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Good morning. Welcome to AMM on Sabre

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Lane coming to you from Napalona Hoban.

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Survivers of the two thousand and two Bali

0:15

bombing say they're disgusted that the chief

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bombmaker behind the attacks has been released

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from jail. Uma Patek

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had

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served only eleven years of his

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twenty year sentence, but remissions for good

0:26

behavior cut his jail term.

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When Australian who gave evidence that protects

0:31

trials says he's skeptical, the convicted

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terrorist is truly remorseful. Indonesia

0:36

correspondent, and Barker reports. Perth

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man, Peter Hughes, helped to convict Ooma

0:41

Petec when he gave evidence to his trial

0:43

ten years ago. He remembers sitting

0:45

in a Jakarta court, meters from

0:47

the man who helped build the bomb that

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almost killed him and left him with

0:52

lifelong injuries. He says he

0:54

felt he was doing a service to all victims,

0:56

especially the eighty eight Australians who

0:59

died. But the twenty years sentence

1:01

Patek received has now been almost

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halved. We've

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determined to make sure this guy got the

1:06

the harshest sentence ever,

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and he didn't get that. Maybe we

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did a small part to put him away, but not long

1:13

enough.

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Less than twelve years after his arrest,

1:15

Uma Patelek is now a free man.

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Indonesian authorities say he's fulfilled

1:20

all the requirements for parole after

1:22

remissions for good behavior cut

1:24

years of his sentence He was

1:26

released yesterday morning. The director

1:29

general of Indonesia's correctional facilities,

1:31

Rika Aprianti, said Patek

1:33

is no longer radicalized and has

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the right to his freedom. The

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special requirements that have been met by

1:43

Ooma Patek are that he's participated

1:45

in the de radicalization coaching

1:47

program, she says. Though

1:51

Ooma Patek will remain on parole until

1:54

twenty And if he breaches

1:56

the conditions, his freedom could be

1:58

revoked. Peter Hughes says

2:00

the notion that Patek is remorseful

2:03

or no longer a threat is fanciful.

2:05

You know, this guy was a mastermind that

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set this all up along with people like

2:10

Bashar and many others and there's

2:12

a history of people like him. They

2:14

they won't stop you know, happened to be

2:16

let out as laughable.

2:17

Australia had lobby to keep

2:19

Patek in jail for the full term

2:21

with prime minister Anthony Albaniemi in

2:23

August. saying his impending release would

2:26

be abhorrent and cause further

2:28

distress to bombing victims. Indonesia

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deliberately delayed his least till

2:32

after the bombing anniversary in October,

2:35

and last month's g twenty summit

2:37

in Bali. Antitura authorities

2:39

are hoping he can help to de radical allies

2:42

other terror recruits in Indonesia.

2:44

But for Peter Hughes and other Australians,

2:47

Uma Patel is a mass murderer

2:49

who will always be a hero to younger

2:51

terrorists.

2:51

There's no chance of him actually

2:53

being turned around at any any perspective.

2:56

And I think he and his government have actually pulled the

2:58

wrong reign here with the first and that that

3:00

can do more damaging good. And

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after ten

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years, after kill kill and turn

3:05

to

3:05

people seriously, they can't

3:07

be They can't be serious in terms

3:09

of what they need to do with people like themselves.

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Perth

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man, PDQs, ending that report by

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Indonesia correspondent, Anne Barker.

3:17

Australia's quest to acquire nuclear powered

3:19

submarines has been discussed at a meeting in

3:21

Washington between the defense ministers from

3:23

Australia, the US, and the UK.

3:26

It's the first face to face August meeting

3:28

and comes a day after Australia's defense and

3:30

foreign ministers met their US counterparts

3:32

for the annual Ozmen talks. deputy

3:35

prime minister and defense minister Richard Myles

3:37

joined me earlier. Richard

3:38

Myles, thanks for joining

3:40

AM. My pleasure, Taber.

3:42

What progress have you made

3:44

in sorting out which nuclear powered submarines

3:46

Australia will acquire and when they'll be

3:48

delivered

3:50

Well, the optimal pathway is

3:53

now crystallizing. That's really what's

3:55

come out of the meeting with

3:57

the United States and the United Kingdom

3:59

today in in our first August

4:02

ministers meeting. And we've been

4:05

forecasting that we will make an announcement

4:07

in the first part of next year.

4:10

We're certainly on track to do

4:12

that. And so there's really good progress.

4:14

But there's still more to be done. Obviously,

4:18

the specifics of this needs to

4:20

go through the decision making

4:22

processes of all the countries that needs to

4:24

go through our own in Australia. and

4:27

that puts us in water to go under the bridge here.

4:29

But the optimal pipeline is

4:31

now crystallizing and we're

4:33

pretty excited about it. have you made a decision

4:35

yet on whether it'll be a UK or

4:37

a US submarine? Well,

4:39

now it's all about when we make the announcement.

4:42

But I would I would say this that whereas

4:46

perhaps earlier on in the process, one might

4:48

have imagined that this could

4:50

turn into some competitive process. What's

4:52

really being clear as this

4:54

has evolved is that it's been a genuine

4:56

collaboration between all the

4:58

United States and the United Kingdom, first of

5:00

all, with the two

5:02

of them with us to provide Australia

5:05

with a capability of

5:08

operating and you could have powered

5:10

submarine and and

5:12

speaks I think to a

5:14

shared mission to to

5:16

achieve this in what is a

5:18

pretty prepares and complex

5:20

world.

5:20

U. S. defense secretary, Lloyd

5:23

Austin, has said that Australia won't be left with

5:25

the capability gap while we wait for

5:27

nuclear submarines. Can you explain

5:29

what other types of weapons the US might

5:31

supply?

5:33

Well, again,

5:35

a lot of this will will form

5:37

part of the announcement that we ultimately make

5:40

next year. But I am pleased that

5:42

he said what he said because I've

5:44

been articulating for some time now

5:46

that dealing with questions

5:48

of a capability gap would be

5:50

would need to be part of the work that we're

5:52

undertaking right now. And that really emanates

5:55

from the fact that we effectively had a

5:57

lost decade in relation to

5:59

the successor submarine class

6:02

after Collins. And

6:04

given that loss decade, there has been

6:07

the real potential for that to be a

6:09

capability gap. And so First of

6:11

all, we need to be looking at ways in which we

6:13

can get our first

6:15

nuclear power submarine as soon as possible. But to the

6:17

extent that there a capability gap which

6:20

arises, we need to have answers as to how

6:22

to plan that. Now I feel confident

6:24

we will be able to have those answers. I think

6:26

that's what secretary Austin was speaking

6:28

to when he made those comments,

6:31

but we've been saying for some time now that

6:34

that needs to and will form part

6:36

of the announcement that we make when

6:38

we announce the optimal pathway next year?

6:41

So in talking about things being

6:43

crystallized as well, are you any

6:45

closer denying if a so called

6:46

of Collins submarine will be needed to

6:48

bridge that capability gap between

6:51

the existing Collins class subs

6:53

and the nuclear propelled subs. Well,

6:55

I

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suppose now to that question is we are

6:57

in saying that the

7:00

optimal power price now crystallizing, I

7:02

mean, as as the three countries have

7:04

worked together, we can now see

7:07

the pathway forward. We've

7:09

all gone into this single phase of three

7:11

we are very much committed to

7:14

the outcome of this Orca's process,

7:16

but there is still some water to go under the

7:18

bridge here. But And I feel

7:20

confident that we're going to be able to land this and we'll be

7:22

able to land this in the first part of

7:24

next year, which is what our plan was.

7:27

This fall represents a

7:29

complete transformation in terms of

7:31

Australia's capabilities and

7:33

our strategic posture. The US

7:36

has agreed to step up rotations of

7:38

American forces in Australia. Is that

7:40

going to mean more U. S. submarines and ships

7:42

on top of troops? We want

7:44

to do more

7:46

the force posture

7:48

cooperation across all domains, not

7:51

just Army, but air

7:53

force and navy. And

7:55

and we have talked about having

7:58

more visits of

8:00

American navy vessels including

8:02

submarines into Australia and indeed the UFS

8:05

Mississippi has been in Australia

8:07

over the last week or two.

8:10

So this is not

8:13

new, but we do want to step up the

8:15

tempo of this. And again, I think what that

8:17

really reflects is seeking to

8:19

build Australian capability,

8:22

knowing that one of the key assets that we have

8:24

with our capability is the

8:26

alliances and the partnerships that we

8:28

have around the world, and obviously, particularly

8:30

with the United States. But from here, the

8:32

Prime Minister and I will be going

8:34

to Japan tonight.

8:36

We're meeting with Japan

8:38

on Friday and

8:41

seeking to get greater Japanese

8:43

involvement. in force

8:45

posture cooperation really will be an

8:47

important outcome we will be seeking from that

8:49

meeting. And

8:50

finally, you

8:51

disappointed that chief Bali bomber,

8:53

Umer Patel, has been released from jail

8:55

after serving just over half of his sentence.

8:57

Well, I think this is gonna be a very

8:59

difficult day for many

9:02

Australians, not all Australians

9:04

to hear about the

9:06

release of Ooma, the tech,

9:08

and and I'm particularly

9:11

thinking right now of the

9:13

families of those who

9:15

were killed and injured in

9:17

in barley bombings and we've made

9:19

repeated representations to

9:21

the Indonesian government about

9:25

the early release of MRP attack.

9:27

And we will continue to make

9:29

repeated representations to the Indonesian

9:31

government about making sure that there is

9:33

constant surveillance

9:36

of Lumatec. But

9:37

this is, I think, a very

9:39

difficult day for the country, and it's a

9:42

particularly difficult day for

9:44

the families of those, as I said, who were

9:46

were killed and insured in Bali Gaulings.

9:48

Richard Myles, thanks for joining AM

9:50

this morning. Thank you, Trevor. Richard

9:52

Miles is the deputy prime minister and defense

9:55

minister.

9:59

As we wait for the details of what deal the

10:02

federal government struck with the states to

10:04

tackle soaring energy prices, the

10:06

nation's energy ministers are meeting to

10:08

discuss how to shore up supplies in

10:10

the medium and long term.

10:12

More renewable powers at the heart of that

10:14

and the clean energy regulators forecasting

10:16

that twenty twenty three could be a

10:18

near record year for electricity generation

10:20

from new residential rooftop solar

10:22

installations. However, as John

10:24

Dursley reports homeowners are facing lengthy

10:26

waiting times for installations. Three

10:29

point

10:29

four million rooftop solar systems

10:31

across Australia and counting.

10:33

Solar power is popular, and more households are

10:35

turning to it to try to counter soaring energy

10:38

costs. Tim Dixon, owner of

10:40

solar Australia, a retailer which sells

10:42

solar systems across the country

10:44

has seen a sharp increase in sales since

10:46

mid year. We've had a three

10:48

fold increase. the

10:49

other component to that

10:51

is is we're now actually doing

10:54

solar, wind battery and

10:57

backup circuits for blackout

10:59

protection. Basically,

11:00

it didn't exist, you know,

11:02

much to two, three years ago.

11:04

Now it's probably hitting

11:07

around thirty five percent to forty percent

11:09

of our total sales. The federal

11:11

budget forecast a fifty six percent

11:13

increase in retail electricity prices

11:15

over two years. And the Lebanese government's

11:17

now trying to figure out what market intervention

11:19

and other mechanisms it could use to

11:21

drive costs down. Fin Pecock is the

11:23

founder of Solar Quotes, a digital

11:25

platform that connects consumers with installers.

11:28

He says traffic to the site has

11:30

been off the charts. since the upheaval in the

11:32

East Coast Energy Group began earlier this

11:34

year. The traffic has been

11:36

off the charts. It started about

11:38

six months ago. towards the end

11:40

of June when the media and the

11:42

politicians started talking about, quote,

11:44

energy crisis. The clean energy regulator

11:46

recently upgraded its forecast for newly

11:48

installed rooftop solar this year from

11:50

three hundred thousand units to three hundred

11:52

and twenty thousand. The executive general

11:54

manager Mark Williamson says rising

11:56

energy costs are contributing to the search.

11:58

Yes. It's changed dramatically.

11:59

So we've now revised

12:02

this year's numbers up from

12:04

two point three gigawatts of total

12:07

capacity added to around

12:09

about two point seven to two point eight

12:11

gigawatts total added this

12:13

year. so it's been quite a a big

12:15

uptick. Next year's forecast is

12:17

higher. The regulator expects there'll be

12:19

another three hundred and fifty thousand

12:21

rooftop solar units installed. adding three

12:23

gigawatts of capacity, equivalent to

12:25

the capacity generated by one coal

12:27

fired power unit. It could get

12:29

very close to the record year, which

12:31

was last year at three point

12:33

two gigawatts, which was the biggest year

12:35

ever. But homeowners hoping to quickly

12:37

offset rising energy costs maybe even

12:39

for a shock. Finn Paycock says there are

12:41

considerable supply bottlenecks as

12:43

installers scramble to fulfill

12:45

demand. Except the quote today, you're probably

12:47

looking at end of February before

12:49

you'll get an install. And yeah.

12:51

And that's generally when it goes out

12:53

to three months, installers start turning

12:56

away business, because they don't wanna stretch it out much

12:58

further than that. In the meantime, the prime

13:00

minister and state and territory leaders are meeting

13:02

tomorrow to map out a plan of

13:04

how to intervene in energy markets in

13:06

order to tackle soaring prices.

13:08

John

13:08

Daly reporting there, despite

13:10

severe flooding, along Australia's East

13:12

Coast, some rural communities are

13:14

starkly aware they're edging closer to

13:16

drought. An ABC analysis shows

13:18

fifty five towns came close to running out

13:20

of water during the last extreme dry

13:23

event. There are warnings the risks of it

13:25

happening again are greater than ever.

13:27

his national regional affairs reporter,

13:29

Lucy Barber. For the

13:30

community of Stanford in

13:32

Southeast Queensland, the last drought

13:35

was the worst in modern memory.

13:37

Samantha and Russell wantling were horrified at

13:39

what

13:39

people went through. Yeah. And I've ordered

13:42

that even get up in the morning to brush their teeth. It

13:44

was such a concern. You know, when you have to send

13:46

your kid down to a a spring in the middle

13:48

of your paddock to get a bit of water,

13:50

to bring up to wash with, you know, schools run

13:52

programs to because the kids were

13:54

starting to smell and they had to, you know, with, yeah,

13:56

the embarrassment they had to they started sharing

13:58

some of the kids good. I had

13:59

to. It was it was horrific. Locals

14:01

were forced to live on eighty liters

14:03

of water per person per day.

14:05

That's less than half what's someone

14:07

in Sydney uses daily.

14:09

The Wangling started a charity

14:11

that delivered tens of millions of liters

14:14

of free water to residents. and

14:16

Samantha wantling is worried they may have

14:18

to do it again during the next

14:20

big dry. Something we had during the drought was,

14:22

I would say, every Politicians,

14:24

local, federal, or state come up and,

14:26

you know, graces with their presence, get the

14:28

great photo with someone who was deserving

14:30

and say, we will never let this happen again

14:32

and go away. but what has happened now as

14:34

it's raining. So I feel the

14:36

need for water security is is

14:38

on the back bench. There's good

14:40

reason to be concerned. according to

14:42

professor of regional economic

14:44

development at Central Queensland University,

14:46

John Rolf. We've got

14:47

more people living in urban areas

14:50

we're allocating out the water at

14:52

a faster rate. There's not as

14:54

much water left in the systems that

14:56

are unallocated. He

14:56

says extreme weather as well as

14:59

increases in population and

15:01

agricultural productivity have

15:03

left rural and regional areas more

15:05

likely to

15:05

run dry. So all of these things mean

15:07

that there are greater risks, I think,

15:09

of shortages into the future. But there

15:11

are signs that governments are making

15:14

water security in country

15:16

towns, a bigger priority. The federal

15:18

government's national water grid authority,

15:20

which funds pipelines dams

15:22

and bores, has been asked to

15:24

invest in infrastructure that

15:26

boosts town as well as agricultural

15:28

water supply. And in New

15:30

South Wales, a billion dollars

15:32

has been spent on various

15:34

projects already. The new Sao Paulo

15:36

government had

15:36

previously really focused

15:38

on you saw that

15:40

I'm Metropolitan Sydney in the high grade hunter

15:43

water supplies were safe and

15:45

secure. Acting chief executive of

15:47

water infrastructure in New South Wales.

15:49

ingred Emery says almost four

15:51

hundred and fifty thousand people

15:53

will have far better access to water

15:56

during dry times. but progress

15:58

has been slow.

15:59

Flooding in particular has been really

16:02

challenging because it meant that it's been

16:04

really difficult to access sites even

16:06

level line, did any construction works

16:08

on them. I can't say with

16:10

any certainty that when we come in to drown

16:12

all of those projects will be finished, and then

16:14

enough will have been done. But will

16:16

be certainly well on the way to to getting a

16:18

lot more towns in a better position to

16:20

be able to deal with the next round.

16:23

Ingrid

16:23

Emory from Water Infrastructure, New

16:25

South, Wales. That report from Lucy Barber

16:27

and Nathan Morris.

16:28

Prosecutors

16:32

say a far right group inspired

16:35

by QAnon in deep state

16:37

conspiracy theories was preparing a

16:39

violent plot to overthrow the German

16:41

government Twenty five

16:43

members and supporters of the group's citizens of

16:45

the Reich have been arrested. Local

16:47

authorities believe armed members were

16:49

planning to storm the parliamentary building

16:51

in Berlin. His east

16:54

Europe correspondent, Steve Kanan.

16:56

In the

16:56

German city of Frankfurt, seventy

16:59

one year old, Crobat, wearing aristocrat,

17:01

is being fraudmarged into

17:03

a police van. He goes by the

17:05

name of Prince Heinrich the thirteenth.

17:08

and prosecutors alleged that members of the citizens of

17:10

the Reich plan to overthrow the

17:13

government and install him as the

17:15

country's leader. Federal

17:17

prosecutor Peter Frank said that the group

17:19

already had its own cabinet ready

17:21

to take over government. So

17:24

next in Einan art, art,

17:26

This group set up a of council, he says, which

17:28

is supposed to be a kind of government organization,

17:31

which was split up into different departments.

17:34

just like the cabinet of a country. Several

17:37

individuals were already earmarked to take

17:39

over different ministries such as

17:41

for their justice minister, a former member

17:43

of the German Bundestag.

17:46

That former MP is Birgit

17:48

Malsach Winkerman, who is a judge at the

17:50

Berlin District Court. Local

17:52

media is reporting that she was arrested

17:54

at her apartment. Prosecutors

17:56

say that more than three thousand police

17:58

and security forces were involved in the

18:01

raids and the arrests in

18:03

Germany, Italy, and

18:05

Austria. Germany's interior

18:07

minister, Nancy Faeser, said that the

18:09

citizens of the Reich were united

18:11

by hatred for democracy, for

18:13

our state, and for people who

18:15

support our community.

18:16

Based

18:19

on

18:19

current findings, he said, the

18:21

suspected terrorist group uncovered today

18:23

was founded based on coup d'etat

18:26

fantasies and conspiracy ideologies.

18:28

Only a further investigation will give

18:30

us a clear picture how far

18:32

advanced those coup plans were.

18:36

Claudia Valna is a research fellow in

18:38

terrorism and conflict at

18:40

Rusey. From Berlin, she told AM

18:42

that the group did pose a threat. as they

18:44

had access to weapons and

18:46

people who knew how to use them. They

18:48

had very concrete plans to to

18:50

overthrow the government, and they were

18:51

clearly willing and able to

18:54

to use

18:54

violence to achieve this. They're clearly

18:56

aware that this was going to involve

18:59

murdering in the process, and they had

19:01

already gotten a hold of weapons. They

19:03

had former members of the

19:05

military in their ranks, and that

19:07

also included actively recruiting

19:10

police officers, members of the

19:12

military, former and

19:14

current for this cause, and they were clearly

19:16

quite successful with that, and that's obviously very concerning.

19:18

Eight members of the group are already in

19:20

pre trial detention with

19:22

suspects due to appear before a judge in

19:25

the coming days. This

19:27

is Steve Canane reporting for AM.

19:29

And

19:29

that's AM for today. Thanks

19:31

for your company. I'm Sabrah Lane.

19:35

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19:37

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