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everyone and welcome to Amanpour. Here's what's

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coming up. 100%

0:40

of the population in Gaza is

0:42

at severe levels of acute

0:45

food insecurity. The International

0:47

Rescue Committee calls famine in

0:49

Gaza a profound failure of

0:51

humanity, blaming it on

0:53

Israel's blockade and bombardment. I

0:56

speak with IRC President David

0:58

Miliband. Meanwhile, Israeli settlers set

1:01

their sights on Gaza, correspondent

1:03

Clarissa Ward reports. A

1:05

call to return to the settlements of

1:07

Gaza. And the outspoken

1:09

Israeli lawmaker with a different view. And

1:12

the vast majority don't want to know about it.

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to the programme, everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in

2:01

London. Israeli military action

2:03

continues to devastate the civilian

2:05

population in Gaza. A three-day

2:08

siege at Al-Shifa Hospital is

2:10

ongoing, though thousands are sheltering there.

2:12

The IDF claims the site is being

2:14

used by Sidi-Yahama terrorists and says it's

2:16

killed 90 of them. The

2:19

bombardment is pushing Gaza towards

2:21

a devastating humanitarian crisis. A

2:23

UN-backed organization reports that half

2:25

of Gaza, which is more than

2:28

a million people, are on the brink of

2:30

catastrophic hunger. The British Foreign

2:32

Secretary David Cameron says the status

2:34

quo is unsustainable, and earlier this

2:36

week the U.S. National Security Advisor

2:38

Jake Sullivan had even harsher words.

2:41

Set a pause to reevaluate

2:43

with insanity and hate and what adjustments

2:45

are needed to which you want to

2:48

success. To stand a focus

2:50

on legalizing the area of Gaza and

2:52

Israel's clear-set and Hamas and Hamas

2:54

generally, and retake territory that

2:57

Israel has already cleared. The

2:59

Israeli government is now talking about watching

3:01

the immediate military escalation. More

3:04

than a million people have taken refuge

3:06

in Gaza. They went from

3:09

Gaza City to communist and then to

3:11

Gaza, and they have nowhere else to go.

3:15

So the clear frustration of the Biden administration

3:17

and the Israeli Prime Minister

3:19

Netanyahu is scheduled to talk

3:21

behind closed doors with Republicans

3:24

in Congress. Now the International Rescue

3:26

Committee calls the imminent famine in

3:28

Gaza, quote, a profound failure of

3:31

humanity and entirely preventable. David Miliband

3:33

is president and CEO of the

3:35

IRC. He's a former

3:38

British Foreign Secretary, and he himself is

3:40

a child of Holocaust refugees. David

3:42

Miliband, welcome back to our program. Thank

3:44

you, Christian. So the

3:47

WHO, you all, everybody is really

3:49

trying to sound the alarm of

3:51

what is, we can see by

3:53

the pictures, this impending famine. Who

3:56

do you blame for this? Well, first of all,

3:58

let's just be absolutely clear. that the

4:00

threat of imminent famine described by the

4:02

United Nations is not someone, an official

4:05

in New York writing a press release.

4:07

The international phase classification system

4:09

is a detailed, technocratic, quite

4:12

small, conservative look at the

4:14

facts on the ground. They

4:17

describe, as Secretary Blinken said, a

4:19

million people at level five, that

4:21

is famine level. The

4:23

rest of the population, level four

4:25

is considered an emergency, level three,

4:28

a crisis. So

4:30

2.2 million people don't know where their next

4:32

meal is coming from. And

4:34

the million who are at risk of famine, imminent

4:37

risk of famine, in

4:39

level five represent the

4:41

fastest degradation, the fastest

4:44

acceleration of a hunger crisis that's ever been

4:46

seen. Now how do you explain that to

4:48

get you to your question? This is about

4:51

very straightforward decisions that

4:54

are being made on the ground about the

4:56

number of crossing points, about the

4:59

number of trucks that are allowed to go through

5:01

crossing points, about what aid, above all

5:03

food aid, is allowed to go on the trucks

5:05

that go across the crossing points, about

5:08

the transit of trucks once

5:10

they are inside Gaza, because you'll

5:12

know a World Food Programme convoy was

5:14

turned back in the middle of the

5:16

night inside Gaza last week.

5:18

So you've got a series

5:20

of impediments, blockages, restrictions being

5:22

put in place on lorries

5:24

carrying the most basic humanitarian

5:27

aid. And it's not getting through to

5:29

the people who need it. That's why

5:31

you're ending up in the situation where

5:33

what are frankly fourth and fifth best

5:35

alternatives dropping aid from the sky, building

5:38

a pier that's going to be online in another six

5:40

weeks, that won't help

5:42

the people at imminent risk of famine

5:44

now. What they need is different decisions

5:46

about crossing points, about truck numbers, about

5:49

what goes in the trucks. So

5:51

those decisions are in the hands of

5:53

the Israeli government and the IDF. The

5:55

UN says it has enough food sitting

5:57

in those trucks that you're talking about to the

6:00

2 million people plus inside Gaza. What

6:04

possible reason could a

6:06

democracy at war have for

6:09

denying the basic elements

6:11

of survival? Well, no good reason has been

6:13

given. There's one part of the argument which

6:15

I think is important to get clear, which

6:17

is that some of the trucks are being

6:20

turned back because of allegations that some of

6:22

the items on a truck might be quote-unquote

6:24

dual use. In other words, they might have

6:26

civilian use as well as military use. Let's

6:29

be clear what kind of items we're talking about.

6:32

A pair of scissors for

6:34

use in a health center. My

6:36

own organization has doctors, orthopedic surgeons

6:38

working in one of the hospitals,

6:40

not the Al-Shifa hospital, but another

6:42

hospital in Gaza. But they lack

6:45

the most basic, the

6:47

saline drips, the saline at all, the

6:49

most basic implements with which to do

6:52

their work. And when a

6:54

pair of scissors gets found on a truck,

6:56

the whole truck gets turned back. So

6:59

we're talking about a really serious

7:01

set of very localized decisions, but

7:03

also bigger decisions about the number

7:05

of crossing points and how they're

7:07

used. I want to

7:09

say just so that our viewers and you

7:11

also really hear from at

7:14

least one person there of the desperate

7:16

hunger that they face. What

7:19

has this child done to suffer from hunger? I

7:24

cannot find him milk for five shekels or

7:27

a packet of milk from the agency. There,

7:30

the normal milk is for 150. There

7:32

is no work. There is no food,

7:34

no drinks. We are

7:36

eating plants. We started eating pigeon

7:38

food, donkey food. We are

7:40

like the animals. I saw you

7:43

shaking your head. I mean, this reference to

7:45

them eating animal food is shocking

7:47

still every time we hear it.

7:51

Yeah. And remember the International

7:53

Phase Classification Report that came out

7:56

the day before yesterday, 25

7:58

children have died of starvation. Whoa. This

8:01

is not about rhetoric. This is

8:04

not actually about politics. this is

8:06

about human survival And that's why

8:08

it's a failure of humanity. You

8:11

cannot get away from the idea

8:13

as many people are saying including

8:15

the top. Representative for Foreign Affairs

8:18

of the You Joseph Morales

8:20

that. It is deliberate. His.

8:22

What He said. To. Some

8:24

in is not the

8:26

natural disaster. Not

8:29

a small does not the his

8:32

place is entirely man made hundreds

8:34

of to add, sort of waiting

8:36

to enter. An

8:39

is absolutely imperative to make

8:41

crossing bonds war to effectively

8:43

an open edition or crossing

8:46

point. and it's just a

8:48

matter of political will. See

8:51

who else has to do it. Starvation

8:53

is uses a weapon of war. Yes,

8:55

as database shouldn't is use as a

8:57

weapon of war. And

9:00

me that from assets you know

9:02

I just keep thinking Somalia, Ethiopia,

9:04

All these famines that we've covered,

9:07

all these food deliveries, all these

9:09

urgent interventions by the Us and

9:11

others to to save civilians. Is

9:14

this one. Different ways this one

9:16

allowed to happen. Well we've got a

9:18

lot of experience of the way in

9:20

which conflicts on the climate crisis a

9:23

creating with those a man made but

9:25

their long term. Loan.

9:27

Some factors that are driving. Enormous.

9:30

Humanitarian need around the world We

9:32

published are emergency list was actually

9:34

had saddam as the numbers on

9:36

humanitarian crisis, twenty five million people

9:39

and humanitarian need. I visit some

9:41

of them in South Sudan recently

9:43

but this is a different. I'm

9:45

because of the speed of the. Onset

9:48

of the spam and because of

9:50

the virulence of the attack. Some I

9:52

say that. Plural. because remember

9:54

there are one hundred hostages as more than

9:56

one hundred alleges as well as more than

9:58

two two million palestinians civilians in Gaza

10:01

at the moment. This

10:03

is the depth of this urgency, but also we know the depth

10:05

of this political crisis, because

10:12

every humanitarian emergency is also

10:14

a political emergency. This is

10:16

a political emergency of really

10:20

global significance. And it's one where

10:22

our role as humanitarians is to

10:24

be the expert witness of

10:26

what's actually happening on the ground, because

10:29

the testimony that you've managed to

10:31

play of the Palestinian woman from

10:33

Gaza mirrors what our staff are

10:35

seeing on the ground in Gaza.

10:37

Both our own medical staff who

10:39

are working with medical aid for the Palestinians, who are

10:41

our partner

10:44

for our orthopedic surgeons group, our

10:46

emergency medical teams, but also local

10:49

NGOs. And these are

10:51

people, it's their community, they're

10:53

seeing life being lost, livelihood

10:55

being lost, in front of their eyes in

10:57

the most dramatic fashion. And they're appealing, as

11:00

I'm appealing, for action

11:02

to be taken. What action, though, because

11:04

we keep hearing that all the people of

11:06

goodwill around the world are saying action needs

11:08

to be taken, a ceasefire needs to happen

11:11

for humanitarian aid, for the release of

11:13

these hostages. Clearly, the Israeli people,

11:15

that's their number one priority, the

11:17

release of their hostages. It requires a

11:19

ceasefire. It's not happening. Al-Shifa

11:22

Hospital is again being raided. It's in process

11:24

right now. So then again, the question as

11:26

Jay Sullivan put it, and you're a former

11:28

foreign minister, so it's a real

11:31

life test case here. It means

11:34

that they are clearing and maybe not

11:36

holding if Al-Shifa is

11:38

again being raided. So this

11:41

could be endless. Well, that's the

11:43

fear. Endless

11:45

but imminent in its threat. I just want

11:47

to make two points. One, we're

11:50

absolutely clear in the National Rescue

11:52

Committee as a humanitarian organization that

11:55

the dual humanitarian imperative, a legal

11:57

and moral humanitarian imperative, of protection

11:59

protecting civilians from fighting and

12:03

of delivering aid to civilians. They

12:05

can only be met by an

12:08

immediately enduring ceasefire. However, secondly,

12:11

we cannot be in a position where

12:13

the complicated search for a ceasefire precludes

12:15

other action in the interim. And that's

12:17

why I went through the detail for

12:19

you of the truckloads, of

12:21

the limitations, of the turning back, of

12:24

the dual use, of the passage of

12:26

trucks inside Gaza. But it's not just

12:28

how many go across the border. It's

12:30

their ability to get to people and

12:32

then people to get to the food

12:35

that's needed. Remember, this is a legal, as

12:37

well as a moral imperative and a legal

12:39

right that these people have not

12:41

just to life and limb, to survival,

12:44

but to aid delivery. And here's

12:46

the most shocking thing. The

12:48

fighting has already claimed at least 30,000 lives,

12:52

the majority of them women and kids. And

12:54

I was saying 31,000. 31,000

12:57

lives. The peril that

12:59

Gazans face is that if the

13:01

fighting doesn't get them, the

13:05

famine or the public health emergency,

13:07

which is lurking underneath this public

13:09

health emergency of not having clean

13:11

water, that is going to stalk

13:14

them too. And that's why the urgency

13:16

for the UN Security Council is not

13:18

just to work on the ceasefire. It's

13:20

got to work on these very practical,

13:23

very localized decisions. Because here's the thing,

13:25

the amount of aid that went in in February,

13:28

according to David Cameron reporting to the House of

13:30

Commons, was half that that went in in January.

13:33

We're going in the wrong direction. We've got to

13:35

turn around and go in the right direction. So

13:37

you clearly paint a picture and so do all

13:39

the humanitarians of how aid can be

13:41

delivered and most importantly distributed, because it

13:43

needs to be distributed properly. We saw

13:46

when the Israelis tried to do it

13:48

themselves, it was a complete disaster.

13:50

There was shooting. There were 118 people dead. There

13:53

was a stampede, all of this. So it was a

13:56

disaster. What

13:58

does this ongoing humanitarian crisis look like? this

14:00

potential imminent famine, do

14:03

for Israel, not just its standing

14:05

and its morality, but its eventual

14:08

security? Well, obviously, the great

14:10

fear is that

14:12

the longer the fighting goes

14:14

on, the longer the desperate

14:17

struggle for survival of the civilians,

14:19

the longer the Palestinian civilians,

14:21

the longer the hostages are held,

14:24

for every day more of humanitarian crisis, you

14:27

put off by three days the eventual

14:30

sustainable resolution of

14:32

this core crisis.

14:35

And that leaves the whole of the

14:37

region less safe rather than more safe.

14:39

That is the fundamental fear. We have

14:42

operations in Lebanon. We have operations in

14:44

Syria. We have operations in Iraq. We

14:46

have operations in Jordan, humanitarian operations. And

14:50

I was in Jordan recently. I mean,

14:52

obviously, the whole region is roiled by

14:54

this. And so the humanitarian

14:56

imperative is not just a moral one.

14:59

We know from our experience around

15:02

the world, untended humanitarian crisis leads

15:04

to further political instability. That's

15:06

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15:09

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16:23

Throughout this war, many extreme

16:25

Israelis. Including members of this

16:27

and Yahoos coalition ah assessing

16:29

their sights on resettling Gaza.

16:32

Which is why these comments by

16:34

Jared clustered old from Son in

16:36

Law or sparking controversy. And

16:39

golfers waterfront property. You could be a very

16:41

valuable to thought if people would focus on

16:43

kind of building up your life with us.

16:45

You think all the money that's gotten into

16:47

this tunnel network and at all the munitions

16:49

of that would have gone into education or

16:52

innovations. What could have been done? And so

16:54

I think that it's a little bit of

16:56

an unfortunate situation. Their blessing from Israel's perspective.

16:58

I would do my best to move the

17:00

people out and then clean it up. Move

17:02

the people out, clean it up, The

17:05

occupied West Bank gets much less

17:07

attention, but Israeli settlements their continued

17:10

to expand against international. Law Correspondents

17:12

or his award reports from

17:14

that troubled West Bank. High

17:18

in the hills of the

17:20

occupied West Bank, flag flies

17:22

in the face of a

17:24

Palestinian village.is King it says.

17:27

Too young settlers guard this

17:29

illegal outposts. Construction hasn't even

17:32

been. That we are

17:34

not welcome. They're

17:37

asking us to we don't want

17:39

to talk to us. Isn't there

17:42

for about. Just

17:47

crossed the last Or

17:49

fight. To assert his really

17:51

control over Palestinian land, the

17:54

Arabic names and signposts crudely.

17:56

Erased. Under international

17:58

law to date. Hardware settlement

18:00

is illegal but last February

18:02

so the Israeli government officially

18:05

recognize it along with eight

18:07

other. Movie Us

18:09

strongly oppose. Roma

18:11

buffalo bulkier were a mere because god

18:13

your honor of our land as real

18:15

Alberta car to tell them. Now

18:18

the settlers have set their sights on

18:21

a new prize. One. That

18:23

seemed utterly impossible before

18:25

October seventh. Returning

18:28

so dire that they cheer. That

18:30

is the goal of Zion Settler

18:32

Organization a heloc. One of more

18:35

than a dozen groups now advocating

18:37

for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements

18:39

in Gaza Southern Up know the

18:41

A com a refund promotional video

18:44

even both had gone the will

18:46

become the next Riviera. Donkeys on.

18:48

His. Last Movie or a Madman. And

18:52

Yellow Line is the God mother

18:54

of the movement and from already

18:56

started recruiting from the seven hundred

18:58

thousand strong settler community As Israel

19:00

were just arriving now at a

19:02

settlement in the West Bank and

19:04

we're heading towards Hawks, the Danielle

19:07

or Weiss is given to a

19:09

group of people who are potentially

19:11

interested in resettling Gaza or not

19:13

move as as a society we're

19:15

for the land of Israel and

19:17

banged his ears says about twenty

19:19

people gather in the legislative. Assembly

19:22

see him home with my wife.

19:24

knows that for many and it's

19:26

community there is deep nostalgia for

19:28

Goose is he's a block of

19:30

twenty one Israeli settlement of the

19:32

were forcibly evacuated. Eighty eighty I had

19:35

to love in the eyes in Israel,

19:37

less the Gaza Strip. Nine. Of

19:40

is this is the vision of

19:42

Gaza She says see all the

19:44

nucleus groups. A

19:46

map has already been thrown out of

19:48

the season. Six groups laying claim to

19:51

different parts of the enclave they've just

19:53

been having out the a little fuck

19:55

was that. Save people with Israel to

19:57

return home. And as underneath. called

20:00

to return to the settlement of Gaza.

20:04

One of the organizers tells the group

20:06

they have a representative flying to Florida

20:09

to raise money. Snaphala

20:11

gets support from a number of

20:13

groups in the US, including Aafsi,

20:16

Americans for a Safe Israel, which

20:18

co-sponsored a recent webinar on the

20:20

return to Gush Katif, even as

20:22

the Biden administration has cracked down

20:25

on settlements in the West Bank.

20:27

There is a very strong support

20:30

from very prominent, from very,

20:33

I would say, wealthy people,

20:36

wealthy Jews in the US. Can

20:39

you name any names? No. I

20:42

cannot. No. Back

20:44

at her home in Kedunim settlement,

20:46

Weiss tells us she's already enrolled

20:48

500 families. I

20:52

even have on my cell

20:54

phone names of people who say, enlist

20:56

me, enroll me. I want to join. I

20:59

want to join the groups that are going to settle

21:01

Gaza. I have to ask you, though, because we're sitting

21:03

here talking, and we're listening to the calls of prayer.

21:05

Yeah, I'm listening. I hope you

21:07

are listening to it. Which is a reminder, I think,

21:09

of the people who live

21:12

here, but also the people who live in Gaza. What

21:14

happens to them in this vision

21:16

of this new settlement with Jewish

21:19

settlers, even in Gaza City? What I

21:21

think about Gaza, the Arabs of Gaza,

21:24

lost the right to be

21:26

in Gaza on the

21:28

7th of October. Yes, I do

21:31

hear the mosque. I do hear

21:33

that the prayer things were different

21:35

until the 7th of October. No

21:38

Arab, I'm speaking about more than two million

21:41

Arabs, they will not stay there.

21:43

We Jews will be in Gaza.

21:46

That sounds like ethnic cleansing. The

21:49

Arabs want to annihilate the state

21:51

of Israel. So you

21:53

can call them monsters. You

21:57

can call them cleansing.

22:00

Joseph. We are not

22:02

doing to them, they are

22:04

doing to us. I

22:06

couldn't make it clearer when I

22:08

said that the myself as a

22:10

person who is be with settling

22:13

the land and feel the seventh.

22:15

Of October I didn't have the

22:17

flames of returning to Gaza. It's.

22:20

Clear I'm not interested in clean.

22:23

What is? Clear is that voices

22:25

views traditionally seen as extreme in

22:28

Israel. Had become more popular

22:30

since October. Hobble the

22:32

late January June cause

22:34

heartburn on Purim Harvard.

22:37

Or from her home front on

22:40

for the settlement or harbor or

22:42

poll that month from the Jewish

22:44

People Policy Institute found the twenty

22:47

six percent of Israelis advocate the

22:49

reconstruction of the Bush Qatif settlements

22:52

after the war is over. Mom.

22:54

Supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin

22:57

Netanyahu's right wing coalition government.

22:59

That number jumps to fifty

23:01

one. Percent government has

23:03

a conference Looting far

23:05

right heritage minister I'm

23:08

high on yahoo. In

23:12

a rare interview with Western media,

23:14

he tells us his political decisions

23:16

are guided by the torah were

23:18

brutal. it's or anything about good

23:20

to teeth. And. Here are. Good.

23:23

But as of December. Settlements

23:25

in Gaza aren't enough to

23:27

prevent another October seventh. Of

23:29

the fossil record co moved from the language of

23:31

the Lambs from that wherever there is a Jerusalem

23:33

and there will be more security. The.

23:35

Remainder will be off of security or

23:37

there will be more security. Why

23:40

would you advocate for something that many

23:42

would throw? Is illegal. Immoral.

23:46

Or not supported by the

23:48

majority of Israelis and is

23:50

also very harmful to Israel

23:52

in terms of it's international

23:54

standing Market Research on fully

23:56

why do you think it's

23:59

immoral to. They do. I am

24:01

from someone who wants to kill me. Elaborate

24:03

on why is it immoral to take my

24:05

land which my ancestors lived there was as

24:07

even given up someone's slaughters, rapes and murders

24:10

made me sit. For what is more moral

24:12

than that? Netanyahu

24:14

has called me settling down and

24:16

of. Course

24:23

my Gf soldiers fighting

24:25

Thera video. Calling

24:28

from time to discuss it's easy.

24:31

For. Many supporters of the settler

24:34

movement, what was once a

24:36

disincentive is now a further

24:38

three. And

24:42

the Us Administration. Also has

24:44

strongly rejected this vocal but

24:46

still minority View Cell Service

24:48

award that. In a moment Michelle

24:51

Moss in he a very. Different,

24:53

equally outspoken view. From

24:55

the Israeli Knesset member overcast seats. he's

24:57

an opponent of the Settler movement and

24:59

also the Nes and Young governments. But

25:01

first with entities tried to the

25:03

person versus. An Iranian American family

25:06

comedies that was a breakout hit at

25:08

last year's Sundance Festivals has been out

25:10

in the United States is now opening.

25:13

In Europe's the semi autobiographical

25:15

film from director Mariam Cash.

25:17

Out as bring serious energies. To

25:20

her own migrant experience. Here's a clip

25:22

from the trailer. This

25:25

is a family said in a self capone.

25:27

The Problem: A courtesy junior month queen class

25:29

to bring that the guy had been three

25:32

her mmm for sexual. And these. Attacks

25:35

mean for the anonymous

25:38

francis. Fell

25:40

in the movies the family All Gather

25:42

as their father played by Be Jeans.

25:45

On this manned undergoes a heart transplants

25:47

Persian version opens instead. As as I

25:49

said across year of this Fridays and

25:51

on Netflix in the U P's and

25:53

on spent on Mariam Kiss of As

25:55

Join Me Now welcome both of you

25:58

to the program! So Merriam This. Essentially

26:00

a semi autobiographical. Stories you

26:02

have is he wrote it directed at.

26:05

What? About your life is

26:07

is represented there. Oh my God

26:10

I said to myself I. Honestly,

26:13

I just wanted to do something. I grew up

26:15

in New York City as born in New York

26:17

by Selma, came from Iran and the sixties. I

26:19

just grew up. Never seen any images of people

26:22

like our family. And I have it when Trump

26:24

took office I wanted to show the the reality

26:26

of our community and the levity and someone someone

26:28

should dig into your own family. Oh lordy, there's

26:30

so much to begin to. I grew up with

26:32

seven brothers and one bathroom. a New York City

26:35

so there's plenty of drop. In reality, reality

26:37

in the movie, to in the movies.

26:39

Eight. In reality of seven and you

26:41

know I just dug deep to kind

26:43

of look at family secrets as a

26:45

way to analyze that immigrant experience to

26:47

the movies. Oh unusual. It's a safe

26:49

place half and Iran and has cinema

26:51

and the people and not used to

26:53

seeing. An Iranian Rom com Or an Iranian

26:55

American. A Rom. A Nice having father

26:57

were such fun p Miles you know

26:59

they are ivory. So

27:02

is is. it starts in the you

27:04

while doesn't stop. But there is a

27:06

real major sort of opening sequence where

27:08

you're all gathered, the family around you

27:10

as the father, bees and you play

27:12

the father who is now over father,

27:14

older father. Yes, Who's. Now

27:16

enduring a you know life

27:19

threatening illness writing. And

27:21

that brings. This whole

27:23

story to light what made

27:25

you. Enjoy playing this part have you

27:27

do do a lot of of I've seen

27:29

in. In Britain and America

27:32

are awesome things and yourself who.

27:35

British and American productions either in

27:37

the you to. Europe.

27:39

Or North Africa sometimes. I'm.

27:42

What was very attractive about this for surgery

27:44

was it's a social film and is hop.

27:46

He got some. I'm. So sad

27:48

moments. On

27:51

I enjoy playing. In the

27:53

movies which are of social. Families.

27:56

Disputes. Workings

28:00

if you like and I was honored

28:02

to play her father and and nervous

28:04

as well because I wanted for feedback

28:07

as to what your father really? You,

28:09

you know and I did. He really

28:11

was. And I have to say it,

28:13

It is really interesting that because it's

28:15

so she is based around the very

28:17

fractious relationship you have used. Your mother.

28:20

And you figure out a family

28:22

secret. Through your grandmother when you

28:24

left behind with her while the rest

28:26

of the family is it the father's

28:29

bedside. Exactly. It's a really based on to start

28:31

my dad had a heart transplant and my grandmother

28:33

came from Shiraz and suit only want to stay

28:35

with me. I had had a falling out with

28:37

my mom she was a tough lady growing up

28:39

as the.com and take care of your grandmother and

28:41

my grandmother's and sooner or your parents came to

28:43

America nineteen sixty seven and I thought I knew

28:45

the stories that came because there were enough doctors.

28:47

they're all in Vietnam as as I said such

28:50

a cute story. I'm in the what are the

28:52

to be as I say as the want to

28:54

know the Truth Eight You know the came because

28:56

of scandal and it's it was a fun thing

28:58

to do because we think. Of our parents are

29:00

so different than us, but actually the movies

29:02

showing the relationship between mother and daughter are

29:04

different decades and that's the reason that we

29:06

have so many issues my mother and I

29:08

that were so much alike on the not

29:10

to me and discounted is real. the send

29:13

A story are the sorts of the story

29:15

essentially that I'd also add. So you're full

29:17

of nausea. He doesn't bad things like

29:19

been was younger a concert you because

29:21

in the story of the good well

29:24

it is it means he does have

29:26

He adds another family kind of see

29:28

how to behave. Fab. See

29:30

when he was younger he wasn't a bad

29:33

manners Guzman you love this family placebo makes

29:35

the bambee so yes but. The your

29:37

mother in real life. Was. Bit

29:39

rose to a man. more than ten years

29:41

says or her than hard as he was only

29:43

a teenager exactly and i was really sick hard

29:45

for thing for me to do it's like my

29:47

mom got married a thirteen i've heard the story

29:49

thirty seven or eight and a cast affair last

29:51

year old girl to play my mother i knew

29:53

the store i've heard in a million times rights

29:56

but when you bring an actor to play your

29:58

mother your really emphasize is that this girl one

30:00

year older than my own daughter, and she

30:02

was playing my mother, to have someone breathe

30:04

your parents' story. And also my

30:06

father. He became a man at 11. His

30:08

own father died, and he had to become

30:10

the patriarch of eight sisters. So

30:13

for me, I learned so much about

30:15

my parents, about being empathetic. The

30:18

film for me was a

30:20

challenge, because I had to think of my

30:22

parents, not as my parents, but as individuals,

30:25

teenagers, 20-something year olds who

30:27

make mistakes and are afraid.

30:30

And Bijan, it also says

30:32

a lot about Iran. It says a

30:34

lot about how things were back then.

30:37

Yes. Yeah, which not many people

30:39

in the West really know. And

30:41

even Iranians born post-revolution

30:43

don't know much, particularly

30:46

the ones which are born outside of

30:48

Iran. Yeah. Yeah, and I think,

30:50

you know, my mom struggled in the 60s. We

30:52

think, I mean, of course, before the revolution,

30:54

there was a lot of freedom in terms of

30:57

dress and all these different things. But still,

30:59

I think women's struggles are a continuous one, even

31:01

pre-revolution. My mom. And the post-glows

31:03

going on now. And now, of course, is a

31:05

continuum. People say, you know, the fight for women's

31:07

rights is an ongoing one. My mom wanted to

31:09

just finish school. That was a revolutionary idea then.

31:12

And now that's kind of why she's so open to

31:14

having her story told. Because it's time after

31:17

how many 50-plus years, 60-plus years,

31:19

that we take the reins. This is a

31:21

mother who my whole life said, we should

31:23

not talk about the past. We should not

31:25

talk about our stories. And here she is,

31:27

she's saying, it's time for us. She

31:30

likes this film. She wanted me to tell this. I would never

31:32

do it without permission. It would raise her awards and all. And

31:34

that's the thing. People like me in the film,

31:37

I'm portrayed as Leila. The

31:39

mother, because we see all of what she went

31:41

through and how she became a strong immigrant and

31:43

everything she did for her family and redefined herself

31:46

and became the writer of her own destiny. They're

31:48

like, you're cool, but your mom is a hundred

31:50

times more interesting. And I say, you know what,

31:52

she really is because I learned so much making

31:54

a film about her. And Bijan, I mean, the

31:57

film is obviously a great

31:59

tribute. to the women, to the women

32:01

of Iran as well. The sub-todd is the sub-todd. I

32:03

mean, my own mother was a strong

32:05

person in my family. I relate to

32:07

that as well. And

32:10

it's so much- The father figure was an

32:13

interesting man. He had his dogmatic,

32:16

strict set of principles the way he lived. He didn't

32:18

want to sell his house for

32:20

a profit, for example. In America, my dad

32:22

was a very unique person. I think I'm very

32:24

much a mix of both of my parents. My

32:26

dad was so idealistic. They don't make him like

32:28

him anymore. He was a doctor that

32:31

when people didn't have money, they would just bring him a pie

32:33

or like a knit sweater. And that was

32:35

fine. And in the film again, it

32:38

merges to, well, as you go back

32:40

and forth, America, childhood, Iran, you know-

32:43

And my smuggling days of smuggling. I want to ask

32:45

you about that. This

32:47

play, just the clip that we have, it's sort of

32:49

kind of magical realism part of the play.

32:53

So- Shia Muslims are really

32:55

into this magic real stuff. In

32:57

our family, there's always someone who comes to save

32:59

the day. His name is-

33:02

Ammon Ammon. He's this amazing thing.

33:04

When he disappeared a few hundred years ago, like

33:07

literally disappeared in a dinner one day, he

33:10

was a busy guy. A true believer says

33:12

his name, and he appears in times of need. And

33:15

he can appear in human or

33:17

animal terms. Oh, you're stuck, uh-huh.

33:20

Well, I thought of him too. Disclosed

33:22

to getting what she wants. Of

33:24

course she pulled a favor from the big guy. My

33:27

mom only believes in this stuff. I'm not

33:29

sure I do. If she's old world, I'm

33:32

new world. This is my mom and

33:34

I's relationship in a nutshell. It's

33:38

great to be able to stop time in a movie, isn't it? As

33:41

we said, it won the audience favorite at

33:43

Sundance. Were you surprised,

33:45

I mean, by the reaction? I really, you never

33:47

know when you make a movie. It's so bearing

33:50

your family there. But

33:53

it was a very weird Sundance. I

33:55

finished the film two days before the premiere, and we showed it.

33:57

I was more terrified because my family was in the audience. the

34:00

end people got up and danced and

34:03

the head of Sony was like we've had many

34:05

films at the festival for 20-something years we've never

34:07

had audience stand up and dance

34:09

and that was kind of my agenda in

34:11

some ways for you to go through the

34:13

roller coaster of this family but at the

34:15

end want to celebrate and I think that's

34:17

kind of a radical concept I think in

34:19

our part of the world. In our part

34:21

of the world you're absolutely right about that. I want to

34:23

ask you a slightly different question you know

34:25

you've all you've talked about

34:27

being concerned with repetition, difference and disruption.

34:30

My art. Yes, your art. Yes. So

34:32

tell me about that because you're also

34:34

an artist I've seen your beautiful paintings.

34:37

Yeah I make paintings and various

34:40

works of art. Repetition is very

34:42

interesting for me I just believe the whole

34:44

universe is a series of repetitive actions we

34:47

all repetitions I mean it's like

34:49

snowflakes like sperms but

34:51

there's always a difference and my

34:54

latest work of art in terms

34:56

of paintings I've been painting damavans

34:59

and I've made over a classic iconic

35:01

the highest mountain the mountain in Iran

35:03

and it's a symbol of fighting the

35:05

oppressor it's very symbolic it's in our

35:07

poetry and I've made all

35:09

these paintings they're identical yet they're

35:12

all different yes and just quickly

35:14

before I ask you the last question playing

35:16

you played in the diplomat which was a

35:18

very popular series about a

35:20

US ambassador here in Britain yes what

35:23

was that like playing in a Netflix series it was

35:25

good because for once there I mean Iran

35:27

has got up to many bad things but

35:29

they're not always doing the bad things and

35:31

in this particular TV show we were

35:34

not actually the people who had

35:36

you weren't the baddie you were in the baddie you've

35:41

been banned and your films have been banned

35:43

in Iran you've done other other films about

35:45

the country so in the last 30 seconds that

35:48

we have how is this being seen there and

35:50

surely people have seen it it has

35:53

a great reception I mean it's been pirated obviously

35:55

and they watch it there and it's it's kind

35:57

of the first one that takes place half between

36:00

Iran and half between America. So it's their

36:02

story and our story. And I think people

36:04

are really responding to the humor and the

36:07

playfulness and the magic realism aspects. And one

36:09

of the things that was very funny

36:11

is as a kid, you used to

36:13

travel back. I was a smuggler. I smuggled

36:15

Michael Jackson, Cindy Lauper, Madonna,

36:18

because back in the days there was no digital downloads. The

36:20

only way to get music from America was for me to

36:22

put them into my underwear. And

36:24

I was a smuggler. On the next scene,

36:26

the airport scene in the film. Yeah, it's very

36:28

good. It's very good. It's a very

36:31

uplifting and fun film. It really is

36:33

a great story. Thanks for having

36:35

me. I'm Maryam Kishawaz, Bijan Dhanishpand. Thank you

36:37

both very much. And as we said, this

36:40

will premiere here in the UK

36:42

on Friday. As

36:49

we reported earlier, there are loud and

36:51

differing voices within Israel on the

36:53

so-called day after the war. We

36:55

heard the extreme settle of you earlier

36:58

and left-wing lawmaker Ofer Kassif

37:00

is just as passionate about

37:02

opposing that and opposing Netanyahu's

37:04

handling of the war, stressing

37:06

the need for a political

37:08

solution. And he joins Michel Martin

37:10

now to explain why and

37:12

how he survived the recent effort to impeach

37:14

him. Thanks,

37:17

Christiane. Can I say, member, thank

37:19

you so much for speaking with us. Thank

37:21

you for having me. My pleasure and honor. Before

37:24

we get into recent events, I wanted

37:26

to go back a little bit

37:29

to last month. You've

37:31

been very critical of the Netanyahu government.

37:34

You have argued and you have

37:36

made no secret of the fact that

37:38

you think that this government has been

37:40

engaging in many

37:43

sort of anti-democratic efforts, trying

37:45

to silence dissent, silence

37:48

any criticism, cracking

37:50

down on public demonstrations that

37:53

would be customary in a democracy. How

37:56

did you find out that, and I understand that

37:58

this is your fellow Knesset. Members Who would

38:00

move to impeach you. But how did you

38:03

find out that they were moving to impeach

38:05

you? Were laid. there is a

38:07

lawyer you got to do. It's an

38:09

active be made two thousand and sixteen

38:11

but the longer majority of ninety and

38:14

windows of exist without a one hundred

38:16

twenty two Mph and other member of

38:18

the lists. If if one is a

38:20

a a fuse the an idea of

38:22

being a supporting racism or supporting an

38:25

armed struggle against Do It. Now.

38:27

Way after a sign this petition

38:29

which I guess we will discuss

38:32

later about a i realized that

38:34

say one member of the knesset

38:36

this highlights member of business and

38:39

a he gave be done. In.

38:41

A dizzying signatures from other

38:43

members of the cliffs of

38:45

the an older to begin

38:47

emotion to a beach with

38:50

so.sawaya a new about it

38:52

and do it as he

38:54

saw his swim. Honest. The

38:56

specific action that you were

38:58

accused of. Is in relation

39:00

to your decision to support the

39:02

petition to the International Criminal Court

39:05

that would have investigated Israel and

39:07

relation to it's. Absence in

39:09

Gaza in South Africa has

39:11

asked for. Israel to be investigated

39:14

and you said that new feel that

39:16

this is an appropriate thing to do

39:18

is briefly as you can. Why did

39:20

you feel that that was important? To

39:22

do. With. The to Maine seems

39:24

that the first of all you know

39:26

a i do not enough Png government

39:29

to investigate it says. He. The

39:31

it's not as seventy only the

39:33

Israeli government. that any government I

39:35

think the basis of democracy is

39:38

tough to anyone to cast doubts

39:40

on one's own Gabi Macys. like

39:42

in forty nine days it'll feel

39:45

that he said. She.

39:47

Wants to get conventional genocide

39:49

it's and actually recognize his

39:51

belt. So easy of the

39:53

I Cj investigating. Geek

39:56

such accusations so for me

39:58

towards very clear. That.

40:00

Day The I Cj is the

40:03

authority to investigate the ongoing seen

40:05

It in Gaza and know the

40:07

Israeli government itself. That was one

40:10

See the appeal is that in

40:12

bay appeal of South Africa as

40:14

well as the the petition. That

40:17

I joined and eventually by the

40:19

way they were almost one thousand

40:21

Israeli citizens who signed is pretty

40:23

simple ones are very clear call

40:26

to stop below. We all know

40:28

the the death toll of Palestinians

40:30

in Gaza. Is eg,

40:32

some always been mean the thirty

40:34

thousand. And. Day the Out

40:37

also have you learned soldiers and

40:39

hostages. We. Want everyone.

40:42

Who to it's to leave? We

40:44

got one symptoms anymore so it

40:46

was very clear. will be. A

40:48

good the government reason is not say

40:50

interested in the lives of anyone. Nigel

40:53

the is a little on the Palestinians.

40:56

So. Highly of fight song by

40:58

Sample Blinds. To. Appeal to

41:00

an international body such of I see take.

41:02

The. Effort to impeach you failed. At a

41:04

time to receive. A. Significant

41:07

number of us, but not enough to press

41:09

to obviously move forward with the impeachments. You

41:11

clearly have not been cowed by this. I

41:13

mean, this weekend gave a speech on the

41:15

floor of the Knesset in support of the

41:17

by the administration's sanctions against settlers in the

41:19

West Bank. Why do you believe that that

41:22

is the right course of action? Why do

41:24

you believe that it is appropriate for the

41:26

administration to play sanctions on the settlers? Because

41:28

as you know that it's very controversial? Pro:

41:30

A number of reasons many people think it's

41:32

sort of minimalist. Some people think it's the

41:34

wrong people, Some people think it's. A.

41:37

Bandaid. It doesn't really address the situation that

41:39

many opinions, but why do you think it

41:42

was an appropriate course of action? I

41:44

may upset or I may have set

41:46

or of the things you said. Smith

41:49

still doesn't rule out to some say

41:51

I read the main made it a

41:53

mainly you know buddy the to be

41:56

sanctioned in these people and government big

41:58

obvious for discs the government. The

42:00

responsible for the ongoing problems dust

42:02

settles, else carry out against Palestinians

42:04

in the West Bank. Look, I

42:07

want to be very very blunt

42:09

and very many leah. You.

42:11

View: the ethnic cleansing going on in

42:13

the air in the West bank been

42:16

slow the massacre of them and may

42:18

have of doorbell I mean. Literally

42:20

sleep for days before the massacre of the

42:22

Total Massacre the Game. In the Us it's.

42:25

Not. So much committed in which I does

42:27

on as your some friends three three

42:30

voted to say that they would totally

42:32

convinced because they get some people believe

42:34

that the fight against the wall and

42:36

against occupation that means that they support

42:38

the crimes of com us absolutely not

42:40

so I want to be medically about

42:42

that he had a to so. Sweet

42:45

or four days before domestic economy That

42:47

myself as I visited. And

42:49

Jordan Valley some fast. So you

42:51

know communities of Palestinian lands in

42:53

the West Bank. Finity. In

42:55

and been. That's all it is.

42:57

So communities were totally eliminated. speakers

43:00

to sleep because of the ongoing

43:02

daily boggles committed might set them

43:04

as as of the auspices of

43:06

the occupation forces. we are talking

43:09

about his size and then it's

43:11

only covered under siege. you'll still

43:13

be. And evidence

43:15

and since October seventh. He

43:19

devised into Palestinian communities a

43:21

little early thirties. Build.

43:23

An ongoing to explain saying you're saying

43:25

the in the West Bank we're not

43:27

talking about dogs and now we sent

43:29

him packing Bambee when you will manifest

43:32

Settlers are and making an effort to

43:34

drive Palestinians out. That would force. Accessible

43:37

to thoughts, smoke and twenty

43:39

communities Palestinian communities skyn sense.

43:41

Shepherds won't be good if

43:43

I visited. I know many

43:45

of them for so many.

43:48

Good people. Have nothing to

43:50

do is you know where violence

43:53

or whatever gets out. Assaulted

43:55

only continuous basis, a

43:57

daily basis for more.

44:00

At least actually, He's

44:02

been more the exactly want you. Since

44:05

I first set the live up. To

44:08

you are gonna be a you first

44:10

meet it's they will physically then i

44:12

said in butler of the middle of

44:14

the best sites that to eat doubtful

44:16

phones going on. By.

44:19

Settlers against the Palestinians in the

44:21

West Bank. Please stop leads us

44:23

to stop it first because it's

44:25

criminal. And

44:28

secondly, because it's going to blow up

44:30

with the old adage if. Everybody's

44:32

going to pay. The price is going

44:34

to be. And bloodshed that we've

44:37

never experienced. I said that, say slit

44:39

several months before the most secure

44:41

hawthorne assume it. Isn't. I

44:43

ever since I said. Okay,

44:45

Ice I just another thing. Lessons of

44:48

the same kinds. Of things

44:50

however got even one little i don't

44:52

have minister walid like. The you

44:54

think the Israeli. Public.

44:56

Sees what you see, In.

44:59

Gaza and the West Bank with know.

45:02

Be.the Bee media you bush did meet

45:04

the media and use that have been

45:06

entirely by the way. it's not you

45:08

know, way. A

45:12

it's not please. It's not something that

45:14

the government has been doing before. sink

45:16

in the media to books the maybe

45:18

I thought some really you. A

45:21

Totally sides. Or

45:24

ignores from the ongoing in God's

45:27

ask any the West Bank, Nobody

45:29

actually knows about it, and the

45:31

vast majority don't want to know

45:33

about it. Is. Because

45:35

is very hard to see a villain when you

45:37

look at the middle. The

45:39

polls and Israel so. High

45:42

support. For Israel's war in

45:44

Gaza in January there was a group

45:46

of Israel Democracy Institute which. i think

45:48

as a respected research institute said

45:51

it's fifty six percent i was

45:53

really pulled and january said continuing

45:55

the military offensive was the best

45:57

way to recover the hostages yet

46:00

The prime minister, Netanyahu, is not popular.

46:02

That same poll found that only 15

46:04

percent want Netanyahu to be prime minister

46:07

once the war is over. How do

46:09

you understand that? Well, many people

46:11

in Israel could blame at least

46:14

some of the responsibility for the

46:16

massacre of October 7 on

46:18

Netanyahu. And just be

46:20

so. He is responsible. He is

46:23

responsible for his long-going policy. He

46:25

said explicitly in 2019, and

46:28

I quote him almost all by

46:30

word, he said, those

46:32

who oppose a Palestinian state

46:35

like he does

46:38

must weaken the Palestinian Authority

46:40

and strengthen Hamas. He

46:42

said so. He said so. Even

46:45

Smotrich in 2015 said,

46:47

and I quote, the

46:50

Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas

46:53

is an asset. He said so.

46:55

They wanted Hamas to be strong

46:58

as part of the classic colonialist

47:00

divide and rule. And

47:02

they want the biggest of Hamas to

47:04

be stronger in order to find an

47:06

excuse and say that there's no one

47:08

to talk to. They

47:11

wanted it. They passed Netanyahu

47:13

himself for more than 10 years,

47:16

allowed millions of dollars to get

47:18

to the pockets of Hamas from

47:20

Qatar. It's not

47:22

a secret. Everybody knows that. He

47:24

is responsible because of that many

47:26

Israelis don't want him as a

47:28

prime minister. And just be so. They

47:30

say you are responsible. You are guilty. Some

47:33

even say you are guilty at

47:36

the same time. Many

47:38

of them think that the war must go on. Of

47:41

course, I'm not there. I am my

47:43

own criticism. But we do not agree about

47:45

the war, the assault. There

47:48

are many that do agree with me, especially

47:51

among the families of the hostages, not

47:53

all of them. Many

47:55

of the families of the hostages

47:57

and the victims were butchered by

47:59

Hamas. Understand

48:02

that this assault on Gaza will

48:04

not deliver neither security

48:06

for the Israeli sorry,

48:11

nor, let alone release of

48:13

the auspices. More and more

48:15

people begin to understand that, and I believe

48:18

that the atmosphere is shifting

48:21

slowly, gradually, but

48:23

it is shifting because of this situation.

48:26

So, let us turn

48:28

now to the U.S. rule here. First,

48:30

there was the Senate Majority Leader, Chuck

48:33

Schumer, a senator from New York. I

48:37

would say the sort of highest-ranking, most

48:39

prominent Jewish elected official in the United

48:41

States said that the Netanyahu government should

48:43

go, that the prime minister is not

48:45

serving the interests of the people. This

48:48

caused a huge reaction. And then, according

48:50

to the White House, President Joe Biden

48:52

called Prime Minister Netanyahu just this week

48:55

to warn against this

48:57

planned military operation that we are told

49:00

is coming in Rafa, saying that

49:02

a major ground operation there would be a mistake.

49:06

What do you make of these developments, particularly

49:08

the White House? Do you think that this

49:10

is consequential? Look, I must

49:13

say I'm very critical of the White

49:15

House and then of Biden's administration because

49:17

actually without their consent, the

49:19

assault on Gaza and this terrible death toll

49:22

would have never occurred. I

49:24

mean, there is a kind of,

49:27

you know, if you allow me

49:29

to use some concepts from psychology,

49:32

there is a kind of dissonance cognitive

49:35

because, you know, dissonance cognitive

49:37

is when one consciously

49:41

clinging to two contradictory

49:43

or more contradictory moments.

49:46

And that's what I see in the behavior of

49:49

President Biden, because on the one hand,

49:52

he speaks about the dire

49:55

situation, the grave situation of

49:57

the Palestinians in Gaza. starving

50:00

them. So it

50:02

is starvation caused by

50:04

Israel. And of course, no

50:07

medicine or street destruction, death toll,

50:09

etc. etc. That could

50:11

not happen without the support of the

50:14

United States. Why do you say that? Because

50:17

I give you two examples, which for me

50:19

are the main ones. First of

50:21

all, every time there's a

50:24

motion in criticism

50:26

of Israel in the Security Council

50:28

of the United Nations, the

50:32

United States vetoes

50:34

the decision. That's the support, which

50:37

I do not accept. I want

50:39

to be very clear. It's not

50:41

the support for Israel and the

50:43

Israelis. It's the support of the

50:45

Israeli government, which is against the

50:47

Israelis. I am in opposition.

50:49

I am committed

50:52

to the Israeli public and

50:55

I'm trying to do my job. And

50:57

part of my job is to stand

51:00

still against the government if the

51:02

government is wrong, let alone

51:04

things. And the

51:06

indigenous administration in supporting the

51:09

government of Israel is

51:11

acting against justice, against the Palestinians,

51:13

but also against the Israelis. Except

51:15

that public opinion, as we've discussed,

51:17

does not support this government per

51:19

se, but it does support what

51:21

the government is doing. Can I

51:23

say, remember, your views are

51:26

not in the majority. First

51:28

of all, you may be right. That

51:31

doesn't undermine my obligation to

51:35

raise my voice and to represent

51:37

the thousands and hundreds and

51:40

hundreds of thousands of

51:42

Israelis who do support my

51:44

view and the lateral people

51:46

out of Israel. But I

51:48

guess that we both would

51:51

agree that polls are

51:54

mainly for statistics, but not for

51:56

political decisions. So the White House

51:59

has said that Mr. Biden

52:01

asked Prime Minister Netanyahu to

52:04

send a delegation of

52:06

intelligence and military officials to

52:08

Washington to hear firsthand

52:11

the White House's views, particularly about this

52:13

planned incursion into Rafa. We are told

52:15

that the government, the Netanyahu government, has

52:17

agreed to send such a delegation. Does

52:20

that offer any hope to you? I

52:22

don't know if you heard how

52:24

Netanyahu explained sending the delegation. He

52:27

said that he's been doing

52:30

that for, and I quote,

52:32

for respect, because

52:35

he respects Biden, Mr. Biden.

52:38

Not because he wants to

52:40

achieve something or he's ready

52:42

to restrain from operating in

52:48

Rafa. I think

52:50

that to say that invading

52:53

to Rafa is wrong,

52:55

it's an understatement. It's

52:57

going to be a carnage. It's

53:00

the death toll that's going to be there,

53:02

the bloodshed that's going to be there, is

53:06

going to be even more disastrous than

53:08

what has been going thus far. Before

53:13

we let you go, clearly

53:15

you remain as

53:17

outspoken as ever. Do you feel

53:19

that you are opening up more

53:21

democratic space, more space

53:25

for public criticism or to

53:27

sort of maintain

53:30

these democratic traditions of sort of

53:32

public dissent? You

53:35

probably know this story that

53:37

just after the American

53:40

United States invaded Vietnam, there

53:43

was one person who used to demonstrate in

53:45

front of the White House. Every time he

53:47

was asked, what are you doing here alone?

53:49

You know that you're all alone. Everybody supports

53:52

the invasion of the assault of

53:54

Vietnam. And he used to answer,

53:56

according to the story, Per

53:59

AR. He was told by

54:01

a man he does. He was not

54:03

going to change society so used to

54:05

say perhaps I'm not going to change

54:08

society but they're sending in order to

54:10

make sure that society doesn't change me.

54:12

But eventually going back to the story

54:14

we know that this guy probably did

54:16

say society. Because we know what

54:19

happened later. So

54:21

answer your question. By.

54:23

Using the story. I. Do

54:25

believe. Not only me but

54:27

thousands of people that we could. We

54:29

went to demonstrate informed of the American

54:32

Embassy. As you know, I

54:34

got away or physical in calling

54:36

for the United States to recognize

54:38

a Palestinian state. So

54:41

it's not only be. It's pretty

54:43

intimate. It will be very it

54:45

was censored to say to me

54:47

that the people like to be

54:49

A or A and me together

54:51

we are the old. So both

54:53

peoples of these lands including the

54:55

Israeli. Knesset Member of

54:58

Focusing Thank you so much for sitting with us!

55:00

My. Pleasure think you have a nice day. And

55:04

Israeli government has consistently. Denied any

55:07

attempt to strengthen Hamas. And finally,

55:09

tonight, spring has begun in the

55:11

Northern Hemisphere. Mocking for many in

55:13

the world's not just the promise

55:15

of warmer weather, but also the

55:17

beginning of the ancient festival. Of

55:19

know who's. The celebration of

55:21

the person You yes some three

55:24

hundred million people are taking part

55:26

in ritual said symbolize rebirth and

55:28

reflections from Iran to Afghanistan, Central

55:31

Asia and the cause. Like these

55:33

performers. Donning traditional costumes, In

55:35

Bisbee Stag Kyrgyzstan in Tehran

55:37

with people are jumping over

55:39

fire to cleanser skirts and

55:41

even in the International. Space

55:44

Station where one Iranian, American,

55:46

Astronauts has prepared. A customary

55:48

have seen so happy know ruse

55:50

to old who celebrate. A the

55:52

some. I'm aware that that's it for now.

55:54

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