0:01

Dreaming of a better sleep? Tossing

0:03

and turning is not your destiny. And

0:06

Ollie is here to help. Ollie invites

0:08

you to sink into sweet, sweet

0:10

slumber to improve your mental

0:13

and physical health and overall wellness. More

0:16

than just melatonin, Ollie's ingredients help

0:18

you unwind your mind for a

0:20

delightfully dreamy drift off. Sleep

0:23

is on the way at

0:25

ollie.com. That's o-l-l-y.com. Why

0:31

take one vacation with the family when you

0:33

could take all of them? With Royal Caribbean,

0:36

you don't just go to the beach. You

0:38

visit a private island and race down the

0:40

tallest waterslide in North America. You

0:42

don't just go for a road trip, you

0:44

ATV and zip-line through the jungle.

0:46

You don't just go somewhere new. You don't just go

0:49

somewhere new. You repel down waterfalls

0:51

and discover ancient temples. Because this

0:53

isn't just any vacation. This is

0:55

all the vacations. Come seek the

0:58

Royal Caribbean. Ships Registry Bahamas.

1:16

Hello, everybody. Happy Monday. Hope you all

1:18

had a fantastic weekend and you're here

1:20

hanging out with me today. I apologize

1:23

for the momentary lateness. I am not

1:25

in fact time blind, guys. I know

1:27

what time it is. We

1:29

had a whole different show planned for you

1:32

today. But then this whole hit piece from

1:34

The New Yorker came out about Andrew Huberman.

1:36

So we've shifted gears. We're gonna go through

1:38

this supposed hit piece and go through some

1:40

of the details. I tried to read as

1:42

much of this as possible before the show,

1:44

but we're just gonna go through it together

1:46

because that's the way we do things

1:48

on this stream. You guys will probably

1:51

be familiar with Andrew Huberman. He's a

1:53

Stanford researcher who's known best for his

1:55

podcast Huberman Lab, where he talks about

1:58

the research that he's doing. on

2:00

different experts to talk to you about

2:02

anything from how to get the best

2:04

dopamine during the day to how we

2:06

deal with alcoholism and smoking. What's the

2:08

best way to live? What's the best

2:10

nighttime routine? How do we practice gratitude?

2:13

All these different questions, Huberman asked himself

2:15

in his Huberman Lab podcast and tries

2:17

to give you, shall we say,

2:19

the best prescription on what you can do in

2:21

your own life, or at the very least going

2:23

through the research. Now there's been a hit piece

2:26

published on him in The New Yorker, but before

2:28

we get into that and to discuss all

2:30

these different things, we have Taylor in

2:32

action. Hey, happy Monday

2:34

and yeah, cue the breaking news

2:36

music and supposedly the dramatic music

2:39

and since we are springing into

2:41

action to cover this breaking story

2:43

about this hit piece. Yeah, don't

2:46

play with me New Yorker, okay? If you're going

2:48

to publish a hit piece on somebody, we all

2:50

know this is what happens, right? You start your

2:53

podcast or you write your book or whatever endeavor

2:55

it is you're working on, you rise to fame

2:57

and then all of a sudden there's like an

2:59

expose on you and everything horrible you've ever done

3:01

in your life and apparently this is what's happening

3:03

with Huberman. Now I don't know how

3:06

valid these things are going to be. I don't

3:08

know how shocking they are going to be, but

3:10

we are going to learn about it here today.

3:12

Do any of you guys listen to Huberman Lab?

3:14

Are you fans of Andrew Huberman? I've watched

3:16

many of his videos. I've watched YouTubers who

3:19

implement his morning routine and his lifestyle stuff

3:21

that he recommends. You'll know him probably pretty

3:23

famously for being the guy who tells you

3:25

to wake up in the morning, go outside

3:27

and get a few minutes of sunlight every

3:30

day to sort of jumpstart your brain, get

3:32

a good dopamine hit, stay away from the

3:34

phone and the candy and the junk food

3:36

and all these different things. He's done many

3:38

a talk of cold plunges and sauna. He's

3:41

been on Joe Rogan a ton of times.

3:43

There's tons

3:45

where this guy's face has been seen. I

3:47

even went to see Andrew Huberman

3:49

when he did a show, shall we call

3:52

it, here in LA. He did a little

3:54

live talk that you could go to and

3:56

a friend had gifted us tickets. My boyfriend and I,

3:59

we went and watched. Andrew Huberman Live. It was

4:01

about the same stuff that you get out

4:03

of his podcast. But now we have this

4:05

article. So let me stop. We'll just actually

4:07

go through this together and we can read

4:09

some here. It says, Andrew

4:11

Huberman's mechanisms of control,

4:13

the private and public

4:15

seductions of the world's

4:18

biggest pop neuroscientist. That'll

4:21

give you a big head. The world's biggest pop

4:23

neuroscientist. Now this is written by

4:26

Carrie Howley, a features

4:28

writer for New York magazine since

4:30

2021. So I've read some of

4:32

this, as I said before, the

4:35

article really starts out talking

4:38

about Andrew Huberman's come up, you know,

4:40

all the different work that he's done,

4:42

how he was a little boy and

4:44

a family. And, you know, he wasn't

4:47

super happy growing up. He struggled with

4:49

a lot in life. One of the

4:51

main points being that he struggled with

4:53

his parents divorce and that sort of

4:55

led him down the pathway to therapy.

4:58

And whilst he was in therapy, he

5:00

sort of noticed the joys and wonders

5:02

of having experienced therapy. And that had

5:04

piqued his interest in some way, shape

5:06

or form, which is why he does

5:08

feature many a therapist on his show.

5:10

It goes through the fact that he

5:13

started this podcast that did deep dives

5:15

into some of the, you know, minutiae

5:17

in our life that we wouldn't think

5:19

needs needs or has research behind it.

5:21

But Huberman decided to look into it.

5:23

It paints him out as

5:25

a workhorse who really wanted to

5:27

dedicate his time to research and

5:29

sharing what he found in his

5:32

podcast says here. Which real quick, it's

5:34

worth mentioning by the way I just want to throw

5:36

this in there that I just looked it up. His

5:38

podcast is like top 10, top 11 podcasts in the

5:40

entire world, according to Spotify's charts. So

5:42

this is, if you're not familiar with Andrew Huberman,

5:44

he's a big deal in the non-mainstream

5:47

media world. And maybe that has to do with why

5:49

they might be going after him here as well. But

5:51

I just wanted to give that a little bit more

5:53

context as well. That he's a very, very big name

5:55

in the podcasting world. I did have to think about

5:57

that at first. I'm like, why would somebody want to make it? make

6:00

a hit piece against Andrew Huberman. What is

6:02

he doing that the mainstream media wouldn't necessarily

6:04

like? I don't have an

6:06

answer for that quite yet. But maybe

6:08

you guys can think of some. He's your 10-ball

6:10

hats out. Yeah, I mean, he's certainly

6:12

been platformed by, and I guess platforms

6:15

in return, people who are not well-liked

6:17

by the mainstream media. Joe Rogan is

6:20

one of the many there. But his

6:22

content is pretty tame, if you're familiar

6:24

with Huberman Lab and what he puts

6:26

out. So maybe it's just the benefit

6:28

of taking a megastar and maybe taking

6:30

them down a few notches. I

6:33

did just see this comment from GratefulOne

6:35

in the chat. And he said, Huberman

6:37

backs up common sense with neuroscience without

6:39

constantly pushing pharmaceuticals. Of course, they won't

6:41

discredit him. Whoa. So here comes the

6:43

tin foil tape. Where's my hat? There

6:45

might be there. There might. It

6:48

might be there. But let's get through some

6:50

of this article and see what we get

6:52

to. OK, of course, in the beginning, they

6:54

are painting the picture of who he is.

6:57

It says, millions of people feel compelled to

6:59

hear him draw distinctions between neuromodulators and classic

7:01

neurotransmitters. Many of those people will then adopt

7:03

an associated protocol. They will follow his elaborate

7:06

morning routine. They will model the most basic

7:08

functions of human life, sleeping, eating, seeing on

7:10

his sober advice. They will tell their friends

7:13

to do the same. He's not like other

7:16

bro podcasters, they will

7:18

say. And they will be correct. He is

7:20

a tenured Stanford professor associated with the Stanford

7:22

lab. He knows the difference between a neuromodulator

7:24

and a neurotransmitter. He is

7:26

just back from a sold out

7:29

tour in Australia, where he filled

7:31

the Sydney Opera House. Stanford, at

7:33

one point, hung signs saying, authorize

7:35

personnel only, apparently, to deter fans

7:38

in search of his lab. So

7:40

clearly, they're painting the picture of this sort

7:43

of mega popular man who's managed to rise

7:45

to fame in an arena that is not

7:47

typical when it comes to rising to fame.

7:50

Not many people want to hear about neuromodulators

7:52

and neurotransmitters and get somebody

7:54

to display the distinction between those two

7:56

things, but humor men manage to strike

7:58

that chord. Now, the They describe

8:00

him as like a mid-40s super

8:02

jacked, attractive guy in this article,

8:05

which I guess is true. If

8:07

you've seen Huberman do his little

8:09

Cam Haynes run lift shoot thing

8:11

where they go up a mountain,

8:14

he's pretty jacked. Yeah,

8:16

I'm secure enough in my masculinity to

8:18

admit that he is an attractive man,

8:21

even with this silver gray beard,

8:23

not that I'm trying to emulate

8:25

him here or anything, but he's got some going

8:27

on for sure. Yeah, so let's refer there.

8:29

It says, with this power comes the

8:31

power to lift other scientists out of

8:33

their narrow silos and turn them too

8:35

into celebrities. But these scientists will not

8:38

be Huberman whose personal appeal is distinct.

8:40

Here we have a broad-minded professor, puppishly

8:42

enamored with the wonders of biological function,

8:45

generous to interviewees, quote, I love to

8:47

be wrong, end quote, engaged in endearing

8:49

attempts to sound like a normal person.

8:51

Quote, now we all have to eat

8:53

and it's nice to eat foods that

8:56

we enjoy. I certainly do that. I

8:58

love food in fact, end quote. Okay.

9:02

So it's funny because when you

9:04

read into this article, it seemingly

9:07

is just a really well-written article. I always

9:09

like to look into some of the fun

9:11

things that they're doing with language to paint

9:13

a certain picture. And the picture so far

9:15

that I'm getting is that Huberman is like

9:17

this, bachelor 40 year

9:20

old workhorse who is not

9:22

normal in the fact that

9:24

he is attractive and popular

9:26

and engaging with a niche,

9:28

but tries to come off

9:30

as normal to sort of

9:32

place himself in the same position as other people.

9:34

But I've yet to hear an accusation

9:37

being made throughout this article. Now they

9:39

go through some more to explain where

9:42

he's at in life, who he's interviewing, people

9:45

like Peter Atiyah, who is I think been

9:47

featured on the show many a time. They

9:49

discuss the fact that Huberman has been in

9:52

therapy since high school and that he's seen

9:54

several therapists and that he's found this to

9:56

be really helpful for his mental health and

9:58

they go through more. and more of

10:01

that and they talk

10:03

about how he's gone through many

10:05

self-revelations. He must give

10:07

his story a shape that ultimately tends

10:10

towards inner strength, weakness overcome.

10:12

For Andrew Huberman to become your teacher

10:14

and mine, as he very much was

10:17

for a period this fall, a period

10:19

in which I diligently absorbed sun upon

10:21

waking, drink no more than once a

10:24

week, practice physiological size in

10:26

traffic and said to myself out loud in

10:28

my living room, I also, I also love

10:31

mechanism. A period which, oh sorry, a

10:33

period during which I

10:37

began to think seriously for the first time in my life

10:39

about reducing stress and during

10:41

which both my husband and my young

10:43

child saw tangible benefit from repeatedly immersing

10:45

ourselves in frigid water. So this writer

10:48

saying, I listened to Andrew Huberman, I

10:50

took on a lot of his advice.

10:52

Now, this paragraph is

10:55

interesting. Huberman sells

10:57

a dream of control down to the

10:59

cellular level, but something has gone wrong.

11:02

In the midst of immense fame, a chasm is

11:04

open between the podcaster preaching dopaminergic restraints

11:07

and a man with new found

11:09

wealth with access to a world

11:11

unseen by most professors. The problem

11:13

with a man always working on

11:16

himself is that he may also

11:18

be working on you. Ooh, spooky,

11:20

spooky. What's that movie with Christian

11:22

Bale where he's like a little

11:25

psycho serial killer. Same with that film. Why

11:27

is it escaping me? American

11:29

Psycho. American Psycho. That's the vibe that

11:32

I'm getting from this article so far that

11:34

Huberman is like this psychotic older guy who

11:36

wakes up in the morning and drenches himself

11:39

in sunlight before hopping in a cold plunge and

11:41

then he goes to work in his lab. So

11:43

again, we're wondering what are

11:46

the accusations here. We're going to get into them. They

11:49

start to express that

11:51

Huberman's love life. They start talking about

11:54

this woman by the name of Sarah

11:56

and we're going to read a little

11:58

bit about Sarah by this woman. wonderful

12:00

writer Carrie who is, you know, she's doing a good

12:02

job painting a picture here. She says,

12:04

by then, he had a partner, Sarah, which is

12:06

not her real name. Sarah was someone

12:08

who could talk to anyone about anything. She

12:11

was dewy and strong and in her mid-forties,

12:13

though she looked a decade younger, with two

12:15

small kids from a previous relationship. She had

12:18

old friends who adored her and no trouble

12:20

making new ones. She came across as scattered

12:22

in the way that she jumped readily from

12:24

topic to topic in conversation, losing the thread

12:27

before returning to it. But she was, in

12:29

fact, extremely organized. She was a woman who

12:31

kept track of things. She was an entrepreneur

12:33

who could organize a meeting, a skill she

12:36

would need later for reasons she could not

12:38

possibly have predicted. When I asked her a

12:40

question in her home recently, she said the

12:42

answer would be on an old phone. She

12:44

stood up, left for a moment, and returned

12:46

with a box labeled old phones. Now,

12:49

apparently, Sarah's relationship with Andrew Huberman started in 2018

12:51

in the Bay Area

12:53

where they both lived. He had

12:55

found her on Instagram, messaged her. They

12:58

started to hang out. Homegirl was interested

13:00

in Mr. Huberman. And

13:03

apparently, this became a devoted

13:05

relationship where they devoted themselves

13:07

to healthy living, exercise, good

13:09

food, good information. They cared

13:11

about their bodies. They cared

13:13

about just taking care of

13:16

one another. And she

13:18

describes herself as becoming

13:20

very doting during her relationship with Andrew

13:22

Huberman, that suddenly she was making him

13:24

food and tending to the kitchen and

13:27

all these different things. And she would

13:29

express this to her friends. And her

13:31

friends would say, Sarah, it doesn't sound

13:34

like you to take care of a man. And

13:36

I guess her friends had been a

13:38

little suspicious that maybe Andrew was creating

13:40

problems with her and turning her into

13:43

something that she's not. Now,

13:45

when it gets into arguments

13:47

that her and Andrew Huberman may have

13:49

had, apparently, according to Sarah, he was

13:52

very upset about her past relationships and

13:54

the past men that she had been

13:56

with. She says, quote,

13:58

I experienced his relationship. rage,"

14:00

end quote. And this

14:02

was apparently in reference to the topic

14:04

of the fact that she had two

14:06

prior children. She states that

14:09

he was particularly upset about the second

14:11

child, although a spokesperson on behalf of

14:13

Andrew Huberman says that this is a

14:16

lie. I'm going to

14:18

immediately ask, why do I

14:20

care? Why are we talking about this girl that

14:22

he has a personal relationship with that started in

14:24

2018 and is now leading us into, you know,

14:28

years further from that, why do I care?

14:30

And what does this have to do with

14:32

listening to Huberman Lab or taking in the

14:34

information that he's stating on his podcast of

14:37

waking up and taking in sunlight or, you

14:39

know, doing the cold plunge in the sauna

14:41

or whatever the case may be for the

14:43

information that you're taking in. So far, I

14:45

have no idea what this has to

14:47

do with the story. Now,

14:50

then it goes on to say, on Thanksgiving in 2018, Sarah

14:54

had planned to introduce Andrew to her

14:56

parents and close friends. She was cooking.

14:58

She was getting everything ready. And Andrew

15:00

texted her that he was going to

15:03

be late. Oh my goodness.

15:05

And apparently this went on and on

15:07

until he was going to be running

15:09

hours late. And then, of

15:11

course, all of these things

15:14

were planned around his arrival and he just

15:16

kept going, quote, Oh, I'm going to be

15:18

late. And then it's the night. It's the

15:20

end of the night. And he's like, Oh,

15:22

I'm so sorry that this happened. Okay. Again,

15:25

is so far,

15:27

the accusation is he dated a

15:29

girl and now she's doting

15:31

on him. And now he's like

15:33

late to things and doesn't care about other

15:35

people's time. You would think we were going

15:37

to get more than this. This

15:40

article then goes on to explain

15:42

Andrew Huberman habits when it comes

15:44

to meeting people on time and

15:46

like valuing their time and respecting

15:48

their time. It says Huberman disappearing

15:50

with something of a pattern. Friends,

15:52

girlfriends and colleagues describe him as

15:54

hard to reach. The list

15:57

of reasons for not showing up included

15:59

a book, timestamping the podcast Castello

16:02

wildfires and a meetings tunnel. He

16:04

is flaky and doesn't respond to

16:06

things says his friend Brian McKenzie

16:09

and then we go through this

16:11

whole few pages about

16:13

different times where he's flaked where

16:15

he said he was gonna be

16:17

somewhere where he in fact was

16:20

was not there. Yes the

16:22

New Yorker is dedicating their

16:24

time to telling you that

16:26

he flaked on meeting with his

16:28

friends but don't worry guys the

16:31

plot thickens and we do indeed

16:33

find out more they go more

16:35

into the arguments that he would

16:37

have with Sarah over her past

16:39

relationships and the fixation

16:42

that he apparently had on

16:44

her having had previous children

16:47

in a relationship they talk about an

16:49

argument that he got into with

16:52

a friend who had written a book and

16:54

wanted him to review some of the material

16:56

in the book that spoke about Andrew Huberman

16:58

and things that he had said or researched

17:01

he had emailed him several times hey Andrew I

17:03

need you to check this out Andrew didn't get

17:05

back email them again hey Andrew I need you to

17:07

check this out he didn't get back email them one last

17:09

time and said you know what I'm gonna finalize this

17:11

if you don't get back to me and look through

17:13

the research that I've placed in this book and

17:16

finally I guess he gets a call from

17:18

Andrew Huberman and Andrew Huberman explodes on him

17:20

on the phone how dare you you know

17:22

start publishing these things and it becomes this

17:25

whole vitriolic thing and the guy says I'd

17:27

never had you know somebody who I've respected

17:29

and research or a colleague go off on

17:31

me in this way I'm sorry what

17:34

does this have to do with Andrew Huberman

17:36

and Huberman lab and listening to that podcast

17:39

I get it she sounds a little shitty

17:41

in his personal life what

17:43

does that have to do with me and

17:45

why are you as a journalist going out

17:47

of your way to research this stuff writing

17:49

like a fluff piece where you paint them

17:51

out to be actually like a psycho and

17:54

then printing that out for the world

17:56

to view what is your goal here

17:58

in creating this article and what do

18:01

you hope that people do in the

18:03

wake of reading this article? Are we

18:05

gonna say I'm not gonna listen to

18:07

Huberman Lab and the research that he

18:09

is bringing to us and the experts

18:11

that he's bringing to us because he

18:13

treated his girlfriend bad

18:15

and he yelled at a

18:17

supposed friend on the phone

18:20

and he's flaky? This is why

18:23

we're calling it a hit piece because that

18:25

is exactly how you do a

18:28

hit piece. You don't talk to the

18:30

person themselves, you call the ex-girlfriend, you

18:32

call the guy that got yelled at

18:34

on the phone and maybe what are

18:36

probably some of his worst moments that

18:38

he would probably like to clarify, dispute,

18:40

and or express regret or apologize for

18:42

but no no no let's just construct

18:44

this narrative and this is this problem like

18:46

there's there's a long history in magazines like

18:49

Rolling Stone and New Yorker of having this

18:51

type of journalism where you do this like

18:53

very like lengthy in-depth profile and you go

18:55

into the inner workings of their lives and

18:57

you try to like paint a picture but

19:00

traditionally when you're painting a picture

19:02

of a person's life in a profile you

19:04

want to do them justice and you take

19:06

the long swaths of paragraphs of text and

19:08

digging deep into their life to try to

19:10

bring that person to life and show a

19:13

side of them that you wouldn't necessarily

19:15

see from an everyday perspective

19:17

but this is all done

19:20

seemingly with a specific intent

19:22

of trying to frame the facts of

19:25

his life in a certain way and

19:27

paint him in a

19:29

certain way so as to presumably

19:31

undercut his work or his credibility

19:33

in some way but no

19:35

matter how many attacks we keep hearing

19:38

they don't actually connect or have any

19:40

bearing on the primary focus of what

19:42

he does which is offer like science-backed

19:45

information on his podcast and that's why people

19:47

care about him so to go after him

19:49

for all these reasons it just you can't

19:51

help but feel like why are they doing

19:53

this it just feels like a pet peeve

19:56

yeah it does feel like they already knew

19:58

what the intention of the article was going

20:00

to be before they structured the article.

20:03

So they just needed to find pieces of

20:05

information that made him look bad to inject

20:07

into the article so that they could post

20:09

it out to people. And hopefully, I guess,

20:12

get you to stop watching Kuberman Lab. Of

20:14

course, the plot thickens. So

20:16

it says, in August of 2021, Sarah says

20:19

she read Andrew's journal and discovered

20:22

a reference to cheating. She

20:24

was, she says, gutted. I hear

20:26

you are saying you are angry and hurt.

20:28

He texted her the same day. I

20:30

will hear you as much, as long,

20:32

as needed for us. Andrew

20:35

and Sarah wanted children together,

20:37

Sarah states. Optimizers sometimes prefer

20:39

not to conceive naturally. One

20:41

can exert more control when

20:43

procreation involves a lab. Sarah

20:46

began the first of several

20:48

rounds of IVF. So

20:50

here's another picture they're trying to paint. Well,

20:52

first of all, if you cheated on her, that

20:55

sucks. You sound like a pretty horrible boyfriend, not

20:57

a cool thing to go through. Again, how does

20:59

it affect the research that I'm listening to on

21:01

your 200-year podcast? I'm not sure. I'm

21:04

not sure how that it all affects me as

21:06

the listener. But I get it. I feel bad for

21:08

you. And I certainly wouldn't date somebody who

21:11

does that to their previous partners. And that'd

21:13

be somebody who I'd stay away from. What

21:15

does it have to do with me? Now,

21:18

this girl undergoes IVF, apparently

21:21

out of a mutual decision

21:23

to do so. And

21:25

again, they're trying to paint

21:27

out this American psycho-type character

21:29

by saying one can exert

21:31

more control over procreation when

21:33

it involves a lab. I'm

21:36

sorry. A ton of people choose

21:39

to engage in IVF every single

21:41

day. And presumably, these

21:43

two individuals are in their, you

21:45

know, humans in his 40s. I

21:48

believe Sarah is also in her 40s. Wouldn't

21:50

it kind of make sense to be going down

21:52

the route of IVF? Why are you trying to

21:54

make it out as if he's trying to exert

21:56

control over her by having her do IVF? strange

22:00

and this is why we have to break

22:02

down the language that is used in these

22:04

articles because they're so often trying to paint

22:07

a certain picture for you. Now

22:09

throughout this article as they're detailing

22:11

the cheating that this woman discovers

22:13

that Andrew Huberman is engaging in,

22:15

they weave in episodes of his

22:17

podcast so that you guys get

22:19

the view that he is using

22:22

his podcast and the experts that

22:24

he talks to in order to

22:26

expand his knowledge of therapy and

22:28

then use it to manipulate the

22:30

woman that he's in a relationship with. Now I don't

22:32

know if that's true or false,

22:34

I'm just telling you what this

22:36

article says. It says here quote,

22:39

I'd be remiss if I didn't ask

22:41

about truth telling and deception. Andrew told

22:44

evolutionary psychologist David Buss on a November

22:46

2021 episode of Huberman

22:48

Lab called, How Humans Select and Keep

22:50

Romantic Characters in Short and Long Term.

22:53

They were talking about regularities across

22:55

cultures in mate preferences. Quote,

22:58

could you tell us, end quote, Andrew

23:00

asked quote, about how men and women

23:03

leverage deception versus truth telling and communicating

23:05

some of the things around mates, mate's

23:08

choice selection. Then the

23:10

expert says effective tactics, tactics

23:12

for men are often displaying

23:14

cues to long-term interest. Men

23:17

tend to exaggerate the depths

23:19

of their feeling for a

23:21

woman. Andrew says let's talk

23:23

about infidelity in committed relationships. I'm guessing

23:25

it does happen. The expert

23:27

says men who have affairs tend to have

23:30

affairs with a larger number of affair partners

23:32

and so which, sorry,

23:35

and so which then by

23:37

definition can't be long-lasting. You

23:39

can't have long-term affairs with

23:41

six different partners. Okay so

23:43

clearly they're trying to say

23:46

Andrew's having conversations about infidelity

23:48

and cheating and deception

23:50

with experts and the experts are giving

23:52

the knowledge that he then uses against

23:54

these women. But what I actually find

23:57

quite hilarious is that if We

24:00

are at listening to the podcast and

24:02

juxtaposing that with Andrew Life where he

24:04

is cheating on this woman with multiple

24:06

women. It only reinforces that the research

24:09

that they're giving you on the podcast

24:11

is correct. So

24:13

if the researchers as you know, men

24:15

typically have a time of romantic partners

24:17

when they're cheating and they're not long

24:19

lasting and you know who cheat multiple

24:21

times on the same woman and air to

24:24

humans going to move, move, move, knowing

24:26

damn well that that's right about his

24:28

own life than the research that you're

24:30

getting on Human Lab A seemingly accurate.

24:34

It as we honor. Know. Where

24:36

I'm gonna read or records you guys are going

24:38

crazy in the chart like they're marking how silly

24:40

some of these lines of attack car on whom

24:42

in their to the also leave the toilet seat

24:44

up to be produced with a twist, tie back

24:47

on the bread study, take the trash out and

24:49

I'll put a replacement bargain. It's what a horrible

24:51

human him. Like, Okay, I

24:53

get it, these are not things that I

24:55

want to deal with in my personal life

24:57

coming from a partner. But what does this

24:59

have to do with his credibility as a

25:01

scientist in a researcher? It really doesn't And

25:03

it feels like you what happened with you

25:05

got together a bunch of bitter women to

25:07

com and video a ton of information and

25:10

you thought. Well, since I don't have any

25:12

actual credible arguments to discredit what he's doing

25:14

on a day to day basis, I'm going

25:16

to try to knock him down a peg

25:18

by bringing up affairs that he's had and

25:20

people who he cheated with. And they do.

25:22

fine thing so i mean that's that's

25:24

very clear now how that changes your

25:26

judgment of somebody that you're going to

25:28

for research and information about your your life

25:30

i don't know if i was going

25:32

to a doctor to help cure a

25:34

disease or help with symptoms that i'm

25:36

experiencing so i don't sit down with

25:38

the doctor and say how's your relationship with

25:41

your wife and how often have you

25:43

have he cheated on her i go

25:45

to the doctor i get the information

25:47

that i know he's hopefully knowledgeable on

25:49

and i go home and implement that in

25:51

my life has nothing to do with

25:53

what the doctors doing and his personal

25:55

time and the sack that it's just

25:57

because you gain popularity it's can go

25:59

and insert themselves into your life like this

26:01

and air out your dirty laundry. It's insane.

26:03

Now, mind you, what he did to this

26:06

one, to these women, if true, is

26:08

not okay. But damn, the

26:10

old one, all your dirty laundry aired out as soon

26:12

as you become popular because somebody likes your podcast.

26:15

That's crazy. Crazy. Yeah. And

26:17

it just seems beneath, uh,

26:20

an institution that is supposedly supposed to

26:23

be like a respectable journalistic outlet like

26:25

the New Yorker to be using their

26:27

resources to go after him in this

26:29

way, which again, if there were legitimate

26:32

reasons to doubt his credibility as

26:34

a neuroscientist, as a voice in

26:36

the public who is espousing information,

26:38

then let's hear them.

26:40

But to just go after his personal

26:43

life, it's just, you're reducing yourself to

26:45

like the gossip rag, you know, instead

26:47

of being a serious journalistic

26:49

outlet. And one of the thought is

26:52

we talk all the time on the

26:54

show about just how difficult it is

26:56

to sift through all the abundance of

26:58

information that is out there right now,

27:00

especially in sort of the post COVID

27:02

BLM era, where so many institutions, uh,

27:05

just through their credibility, by the

27:07

wayside with a lot of Americans, a

27:09

lot of people worldwide where we aren't

27:11

sure we're still hearing, it seems like

27:13

every week, the new information that arises

27:15

where different institutions are saying, well, we

27:17

were actually wrong about this treatment, or

27:19

we were wrong about that. Uh, when

27:21

we, we did the lockdowns or whatever.

27:23

And little by little, they're expressing regret

27:25

for things that were imposed at the

27:27

time. And so people have a reason

27:29

to doubt the credibility of so many

27:31

institutions. And in the wake of that,

27:34

you have podcasters like, uh, Huberman, who

27:36

have taken the approach of saying, I'm

27:38

only going to tell you things that, uh,

27:40

I can back up with research. I'm going

27:42

to talk to credible researchers and we're, I

27:44

don't have an agenda here. I'm not trying

27:46

to sell you pharmaceuticals. Like someone said earlier

27:49

in the chat, I mean, obviously like he's

27:51

a successful podcast, he's making money off it.

27:53

But that comes with earning people's trust, uh,

27:55

because the institutions have abdicated their responsibility to

27:58

maintain people's trust and it's. to

28:00

me, like a lot of what can be

28:02

motivating the animus against humor men on the

28:05

part of the mainstream media journalistic institutions is

28:07

their desire to have a monopoly on narrative,

28:09

their desire to have a monopoly on the

28:11

truth and what is acceptable information. So you

28:14

see someone like him gaining a lot of

28:16

traction and attention and they're

28:18

like, oh no, we don't want people listening

28:20

to him. We want them to only be

28:22

listening to us. A hundred percent.

28:24

That's what they would just want to discredit

28:26

anything that falls outside of the mechanisms of

28:29

control that they have, which is so funny

28:31

because this whole article is meant to accuse

28:33

Andrew Huberman of having like this psychotic need

28:35

for control over his work life and the

28:37

girls that he's with. And he tells lies

28:39

in order to make that control, you know,

28:41

uh, more and more privy

28:44

to him when actually what you're trying to

28:46

do is control the narrative and control what

28:48

people see. Now this article dedicates one

28:51

paragraph, one paragraph

28:53

to AG one greens, which

28:55

if you guys watch Huberman lab, you

28:57

know, that he's sponsored by AG one

28:59

greens, athletic greens, where it's like a

29:01

little green drink powder that you can

29:03

like drink in the morning and it's

29:05

supposed to be full of vitamins and

29:07

probiotics or whatever. Now this one

29:09

paragraph talks about the possible problem

29:12

that most of the probiotics in

29:14

the AG one greens are not

29:16

concentrated enough to actually colonize, which

29:18

is an interesting assertion. If you're

29:21

listening to a researcher and he's

29:23

telling you that you should buy

29:25

AG one greens and then you

29:28

purchase a AG one greens and they're actually

29:30

not effective, maybe that's what you should have

29:32

dedicated the article to the research that you

29:35

go to for your morning routine and night

29:37

routine is sponsored by something that actually isn't

29:39

effective. I don't know whether or not that's

29:41

true. That's clearly the assertion that they're trying

29:43

to make in this article, but they only

29:45

give it one paragraph and they probably only

29:47

give it one paragraph because they don't have

29:49

enough research to back the fact that AG

29:52

one is not good for you. So

29:54

they sprinkle that in, in and

29:56

amongst the cheating allegations that they're

29:58

accusing this man of. And then they

30:01

go right back to detailing the cheating allegations.

30:04

What? What? Make

30:06

that mix. This guy's so weird.

30:09

Okay. So it

30:11

goes on to say, you know,

30:13

Sarah has some suspicions about Andrew

30:16

having conversations with another woman. They're

30:19

still going through this process of IVF

30:21

and the IVF is not taking and

30:23

while they're in this process, they're cohabitating

30:26

with one another. They're going on trips.

30:28

And she continues to say that Andrew's

30:30

rage was growing with cohabitation. He would

30:33

get more and more angry at her

30:36

and that again, he would

30:38

get upset about the fact that she had prior

30:40

relationships and he had asked her

30:43

to sort of detail to her all

30:45

the bad decisions that she's made, including

30:47

her second child and like just

30:49

regurgitate it back to him, which again,

30:51

if you're doing that with your partner,

30:53

you're weird. You're a little freak. I

30:55

don't know if it's true that he

30:57

actually did this. But again, being a

31:00

bad partner ain't got nothing to do

31:02

with your research. OK, so we're

31:04

going to keep reading. Says they were

31:06

on a camping trip, apparently,

31:09

where Sarah noticed that she

31:11

and Andrew could not

31:13

go out without being thronged by people.

31:15

They go on this camping trip. They

31:17

bring the syringes for their IVF. And

31:20

at one point during this trip or

31:23

sorry, later that month, Sarah

31:25

decides to grab Andrew's phone after

31:28

when he had left it in the bathroom.

31:30

So she grabs the phone after he left

31:32

in the bathroom. She goes scrolling through his text,

31:34

much like she went through the journal and found

31:36

the cheating references. And she found conversations with

31:38

a woman that they are going to call

31:40

Eve. It's probably also not her real name.

31:43

And some of them took place during

31:45

the previous camping trip that they had

31:47

taken. Now, clearly, he's cheating

31:49

on baby girl Sarah with Eve.

31:52

And he says, quote, your feelings matter

31:54

to Eve on a day where he

31:57

had injected his girlfriend with HCG, which

31:59

is for. IVF, quote, I'm

32:02

actually very much a caretaker, quote, I'm

32:04

back on grid tomorrow and would love

32:06

to see you this weekend. So she

32:08

finds out that Andrew is cheating on

32:11

Sarah with Eve

32:14

and they get into this whole

32:16

discovery. Eve's an actress, they met

32:18

on Raya, blah, blah, blah, blah,

32:20

blah, and they're having conversations. As

32:22

their relationship intensified over the years,

32:24

he talked often about the family

32:26

that he one day wanted, quote,

32:28

our children would be amazing, end

32:31

quote, he said. She asked

32:33

for book recommendations and he suggested jokingly,

32:35

Huberman, why we made babies, quote, I'm

32:37

at the stage of life where I

32:39

truly want to build a family, he

32:41

told her, that's a resounding theme for

32:43

me. Goes on. Now in

32:45

September of 2022, Eve noticed

32:48

that Sarah was looking at her

32:50

Instagram stories, not commenting or liking,

32:52

just looking impulsively. Eve messaged her.

32:55

Is there anything you'd rather ask

32:57

me directly? She said they set

32:59

up a call, quote,

33:01

fuck you, Andrew, end quote.

33:03

She messaged him. Sarah moved

33:05

out in August of 2023. Okay.

33:10

Does this sound like actual journalism or does

33:13

it sound like drama that we talked about

33:15

when we were 15 in high school of

33:17

finding out that the boys were cheating and

33:19

Sarah and Eve were both talking to Andrew

33:22

at the same time? My goodness. Now, mind

33:24

you, there's higher stakes in the fact that

33:26

he's pretending to, I guess,

33:28

commit to this woman and they're going through

33:30

this process of IVF. That sucks for you.

33:33

And, you know, I, I wish you

33:35

all the best in healing on your

33:37

journey of getting over this man. But

33:40

in maybe instead of talking to the New Yorker, like

33:43

a crazy ex who was

33:45

scorned, maybe you should go

33:47

deal and heal from

33:49

what that man did to you because we don't

33:51

need to be hearing about all this. I'm sorry.

33:53

This is giving crazy acts. It really is. And

33:55

I know he did you wrong, baby girl, but

33:58

we need to let it rest. I think

34:00

that'd be best. Okay. So also

34:05

she read his journal and it had references

34:07

of cheating years prior. Okay. She goes through

34:09

the man's phone and she finds out that

34:11

he's cheating on her. What's

34:14

happening between September of 2022 and

34:16

August of 2023 that you're still

34:18

with this man and have to move out? Why

34:21

are you putting up with this

34:23

behavior for so long and staying

34:25

with a man who twice now

34:27

you found out was cheating on you

34:30

in some way, shape or form? This is just a

34:32

question I have. Y'all are going to accuse me of

34:34

victim blaming, but I've

34:36

been cheated on before. Okay. And

34:38

I've been there too. And I made the

34:40

wrong decision too. And I blame accountability, accountability.

34:43

I should have left a hundred percent. I

34:45

should have left not even, even if I

34:48

had a feeling I was being cheated on, I

34:50

should have left. So in my situation,

34:52

when I was with somebody, I had little, I was

34:56

thinking like, he's giving vibes of cheating.

34:58

I never had it confirmed. I didn't have

35:00

it confirmed until the relationship ended. But

35:03

if you're finding out twice that somebody's cheating on you, why

35:05

are you staying where somebody does

35:08

not want you in this situation? Anyways,

35:11

they continue more and more.

35:13

She's going through this relationship. Sarah leaves

35:16

his ass apparently, or sorry, she doesn't

35:18

leave. She moves out in August of

35:20

2023, but she remains

35:22

in a committed relationship with Huberman.

35:26

So now you're just giving him the freedom to have

35:28

his place back apparently so that he can keep bringing

35:30

hoes around. Anyways.

35:33

Okay. So she moves out and then

35:35

she stays in the relationship with Andrew

35:37

Huberman. It goes on and on and

35:40

on. Okay. On January 11th,

35:42

a woman that we'll call Alex began

35:44

liking all of Sarah's Instagram posts, seven

35:46

of them in one minute. Sarah messaged

35:48

her saying, quote, I think you're friends

35:50

with my ex Andrew Huberman. Are you

35:52

one of the women he cheated on

35:55

me with? End quote. Alex

35:57

is an intense, direct, highly educated

35:59

woman. who lives in New York. She

36:01

was sleeping with Andrew and she had no

36:03

idea that there had been a girlfriend. Quote, fuck,

36:05

she said. I think we should talk. Over

36:07

the following weeks, Sarah and Alex never stopped texting.

36:10

Quote, she helped me hold my boundary against

36:13

him, says Sarah. Keep him blocked. She said

36:15

you need to let go of the idea

36:17

of him. So now we have baby girl

36:19

number three. We got Sarah, we got Eve,

36:21

we got Alex. He

36:25

is, he's collecting. He

36:27

is collecting. He's collecting. Now

36:30

there was a day in Texas when

36:32

after Sarah left his hotel, Andrew slept

36:34

with Mary. Now we got Mary, another

36:38

girl and texted Eve.

36:42

Okay. So we got Mary, we got

36:44

Eve. I'm looking for Adam. I'm looking

36:46

for Joseph. And we're collecting all the

36:48

biblical names in his, in

36:52

his, in his sexcapade. Okay. So

36:54

he's racking up these girls. Anyways,

36:57

they're all finding out about each other.

36:59

And this whole thing is just an

37:01

expose about him. Now he

37:03

would send them some of the like

37:05

same text messages and same pictures. Apparently

37:07

they realized on March 21st of 2021,

37:09

a day of admittedly impressive

37:13

logical jujitsu. While Sarah was in Berkeley,

37:15

Andrew had flown Mary from Texas to

37:17

LA to stay with him in Topanga.

37:20

While Mary was there sitting, visiting

37:22

from thousands of miles away, he left

37:24

her with Costello. He drove to a

37:26

coffee shop where he met Eve. They

37:29

had a serious talk about their relationship.

37:32

They thought they were in a good place. He

37:34

wanted to make it work. Phone

37:37

died. He texted Mary who

37:39

was waiting back at the place in

37:41

Topanga and later to Eve. Thank you

37:44

for being so next, next level,

37:47

gorgeous and sexy. Sleep well, beautiful.

37:49

He texted Sarah. The

37:51

scheduling alone. Alex tells me I can

37:53

barely schedule three zooms in one day.

37:56

You know what? He's a Stanford researcher.

37:58

He's so used to looking

38:00

at different subjects and specimen all day that he

38:02

can do the same in his uh in

38:05

his dating life. Now mind y'all this is

38:08

already, this is already aired

38:10

out. That's why I'm uh I'm reading this but

38:12

I can't lie I'm being entertained. I'm being

38:14

entertained by this storyline and everything that is

38:16

being divulged here and I guess that means

38:18

that means I'm part of the problem because

38:20

I'm the reason that somebody like the New Yorker

38:22

would put out an article like this but I

38:25

don't support the messaging behind the article

38:27

right? They're trying to completely discredit this

38:29

man for what he's done in his

38:31

personal life. They even detail like the

38:33

kind of woman that he's attracted to

38:35

and why he goes after them and

38:37

how the women are similar but different

38:39

at the same time and I'm not

38:41

going to read there's more of this

38:43

article to go through and read. The

38:46

craziest part to me actually

38:48

has nothing to do with

38:50

Andrew Huberman. The girls, the ladies who

38:53

are all in question here with

38:55

their fake names Alex, Mary, Sarah,

38:57

Eve, whatever they apparently

38:59

found some sort of reddit

39:01

thread I guess where people are talking about their

39:03

supposed experience with Andrew Huberman who knows if it's

39:05

real who knows if it's fake and

39:08

they are giving themselves nicknames they're

39:10

accusing him of having a stable

39:13

of hoes okay and these girls

39:15

apparently joined this group this online

39:17

group I don't know if it's on reddit or you

39:19

know whatever website it's on. Now Sarah comes

39:21

in at the end of the article and

39:24

says this group has radicalized me says

39:27

there's been so much processing

39:29

they are planning a weekend

39:31

together in summer they

39:34

are planning a weekend together this summer

39:37

the girls that he cheated with and

39:40

engaged with are planning a

39:42

weekend together this summer quote it

39:44

could have been sad or bitter

39:46

says Eve we didn't jump in

39:48

as besties but real friendships have

39:50

built it has been

39:53

in a strange and unlikely way

39:55

quite a beautiful experience okay

39:59

so If it's been such a beautiful

40:01

experience, what are y'all doing writing up this

40:03

article trying to expose my man Andrew Huberman if he

40:05

led you to your besties? That

40:07

man is doing good work for you if he's leading you

40:10

to your best friends. This is so

40:12

strange to me and this is a very common

40:14

thing that happens when men

40:16

cheat, which mind you, horrible, okay?

40:19

Wouldn't recommend dating this guy after reading

40:21

the article given his supposed track record

40:24

with these women, although I don't know

40:26

how credible these women are. Just

40:28

get that out of the way. If a man

40:30

cheats on you, why are you

40:32

meeting up with the girls that he cheated with

40:35

for like a weekend, you know, a little ski

40:37

trip? Why are you

40:39

going to a resort in the summer to hang out with

40:41

the girls who he cheated on you with? It's giving weird.

40:44

It's giving psycho. Even though you're

40:46

trying to paint him out to be the psycho, it's really

40:48

strange to like build like a

40:50

blood brother group with the girls who he's

40:52

slept with so that you can what just

40:54

like talk about him more. Even though you're

40:56

no longer with him, it's

40:58

really weird to make your entire life about the guy

41:01

who cheated on you and you should probably, you

41:04

should probably move on because at some

41:06

point there's somebody who did

41:08

a horrible thing to you and you like heal from

41:10

it and you move past it and you acknowledge it

41:12

and you go, you know what? That person has their

41:15

own problems. I would never be with that person again.

41:17

I learned my lesson from that person. I hope he

41:19

doesn't get another woman. It's

41:22

different to like go and then make your

41:24

whole life about it. Make all your friendships

41:26

about it. Start developing resort weekends during the

41:28

summer to meet up with all the other

41:30

girls that he slept with so you can

41:32

like talk about Andrew and detail your traumatic

41:35

experiences because then you're making your life about

41:37

the person who wronged you. Do you want

41:39

them to have that much of a presence

41:41

in your life after they've done something so

41:43

wrong to you? Do you then want to

41:45

make your entire life about this person who's

41:48

done something wrong? And of course you have

41:50

the added dig of like him becoming famous

41:52

and popular and I bet that really sucks.

41:54

I bet a lot more women are throwing

41:56

themselves at him because of his status and

41:58

where he's out with his career. But.

42:01

Month. Or we can be a little better. But.

42:04

Not too bitter or the really the chill. Why

42:10

take one vacation with the family when you

42:12

could take all of them? With Royal Caribbean,

42:14

you don't just go to the beach. You

42:16

visit a private island and race down the

42:18

tallest waterslide in North America. You

42:20

don't just go for a road trip, you

42:23

ATV and zip-line through the jungle.

42:25

You don't just go somewhere new.

42:28

You repel down waterfalls and discover

42:30

ancient temples. Because this isn't just

42:32

any vacation. This is all the

42:35

vacations. Come seek the Royal Caribbean.

42:37

Ships Registry Bahamas. Hey. Hey there! Did

42:40

you know Kroger always gives you savings and

42:42

rewards on top of our lower than low

42:44

prices? And when you download the Kroger app,

42:46

you'll enjoy over $500 in savings every week

42:49

with digital coupons. And don't forget fuel points

42:51

to help you save up to $1 per

42:54

gallon at the pump. Wanna. Want to save even

42:56

more? With a boost membership, you'll get double

42:58

fuel points and free delivery. So shop and

43:01

save big at Kroger today! Kroger.

43:03

Kroger, fresh for everyone. Savings may

43:05

vary by state. Restrictions apply. See

43:07

site for details. It's

43:11

do It Reminds me avoid watch

43:13

the like Netflix both I part

43:15

documentaries on women who was were

43:18

spinner to tinder, swindler or yeah

43:20

in these were crazy religious cults

43:22

and were abused in the situations

43:24

like that. And in that extreme

43:26

circumstances I could see. You.

43:28

Know wanting to maybe build camaraderie with

43:30

people who have gone through the same

43:33

experience to kind of processor trauma together?

43:35

bugs? This is mostly. There's some crazy

43:37

elements to what they allege with. How

43:39

things went down and how he was circling the

43:42

women. But for the most part it's kind of

43:44

garden variety, you know, players. Gonna play

43:46

and even. Some. something that

43:48

again or not justifiable that not good things

43:50

to do and should not be hooked on

43:53

well and like you said would not recommend

43:55

stating someone if they are engaging in a

43:57

sort of behavior but it's as you're not

43:59

like a victim of a cult

44:01

or like something's that dramatic and

44:03

it does just smell

44:06

like you haven't moved on, you haven't processed

44:08

this in a healthy way or you have

44:10

some need to like cling to this to

44:13

get a feeling of

44:15

significance about it. So just a

44:17

weird button on what is a

44:19

very weird story with a lot

44:22

of weird threads to it that

44:24

ultimately seem to have absolutely nothing

44:26

to do with the credibility

44:29

of Andrew Hebermann and the whole time you're reading

44:32

these these details I'm like I

44:34

shouldn't be hearing this for them. If

44:37

it doesn't have anything to do with public

44:39

statements he's made like his actual it doesn't

44:41

undercut anything that he said necessarily like

44:43

it's just why are we hearing this

44:46

it just feels like dirty like I'm

44:48

listening to gossip and I hate that

44:50

and I hate that the New Yorker

44:52

has descended to this level

44:54

though who knows how high they've been of

44:57

late but yeah it's just just

44:59

a whole weird situation weird thing to go

45:01

after Hebermann in this way. It is I'm

45:03

like okay it's one thing if you write a

45:05

whole article like I said about like Hebermann

45:08

is sponsored by AG1 Greens and he's

45:11

like sharing this on every single podcast

45:13

and it turns out that AG1 Greens

45:15

is not effective whatsoever. Oh shoot

45:18

that's a hit piece that's something that like

45:20

oh let me let me actually hear that

45:22

out and see if there's something to it

45:24

or you know his research isn't as valid

45:26

as he he makes it out to be

45:28

or this expert who's been

45:30

on his show has been discredited obviously none

45:32

of that was present in this article but

45:34

yeah those are interesting things that I think

45:36

actually impact the people who are listening to

45:38

his podcast not what he does in his personal

45:41

life like mind you there are a ton of

45:43

people who we go to for advice wisdom

45:45

to help us with our lives ton

45:47

of people who we respect admire whatever

45:49

the case may be who lead very

45:51

abysmal personal lives that we would by

45:54

no means you know want to be

45:56

a part of or want to be

45:58

privy to that should not

46:00

affect the way that you

46:02

are viewed in the work that you

46:04

are doing. Unless that's coming to interfere

46:06

with your work in some way, shape,

46:09

or form, it just don't

46:11

make sense to me. I

46:14

guess we'll see if he responds to it.

46:16

There's several responses from a spokesperson who says,

46:18

you know, these stories aren't true, or they

46:20

actually happened in a far different light, or

46:22

the IVF wasn't actually to have babies, they

46:24

just wanted to create embryos just in case,

46:26

all these different things. I

46:29

don't know, like what, if I was him, I would

46:32

just be like, you know,

46:34

it depends, it depends on how true some of this stuff

46:36

is. I would be like, you know, what does it have

46:39

to do with my podcast? What does it have to do

46:41

with you listening? I think Taylor said I wouldn't, he wouldn't

46:43

even respond. I

46:45

mean, depending on the merits of the claims and

46:48

whether I thought they were actually relevant to like

46:50

your credibility, but just

46:52

real quick, do you have anything to say to

46:54

us, you know, a couple comments to be effective,

46:56

like, why are you guys so intent on defending

46:58

Huberman? Are you just promoting his podcast, your Huberman

47:00

fanboys? Like, what's your response to this? Because I

47:02

feel like it's more about the principle at hand,

47:04

right? Yeah, I don't listen to Huberman. So

47:06

I've listened to his morning

47:09

routine. And like I

47:11

said, I've watched other YouTubers implement his morning routine. And I

47:13

love the idea of going out and getting a sunlight or

47:15

nothing. I didn't know virtually

47:17

anything about this man other than the

47:19

fact that he was at Stanford. And

47:21

I got tickets to see his show

47:23

in LA from a friend. So

47:26

that's about all I knew about Homeboy.

47:29

I don't feel any incessant need to defend

47:32

him. If his research has been

47:34

discredited, or his podcast has been discredited, then by

47:36

all means, let's have a discussion about why you

47:38

shouldn't listen to Huberman Lab or like why it

47:40

might not be the best implement information to implement

47:43

in your life. We just didn't get this. And

47:46

I want you all to think about,

47:48

I don't know, anything in your life

47:50

that has created drama in your personal

47:53

life or a past relationship that didn't

47:55

go so well. And then imagine a

47:57

journalist finding that person. into

48:00

a separate success story that you're

48:02

having where you're doing well in a career

48:04

that has nothing to do with your relationship

48:06

with that last person and then a journalist

48:08

just taking notes and publishing it

48:11

to discredit what you're doing now. It's

48:14

not okay. It doesn't make sense. I

48:16

mean we've seen this happen a ton.

48:19

We at Lynx covered the Russell brand

48:21

allegations on this show and I said

48:23

as a fan of Russell brand some

48:25

of these allegations sound credible and should

48:28

be investigated. Now the nature of the

48:30

hit piece I think had a real

48:33

big bend towards just bringing down Russell

48:35

as somebody who speaks out against mainstream

48:38

media and legacy media and I think

48:40

they wanted to take him down by

48:42

any means necessary but some of those

48:44

allegations had were sounding a

48:46

little credible and a little detailed and at

48:48

least needed to be looked into to some

48:50

extent hopefully from law enforcement not

48:53

from from journalists but this

48:56

is just not checking out. I saw

48:58

the thing like falling for Huberman which

49:00

is hilarious that this is the way

49:02

that they marketed this falling for Huberman

49:04

as if you the audience member is

49:06

the one who's falling for the great

49:08

Andrew Huberman when in reality they're talking

49:10

about women that he slept with. That's

49:14

not right so there's some intentional

49:16

ambiguity there to already kind of undermined

49:18

his credibility just by the cover that

49:20

they're putting on it and I will

49:23

say like one last thought on his

49:25

why we're defending him or whatever like

49:27

it would be one thing if the

49:29

nature of his podcasts were that he

49:31

was dispensing advice about relationships and portraying

49:34

himself as like this monogamous person and

49:36

it was like sharing his opinions on

49:38

how to have successful relationships not because

49:40

here's some research and here's a scientific

49:43

researcher who has some thoughts on this

49:45

but here's my own opinion on how

49:47

to manage successful relationships how to be

49:49

faithful things like that if

49:51

he was living in a way that was inconsistent

49:53

than that and that came to light then yeah

49:55

I think that's relevant for the public to know

49:57

because he's being a hypocrite in that regard but

49:59

like Like we said, so far

50:01

as I'm aware, I don't think that anything that's

50:03

come to light really has anything to do with

50:06

claims that he's made or things that he's represented

50:08

on his show in particular. And that's why I

50:10

think it's not really fair game to go after

50:12

his personal life when that's

50:15

entirely separate from what he's been using

50:17

his public platform for. Yeah. And

50:19

if this is true, I hope you don't get another

50:21

girlfriend until he pulls his stuff together because apparently he's

50:24

out there playing in y'all faces. So

50:27

he needs to clean up his

50:29

relationship act before he invests himself

50:31

in another long term committed relationship.

50:34

Very clearly. He needs to add another minute

50:37

to that daily ice bath. Exactly. He's

50:39

not getting the proper amount of dopamine, so he's

50:41

finding it from other women. Okay. Sorry.

50:45

Okay. Let me stop. Let me cut

50:47

the jokes. Cut the jokes. Cut the

50:50

show. Yeah, no. So clearly

50:52

he has some work to do in

50:54

his own personal endeavors. But again, does

50:56

that have anything to do with the

50:58

research? No, it doesn't. But also, how

51:00

did these women not see it? He's like

51:02

48 years old. I think he's single with

51:04

no kids. He's jacked and a

51:06

workhorse. Did you think he was going to be

51:09

Mr. Commitment? I'm

51:11

sorry. I don't know. Maybe

51:14

he, of course, it seems like he lied to them. It does

51:16

seem like he lied to them. But also,

51:20

intuition is key. The

51:23

first girl, I don't know about the other girls, the first

51:25

girl had several signs to get the hell out of there

51:27

and now is making an article for the New Yorkers. So

51:29

she needs to chill. And we're going

51:31

to get into your super chat. Whole

51:36

things like I went in posting their elves

51:38

almost. If you stuck with

51:40

me through the story, you guys,

51:42

hopefully, hopefully this was interesting. And we

51:44

got through it. Like I said, we were going to

51:46

do, we were going to react to Jubilee today and

51:48

do the like queer in

51:50

the closet versus queer out of the closet.

51:52

And then this article popped up and I

51:55

read through it and I just I

51:57

could sniff that something was a foot. There

52:00

was a mystery afoot in this article and

52:02

somebody was playing games. So we had to

52:04

go through it today. I didn't do it

52:07

full justice as I could have, you know,

52:09

really broken down the story for you a little

52:11

bit more, but it's all right. We got

52:13

what we needed. All right. And, you

52:15

know, it's it was entertaining,

52:17

not going to lie, but also made

52:19

for an interesting conversation on the principles

52:21

at hand and the purpose of media,

52:23

the way that they want to discredit

52:26

him, things like that. So I think

52:28

you'll got your your time's worth out

52:30

of this. Even if it was

52:32

a very like spurious sort of piece. I'm

52:34

trying to think like, what would my hit piece

52:36

from New Yorker be about? I'm really trying to dive

52:39

deep here in my brain. Think about what

52:42

would my hit piece be when I figured

52:44

out? I'll let you guys know. I'll let I'll

52:46

get ahead of the New Yorker and let you

52:49

know about any dubiousness in my personal life. Well,

52:52

if you'll have any ideas to drop them in the chat.

52:55

I was collecting some of y'all jokes about things,

52:58

innocuous things that Huberman did that the New Yorker

53:00

wouldn't like. So he used a map instead of

53:02

GPS. He does math

53:05

with a pen. The

53:07

only uses of a day he put pineapple on

53:09

pizza and he sits in the front

53:11

row at a movie theater. Dude, it's hilarious. Like

53:13

some of the things that they felt you

53:16

could tell that they didn't have enough to

53:18

create an entire article. So they just had

53:20

to like throw some pieces in there. Like

53:22

he didn't make it to meet

53:24

your parents on Thanksgiving. I'm sorry. That

53:27

sucks. But also why am I reading

53:29

this right now? Very

53:32

weird. Exactly. Weird behavior.

53:35

All right, guys, your turn. We're going to

53:37

read your super chat. First

53:39

one from today is from BG who says,

53:42

love you guys. Love you both. Oh,

53:44

I appreciate that. Thank you. Great

53:47

way to kick us off. Thank you. Deport

53:49

all three or four, which you can guess who

53:51

that is. Hey there, A and T. Ladies,

53:54

don't ever take advice from your single

53:56

girlfriend. Misery loves company. They are trying

53:58

to make you single. as a

54:00

coke. I think sometimes that's true,

54:03

but not all the time. I've

54:05

gotten some amazing dating advice from

54:07

single people that has helped me

54:09

along the way. So sometimes it's

54:11

true. Sometimes it's not. Marry

54:14

people can say dumb things or

54:17

smart things. People can say smart things or

54:19

dumb things or wise things. I should say.

54:22

What's wise? What does that look like?

54:25

He goes on to say RP advice

54:27

for women. Don't date someone like Huberman.

54:29

He may have money and status, but

54:31

that doesn't make him a good guy.

54:33

Take notes, ladies. Yeah, I don't. After

54:35

this, maybe don't date a Huberman. Yeah,

54:38

but also he could have

54:40

been a straight up, you know, straight up

54:42

somebody who fits that mold. So you know,

54:44

you could be crazy. You never, never

54:47

leave out the opportunity, the

54:49

possibility that somebody is crazy and making

54:51

up lies. The

54:55

very good discerner of character. That's good

54:57

advice. No matter what

54:59

type of guy, date or girl. Atticus69

55:02

says, Hey, I'm a lazing and

55:04

straight edge tea. Hope you're doing

55:06

well. We are doing well. It's

55:08

been a good Monday, had a good weekend,

55:10

very chill vibes. Now we're here with you

55:12

today. So we're doing good. We're

55:15

chill. Fun

55:18

with Carr says maybe he cheated on his wife

55:20

with the journalist. Um,

55:22

we love hearing your perspective, much love

55:24

from Buffalo Niagara Falls, New York, USA.

55:26

Oh, very, very cool. Yeah. Who knows? There's

55:28

a lot going on in this story. I mean,

55:30

yeah. He had a wife though. Did he?

55:33

Oh no, I don't, I don't think he, he's been

55:35

married. All right. At least not to my knowledge. They

55:37

don't talk about it in the, in the article. So

55:39

I actually have no clue. Maybe he has been married.

55:42

All of you Huberman lab followers. You can let me

55:44

know down below whether or not that

55:46

is the case, but he just sounds like a bachelor,

55:49

which makes sense. If you're going to be a

55:51

bachelor, just especially in his position,

55:53

just say you're a bachelor. You're going to

55:55

find women who want to be with you

55:57

and sleep with you regardless.

56:00

So I don't know why you would just not

56:02

be 100 about that. Just

56:04

be upfront about it. In this day and

56:07

age, a lot of women don't care. Are you, are you

56:09

kidding? Yeah. But sometimes

56:11

I think, you know, you guys

56:13

wanted to have their KK needed too and like play

56:16

house and have the luxury of things that

56:18

come with the commitment without actually giving that

56:20

exclusive commitment. A lot. But

56:22

nowadays you can get both. Please just

56:25

be honest. Be

56:27

so for real right now. Be so for real right now. Celtic

56:30

blacksmith says, I heard that Becky passed a note

56:33

to Anthony Huberman in homeroom and called him cute.

56:35

So Sarah called Becky a bitch later under the

56:37

bleach. The

56:42

messages in the girls bathroom go so hard,

56:44

you know, like when they write in Sharpie,

56:46

watch out for this guy. And now they

56:48

have like the Facebook message groups, the Huberman's

56:50

all over that. He's all over the bathroom

56:52

walls. Becky and

56:54

Sarah both sent him a note that said circle yes or

56:57

no. If you want to date me. And he said yes

56:59

on both of them. Crazy.

57:04

And very appropriate for the type of capturing

57:07

the sentiment of this article. Drama

57:10

forever says it's giving the movie

57:12

the other woman plot line. Oh,

57:14

yeah. I see that movie. That's with like,

57:16

oh my gosh, Cameron Diaz and oh my

57:19

gosh, who else is in that? The guy

57:21

from Game of Thrones. It's a good, it's

57:23

a classic rom-comy cheat,

57:25

cheat film. If you guys

57:27

like like an early 2000 style,

57:31

the other woman's a good one. Uh,

57:35

let's see, the portal three or fours is going

57:37

off today says this is for the lonely guys

57:39

looks maxing absolutely works. I went out this weekend.

57:41

The first girl I asked to dance said yes,

57:44

plus she was hot and I got her a

57:46

number telling you Kings you can do Alex

57:49

days, revving for looks maxing in the super chats,

57:51

you know what I'm all here for. If it

57:53

gets you like eating healthy and going to the

57:55

gym and you know, I'd argue that it might

57:57

not be, you know, the You

58:00

should just want to do that, but like, you

58:02

know what? If that helps, I'm on a look-smaxing

58:04

journey right now. I'm going to Hawaii in a

58:06

month, so I'm like hitting the gym every day

58:09

until the month is up. So

58:11

I'm look-smaxing with you guys. We'll

58:14

see if it shows on the stream. This

58:17

episode is brought to you by Visit

58:20

Williamsburg. In Williamsburg, Virginia,

58:22

there's never too much of a

58:24

good thing. Whether you're a foodie,

58:26

a golfer, a history buff, a

58:28

shopaholic, an outdoor enthusiast, or

58:30

a thrill seeker, you'll find what you came

58:33

for here. And more. So

58:35

ask yourself, what is it you want? Discover

58:38

Williamsburg and plan your trip

58:40

at visitwilliamsburg.com. This

58:43

episode is brought to you by

58:45

Bumble. So you want to find

58:47

someone you're compatible with, specifically someone

58:49

who's ready for a serious connection,

58:51

totally open to having kids in

58:53

the future, is a tall rock

58:55

climbing Libra, and loves rom-coms with

58:57

bacon pizzas on Tuesdays just as

58:59

much as you do. Bumble knows that you

59:02

know exactly what's right for you. So

59:04

whatever it is you're looking for, Bumble's features

59:06

can help you find it. Date

59:08

now on Bumble. Now,

59:12

we're happy for your success, Alex. He's

59:16

gone through the, just put me in the matrix

59:18

already, give me the Apple Vision Pro, I'm just

59:20

going to have AI girlfriends to now have

59:23

the best night of his life this past

59:25

weekend. There you go. Get

59:27

the girl's number, Alex. A

59:32

couple more, actually, from our friend, Alex. And I'm not

59:34

going to lie, this is a great RP episode for

59:36

women that I didn't know we were

59:38

going to get today. Take notes, women, part one.

59:40

Part two. That is a huge

59:43

red flag, DEFCON 5. Make sure you don't join

59:45

the stable of 304s. If

59:48

you don't evolve your standards,

59:50

you will get left behind. Yeah,

59:52

you have to keep an eye on these

59:54

things. I think a lot of women's stakes,

59:56

they're like, okay, I

59:59

would imagine they're thinking is this guy's

1:00:01

on the come-up, he's really smart, he's

1:00:03

really cool, I don't want to lose

1:00:05

this like gem because he's like famous

1:00:07

and other people see the value in him

1:00:09

so they put up with stuff that you wouldn't

1:00:11

typically put up with in in a relationship

1:00:14

but it's not worth it. Choose

1:00:17

happiness. Choose peace.

1:00:19

Well

1:00:21

not treachery. Some things

1:00:24

should be non-negotiables and don't

1:00:27

break your non-negotiables for someone just because

1:00:29

they're a little more attractive, they're a

1:00:31

little more successful, they're a little more

1:00:33

rich, whatever. Like that's a test

1:00:35

of your character at that point. You already

1:00:37

know their character. You see the signs and

1:00:39

you don't take those red flags

1:00:42

into account. That's on you. You don't need it. V

1:00:46

says Amelie, your hit piece would

1:00:48

be Amela Epinobi wasn't a leftist?

1:00:50

What other things is she like

1:00:52

about? Yeah, they could try to

1:00:54

expose me but I got their receipts on that

1:00:56

so we've played the receipts on this show.

1:00:58

You've seen my left-leaning speech but it was just a

1:01:00

psy-op. I pretended to be a leftist for the

1:01:03

purpose of grifting to the

1:01:05

right. You started planning it with a

1:01:07

tattoo when you were 16? Yep, I started

1:01:09

planning it at 16 years old and

1:01:11

then from there it's all I've been

1:01:14

playing chess not checkers this whole time. Busted.

1:01:19

Savvy C says first time catching a lie finally

1:01:21

and I'm having a blast in the chat. We

1:01:23

all know Huberman leaves his crusty socks on the

1:01:26

floor. Oh no, what a strange

1:01:29

live to catch for the first time.

1:01:31

This is definitely a different one. I'm

1:01:35

curious how the I think the Huberman fans are

1:01:37

gonna find this in post once the live is

1:01:39

done and they're gonna have much to say. I'll be

1:01:41

curious to hear what their take

1:01:43

is on the homeboy Huberman. Yeah,

1:01:46

leave them in the chat. I've listened

1:01:48

to a handful of Huberman episodes and

1:01:51

it's usually like how to maximize your

1:01:53

testosterone or you know things like that

1:01:55

and it's good times but yeah if you

1:01:57

guys get a hold of this later let us know what you

1:01:59

thought in the comments. Yeah, I've listened to I

1:02:01

think he didn't want on cold plunges or maybe he did

1:02:03

like a Rogan interview on cold plunges It was either Rogan

1:02:05

or Chris Williamson something about that and then What

1:02:09

was another one alcohol which

1:02:12

will scare the daylights out of you when it comes

1:02:14

drinking alcohol What

1:02:17

else his morning routine and Yeah,

1:02:20

that's it. And then that talking in LA Which

1:02:23

was boring gonna be honest? Sorry,

1:02:26

sorry guys, but it was his first show. So

1:02:28

maybe they kind of made it better With

1:02:30

time it's like comedy, you know, you gotta

1:02:33

ever find the routine a little bit Just like

1:02:35

his morning routine has to be refined. Yep has

1:02:37

been but yeah, I think that was actually our

1:02:40

last super chat So we made it through. All

1:02:42

right guys. Hopefully you had a good

1:02:44

time today Let me know how you felt in the comments down

1:02:46

below if you're a Huberman fan Let me know did this change

1:02:49

the trajectory of your

1:02:52

fan Nis towards

1:02:55

towards Andrew Huberman drop it down below. Give

1:02:58

me your thoughts. Is this An

1:03:00

actual good hit piece. Is it a bad hit

1:03:03

piece? What what would your hit

1:03:05

piece be about if the New Yorker wrote

1:03:07

one about you drop it down below so that

1:03:09

you can air Out your dirty laundry before they

1:03:11

do I'll be very curious to read some

1:03:14

of those and guys Thank

1:03:16

you so much for watching the show today

1:03:18

Hope you have a good one and I

1:03:21

will see you tomorrow in a video about

1:03:24

Girls who are now flirting with

1:03:26

chat GPT through voice chat. It's

1:03:29

very real. He does flirt

1:03:31

back And it's weird. So

1:03:33

keep an eye out for that and I did it

1:03:35

myself So you get to watch me chat

1:03:37

to the G to chat GPT voice chat

1:03:40

and it gets weird almost immediately. So With

1:03:44

that have a fantastic rest of your Monday

1:03:46

and I'll see you next time. Bye guys