be in person, you know, because you

57:20

know, we have some questions.

57:20

But Roger Goodell is.

57:21

Like the greatest speaker of all time, which

57:23

is always my thing to him, like, hey, don't be scared, rog

57:26

don't be scared. You're a guy that can dance.

57:28

But I have great admiration

57:31

for the work that he's done as a businessman for

57:34

the NFL and what he's been able to guide

57:36

the NFL through.

57:37

So I think the conversation with Rodger Gadell would be.

57:39

Dope and Elon Musk, Yeah,

57:41

I mean that would be because I think he's an actual alien.

57:45

That's a whole other conversation. That

57:48

motherfucker's not from here. He even builds his

57:50

own rocket ships to go to space. He's doing

57:52

it right in front of us, our face. He's

57:55

doing it right in front of our face.

57:57

Yeah.

57:58

I was wondering if we could do a go ahead and plug the chip in

58:00

your brain.

58:01

No, no you can't.

58:04

And he's like, well, I got these rocket ships to go to space.

58:06

It's like okay. And then he's digging

58:08

tunnels better than anybody in

58:10

history, right, better than anybody

58:12

in his making.

58:13

The Mexican drug cartels look like child's

58:15

play.

58:16

Hey, what's his face getting out of

58:18

that jail hopping

58:21

on a motors They said he hopped on a motorcycle with

58:23

lighting down the entire tunnel.

58:25

As they passed these light they bust them so nobody

58:28

couldn't follow them.

58:29

Somebody could follow.

58:29

The t You're right, I mean there's some great tunnel

58:32

builders out there,

58:37

childhood crush, you know, Kelly Kowski.

58:41

They probably saved by the door. Yeah,

58:43

I think I watched Save by the Bell.

58:46

Let's see. I think that's yeah.

58:47

I think that would probably be Tiffany.

58:50

That's her name, right, see.

58:52

You know, yeah, yeah, saved

58:55

by the bed and then she went to Beverly Hills nine or two.

58:57

We no, see, I didn't make the transition, Okay,

59:02

I'm not ashamed.

59:03

Wanted to be one.

59:06

I didn't. He tried out for.

59:07

You know what Screech made transition into slinging

59:10

dick.

59:13

Screech didn't do that, rest in peace to

59:15

the Screech starts.

59:16

Very dead, very dead dick

59:19

resting piece. He did, though. That was his thing transition,

59:22

not like Drake, but

59:25

a.

59:25

Different you know, different level shoes

59:28

scores like dude, oh.

59:33

Goodness, what's your guilty pleasure?

59:35

Pat watching people

59:37

slang dick.

59:37

Yeah, that

59:40

was up.

59:41

That Drake thing was messed up, wasn't

59:43

it.

59:44

I didn't see it, Yes, you did.

59:45

I promise it was in everybody's algorithm

59:48

like that.

59:48

By the time I thought it was blurred out. So I'm I'm

59:50

glad I missed the beginning together.

59:52

Well, it was a massive blur, is what we're That's

59:54

what we're talking about.

59:56

Drake's dick pict I'm glad I didn't see that.

59:59

Your algorithm taking care of you, because I want to let

1:00:01

you know I

1:00:03

woke up to take my morning ship, just basic

1:00:06

morning ship. That's all I'm doing. What's

1:00:08

going on the internet, you know, open

1:00:10

it up? Well,

1:00:14

I guess I don't think he.

1:00:15

Did well after

1:00:18

watching a video. I mean he

1:00:20

probably did. I mean that was that's

1:00:22

just strategic.

1:00:24

Anyways, the internet's wild right now, guilty

1:00:27

pleasure. I don't honestly,

1:00:30

I I.

1:00:32

Uh, I

1:00:34

work.

1:00:37

I don't know that kind of it's kind of bumming

1:00:39

me out now. Now I'm thinking about my hobbies and ship.

1:00:42

I don't really have any I should pick them

1:00:44

up.

1:00:45

I don't know.

1:00:45

Just work, man, what's the grind? What's your work

1:00:47

week?

1:00:48

Like?

1:00:48

What's a what's an average Monday

1:00:50

through Friday? How mean, how are you putting in a

1:00:52

week?

1:00:54

I don't know?

1:00:54

And calling it work as a job too, by the way, but

1:00:57

you get it, like showing up and

1:00:59

trying to.

1:01:00

Profit off of stuff.

1:01:01

The I'll wake up,

1:01:04

you know, got a baby, So wake

1:01:06

up when she's up, like six thirty

1:01:09

ish, see baby for

1:01:12

forty five minutes or so, hang out, let her

1:01:14

know I exist. Then head into

1:01:18

Thunderdome, get a workout

1:01:20

in, and I probably have like three zoom calls

1:01:23

in the morning. Depending

1:01:26

upon future ad deals,

1:01:29

maybe scheming with companies

1:01:32

that were already with and everything like that. Then

1:01:35

we're planning show, and the show plan

1:01:38

is just like group text pretty much.

1:01:40

We don't have a block B, block C block. We're

1:01:43

way it's a three hour promo.

1:01:45

We're just three hours of shit talking and anything

1:01:47

that shows up in our group text could come up on

1:01:50

the show. So like the boys just kind

1:01:52

of have to know like to be on

1:01:54

our show. And it's why I'm so thankful

1:01:56

for our guys. Like anything

1:01:59

that shows up in the gre text, which is active all

1:02:01

day all night, like could come

1:02:03

up, like if I just in my head,

1:02:06

oh wait, didn't I see something? And then boom,

1:02:08

We're right into a conversation about it. So that's

1:02:10

like probably the last two hours before we go live

1:02:12

at noon noon to three, three

1:02:15

thirty four. We got the show, probably

1:02:17

a couple of meetings afterwards, and I'm out of there like

1:02:19

six, six thirty seven. Then the

1:02:21

game days on Saturday during the football

1:02:24

season, and then Monday Night Raw is

1:02:26

on Monday nights. After the show, I'll

1:02:28

fly to wherever Monday Night Raw is, fly

1:02:30

back to Indie for show Tuesday morning,

1:02:33

and then kind of put that on repeat.

1:02:34

You know his home here is Homelow. Yeah,

1:02:36

okay, everything's based out here. I love it.

1:02:38

Yeah, I don't you know.

1:02:40

I drove down here. We're supposed to take twenty seven minutes.

1:02:43

It took like an hour because the snowstorms a

1:02:45

little bit. Yeah, we appreciate you making

1:02:47

time. No, but like this is when this happens,

1:02:49

you think to yourself, why do I live in Indianapolis

1:02:55

Lake Lake Lake, Lake Lake, Like

1:02:58

easy, by jesus, want

1:03:00

my.

1:03:00

Fucking address stack?

1:03:01

The city is huge.

1:03:04

Yeah, I'm not in Carmel. A

1:03:06

lot of suits at Carmel. Definitely

1:03:13

beautiful place.

1:03:14

One thing you wish you were better at.

1:03:19

As crazy as it sounds, like communication, So

1:03:22

like I might show them good business,

1:03:25

good you know, but

1:03:27

I think my wife would tell me that I could

1:03:29

be better.

1:03:30

I think, like I tell the same thing.

1:03:31

I get paid to talk all day, and I

1:03:34

need to learn how to communicate better with her.

1:03:35

It's funny you said that.

1:03:36

Yeah, it's like her, and like, you

1:03:39

know, like there's so many different chapters

1:03:42

and eras of my life. It's

1:03:44

like if I see people from

1:03:47

my past, it'll be like we never missed a day.

1:03:50

But like I'm not good at like

1:03:52

keeping up with people, you know, like I get

1:03:54

so wrapped up in work, in what I'm doing.

1:03:57

I'm not good at like keeping in touch

1:03:59

with people that I genuinely care about, you

1:04:02

know, like people that I don't really

1:04:04

see often and aren't

1:04:06

in my sphere on a regular

1:04:08

basis. Like I'm not good at

1:04:10

sending like hey, what's

1:04:12

up? You know, Like I like posts on

1:04:15

the internet, and like in

1:04:17

my eyes, I like to be like see like

1:04:19

I'm paying I want them to know, like I still

1:04:21

appreciate them. But I think I could be a much

1:04:23

better like personal communicator

1:04:26

in my life. And uh, I think

1:04:28

enjoying life a little bit more, Like I

1:04:31

enjoy my work, but like I'm

1:04:33

always on my phone when I'm home,

1:04:36

Like I try my best to be

1:04:38

present like I do, but like all that

1:04:40

shit, like being a human a little bit better.

1:04:42

I think I would like to get and

1:04:45

get going. It's crazy, isn't it.

1:04:47

Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we're talking about a counseling is

1:04:49

a session right here, but for real, it's funny.

1:04:51

Say, okay, so you go to counseling. I'm scared to

1:04:53

go because it's all working for me. I don't want

1:04:55

to change.

1:04:56

I don't think it's about what's not working.

1:04:58

It's just working and finding the two to be able

1:05:00

to make what you're looking for work. You know, how do you balance

1:05:02

that? How do you communicate that? How do you how are you present

1:05:05

in the moment?

1:05:07

Because I'm good, like at works like right now, very

1:05:09

like I'm great.

1:05:10

I'm having We literally

1:05:12

just had this in our counseling, Like I get paid a lot

1:05:14

of money to talk to the world, but have

1:05:17

issues talking to the people I love the most.

1:05:19

Yeah, and like I always feel like I'm gonna interrupt

1:05:21

them, like I don't want to, you know, like that whole

1:05:23

thing. So okay,

1:05:25

so I should think about maybe talking to somebody. How about

1:05:27

this ayahuasca?

1:05:29

You know, like

1:05:31

that I talk to somebody, Well, that's who

1:05:33

they talking to day problems, that's why somebody.

1:05:37

And are they taking? Hey are they taking? And my

1:05:39

problems really just lay away with that person. They're taking

1:05:41

it to somebody else and then they're bringing it back.

1:05:43

I've got but

1:05:46

ayahuasca. I'm scared to death.

1:05:47

I want to try that.

1:05:48

Yeah, but like reset your brain. I'm like I'm in a good spot,

1:05:51

like my.

1:05:51

Brain I needn't need

1:05:53

to reset stack.

1:05:55

You do not look cool. You look cool.

1:05:57

You look.

1:06:00

Those boots. I'm gonna

1:06:02

get your pareagator booth. I need to get your number

1:06:04

after this, Pat, let me get jack some case cases.

1:06:07

Oh yeah, yeah yeah, finish Texas.

1:06:09

Right here, I got that out of the

1:06:12

what's that place to go?

1:06:13

Down there? In the boot barn?

1:06:16

Come on, man, pull it, pull it put stockyards

1:06:19

stock Okay, you have ever been born?

1:06:20

Is the spot though, I'm

1:06:23

telling you.

1:06:23

I was a couple of barns down there. I

1:06:26

don't know which one was the boot. There's

1:06:30

a lot of barn There's a lot of barns down there.

1:06:32

I got a cowboy hat, I got a belt buckle, I got

1:06:34

these boots.

1:06:35

I mean I was Yeah, I was

1:06:37

really in there. I was really in there.

1:06:39

One guess you would like to see on all the smoke.

1:06:41

But you have to help us get your answer on the

1:06:44

show.

1:06:44

Oh some booking for you guys.

1:06:46

Just one time.

1:06:49

I mean it's not like it's not like yours.

1:06:52

It's not like you're busy booking your own

1:06:54

ship. But yeah, one time for us.

1:06:57

Hey, not a bad Hey, not a bad

1:07:00

bad little quick hitter. Hey, who

1:07:02

you're booking on our fucking show. I

1:07:05

think Aaron would love the show. Has he been on

1:07:07

from North cal He hasn't. Yeah,

1:07:09

I think you yeah, I will drop

1:07:11

the work, right. I think Peyton would

1:07:14

be good on.

1:07:14

The one because I definitely want to talk

1:07:16

to about the IA was.

1:07:19

Hey, he's got the answers there, they

1:07:22

got that, they got told, they got some.

1:07:24

I want to try the back of the toad.

1:07:25

Have you talked to Mike Tyson?

1:07:28

Never?

1:07:28

Yeah, he's I think you guys would vibe.

1:07:30

Okay.

1:07:30

I don't want to shoo on myself, so yeah, I

1:07:32

don't want to do that. I don't want to get high and shipp on myself.

1:07:34

You're talking about to told

1:07:37

I heard it's coming basement and Adam.

1:07:39

Now I'm cool, I'm cool.

1:07:44

I just put a diper on. I

1:07:46

think you and Mike you're.

1:07:47

Trying to hit this.

1:07:48

I think the I don't know which di mension you're trying

1:07:50

to get to. But boy, I heard once you

1:07:52

bust through four, you know, because we're in the third one,

1:07:55

right, Yeah, once you bust through four. From what

1:07:57

I've been told, you're really

1:07:59

living up there. From what I've been doing. Seventhethh

1:08:01

dimension yeah, I don't want to go that high.

1:08:03

No, yeah, you're fucking yeah yeah Cloud

1:08:06

ten. They said, maybe you mentioned ten. You're up there

1:08:08

Mike Tyson though, Yeah, so obviously

1:08:11

you know Mike Tyson's fucking Mike Tyson. So like,

1:08:14

I know who Mike Tyson is, and I

1:08:16

think everything that he has

1:08:18

done to kind of like bounce

1:08:21

I don't say bounce back, but like, yeah,

1:08:24

is.

1:08:25

So fantastic, inspiring, awsome,

1:08:27

Like when he starts.

1:08:28

Talking, I love listening because

1:08:31

I think what a lot of people forget is like there's

1:08:34

not a lot of Mike Tyson's in like Kobe's.

1:08:37

There's only a few that have ever existed,

1:08:39

you know, you talk about like MJ Kobe,

1:08:41

those people.

1:08:42

Mike Tyson's up in there, Serena Williams is

1:08:44

up in that like up in those levels.

1:08:47

So when that persons speaking, I

1:08:49

am going to be listening, Like that is Tom

1:08:52

Brady, Peyton Manning like those fuckers

1:08:54

that are up there. Like so Mike

1:08:56

in the way he's been so transparent and

1:08:58

authentic and every everything he's done.

1:09:01

Obviously I have become a massive

1:09:03

fan of his. So when I do the SPI's.

1:09:07

That happened like two days beforehand, it

1:09:09

was decided that I was going to do the SP's because they didn't

1:09:11

have a host because there was a writer's

1:09:13

strike going on everything like that. So

1:09:15

Jimmy Patar and I were talking and it came up, and

1:09:19

he basically said, like, I forget

1:09:21

how it came up, but it was announced moments

1:09:24

before. I talked to Jimmy Pataro that

1:09:26

there was going to be no host for the SP's, like

1:09:28

literally moments before. So I brought

1:09:30

it up and he was like, yeah, we don't have and

1:09:32

I said, that'd be easy work. I

1:09:35

said to Jimmy, that'd be easy work. You know, it's

1:09:37

like stand up for ten minutes in the SP's.

1:09:39

Like that's easy. It's like two days from

1:09:41

now though. He said like it's like in two days or whatever. I'm

1:09:43

like, easy work, no problem at all. I was like,

1:09:46

if you guys want me to do it, I would love to do it.

1:09:48

I'd be honored to do it, and Jimmy goes,

1:09:50

Okay, let's do it. I was like deal.

1:09:53

So they tell the person running the

1:09:55

SPI's his name's Connorshell. Used

1:09:57

to work at ESPN. Connorshell now

1:10:00

he left ESPN and

1:10:02

he has a production company that does the SP's and NFL

1:10:05

honors.

1:10:06

He was not necessarily as pumped that Iah.

1:10:10

He was not necessarily as pumped as I

1:10:12

was to get to do the opportunity.

1:10:15

So they wanted me to send over what

1:10:18

my open was going to be, you know, so

1:10:20

they could punch it up, put some jokes in and

1:10:22

everything, like make it better. So

1:10:25

no fucking chance am I sending

1:10:27

over what I'm actually gonna say.

1:10:29

To these people. So I type up

1:10:31

a big fake speech.

1:10:34

I type up a fake speech. Took me seventy

1:10:37

five minutes to type up this fake speech. But

1:10:40

in the fake speech had all the

1:10:42

beats because I knew, like camera people would want

1:10:44

to know potentially who we could shoot. So like

1:10:47

tomorrow, obviously I'm going to talk about tomorrow.

1:10:49

I want to talk about these people. So I make fake

1:10:51

speech but put the people

1:10:53

that would need to be I felt very proud

1:10:56

of what I did. I was like, it's good,

1:10:58

I'm doing it.

1:10:59

Boys.

1:10:59

You know, the boys were helping me, you know, it was It

1:11:02

was a pretty cool thing. So that

1:11:05

whole story behind the scenes of the sb's is a

1:11:08

that is awesome.

1:11:09

That is awesome.

1:11:09

It involves me saying I don't care what

1:11:12

you say. Like, I'm gonna go out

1:11:14

there and do my thing and

1:11:16

you're either gonna hate it or love it. But there's nothing you

1:11:19

or I could do at this point, you know, because Jimmy

1:11:21

told him it's above me. Yeah, and it's above you too.

1:11:23

So everybody so like this is how it's

1:11:25

gonna go. So there was a little tension.

1:11:28

I think Connor good guy by the way, got a chance to chat

1:11:30

with him before, during, and after, great

1:11:32

relationship, I think he would say the same. But

1:11:35

as I walk on the stage, Mike Tyson's front fucking

1:11:37

row, like right here, and it

1:11:39

was at that moment I'm like, yeah, I'm at the SP

1:11:42

Like, Mike Tyson is right here. Patrick

1:11:44

Mahomes, Travis Kelsey were right here. I think

1:11:46

Jamal was over here. I think there was like

1:11:48

all the big names. Lindsay Vaughan I think was

1:11:50

sitting right here, and I was like, damn,

1:11:52

like Mike Tyson. Though, as I turned the corner, he's

1:11:54

the first person I see, and I'm like, fuck,

1:11:57

I'm at the SP's so I start talking

1:12:00

nothing. I see Mike's face.

1:12:02

This fucker is not budgeting, and I'm like, Okay,

1:12:05

Mike's not about my bullshit. You know, Mike does

1:12:07

not know I exist. About four minutes

1:12:09

in I got Mike to pop and I saw

1:12:11

him laugh, and I was like, so pulp.

1:12:15

I was like, I got, I got Mike

1:12:17

Tyson and in the middle of it, I almost stopped.

1:12:19

It was like Mike

1:12:24

exactly. I was so pumped by it. So I love Mike.

1:12:26

So if you guys are booking Mike Tyson.

1:12:27

On my show, well we'll do across. See

1:12:30

what we can do.

1:12:30

Who do you want?

1:12:31

You want Peyton?

1:12:32

All right, I'll send a text. I got no power over

1:12:34

this motherfucker, and.

1:12:35

We have no power of Mic, but we have his old

1:12:37

person needs to run the show. That works for us, So we're

1:12:40

good.

1:12:40

He's micro dosing and ship out of mushrooms.

1:12:42

Right, And I heard he

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was eating the ears ears.

1:12:47

Oh yeah yeah, and Mike, I'm a supporter, but.

1:12:49

Yeah I saw that in his pocket. Yes, yeah, yeah.

1:12:51

Yeah.

1:12:51

They're pretty good too. They're strong.

1:12:53

Yeah, they're fantastic. I was just out of Vegas

1:12:56

playing thirteen. The issue is I put in my

1:12:58

back pocket and I run hot. So we

1:13:00

got two to three sticking together right now.

1:13:01

Coming coming your way, coming

1:13:04

come in your way.

1:13:06

Absolutely. Yeah, we're just in Vegas

1:13:08

for cheers. Yeah, here's

1:13:11

I'll take the one and a half.

1:13:13

Just give me the one cheers.

1:13:16

Hey, cheersys CB,

1:13:18

the only CB, the

1:13:20

only obviously CEB, the only.

1:13:22

Oh those are those are warmed butt

1:13:24

all over that.

1:13:26

You guys. You guys got a little ass.

1:13:31

We want to thank you man again.

1:13:33

Uh thank you.

1:13:34

You know the trail you've blazed, being

1:13:36

able to do it your way on the biggest scale.

1:13:38

We admired that.

1:13:39

We respect it years and keep doing

1:13:41

your thing, man, Thanks for your time giving up.

1:13:43

Pat McAfee brother,

1:13:47

appreciate you guys.

1:13:48

Thank you