In today's episode, we feature our interview on The Real News Podcast. We discuss the NFL's new rule regarding the National anthem. Should the players stand? Does the NFL have a right to make this ruling? What do the players kneel for? Does intent matter? Do we have institutional racism in our criminal justice system?

Also, an interesting policy update for bail reform in Utah. A policy that more states throughout the US need to take note of.

All of this discussed, tune in!

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