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Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The

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Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership

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with Showtime. M

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H. Welcome

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back All the Smoke live

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on set. Jack, what's good

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back in l A doing it our way? Trying

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to man, Man, we gotta I

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say special a lot, but I really feel

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like this dude right here is you know, one

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of the greatest. Uh. It's just an honor

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all the way from Pensacola, Florida. Man.

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Welcome Roy Jones, Thank you, appreciate,

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thank you, thank you. Got you got some gifts.

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Yeah, I got some talk to us about what's in these bags.

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You see the roots switch me up to hook

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y'all, little too too. You want me to make shine

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mean, so come and knock. Get

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y'all doing that.

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It's all say, it's all the same boat back. We're

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not. Just know, I just need to like

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we appreciate that, and we appreciate that

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we're familiar with them. Um all

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they do a lot of stuff with legends and another legend

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that we've found with a class

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to so appreciate you. Brother. We also

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got a gift for you. You we can't take

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a gift for that. Give a game than you my

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brother, all

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the smoke dots story, all

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our new gears, you

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know what I'm saying, new sweat suits, We got all kinds of stuff.

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Man, make sure you'll pull up bombs. Yeah sir, Well

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let's look, man, let's get to it. Pencacol Florida.

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Um, tell us about your bringing,

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man, It was, it was, it was. It was a pretty different

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type of on upbringing. You know. I grew up on

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the farm, so I had the animals, you know, game

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cocks. You know. I was just one of

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those little kids that God kind of blessed dirt.

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You know. People always tell you that God

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prepares you for what, for what already

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got ahead, you know. And for me going up, watching

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the animals have taught me a lout of a box in my fighting,

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so I would always take in everything because

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my thing. Man, I ain't get nothing. Nobody really

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do, really do, but able

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to have their own way of how they find their way through

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life. One of my ways through nature.

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You know. I had a I had a dope.

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My pension once basically saved

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my life. You know, some wild was about to follow me, and

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people don't believe the story. But the world

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I was small shouldn't been messed with the woodn't way about

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to fall back home. Man, the dog jumped up and put it

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with on the weight on the wood. Help get the word back from

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following me more loyal. If it would

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have felt on me I've been done, nobody would have got

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me there want to find me all day because my dad adn't got work

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like five o'clock in the afternoon, so nobody

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would have found me. But anyway, you know, I always been

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loyal to the animals because of what they do for me. So

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people always like how you just no, no, no no, it's not about

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that's about caring for things. And where you learn

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it from. God was teaching me from my

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observation what those animals

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were doing. So that's how I learned the

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game. And that helped me learn the

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game. And so when you start taking what

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God teaches you and you put it and you can put it in an actional,

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put in motion, it becomes a beautiful thing

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to my my upbringing. With that first, then when

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I got my teens, I

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kind of got to well. I started having

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no more challenges. We moved back to the city,

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out of the country and more time

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and my father being My coach was a tough thing

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because he was on the seven.

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When you're on a kid seven, A lot of fathers

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don't realize that you can't still on the

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four seven because you don't allow him time to be a kid.

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So that time not allow me to be a kid

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kind of drove me to be a different

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animal, you feel me. So it made

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me a good animal or a bad animal too,

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because I grew up with a lion mentality.

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A lion of mentality is once you leave

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in this, you don't go back the line, don't come back

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home. He leave that, will get there on

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that and say that's how I was raised up.

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So I appreciate him for teaching me

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it that way. I just

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I don't think we had to be quite as bad where

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we couldn't communicate to day. It's

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something able don't communicate to date. It's

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a hurtful thing in a sense. But

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when you know what like I know it, you know how deeply rooted

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understand Yeah, you understand it, So you can't

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really fault nobody for what they did. And I'm

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really appreciative for what I was

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talking the way I was talking, because it made me into something

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that I probably never knew I could be. Yeah,

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so that's that's that's really my upbringing. Where

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did you find the love for sports,

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in particular boxing, Well,

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honestly speaking, I was of my

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My father was my first hero, but

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he not. My father played basketball, and

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my father was thot you was nice to you thought

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you thought was like I realized it.

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Never it never stopped amazing me that

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once I see I taught y'all all, I'm like, you know what you

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did right back? But you played you

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played it back then. It was the D League.

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Yeah, I played against him. I

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was North Carolina. What you

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play for? I played for ah, the Bratonton

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Ducks there so the two thousand two Ye

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yeah, I played the league. Yeah

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yeah, yeah, that was right before I gut went up to the

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Clippers. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but

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an't better play, mother fucking Roy Jones. I

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enjoyed basketball first because that's

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what my father was playing. And my father was a hell

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of a shooter. My father was Sydney,

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of course, but he was damn the averaging

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four without three point line. You know, that's just how good

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shot he was. So I love

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basketball. But then we sat

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down once, well I didn't sit down he

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was sitting there watching the fight, and I realized what it was.

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It was Audie and Joe Fraser. I think in nineteen

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seventy four, I'm five

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years years old. I'm watching it and I'm

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seeing Mohammed he beat you with his mind.

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And at that age, already at five, I was a hell

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of agitated. I can get on anybody nerves.

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You know that mean, but they couldn't catch me. But I can get

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on anybody nerves. So I started seeing

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that. I was like, Wow, if somebody teach

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me to use my hands, I can do what he's doing because

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I'm never gonna get mad enough to you. I don't think

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me because I'm I don't get mad. I just it's smarter

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I could eat. So it's like when I teach my fighters

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now, I tell him my mental to what it

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was the truth. If you hit me one time, I would

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you six pack? Yeah.

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They that that's not getting even, that's getting a

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hit. I don't want to get even. I want to get a hit. Yeah

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you understanding, score boy, Yeah, that's

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where I came from. You were

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inducted or vote excuse me, in the International

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Boxing Hall of Fame after you

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know one of the greatest careers ever. What

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was that moment like to you? It was very different,

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man. It was like something we all look forward to, both

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of y'all. I'm sugar be that one thing, and y'all just

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pick the sports as well, and it's like we

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all look forward to the Hall of Fame, and um,

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that's kind of icing on the cake. Um,

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But if you don't, if I didn't get there, I

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wouldn't have been upset about it. Just it's just

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it's like I said, it's more of an ice on the cake

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because the cake is already there. Understand

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me, career

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you feel, so it's just ice. And we were

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with ourselves. We know we're never get done. Were

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in the Hall of Fame. Yeah yeah,

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yeah, yeah we are. Judges are still

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up somewhere. Who did you autolize besides

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your father growing up? Well,

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he's gonna sound kind of funny. My

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first idel was Tarzan,

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King of the Jungle. Yeah, you got a white duty with all

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the Africans. He running everything, African

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running everything. So I'm like, wow, he got to

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be pretty tough, you know, your white guy. He in Africa,

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he only running the people. He run the people in the

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animals like the whole damn thing.

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So I'm like, I gotta be something like what he doing, but I

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ain't. I mean, I know I ain't white, but I still

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gotta be something like what he is. He had charged every

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damn thing. That's what he

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was. He was speaking two languages for everybody.

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You're feeling. My first

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idol, you understand, beside my dad I loved.

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I thought I was a Tarzan Man. Then

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my second idol was right for man, because

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I thought right for me it was a bad boy, raf man,

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raf manet you had problems? Right

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for man? What's right for man? Right? It was as

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a shoulder came over, he was he had a right for he was right

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for he was like he was like a police pretty much dip

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in of the area, but anything go on,

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he gonna because he was right for men. Right.

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So that became my second

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thing. And after I grew all that, Mommy,

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that he became idel. Yeah,

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I understood as an amateur. You energy

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career one one and thirteen? What

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was the grind? Like man, It was a tough grind

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because most of the thirteen was really

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not not losses. But once

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again, like I just told you before, it was God prepared me

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for what I had coming ahead. Because when I got to

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show Olympics, look what happened to me. But I

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had been through it about ten times in that thirteen

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so I knew what it was and I knew that it could

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have. I just did never think that that could

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happen on that big of a stage in

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front of everybody on not national

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but worldwide. You just

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don't think that can happen. Well, you're talking about I mean,

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take us back, man, I didn't mean to jump in Jack. You're talking

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about the a D Olympics situation. Talk

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to us about that because obviously we've

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seen what happened. But from your point of

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view, what do you feel like? Man, I

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don't know what really happened. I know that they were

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supposed to anger about something that took place

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in the nineteen eighty four Olympicks here

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in l A, OK. So because

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of that, they decided they take it back

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out on us in eight and I happened

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to be the person that they would take it out

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on. You understanding, But the

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good thing about this is, like I said, God has

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God always prepares us for us to come best

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of all planners. So because I had already been through it

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ten times at the thirteen, I knew

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what it was like and my father's

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always timid. Don't cry, just

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be cool, don't weary better So when

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it happened, I had been well versed in

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how to react to it, because what people

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didn't understand was my shirt didn't say Jones.

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My shirts said U s A. I remempresent

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royal Jones remempers us of the country. So

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if I asked the food, that's gonna have

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been on us as a country. So God

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put on the person who would have handled it the best way.

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I think, prepared to him the

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best way. I didn't know that them teeing to that thirteen

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was getting ready for that, but that's what they were getting ready for.

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So when I got to that, I would like, hang't it man?

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So what idea was after

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the decision, you're going to back the drug

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test you and you get dressed

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and you come out for the ceremony. So when

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I went to the back, I had to interpret

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that. I say, asked me if you think

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he won't, because if he said

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yeah, the camera on them more. I got to

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get that again. If

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he said yeah, camera don't, now

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I gotta get again, he said, no, I know I

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didn't win, but it wasn't me with

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the church sugar his hand

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and walked off. I've never seen him Soul,

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South Korea since that

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day. I didn't see him again to October this

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year, really first time again October.

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He told me that he went through so

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much trauma and term more because of that. But

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he said every time, he said, every time I got in the box

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of the professional he was teaching school

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in Korea, he said, every time his students

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roasted him the whole time from when

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they heard I was a fighting fight. So

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he went through more trauma I did. And

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that's what people don't understand. When you do things, it's

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the same to me as people who no

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pull out then and kill people nowadays, when

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you do things you're not affecting right now,

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you're taking the whole chain of people you're

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feeling. It's not just what's happening right here. You've

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got kids, you've got fail you've got everybody that disaffects.

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It had a bad effect on me at the time, but

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it had a worst effect on him to long long.

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So he was like when he's talking this year, he said, man if

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I can I just want to try to arrange

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some way to give you the medal backs. My family

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told me I should have been gave you to meddle, you

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know, because I've

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just imagined the kids in the class now you're

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talking. I

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didn't imagine as soon as he started trying to teach you something, trying

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to hear that right here, whipping your

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ass. No, but okay,

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well that's I mean, that's that's big of him.

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Yeah, you know what I mean. So is that something

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that's gonna happen. I don't know. I think

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the I think they changed from I able

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to something else now, but they're saying that they might

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try to arrange for it happen. I don't know. It

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meant more for me that he decided that he wanted to give

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it to me anything so cause nobody

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made him do it. He chose to own conscience.

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Got enough that he's saying, and he said his family

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told him he should have been given back, so he didn't

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want to get in touch with Seven years later,

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Yes, yes, crazy. So

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you make your pro debut May sixth, nineteen

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nine. What do you remember about that night that the

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ring was packed? The guy was

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he wasn't dressed right to be a real finale.

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I was one of these guys that I

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was very observing about boxing. I ain't care

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about nothing life but boxing. I'm

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I'm gonna pay attention to everything with my opponent.

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Anything that's life, I ain't paying attention to. You can

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change the color of my room tomorrow, man, I know. But

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when it comes to a fight, you got on tennis

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shoes and you don't have a fit at my piece, You're

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not beat me.

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You got tennis shoes and you gotta and you don't have a

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fear of body. You're not beat me because you don't care

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now about what you're doing. You have no no businesses

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beating me, and you get on tennant shot. So

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this dude come in and I didn't like to wear his trunks.

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Look, I'm like he he don't care how he

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looks, So how even to beat me? You

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can't come here just like all like

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that and beat me. And I'm an Olympian,

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Yeah, he in the whole country.

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You come in here like this, You gotta come show me that you come

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to beat me. You gott at least be nice, look

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nice. And then I know, okay, you got the stuff

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together, But you ain't got your stuff together. You ain't got

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a chance. And he really didn't have it stuff together, so and

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nothing against him, but it just didn't have it stuff together. So

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I just knew a feeling. No, I don't know how

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I feeling. But you can't you you you can't win

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here to night. What was that training camp like for you?

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I mean, obviously if you said you in the Olympics,

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much change, not much change going into

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your pro career, not much change, Just that you

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have to get used because when I first started boxing, there

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was no head get rude, but during

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my time boxing amateur, the head gear

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rude came in. So you have to get used to wearing

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headcare I'll tough is up. It's

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not hard to wear head gear was What's

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hard to get used to it is not wearing it again.

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But then, not only do you not wear

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a head gear, but these girls a little smaller

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than the amateur girls too, So you ain't got on

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no head gear and the girls are smaller,

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so you've gotta be a little bit more on points. So remember

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what I tell you about how he looked. That's even

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worse now you

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exactly what are some of your more memorable

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um experiences and opponents is throughout your

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career. My most some of the most memorable

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situations are It's

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like, you know how some time you have

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a game, you don't feel good, but

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you gotta go the way you feel

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me. So it's like for me, and that's why I have a hard

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time identified with a lot of

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younger, younger athletes. And you

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know, it's just hard for me because in

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our day, it didn't matter if you was hurting.

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If you can walk, you can play. That's how

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that's how we understand me. So it's like I

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understand, but I come from

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that era that my theater not gonna let

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me sit nowhere and not fighting what

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I'm saying. So it got so bad too. My

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desire to overrule myself

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became bigger than his because I'm

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in One time, i was going to im to the

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Golden Gloves Nationals and I'm thinking about

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the ball in py school in the twelth grade of things, I

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wanted to block a spike and the guy missed the ball

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and hit my hand and his finger went down

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smaller than these two fingers. I

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grabbed it, I snapped the back

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and one thing happy it went down The phone down the side

15:30

of him. I snatched it back my knuckles spoiler

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that bigger round. I

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gotta go to National next week and

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fight the best in the country. I

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ain't hitting nobody. I'm training

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like anything wrong. I'm trying. I just did

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this Thursday Friday

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said I leave Monday. I gotta start

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fighting the National Golden Goods. I get

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there, my dad to wrap my hand for the first fight. My

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dad looked at my hand and said, God, you

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know what. You can't

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fight like that. When I said, man,

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thin and rapp in my hand, I mean to say,

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you can tell me what I can and can't do my

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hand. I got this not

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you understand me. He wrapped my hand. I want the

16:08

hold nat to go to gloves. But

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the jam finger up. They had been jammed so far.

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This I got knockdown was shorter than these two fingers.

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My knuckle was so big it was ridiculous. Every

16:19

idea hurt. But once again, like

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I keep telling you, God, I was prepared

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for what to come when I beat But I hopped

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in the first time on the so and saying right was hurt being

16:28

with the lift, No, not my right hand. I couldn't

16:30

throw a punch because my right was hurt so bad

16:32

this one from that Jym'm not gonna from something else. But

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I had an injury from my first world title fight.

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I told my partner, Derek smoke Ganner. He

16:40

was like, what, don't take the fight? I

16:42

said, as crazy and as much of a rebel

16:44

as I am, if I don't take the fight now,

16:47

they may never give me an opportunity to because they don't

16:49

want to see me. Y'all know how to go. Really, they

16:51

don't want to see the real one gown and then you're doing the outside

16:54

the box. You're not doing what they want you to do. And

16:56

I didn't want to see you get there. So I said, they're

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not gonna never give another shot. I gotta go, just

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like I did that National going to good with one hand,

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but not one hand. So and that was

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it was coming up next. I mean in ninete, your

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first matchup. I mean unanimous

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decision with one hand. That's

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what you're telling us right now. So I'm trying to tell one hand he

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know it? Yeah,

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you know, where do you? We've

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talked to obviously Rest in Peace,

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Code, We've talked to people like Code Able

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to take his mind in other places during situations.

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I mean, I'm sure it happens to boxes all time. Summer

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obviously can handle better than other Where do you take your mind

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when you know you can

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sparingly throw you know one of your

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weapons? Well, um for

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me, man, this is why I trained my fighter to where I trained

17:43

them. I tried to teach you how to win one

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hand, even in training

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every day, because one day it might come

17:50

down. Then if you hit and hurt him

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with this one. I got a friend name Gabe Brian. I hit to you all

17:54

the time. He would tell him that, man, my right

17:56

hand hurt. I said, what about your left? Because you know it's

17:58

okay, so we'll get your stuff on you.

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I'm saying me because I don't hear excuses.

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It's not where I'm from. So when

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you get mentally, when your mental tells

18:06

you you gotta go or what you do for a

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living, it's nothing that should stopped it, you

18:11

know. I mean, so, I've been in several

18:13

situations where I've had upset

18:15

stomachs. I had all kinds of stuff happened

18:18

to me. I had stitches before I found

18:20

a guy. I was playing basketball Wednesday.

18:22

I got your wins got cut wins the third.

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I wouldn't got stitches on the inside and outside. Friday,

18:27

I went to win with glasses on, said I fought with

18:29

stitches in my eye. I'm cut

18:32

before I go in there. More people want to come out when

18:34

they get cut in there, I'm going up. Did

18:36

you bust back? But not? It

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can't happen like that. So we have to have

18:46

a mental that's so

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strong that nothing else matters. I'm

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saying, man, that's what my mental when I when I was

18:52

in my prime, when I got ready to go, nothing

18:54

that's matter. I don't care if I come. I

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actually felt better if something's wrong

18:59

with me, because now I know that put more person for me

19:01

to happen. Not I gotta think if

19:03

you ain't not gotta do. I could have a guy

19:06

figured out. Then's something happened to me. I'm

19:08

like, dag it, man, it's just God

19:10

to me. Now you gotta be on your p's and Q still

19:12

because you don't have this. You gotta

19:14

do with just them three? All right, Yeah,

19:17

I'll go. November

19:19

nine, an epic upset

19:22

over James Tony. Do you remember

19:24

about that night? Man? It

19:26

was crazy because Jane was he wasn't

19:28

just a boxer. He was a fighter. He would

19:30

find people before the fight. He would find people, the way

19:32

in to find people everywhere. He would

19:35

he was he was crazy dude. He didn't really

19:37

care and he would pound pound the best and

19:39

to this day probably really pound

19:42

pound the best out As far as having

19:44

skills and know how to do at all, he knew how to do everything.

19:47

But I watched him fight. I

19:49

ran Barkley, and really

19:51

I ran Barkle with the beast. I ran be telling her and

19:53

twice I ran could take

19:55

a shot. I ran. Was pretty tough,

19:57

pretty formable guy. He'd beat I

19:59

ran so bad. I feel bad. I had to go in the

20:01

back, man, I gotta find

20:03

it next night. But he'd been in

20:05

dude so bad. I feel sorry for the dude. You

20:08

feel me so I had to go in the bead leave it. I

20:10

just couldn't couldn't watch, you know, so um

20:14

when time came to fight him, I was okay.

20:17

I didn't even see me watching this, because you're

20:19

not gonna do me like that. He a little bit difficult,

20:22

he's a little bit limbits. I'm not saying

20:24

me. I'm not that dude. I need Joe

20:26

spot. I'm

20:29

not saying to you, like you know, I don't like to

20:31

see it, But I'm not worried because you're not gonna never get

20:33

to be I'm not gonna ever be there. If you hit

20:35

me with what you're hitting him with, it's

20:37

not happening. I wouldn't worry.

20:39

I just didn't like the fact I don't like to see. I

20:42

don't like to see nobody get beat up on your feeling

20:44

like I don't. I don't like I like

20:47

box somebody don't like bottoms like with me, Like

20:49

I love the UFC, but when the

20:51

guy get knocked out and then get down and hit him

20:53

while y'all still that kind of bother. Yeah

20:55

that last one. Yeah, that's

20:58

the only thing. I love it. But that's that's on that bottom

21:00

me. Why I don't hit the unconscious personal

21:02

conscious, you don't get you get me to me that

21:04

that's kinda So it's like I'm not that dude

21:06

man, and like people don't understand.

21:09

But it's a lot of things I don't stomach

21:11

with. You fear me. So I'm

21:13

not the guy that can go out and just do stupid stuff.

21:15

But at the same time, I'm gonna get

21:17

you out. So when you can't have to fight him.

21:20

I knew that we might. I might have to to find him before the

21:22

fight. I might to find him doing the fight. I might

21:24

to find him after the fight. But I'm ready to fight

21:26

one that because I need to be the boss, and

21:29

he was the man. To be the man, you gotta

21:31

beat the men, and that's where I came from.

21:33

So when I got rid of that's really

21:35

part of why I mean and my father fell out because I

21:38

found out that they offered me a fight with James

21:40

Hunter before and my father said no,

21:42

no, I got to beat him,

21:45

not you. You came telling him

21:47

no, you can make him scare him,

21:49

and you're gonna say no to you in it. Well,

21:52

like I always, I'm keep going back to the point. I'm

21:54

sorry y'all, but God, I always prepare

21:57

you for what he got coming coming in the future. For

21:59

you understand me. I watched Howard

22:01

David Jr. Senior.

22:04

I mean, I watched Howard David Senior whole

22:07

Howard Davis Jr. A little too

22:09

long before we let him for for a time, Howard

22:12

David Junior. I think wont the Veil Blocker Cup, which is

22:14

the most standing boxing at the Olympics

22:16

in seventy

22:19

six. It was seventy

22:21

six, so I wanted Samething eighty

22:23

eight, but he wanted seven six, and he was

22:25

the best boxing at the Olympics in

22:27

seventy six. Sugar let him want to

22:29

become CHAMPI Lee or Randolph's springing

22:31

brothers. Everybody became Champ except Howard.

22:34

Why because his father was in control

22:37

of his career. Because father want to go to

22:39

heat field. Read where you can't let him

22:41

fight when you read it because you ain't fighting.

22:44

He So I observed that, and

22:46

God was teaching me that. I didn't know it, but

22:48

God was showing me there from this. I didn't meet a a

22:50

day to time I got twenty seven years old, but

22:53

I understood his life told because God was

22:55

shortly to me and playing, if you, if you go

22:57

down that road, this what's gonna happen to you. So

23:00

when it came town once I realized my dadd

23:03

had tried to fight down one time. You can't

23:05

be speaking for me because I

23:07

know in my mind I'm

23:10

a better fighting this dude. I need to beat

23:12

this dude. Why I know I'm a better fighting him. I don't wait

23:14

either way to you think I'm a better fighting him.

23:16

I know now, So the second time

23:18

they asked me, yes, you're

23:21

fighting he the best. I want to be the best, but

23:23

you're middleweight. Don't pay that enough to new attention.

23:25

I ain't on middleweight, I'm pound

23:27

pound. Yes, I fighting, And that's how

23:29

that happened. James

23:32

m was animal, still is animal.

23:35

He was how much

23:37

heavier was he than you? Well, one week a spot

23:39

he was at sixty eight and I was at sixty year But

23:42

now, but what else? People don't realize the

23:44

politics of the game. He was with top rank right,

23:47

So when I beat

23:50

Hopkins Um,

23:53

James torn had went up to one eight and

23:56

beat Iran Brock. I think for the title they

23:58

gave. They gave James Tony in days

24:00

to decide whether you wanted to keep the super

24:02

Midway title or the Middleway title. Right,

24:05

he said, I keep super Midway types for me and but no for

24:08

the Middleway typle right. When

24:10

I signed to fight him for the Supermderways, just

24:12

like he did when he went with a fat box, I

24:14

signed to fight him for the Superway title. They

24:16

stripped me at the Middleway title. Once

24:19

again, when you're on your own, feel

24:23

that's how they do you. So now all

24:26

the deals making worse for him because if I lose

24:28

now, I ain't got no Bill he lost

24:30

the bark. He still at the middleway. Bill, I

24:33

lose, ain't got nothing nothing. I'm rock bottom,

24:35

but I can't go rock bottom, so I

24:38

can't lose that. So it just they just made it

24:40

better for me. Nine nine, you became

24:42

the undisputed light heavyweight champion.

24:44

You want to find a w B, a w BC and

24:46

ib F. What was that feeling like? That

24:49

was something I always wanted to do, but I didn't think

24:51

I'd ever get the opportunity to do it because of the

24:53

promotional situation. If you wouldn't

24:55

with this promoter, or you wouldn't did a depth promoter,

24:57

you wouldn't get the fight. Represented yourself,

25:00

not a path sometime. But

25:03

you have talked about enough though, because that's

25:05

that's that's serious. I mean back

25:08

then they're doing it now. Back then, yeah,

25:10

back then they weren't doing it, and even now they don't do it

25:12

that much because the fact of the

25:14

matter is if they represented themselves now

25:17

we get the fights. We want to see a box but

25:19

they don't do that. Then if y'all remember,

25:21

and y'all know because y'all was doing, y'all thinking my time,

25:24

so at the same time I would so it

25:26

was so bad with me that I would get on

25:28

TV after the fight and give you

25:30

my phone up if you want to fight, that's

25:35

that's how bad I wanted to wat you best. That's pre

25:37

promotional. You don't want to prove out the busins.

25:40

Ain't even to kill them. I just want to get the best. So

25:42

if you thought you could so. It was a guy in

25:44

Germany, Darius Miklechki. The w BO was

25:46

new, he had BO built. If

25:49

you're offered him, I mean

25:51

to come to you, not sit to fight me. He said, No, I

25:54

got someven dolts that want me to take myseven

25:56

dolts and go to Germany to fighting for his one in

25:58

his in general, he lived. You think

26:00

what happened to me? I just went to different and got robbed.

26:02

You think I'm gonna do that again? No,

26:05

So if you really want to smoke, come get it right

26:07

here. I got seven of them, I

26:10

got the bills. Yeah, what I'm coming

26:12

to you from. So people always

26:14

talk about but they don't they don't tell the truth.

26:16

I ain't definitely done nothing. You know,

26:18

even I find I shouldn't have fault. I fought

26:21

just once. I once I put my name on there, you

26:23

fight. Take us into the walls with

26:25

Antonio talking, well, the first one

26:28

is like, what happened? Was I

26:30

beat when he was an ambsious He

26:32

went off on we never let that go? He know

26:34

that goes? Yeah, I know, honestly,

26:37

I watched the whole he went on around page. He

26:39

got his life back together because of me. He got a life back together

26:41

though, because he realized the dang I

26:43

was saying him. We used to have a good

26:45

competition, and look what he did, so

26:48

I can make some of myself. So I really was his

26:50

hero for the longest time. So because

26:52

he atalized me, I just became

26:55

his his own is real talking, you fear me. And

26:58

so the first fight was tough because off I'd

27:00

lose twenty five pounds of muscle, but I still

27:03

managed to beat it because I had to do

27:05

what I thought Bob it Simmons had did, which

27:07

was when the heavyweight title didn't go

27:09

back after that and recapture light every time.

27:12

But I think Bob Bob Simmon didn't win

27:14

the light heay with titles after he wanted Heayway title.

27:16

He hadn't one livery great title before

27:19

he won the Heavway title. Then he lost

27:21

that, then he went down back and won the light hea with title.

27:23

He didn't win it, go and win every time

27:25

and go back and regain, so I thought that was he did.

27:27

So I wanted when the light here with title, when

27:29

don't here with title, didn't recapture light every time, So

27:31

that's why I had to fight in the first time. The second

27:34

time. I know my body wouldn't real it back

27:36

together, but like I said, my my main

27:38

flowers, I don't duck mat. So

27:40

somebody said, he give your hard time. What

27:43

you want to see what you mean when you say your body went

27:45

back together. My body lost twenty five pounds

27:47

of muscle. That takes a lot

27:49

of He found out when he did the creed

27:51

moving and then he went to Fall for North he

27:54

had on and just beat the viper or because he had lost

27:56

the muscle day game making that creep

27:59

move don't move whatever before

28:01

I think it was he did rock at six something.

28:04

Anyway, he found the hardway that when

28:06

you lose that weight, it takes a toy feel

28:09

so second one he won third

28:11

one. It's cool. I try to bring my father

28:13

back to hopefully that would have mended

28:15

the relationship, but it didn't. So that didn't

28:18

work out either. But he's

28:20

not a bad fighter. Don't get it wrong. I don't

28:22

take that from nobody. But what y'all have to

28:24

understand. What people to fail to realize that that

28:27

it's not about a team that can beat

28:29

you. Anybody like like a team that you'll

28:31

on championship teams. A team

28:34

might beat you on any given night, but who the

28:36

champ of this deceason? Right? So

28:38

for me, anybody might beat a given night, but who

28:41

donated that? The ain't Twitter years conforts

28:44

It's not about that one given night. Who can

28:46

If you did to beat me then when it dominated

28:48

for twelve years, Okay, I gotta take my hat off.

28:51

You might be better with me. But if you can't

28:53

go beat me and go down there Twitter years like I did, keep

28:55

the people entertained and want to watch

28:57

you fight like I did, you understand

29:00

then you ain't doing what I did. So every

29:02

championship team, I mean Tampa, they

29:04

want the Super Bowl as they had losses in

29:09

the team, the Lakers, everybody when y'all win your

29:11

Santorini wherever you was, when you'll win the championship.

29:14

You have a few games loss, they

29:16

can beat trying to given night, Yeah, but they're gonna beat in the

29:18

seven game series because you're the better team.

29:21

You understand me, And that's what's gonna stand up when

29:24

you get to the end, the better team. You're

29:26

gonna win that seven game series with that mentality,

29:28

and it kind of makes you easier to put

29:32

that behind you and go on to the next fight, like with of

29:35

course, yeah, of course, because I understand

29:37

and I know that the sacrifice I've made, I

29:40

may have had to take a hit full of because

29:42

that was a big sacrifice. Nobody had went

29:44

from middleweight to have weight in a hundred and six

29:46

years, you

29:49

understand. I mean people say, oh, that's good,

29:51

but sugar rops some better robins.

29:53

Some collapse trying to win the head Light Heavway title. He

29:56

was a fourth seven pounder, but it collapse trying to win

29:58

the Light Heavway title. So old, I

30:01

mean, really, it's hard

30:03

to find a person that was able

30:05

to dominate from as far as

30:07

id I went from one fifty four to

30:10

heavy weight. Nobody ever did that before. So

30:12

I will tell you, Oh, there's some pound pod pound, poud

30:15

no, how many I'm covered as much

30:17

weight pound for pound as

30:19

Roaldy, none of them. Nobody

30:22

never covered that much weight. So I

30:24

won't say the arguer for myself. But it's like, if

30:27

the proof is in the world, fact don't

30:29

like and nobody covered that much weight?

30:41

What did you do to Felix to retire? Well,

30:45

fittish was He's a good dude. He's still a good

30:47

friend. I'm just keeping it real. You

30:49

brought me, I don't dislike nobody know what

30:51

I mean. And I just knew that he was too

30:53

small for me. You know. It's like you

30:56

gotta you get a six or six forgot

30:59

in the post, and yeah, and

31:01

that's what that was. He's just a little smaller. He too

31:03

small for me. You come to one sevening, but you

31:05

till you still too small for me, so you

31:08

know, And I kind of knew that, and I just after

31:10

that fact, I tore it myself and this um a

31:13

week in the hand before the fight. But I

31:15

still know here too small for me. So I still if

31:17

I can't beat on one hand, something wrong with me because

31:19

he's too small for me. For the

31:21

seven nock guys, which one was your favorite? Um,

31:25

it's a lot of knockouts. Well, I

31:27

hate this coup to dude get mad at me every time I see it,

31:29

But I have to say it just with the truth. If he getting

31:31

mad every time, man, and I don't

31:33

mean nothing, it's true, but not

31:36

against it. But he getting mad at me every time. But

31:38

my favorite knockout was the one against my tear

31:40

Griffin. Yeah, the second right, because

31:43

because of a high all came together.

31:45

You know, it's just a crazy situation. And

31:48

to come back and redeement in one round like that was

31:50

pretty spectacular and was different because

31:53

I told him night before what was gonna

31:55

happen next day? Yeah,

31:58

I thought the only thing what happened if to go reef around

32:00

that. They just qualified me around nine last

32:02

time, as I'm just gonna refight around

32:04

now. Ain't gonna take y'all through where I want through eight? This

32:06

time? We're gonna straight back around now. And

32:08

that's really well. I

32:11

mean, if man take you that the day before to

32:13

fight with the take, you know,

32:17

the pressures of chasing,

32:20

not necessarily chasing, but just having

32:22

an undefeated record, you know, Floyd was able

32:24

to deal with what

32:27

was You were there at one point?

32:30

Did you? You always obviously just looked at

32:32

fighting, but was there to keep the streak alive. Obviously

32:34

was important to you as well. Let me tell

32:36

you different about it that Florida

32:39

did a great thing because Florida's a marketing

32:41

genius. He was that old to the max,

32:43

and he did better than anybody you ever gonna see

32:45

do as far as marketing himself, because

32:48

he took a different approach than I took. But

32:50

everybody's in time to take their on the probect And

32:52

don't get y'all get a Twitter Florida bead dude,

32:54

fight it behind or not. People don't. People

32:56

don't understand. I ain't gonna say he's

32:58

the best ever, but he up there. Do you

33:00

know people understand? People don't understand that. They

33:03

said with pack almost yeah, but Peck,

33:05

I felt them bees, Pack, I ain't running on the bees,

33:07

you know what I mean. I mean, I'm

33:09

standing his almost hurt, but it

33:11

ain't. It ain't the same you got outside

33:14

looking at as his inside feel me. So

33:16

I thought you should have fought them earlier, Yes, because

33:18

I thought pack hours that are hot and I thought would

33:21

have been a better fight. Had to found the three years earlier

33:23

because Peck was on top of his game. But

33:26

still when he fought him, he still made Peck

33:29

like you made Cannello do. Connello felt

33:31

that things kind of stayed onf for him for a while, you feel

33:33

me. So it's like you can't take away

33:35

from his boxing skills just because he don't do it

33:37

the way you think you're doing. The boy can fight in the

33:39

neck and fight, you know what I'm say, man so, but

33:42

you don't get fifty and know without knowing how

33:44

to exactly exactly. But so for me,

33:47

what really pissed me off at that Monteil Griffin

33:49

loss. You just seen him robbed

33:51

me and the Olympics, and you're gonna take

33:53

my own on thiss qualification.

33:56

Wait a minute, now, I just seen been

33:59

a passants a hit Danna Rose in black and

34:02

the referee after y'all stopped in the same day,

34:05

y'all just qualify him.

34:07

Then I see just a Ferguson hit.

34:10

I mean not reading. He test Ferguson twice

34:13

while he was on his knee in the State

34:15

of Washington in d C. And you was

34:17

over that y'all didn't just qualify him,

34:20

but he's gonna do that. Just got robbed up a gold medal.

34:22

The Olympics qualify

34:25

him when the referee a referee

34:27

to say stopped was a bad back, the

34:29

man nable five seven, the man on the

34:32

ground, I don't know what the man squid down? What the man doing? I

34:34

told my coat was left round, But I don't

34:36

know what you mean to do one. So I tapped them things gonna

34:38

say stop. Refree said, okay, I guess

34:40

you must not be considering him down. So and

34:42

I still didn't him hard as I could. I hit him

34:44

again. So he went down, and

34:47

they just qualified. So that

34:49

old man a lot to me because he

34:52

did not just qualified. My problem never would have lost. He sold

34:54

it though I'm putting in my mind.

34:57

Of course, of course they're not hit him, said the sacrifice,

34:59

but he did said and

35:02

that was a hell of a way to take away

35:04

from a guy who represented this country

35:07

and got robbed one time. You

35:09

feel it, really, that's what you're gonna do to me. I

35:12

just went outn't represent our country. You saw

35:14

robbing me over that, and now you're gonna take my away from other

35:17

pro that's a hurt for fitting, bro,

35:19

But that going to show you that you

35:21

gotta watching. You think

35:23

they called it only to kill all the team, so you

35:25

know, so it made me tighten up the second

35:27

fight. What's your mental approach?

35:30

Obviously that was a different situation. But after

35:33

a loss, I mean, like, we could take losses in

35:35

our sport and still be okay because we played.

35:37

But a loss in your sport is a is a much

35:40

different how do you rebound for those? Mentally

35:42

it's really hard to rebound from our loss, and our sport

35:45

is very detrimental. That's why

35:47

I tell people all the time you find the undefeated fighter, you

35:49

gotta first teaching how to lose, because

35:51

mentally he don't know how to loose. Mentally

35:53

heard of it broke as hard to break a

35:55

person ain't never been broke. Now once he

35:58

gets paid the loss for me. EA's

36:00

like ride a motorcycle. You have a motorcycle, Rick, If

36:02

you're gonna ride a motorcycle again, as quick as

36:04

you get able, people to get your behind and get back

36:06

on another because you'll get afraid to

36:09

wrap one. If you sit back and think about I hurt you and

36:11

how bad it did you when you're head.

36:14

Now you're gonna be be skinny on it again. Now

36:16

you may not never ride another back again. For

36:18

me, when when it happened to me, I was like, Okay,

36:20

that's cool. I gotta go again. Then they have him

36:22

again. Okay, well I still gotta

36:24

go again. You understand me. So it's like,

36:27

I'm the type of person. I feel like I

36:30

was supposed to fight to the end. So I'd

36:32

rather be knocked out than to lose a decision. Because

36:35

I lost to hit the man, I still couldn't get more. So

36:37

not me cold. I know I shouldn't want and

36:40

that's how I want to go out. Yeah,

36:43

I wish moboxers had the attitude. You

36:46

know, you see a lot of fighters these days. Man, we

36:48

didn't watch fight. They're looking at the corner like I

36:50

know you see this. I know you've seen again

36:52

with where the toil is. I

36:55

don't want towel memorable

36:57

ring walks. She once appeared in the

37:00

act the Radio City Auditorium and

37:02

the text drawn by Red meth

37:06

Man, let me explain something to you, HBO

37:11

who also made me, helped

37:13

make me help the world get to know where John

37:15

Drene was. But they really messed me

37:17

up. That particularly like because

37:21

they showed movies with Kerson and all

37:23

kinds of stuff after Now at the seven

37:25

o'clock at night, this boxing.

37:28

This is the first time ever, not mard

37:30

you this now, first time ever that

37:32

rap music was in the radio. See the music hall,

37:35

the first time ever. You see the music

37:37

hall. I've never had rapping it before. That was the

37:39

first time ever. Also had Win

37:42

in Houston, a singing gobless America. So

37:47

you got such a big night and you're gonna

37:49

mute the audio because of lyrical

37:52

contact of rap music, but all

37:54

the who is you played with all the bad rical

37:56

continent once again, I'm

37:58

gonna get the short and the stick. And

38:02

that was the best ring interest that I have seen

38:04

to this day. Me

38:06

met and red all dance and

38:09

come over. You don't get better the

38:12

audio because y'all were about the lyrical

38:14

content. What more can they say

38:16

that that the movies y'all paying out from something, ain'tthing

38:19

saying it's worse on the movie you

38:21

feeling. So they co complete

38:24

there. They completely wiped out

38:26

the best ring interests of all times. That

38:29

if it would have been, if you could have heard the lyrical Now people

38:32

still loved them wrong, But you could have heard

38:34

it and really felt what we felt

38:36

energy. You would have felt the whole energy of it. You missed

38:38

the energy because they wouldn't play the lyrics

38:41

the lyrical content over the TV screen.

38:44

But and the second my second favorite win though, was

38:47

I didn't want to put on the organ I

38:50

think brand Jordan's and Nike

38:53

head sponsored the fight for me important that

38:56

I came about the flow and I had the

38:58

girls dancing. I did one of my own on songs.

39:00

That was my second paper. You

39:03

were a team Jordan, right, Yes, what

39:05

was that experience like being able to cross from be recognized

39:07

for your greatness and be a part of that brand

39:10

Jack's part of that brand? Yeah, I know, I

39:12

was great. It was great. Great job. Wait where

39:14

y'all made him tell you something? Both of y'all to understand.

39:16

I wiped both of y'all for a long time too. That's that

39:18

man. I enjoyed love both of y'all. Y'all

39:21

got to know that man up most respectful

39:23

both of you. So, but yeah,

39:26

it was for me. It was good because for me, Mike

39:29

was one of the better basketball, better

39:31

athletes visity over the live and for

39:33

him to come and represent and understand

39:35

that I represented that to him as a boxer,

39:38

but it was a big thing, you feel a minute. So that

39:40

was really huge and I really respected him for

39:42

that because at that time, boxes really

39:44

weren't getting no deals. You couldn't get Nobody wanted

39:46

to deal with Boxes because of the promoters or because

39:49

of the bad name most of them have,

39:51

and you know it was it was different. So for them to come get

39:53

me and give me the opportunity was

39:56

a beautiful thing. For just you

39:59

were called the best crowd you ever fought in front

40:01

of and just a two part question.

40:03

Obviously you're so locked in. Do you play

40:06

off the energy of the crowd? Are you in your own little

40:08

zone? This crowd is probably

40:10

I was gonna be my hometown crowd because

40:13

every single person is invested I

40:15

win. We all in

40:18

other crowds, you know some

40:20

place I had eight or some places now, but

40:22

I was a few that want the other guy to win at

40:24

home is natified. See

40:27

IA say that hate thing on tap so

40:31

and it meant a lot to me because I know

40:33

what it means to those who want me to wine.

40:36

That's the big though. Are the ones I fight for? Uh?

40:39

The most. Most people be really

40:41

locked in. But when I found in Mississippi,

40:43

I called Jeff Lacey in Mississippi and

40:46

I was fighting. I was living old. I think it was about forty.

40:50

Yeah, but you can't tell them and see levet hood caause I

40:52

got this levet hooking the game. I'm the best hooker I ever touched

40:54

the game. Can't

40:59

come to think that that's

41:02

what they So

41:06

you can't tell you can't come to me with that nick because I think

41:08

I got the best. So it made

41:11

me really tune in on it, you feel. Use.

41:13

I was kind of tune in that night, and I

41:15

never forget I was fighting him and

41:17

I dude said something to him. I think I did

41:20

something to him and doing no wrong, don't

41:22

don't trap him in that corner, and he begged

41:24

off. I said, you told him right.

41:27

So I was so into the crowd that night. There

41:30

honestly everything going on in the ring. But I also

41:32

can hear people outside. You

41:35

did what I would do was or

41:37

placed a couple of my guys coach to the ring. The

41:40

guys I knew, they knew what my playing was and

41:42

we all I would listen to them talk because if

41:44

I ever got to a situation where I

41:47

need anything, They knew what to

41:49

say. They also kept me up in

41:51

tune what the time was. So if

41:53

I had my two guys, three

41:55

guys, and I knew exactly what was going on, that's

41:58

all I would really hear. But Lasy

42:00

fight because everyone was a little smaller, I kind of can't

42:02

hear everybody. That's

42:05

crazy. I remember when you called Calza give

42:07

me the breaks off. It was I

42:10

had no idea that if I was gonna be that bad dog.

42:12

I can't did because Calzack is not a power puncher.

42:15

He's a volume puncher. And time you go

42:17

try to go out a guy as a volume punch with power,

42:19

you're gonna get beat because he gonna that

42:22

long. That's just what he was. Yeah, and

42:24

Jeff was at his height at at that time.

42:27

But that one power shopping the left hook a gonna

42:29

be enough and you ain't gonna hard to hit him with

42:31

it. You know the art of trash

42:34

talking. All

42:36

the trash talk I learned from hummad Ali. But

42:39

the all the trash talking is like, you

42:42

gotta know what you're doing, whore, you're doing what

42:44

you're doing with it? Because I only gotta

42:47

beat one time trash talking, and I'm gonna tell you

42:49

who beat me trash talking. He didn't beat me trash talking. But

42:52

to me, the all the trash talking, everything that takes

42:54

place before the five happens. So

42:56

when I see you, if I know we're gonna fight, I'm gonna

42:59

start missing on you, understand

43:01

me from a traytop. Start that right then. If

43:03

I'm gonna start playing a game with you, gonna start that right then.

43:06

So when I fought Joyese, he

43:08

came to the press conference just like a Pimp'll

43:11

canna be a little bit y'all, like he got me. Because

43:13

I wouldn't prepare for that. I said,

43:16

okay, okay, how much he is? He was

43:19

six pounds. Yeah,

43:25

So he he got in with that. But the next day

43:28

I prayed to get back at it. And next

43:31

day his coach came on the scale, came on the

43:33

on the podium what the

43:35

skill was, and got right in my coach face

43:37

talking stuff. You know, he was spending his face too.

43:40

And my coach is a retired, uh notary

43:43

guy, coach Alter Merson. You're

43:45

not gonna get in his face and say nothing. So

43:47

soon starting to get in his face all

43:49

the stage on the goals to the hospital.

43:51

He goes, hey,

43:54

I needed something to turn the thing back around. Yes,

43:57

yeah, I snuck off the stage, went

43:59

around back, went back to what John rees was

44:01

because everybody was nervously But I went into a panic

44:04

because of the fight. I say,

44:06

don't you worry about nothing, and nobody gonna touch you because

44:09

you're blown to me tomorrow. But

44:11

I had to get him back and he had got me the press cover with the little

44:13

pimp, so I had to go see

44:15

that tune to put me back in charge again. So I was.

44:18

But most people I beat him talking to us,

44:21

M Yeah, you

44:23

can't teach that. You gotta have that. Yeah,

44:27

A lot of people ain't that confident to talk ship. You know what

44:29

I'm saying. You gotta be willing to back it up. Preparation

44:32

gets you confident to be able to talk, be prepared,

44:35

and you were to back it up. You know, I can't

44:37

back it up now. I already want to hear it. When

44:40

did you decide to get into music? Man

44:42

A big way? Back in the early nineties,

44:45

I had a group called pg Ready PGS.

44:48

I love music so much and music was so inspirational

44:51

because for me I used to go even after

44:53

training. Sometimes I would go in my room and turn my music

44:56

on and work on what I learned and training that

44:58

particular days. So I was able to put the

45:00

two together in a sense what it made sense

45:02

for me because I love music with

45:04

boxing. This rhythm to me. But also

45:07

when you think about it, Mommed Ali said the bar

45:09

high because he talked, he

45:12

rapped. He just didn't do it the music that

45:14

was afloat like butterflies. Think I could beat there to come

45:16

with muhaddie. He did the rapping, he

45:19

didn't added music too. So if you're gonna

45:21

take what he took, what he did and

45:23

raise it more, then you gotta

45:25

do more. So take that rapping

45:28

here doing and put music behind, go

45:31

all the way with That's what I did. Remember,

45:33

So men you did Suf

45:36

made millionail shout

45:38

out the rung, but you were trashed on that said,

45:42

y'all go look it up. I think there was an

45:45

old five or old four around

45:47

that time. I was with the pacers around that time.

45:50

Y'all must have forgot. How did

45:52

that come together? Me and Hodge rapper

45:54

Hodge wrappers rapping from the jo. Pretty

45:56

pretty good, dude, one of the guys I think should have

45:59

been much more us forever up in the year. But he

46:01

has a man unlike any other that I've

46:03

seen when it comes to writing. So we kind

46:05

of sat down, put together some

46:07

of my facts. I figured out how we're gonna

46:10

make it work, and the concept came they

46:12

must have forgot, you know. Like

46:15

we sat down and he would better at

46:17

the writing part to me. So I would write the

46:19

facts and write things I want to say, and he would put in

46:21

the cell fores and kind of got to

46:24

get and rooted and man came out hot.

46:26

So the second time me and put it, we

46:28

wouldn't did the second one, but this one

46:30

I don't want to leave by by myself because

46:32

I feel like you almost forgot. It's a big statement,

46:34

but you can't put it a lot of times where people make

46:36

their mistaken music if they think about

46:39

themselves and stead think about the consumers. Right,

46:42

So like my ya almost forgot the first one. It was

46:44

more about me, But now when I redid

46:46

it and it's more about you almost

46:49

forgot. Anybody sitting second one and can

46:51

mean it. So me and something Marvin

46:53

Baglet on the second you're

46:55

on the second one. He got a nice

46:57

verse two years he can go, but

47:00

also the second I want to make it with

47:02

because it's such a good it's

47:05

such a good statement. Y'all must have forgot. You don't get

47:07

a phrase. You don't get much better than that, because even

47:10

y'all, y'all go back to your high school and you'll almost

47:12

forgot what I'm saying. So

47:15

we go there. You didn't be a career you you almost forgot

47:17

what I used to do, you know what I'm saying. So it's

47:19

a statement that's gonna live forever. And when you make

47:22

songs out of statements that are everlasting,

47:25

those songs don't really die. Right. We

47:27

got we got a guy we just partnered with Forgotten

47:29

Seasons n v A and that that

47:32

can be his Uh So

47:34

yeah, that's good. Off

47:39

on me, Bro. Final fight was

47:42

back home in teen and

47:44

August, your last fight. You finished

47:46

six, six wins and nine losses. At

47:49

the end of that night. What was the feeling like knowing that was your

47:51

last fight? It was a bay. It was a very

47:53

bad feeling because I thought I was gonna fight

47:55

forever. I don't wear at that time. Uh

47:58

for the eight I think, damn

48:06

the man. So it

48:08

was a bad feeling up because I

48:11

just felt like, no for the seven,

48:14

for the seven, I just don't want to give it up. I

48:17

want to give it up. But I knew that for me, it

48:19

seemed like if I have stopped, I was just gonna

48:21

go sit on the couch and get fat. And that's what I did

48:24

want to do. So I continue

48:26

to go. Give me a reason getting shape, the reason

48:28

to stay and shape and take better care of myself. So you

48:30

see so many guys they stopped it, being like

48:32

y'all themselves go, ye know, man,

48:35

it's bad because y'all didn't

48:37

killed somebody right now, because y'all still don't shape you fear

48:39

me, y'all don't let what God gave you just go to waste.

48:41

Y'all did take advantage of it. But so many people

48:43

I see slipped

48:45

themselves go down here, And that's what I also

48:48

didn't want to do. So I knew that if

48:50

I want to get in shape, just go find somebody I gotta getting

48:52

shaped in because I ain't gon' not so

48:57

yeah, of course probably can't

49:01

everything so so

49:04

but anyway, that's that's what that's what it was. And to

49:08

watch these guys do it nowadays,

49:10

like it's getting better now, But for a while

49:12

there that the skill levels

49:14

going down, and I didn't see guys

49:16

that really were having

49:19

skilled to really entertain and show people what boxing

49:21

me was about. So and really

49:24

want nobody really fight nobody know. It's like, right

49:26

now, we've got a lightweight division that's full of fighters,

49:29

a lot of really good fighters, but you're

49:31

looking at each other. No, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

49:34

fans haven't really got to look at so you mean, well, let him see

49:36

you beat somebody up. That's what I was doing. Commentate

49:39

now, I love commentations. The difference

49:41

between that and the ring. Commentating

49:43

a little different because you don't have to really be

49:46

in shape. Let your mind work

49:48

and tell your body. You know in your

49:50

mind and your body gotta work. Now you buy

49:52

your magic and work your body, worry about nothing.

49:55

So commentating I can tell you what he's

49:57

doing and what somebody should

49:59

be doing to him, but they're not doing fighting.

50:02

I ain't gonna tell you what You're gonna show you what he's doing and

50:04

show you what's what I should be doing. Too many do, so

50:07

it's one thing to show us differently and talk about

50:10

you enjoy a conversation. I love it because it gives

50:12

me an opportunity to tell people about

50:15

what I did from

50:18

my from a final standpoint, not for somebody

50:20

who never did it before, but telling you all of it.

50:22

We talked about that before. It's the

50:25

experience is the best teacher. If you don't if you're not

50:27

been in there, you don't know what the real deal is because you've never

50:29

been hit for you know what I'm Saying's like, like Mike said,

50:31

a lot of people got a lot of game take your hit in

50:33

the mount, remember, because

50:36

they forgot that point in that book. The book intended

50:38

about that point. The book can't tell you that I have to hit

50:40

you in the mouth, then what you need to do. That book gonna tell

50:42

you that you take that punch in

50:44

the mouth for you to learn it. And that's what people miss.

50:47

In commentary, I was thinking when

50:50

we found out we were gonna have you

50:52

as a guest, I was thinking, obviously

50:55

very skilled tactician, but

50:57

also that the style you fought,

51:00

if how well that would translate to social

51:02

media these days? What is the power

51:04

of social media and what kind

51:06

of You're already a monster, but

51:09

could you imagine what he was doing. It was on social

51:11

media. It would be insane knockouts,

51:13

everything going viral. Nobody never seen

51:16

people do the things. That's what I want

51:18

your hand, how you beat? I

51:22

mean, it was just what you did at the TAVA.

51:24

He's gonna try to do it. They can't do it, better to me to knock

51:26

them down Tony to.

51:30

Yeah. So it's like people don't

51:32

understand. And like I tell people this

51:34

one. You know, one of my favorite point

51:36

guards is Chris Paul. And

51:39

reason I like Chris Paul because you

51:41

see these guys do all this and one stuff on the court

51:43

against these guys don't play basketball. You

51:45

see Chris Paul do enter team get the best of

51:47

the best. You fear me shout out. He's

51:50

doing things that people get the best

51:52

playing right now. He doing it bringing

51:55

out in game cap in the payoffs. He don't

51:57

kill so your

51:59

family. So for a person to be that entertaining

52:02

at that time, you don't do that.

52:04

Then, like you see guys do stuff in the gym, but

52:07

they're not gonna do that in a real fight. They're afraid to try.

52:10

This dude doing these things and gags and

52:12

playoff games, you feel DA's

52:15

what means something. If you can't do it, then then already

52:17

killed you can do it because you can't do it when it counts

52:20

to make these people be that whoa, they already

52:22

killed you. This dude do it in the game.

52:25

He's just playing what he do it in the game. And

52:28

that means something me because for me, my

52:30

goal was when I watched my

52:32

Allie and Sugary Leonard. These

52:36

guys entertained you. Whether with the foot

52:38

speed or the hand speed or even the

52:40

head movement, they entertained you. So

52:43

I can't be an entertainer

52:46

and take you further than they took you. Then why

52:49

my boxing. I don't

52:51

want to just be another boxer. I want to be a guy

52:53

that they said, or we're fighting, everybody put everything that we gotta

52:55

go see what fighting. Don't know what world might do tonight.

52:57

That's how I was feeling. That's

53:00

which is what I'm trying to tell you that those other

53:02

guys they can't do that. They make it look

53:05

and bet me one night, but they can't hold that crowd

53:07

like I can't. I get it. They cried and care

53:09

who I was fighting. They come to see because

53:12

they know we're gonna do something that we're not gonna

53:14

forgive. Right, We're gonna give us

53:16

a moment somewhere. We're gonna

53:18

be right. We know

53:21

we're gonna give us something that's just who who

53:24

straight uh November, you

53:27

step back in the ring, Luke bench and something.

53:29

Nobody felt like it was his two uncles fight at the barbecue.

53:32

But to me, it was seeming like my two favorite

53:34

boxes in the world are about to fight. Like I'm excited about

53:36

the idea, but I'm just like, I don't want to see these motherucker's

53:38

hurt each other. Man. So thoughts on how

53:41

that all came about and what made you get

53:43

back in the ring before you start. Oh, let

53:46

me just just let me say this. I was worried

53:48

I will too. He

53:56

was gonna say, Hey, we was gonna say, dude,

53:59

O, hell uh whip pounds

54:01

here to me? Really hear it to that to me? But he twenty

54:03

pounds here to me, he ain't screwed on type.

54:07

You know what he might come here and do. Then

54:09

they say, Yo, that's smoking weed. Before you come out there,

54:11

Love, you

54:14

don't know what you're about to do. You understand you're on the web.

54:16

May happened. So when I heard about it, I

54:18

said, listen, listen,

54:21

y'all can't be out there trying to kill each other. What

54:23

else do you know? That's all you know?

54:25

What else do you know? If he tried to hit you like he's

54:28

gonna be trying to keep that's all he knows. So

54:30

first time he'd been a chest, I feel like I want to keep us.

54:39

If if I had to go, like

54:41

mom, you sud I should have did I

54:44

did? I ain't think he pushed that this

54:46

Still you stole it down a nob

54:48

bro, I ain't stole down the link. Then I

54:51

get in front of him and I see him doing or to hear

54:55

that I thought I thought he stepped all

54:57

over in a minute

55:01

before he still a fast, still

55:04

slipping all my stuff, and I'm right now because

55:06

I gotta be right just in case he gets wrong

55:08

and we're gonna get wrong. Still

55:12

fans all the way, man's

55:15

here, any point that here? Then I

55:19

think I hit the left hook or something. We

55:21

got close and he took a glove

55:24

en list up my face, I said, there is

55:27

some of the I

55:29

see you, Mike, I see still got game. I'm

55:31

good, And is he gonna do to get night. Ain't doing the

55:33

more cause they get they're gonna get

55:35

bad. You know what I'm saying, called this dude, this dude,

55:37

he first of all, he's still too strong, he

55:39

still got all his old tricks, and he much

55:42

harder to hit. And now you ever thought

55:44

he would have been what I mean, that's

55:46

what was surprised to me. I thought for sure,

55:49

he said. I listen, I teach guys, a

55:51

man with his head just goes to the face. You're posted to kill

55:53

him. And I'm thinking he ain't gotta chick

55:55

my hand too fast. Man, Mike's stipping

55:57

my stuff so quick. Ah okay,

56:00

I see what you might test. I remember

56:02

the interview afterwards. Are you looking at him like

56:05

like, come on, bro, we ain't doing this a game my

56:09

hip? So three days, bro, I'm

56:12

doing them days. They ain't got nod you

56:15

go back and work out forward game

56:17

or two. You'd be like, man, I'm throwing them day do

56:19

it? Ain't like this? No moment My

56:21

reel is hurting them three and three and for every time. Then

56:24

I gotta crap myself. No nothing,

56:27

nothing that ain't him. Enough of that. Subscribe

56:30

Mike in a few words, entertaining,

56:33

crazy, funny, deceptive,

56:37

because he's everything everything you think about

56:39

Mike User the opposite everything

56:41

you think about me, much more intelligent people,

56:44

very intelligent, you know, a very very intelligent

56:46

guys. So that ain't you're a good dude? May

56:49

he really he's really deep downside, he's really

56:51

good dude. We got a lot of bad reps. But you're

56:53

good dude. You're way more gentle than people think.

56:56

You know what, but you also but now he do have a

56:58

switch your snap and he goes

57:00

when he ran a good my damn face out, son

57:02

of and

57:05

always hand you're cheating.

57:07

Anybody said, you gotta be chea wee what

57:09

you're cheating for? The

57:20

legend is you played the basketball with sweet

57:22

Pea. Yeah we're be Sweetie team, but not sweet

57:24

He could play and sweet people.

57:27

All the vision one players on his team ain't had

57:29

none. I had to vision two players. You co

57:31

players. He bought a whole stage.

57:33

What was that great? Yeah? The

57:36

late grates people now that was a bad dude to people

57:38

don't give him enough credit. And he didn't care who he falls.

57:41

He came from the same time I came I come

57:43

from. We played King of the Hill. If you're the best,

57:46

that's what it is. He didn't kill He tell him, don't

57:48

tell me who is Tim, how much you're making what we don't

57:50

need to be And I'm saying, don't worry about who was on

57:52

the side. That's how cool he will be. But

57:54

anyway, he was a good basketball player. He always

57:56

talked and always talking, always talk. So we

57:59

set up a select to gain HPO article, the

58:01

late great Article. One of my favorite

58:03

people I've ever met. He

58:06

made my HBO tenure way

58:09

better than el could have been because he

58:11

was an angel of HBO starters as

58:13

a mayor, room dude and worked were all well twin executive

58:16

black dude Artor Curry died probably

58:19

ten twelve years ago, but he was one

58:21

of my favorite people of all time. So anyway,

58:24

Arty was in charge of relationships.

58:27

In relationship between HPU and the fighters. He

58:29

did the human relations part. So he set the game

58:31

up between me and Sweep. Three people

58:33

on this team the post of colasp All paid for the

58:36

thing, and h we got Lon. So

58:39

in the arena data they they he had

58:41

like I said he had like he had pretty

58:43

much a Division one team and

58:46

I got a jew coal team. Know what I'm saying,

58:48

But I mean, my guys probably play Boy together because

58:51

we played in the city league. So his guys

58:53

they just all could play. But they play together

58:56

as much as we did, I don't think. So. They

58:58

led the game for like three quarters and

59:01

last quarter got about three minute stuft to

59:03

go, they were still they let us but like fifteen

59:05

for the whole game because they

59:07

complete and sweet people in bed either So,

59:10

but the last quarter my team were known come

59:12

back in the fourth quarter. Last quarter

59:15

they left big Ail open and

59:17

big people don't know big Al, but Bigail

59:21

was a little short. But I thought, you know, big

59:23

Ail was kind of gott ahead of shot that he

59:25

could have been head. He had the right guys, he could

59:27

have made it to leave because the dude could shoot the

59:29

ball better than not

59:32

people see walking in the face of the earth today and

59:34

we all know people at home like

59:37

that kind of guys, you know. So he

59:39

came down and left open. He hit one three they

59:42

cannot miss. He came but down the left over

59:44

here another three, they cannot

59:46

miss. The came down again. I said,

59:48

they left over third time. I gave to him here another

59:51

three. That's nine points. And from now

59:53

we just put both dog. So

59:56

we came at the last three minutes of the game and

59:58

we won the game. But it was a great game. He had

1:00:00

a better team than I had, but my team had played together

1:00:02

more. Yeah a game,

1:00:05

mad game defth handed bright hands for people

1:00:07

do it all. Yeah, as we be ever real game.

1:00:11

We had Dion Sanders and he once

1:00:13

told us about the day he played football and

1:00:15

then flew that later night and played

1:00:17

baseball. You played basketball

1:00:20

during the day and far that night talk

1:00:24

to us about that. Well. I was seeing

1:00:26

Dan the Bowl Jackson do that. I

1:00:29

was like, no, people not going to expect that a boxer

1:00:31

can do two things and

1:00:35

never thought a box can do that, but got number jack.

1:00:38

Every day i'm training, I'm

1:00:40

sneading off playing basketball anywhere trained.

1:00:43

So I'm like, I know I can do this because I do this every

1:00:45

day. I grew up doing this, So

1:00:47

how can I not do that? You feel me. It's

1:00:49

gonna look strange to people, but this is what I do. If

1:00:52

they if the gym boxing. I'm

1:00:54

hoping and I hope every single day you

1:00:57

feel min is that this is nothing my body or not you

1:01:00

too, But to put on the stage they're

1:01:02

gonna say, no, you don't do that. Well,

1:01:04

since I'm not with big tample

1:01:06

Motors and my own guy, I

1:01:09

can do it. So I went in. Now,

1:01:12

what was impressive, by the law was the

1:01:15

guy fought Eric Lucas. After

1:01:17

that he went on to become the WC Super

1:01:20

Theweight champion and he had a title for three years

1:01:23

after that fight. So I ain't fighting

1:01:25

on garbage, you understand

1:01:27

me. So I'm

1:01:30

just thinking, you know, even watching you

1:01:32

know Darren Williams fight, how you gotta be in shape

1:01:34

to be a boxer to go play basketball.

1:01:37

I should beat your legs up all day and then box.

1:01:40

And that just credits to what have what great shape? He was

1:01:42

saying, how many rounds

1:01:44

of that? I mean around level? I think they stopped in the level

1:01:46

round. What I won't fight? He

1:01:50

took a good punch to who you following these days?

1:01:52

In the NBA, You've got players teams. I

1:01:54

followed more players than I follow a team.

1:01:56

One of my favorites is uh, DAMNONO.

1:02:01

I like Damn a lot called Damn

1:02:03

big time Dame show up. I tell you a little

1:02:05

CP like carry like

1:02:08

Yanna because Yann is a different dog. I

1:02:10

like Katie Yan is definitely

1:02:13

different. Animal, like John Morant

1:02:15

now he's coming on the scene, you know, like

1:02:18

Devin Booker. You know, I like a lot

1:02:20

of guys, know what. I like a lot of killers.

1:02:22

I like guys killer the Metal. I mean, don't

1:02:25

get it wrong. I like Lebron too. I mean, but

1:02:27

I'll be looking more for the guys that reminded

1:02:29

me at the old school guys going from I

1:02:32

like them dogs, you know what I'm saying. I like people that's gonna

1:02:34

go out there and no matter what y'all putting

1:02:36

from me, you're not stopping me. That's what I

1:02:38

like, you know what I mean? So who you uh?

1:02:41

The only prediction for the finals? Um,

1:02:44

I don't know. Lek's gonna be hard to beat them because

1:02:47

if they can get Devil calls Westbrook

1:02:50

when got in the right direction here, animal,

1:02:53

he played hard of it, but out they just just

1:02:56

gotta keep him under control. But when you're getting under

1:02:58

control, he's something to deal with a lot of I'm

1:03:00

a westro fan too because of how hard to play, saying

1:03:03

some taking get off offside,

1:03:06

off balance a live bit, but his

1:03:08

intent is always good and I love his intent.

1:03:10

Now, if you can take a Lebron who can help

1:03:13

gut him and control them a little bit, and Ady

1:03:15

can be healthy. They still don't be hard to be you

1:03:18

know. So, um, Dallas

1:03:20

is a team that always have to watch because Dallas

1:03:23

has a pretty good team, I think, a better team and people

1:03:25

give them credit for and their team is a little

1:03:27

different with Luca and prosingles.

1:03:30

I'm prosingles is an issue because he's

1:03:32

so tall. But we can do it all, I'm

1:03:34

saying, and so having them too, And

1:03:37

I said, Jayden Bronson ain't bad. And we know

1:03:39

how the way Dream ain't bad. They got they got

1:03:41

a good team. Demon has a good team.

1:03:44

Utah's an excellent team. There's

1:03:46

a lot of good teams like that. So you know, I ain't

1:03:48

give the Sunday can come from anywhere, but it's about who

1:03:50

has the continuality. At the end of the season,

1:03:53

Matrix reloaded alongside Keiana

1:03:55

Reeves and Lawrence Fishburn. What was that like? That

1:03:58

was good, man. It was one of the best times I had. It

1:04:00

was different for me because it was a whole

1:04:03

movie. I'm like, wow, rich Adriana

1:04:05

movie, you do everything that. God has been so good

1:04:07

to me. Man, I just had to be thankful to God

1:04:09

if everything's ever given me, because I never

1:04:11

thought I would be a rap or basketball

1:04:13

player, none of

1:04:16

that in the movie. Guy just never thought of the

1:04:18

commentary, never thought so many things

1:04:20

that God added on to me. And I thought I got what I was

1:04:22

going on because of my faith in my trust and God. He

1:04:25

gave me so much that I mean, I never thought of

1:04:27

being the Heavway Chamber the world. You know what I'm saying. When

1:04:29

I won my first national tournament. My

1:04:31

first national tournament was one of a hundred and eighteen

1:04:34

pounds. How are you gonna be Heavay Chimer world?

1:04:36

You a hundred eighteen pounds for

1:04:40

my first national tournament. I was a hundred of pounds.

1:04:43

Do you think I had any thoughts could

1:04:46

even look at the Heavway Wrong? No, and

1:04:48

now who I am heit with Chamber

1:04:50

the world. If you believe and have faith in God, there's

1:04:53

no limits to what God can take you. You

1:04:56

got a chance to work on Creek too. Thoughts

1:04:58

about rebooting that starting Mic

1:05:00

could be Jordan, that that was pretty good, might

1:05:02

could be Jordan's a really good job in the movie. Actually

1:05:05

I didn't know they had me. I

1:05:07

said to go get in the next one. But because you ain't gotta

1:05:09

fight coming up February fifth,

1:05:12

so I gotta miss to the film dates. I'm

1:05:14

trying to see now that they can redo it, but if not, then

1:05:16

I might miss it. But the guy, I think they gotta create three

1:05:19

coming up. And I was supposed to go be

1:05:22

a commentating out and I love the movies.

1:05:24

I love acting, although being

1:05:26

a commentary doesn't require much acting because

1:05:28

it's what I do for real, so but it

1:05:30

still be good. You know you're

1:05:32

back. I've seen the fight was

1:05:35

the last fight. What you think you need to switch

1:05:37

up? What? You just gotta quit being so much of a

1:05:39

banger and use this a little bit more

1:05:41

because this will takeular father needs will

1:05:44

If you use this to control these, you can

1:05:46

go a lot of further than you use this to control

1:05:48

these. He'd been fighting me up this

1:05:51

control needs, and I'm trying to get into use

1:05:53

this to control these, not this. I don't even

1:05:55

put you on the spot. But do you think his father

1:05:57

is kind of doing what? You know

1:05:59

I'm and was father hindering him a little bit? I don't

1:06:01

know. His father is actually a lot of things out of his

1:06:03

way. And he talked to him, but he stays out

1:06:06

of his weight. I think for a while he may have

1:06:08

been in a little bit more, but I think they realized

1:06:10

that that's not the right way for them, so he got out. And I

1:06:12

think that's why he employed me because he

1:06:14

knows that I know. But like he said,

1:06:17

some things, you're

1:06:19

gonna be tearing my son better than I am because

1:06:22

me being around me and his father, they're so long. It's

1:06:24

different. The same with my son myself at basketball.

1:06:26

But I can't tell you now. I need to call when y'all

1:06:29

tell, because I can't tepe. I'm gonna put

1:06:31

you on the spot again. Yeah, you would have stopped to

1:06:33

fight if you was sean part of popson. No

1:06:36

right, No, A lot of

1:06:38

people say that I want to stop, you know, because

1:06:42

that's why I said, just a fine line between

1:06:44

that and he I

1:06:47

can say, you know, you can say I'm worried about my son,

1:06:49

but when it comes to that, you gotta

1:06:51

let him be the man. You can't go out

1:06:53

there and protect together and be a man because

1:06:55

he go out like he want to go out, and no excuse,

1:06:58

you got a little go like like you wanted to go out.

1:07:00

It might not be what he chose to do. He made it look

1:07:02

like he made it about himself. The Pole's

1:07:06

that's why I chapped you, because if I had leave because

1:07:08

but God showed me that some of those

1:07:11

guys don't see it to this too late. That's why I asked

1:07:13

that question of which fight the president that

1:07:15

you see a lot of your stuff in bootsings.

1:07:18

You've seen Boots fight Boots, Boots

1:07:21

a bad boy. Boot shows a lot of my stuff. I

1:07:23

see it quite a few guys. But Boots sing this, I

1:07:25

still living in low machine cold because has the footwork

1:07:28

down paded along with the angles and all I

1:07:30

see it. I see myself on a lot of fighters because

1:07:33

a lot of guys do a lot of things that they learned

1:07:35

from watching me. Um. But

1:07:38

you know, Carnello is a

1:07:40

bad dude here. You might stop, but you're

1:07:42

a bad dude. You think you

1:07:44

think he really that that? He that

1:07:47

rows that us.

1:07:49

A lot of people have got Cannello on the Is

1:07:52

he really that? Is he that what

1:07:54

you said? He that? I think

1:07:56

he is that? But in

1:07:59

my pain, he still got a little bit to prove because

1:08:02

he's being some really good father beating triples. You was a

1:08:04

big thing, but he still got a

1:08:06

little bit more. He has a little bit

1:08:08

more to go because he

1:08:10

got to be the guy that

1:08:13

has that has some of the qualities and credibilities

1:08:15

that flow aheads. If Charlot No,

1:08:18

it's gonna not gonna be gonna to beat Yallo, but that's

1:08:20

not gonna do it because we're

1:08:22

going to see him against a little bit stick a guy. Give

1:08:25

me example, I gotta boo

1:08:27

boo boo boo boooo,

1:08:30

gonna be Himo, don't

1:08:32

go and box traditional boobo fight with smarts

1:08:35

because man Junior fight with the smarts

1:08:37

a different cult for him. So people like that

1:08:39

is who you want to see in fight because we

1:08:42

know what we could do against guy the brawls and that that's

1:08:44

gonna go out and go to the toe. He can handle that. But

1:08:46

that's not how Floyd beat him. So

1:08:49

like the la getting my hard time because he

1:08:51

boxed him with this, So we gotta

1:08:53

see him fight him by the boxes with this

1:08:55

and seem dominate that person. Then

1:08:57

he'd be what I want to see him be, which I'm

1:08:59

not saying can't. So

1:09:01

it's like people get so

1:09:04

sensitive nowadays because stuff

1:09:06

that you say. But like

1:09:08

I was trying to tell people. When Errol Spans fought

1:09:11

Sean Porter, I wasn't saying

1:09:13

that that's gonna guarantee

1:09:15

that Erl Spence can be called can

1:09:17

be Aerospences. No, I said, Sean

1:09:20

Porter, what the first dude that's

1:09:22

gonna show us what el Spences. They

1:09:26

didn't say that Aerospence didn't have the goods. I never said

1:09:28

that. I just said, Sean Porter's the first

1:09:30

dude they're gonna show us if he really

1:09:32

got the goods. And he did that knockdown,

1:09:35

that fact was either or sure it might have been

1:09:37

winning. But once he knocked, now he

1:09:39

took. He took over. So it showed that he doesn't

1:09:41

have the goods to make me even more now

1:09:44

I want to see him and tears

1:09:47

cough in the m But this did not get in that. But

1:09:49

I didn't say who I thought when I still don't know who it's

1:09:52

just because I think that I don't mean

1:09:54

that either. But I did see him

1:09:56

show against Sean Porter

1:09:58

that he didn't have a dog in mean that he could

1:10:00

put off put it off against a top

1:10:02

nice guy called Seanport is one

1:10:05

of the guys right there at the threshold of being great.

1:10:07

You feel me. So you beat him?

1:10:10

Now you get Now I got a little bit more comfortent

1:10:12

than you and your efforts against Cofor that

1:10:15

caff For beat Porter a little bit worse than you did. Just

1:10:18

done it, Porter, Porter. But

1:10:21

styles also make fights. That still

1:10:23

don't mean that Corford can beat you. But right

1:10:26

now Corfor has the edge because

1:10:28

I've seen Cofford more so and I've

1:10:30

seen against a few more different,

1:10:33

different caliberns of opposition that I see

1:10:35

you against. I was saying that you can't

1:10:37

beat Confer. I'll just say that I've seen Corford

1:10:39

more and against more different known

1:10:42

competition than I see him against. They

1:10:44

took out he don't like yours. Come on,

1:10:46

man, you know how they do. That's what they're gonna do. You

1:10:49

know what I'm saying that shot. I didn't say

1:10:51

that. I see that this dude will be the first

1:10:53

real opposition opposition that we see that we

1:10:55

can judge them afoot. And it was because

1:10:57

it was a hell of a fight until they when

1:11:00

you dropped me, he took over. But it was a good damn

1:11:02

fight. Your feeling so Davis,

1:11:05

bad dude, Bad dude. See

1:11:07

what I like about Tank is tain't bring something different?

1:11:09

You know, back in the days, everybody

1:11:11

has something. Homedy he was a move a

1:11:14

box of George was a puncher. Earnest Stables

1:11:16

was a puncher. Everybody has something about

1:11:18

to take their Holmes had a jail Mike.

1:11:21

We've had over here and right. You know what I'm saying, everybody

1:11:23

has something. That division now is full and

1:11:26

Tank having to be the knockout guy of the division, he

1:11:28

didn't want it with the main knockout power. I

1:11:30

see it has two, but tin't got the real

1:11:32

knockout power. That like, if

1:11:34

Tank hit when I'm cleaning you, they're gonna have a proper

1:11:37

So it's like, I like Tank, uh

1:11:40

every now then I think he just I

1:11:43

think when he knows he can beat somebody, he probably don't take

1:11:45

it, don't lock in his hard But I think

1:11:47

when they bring challenges, he locks in calls

1:11:50

competition and he got to be careful

1:11:53

that he was really doing that. So

1:11:55

you gotta be careful of that because if

1:11:57

you come in and think somebody is not at your level,

1:12:00

you and estimate him, it can get your beat. So I just don't

1:12:02

think. I think you gotta be careful of Other than

1:12:04

that, Tanks are really good fighter tanks are good fighter.

1:12:07

Uh, it's a lot of guys that we class. For

1:12:09

Garcia Lopez, do this,

1:12:11

beat Lopez, Loma Um,

1:12:14

young guy, Devin hanging Man.

1:12:16

So many good guys that we class. But we

1:12:18

need to see him fight each other so we can figure

1:12:20

out who to cream on the carp good,

1:12:23

very good guy, very smart guy. Wins

1:12:25

more with smartness than he does with skill. He

1:12:28

uses his knowledge, his size, he

1:12:30

takes advantage of his size. And I liked

1:12:32

it about Tyson Fur and he's not afraid

1:12:34

to fight nobody. The only thing I tell people,

1:12:36

like I said, I don't want to see him a music fight. Right now, we're

1:12:39

going to heavy division is music.

1:12:42

And Joshua was a great fight Fury,

1:12:45

And while it wasn't even better fight for the fans,

1:12:48

let's keep the fans into the heavway division right

1:12:50

now. If you put us against against

1:12:53

Fury, a

1:12:55

lot of people think the big the better big big

1:12:57

man beats the better small man, and

1:13:00

so we leaned toward Fury. But

1:13:02

either guy could win the fight. But neither guy's

1:13:04

a real knockout puncher, and

1:13:06

right now in headways, we want to see knockouts, or

1:13:09

at least knockdowns, you know what I'm saying,

1:13:11

or at least somebody get hurt somebody or know that somebody

1:13:14

can knock somebody in any given tags Wilder,

1:13:17

that's a good fight. We love that kind of fight. Somebody

1:13:21

somebody that's that way to happen, that's

1:13:24

not waiting to happen. Those kind of fights, those

1:13:26

a kind of fight we want to see. If you don't come from

1:13:29

you understand that that's what we want. We know

1:13:31

that's like that waiting to happen. That's that's

1:13:34

what we really want to see in the headweight division. That's

1:13:36

what we want to see. Thoughts on Jake Paul me,

1:13:39

you gotta get a man of credit. You know, he came out there some

1:13:42

beautiful things. He showed what you can do with social

1:13:44

media. He showed you the effects that social media

1:13:46

can have on sport. And you

1:13:48

know he tries hard. He works hard as

1:13:50

a boxer. I mean for a guy

1:13:52

that's not didn't

1:13:55

start his career as a boxer. He given

1:13:58

the hill because you're making more one of the most of them can

1:14:00

the smart way. He's you. He's showing you what you

1:14:03

can do if you calask two. The God has

1:14:05

given you. Now, he's a perfect example

1:14:07

every every boxer should market

1:14:10

themselves. He's a perfect example. So

1:14:12

if you hate on him some roles, you need to be learning

1:14:14

from him. Don't hate the game he play. Learn

1:14:17

from him because he's doing some good. Look

1:14:19

how much money making any beating others?

1:14:21

Two and he's not really he didn't start

1:14:23

the thing as a boxer. Look what are you're doing? Show

1:14:26

time? You know showtime? Better

1:14:28

believe it? Man, this has been great.

1:14:31

We appreciate you coming down to the home stretch right now.

1:14:33

So the first thing to come to mind, let

1:14:35

us know your mount rushmore boxing.

1:14:39

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1:14:41

the top, Mama Da Mama

1:14:44

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1:14:48

brother Duran. It's

1:14:50

a lot of one that there. But don't polo forma put up? Then

1:14:53

stop a door Sanchez. I gotta go look him

1:14:55

up on the best Mexican pilers of all time.

1:14:58

Let me tell you why. Go look at

1:15:00

all the people fight fine, but

1:15:03

in a fifteen round fight against

1:15:05

stiff opposition. You look

1:15:07

at him around one, between around one, around two, and

1:15:10

go look at between around fourteen, around fifteen,

1:15:12

he looks identic clar the same identical.

1:15:16

He looks identical in between around oneted to

1:15:18

and do between round fourteen and fifteen. I

1:15:20

ain't never seen nobody to do that. Nobody.

1:15:23

This dude looks identical between

1:15:25

around one and two and round four

1:15:27

and five and round eight

1:15:29

and nine as you're doing around fourteen and fifteen.

1:15:32

I've never seen nothing like in my life. That's

1:15:35

who. I also got a lot of my game from

1:15:37

them, but the best tricks to ever see. Everybody

1:15:39

got their things sugar. Then I had the

1:15:41

hand speed, and he had hand foot

1:15:43

speed and entertainment with the mouth, had

1:15:46

her head consistently time I had that

1:15:49

thing with the right hand. The Hulk was

1:15:51

just busy all the time. Duran

1:15:54

had the trickery. Duran was the best

1:15:56

tricks that I ever seen. Was

1:15:59

just like condition wise, and

1:16:02

he wasn't He wasn't flashing, He didn't

1:16:04

have that acceleration

1:16:07

that you want. But my gosh, for fifteen

1:16:09

rounds standing with there a hunt

1:16:11

a mint out fifteen, the dude could

1:16:13

do it. I gotta look him. You just told us

1:16:15

all the grades and what they had, and what would you say

1:16:17

about yourself? I took all of that in packages.

1:16:20

That's not taste so good. I took all that and all

1:16:22

I took all that in package. You take

1:16:25

twelve grades and you take what makes them

1:16:27

great, and you put all that in one

1:16:29

person cannot be great. You

1:16:32

understand me. I mean, I

1:16:34

probably shouldn't say that because y'all know it's better me too,

1:16:37

though, But it

1:16:39

takes depth current And you said, Reggie Miller with

1:16:42

heimples, m hm, shoot

1:16:47

the damn all and they just didn't have a hempn steff. But

1:16:49

look at Stiff. He took what what what? What?

1:16:52

What? What Reggie was missing and he added

1:16:54

that. And because he's doing it

1:16:56

so well now, he probably better shoot him because of the conference

1:16:59

that goes with But he basically if

1:17:01

you look at the basic route when he really is he

1:17:04

really he really is a Miller

1:17:06

type shooter who was a great shooter. But with

1:17:08

him, you understand

1:17:11

me, you gotta learn how to take what's happening

1:17:13

now and how you elevate them. That's

1:17:15

what makes you better, that's what makes you great. If

1:17:17

you take a great I mean chocolate

1:17:20

tito, he followed the great

1:17:22

late grade at Alexes. Alexis a quail

1:17:25

copy Alexe wale stuff and a

1:17:28

powder A little bit more condition, a little more acrobatics

1:17:30

with it, and look at him. He became

1:17:32

quick a hundred six times twit pounder

1:17:35

hundred six pounds became great because he

1:17:37

followed what alexas Quil did and they

1:17:39

got one of these names in boxing, chocolate

1:17:41

chol. So

1:17:44

it's like you have to take the greatness and

1:17:47

figure out how you take that the great today,

1:17:49

how you add your to make that the greetings of tomorrow. That's

1:17:51

what I did. I had should warn

1:17:54

Marvin had a time of hand and put the

1:17:56

rain hom Natalie salth

1:17:59

door since yes and listen. I

1:18:01

had quite. I had about a dozen that used to watch,

1:18:04

and I used to watch them to see what made

1:18:06

them different, because whatever

1:18:08

made them different, I gotta hear that. That's on the

1:18:10

clock. I want what makes them different. Haggler

1:18:13

was to consistency with the beneath with

1:18:15

the defense, turn her her hand with the

1:18:17

right hand and stop. Mohammad was left

1:18:20

to the body level of shot. I got

1:18:22

something from some of all of them, but I took what made

1:18:24

them them. I sent all

1:18:27

those characteristics and trying to put them in my

1:18:29

came so that when you look at me, you see

1:18:31

all the that's how it became pounder pound

1:18:34

You understanding who else you know go through

1:18:36

a thirty punch combedition? Roy Jones should

1:18:39

writ none I could Roy Jones. Mahama

1:18:41

that they could Roy Jones. You

1:18:44

said a thirty punch. I

1:18:47

get tired thinking about that. A

1:18:51

lot of punches for you. But that's a But

1:18:54

what the crowd I want to see was

1:19:00

we should We don't? Did it? Everybody doing crazy?

1:19:03

They did it? They go crazy. So you gotta you

1:19:05

have to give the people their money worthy. They

1:19:07

gonna pay attention. If you're not, then

1:19:09

you just another box What fights

1:19:12

you want to see them?

1:19:14

Lightweights get to get on a fight. Yeah, but I

1:19:16

would like to see Whyden Wild and uh Joshua

1:19:19

fight just because we always want to see it and they

1:19:21

got bad blood exactly. I would definitely to

1:19:23

see that fight. I want to see Charlot versus

1:19:25

Canelo. I really want to see

1:19:27

you Bank versus Carnelo. I want to see

1:19:29

you your Bank versus Charlot. I

1:19:31

want to see Charlotte versus Bubble. That's

1:19:34

a lot of good fights out that that we want to see.

1:19:36

But the reason

1:19:39

UFC has

1:19:41

gotten so much more entertaining in boxing

1:19:43

because the people get the fight they want

1:19:45

to say, they gotta go see boxing. We gotta

1:19:47

get the fights that people want to see. Good

1:19:50

point. If we don't do that, then we waste

1:19:52

our time. If someone were to do a biopic

1:19:54

of your life, what acting would

1:19:56

play you hard

1:19:59

to say, but I even big into actors.

1:20:01

But I'm thinking Cuba, Cuba Good

1:20:03

and Junior m somebody like that

1:20:07

used regardless of anything, He's a great actor, is

1:20:09

one of the best. I give

1:20:12

him that. Top five artists all the time

1:20:14

artists. My favorite gonna

1:20:16

be scar Face. It's really hard to

1:20:18

say because scar Face scar

1:20:21

Face. You know, you gotta understand that a lot of people

1:20:23

do their thing. You know, you could do a thing, Eminem

1:20:26

do a thing DMX for one of my

1:20:28

favorite, um Met

1:20:30

the Man. The

1:20:32

list goes on so many guys, Juvia.

1:20:35

I mean, I just love I love everybody that just

1:20:38

can come up and do hit records over and over and

1:20:40

over again. The my guy. Everybody

1:20:43

have different styles, you know what I mean, So like the're

1:20:45

the ones I like, I'm gonna listen to somebody

1:20:47

first it's gonna probably be scar Face, then

1:20:50

X, then Meth, then

1:20:52

Park, then probably Big. It mean

1:20:55

that's even They'm gonna be in enough somewhere. It's just it's

1:20:57

so many guys. I listened to all of them because every

1:21:00

to have with the I just cute

1:21:03

everybody because I just love music.

1:21:05

So everybody hit one hand and there that I'm gonna like. You

1:21:08

know what I'm saying. So um

1:21:11

morbe what new new

1:21:14

new? Like today? Acts you listen to? Of

1:21:16

course you like NBA, young boy, that's my man. Everybody

1:21:20

like you boy? Yeah, you know I like your boy. So

1:21:22

if you I like Jesus, that like, I mean, Jesus ain't

1:21:24

new, but I like I like a lot of them. I

1:21:26

like a lot of I don't like I list a lot of new music.

1:21:29

Yeah I was. I ain't really be on the new

1:21:31

music as I having the old music. Five

1:21:36

dinner guests that are alive dinner

1:21:39

guess yeah, five people at your table

1:21:41

plus you that

1:21:44

are alive. Barry Sender's

1:21:46

mom, DaLie Walter

1:21:49

Payton, Michael

1:21:51

Jordan's out of Bear, No

1:21:54

sweetness, Barry,

1:21:56

it's never a bad choice. I gotta

1:21:58

give him something. Looking, they're gonna be the only

1:22:01

looking at me, look

1:22:03

at me. They don't look too If

1:22:06

you can have any guests on our

1:22:08

show who would it be? But

1:22:11

before you answer, you're gonna have to help us get

1:22:14

your answer on the show. About

1:22:16

to have a guest on the show. You

1:22:21

know a lot of heavy hitters too, and

1:22:23

a lot of people. I'm trying to thank who I would

1:22:25

like? You're gonna trip out? Who I want you to say?

1:22:28

I think everybody might trip out. Who Larry

1:22:30

Merchant? That would be pretty big. I would

1:22:33

love to interview him, bro. But now to come

1:22:35

think about it, I think Jim Napply wouldn't be a band

1:22:37

with two Yeah, yeah for sure, yes,

1:22:40

yeah. Man. We appreciate your

1:22:42

time. Thank you, Thank you very much.

1:22:45

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