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Hey everybody, it's time for Mac Break

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Weekly. Well, just a few hours ago

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Apple announced new iPads, a new Apple

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Pencil. We've got the panel to talk

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about it, explain it, and delve deep

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into what the M4 is all about.

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Is this Apple's way of

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saying, forget the Mac, you need an

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iPad? I don't know, Doc Rock is

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here from Ecamm. We've got Andy Inocco

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and Micah Sargent stuck around after the

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event. So we've got some talking to

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do. Coming up next, the brand new

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iPads are here on Mac Break Weekly.

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is Mac Break Weekly, episode 920, recorded Tuesday, May 7th,

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2024. Breath of Lavender. It's

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time for Mac Break Weekly, the show where we cover

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the latest news from Apple. And of course, this morning

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there was big news, so much so

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that half the panel has disappeared.

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Andy, thank you for not leaving me. Andy

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Inocco is here, but he's in the library

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with a sailing ship model. Andy

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Inocco from GBH in Boston. Hi, Andrew.

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Yes, thank you. I thought I'd show

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off the where your educational tax dollars

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are going into our library infrastructure, which

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is part of a healthy

1:22

community and an informed community. Actually, my pick

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of the week has to do with the

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library, so stay tuned. Excellent. Also

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with us, Micah Sargent, he got up early

1:31

with me, early Pacific time anyway, 7 a.m.

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to watch the Apple event and

1:35

then host iOS today. So we're really putting

1:37

them to work today, a three-show day for

1:40

Mr. Sargent. You can go take

1:43

a nap later. I

1:45

was up at four this morning, and for some

1:47

reason, I could not get back to sleep. Yeah,

1:49

I had the same problem. I've been up since

1:51

four. I had the same problem. Maybe we're just

1:53

so excited. And my eight sleep said, well, your heart

1:55

rate was 7% higher. What's going on? I was excited. because

2:00

it's a holiday geek day

2:03

for apple lovers. Doc Rock's here

2:05

filling in for Alex Lindsay. Hello,

2:07

doctor. Hello. I was

2:09

going to say Michael Lindsay is 7'4 man. For

2:12

us Hawaii people, we got to get up at 4. And

2:15

I'm the same though. I have that

2:17

disease. It's called Apple Announcement Insomnia. I

2:20

never get cleaned properly the night

2:22

before. I don't know why. Did

2:25

you get up for the... I mean, it wasn't... This is

2:27

the weird thing. It wasn't an event. It

2:29

was more of a viewing party, right? Yeah,

2:32

you get up and I got up. I got up

2:34

and I really thought like maybe it was going to

2:36

be like two hours for some reason. I was like,

2:38

man, they're going pretty fast. And

2:40

it was about 48 minutes or whatever. So

2:43

it could have been a TV show. But

2:45

first time I watched it on Apple

2:47

TV instead of YouTube, just

2:49

out of curiosity and it's glorious. And it

2:52

was when you open the Apple TV app,

2:54

it was like the, you know, the giant

2:56

hero and it looked really good. So yeah,

2:58

four times the phone. Well, don't tell the

3:00

antitrust people. Yeah,

3:03

I think it was the first one that really

3:05

felt like an infomercial. I was almost expecting like a

3:07

chyron with an 800 number on it. Like

3:11

it was just like, okay, well, if there's... If

3:13

all you're going to do is post like a

3:15

highly produced video with sales points, marketing points, okay,

3:19

I'll definitely like bookmark that for watching later. But

3:21

it's like it takes the eventness out of it.

3:24

Yeah. And then the same thing

3:26

to a Micah early on is that it

3:28

really felt like an advert, not an event.

3:31

And I guess that's what happens. If Alex were here,

3:33

we'd say, no, no, this is the way. Because

3:36

in 48 minutes, they got everything. Now it was supposed

3:38

to be 25 minutes. I guess German got that wrong.

3:41

Well, is it supposed to be? No, it

3:44

was rumored to be. Not necessarily. Well,

3:46

I know. I actually, of course,

3:48

I used one of our favorite apps,

3:50

Downey, to download like the actual video.

3:53

So it's 41 minutes, 40 seconds

3:55

minus probably the three minutes it took

3:58

to launch. with

4:00

for the countdown. So yeah, this was pretty

4:02

short. This is pretty brisk. Yeah. And the

4:04

countdown was very smooth transition. But the one

4:06

thing that I thought was funny, I don't

4:08

know if you noticed this, when

4:10

Tim was doing a talk, Tim

4:12

had this bounce and he would like

4:14

every syllable, he was doing like a

4:17

karaoke ball bounce. Every couple of

4:19

syllables, he would like pop, pop. And

4:21

I was waiting for him to just... Tim

4:24

is always a little pressured in

4:26

his speech, a little, good morning.

4:28

But he seemed more so. I

4:32

don't know why, but he did seem more so. There was

4:34

something going on. He was, I noticed that too. He was

4:36

a little bit Italian in his

4:38

gestures. Yeah. Maybe that's one of

4:40

the other reasons why I got the infomercial vibe off of them.

4:44

Tim didn't stay very long. He just

4:46

stayed long enough to say, the good news

4:48

is the Vision Pro is selling exactly as

4:50

we intended. Yeah.

4:53

And all the superlatives that we thought

4:55

we would miss out on, like all

4:58

the irrelevant superlatives that we thought we

5:00

miss out on by not having a

5:02

live event. So that's the new MacBook

5:04

Airs are the best selling notebooks in

5:06

the entire world. That's

5:09

nice. We didn't get a walkthrough of

5:11

like a new architectural Maven Apple

5:14

store, flagship store, but it'll do. It'll

5:16

do. No mention of the big product

5:18

that Apple sells half of their revenue,

5:21

which is the iPhone. But

5:23

this was really iPad day

5:25

and pencil day. I'm on the Apple store, which was

5:27

closed. This time, they got up right after the event.

5:29

They wanted to give you a chance to buy. And

5:32

everything we're going to talk about, you can order right

5:34

now for delivery. Well, it

5:36

was next week. I don't know if

5:38

they're getting sold out. So there's an

5:40

iPad pro in 11 and 13 inches.

5:42

They're not saying 12.9 anymore. There's

5:47

a new iPad air in 13 and

5:49

11 inches, which looks interestingly a lot

5:51

like the old iPad pro, even as

5:53

an M2 chip in it. They

5:55

dropped the price of the 10th generation iPad. That's

5:57

now the base model at $340. which

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is a great price really I mean for an iPad

6:03

that will do everything these other guys will

6:05

do and they're off to the right

6:08

it says new new new and

6:10

the iPad mini where there was

6:12

absolutely nothing yeah that's a

6:14

bummer that was something I was really looking

6:16

forward to and also it's they

6:19

really seem to have cluttered like the top end

6:21

now it's I

6:24

was amazed I will talk about I'm sure we'll

6:26

talk about this later but it just seems weird

6:29

that okay so you know I have the iPad

6:31

Air which has most of the functionality that would

6:33

attract someone to the iPad Pro if they're assuming

6:35

that they don't they're not made of money they

6:37

don't want to necessarily spend top dollar on the

6:39

top amount on the top device but

6:42

it's no longer the thinnest but the iPad Air

6:44

is not the thinnest one it's

6:46

like so the easiest one to hold is still

6:49

is going to be the iPad Pro and so

6:51

it's it bums me out that they miss an

6:53

opportunity to really differentiate the iPad

6:55

by bumping up the iPad mini

6:57

which again it's it's it's such

6:59

a great device yeah

7:02

I I I'm

7:04

curious what you all thought

7:06

my take away from this

7:08

and I guess they're coming at it

7:10

from a Mac user a Macintosh user

7:13

is that Apple is now doubling down

7:15

on this notion of what's a PC

7:17

this is the post PC computer

7:20

and it really is looking more and more

7:22

and priced more and more like

7:25

a full fledged laptop I

7:28

really like the people

7:30

who like me who are worried oh what wet you

7:32

know what's gonna happen to Mac and Mac OS I

7:35

think the alarm bells are going off again I was

7:37

I was lulled to sleep for a while but I

7:39

think they're going off

7:42

you know my take was it

7:44

was still that gee it's impressive these

7:46

are great leaps in performance they made

7:48

a they made great hay about what

7:50

Final Cut could do on an iPad

7:52

with AI features and selecting things and

7:54

selecting foreground objects from background object that

7:56

just touch of a button blah blah

7:58

blah all I could think of however

8:00

was, wow that's really, really impressive. Imagine

8:03

how impressive an achievement they could have

8:05

made if five or ten

8:07

years ago they had not decided that

8:09

touch screens do not belong on Macs.

8:11

This could be a Macintosh. This could

8:13

be a next evolution of a hybrid

8:16

desktop tablet sort of OS sort of

8:18

interface. And now as I

8:20

mean as we saw as I so

8:22

ably demonstrated last week, you can't really

8:24

sub an iPad for a laptop's work.

8:26

To this day, the same thing that

8:30

is true today as it was the first

8:32

day, an iPad is great so long as

8:34

you can really predict exactly what you're going

8:36

to need it to do and everything works

8:38

fine. It's the moment when you have to

8:40

call an audible in the middle on the

8:43

day and in the moment that it

8:45

really starts to let you down.

8:47

So again, kudos to making a

8:50

really wonderful tablet.

8:52

I've got an iPad Pro. I love it

8:54

but what I would love this iPad Pro

8:56

to be is just no iPad

8:59

at all and just a Mac that is

9:01

that flexible. Yeah. I think

9:03

it's coming. I think the emergence is getting

9:05

closer and strangely,

9:08

the Rosetta Stone

9:11

of this if you will is

9:13

the Apple Vision Pro because

9:15

that is the first computer that's not

9:17

a computer but it is a computer

9:20

and it shows that you can

9:22

put computer as appliance. So

9:25

I think we're three to four years

9:27

out but I believe your wish

9:29

comes to sooner than you think. I'm

9:32

not wishing for this, believe me. The

9:34

Vision Pro is an iPad internally, right?

9:36

I mean it's basically the iPad. Yeah,

9:41

I wonder, I don't think Apple will stop

9:43

making the Mac but

9:46

it really feels like they want, this is

9:48

the computer they want, people even pros to

9:51

buy. Here's

9:53

the, just so people know what

9:55

we're talking about, the comparison, on the

9:58

left is the new 1380. inch

10:00

M4, that's very important based iPad

10:02

Pro, this is a M2 based

10:05

iPad Pro, the last generation and

10:07

the new iPad Air also

10:10

M2. Price wise,

10:13

I don't know why they don't have the, maybe

10:15

they stopped selling the iPad Pro, 6th

10:18

generation, they don't have a price for it. Screen

10:21

now 13 inches instead of 12.9, you can see

10:24

that. Ultra Retina XDR

10:26

on the new iPad Pro, Liquid

10:29

Retina XDR on the old iPad Pro

10:31

and Liquid Retina NODR on

10:33

the Air, you don't

10:36

get promotion either but all three are P3,

10:39

all three are True Tone, all three have

10:41

any reflective coating and they introduced a nano

10:43

texture display on the

10:45

1 and 2 terabyte models of the

10:47

new iPad Pro. Now that's

10:50

the same nano texture I think that's on

10:52

the monitor, right on the XDR monitor which

10:55

is I think pretty sensitive. Micah you

10:57

stopped me from ordering

10:59

the nano texture display. Please don't get it. Because

11:01

it's dimmer. That was the thing that

11:07

I didn't hear people complaining about any sort of sensitivity

11:10

or that it would chip or

11:12

something, it was just that by having

11:14

that on there you're reducing, they felt

11:16

that the brightness was reduced. But remember

11:18

when the XDR is true, the display

11:20

came out with a nano texture, they

11:22

said don't touch it and they

11:24

sold a $19 polishing cloth with it. Maybe

11:29

they've got a more durable... Hopefully this is

11:31

a different kind. I mean don't touch it,

11:34

doesn't work for us. Exactly,

11:36

you gotta touch it. Kind of

11:38

a problem. Only with the Apple

11:40

Pencil. The M4 chip is

11:42

now out. We're

11:44

gonna have to really dive deep into that and we

11:46

will in a bit. 10

11:48

core CPU up to, they didn't talk about

11:50

the 10 cores, they talked about the 6 and 4. 10

11:53

core GPU, 16

11:55

core neural engine. That's the same 16

11:58

core neural engine it looks like in the M2. versions

12:01

of the iPad. In fact it's

12:03

very similar to the M2 so we'll be interested

12:05

to see. Camera

12:07

wise they're still going with that

12:09

12 megapixel even

12:11

though they promoted the idea that you might

12:14

want to shoot video with your iPad. Please

12:16

don't. Yes but you'll notice that they lost

12:18

a lens. We only have one camera lens

12:21

on the new iPad Pros whereas the previous

12:23

model has both the wide and ultra wide.

12:25

It was an interesting choice to get rid

12:27

of a lens but I think one that

12:30

suggests hey maybe the iPads not the best

12:32

place to be taking the photos of the

12:34

video. Yeah even though they showed it but

12:37

they did also really showed it specifically for

12:39

files you know they were really sharing kind

12:41

of a thing yeah document scanning

12:43

or if you need to but

12:46

yeah. They also they

12:49

also released a Final Cut camera app which is

12:51

designed for multi camera shoots using Final Cut on

12:53

the iPad so I think they want you to

12:55

use your iPhone. They did because

12:58

thank God

13:00

they moved the camera. Always been

13:02

a problem for me on the

13:04

iPad Pro which was the camera

13:06

was on the left-hand side if

13:10

you held it in landscape mode. In fact they even

13:12

show it here in portrait mode as if oh of

13:14

course that's how you're supposed to hold an iPad but

13:16

the new one they put it on top like they

13:18

did with the air so that's that's good. It

13:21

does not it does have the true depth camera system

13:23

you know it'll move you move around with you on

13:25

center stage. Connectors yep Thunderbolt

13:28

USB 4 just like the

13:30

previous version face ID here's

13:33

one you're gonna be interested in though. Apple

13:35

Pencil Pro is not supported on your

13:37

old iPad Pro. Yeah

13:40

requires an M2 or an M4 excuse me a new

13:42

one new new air or a new new pro because

13:45

this is 12th generation I mean 12.9 inch 6th generation iPad is

13:48

on M2

13:52

so it's not the M2 they

13:54

just I think declined to support the Pencil

13:56

Pro on the older iPad Pro

13:58

maybe a little nudge. to

14:01

get you in there. Yeah so now

14:03

that that means is now they have three

14:05

pencils they have to keep like I check

14:07

to make sure even the first generation pencil

14:09

is still on the on the books which

14:11

is I suppose is fair because they want

14:13

to make sure it's compatible all the way

14:15

down but wow that's I'm sure that's a

14:17

non-optimal roadmap they that they were trying to

14:19

avoid. They have bumped

14:22

the minimum memory storage which is

14:24

a good thing frankly that was a little

14:26

low at 128 but is now 256 gigs

14:30

let's do a little little shopping shall

14:32

we so Micah

14:34

you're gonna get you like the 11 inch a

14:38

and black or silver space

14:40

black party space kind of love

14:42

that right up to

14:45

two terabyte notice though two terabyte two

14:47

terabytes is a thousand dollars more than

14:49

the 256 gigabytes yeah wow

14:54

that's not just a storage I'm thinking you

14:56

get a better processor I don't know what

14:58

do you get some more I don't

15:01

know anyway people have not yet

15:04

hold that apart but I think that is

15:06

you know in the work to trying to

15:09

figure out exactly because we have seen in

15:11

the past that the terabyte

15:13

models have more RAM or

15:16

have other features that the non terabyte

15:18

yeah I think that's what it is

15:20

my current one is two terabytes and

15:23

I mainly got it because

15:25

I just was going to be using it to

15:27

dump a lot of photo and footage when I'm

15:29

traveling I use it to edit and

15:32

at this point in time like

15:34

I would say one would have

15:36

been fine but I always overdo

15:38

it yeah yeah you can't

15:40

really add it later but it is super

15:42

handy being able to like you know take

15:44

pictures with my cameras or take footage with

15:47

my camera or the osmo pocket 3 now

15:49

which is my favorite camera don't be straight

15:51

to the iPad get the chopping and then

15:53

you know I'll put stuff on the fly

15:55

so it's helpful but I don't really notice

15:57

anything other than the space you go up

15:59

it's go ahead It might sound

16:01

a little bit weird given how cheap you can

16:03

buy a terabyte of storage like as a Thunderbolt

16:05

device, but it's

16:08

possible that it's likely that it's not just

16:10

the amount, it's the kind of RAM that

16:12

they want to put in there. I

16:15

thought it's still kind of weird that on the

16:17

iPad Air, you can still get the minimum of

16:19

128 gigs, which is like

16:21

really? Seriously? Sure.

16:24

I think that might be equally

16:27

a reflection of here's how much

16:29

Apple spends on RAM and here's how

16:31

much it would affect the really,

16:33

really comfortable buy-in price of the iPad Air if

16:35

they made the minimum just 256 gigs. That

16:39

reminds me too, you were talking about

16:41

the nano texture glass. Speaking of storage

16:44

size impacting, nano texture glass is

16:46

only available on the 1 terabyte

16:48

and 2 terabyte models. That's right.

16:51

So you can't even get that nano on

16:53

the smaller. And that's probably because they're doing

16:55

something with the image in order to make

16:57

it work properly with the new nano texture,

16:59

especially with the new sandwich displays. So

17:01

it might need that extra space in

17:03

order to do something. You're very generous,

17:06

Doc Rock. It could also be because

17:09

they just want you to have to

17:11

get more, spend more money. I

17:13

never take that approach because that is the

17:15

easiest way to ruin a business and this

17:18

business has not ruined itself for all this

17:20

time. But everyone always goes through

17:22

other just doing this to make money. I tell

17:24

you how I run my business. I do things

17:26

to make money. Yeah,

17:28

they're pushing you. They are giving you

17:30

reasons to buy more. There

17:33

is also, thanks to a James B who's looking

17:35

at the tech specs, the 1

17:37

and 2 terabyte models have one

17:39

more performance core. They have

17:41

twice the RAM, 16 gigs. The

17:44

lower storage units, 256 and

17:47

512, have three cores and

17:49

performance cores and eight gigs of RAM. So

17:52

that's what the bump is. It

17:55

sounds like you really want to at least get

17:58

a terabyte if you want the nano texture. or

18:00

more RAM. I think

18:03

16 gigs of RAM seems like a

18:05

good idea personally. Yeah, especially

18:07

with the investment in AI now that they're

18:09

really going both shoulders ahead with that. At

18:12

least on other platforms we've seen that these models

18:14

if you're trying to run them on device and

18:17

that seems to be what Apple wants to do,

18:19

you really do need as much RAM as possible

18:21

to get them to work efficiently. And that was

18:23

after people were already complaining

18:25

that 8 gigs seemed a little

18:27

bit chintzy. At least not for

18:30

under advice that might not have the option of getting

18:32

more RAM than that or a really

18:34

really big price jump for getting

18:36

more RAM than that. So I mean they did I

18:39

think by a lot of us were

18:41

kind of paying close attention to what do

18:43

they say about artificial intelligence because they're gonna

18:46

part of the messaging going forward for Apple

18:48

is going to be yes but we acknowledge

18:50

that we live in an AI driven tech

18:52

world. Believe me all of our hardware and

18:54

software and our operating systems are gonna reflect

18:56

that. So we're gonna spend even on a

18:58

41 minute or 40 minute

19:01

presentation we're gonna spend at least three

19:03

or four or five minutes explaining exactly

19:05

how powerful the M4 is for how

19:09

powerful neural engine is. I

19:11

think they actually even said

19:13

that with a lot of

19:15

fudge factor in it the

19:17

iPad Pro is the most

19:19

powerful, the most powerful onboard

19:21

AI of any desktop computer.

19:23

They're basically saying

19:26

that all the all the Intel stuff has

19:28

not come out yet. It is faster than

19:30

all the stuff that is currently existing. It probably won't

19:32

be as fast as what's gonna happen in six months

19:35

for now but at least for now we can say

19:37

that we have the most powerful AI

19:40

hardware support in the CPU on any mobile

19:43

or If numbers

19:45

are your thing you can

19:47

remember the number 38, 38

19:50

tops which

19:52

is what they're claiming for their AI engine.

19:55

You can compare that when Qualcomm stuff comes

19:57

out which is any minute now. Yeah,

20:00

I don't know if Intel's gonna even be in

20:03

the game but Qualcomm is claiming of

20:05

course to be outperformed the M2s Nanotexture

20:08

glass cost you a hundred bucks more Wi-Fi

20:11

I mean plus cellular rather cellular cost

20:13

you 200 bucks more. That's kind of

20:15

a bump. It used to be 129

20:17

bucks Now in turn some people

20:21

Were caught off guard I guess by

20:23

the fact that the cellular models no

20:25

longer have a physical sim drawer Oh,

20:27

it's easy. Yeah So

20:30

if that's a thing that bugs you be aware of

20:32

that Yeah, and I imagine

20:34

that will be more of an issue outside

20:36

the US but here in the US

20:38

I think every carrier does he said now Let's

20:41

see what else Apple pencil

20:43

Pro is 129 bucks Apple

20:47

regular pencil non pro is

20:49

79 dollars. They are

20:51

not offering the less expensive pencil Pencil

20:55

dilettante edition Like

20:59

two weeks ago because I left one in

21:01

the airplane Ex-host plot a

21:03

new pencil two weeks ago and

21:05

it's funny now a pencil can be found with fine

21:07

line and I was like, oh Part

21:11

my whole house looking for this A

21:14

lot of a lot of stuff into that pencil.

21:16

I don't know if they have you a UWB in

21:18

there or what but it's pretty impressive So

21:21

let's see here magic to add

21:23

the magic keyboard Something

21:26

I would never play again, by the

21:28

way, really you like the third party

21:31

wise I know I love my magic

21:33

keyboard, but here without traveling it Happens

21:36

so many times when you're set up on

21:38

the the tray table, right? And I

21:40

have a 12.9 is pro is

21:42

bent back like that. Everything is glorious I'm in

21:45

my movie and the person in front the size

21:47

that throw the chair back And

21:49

then it bites the top of that

21:52

little click things and the iPad either

21:54

hits the tank or yeah And

21:56

I'm like, you know what? I'm not even gonna bother

21:58

anymore. I'm just gonna get a regular folio

22:01

and some portable keyboard and

22:03

just be happy. Because

22:05

yeah, it's nice to type one. It

22:07

does make it way heavier too. And

22:10

so now that my most of my life is in

22:13

an airplane or an airport, I'm like, yeah, I'm not

22:15

buying one of those ever again and I actually like

22:17

it. Yeah. Well, that's gonna be true

22:19

of any laptop, of course. I do

22:22

love my Magic Keyboard. I generally keep

22:24

it that that's generally where the iPad

22:26

lives. I find though that I

22:28

think for the reasons that you

22:30

were mentioning, I also tend to keep

22:33

the standard just like keyboard, excuse me, the

22:36

standard cover like in the bag as well.

22:39

Because if I'm gonna be out for like

22:41

a day, even overnight, it's

22:43

kind of nice to have that option of being

22:45

able to actually fold it as flat as I want

22:47

it to go. The only thing I don't like about

22:50

the Magic Keyboard is that it bends only to a

22:52

certain extent and no further. And

22:54

oftentimes that extra like 15,

22:56

20 degrees is the difference

22:58

between perfect viewing angle

23:01

and okay, I guess that'll

23:03

do. Yes, exactly.

23:07

And you know, this is so crazy

23:09

Andy. I often forget to take it

23:11

out. Like because it lives there

23:13

so much that in my brain, it's just

23:15

part of the deal. So oftentimes I'm sitting

23:17

there, I'm holding it uncomfortably, I'm holding the

23:19

Magic Keyboard uncomfortably and my brain never says,

23:21

hey dummy, just pull it apart. Oh look,

23:24

you can just carry this card. You know, it's

23:26

a yeah, I agree with you. Magic

23:28

Keyboard is $300. It's

23:30

cheaper. It was $350. Oh, all right. That's

23:34

a blessing. It

23:36

does have a function row. So win. A

23:39

win. 300 bucks. But

23:41

it does make it a challenging

23:45

proposition because now,

23:49

again, I love the iPad Pro, but if

23:52

Apple is positioning it as something that

23:54

is competitive with a laptop, by the

23:56

time you add in a comfortable keyboard

23:58

case like that, you are not

24:00

just you are almost in the

24:02

arena of like a performance grade Windows

24:05

notebook with a touchscreen and with a

24:09

pen that was probably not as good as

24:11

the pencil but as good as most

24:13

people are going to want. So it's

24:16

an interesting proposition to suddenly

24:18

say once you look it's I mean I cheaped

24:21

out about it. I did get the

24:23

iPad pro I wanted. I did not get the

24:25

keyboard case until like 8 to

24:27

10 months later when the previous

24:29

generation model was on sale and I found

24:31

out that you can actually use them in the new

24:33

models too. So I was able to cheap out and

24:36

at least spread it out a little bit but if

24:38

I had $1,500, $1,600 worth of iPad in my basket

24:40

at once I would have need

24:45

to take a good 48 hour breather to figure

24:47

out what can I buy for $1,600 that might

24:49

do as good

24:51

a job as this iPad pro combination

24:54

and can I do even better than that for

24:56

the same amount or as good for $400 and

24:58

$500 less. If you are

25:00

a mini fan by the way, Gurman is saying

25:03

that there will be a seventh generation mini

25:05

at some point relatively soon.

25:09

So we will

25:11

see you know I don't and a new pencil to go

25:13

with it. Maybe, maybe.

25:15

I like the mini but

25:18

I use the mini far more than

25:20

I use any other iPad but okay. Let's

25:23

see. Have we

25:26

covered all of the oh I forgot to

25:28

tell you your price Micah with

25:31

a terabyte $18.99. It

25:35

is. It's a laptop. It's a

25:37

expensive Windows laptop and

25:40

that's the 11 inch model. You

25:42

put in the 13 inch model it kind of goes up a

25:44

little bit more as well. $21.99. I

25:50

just put it in the chat. I paid

25:52

$25.99 for my last one. Yeah. You

25:55

know I should probably keep track of prices

25:58

and stuff. This is I think the same

26:00

price yes as the old

26:02

one was pretty close I believe it feels like

26:04

it's the same roughly the same price. So

26:09

Micah I have a question sorry Leo I know

26:11

you're boss but I have to ask a question

26:13

because you mentioned earlier you guys said that not

26:15

to get the nano you think that the regular

26:17

screen and paper like or something of

26:19

that nature is better? So

26:22

I the reason why I was

26:24

suggesting Leo not get the nano

26:26

texture display. He knows me because

26:28

that's why he knows. I

26:31

know Leo. That's what it is.

26:33

And B the

26:35

complaints that I've heard is that

26:37

you do see a drop in

26:39

brightness by doing that and

26:41

so for some people that's annoying even if

26:44

it means that there's less reflect you know

26:46

reflection but I

26:48

can't speak to the textural

26:50

differences. See the thing that

26:52

got me this morning and

26:55

again my eyes were still halfway focusing

26:57

when they talked about this stacked OLEDs.

27:00

Yeah. This time we're getting OLED that's

27:02

a difference it should be brighter it's

27:05

a thousand nits or stop

27:07

that stupid

27:09

reactions and then it also has so the

27:12

double you have the double paddle so that

27:14

just has me intrigued and normally I would

27:16

just be triggering now but now I think

27:18

I have to go in and see for

27:21

myself. Yeah. How does it how bright it

27:23

is because you're right as you as you

27:25

get what's the word we say now Leo

27:28

vintage brightness is the difference

27:32

you being able to see clearly or not

27:34

right. Yeah. I also yeah I had the liquid

27:41

paper on mine because Alex

27:43

told me to and it gives you a nice

27:45

texture with the pencil. I took it off because

27:48

I just I want the glass I like the

27:50

smooth glass. Now we'll see with the new pencil

27:52

we'll see it so you you'd like a little

27:54

texture on your on your screen doc.

27:57

Well only because you know they show

27:59

one of first things is like people taking actual

28:01

notes. When it comes to writing, it's glorious.

28:05

For everything else, it's irritating. And I wish

28:07

I could just clip it on like the

28:09

old grandpa says, clip

28:12

on the texture, write, and then take it back

28:14

off. Well, that is the advantage of

28:16

the screen. The screen cover is you could at least

28:18

remove it if you decide you don't like it. When

28:21

you buy the Nano screen, you got it. It's

28:23

yours. I

28:25

can't remember who it is, but somebody

28:27

has figured out how the outside

28:30

is a magnet. And so

28:34

or something like that, I'll have to send you

28:36

I'll find it and I'll tell you the whole

28:38

way around the whole perimeter. Yeah,

28:40

they basically make the outside the sticky part, but

28:43

it's not sticky. So you can have

28:45

a magnetic screen and then yeah, pull it

28:47

off after work. Because you remember the old

28:49

school CRT 3Ms? They were just clip on

28:52

right when you wanted the privacy screen or

28:54

the anti-glare. It was just a little frame.

28:58

We need more Velcro in a $2,000.

29:00

That's it. Thank you to

29:02

Mike in the chat. It's

29:05

from Astropad and it's called Rock Paper

29:07

Pencil. Oh, and yeah, it just goes

29:09

on the outside is where it connects

29:11

and then you can just take it

29:13

off. It's nano cling. It's not magnets.

29:17

Well nano cling is even better than...

29:19

I want to get from now new

29:21

from Saran Wrap Nano cling. Okay,

29:25

so is it just a cling? I don't

29:27

that seems like that's... I have one. You

29:29

do? I haven't installed it

29:31

though. So I can't talk about that. It's almost

29:33

been in a box for like a month now

29:35

because I bought it. I was like, Oh, this

29:38

is so cool. But yeah, I'll have to try

29:40

it and let you know. Nano

29:42

cling sounds like something that is sponsored

29:45

by the Mill Trimming Products. That's on

29:47

all the podcasts. I was thinking it

29:49

was sponsored by Charmin. Oh

29:52

God, you guys. You

29:55

mean... Okay. So it uses

29:57

static basically. It's stronger than

29:59

magnets, a leg of

30:01

ass or an astro pad huh

30:04

huh and they also have their own rock paper

30:07

pencil tip which looks like a

30:10

kit yeah yeah you can get

30:12

that with the kit if you'd like but

30:14

the problem is I have to this is

30:16

so stupid but I have to clean the

30:19

iPad screen first and I just I'm lazy so

30:21

I haven't done it yeah you want it perfect

30:23

don't you recommend you a

30:25

bottle of swoosh I

30:28

have swoosh I've got all the stuff I need

30:30

except for the desire to make it happen that's

30:32

funny how geeks converge

30:34

on a product it's just

30:37

odd like the neil patel said the

30:39

printer everybody has that nobody talks about

30:43

which is what is that is that brother brother

30:45

HL to something something yeah and then go ahead

30:47

you can bring me the swoosh and

30:51

then apparently we have without it's

30:54

like we all we all are menstrual cycles

30:56

have synchronized it we all have this

30:59

thing cleaners oh wait but

31:01

this is not a swoosh this is who know

31:03

he met with him I've met who's oh

31:05

good what a relief come on what a

31:07

relief I wouldn't want to be a product

31:11

called swoosh I

31:13

never heard of which but apparently our team does

31:16

oh man it tastes really good with

31:18

a single malt I'm joking I do not

31:21

drink your whoosh all

31:23

right let's take a little break we have lots more to

31:25

talk about it'll go to the 11-inch we'll talk about

31:27

the new pro pencil

31:29

take the break I'll clean my iPad

31:32

screen put this close that's nano cling on it

31:34

put your put your whoo you

31:36

should do spontaneously and in a rush

31:38

yeah absolutely absolutely any

31:40

of that goes here Jason

31:42

Snell is somewhere

31:46

I think he's getting a briefing don't know about Alex

31:48

though I think Alex just got a job we

31:51

don't know was he at was the office

31:53

hours earlier I don't know always till it

31:56

I can make it and I was I

31:58

didn't want to push it on No,

32:00

don't push. No, no. Just like, oh,

32:02

wait. Never push because that gives us a chance to have Micah

32:04

and Doc on. I'm happy about it. Doc Rock

32:06

is here. We're very

32:08

happy to have him and, of course, Micah

32:10

Sargent, who joined me this morning, early

32:14

this morning to... it wasn't

32:16

early for anybody but us and Doc Rock.

32:18

It was really early for Doc Rock. Here

32:22

is iJustine, has

32:25

already posted her first

32:27

look at the M4

32:29

iPad Pro with the nano

32:32

texture display. She's talking

32:34

to a Zippo lighter. I'm not sure why that is,

32:36

but anyway. Apple Pencil. Let's check them

32:38

out. Here is the new iPad. If you see

32:40

smell in there. With the matte display. I'm so

32:42

excited about this. As you can see, there's

32:44

so much... So that's interesting. So even though it

32:46

was a viewing party... We now come in two

32:48

different sizes. They did invite

32:50

some... ...game journalists to

32:52

an event somewhere. This

32:55

might have been before. I wonder if this was

32:57

yesterday. No, no, it was today. It

33:00

was today? Because they posted... Andrew and

33:02

iPhone... They posted pictures. They

33:04

were all together. Okay. Okay.

33:08

I'm so good. There's

33:11

a little event. This might be... I think

33:13

they were doing an event in New York. I bet you this is

33:15

New York, not Cupertino. But I don't know.

33:19

I can't wait to see that tandem OLED

33:21

display. That's going to be interesting.

33:23

So Micah and I did both order. You're getting

33:25

yours Wednesday, Micah? Is that right? Yes,

33:28

it is coming on the 15th as well. Micah

33:30

will have the 11 inch. I will

33:32

have the 13 inch. We

33:34

both got the pencil. I got the keyboard. Did you

33:37

get the keyboard or no? Yeah,

33:39

it'll be a full dealie, Bob. The

33:41

whole package. Yeah, the whole

33:43

kit and caboodle. Oh, kit and caboodle. Awesome.

33:48

Awesome. We will have that review for you probably on

33:50

Ask the Tech Guys. It'll be the first time we'll

33:53

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33:55

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is a big difference and I think when

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you add that all up, you're

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getting more. Let's talk about the M4. This

38:08

was German's big scoop a couple of weeks

38:11

ago. Nobody believed

38:13

it. Everybody thought, what? The first

38:15

product with the M4 is going to be

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an iPad Pro? Well

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it happened. We don't know much about the

38:22

M4 at this point. People

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alluded to the fact that it's on the new

38:27

TSMC 3 nanometer node,

38:31

which I think this is the 3NE

38:33

node. In theory, it would

38:36

be an improvement in

38:38

performance. They're

38:42

saying it 2X performance over the

38:44

previous generation. A

38:46

lot of that with the iPads,

38:48

it's weird though because they've always been overpowered

38:50

for what they do. By

38:53

the way, Andy, it wasn't in fact over

38:55

the previous generation. It was over two generations

38:58

ago, which I thought was kind of cheesy

39:00

of Apple. Yeah, the comparison. You see how

39:02

that stuck in your head though? It's twice

39:04

as fast. It's not twice as fast as

39:06

the previous one. I

39:09

did note that they wanted a snow that

39:11

was ten times faster than the original iPad

39:13

Pro. Yeah, that is meaningless. The

39:17

one with the home button and the thick bezels? Okay.

39:21

Well, but the other thing, honestly,

39:23

to be fair, I

39:25

have an M1 iPad Pro. Does

39:30

anybody feel like that was too

39:32

slow or didn't perform well enough?

39:34

I don't think so. It's

39:38

weird because the iPad Pro, there's a

39:40

thick wall between two kinds of users.

39:42

There are a handful of users that

39:44

use it for really intensive productivity stuff.

39:47

I'm talking about video editing and I'm

39:50

talking about really intense

39:52

kind of art creation. There's

39:54

the rest of us that are

39:56

buying this because, again, they wish they had

39:59

a MacBook. that had a tablet

40:01

style MacBook or something with a touchscreen or something

40:03

they could use a pencil for when there you

40:05

just take notes and stuff. And yeah, it's seriously

40:08

overpowered for, it's always been seriously overpowered for what

40:10

most people use it for. So again,

40:12

it's nice. We have to

40:15

remind ourselves and everybody that just because it's an M4 is

40:17

not though, oh,

40:19

well that may just too bad in the

40:21

M2, isn't it? It's like, no, it's

40:23

just like the next generation of processors. We can have slow, you

40:26

can have a slow M4, you can have a super fast M4.

40:28

The fact that you're going to see

40:30

an M4 and a desktop later on this

40:32

year doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to

40:34

have the same performance, the same capabilities, but

40:36

they really, it's interesting that they

40:39

decided to use this not

40:41

just as a rollout for the M4,

40:43

but also to start promoting it as

40:45

like the next generation of Apple Silicon,

40:47

given that it's really hard

40:50

to come up with stuff to really show it

40:52

off for. They did mention things like being

40:54

in Final Cut and being able to isolate like

40:56

a dancing figure and put on a new background

40:58

just by touching one button and there are other

41:00

parts in a demo like that, but that's not

41:03

a whole lot of people are saying, gee, I really,

41:05

really wish I could do that kind of pro level

41:07

editing on an iPad. There are a lot of people

41:09

that are saying, well, I'm going to spend that much

41:11

money and get again a Windows Notebook. They'll do a

41:13

lot of the same things for it. They

41:15

did show though at the

41:17

rock climbing wall, people shooting

41:20

and then editing video with Final Cut. They

41:22

have updated Final Cut Pro too for this.

41:25

They clearly think that that's a market.

41:29

To be fair, they know who's buying these things and

41:31

they know that that's why they

41:33

keep the iPad Air is like so vibrant.

41:35

There are people who want that extra level

41:37

of performance, extra push over the cliff and

41:40

there are the other people who are just using it

41:42

to take notes in class, watch videos, play games. There's

41:44

also a call out for the gaming capabilities

41:46

of this thing with what the

41:48

M4 and the other capabilities would let you do.

41:50

So I think that but they kept that to

41:53

the iPad Air section of the talk and it

41:55

kept the iPad Pro for Final Cut. Yeah.

42:00

Gieserner says, I can't wait to see how

42:02

much faster I can write in Scrivner on

42:04

my new iPad Pro. It's

42:07

funny when a lot of

42:09

the conversation around the pro or the not pro

42:11

is always about productivity. The people don't talk about

42:13

what type of productivity you're doing. If

42:16

you're doing everything in Notion or

42:19

Evernote or something of that nature,

42:21

then yeah, maybe it doesn't matter. But

42:24

if your productivity is based

42:26

around SketchUp or they

42:28

showed... Not Blender, they showed ZBrush, some

42:31

other things like that, those all count.

42:33

Those all count and they do actually

42:36

tax pretty hard. If you're a logic

42:38

person and you're running pretty heavy logic

42:40

action, which a lot as an ex-DJ,

42:42

I would tell you a lot of

42:44

music people use iPads, what

42:47

happens, the general tech

42:49

person in our circle and

42:51

the general, the YouTuber, also

42:53

my circle, they always talk about

42:55

it like the way it matches them. People

42:58

forget about Bechtel who's doing civil

43:00

engineering and their iPads are running

43:03

really high level tests. People

43:05

forget about all the restaurants, which

43:08

is why you want 128 gigabyte bottle because all

43:11

they do is use them for retail. And they

43:13

run one app and one app only. People

43:16

forget about education, healthcare, occupational

43:19

therapy, all the things that you use

43:21

an iPad for other than you just

43:23

use it to watch Netflix. And I

43:25

get that and knock yourself out player.

43:28

Don't be like Apple doesn't have the knowledge

43:30

of who they're selling to when they make

43:32

these devices and it cracks me up every

43:34

time because people always have these weird hot

43:36

takes. And one

43:39

of the ones was, why put the

43:41

M4 in this first? Wow, what a

43:43

great test bed where you're less likely

43:45

to have full scale meltdown is in

43:48

iPads and collect all the

43:50

data and then make adjustments and then get

43:52

ready for it to end up in what

43:54

will probably be the air next or the

43:56

MacBook Pros that we'll probably see in the

43:59

middle of June. Well, that's going to be a

44:01

challenge for them because they have Mac. They

44:04

have M threes to put out still. I

44:07

mean, are you going to get, they skipped

44:09

them three with this. Do you think they're just going to

44:11

skip M three entirely for the rest of the line? There

44:13

won't be an M three iMac. There won't be an M three

44:15

mini. There won't be an M three Mac

44:17

pro. They'll just go right to four everywhere. Yeah.

44:20

This studio right here needs, needs a ball

44:22

pin. So like I'm assuming, you know, it

44:24

just hit his second birthday. Happy birthday. It'd

44:26

be hard to sell an M three Mac

44:28

studio. Wouldn't it? Yeah.

44:31

So you have to go to M four. Yeah. Like now

44:33

that I know this exists when they told me, Hey, here's

44:35

a brand new M three max studio, I'll be like, what

44:37

are you talking about with this? And

44:41

so it could just be pure nomenclature. Maybe

44:43

it doesn't have to do anything, but like

44:46

now it has to be an M four

44:48

M five max studio, I definitely don't want

44:50

M train. Sorry. Well, the other

44:52

thing is it's going to be very hard to

44:54

run the traditional industry benchmarks on an iPad. So,

44:58

you know, we may not, this may be a chance

45:00

for Apple to release the M four without

45:02

getting a whole bunch of information. I

45:05

mean, I, I hope a non-tech can somehow

45:08

do something with his M four to find

45:10

out what's really going on. Is it just,

45:13

there it is. Is it just a, uh,

45:15

and, uh, the new three nanometer, neater

45:18

node and M three. It

45:20

doesn't, it seems like it's got

45:22

the same basic features.

45:25

Yes. Um,

45:27

well, the neural engine is again, they spent a

45:29

lot of time trying to convince us that this

45:32

was something brand new and something really revolutionary. And

45:34

I think 38 top was the same number for

45:36

the M three. I don't know. Um,

45:39

I don't know. The one that strikes me is

45:41

the, is the 120 gigabytes

45:44

per second unified memory. Like

45:46

this is quick. Yeah. Yeah.

45:49

Let me, let me look here. This is the M

45:51

three max. So that's 12 core. Um,

45:59

yeah, I mean, I guess it's not. I

46:01

guess it's the next one. I

46:04

don't know. I don't know. We

46:07

have to really get our hands on these before

46:09

we can know what's going on. I mean,

46:11

it's hard to... I mean, everything is a hot

46:13

take, like two hours after the announcement. Right.

46:17

But it's like I actually... I did take down the

46:19

quote because it was a very stick out your neck

46:21

sort of thing. They're saying that about

46:24

the M4's neural engine, more powerful

46:26

than any neural processing unit in

46:28

any PC today, which sounds like...

46:31

Yeah, have some surf for those waffles.

46:33

But nonetheless, that is at least... If

46:35

they're trying to say something about whether it's the state of the art in

46:37

May of 2024, it's kind of... It's

46:40

an ambitious statement. We'll see

46:42

if it holds up when people start tearing this thing

46:44

down. I mean, I'll be honest. I'm just buying it

46:46

for the tandem OLED display. And

46:50

Scooter mentioned something that I also mentioned in my person...

46:52

I was yelling at somebody with the hot takes. They're

46:54

like, well, I can't... I was like, you know that

46:57

we were running this stuff on iOS and iPad

46:59

devices before it made it to the max, like

47:01

in October 2020, right? And

47:04

of course, dead silence after that. But

47:07

yeah, we got to where we are

47:09

in the computers because of iPads. All

47:11

right. So here's some numbers from Anand

47:13

Tech. The

47:16

A17 is 35 tops,

47:18

35 trillion operations per second.

47:23

The M3 is actually considerably

47:25

slower, 18 trillion operations

47:27

per second. So when Apple says

47:30

38 trillion operations per second, that

47:33

is a big jump from M2 and M3.

47:37

And so maybe this really is Apple's

47:40

AI chip that's all in the neural

47:42

engine. Also, it's going to

47:44

have to be. Especially where

47:46

AI is concerned, we're not talking about features that

47:48

are going to see the light of day even

47:50

this year. I mean, okay, we don't know what

47:52

Apple is going to be announcing in June. So

47:54

we don't know what we're going to be seeing

47:56

in the new iPadOS. But yeah,

47:58

if people are going to be starting... It's going to be

48:01

expected to get three, five, six years out of this

48:03

device. They're going to have to be able to

48:05

run those AI models that Apple is planning for three years from

48:07

now. So this could see

48:09

headroom that's quickly going to be consumed

48:11

because ambition requires headroom.

48:14

Can I do pedantic pushback? Pedantic

48:17

pushback please. Apple has

48:19

been running AI on phones for quite a

48:21

long time. All of that stuff that's happening

48:23

to your pictures and all of that, that's

48:25

still considered AI. So we're

48:28

going to be using Gen AI or LLMs and

48:30

we're going to specify which to specify because honestly

48:32

they've been doing AI-oriented stuff on these tips for

48:34

quite a long time. Yeah, but

48:37

LLMs and stuff that Apple's pursuing and

48:39

Google's pursuing and Microsoft's pursuing, it has

48:41

a lot more like ram overhead. You

48:44

really... It really... And

48:46

again, Apple, it looks like Apple is going

48:48

to be pushing their advantage that, hey, we're

48:50

trying... We're going to be

48:52

a privacy-oriented approach to AI.

48:54

We're going to do as much on device

48:56

as possible. There was

48:59

a new rumor today or yesterday that they're designing

49:02

chips for

49:04

compute plants, but it looks like

49:06

they're trying to keep this as personal, as private as

49:08

possible. If so, machine language models are

49:11

not... Machine learning models are going to be

49:13

okay for photos. They're not going to

49:15

be okay for... Here's a

49:17

thousand emails. Tell me... Give

49:19

me a record of all the appointments I've got related to this

49:21

project in the next three weeks. I

49:23

was thinking of telling us in the Discord

49:26

that the Intel Ultra chips are 11 trillion

49:30

operations per second. So

49:32

what is a big job at that 30... What

49:34

I'm going to add, Andy, sorry, is that when you

49:36

take a photo and it fixes the photo, you take a

49:39

photo in the dark and it fixes the photo, that is

49:41

AI. I mean, it's a little

49:43

bit of neural and machine learning. But because

49:45

somebody in the chat goes, what assistance do

49:47

they have? AI doesn't mean assistant. AI is...

49:50

That's what I'm saying. We should

49:52

specify if we mean agents or

49:55

LLMs or what everybody considers chat

49:57

GPT. I

49:59

just want to remind... everybody that your I've always been fixing

50:01

those photos since I think like 10 oh

50:03

yeah maybe 11 yeah but you can now do more look what they did you

50:05

see what

50:10

they showed with the final cut with him

50:12

in a moving movie they were able to

50:15

drop the background out in real time so

50:18

beautiful yeah I hope that's really it's you're

50:21

right it is over look up the

50:23

fact that Apple hasn't anything flashy in

50:25

the last two years with this again

50:28

which with a technology that was kind

50:30

of premature and that Google really left

50:32

the took the took put

50:34

the satellite and wrote it hard only after

50:36

they saw a competition from open AI this

50:38

is really premature technology it shouldn't really be

50:41

used as consumer level product

50:43

just yet but realize

50:45

that the AI or the machine

50:47

learning that's being used in in photo

50:49

processing is tuned for photo processing and they

50:51

can't really they can't just the CPUs

50:54

that they made the Apple silicon they

50:56

made to print to handle those kind

50:58

of tasks are not necessarily going to

51:00

be okay for the stuff that people

51:02

might be expecting as the table stakes

51:04

features and any desktop or mobile operating

51:06

system going forward early on in the

51:08

presentation today Tim Cook did say we

51:10

have been doing machine

51:12

learning in our chips law you know for a

51:15

long time like that you want to make sure

51:17

that everyone understood and it's really true I've

51:19

said it many times that Apple's put neural processing

51:21

units in its chips for

51:24

several years right the I

51:26

can't remember which the first iPhone chip was

51:28

to have it but it's been around for

51:30

a long time so they in that respect

51:32

they have a lead in AI they've been

51:34

doing AI hardware for a long time Intel

51:36

is just putting what

51:38

they call NPUs into

51:40

into their processors Qualcomm's

51:42

new Snapdragon elites are

51:45

gonna have NPUs and

51:47

Microsoft's all excited about this NPU but Apple's been

51:49

doing it for a long time they're kind of

51:52

well settled in on this I think

51:54

that there are the others go ahead Micah I

51:57

was just gonna say well it is true yes

51:59

absolutely And Apple likes to make it very clear

52:01

that they've been doing AI that

52:04

they lovingly have called machine learning for

52:06

so long. And that's why they've got

52:08

CoreML baked into the various

52:11

operating systems. But I

52:14

hear that refrain a lot

52:16

from people who are champions

52:19

of Apple. And while

52:22

it is true they've been doing machine learning for

52:24

a long time, I don't think it matters in

52:28

the scheme of things in the sense that

52:30

what people are talking about when it

52:32

comes to what they are expecting Apple

52:35

to do, which is a

52:38

heavy focus on generative AI. And

52:40

the other companies are much further

52:42

ahead in at the

52:44

very least having products and features

52:47

available to market that

52:50

are generative AI features. So we can say

52:52

that Apple has been doing this forever. But

52:56

in the grand scheme of things, that

52:58

just doesn't matter because until we see

53:00

this generative AI, we haven't seen

53:02

them do generative AI. That's got to happen.

53:05

But the general people don't know to specify it. So

53:09

it sounds disingenuous, but yes. That's

53:14

why we should talk about features

53:16

and not core technologies. Like

53:19

just the simple, even if we

53:21

limit things to photo editing, just

53:23

the simple ability to recognize an

53:25

object in a flat field

53:27

of pixels, that is an immense

53:29

power lever. That

53:31

is the ability to simply say, I

53:33

just want these changes to affect this

53:35

person holding the baseball bat in the

53:37

foreground and not any other people who

53:39

are in baseball uniforms in the background.

53:42

And then I can adjust the slider however I want.

53:44

That is huge. And

53:48

I often judge the impact of

53:50

a feature by people who

53:52

ask me, hey, how

53:54

is your phone doing that? And

53:56

sometimes it'll happen on an iPhone. Sometimes it'll happen

53:59

on my Pixel phone. And one

54:01

of the most revolutionary features

54:03

to succeed there was

54:05

just the ability on the first

54:07

generation of pixels I could say, oh, by the way, I

54:10

really wish that that dog weren't taking a leak against

54:12

that tree in the background, that photo of my kid

54:15

at the park. Oh, well, that's okay.

54:17

Just circle it and just simply click erase. And

54:19

suddenly that dog ain't there no more. And

54:22

it will just, and not just simply blurring

54:24

it out and identifying the outline of the

54:26

shape, but also real guys, but okay, there's

54:28

grass behind him. There's a tree in front

54:30

of him. That's how you fill

54:32

that sort of thing out. So yeah, people

54:35

aren't interested in knowing what kind of neural engine

54:37

it has, what the performance

54:40

is, what models it's running. They do

54:42

care when all of a sudden, like

54:44

in the WhatsApp chat

54:47

for the family, all of

54:49

your pictures look awesome, like

54:51

10 minutes after the cookout and everybody else's

54:54

pictures are like, bleh. That's

54:57

the revenge of the green bubble

55:00

right there. The other shoe is

55:02

still to drop because we

55:04

haven't heard anything about iPadOS 18. And

55:07

all of that's going to be next month, months from

55:09

now at WWDC, iOS 18 and iPadOS And

55:13

all the rumors are that these are going to

55:15

be heavily AI focused. What I would say is,

55:19

you know, you're absolutely right, Andy, people look at the

55:21

features, people look at what you can do. I

55:24

still think though that we are right on

55:26

the cusp of

55:28

these little chat AI bots, these LLM

55:30

things, which are pretty much toys

55:32

at this point. We are on the cusp

55:35

of truly intelligent

55:37

assistants. And

55:39

I think Apple would, I think Apple

55:41

knows that they certainly got the research

55:43

team working on it, but they

55:45

haven't said anything about it. I think they want to

55:47

be there when that happens. I don't know if they

55:49

want to be there with Siri or something else. Apple's

55:52

Gemini just replaced for me, and I

55:54

bet for you too, Andy, on your

55:56

Pixel, the Google Assistant.

56:00

Gemini if you want you don't have to and

56:03

that's a big step up and I think

56:05

we're I really think we're just I don't

56:09

months maybe a year away from true AI

56:11

assistance and I think that's when I

56:15

every time I buy an iPad I'm

56:18

buying it for the future I'm so

56:20

far completely disappointed but

56:25

I always buy into the idea

56:27

the future is very disappointing yeah

56:29

there we are but

56:31

I always find it the apples proposal that

56:35

we are making state-of-the-art hardware

56:37

for shooting the puck where

56:39

it's going you know we're trying to get

56:41

ahead of the game yeah they've yet to

56:43

come I mean maybe this new final cut

56:45

and logic will will start to make that

56:47

a reality it's not entirely their fault because

56:49

developers have to follow suit

56:51

procreate I noticed they really pushed

56:53

procreate through this whole thing starting

56:56

with the invitation I imagine they're doing something

56:58

interesting with a new pencil but the developers

57:00

have to come up with this maybe

57:03

they have to make some changes to iPad

57:05

OS that make it more like a desktop

57:08

operating system file a file system would be

57:10

nice accessible

57:12

well yeah I mean this could be this

57:14

is where this is the best cycle for

57:16

any new technology the hype cycle right

57:19

because we can because we can basically be hopeful with

57:21

because it's going to take a while for actual results

57:23

to come in but this could be as big a

57:26

revolution as the graphical user interface that

57:28

before everything you did was typed on a command

57:30

line you had a no command you couldn't just

57:32

see what you wanted to do and click on

57:34

it and that totally changed

57:37

everything and I hope the

57:39

part of an upcoming revolution

57:41

is kind of like the

57:43

diminishing of the of the dominance of

57:45

apps just as a construct the ability

57:47

to having the ability of an assistant

57:50

that's so intelligent that you can do

57:52

things like like every time that

57:54

I usually spend the morning before each show going

57:57

through all the bookmarks of news items that

57:59

I've bookmarked and things I've taken notes on and

58:01

things that I've jotted down here and there.

58:04

And I have to look through all this source stuff

58:06

and I figure out what do I want to contribute

58:08

to the show doc, what it's going to be, what

58:10

turned out to be kind of nothing. And that takes

58:12

me an amount of time. But across three or four

58:15

different apps, imagine the ability to simply wake up, check

58:18

to make sure I did not sleep until 1.30

58:20

in the afternoon or half before the show, make

58:22

sure there's no construction noise that's driving me to

58:25

a public library instead of my office, and

58:27

then simply summarize all of my notes

58:29

and all of my Mac and Apple related news and

58:32

put it inside a Google doc so I can take a look at

58:35

it in the next 20 minutes. And

58:37

again, not necessarily doing it all on its

58:39

own, but knowing what apps are going to

58:41

manage that, knowing what databases, all that stuff

58:44

is in there so that I never

58:46

actually have to float through all

58:48

those apps I used to create that content. And it can

58:50

do that for me. And Andy, what device do you think

58:53

it's most likely to do that on? Probably

58:57

a mobile device, probably a

59:00

phone device. I mean, the AI

59:04

assistant hardware pins and little cute little rapid

59:06

devices, they're abject failures right now. I don't

59:08

think they're necessary, so I think that's something

59:10

that can be handled by a phone. But

59:13

the idea of having a very, very personal

59:15

item that is not just like this floating

59:17

thing that I have to have my laptop

59:19

in front of me or connect to the

59:21

cloud, that this is something that is on

59:24

my purse and at all times is the first thing I pick up and take a look

59:26

at. It's the thing that wakes me up in the morning. It

59:29

seems like that's the most appropriate device

59:31

to run a model like that on, even

59:34

if it's connecting to the cloud. Because as

59:37

much as I don't like the idea of personifying

59:40

a technology, I think

59:43

that when you have an industrial

59:45

robot that everyone's trying to

59:48

make right now, the Boston robotics

59:52

got kind of in Dutch because they had the new

59:54

version of their Atlas robot and the face, quote unquote,

59:56

is just like a circle. And I'm saying, yes, do

59:58

not put a human face on this Do not let

1:00:00

us do not let us form an

1:00:02

emotional attachment to these things But the ability to

1:00:04

simply say this is something that is part of

1:00:06

my daily carry. It's something that's familiar with me

1:00:08

I've customized it with my own case I have

1:00:10

my own wallpaper on it and I can infuse

1:00:12

a certain amount of trust in it that when

1:00:14

I ask it to do something For me it

1:00:16

knows what I want. It knows my habits It

1:00:18

knows what the intent of this command is not

1:00:20

just the function It seems like a very

1:00:22

very appropriate place for that to happen and maybe it'll

1:00:24

set it to the iPad for reading You know, maybe

1:00:26

it won't I don't know. Yeah, maybe that's

1:00:31

Continuity is one of the best technologies Apple has

1:00:33

ever come up with and back

1:00:35

when we thought that oh wow Isn't that nice?

1:00:37

I can be I can continue reading a Safari

1:00:40

or Safari a page

1:00:42

on my desktop But no, the ability

1:00:44

that this is one you have one

1:00:46

big sticky ball of rice that consists

1:00:49

of all of your Apple stuff Right

1:00:51

now I've got only the

1:00:53

idea of having a two-screen set up for

1:00:55

this podcast Like five years ago would

1:00:57

have been just such overkill

1:01:00

and so ridiculous But as

1:01:02

I again realized that I found out that I

1:01:04

wasn't gonna be able to use my home office

1:01:07

45 minutes before the show and so

1:01:09

I just grabbed where I needed put my

1:01:12

bag But the fact that I grabbed my

1:01:14

iPad Pro means that I just got can

1:01:16

simply use that as a second screen That

1:01:18

is extra value So yeah That is something

1:01:20

that Apple could contribute by distributing the AI

1:01:22

load across multiple different devices and it's what

1:01:24

it's one of the reasons why I'm very

1:01:26

very pleased with my As

1:01:28

much as I can rail against Apple's

1:01:31

lock-in on so many of these topics we talked

1:01:33

about That's one of the

1:01:35

big paybacks. You're making a good

1:01:37

transaction there. I'm giving up control over my

1:01:39

hardware However, it's doing stuff that only one

1:01:42

unified manufacturer and offering system creator can

1:01:44

actually create So yeah, maybe Apple is

1:01:46

in a position where they could do

1:01:48

things with AI through continuity that That

1:01:52

Google really can't match that Microsoft really

1:01:54

can't match German obviously knew something because

1:01:56

in his Sunday Power on

1:01:59

newsletter his headline Apple's new iPad

1:02:01

Pro should turn device into true

1:02:03

laptop replacement and I think he

1:02:05

kind of nailed the message

1:02:08

of this morning's announced. We're gonna take a little break when we

1:02:10

come back. Let's talk about Apple's Pro

1:02:12

Pencil and the new features they're

1:02:15

on. You're watching Mac Break Weekly with

1:02:19

three great people. Jason Snell is

1:02:21

missing in action probably in Cupertino.

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Alex Lindsay we don't know where he is but

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good news Doc Rock sitting in. Great

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to have you in the Jason Snell seat

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right, so Pencil Yes,

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we're going to the pencil. We didn't talk

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about the thinness of the iPad Pro Yeah,

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the thinnest iPad fact the apples are the

1:05:33

thinnest device we've ever made period so it's

1:05:36

so it's thinner and lighter than the air

1:05:41

Yes, that's that's confusing but okay, that's that's

1:05:43

something you may have a chortle about but

1:05:45

then move on about it's like I'm I

1:05:47

I hope I'm looking

1:05:49

forward to holding it and seeing if it

1:05:52

feels thinner and it feels lighter I think

1:05:54

it's I think it's like a quarter pound

1:05:56

lighter 1.28 pounds for the inch,

1:06:00

5 millimeters thick which

1:06:02

is pretty thin. That's

1:06:05

suspiciously thin. That's like, I

1:06:08

mean, I would love it

1:06:10

if they did say during

1:06:12

the event that, hey, it's

1:06:14

just as durable as the

1:06:16

previous generation. Yeah, don't bend.

1:06:19

Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like I'm

1:06:21

just, I've had my pro

1:06:23

for what, two or three years now.

1:06:25

I'm just now sort of okay with

1:06:27

the idea of having it in an

1:06:30

overstuffed laptop bag and not being concerned that's going

1:06:32

to bend because I've got like a whole bunch of

1:06:34

books and a bunch of other stuff in it. You

1:06:37

make that even thinner and I have

1:06:39

to admit that I would be waiting. I'm going to wait.

1:06:42

If I were considering upgrading, I'd be

1:06:44

waiting three or four months to find

1:06:47

out are these things going wibbly wobbly

1:06:49

after like a month in people's bags

1:06:51

because it doesn't matter if

1:06:53

it only bent a little bit and it doesn't

1:06:55

affect performance. The first time you put

1:06:57

that on a table and it goes, digga digga, digga

1:07:00

digga digga, the first time you put it down,

1:07:02

you see a tiny little curve and it's like

1:07:04

when you buy a record, it's

1:07:06

either flat or it's not flat and

1:07:08

if it's not flat, you're unhappy. Yeah,

1:07:10

you call it thin gate, Doc Rock. Yeah,

1:07:13

I was like, I'm just waiting for somebody

1:07:15

to come out. People

1:07:17

are always gating something so now we're going to

1:07:19

be on thin gate. Oh, it's fun, Doc. YouTuber

1:07:22

will bend it. We know that. Don't

1:07:24

do this. That's silly. So that's how you know Andy.

1:07:26

All I did was sit on it. I

1:07:29

can't believe a $1500 tablet you

1:07:31

can't sit on. What's Apple playing at? Well,

1:07:33

here's the thing that's crazy, Andy. The

1:07:36

13 inch is thinner than the

1:07:39

11 inch and I'm

1:07:41

like, mama say what? That's

1:07:43

crazy. Well, it's got more space. You could spread

1:07:46

the components out. Honestly,

1:07:49

this is Apple capitalizing on the fact that

1:07:51

the M4, like all the Apple Silicon,

1:07:54

is a system on a chip. Everything's in there. Yeah.

1:07:57

So it can be. I'm sure the die isn't very thick. You've

1:08:00

got the memory in there. You got everything in there Well

1:08:04

everything everything except for headphone jack. Yeah,

1:08:06

this is still I will I will simply

1:08:08

note it and move on but now now

1:08:10

with The discontinuation of the previous iPad nothing

1:08:12

this it's not only not only that will

1:08:14

get rid of all lightning Jacks

1:08:16

not only did they get rid of all like

1:08:19

home buttons But now there are no more iPads

1:08:21

that have headphone jacks I think that's that's

1:08:23

disappointing because it's still a super super useful thing to

1:08:26

have but at least now they can say that well

1:08:28

Look, it's not there is it's not thin. It's not

1:08:30

thick enough to support a headphone jack So maybe I'll

1:08:32

give them a mulligan on that but

1:08:34

yeah, it's it's I again I can't wait to

1:08:36

get my hands on it if it does this

1:08:38

the thing is like I The

1:08:42

obvious take would be especially on a 13-inch Tablet

1:08:45

that you're probably not gonna be spending a

1:08:47

whole lot of time like lifting it like holding

1:08:49

it in two hands as opposed to lift Resting

1:08:51

on something but some people do and

1:08:53

even if you're standing up and taking notes with it Or even

1:08:55

if you've got the bottom of it leaned against the table and

1:08:57

you're taking notes on it there's something about

1:09:00

the hand feel of a device that is

1:09:03

it's such a big contributor to the pleasure that

1:09:05

you take in using it and I've

1:09:08

never noticed that the my iPad

1:09:10

Pro is particularly chunky But

1:09:12

if it's thin enough to make me notice

1:09:14

that wow This is a more pleasant experience

1:09:16

or to sort of telegraph that. Wow, this

1:09:19

really is a premium product They could have they they

1:09:22

the cheaper version of this or God forbid

1:09:24

an Android tablet From Samsung

1:09:26

is much thicker and much it's easy to

1:09:28

manipulate, but it doesn't feel like a premium

1:09:30

object That's part of the entire

1:09:32

sum total. It makes something into a pro the

1:09:34

idea that from top to bottom soup to nuts

1:09:37

This is a premium product and we does make

1:09:39

you wonder what the air what air means if

1:09:41

it's heavier Heavier

1:09:49

what are they talking about? Yeah, it just

1:09:51

means fresh air fresh air reason and

1:09:54

of course everybody's are losing it over

1:09:56

the colors of the air and Again,

1:10:00

like, you know, they're trying to... Not in a

1:10:02

good way, by the way. They don't like the

1:10:05

colors of me. Nobody likes the colors. But trust

1:10:07

me, I want to just make these decisions. There

1:10:09

was some thought into it. And at the end

1:10:11

of the day, I know that my pro has

1:10:14

been in the skin since the

1:10:16

day I got it. And,

1:10:18

you know, it's 40. What

1:10:20

do people like about the colors? You're too washed out? Is

1:10:22

that it? Yeah, that

1:10:25

color purple is just kind

1:10:27

of... Well, it's purple on

1:10:29

the screen, but the actual color is more...

1:10:32

His royal badness would not approve of that use

1:10:34

of that word. Yeah. Me

1:10:36

neither, because I was very disappointed with my

1:10:38

purple iPhone, because it was cool for

1:10:41

like a second. And then it was. Don't

1:10:43

these look exactly like the previous

1:10:45

models of the iPad Pro? I

1:10:49

mean, I think they basically use...

1:10:51

It's Breath of Lavender. Breath of... Breath

1:10:54

of Lavender. Breath of Lavender. That

1:11:00

sounds like when I'm packing for like a

1:11:02

10-day destination wedding on my mood board. Like,

1:11:04

okay, Tuesday, our theme is Breath of Lavender.

1:11:06

So pretty though. I don't need the coolant.

1:11:08

I don't need the coolant. I need the

1:11:11

coolant. You don't want it saturated. I think

1:11:13

that would be... No. Some

1:11:15

people do. It's the air. It's the... Have

1:11:18

you seen the IMAX? They're rich

1:11:20

in color. They're beautiful. Yeah.

1:11:23

Yeah. And I agree with you.

1:11:25

It's a $29-salve, bro. D-brand

1:11:28

skin. Slap it on there or some

1:11:30

other brand skin. True. They're

1:11:32

gorgeous. It's work. Yeah.

1:11:34

Put a D-brand on it. Yeah. Another

1:11:37

ad for something that we don't get any money

1:11:39

for. I

1:11:42

feel like all of us tech people have

1:11:44

it though, just because we're likely to resell

1:11:46

our gear. I do not have any D-brand

1:11:48

on mine. I have... Really? I

1:11:51

use a different company, but I mean, all the same. Just

1:11:53

pick one. No. My

1:11:56

Neighbor is a car-wrapped guy, so I can literally just take it

1:11:58

over there and be like, wrap my iPad. He

1:12:00

can visit hard to wrap on those and those

1:12:02

things as they know that the type of three

1:12:05

am it is. you just put it on and

1:12:07

then you hit it with a little hair dryer

1:12:09

and and oh it's ringside as a slinky as

1:12:11

rain saw it on and so you're as as

1:12:13

as duel in or open to the public blade.

1:12:16

It's just enough that I got one scratch on

1:12:18

a high bad years ago and a like never

1:12:20

again sub always is with the thinnest govern it

1:12:22

has been to their normal, probably resell it. Ah,

1:12:26

Or i well I better go look for skin

1:12:28

and they have like cool looking. Skin.

1:12:31

You seem minor my I may or

1:12:33

my Macbook Air Members has entered skin

1:12:35

on it for the Army Air Space

1:12:37

Suit. Spy. Now. Said

1:12:41

emerald on my buddy and

1:12:43

and cycling ascribing says residents

1:12:45

of against a Smell like

1:12:47

you say it off his

1:12:49

skin. says. Siskin.

1:12:53

He. Added that the throughput most common

1:12:55

ones are fist in be brand

1:12:57

ends as like ramp. But anyway

1:12:59

there are as three Am semitism

1:13:01

three absolutely craps that. so did

1:13:03

my liquor. And while you're good

1:13:05

see he knows them all. And.

1:13:08

End. But there is no difference really in

1:13:10

the. Incessant zero

1:13:12

look. These are pretty that they have all sorts

1:13:15

of. Is yours looks really

1:13:17

cool? My. Second on razr of

1:13:19

for a he was used as exists and

1:13:21

I'm I want to have you known as

1:13:23

it or him and his face on the

1:13:25

bathroom is no idea that I found that

1:13:27

annoying to but the retro line it's all

1:13:29

the way down the bottom on the right.

1:13:32

There. The retro up up one. From.

1:13:34

Anniversary a Go. To. The

1:13:37

right retro. He. Almost had

1:13:39

any my address or less his.

1:13:42

This. Looks

1:13:45

like an old manager for I've got one

1:13:47

for my bad nothing. ah nine mb apple

1:13:50

pencil actually which is kinda fun. The

1:13:52

Raptor movie directed all while in my like

1:13:54

about i don't know theater company to this.

1:13:56

They probably do the one I like but

1:13:59

Slick wraps his. If you mess up

1:14:01

gag, give them a message and let them know

1:14:03

and I'll send you another one for free. I

1:14:05

don't know. I go admitted Adelson and. Do.

1:14:08

Actually hit it with her hair dryer. Really? That's

1:14:10

what you do notice when you don't have to

1:14:13

in reserves or to their said i'm already dusty

1:14:15

brands to do that. The shrinking

1:14:17

not as if you wanted to do a

1:14:19

car abstain be is no god sizes desert

1:14:21

Cnc good. So they're prince. Oh okay, I

1:14:24

get what you're saying. I get

1:14:26

that looks pretty cool or ass as where

1:14:28

you have myself and that's what I did

1:14:30

for. I've been trying to find have an

1:14:32

account I'll never find it but there's this

1:14:35

is a recount. there's a cup you did

1:14:37

I gave a series of like Frog Design

1:14:39

inspired wraps for like Mac book for I

1:14:41

pad for I phones and I am I.

1:14:43

I'm old school in the sense that I

1:14:46

have such an abiding love for Frog Design,

1:14:48

a girl front design max and the to

1:14:50

see the to see I have a sort

1:14:52

of stuff. that's that as a certain Jenny

1:14:55

Say cloth to. Any up on

1:14:57

a steady? Say what? I.

1:15:02

Was dark about afraid?

1:15:04

deadpan. saw. Ah,

1:15:07

And so. Said. They are. we

1:15:09

are wrapped up in our last guy

1:15:11

was a teenager. Ah, it's so consider

1:15:14

using that apple. Actually had to make

1:15:16

a charts. To show

1:15:18

you all the different, there's four of them

1:15:20

now. And. So they say made

1:15:22

a chart on their website so you can. Figure.

1:15:25

Out which pencil you want? There's.

1:15:28

A pencil Pro: That's the new

1:15:30

one. Second generation pencil U S

1:15:32

B C Pencil and first generation

1:15:35

pencil. And

1:15:39

it's and and it's not as it's in.

1:15:41

The problem is that this isn't like oh

1:15:43

well for extra features for extra performance you

1:15:45

can get it's know we have as we

1:15:48

have incompatible tonsils for each. Yeah, you're right

1:15:50

as us and Uk educate and the thing

1:15:52

is when I upgrade to the next I

1:15:54

pad I'm going to have to buy a

1:15:57

new pencil. To actually use it for a

1:15:59

lot of in Watson. Yeah, that's

1:16:01

that's Obama. Yeah, it's messy. I

1:16:03

agree that it's very messy. Yeah,

1:16:05

you gets not just like these

1:16:07

of the features that I'd like

1:16:09

to have and I've got an

1:16:11

eyepatch no no no no is

1:16:14

to check all that compatibility arm.

1:16:16

It's still unclear whether this new

1:16:18

Apple Pencil Pro features an ulcer

1:16:20

wide been ship inside while we

1:16:22

as mine mine mine Because we

1:16:24

have and we have that feature

1:16:26

for the Apple Tv remotes. But

1:16:29

that find my is not using

1:16:31

Ultra wideband, it is just using

1:16:33

Bluetooth Sigmoid. So. I would

1:16:35

like to know and maybe I fix

1:16:37

it. Will end up telling us Ah

1:16:39

yes, there is ultra wideband in the.

1:16:42

Arm. Apple pencil, although as

1:16:44

good rex points out, there is no

1:16:46

you. W. B. chip in the new

1:16:48

I pads pro how, so that's indicative

1:16:50

I would. Yeah. I think that's

1:16:52

it's a little tight Mary Been though we

1:16:55

still have a pretty good video of the

1:16:57

inside of is so new features are Squeeze

1:16:59

you could squeeze it. And they they

1:17:01

are. They're gonna call a squeeze. I

1:17:03

guess what I'm doing: double Tap, which

1:17:05

is the featured, it's already existed. The

1:17:07

gesture that already exists and is not

1:17:09

the best gesture says now you have

1:17:11

squeeze which senses your squeeze and brings

1:17:13

up a new palette depending on the

1:17:16

saw freezing. Other nearly as better, right?

1:17:18

Because when I try to do the

1:17:20

double tap, I'm reducing the sort of

1:17:22

leverage that I have on the pencil

1:17:24

While dinner double tap it's I like

1:17:26

this. I don't have to take my

1:17:28

fingers off of it. I've seen people

1:17:30

complain about double tap this and I'm

1:17:32

working that one. We'll. Be unwieldy. That's

1:17:34

a good word for Barrel Roll

1:17:36

and New Gyroscope. Who is a

1:17:38

gyroscope? Lazio rotate the pencil which

1:17:40

is really cool for calligraphy but

1:17:42

also for moving objects around and

1:17:44

so forth that sesame need I

1:17:46

think Madness. especially with a brush

1:17:48

that's gonna be amicable. Not yeah,

1:17:50

yeah, nothing. Med Andra. First thing

1:17:52

that Putnam I hear when he

1:17:54

did Barrel Roll is armed from.

1:17:57

Er zum Icons he and I and as

1:17:59

a. Barry is very ugly committed yeah

1:18:01

it is. Click It is gonna give return

1:18:03

as they are but it's very important that

1:18:05

you can just go quarters of a certain

1:18:07

way as a good completely changed what a

1:18:09

character is sign and so without their barrel

1:18:11

roll is hard to tell citizens to recycle

1:18:14

when we did or learn Chinese characters is

1:18:16

same exact thing and use a brush is

1:18:18

no other way to do at ease breasts

1:18:20

and the number the order you do it

1:18:22

in the way you do it and a

1:18:24

stroke and so forth absolutely comes to service

1:18:26

the meaning so. Because currency

1:18:28

is to discuss this rice I

1:18:30

know that that's it's. the Japanese

1:18:32

version and it's a much poorer

1:18:34

for Cap appears in and lights

1:18:36

up. I have no idea. Skeptic:

1:18:38

See bag is cool people. were

1:18:40

hoping there be a little buzz

1:18:43

in the pencil. Ah,

1:18:45

Ah when you squeeze or double tap

1:18:47

you feel light pulse. confirming

1:18:49

the axis. Just an

1:18:51

all. That. Is it actually in a

1:18:53

lineup? So I don't think so. Thus, If

1:18:57

if it lights up, dominant about had a

1:18:59

bucket of sand, confessed that someone. On

1:19:02

sp. Have very

1:19:04

little there. Are, so that's that's good

1:19:07

and the double tap is still there. See have.

1:19:09

An three new features. I'm

1:19:11

night and excellent. There's no smooth

1:19:13

and have a nice little thing

1:19:15

where developers can create like customer

1:19:17

interaction so they can treat their

1:19:19

own kind of interface with how

1:19:21

these things actually interact with. So

1:19:23

wakes rumors about whether the barrel

1:19:25

rolls will control breast. Brush.

1:19:28

Angle of Attack or whether will simply use

1:19:30

bring up like a Pack A to power.

1:19:32

They could simply scroll through like that's and

1:19:34

I'm I'm really keen to see Apple's try

1:19:37

to extend the user interface into hardware and

1:19:39

seems like an early we did actually tried

1:19:41

to do that. they did. They mention procreates.

1:19:43

Oh it's. When the first a scanner exiting

1:19:45

an endless. Ah

1:19:48

is it and I'm super I'm always

1:19:50

surprised to see eyes a brave support

1:19:52

on Patron A lot of artists as

1:19:54

when my favorite groups to support unpatriotic

1:19:56

and off timetables they really a little

1:19:58

shit or older. I pad pro like

1:20:00

kids with each other and the number

1:20:02

of times you see these artists who

1:20:04

have amazing experience with like traditional are

1:20:06

tools and or solution for a lot

1:20:08

of different things on the I pad

1:20:10

are to just keep doing it and

1:20:12

racing it and doing and risk until

1:20:14

you get the line you wait for

1:20:16

the just feel like he believed have

1:20:18

this level of control even if they

1:20:20

have to learn like the new techniques

1:20:22

and learn a new ways of manipulating

1:20:25

the pencil that's a huge huge step

1:20:27

forward. It's this if it's an aim

1:20:29

for a Samsung as. A on Ultra

1:20:31

has of stylists is now an apple pencil and

1:20:33

app up the apple with Craig new apple pencil.

1:20:35

This way and the ways that artist can actually

1:20:37

use it as an artist tool is a good

1:20:40

way to justify that extra expense. Apple.

1:20:44

Product and blatantly I'm I'm here of the

1:20:46

East coast. You guys are on the west

1:20:49

coast and for and front away from that

1:20:51

I am so disappointed myself and I did

1:20:53

not come up with an east coast west

1:20:55

coast rap jokes when we were talking about

1:20:58

wraps. I am I apologize people from and

1:21:00

offer expecting that and pounding the table top

1:21:02

and fled to happen. I will try to

1:21:04

do better next time. Is your unfair? Let

1:21:07

us know you're out there people. Ones that

1:21:09

stand. Out a

1:21:11

lower East side employees. Are no. Ah,

1:21:17

In I forgot we we have

1:21:19

Apple results to talk about to

1:21:21

exit. There's some as sexual Apple

1:21:23

news. One of the reasons I

1:21:26

mentioned that is because ah, the

1:21:28

Apple results for I pad were

1:21:30

particularly bad last quarter. Seventeen percent

1:21:32

drop in sales. Missing.

1:21:34

Analysts estimate maybe that's because we all

1:21:36

kind of sense to be new. I

1:21:38

pass coming or. I

1:21:40

now a medical is better. Three years.

1:21:43

As yeah exactly. I think that's and top

1:21:45

of pent up expectations. I don't think anybody

1:21:47

who's buying and I pad is necessarily buying

1:21:50

them without knowledge of was coming up in

1:21:52

the future early or they're both buying them

1:21:54

for for schools so I'm not too concerned

1:21:56

about that. Numbers were a bubble probably gets

1:21:58

of as like a more definite. We've been

1:22:00

very fun as girl comes by can

1:22:02

talk about his his chart and gravel

1:22:04

ram us or but good results were

1:22:06

not that great across the board the

1:22:09

most interesting thing was or we have

1:22:11

them are we gonna talk with i

1:22:13

pad or sweet like see this later

1:22:15

ah save it and will we ever

1:22:17

more break will do the all the

1:22:19

other apple news in the next segment

1:22:21

about that. But. I do want

1:22:23

to make sure we got everything. Yep

1:22:25

in. from the of their we talked

1:22:28

about the I pad prose is and

1:22:30

eleven in the thirteen we talked about

1:22:32

the air's kind of peripherally. Ah,

1:22:34

I think a big deal with the tenth

1:22:37

generation I pad nothing is now Three Forty

1:22:39

Nine. That's now the base model and that's

1:22:41

the one where the people who only one

1:22:43

hundred and twenty eight gigs of storage or

1:22:45

less and eight gigs of ram or last

1:22:47

are are going to my months in the

1:22:49

restaurants more space, more is Marva consumption and

1:22:52

again and of ice and announced recent apps

1:22:54

and only I'm a kiosk devices. That's a

1:22:56

good point singling out of the i served

1:22:58

as you are going to increase or is

1:23:00

an adversary after a while when I was

1:23:02

sitting in a Muslim be jealous. And the

1:23:05

size and then a lady was in the

1:23:07

dispelled very nimble so eyes as to the

1:23:09

is there a device and I kind of

1:23:11

was strangely enough thing in am I gonna

1:23:14

get a mini the an hour wait and

1:23:16

see what happens if it would have been

1:23:18

the last time the mini too badly wait

1:23:20

and see that have been latency yeah germond

1:23:23

same the new many will be some substantially

1:23:25

improved so it might be worth when he

1:23:27

says at him alone and on. On.

1:23:29

Top of thing. Also probably been to space

1:23:31

these posts by start to Best Buy and

1:23:34

others have dropped the price of the ninth

1:23:36

generation. I pad nothing to two hundred Forty

1:23:38

Nine dogs around the same amount as cheap

1:23:40

as as a fire of tablet, but that's

1:23:43

getting dangerously close to. Oh sure, why not

1:23:45

buy one for your kids even though they're

1:23:47

probably go even on a bus Or drop

1:23:49

it in to Forty nine is fantastic. And.

1:23:52

that was as also you can take one in in like

1:23:54

put it in a room where you use it of the

1:23:56

his brain was always carry my prone to the kids. And.

1:24:00

Little big for the kids and regarding

1:24:02

teaching is often either watching something or

1:24:04

recipe or whatever at that level that

1:24:06

some fry appliance price. I did this

1:24:08

by one free kitten and leave it

1:24:10

there and mountains properly Now Protected travelers

1:24:12

Jimmy think about we had their when

1:24:14

we stabilize your for the a Formula

1:24:16

One race november. they had I pads

1:24:18

in the room and I was terrible.

1:24:22

Aunts and it was terrible. I was

1:24:24

terrible. You know it's like don't put

1:24:26

you know you had a open the

1:24:28

I pad. It's open the windows. Image

1:24:30

that just don't know as as the whole

1:24:32

everything was there you know I was all

1:24:34

there and that was good for them. couldn't

1:24:37

control any of manual for is known as

1:24:39

annoying yet actually pay and ninety nine cents

1:24:41

seat open window since it's not Id I

1:24:44

just I don't you know and the other

1:24:46

thing is it's it's I pad is a

1:24:48

really designed to be in it bedchamber at

1:24:50

night. Doesn't unlike the phone which

1:24:53

has that my sleep mode. The I pad just

1:24:55

said cern. So I

1:24:57

when I put it under some

1:24:59

and forgot about new versions of

1:25:01

other do with a pillow I

1:25:03

did. I smothered it the up

1:25:05

new versions of Final Cut Pro

1:25:07

and Logic Pro designs. it looks

1:25:09

like for these I pads. One

1:25:13

of the new features and final cut pro

1:25:15

to for I pad includes live multi cam

1:25:17

editing. Now it's just he didn't we have

1:25:19

lived multi cam as in the big boy

1:25:21

version. On. The desktop. When.

1:25:24

We had. A. Mean I don't we

1:25:26

you know his final cut I guess All

1:25:28

yes there's always been more that Amazon

1:25:30

multi camera has been demoted him a

1:25:32

thought that for us and sports and da

1:25:35

so this is new to the I

1:25:37

pad smoker. But what

1:25:39

school is you can use I phones Of the

1:25:41

four different I phones record different angles of a

1:25:43

scene at the same time. And. In

1:25:45

the footage stream to the I pad running filed

1:25:47

cat. That's kind of cool. The. I

1:25:50

dag fun as a decent camera. Ah,

1:25:53

It be really cool to do a multi cam sue

1:25:55

with for I phones. In

1:25:57

fact after the events it was

1:25:59

made clear after that not only

1:26:01

was today's entire event shot on

1:26:03

I saw it was also added

1:26:05

is only the mad and on

1:26:07

I pad. Oh interesting are there

1:26:10

were some people were hoping it would be shot

1:26:12

and vision pro. For. An

1:26:14

emerging I saw that in yeah. brilliant. Writer

1:26:18

as that which is also have been a

1:26:20

good desktop release. It my that he had

1:26:22

the Apple Store yet or the of the.

1:26:25

Store. Apps are english but it's coming

1:26:27

so fun of could do for any. Was

1:26:29

also knows the day ceremonies as bad a

1:26:31

good piece Packers does her before he did

1:26:33

of they are you have my look at

1:26:35

user docker. Ah, Yeah, average is

1:26:37

certified front of the district. Oh nice

1:26:40

which is why any and I speak

1:26:42

at am the thing and any be

1:26:44

oh I'm. Multi cam

1:26:46

feature enabled via new Final Cut

1:26:49

Camera app standalone which supports White

1:26:51

Balance a manual focus controls, auto

1:26:53

metering, iso and shutter speed adjustments.

1:26:56

Final: Cut Camera is on the app store free.

1:26:59

These. Will both be coming. Ah that.

1:27:02

The update to the Mack The

1:27:04

update to Final Cut Pro for

1:27:06

I Pad to and again that

1:27:08

is the second version of the

1:27:10

app called Senator From for I

1:27:12

pad not an app for I

1:27:14

bad to som We'll be coming

1:27:16

according to Apple our leader at

1:27:18

spring. For some reason Logic gets

1:27:20

a specific date which says that

1:27:22

way which will talk about the

1:27:24

moment but that one's coming on

1:27:26

Mace thirteenth. It's so

1:27:28

we should. I wish I knew more about

1:27:30

how people how prose would take advantage a

1:27:32

multi cam like are they going to see

1:27:34

article or the pleased to have multi cam

1:27:36

on the I pad but are disappointed that

1:27:38

while I can only used I phones to

1:27:40

do so why don't you gives bunch open

1:27:42

up the O S little bit select and

1:27:44

basically use any complaint camera with it's I

1:27:46

don't I don't know that isn't humor for

1:27:48

them. You can definitely use any complaint camera

1:27:50

to a little bit of cheating. Because

1:27:53

you're just going to end the I had to the

1:27:55

I phone and in this things he the I phone

1:27:57

so in theory should be able to do that. Okay,

1:28:00

so sorry you're not stuck using I Phones

1:28:02

for multi cam. A yeah I am.

1:28:04

I am. I mean is is in the

1:28:07

eyes in the Iso should work played on

1:28:09

ice as he didn't widow do and is the

1:28:11

easiest to test which you can control. right?

1:28:13

So they know exactly what an I phone

1:28:15

is. the the Delta of all the things

1:28:17

that would it becomes a Black Magic or

1:28:19

Sony or again In or Susie or Panasonic

1:28:21

now is out of their hands and not

1:28:23

a gotta didn't another be books when they

1:28:26

they start year they can have it works

1:28:28

and enough to carry work to give like

1:28:30

okay now so the so me which a

1:28:32

guy who diesel which is I in the

1:28:34

nick and so the work at inside the

1:28:36

it's a good jumping off points mostly for

1:28:38

the control mechanism. So. Date. So that

1:28:40

okay. So now we gotta clarified. You. Voice

1:28:42

had multi cam. And. Final capitals after

1:28:44

the fact right? you should I says and

1:28:46

then you put all in there and then

1:28:49

you could see could switch as years on

1:28:51

right now as as women are now the

1:28:53

the new thing is it's lives which means

1:28:55

in effect it's like a try caster or.

1:28:58

Or. He camera something. you're switching in final

1:29:00

to a right. I'm well. nothing's like damn

1:29:03

dog or I have Josie. Yes, I know

1:29:05

I'm in, but I think that that's interesting.

1:29:07

They're turning the I buried Was Switzer. In

1:29:10

a famous Super interesting and I again

1:29:12

I can't wait to test it out.

1:29:14

I have been thirteen from exports improvements

1:29:16

the zebra megson soon as I bank

1:29:18

and will find other said see now

1:29:20

they normally I think glad. I

1:29:23

was gonna say you when you were

1:29:25

saying ah was who this was for

1:29:28

I think this feature certainly encourages people

1:29:30

to instead of selling back their eyes,

1:29:32

nose on treating the men's they end

1:29:34

up keep that images. Now they've got

1:29:37

suddenly a multi cam set up. On

1:29:39

as live I have never treated my phones

1:29:41

in and so the third year cycle now

1:29:44

for the simple reason that they may great

1:29:46

extra terrorists is like Leo said, the very

1:29:48

top and is sacred. The I phone is

1:29:50

a pretty decent jammers. I've always kept the

1:29:52

last two models because the cameras are pretty

1:29:54

so. Of. Cake and

1:29:56

could see to you can you now do in

1:29:58

the new Sialkot for. Mack.

1:30:01

Can you do this as well as is

1:30:03

just in the I pad the slice multi

1:30:05

guys go to work with both money a

1:30:07

big out it was so yeah and again

1:30:09

we've always had money can't buy a again

1:30:11

my feelings of city for this live more.

1:30:13

The arm is a whole brain damaged by

1:30:15

your way running a switch or so now

1:30:17

I'm curious. I mean I wonder if can

1:30:19

you let the yeah I phone run for

1:30:21

a long time as a camera? Guess you

1:30:23

can as I do that with he came.

1:30:26

On. To present yeah mode but I when

1:30:28

I was in know I'm a mom says I

1:30:30

did. The. Entire show for it.

1:30:32

wheezing each am and the I so

1:30:34

okay so that's good. That's.

1:30:36

Really interesting. I presume they're using continuity

1:30:39

camera. Apple's using Honey

1:30:41

Camera. Do you know? Mystery Kim

1:30:43

Guy? Is. He came supports

1:30:45

this as well. I must consider it's it's

1:30:47

a virtual cameras The final cut must see

1:30:49

it as a camera. Yeah I

1:30:52

mean we automatically supporting their bid know as

1:30:54

can support I saw a in theory is

1:30:56

is as gonna work and we already do

1:30:58

this Now we already allow you to do

1:31:01

my own camus we have used I've hands

1:31:03

right and so it's it's he owed. It

1:31:05

is adding this to directly to the editor

1:31:07

which is which brings some would bring some

1:31:09

cool things like when it comes to I'm

1:31:12

adjusting your picture or I'm having some in

1:31:14

own sort of custom cameras Are cameras in

1:31:16

weird places like this A lot of the

1:31:18

the be of the do this on and

1:31:21

I'm looking. Forward to this. I love

1:31:23

the fact that it even says a

1:31:25

external project to support because imagine in

1:31:27

a I entered service or wedding or

1:31:29

something and these are people running around

1:31:31

with the phone given you different live

1:31:33

angle in a coal everybody not been

1:31:35

able to see eg. just look at

1:31:38

the present. they're all as going to

1:31:40

be cool. All the bridesmaids, a camera

1:31:42

operators. And I've it's

1:31:44

if i had is like during my said

1:31:46

our a guy like a couple of my

1:31:48

boys down around with the ipo while i'm

1:31:51

in a. Booth and I'm doing my thing

1:31:53

and I got one person in the say

1:31:55

that Dazzler looking back at me and and

1:31:57

to be the ones I like and sides

1:31:59

wants me switch to day was the your

1:32:01

Dominican Minister. So scary.

1:32:03

Interesting. Ah

1:32:05

today's and they match pretty well. So if

1:32:07

you have last year's in the year before

1:32:10

as in the year before that's okay. They

1:32:12

all can match up pretty well. Are messing

1:32:14

up. Is Rosalie easy anyway is known as

1:32:16

use Away. Bell is gonna have a say

1:32:18

in a of citizens and do s or

1:32:21

something like. Logic

1:32:23

Pro to has added a new

1:32:25

feature caught they call it stems

1:32:27

splitter that splits at the audio

1:32:29

into separate tracks. For. Different

1:32:31

instruments so you could take his.

1:32:34

Unmixed, A song

1:32:37

and and remix it? Yeah, yes,

1:32:39

that's very into our lives here.

1:32:41

Well, that works. There's.

1:32:43

A lot of abs and a D

1:32:46

Zero. They do this already on our

1:32:48

by you Michael's I'm is over algorithm

1:32:50

for it algorithm diseases Dj wide like

1:32:52

they had his for about a year

1:32:54

and a half now. Oh can a

1:32:56

works? Pretty good results. I'm super interested

1:32:58

to see what I was doing doing

1:33:00

with a malady. I'm like more direct

1:33:02

access to a processor as opposed to

1:33:04

just software. I feel like they can

1:33:07

do stuff with the yard. The media

1:33:09

is it and make it even cooler.

1:33:11

Some series did in this. they're claiming

1:33:13

it's. using. A I. I.

1:33:15

Would make mashups a lot easier right? Segue

1:33:17

from one thing to another. Take the vocals

1:33:19

from one song and it's put it another

1:33:21

song and things like that be very interesting

1:33:24

is at that's that's to me The most

1:33:26

exciting thing when I see the new hardware

1:33:28

is what couldn't kind of new creativity it

1:33:30

might only I'll give you a that most

1:33:32

people would into your bags can save your

1:33:34

be kids. So I was doing is some

1:33:36

filming outside and they were playing music in

1:33:38

the background In was the ones as an

1:33:41

opportunity to get this particular interview and then

1:33:43

other get home I'm listening to and I'm

1:33:45

like. I can put this on you. Tube

1:33:47

is immediately gonna go away. Yeah And then

1:33:49

my brain said hey dummy.is that the Dj

1:33:52

app and say. Isolate. The

1:33:54

vocals and so what is it? Do

1:33:56

eighty six the background music that would

1:33:58

have ruined my youtube status. Editor's

1:34:00

had my boys and the other person

1:34:02

talking. are you hearing this? Deadly right?

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in a situation we need to. Recorded

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you don't want to get in trouble

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for that stupid up. Received a book

1:34:17

that is cool. That. Is cool.

1:34:20

Or a vehicles session players and

1:34:22

offers an ai driven backing band.

1:34:26

Name was much too bad for its own number

1:34:28

and eight and we're not going to. Me

1:34:32

and and the in the about

1:34:34

ghosts of They are both free

1:34:36

upgrades to the existing app. Apple

1:34:38

consistently makes Logic of Final Tether

1:34:41

amazing deal by ones yet a

1:34:43

eternal upgrades. Ah,

1:34:45

Amendment yes Ah. monthly subscription model. I

1:34:47

miss that part. That's for I Pad

1:34:50

pro or as long as Logic Pro

1:34:52

for I Pad and awesome Final Cut

1:34:54

Pro Fry pan have existed. They have

1:34:56

always required as a subset of in

1:34:59

it's only the desktop O S persons.

1:35:01

Ah. Ah Magic Pro

1:35:03

a May Thirteenth as you mentioned later

1:35:05

the spring for fun. As.

1:35:08

Same with a camera said I'm

1:35:11

rushing over to see it. To

1:35:13

any case, anything else. What else

1:35:15

since when did might get a

1:35:17

new I pad. Pro lacks millimeter

1:35:19

wave, five g, and ultra wide

1:35:21

camera. Okay fine. Yeah,

1:35:25

I'm okay with a ditching and ah,

1:35:27

a camera. So saying that's because wields

1:35:29

right camera needed to stick out a

1:35:32

little further and so ditching that inside

1:35:34

my one millimeters or that. That

1:35:37

blessed with it. right? On

1:35:40

a second later my number clubs and didn't

1:35:42

directly to it like there's only one that

1:35:44

eat it had to get as the later

1:35:46

could you don't use a camera all the

1:35:49

time exactly Or a while I did get

1:35:51

something that can magnitude earthquake water and speak

1:35:53

with nano gribble whatever to hit make a

1:35:55

call this a nano nano clean building us.

1:35:59

Let's take a break. Come back there is

1:36:01

other apple news but I think can

1:36:03

I can I. Put. A

1:36:05

lid on it Or a week. We got

1:36:07

everything Emmy winning with on Sports Figures in

1:36:10

two hours for forty eight minutes well as

1:36:12

as well. Well there's Real does this kind

1:36:14

of the explain and annotated. I'm

1:36:16

and of course event is online

1:36:18

merchants. Are

1:36:21

they was well produced. I published Back

1:36:23

Alive Fence Honestly. I. Know

1:36:25

I'm as only civic his eloquence is my

1:36:27

here he says up I am I think

1:36:29

that that something missing. it's a little too

1:36:31

promotional a slow to can't. Just

1:36:35

my two to be fair. to be fair,

1:36:37

these events are always like marketing promotion but

1:36:39

it does feel more like lift like hey

1:36:41

we we is our day and which we

1:36:43

will be informing everybody including analysts and the

1:36:46

press about stuff and stealing a lot of

1:36:48

questions and the lows of speculation about what

1:36:50

we're doing. Why we're doing now feels more

1:36:52

like I mean I don't I don't mean

1:36:54

to be dismissive a calling it an infomercial,

1:36:56

but that's the first time I thought that

1:36:59

yeah I am. I had the same route

1:37:01

if you had one pan expected what you

1:37:03

throughout. This was this frying. Pan to

1:37:05

this grill top side. all for

1:37:07

just twenty nine dollars. I'm wizard

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scientists who helped make it happen.

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