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This
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is an ABC Podcast.
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Good morning. Welcome to AMM on Sabre
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Lane coming to you from Napalona Hoban.
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Survivers of the two thousand and two Bali
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bombing say they're disgusted that the chief
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bombmaker behind the attacks has been released
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from jail. Uma Patek
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had
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served only eleven years of his
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twenty year sentence, but remissions for good
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behavior cut his jail term.
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When Australian who gave evidence that protects
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trials says he's skeptical, the convicted
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terrorist is truly remorseful. Indonesia
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correspondent, and Barker reports. Perth
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man, Peter Hughes, helped to convict Ooma
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Petec when he gave evidence to his trial
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ten years ago. He remembers sitting
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in a Jakarta court, meters from
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the man who helped build the bomb that
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almost killed him and left him with
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lifelong injuries. He says he
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felt he was doing a service to all victims,
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especially the eighty eight Australians who
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died. But the twenty years sentence
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Patek received has now been almost
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halved. We've
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determined to make sure this guy got the
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the harshest sentence ever,
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and he didn't get that. Maybe we
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did a small part to put him away, but not long
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enough.
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Less than twelve years after his arrest,
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Uma Patelek is now a free man.
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Indonesian authorities say he's fulfilled
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all the requirements for parole after
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remissions for good behavior cut
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years of his sentence He was
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released yesterday morning. The director
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general of Indonesia's correctional facilities,
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Rika Aprianti, said Patek
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is no longer radicalized and has
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the right to his freedom. The
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special requirements that have been met by
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Ooma Patek are that he's participated
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in the de radicalization coaching
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program, she says. Though
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Ooma Patek will remain on parole until
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twenty And if he breaches
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the conditions, his freedom could be
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revoked. Peter Hughes says
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the notion that Patek is remorseful
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or no longer a threat is fanciful.
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You know, this guy was a mastermind that
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set this all up along with people like
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Bashar and many others and there's
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a history of people like him. They
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they won't stop you know, happened to be
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let out as laughable.
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Australia had lobby to keep
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Patek in jail for the full term
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with prime minister Anthony Albaniemi in
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August. saying his impending release would
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be abhorrent and cause further
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distress to bombing victims. Indonesia
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deliberately delayed his least till
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after the bombing anniversary in October,
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and last month's g twenty summit
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in Bali. Antitura authorities
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are hoping he can help to de radical allies
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other terror recruits in Indonesia.
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But for Peter Hughes and other Australians,
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Uma Patel is a mass murderer
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who will always be a hero to younger
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terrorists.
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There's no chance of him actually
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being turned around at any any perspective.
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And I think he and his government have actually pulled the
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wrong reign here with the first and that that
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can do more damaging good. And
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after ten
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years, after kill kill and turn
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to
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people seriously, they can't
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be They can't be serious in terms
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of what they need to do with people like themselves.
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Perth
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man, PDQs, ending that report by
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Indonesia correspondent, Anne Barker.
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Australia's quest to acquire nuclear powered
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submarines has been discussed at a meeting in
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Washington between the defense ministers from
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Australia, the US, and the UK.
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It's the first face to face August meeting
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and comes a day after Australia's defense and
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foreign ministers met their US counterparts
3:32
for the annual Ozmen talks. deputy
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prime minister and defense minister Richard Myles
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joined me earlier. Richard
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Myles, thanks for joining
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AM. My pleasure, Taber.
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What progress have you made
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in sorting out which nuclear powered submarines
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Australia will acquire and when they'll be
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delivered
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Well, the optimal pathway is
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now crystallizing. That's really what's
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come out of the meeting with
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the United States and the United Kingdom
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today in in our first August
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ministers meeting. And we've been
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forecasting that we will make an announcement
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in the first part of next year.
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We're certainly on track to do
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that. And so there's really good progress.
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But there's still more to be done. Obviously,
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the specifics of this needs to
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go through the decision making
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processes of all the countries that needs to
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go through our own in Australia. and
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that puts us in water to go under the bridge here.
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But the optimal pipeline is
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now crystallizing and we're
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pretty excited about it. have you made a decision
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yet on whether it'll be a UK or
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a US submarine? Well,
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now it's all about when we make the announcement.
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But I would I would say this that whereas
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perhaps earlier on in the process, one might
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have imagined that this could
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turn into some competitive process. What's
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really being clear as this
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has evolved is that it's been a genuine
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collaboration between all the
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United States and the United Kingdom, first of
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all, with the two
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of them with us to provide Australia
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with a capability of
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operating and you could have powered
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submarine and and
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speaks I think to a
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shared mission to to
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achieve this in what is a
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pretty prepares and complex
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world.
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U. S. defense secretary, Lloyd
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Austin, has said that Australia won't be left with
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the capability gap while we wait for
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nuclear submarines. Can you explain
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what other types of weapons the US might
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supply?
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Well, again,
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a lot of this will will form
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part of the announcement that we ultimately make
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next year. But I am pleased that
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he said what he said because I've
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been articulating for some time now
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that dealing with questions
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of a capability gap would be
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would need to be part of the work that we're
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undertaking right now. And that really emanates
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from the fact that we effectively had a
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lost decade in relation to
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the successor submarine class
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after Collins. And
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given that loss decade, there has been
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the real potential for that to be a
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capability gap. And so First of
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all, we need to be looking at ways in which we
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can get our first
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nuclear power submarine as soon as possible. But to the
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extent that there a capability gap which
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arises, we need to have answers as to how
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to plan that. Now I feel confident
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we will be able to have those answers. I think
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that's what secretary Austin was speaking
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to when he made those comments,
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but we've been saying for some time now that
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that needs to and will form part
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of the announcement that we make when
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we announce the optimal pathway next year?
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So in talking about things being
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crystallized as well, are you any
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closer denying if a so called
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of Collins submarine will be needed to
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bridge that capability gap between
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the existing Collins class subs
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and the nuclear propelled subs. Well,
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I
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suppose now to that question is we are
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in saying that the
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optimal power price now crystallizing, I
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mean, as as the three countries have
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worked together, we can now see
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the pathway forward. We've
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all gone into this single phase of three
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we are very much committed to
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the outcome of this Orca's process,
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but there is still some water to go under the
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bridge here. But And I feel
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confident that we're going to be able to land this and we'll be
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able to land this in the first part of
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next year, which is what our plan was.
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This fall represents a
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complete transformation in terms of
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Australia's capabilities and
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our strategic posture. The US
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has agreed to step up rotations of
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American forces in Australia. Is that
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going to mean more U. S. submarines and ships
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on top of troops? We want
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to do more
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the force posture
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cooperation across all domains, not
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just Army, but air
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force and navy. And
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and we have talked about having
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more visits of
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American navy vessels including
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submarines into Australia and indeed the UFS
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Mississippi has been in Australia
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over the last week or two.
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So this is not
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new, but we do want to step up the
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tempo of this. And again, I think what that
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really reflects is seeking to
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build Australian capability,
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knowing that one of the key assets that we have
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with our capability is the
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alliances and the partnerships that we
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have around the world, and obviously, particularly
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with the United States. But from here, the
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Prime Minister and I will be going
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to Japan tonight.
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We're meeting with Japan
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on Friday and
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seeking to get greater Japanese
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involvement. in force
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posture cooperation really will be an
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important outcome we will be seeking from that
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meeting. And
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finally, you
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disappointed that chief Bali bomber,
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Umer Patel, has been released from jail
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after serving just over half of his sentence.
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Well, I think this is gonna be a very
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difficult day for many
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Australians, not all Australians
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to hear about the
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release of Ooma, the tech,
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and and I'm particularly
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thinking right now of the
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families of those who
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were killed and injured in
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in barley bombings and we've made
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repeated representations to
9:21
the Indonesian government about
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the early release of MRP attack.
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And we will continue to make
9:29
repeated representations to the Indonesian
9:31
government about making sure that there is
9:33
constant surveillance
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of Lumatec. But
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this is, I think, a very
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difficult day for the country, and it's a
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particularly difficult day for
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the families of those, as I said, who were
9:46
were killed and insured in Bali Gaulings.
9:48
Richard Myles, thanks for joining AM
9:50
this morning. Thank you, Trevor. Richard
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Miles is the deputy prime minister and defense
9:55
minister.
9:59
As we wait for the details of what deal the
10:02
federal government struck with the states to
10:04
tackle soaring energy prices, the
10:06
nation's energy ministers are meeting to
10:08
discuss how to shore up supplies in
10:10
the medium and long term.
10:12
More renewable powers at the heart of that
10:14
and the clean energy regulators forecasting
10:16
that twenty twenty three could be a
10:18
near record year for electricity generation
10:20
from new residential rooftop solar
10:22
installations. However, as John
10:24
Dursley reports homeowners are facing lengthy
10:26
waiting times for installations. Three
10:29
point
10:29
four million rooftop solar systems
10:31
across Australia and counting.
10:33
Solar power is popular, and more households are
10:35
turning to it to try to counter soaring energy
10:38
costs. Tim Dixon, owner of
10:40
solar Australia, a retailer which sells
10:42
solar systems across the country
10:44
has seen a sharp increase in sales since
10:46
mid year. We've had a three
10:48
fold increase. the
10:49
other component to that
10:51
is is we're now actually doing
10:54
solar, wind battery and
10:57
backup circuits for blackout
10:59
protection. Basically,
11:00
it didn't exist, you know,
11:02
much to two, three years ago.
11:04
Now it's probably hitting
11:07
around thirty five percent to forty percent
11:09
of our total sales. The federal
11:11
budget forecast a fifty six percent
11:13
increase in retail electricity prices
11:15
over two years. And the Lebanese government's
11:17
now trying to figure out what market intervention
11:19
and other mechanisms it could use to
11:21
drive costs down. Fin Pecock is the
11:23
founder of Solar Quotes, a digital
11:25
platform that connects consumers with installers.
11:28
He says traffic to the site has
11:30
been off the charts. since the upheaval in the
11:32
East Coast Energy Group began earlier this
11:34
year. The traffic has been
11:36
off the charts. It started about
11:38
six months ago. towards the end
11:40
of June when the media and the
11:42
politicians started talking about, quote,
11:44
energy crisis. The clean energy regulator
11:46
recently upgraded its forecast for newly
11:48
installed rooftop solar this year from
11:50
three hundred thousand units to three hundred
11:52
and twenty thousand. The executive general
11:54
manager Mark Williamson says rising
11:56
energy costs are contributing to the search.
11:58
Yes. It's changed dramatically.
11:59
So we've now revised
12:02
this year's numbers up from
12:04
two point three gigawatts of total
12:07
capacity added to around
12:09
about two point seven to two point eight
12:11
gigawatts total added this
12:13
year. so it's been quite a a big
12:15
uptick. Next year's forecast is
12:17
higher. The regulator expects there'll be
12:19
another three hundred and fifty thousand
12:21
rooftop solar units installed. adding three
12:23
gigawatts of capacity, equivalent to
12:25
the capacity generated by one coal
12:27
fired power unit. It could get
12:29
very close to the record year, which
12:31
was last year at three point
12:33
two gigawatts, which was the biggest year
12:35
ever. But homeowners hoping to quickly
12:37
offset rising energy costs maybe even
12:39
for a shock. Finn Paycock says there are
12:41
considerable supply bottlenecks as
12:43
installers scramble to fulfill
12:45
demand. Except the quote today, you're probably
12:47
looking at end of February before
12:49
you'll get an install. And yeah.
12:51
And that's generally when it goes out
12:53
to three months, installers start turning
12:56
away business, because they don't wanna stretch it out much
12:58
further than that. In the meantime, the prime
13:00
minister and state and territory leaders are meeting
13:02
tomorrow to map out a plan of
13:04
how to intervene in energy markets in
13:06
order to tackle soaring prices.
13:08
John
13:08
Daly reporting there, despite
13:10
severe flooding, along Australia's East
13:12
Coast, some rural communities are
13:14
starkly aware they're edging closer to
13:16
drought. An ABC analysis shows
13:18
fifty five towns came close to running out
13:20
of water during the last extreme dry
13:23
event. There are warnings the risks of it
13:25
happening again are greater than ever.
13:27
his national regional affairs reporter,
13:29
Lucy Barber. For the
13:30
community of Stanford in
13:32
Southeast Queensland, the last drought
13:35
was the worst in modern memory.
13:37
Samantha and Russell wantling were horrified at
13:39
what
13:39
people went through. Yeah. And I've ordered
13:42
that even get up in the morning to brush their teeth. It
13:44
was such a concern. You know, when you have to send
13:46
your kid down to a a spring in the middle
13:48
of your paddock to get a bit of water,
13:50
to bring up to wash with, you know, schools run
13:52
programs to because the kids were
13:54
starting to smell and they had to, you know, with, yeah,
13:56
the embarrassment they had to they started sharing
13:58
some of the kids good. I had
13:59
to. It was it was horrific. Locals
14:01
were forced to live on eighty liters
14:03
of water per person per day.
14:05
That's less than half what's someone
14:07
in Sydney uses daily.
14:09
The Wangling started a charity
14:11
that delivered tens of millions of liters
14:14
of free water to residents. and
14:16
Samantha wantling is worried they may have
14:18
to do it again during the next
14:20
big dry. Something we had during the drought was,
14:22
I would say, every Politicians,
14:24
local, federal, or state come up and,
14:26
you know, graces with their presence, get the
14:28
great photo with someone who was deserving
14:30
and say, we will never let this happen again
14:32
and go away. but what has happened now as
14:34
it's raining. So I feel the
14:36
need for water security is is
14:38
on the back bench. There's good
14:40
reason to be concerned. according to
14:42
professor of regional economic
14:44
development at Central Queensland University,
14:46
John Rolf. We've got
14:47
more people living in urban areas
14:50
we're allocating out the water at
14:52
a faster rate. There's not as
14:54
much water left in the systems that
14:56
are unallocated. He
14:56
says extreme weather as well as
14:59
increases in population and
15:01
agricultural productivity have
15:03
left rural and regional areas more
15:05
likely to
15:05
run dry. So all of these things mean
15:07
that there are greater risks, I think,
15:09
of shortages into the future. But there
15:11
are signs that governments are making
15:14
water security in country
15:16
towns, a bigger priority. The federal
15:18
government's national water grid authority,
15:20
which funds pipelines dams
15:22
and bores, has been asked to
15:24
invest in infrastructure that
15:26
boosts town as well as agricultural
15:28
water supply. And in New
15:30
South Wales, a billion dollars
15:32
has been spent on various
15:34
projects already. The new Sao Paulo
15:36
government had
15:36
previously really focused
15:38
on you saw that
15:40
I'm Metropolitan Sydney in the high grade hunter
15:43
water supplies were safe and
15:45
secure. Acting chief executive of
15:47
water infrastructure in New South Wales.
15:49
ingred Emery says almost four
15:51
hundred and fifty thousand people
15:53
will have far better access to water
15:56
during dry times. but progress
15:58
has been slow.
15:59
Flooding in particular has been really
16:02
challenging because it meant that it's been
16:04
really difficult to access sites even
16:06
level line, did any construction works
16:08
on them. I can't say with
16:10
any certainty that when we come in to drown
16:12
all of those projects will be finished, and then
16:14
enough will have been done. But will
16:16
be certainly well on the way to to getting a
16:18
lot more towns in a better position to
16:20
be able to deal with the next round.
16:23
Ingrid
16:23
Emory from Water Infrastructure, New
16:25
South, Wales. That report from Lucy Barber
16:27
and Nathan Morris.
16:28
Prosecutors
16:32
say a far right group inspired
16:35
by QAnon in deep state
16:37
conspiracy theories was preparing a
16:39
violent plot to overthrow the German
16:41
government Twenty five
16:43
members and supporters of the group's citizens of
16:45
the Reich have been arrested. Local
16:47
authorities believe armed members were
16:49
planning to storm the parliamentary building
16:51
in Berlin. His east
16:54
Europe correspondent, Steve Kanan.
16:56
In the
16:56
German city of Frankfurt, seventy
16:59
one year old, Crobat, wearing aristocrat,
17:01
is being fraudmarged into
17:03
a police van. He goes by the
17:05
name of Prince Heinrich the thirteenth.
17:08
and prosecutors alleged that members of the citizens of
17:10
the Reich plan to overthrow the
17:13
government and install him as the
17:15
country's leader. Federal
17:17
prosecutor Peter Frank said that the group
17:19
already had its own cabinet ready
17:21
to take over government. So
17:24
next in Einan art, art,
17:26
This group set up a of council, he says, which
17:28
is supposed to be a kind of government organization,
17:31
which was split up into different departments.
17:34
just like the cabinet of a country. Several
17:37
individuals were already earmarked to take
17:39
over different ministries such as
17:41
for their justice minister, a former member
17:43
of the German Bundestag.
17:46
That former MP is Birgit
17:48
Malsach Winkerman, who is a judge at the
17:50
Berlin District Court. Local
17:52
media is reporting that she was arrested
17:54
at her apartment. Prosecutors
17:56
say that more than three thousand police
17:58
and security forces were involved in the
18:01
raids and the arrests in
18:03
Germany, Italy, and
18:05
Austria. Germany's interior
18:07
minister, Nancy Faeser, said that the
18:09
citizens of the Reich were united
18:11
by hatred for democracy, for
18:13
our state, and for people who
18:15
support our community.
18:16
Based
18:19
on
18:19
current findings, he said, the
18:21
suspected terrorist group uncovered today
18:23
was founded based on coup d'etat
18:26
fantasies and conspiracy ideologies.
18:28
Only a further investigation will give
18:30
us a clear picture how far
18:32
advanced those coup plans were.
18:36
Claudia Valna is a research fellow in
18:38
terrorism and conflict at
18:40
Rusey. From Berlin, she told AM
18:42
that the group did pose a threat. as they
18:44
had access to weapons and
18:46
people who knew how to use them. They
18:48
had very concrete plans to to
18:50
overthrow the government, and they were
18:51
clearly willing and able to
18:54
to use
18:54
violence to achieve this. They're clearly
18:56
aware that this was going to involve
18:59
murdering in the process, and they had
19:01
already gotten a hold of weapons. They
19:03
had former members of the
19:05
military in their ranks, and that
19:07
also included actively recruiting
19:10
police officers, members of the
19:12
military, former and
19:14
current for this cause, and they were clearly
19:16
quite successful with that, and that's obviously very concerning.
19:18
Eight members of the group are already in
19:20
pre trial detention with
19:22
suspects due to appear before a judge in
19:25
the coming days. This
19:27
is Steve Canane reporting for AM.
19:29
And
19:29
that's AM for today. Thanks
19:31
for your company. I'm Sabrah Lane.
19:35
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19:37
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