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It's so strange when and how grief hits

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you. I worked all weekend in Los Angeles

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and flew back to New York. Played Sunday

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so I could be home and my kids

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woke up Monday morning. I

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was in the car from the airport. it

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was too am but suddenly I was on

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the balcony and my mom's apartment, replaying the

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last second some my brother's life. It's

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like I was trapped

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suspended in this obliterating

0:31

sadness and swallowed me.

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The. Violence of it. The. Horror of

0:36

it. I felt like I

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might pass out, but I just sat there. Were.

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Tears dripping from my eyes On able to

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move. I'm not

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sure how long exactly I did this in

0:48

the dark in the backseat of the car.

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Finally, I forced myself to breathe

0:53

deeply. He's. Gone

0:55

I thought. All. Of them

0:57

are gone. I'm

0:59

alone. This.

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Is all there is. I.

1:08

Think I'm going to stop this podcast in a week

1:10

or two. I think I need to take a break

1:12

from it. Forbid. I've. Already done in

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interview for next week's episode and the following

1:16

week. I want to finish the season with

1:18

your voices with your calls. I

1:21

ended last season with your messages and I think

1:23

that's how the season should end as well. We've.

1:26

Set up a new phone line for you to

1:28

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me some time. Feel. Free

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right back with my gas today! A remarkable

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woman. Really want you to hear from

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Her name is so my name, mom

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issue Harris. All.

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There is with Anderson Cooper supported

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by Ever North Health Services. Last

2:11

day and the cel about the moments

2:13

that change as I just don't think

2:15

I will ever get used to this

2:18

and Stephanie what else and I have

2:20

had one of these moments we all

2:22

have. So let's unpack the chaos that

2:24

is our human existence together. I don't

2:26

believe things happen for a reason. I

2:28

don't believe the universe has a plan.

2:30

Each week I sit down with a

2:32

new guest to explore happy sad stories

2:34

of transformation. as leanings are far

2:36

as. And

2:39

to last. Will

2:46

come back. And I guess today

2:48

is summer. Him: Harris Everyone calls her

2:50

mom issue. She spent twenty

2:52

seven years working as an administrator

2:55

and schools and Michigan's She's a

2:57

community activist, the minister, and a

2:59

mom. And two thousand and

3:01

seven. Her two year old son, Jacoby was

3:03

killed when he was hit by a car

3:05

while crossing the street with his ten year

3:07

old brother, senior Lou. In.

3:09

Her grief mom issue decided to

3:11

try and transform what was a

3:14

rundown block and Highland Park and

3:16

enclave of Detroit into a vibrant

3:18

community she named as Avalon Village.

3:20

In. Twenty twenty one her other sons in

3:22

yea Lou was murdered. He was twenty three

3:25

years old. I sat down with

3:27

mom issue last week. Thank.

3:29

You so much for doing this. How

3:31

did you get that He mom issue So

3:34

in my community were dressed as mama

3:36

or baba which means father in it's basically

3:38

an African is like a handle just

3:40

like Mr or Ms so it's also like

3:42

a form of respect. The shoe is

3:44

sh You is the Egyptian god of the

3:46

air so my name is so my

3:48

team mom issue here is. Your.

3:51

Son Jacoby was killed when

3:53

use just two years old.

3:56

Where. He like. he was two years,

3:58

one month and six days old to

4:00

be exact. Then he was very, very

4:02

smart. I believe he was just a

4:04

prodigy who's a Dj. He would have

4:06

the microphone, wrapping and everything. and he

4:08

would work that turntable and that's amazing.

4:10

Oh yes, it was the buttons and

4:12

everything though. He was just a bold

4:14

little something while he was here. Just

4:16

a special little been. He was and

4:18

is. Would. Happen. No matter. To

4:21

me a loo and Jacoby. Were.

4:23

Crossing the street, they were holding

4:26

hands and they stepped right off

4:28

of the curb. And then they

4:30

was a car that came barreling

4:32

down the street pretty fast and

4:34

hit Jacoby and the and he's.

4:37

Kind. Of landed over by the street

4:39

lights and the my daughter caffeine

4:41

she was twelve sees ran outside

4:43

and see picture Colby up and

4:45

see was the answer Colby Jacoby

4:47

He ended up being brain damage

4:49

didn't get that much oxygen his

4:51

brain he was connected to the

4:53

tubes and everything but basically his

4:55

his head on hold and on

4:57

and we knew with the inevitable

4:59

was gonna be and the and

5:01

what we decided to do was

5:03

wait until my other daughter Aziza

5:05

got back to Detroit. So but

5:07

she can give him a hug and everything

5:10

and so classy she still had are close,

5:12

was still like have blood on him and

5:14

everything but she sat there in the chair

5:16

or waited until Aziza got there was like

5:18

overnight and she was twelve years old. She

5:21

was twelve years old when she sat there

5:23

and they were so so close they were

5:25

so close to the see state there she

5:27

stayed right there like a big sister and

5:29

waited on other big sisters a com so

5:32

she can basically say to buy what was

5:34

that night like for you. That.

5:36

Night was one of the roughest a night

5:38

I really didn't think I was gonna last

5:40

overnight. Literally I thought I just wouldn't be

5:42

able to make it. You know I thought

5:44

that maybe my heart would stop. Ah, I

5:46

don't know I I I couldn't function no

5:48

more, wouldn't be able to eat. Added know

5:51

what was going to happen because you know

5:53

Anderson. Sometimes me and my friends we would

5:55

hear about things that would happen to other

5:57

families and their children actually died and we

5:59

would have. The was oh my God. I

6:01

would not be able to take it of my

6:03

career would I? Oh my god I was just

6:05

want to crawl into the grave whittam Just those

6:08

are the kind of things that we were saying

6:10

before and so it actually happened to me and

6:12

it was. Even the pain was worse later on

6:14

it didn't get better. It's like the first year

6:16

as says horrible. Just a

6:19

realization that much you got killed like

6:21

I actually lost my two year old

6:23

son, he was actually hit by a

6:25

car old and my other sons had

6:28

an yes it just it just got

6:30

worse. And when I mean by getting

6:32

worse it seems like their first year

6:34

as like almost the first of everything

6:36

you know, the first birthday, the first

6:39

holidays, these first things that you just

6:41

noticed that somebody miss and. I

6:44

heard you say something and I

6:46

found it really moving. Said I

6:48

chose to transform my pain and

6:50

power my grief into glory my

6:52

loss into love. When. I heard

6:54

that I was like wow. Yeah

6:57

cuz one thing it does end up being

6:59

a choice. You. Know sometimes

7:01

we can be in. In. Greece

7:03

so long but at at some point

7:05

we do have to keep it moving.

7:08

Because those loved ones have kept moving. They.

7:11

Move in. Had you do that?

7:13

Man, I'm telling you every single

7:16

things I do right now is

7:18

Greece. This is Greece. It just

7:21

looks beautiful. And

7:23

as the way that I look at it said

7:25

this is grieving your still grieving. Oh

7:27

yes. Every single moment. Every single

7:30

moment. Every single mom with.

7:32

There's not a moment that I don't think

7:34

about every detail of what happened. I've heard

7:36

you say in the past, Jacoby gives me

7:38

courage, just keeps me going. A lot of

7:41

the things we do run children are because

7:43

the him, can you talk about that after

7:45

Jacoby death. Would. Then

7:47

lead you. To. Try.

7:50

To change your community. When I was

7:52

a little girl my neighborhood was beautiful.

7:54

Our talk to the elders and go

7:56

to the store and my school was

7:58

just right around the corner. And everything

8:00

that you needed in want. It was

8:02

right, say earth in the neighborhood and

8:04

I wanted to recreate that Highland Park

8:07

at one time was. One.

8:09

Of the best neighborhoods in Michigan it

8:11

was. It was very beautiful. The City

8:13

of Trees is just was so beautiful

8:15

and does it. Took a hit with

8:17

Chrysler moving out and our school started

8:19

getting close down and I wanted it

8:22

to rise like the Phoenix and be

8:24

beautiful again. a place that is really

8:26

really highly desire to live in. and

8:28

I just started on this block and

8:30

I remember just envisioning it. I don't

8:32

want to leave the hood, a lot

8:34

of people leave, they want to go

8:36

to may be somewhere safer or somewhere.

8:39

The has a better school system and you

8:41

know just all of these things that they

8:43

feel. Better, better, and I'm like, you know what? I'm Stay

8:45

a ride on this block and I'm just. Gonna come

8:47

Packed! Everything that I want on this block

8:49

and the people want on this block. You've.

8:52

Acquired Forty five lots of land is

8:54

Aaron. Yup, six structures and the rest

8:56

as land. It took about eight years

8:58

to actually clean it up as all

9:00

I'm building a village we have a

9:02

par cause you call Be While Parts

9:04

it has his picture. His headstone is

9:06

actually the i didn't put it in

9:08

the cemetery. I have them delivered here.

9:10

It's a beautiful space. It's real sunshiny

9:13

just like him. Their been weddings there.

9:15

There have been celebrations in that park.

9:17

Yes, Yes, I also do memorials

9:19

and funerals and the park on the

9:22

first similar has you're actually was my

9:24

bonus I had a stop sign. his

9:26

name was P Li. he got killed

9:28

when he was thirty four years though

9:30

he was murdered. made the thirteenth two

9:32

thousand and fifteen cents and I did

9:35

his funeral here in the park. But

9:37

the homework house was the very first

9:39

structure that I wanted to finish and

9:41

it took about five years and some

9:43

change to build actually album workhouses please.

9:45

Kids can go after school do. Their

9:48

homework. And of his

9:50

music studio there yet but they have all

9:52

kinds of says since our class we also

9:54

have a washing machine and dryer of work

9:56

at in a school system or saw a

9:58

lot of children. How

10:00

many? And their clothes were dirty Eve

10:03

I have underwear and socks and all

10:05

of those things uniform serve. Everything is

10:07

all nice and crispy. We have school

10:09

supplies and they get a meal and

10:12

everything so we have to stem lab.

10:14

I was able to get a grant

10:16

for our our science, technology, engineering and

10:19

mathematics are we. We built one out

10:21

of a shipping containers, but there's a

10:23

lot of children unfortunately who have lost

10:25

their siblings, their brothers and sisters and

10:28

uncles through mostly murder, mostly crimes, Like

10:30

that and so we try to have

10:32

support for them. We have support groups

10:35

here at the Homework House. I read

10:37

that the one street lights. On.

10:39

The street was repossessed is that even

10:42

allowed. So anderson they took all of

10:44

the streetlights in Highland Park, all of

10:46

the residential areas. The streetlights got repossess

10:48

back in two thousand and eleven. So

10:50

they actually came and picked up the

10:53

polls and actually took a mills about

10:55

maybe twelve hundred and they took amount

10:57

of all of the side streets. So

10:59

right now Avalon Village and another area

11:01

we did a fund raiser were the

11:04

only very first real it blocks says

11:06

the lights were repossessed so you're the

11:08

only one. was. Like we have six

11:10

solar streetlights five of I'm have wife I

11:12

capability souls. The kids could pull up, do

11:15

their homework, people can sit in a park

11:17

and seal and and sit in their car

11:19

that they need to get on the internet.

11:21

How much has all this call so far.

11:25

Oh my Goodness. Home.

11:27

Ortiz or I probably say may be close

11:30

to a million and a half and this

11:32

is over time. We raise our two hundred

11:34

and fifty thousand and are very first kickstarter

11:37

that we deal with. Apple's likes the first

11:39

big chunk of money that I was able

11:41

to initiate and start the Village Sold. I

11:43

just try to find funding through grants and

11:46

different things like that to build what it

11:48

is that we need an asshole Fish sandwiches

11:50

and stuff to Anderson Yep to the had

11:52

we had bake sales fish sandwiches to buy

11:55

the other by the land. You

11:57

know some of the plan was three hundred

11:59

bucks for the law, the and everything. So

12:01

my goal is to have a nice beautiful

12:04

art that says welcome to Avalon Village like

12:06

when you pull up in those beautiful gated

12:08

communities how it looks what all the beautiful

12:10

shops and and or to have coffee and

12:12

tea and sit and read a book in

12:14

the park and the concerts and different things

12:16

like that. So we're doing all of that. We're doing

12:19

all the that. Mama

12:23

Shoes only surviving son to me a

12:25

loop who was ten years old when

12:27

that speeding car ripped his little brother

12:29

Jacobus Hand from his work security and

12:32

Avalon Village. On. January. Twenty

12:34

Six Twenty twenty one. He was

12:36

shot to death. Every.

12:38

Detail of what happened to. My sons

12:40

and Yale Eu everything is to steal.

12:42

Everything is so vivid. Is this Three

12:44

Years one? Twenty Six Twenty One is

12:47

when he became an ancestor. And

12:50

would happen to him. Ca.

12:52

Lu his name is to nail gab

12:54

to hero so he's out of murdered

12:57

somebody shot him five times. He

12:59

was right across the street, He was sitting

13:01

in his truck and he was doing security.

13:04

I was inside of the house and I

13:06

was on zoom and I'll never forget it.

13:08

I heard some gunshots and us flung open

13:10

the on the front door in. I

13:13

started screaming sing a Lose Name

13:15

I once was hello and as

13:17

ten Ten Ten am us the

13:20

call him about eight nine ten

13:22

times. And are

13:24

actually I saw who killed my

13:26

son. And I

13:28

saw them run. Cindy.

13:30

Lou are he died in. Our neighbors

13:32

right across the alley died in there

13:35

doorway. He. Knocked on

13:37

their do bans on their door and he laid

13:39

out and he died. right? There

13:41

I remember straddling Shinji a Loo

13:43

and are. He

13:47

was, he was bleeding and he was gone

13:49

at that point and I remember just look

13:51

at Adam and I just whispered in a

13:53

mattress remember so he had seized. This.

13:56

Is it? This is the day? This.

13:59

Is that day? You are really

14:01

gone. And

14:03

I just whispers some things in his ear

14:05

and I just got up off of on

14:07

when the ambulance came and everything and I

14:09

saw them work and on him and everything

14:11

but already knew he was god you know

14:14

but they had to do that. By.

14:16

Already knew what it was. Yeah,

14:18

That right is a devastating. It still

14:20

is. That is still just very,

14:22

very fresh. And

14:25

you said to hims this is the day. Here.

14:29

The. Coast. So.

14:33

What I understand about humans as I

14:35

just feel that everybody comes here with

14:38

their own separate journey and the

14:40

love once in the family we never

14:42

know when they decide hate. The.

14:45

Gig as up for me. I've done

14:47

what I've done here on the planet.

14:49

This is it My son to Colby

14:52

uses up in two years, one month

14:54

and six days old and so I

14:56

understood that would see and to I'm

14:58

like wow twenty three Like this is

15:01

the detaching moment from him and us

15:03

and just being here are so. That's.

15:06

Just best way that I felt about it.

15:08

And now Jacoby in Sydney loom because they

15:10

come from me and I'm their mother. They

15:14

still live inside. Of me, this still

15:16

part of me and so a lot

15:18

of the things that are manifest a

15:20

manifest in their memory because they're still

15:23

living inside of. I can't detach from

15:25

that part. But physically

15:27

it's happened so I still feel that I

15:30

raise my children in the heavens. So a

15:32

lot of the beautiful things that we've done

15:34

of the park in my son's name a

15:36

bill Shrines for my son's We have a

15:39

basketball court that we call my three sons

15:41

and a has their faces on the basketball

15:43

court. I. Had it a bit beautiful

15:45

mural so those are like my three boys

15:48

but. Singles a

15:50

shrine is very beautiful. We got some

15:52

other some of his friends they helped

15:54

to build it and as a space

15:56

where they hang out so we have

15:58

our these beautiful lovely spaces or here

16:00

for the boys and in their memory.

16:03

Of heard you say but he became an ancestor.

16:05

Isn't and I'm wondering what that means to you.

16:08

So. Basically the ancestors. for me I believe

16:10

the map. you're physically but all of

16:12

their memories a lot of there's ways,

16:15

a lot of things that they do.

16:17

We can still honor them and I

16:19

still honor them. Whenever we have ceremonies

16:21

are we have parties or we have

16:23

something we want everybody to be there,

16:25

all the family members I do something

16:27

called libations. I have my cup in

16:29

a poor or water. We just call

16:31

out all of the folks who have

16:33

become ancestors, the folks who have died

16:35

in our families and we just bring

16:37

up them and. We. Bring up their energies

16:39

and we want them present. And. Then

16:42

when they get he we say they are

16:44

here and there we go ahead and party

16:46

almost anderson like when you see guys and

16:48

they may poor some wine or say this

16:50

is for the homies vessel we do. Best.

16:54

But a whole knees and for the family

16:56

members that are reside in the spirit world.

16:59

Jacoby. Died in two thousand and seven.

17:01

Yes, on his birthday you do

17:03

still have a big party i i'd heard

17:05

you had of of i have a big

17:07

like reggae concert. Ah yeah

17:09

we do Yes party up a

17:12

storm okay it's and say we

17:14

have the biggest gig up in

17:16

is God Arms Reggae in As

17:18

I said yes I just so

17:20

excited about it of assists that

17:23

so anyway so Jacoby was born

17:25

on Marcus Garvey birthdate ah August

17:27

seventeenth and so we have this

17:29

big old reggae are concert festival

17:31

and we have about four reggae

17:34

band and guess where we party

17:36

own sins birthday to am also

17:38

a when. He became it as as a soul.

17:41

For my boys they have to celebrations.

17:43

They have one for their birthday to they have

17:45

one when they become an ancestor, so on on.

17:48

September. Twenty Third, we have our

17:50

far Equinox bonfire and we also

17:52

celebrate Jacoby crossing over into the

17:54

Spirit world. I'm a minister since

17:56

two thousand and One and the

17:58

As A Pass. The edge in

18:01

the Bible and it talks

18:03

about enduring sadness. Psalms Thirty

18:05

Five is as weeping me

18:07

endure for a night. but

18:09

joy comes in the morning.

18:13

And for me, The joy for

18:15

me and isn't comes in the morning,

18:17

but not in the morning like you

18:19

wake up. It. Comes in

18:21

the M O you are in I

18:23

N g the actual morning and that's

18:25

what I've been able to find with

18:27

my boys and with my loved ones.

18:30

I've been able to find that that

18:32

piece right there so that I can

18:34

keep going and keep it moving here

18:36

on earth. and so the things that

18:38

I create it's morning that's why see

18:40

it as justices Greece but it's It's

18:42

like the beautiful side of Greece. And

18:45

there is a beautiful side of it. So

18:47

I think to be able find joy in

18:49

it would be an extraordinary thing. So.

18:52

Yeah for me to create Jacoby Raw Park

18:54

brought me healing, brought me joy, brought me

18:56

happiness and that's what I saw and I

18:58

talked to a lot of mothers who have

19:01

lost their sons and I saw them how

19:03

they can actually honor their children and create

19:05

shrines and do beautiful art works and what

19:07

did you some like and just to show

19:09

them how to put things together saw try

19:11

to find ways to help them but I

19:14

do tell him that as it gets more

19:16

bearable as you go on. I do say

19:18

that but I am very truthful about it

19:20

and say about this is just some. Ross

19:22

six years on a seal. For.

19:25

A while. You.

19:27

Know. For a while I think

19:29

that one of my own. One.

19:32

Of the greatest things here is just

19:34

to enjoy. Things. Right

19:36

now how they are right now

19:39

how beautiful they are right now

19:41

and not to are. Attached

19:44

herself. sold so tightly. Not

19:47

to touch yourself so tightly to to

19:49

work. I had to understand a detach

19:51

from the physical miss of them to

19:54

learn that peace. And know that I

19:56

can still deal with those. Boys on a higher level

19:58

and that's what I do, right? How to

20:00

be able to still be their mother, still

20:02

understand and and be able to a commune

20:04

with their spirits. I know that they are

20:07

gone and know that they're dead or know

20:09

that they're not here. I know that their

20:11

ancestors but are also know that they're still

20:13

here because they're part of me and I'm

20:15

still able to work with those boys and

20:17

I do and I feel them or know

20:19

when they are around and know when they

20:22

have their he in certain things. That happen.

20:24

I just feel it. And

20:27

you still have a relationship with them. Yes,

20:30

I have. A full relationship with

20:32

them for relationship. To.

20:35

Talk To them. I talk to them

20:37

of being a parent because I'm a feel

20:39

in my hear that I'm still a period

20:41

of still appeared but I'm reason these. Boys

20:43

in the Heavens. So I'm I'm still

20:46

connected. That's how I feel. And

20:48

I talk to them hey I'm doing this in

20:50

a certain things that happened that go through and

20:52

I'm like okay that when that would see and

20:55

you know. That. Were numbered. She had that

20:57

the assist you know. What

21:00

I was Jacoby right. there are ways

21:02

know quip always know which one to

21:04

sixty of I'm No barriers that acts

21:06

as a Caesar Zero disease of Signature.

21:10

Oh my goodness When whenever it's time

21:12

for Ra Ra for be to like,

21:14

stand up his destiny, lose. Like

21:17

Mar ah you are to do this and Whoop

21:19

Whoop Whoop that was is that that he would

21:21

have You got to do to whoop they do

21:23

I was like yes I am. Recently

21:26

at out with as you get Admin

21:29

aboard assists. The

21:31

person who was driving the

21:33

car. The. Killed coby

21:35

What happened to that person? So

21:37

jacoby. Just killer. He actually was

21:39

a neighbor. Anderson lived on our

21:41

same street. he got three to

21:44

fifteen years he ended up doing

21:46

three but I he was held

21:48

accountable and basically what happened was

21:50

he left the seem obscene knowing

21:52

he had hit hit your child.

21:54

Yes, And. That's why he

21:57

got three to fifteen years the people

21:59

who killed since. Lou. From what I

22:01

understand one of them is deceased and the

22:03

other one is in jail right now. He's

22:05

a and for another crime so I'm trying

22:07

to work with the authorities. I'm telling them

22:10

I saw what happened, I saw the people

22:12

running away, I saw the mid i can

22:14

it's dinner fi the young man and everything

22:16

I don't know is says really really slow

22:18

and is just dragon and are. That

22:21

right there for me and isn't It adds

22:23

to the grease just as is important for

22:25

you. Goof. Yes,

22:28

it is. Because. I got just

22:30

as with Jacoby but just as for to

22:32

game was really important to me because. Because.

22:35

It just is end up being said he

22:37

should be held accountable. So for me that

22:39

part right there is gonna be solved in

22:42

is gonna be taking care of. His

22:44

or something you've learned in your grief. That.

22:47

Would help others who are listening right now. In

22:50

their grief I was say

22:52

to strive to stay connected.

22:55

Even though the physical bond.

22:58

Has been severed. Because

23:00

those souls have something else to do.

23:03

Still, Just know that their party you. They

23:06

may not seem like it right then and there.

23:08

But. It is a beautiful day. Later on in

23:11

a can be a beautiful thing later on. That

23:13

notion that you can still have a

23:15

relationship with somebody who's died. Is

23:18

something I've I've learned in the first

23:20

season. this podcast from people was talking

23:22

to and he was a revelation to

23:24

me. And I'm.

23:29

It's extraordinary and is It has

23:31

helped me tremendously. that idea and

23:33

sort of opened up my mind

23:35

to thinking about grief and a

23:37

different. And

23:39

sometimes it may even help to even to

23:41

slight daddy. Daddy. I'm here

23:43

right here. This is Fill in this can away

23:46

or mom. Is.

23:48

All right to say out loud and of

23:50

that's what I do sometime Like Sienna. Sometimes

23:53

I'm I'm I'm So does I Do

23:55

Like six weeks you just say their

23:57

name, say a three times. Watch

24:01

Daddy What's that are? You know I'm going

24:03

through. This is all right to see it

24:05

like that. I have lights conversations just like

24:07

that. I. Do. That.

24:10

Taught him just like he's here right now

24:12

when I'm begin our gym shoes for Real.

24:17

You need his advice. Oh

24:19

my goodness, See and Aziz sweet or

24:21

not, use. Assistant at

24:23

a said i do an ama tell you

24:25

up and I become a gym shoes or

24:28

he had since him because I'm telling you

24:30

see love Jordan's all kinds of stuff whenever

24:32

Rcmp he had see it would like these

24:34

objects nice boys is a see me and

24:36

I just i get him so now I'm

24:38

like oh my god I'm fifty eight he

24:40

got this whole gym sue clause in his

24:42

status as a but as the so much

24:44

fun because because s was stay in the

24:46

moment and when Jacoby says things is usually

24:48

over my. right? Shoulder. Lemme

24:51

tell you this one quick thing, right? quick.

24:53

When we were raised and money initially for

24:55

build in the village and we did this

24:57

kickstarter, my team was like fifty thousand dollars

24:59

less. Raised Fifty thousand dollars on my city.

25:01

Thousand dollars I got to get us nowhere

25:03

merryman but a roof and I remember here

25:05

and Jacoby see and big. Big

25:08

big, That's all I heard

25:10

over my shoulder some like okay I

25:12

said no, we're gonna go to Forty

25:14

one Nine Hundred Two hundred and Forty

25:16

One Thousand Nine Hundred dollars s the

25:18

amount of that's our arms goal And

25:20

we ended a raise. And to Forty

25:22

Three Six Ninety One. In. Thirty

25:25

Days. And I

25:27

was a soul. So happy! But when he

25:29

said go big I was like a year

25:31

ago base and now less the way I

25:34

think to you know where I'm not gonna

25:36

small change nothing Anderson some going for it

25:38

sheds a call the have made me go

25:40

for it's a real is it. Don't play

25:43

around with this mass big big since this

25:45

so whenever I think I'm I'm small and

25:47

Marcel for what it is that I'm doin

25:49

and everything I'm like no big and he

25:52

what he was a little short saying you

25:54

know but yes I remember nice as hear

25:56

him speak and I'm speaking. Of

25:58

loud and clear. Yeah,

26:01

so that's what keeps me going to

26:03

that's Greece to Glory. Yes, that's Greece

26:05

to Glory. Mom issue Thank

26:08

you so much. You. Welcome Anderson Thank

26:10

you and peace and love to you and

26:12

your heart. Mom

26:16

Issue continues to raise money to

26:18

expand and improve Avalon Village. You'd

26:21

like to contribute to her dream

26:23

or find out more information in

26:25

go to her website the Avalon

26:27

village.org or follow her on Instagram

26:29

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26:33

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26:35

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26:37

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26:42

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26:44

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26:50

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