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Hi, I'm rich swartz butt'ss

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World. I'm Marco went.

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Welcome to Amazing Wildlife, where we explore

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unique stories of wildlife from around the world and

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uncover fascinating animal facts. This

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podcast is a production of iHeartRadio's Ruby

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Studio and San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance

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in international nonprofit conservation organization

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which oversees the San Diego Zoo and Safari

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Park.

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Marco.

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In our last episode, we learned about the impacts

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of wildlife trafficking and heard our friend Kim

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tell us all about the many things the female

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king Klober endured before ending up with the San

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Diego Zoo.

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Yeah, you know that's right.

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I know it can be kind of a hard story to hear,

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but really happy she's safe

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now and hopefully finds him mate soon.

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And hopefully she likes that new mate, right.

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I know that was something I found interesting when

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Kim was talking to us about it. Mate selection

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isn't just a male and female crossing

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paths, and you know that's it.

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I mean similar to.

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Humans, right, I mean, many species show us that both

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mates have to be mutually

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interested in each.

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Other exactly exactly, And she said that the female

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could reject him for reasons that we don't even know.

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But often a female animal of any species

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is looking for the best match to make sure her

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offspring will do well.

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And that's a great spot to introduce today's

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topic.

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Yes, it is, Marco, it is indeed, because today

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we are diving into female leadership in

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the animal.

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Kingdom, but not just the obvious

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who's in charge of leadership?

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Right?

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I mean today we're also talking about

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the behaviors and actions of a

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single female that can influence

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an entire family of animals.

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That's right.

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We're talking about lions, gorillas, elephants,

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miracas, lemurs, and even killer whales

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today killer whales

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too. Yes, because we happen to have someone

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with us who has had a career full of working

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with all sorts of wildlife from all over the world,

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even the killer whale.

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I am Christy Burdis, Vice President of

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Wildlife Care at the San Diego

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Zoosafari Park.

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Christy, you came all the way to us

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for this interview instead of us going to Safari Park. But

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real quick, before you get into all the cool things

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about female animals, what.

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Exactly VP of what?

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Vice President of Wildlife Care at

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the Safari Park.

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So what does that mean? That

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sounds very important. I know what you do,

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but I want.

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You to tell to audio it's a very important role.

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I gotta say. So, we're really soaked that you're here taking

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the time we talk to us.

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Chriss, Well, thank you so much. I think

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every role in our organization is extremely

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important. But I feel very

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honored to lead our wildlife care

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department at the Safari Park. So

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we have over two hundred wildlifecare specialists

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that take care of over

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three thousand animals that represent

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over three hundred species.

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Wow.

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So just just a little bit of responsibility on

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your shoulder, just.

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A little bit.

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What I love about our responsibility

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is that no day is the same,

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every day is a little bit different. And

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of course the conservation work that

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our organization does so incredibly

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important. But also the opportunity

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to connect with our guests to share the conservation

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work that we do, and of course the

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ability to come into our park to visit

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areas of our park that represent places

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all around the world that our guests could

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potentially never have the opportunity

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to go to and see the animals

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that we have in our park. I think is just

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an amazing opportunity.

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No, it really is.

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It really is.

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And I think to go into

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why you're here for us today, Not

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only is it all the cool stuff we do for

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conservation, our audience knows amazing

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wildlife. Audience knows we do great

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conservation work, and they know we know a lot

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about animals. But having you here at the table right now

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for us and for our audience is an opportunity

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to learn a lot that maybe goes

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unnoticed about animals and animal behavior.

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So I'm really excited that you're here, honestly,

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because this is gonna be really cool conversation.

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It's probably one of my favorite things

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to talk about is behavior,

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and especially about female.

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There you go, and that's a great segue.

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Yeah, me too, one hundred percent.

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This is great, especially for me in particular thinking

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about the fluidity of gender rules and wildlife

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as well. It's not the typical

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patriarchy that you see in other situations.

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It's a lot more going on in wildlife. And you

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have some pretty wicked examples

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that you were just kind of hinting at earlier in a conversation.

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Can you speak a little bit about them?

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Sure, you know, I've worked in the zoological

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world for over three decades now,

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and I just have always been fascinated

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with animal behavior, and

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so it's really really interesting. You

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know, we are talking a few minutes ago about

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matriarchal societies and patriarchal

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societies, and I just find it fascinating

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that with matriarchal societies,

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I think sometimes we think about dominance

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or aggression, and I don't necessarily

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think that that's the case. I think that

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it's more about leadership and influence,

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and when we really look at it, it really

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comes down to behavior. And

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so what is the purpose of matriarchal

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behavior and looking at it from

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a physiological standpoint,

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like why are females

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engaging in those behaviors and what is

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the purpose? And the purpose is

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all about survival. It's all about survival

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for the individual, but more importantly,

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it's usually about survival for the

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family.

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Right Yeah, And actually I was just thinking, guys, for all

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the little kids that are listening right now, when you're talking about

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matriarchal like, what do you mean exactly when we're talking

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about.

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That matriarchal is about the female,

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the female's role in the group or

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the family.

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Oh awesome, thank you.

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Yes, I think we're going to have a really I

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know we're going to really clear up the conversation, but

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I don't want to jump to gund I appreciate what you just did, Marco.

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Is we want to bring our audience into this conversation too.

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Yeah, we've all been working with wildlife for a very

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long time. We know all these terms, and so to

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set the stage for our audience, I

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want to point out what I think a lot of the general

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public already knows, which is lions or great example,

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you know, the big king of the jungle, he's got the main the

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souse guy right, or this big silver

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back gorilla. And we look at those when the

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male lions in charge of the pride, and silver

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back is in charge of the troop of gorillas.

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But we start to break this down a little bit.

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Yes, those boys do.

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Protect the family, but

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it's the females making the decisions for

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lions, for example, right when to hunt,

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where to hunt. They teach the younger females how

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to hunt. The pride moves because

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the females are deciding Okay, these other animals we're

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hunting or migrating, so we're going to go as well.

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So yeah, the boy does protect.

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The big male lion does protect, But it's the females

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that are making the big calls underneath

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the surface, you know, really making the movers and shakers.

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And we see similar stuff with the gorillas as well.

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It's those females deciding on where the proper

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food is for the troop, where they should

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go, taking care of the young, and then teaching the young as they

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come up, where the proper places

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are to eat, When is this food right versus not

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right? So we start to look at it that way.

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Even with the groups of animals that are considered.

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Male dominated or male lead.

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There's really a lot more the females

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are doing for that species than

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sometimes we give.

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Them credit for family at least for Maka as

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an example. And you know, we always make the joke it's the

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father, he's the one running the roofs, but we always making these like

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no, really, it's ma who

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is in control of all of it. But to your point,

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right, the rhino, the elephant, the line and we

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were saying are excellent examples of that.

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But there's much more going on the complexities.

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There's those social dynamics, right behavior wise you were

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talking about, right, freend there's so much

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more nuance that the females of the species

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are adding to the survival of that particular.

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Animal, right.

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And again, I think it's really about looking at

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those different behaviors and what is the purpose of

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those behaviors. And you know, Ricky,

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you just mentioned about gorillas

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and we put these behaviors

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in boxes and what we see traditionally

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from male and female, what their roles are.

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And I wanted to share a little story because

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I think Winston, our silver back at

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the Safari Park, is such a great example

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of you know, what we know of a traditional

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silver back is very dominant.

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They display aggressive behaviors. I

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would say he's not a typical silver

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back, and you know, he has a troop

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of females that he leads. And

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one of the wildlife care specialists said

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to me one day, you know Winston

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is the best in all of us,

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Yes, And I said, wow, I think

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Winston has something to teach all of humanity.

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He is just such a great representative

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for the human race. And the reason why I

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say that is he leads

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through respect, he leads through care

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and kindness. He definitely

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make sure that the troupe

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the females are all behaving

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and when they are a little unrest

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you know, he makes sure that he balances the

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females out. He's very

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tolerant. He lets the

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little ones, you know, get away with a lot.

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But he just he's Yeah, he's not the typical

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male behavior that you see. And so

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that's what I just I love to watch the

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behavior and see, you know, he doesn't

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have to display those behaviors, right,

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and so I wouldn't describe him as

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a typical silver back aggressive

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behaviors. He displays behavior

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that is needed for his troop.

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Yeah, that's great, you guys.

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It makes me think even bonobo, right, and whatever

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closest cousins. I mean, I'm always

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so fascinated with that topic of that societal

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difference between chimpanzees and bonism. We

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all know, but it's based on a female structure,

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relationships, tactile touching,

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cuddling.

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Sharing food.

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Yeah, the food sharing between them is like the big social

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direction.

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To your point, you know, attributing those animal

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behaviors to our own human behaviors.

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But we could learn a lot from bonobo or a gorilla,

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you.

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Know that respect, yes, and the bonobos,

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the females coming together, yes, and

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working together are far more

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greater against one male than

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say, chimps working against each other

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through using aggression. I mean, you can

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do a lot more through working together through

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influence and positivity than you

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can through violence.

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I am loving this trend of guys talk about

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girl power exactly.

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And I want to jump back to what you said about Winston not

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being the typical. I love the fact that wildlife

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always shows us there's always an exception to

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whatever rule. Whatever you might think

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about any species, there's always going to be one of them out

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there that's like.

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Well, or we could do it this way. I

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love that about Winston.

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You were brought up to earlier, the matriarchal

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stuff. And one thing I'm really excited about to Christy

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is that you're bringing to the table something we don't normally get

10:21

to talk about is killer whales.

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We'll get to them in a second, though.

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I want to ease into that because we

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did mention the term matriarchal. And although

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we talked about and referenced the gorillas and

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the lions, but the dominant males, the

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matriarchals that we do know a lot of people

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in general public knows that elephants are matriarchal.

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It's the female that leads the way, does all the stuff.

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You know, it's her offspring that tend to fall in place,

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or her sisters, whatever it may be. But

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then a lot of people may not know Meerkats

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and lemurs are also matriarchal with one

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female in charge.

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She does mate selection her boy.

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Her male partner only gets

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his status because she has selected him.

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And it's just an interesting thing that there are a lot more

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species out there than are matriarchal

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or female led. Then the average

11:04

person might know about.

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Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, I'm gonna bring a bird up,

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you guys, I'm gonna do it.

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Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Right now, let's talk about

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a cast to where you love life. I'll give you the shortest version.

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I mean, this female way bigger than the male,

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six foot tallways over one hundred pounds. Her

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territory encompasses a variety of

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different males in that territory. When it's

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breeding season, that male is going to try to call this

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female over. Now, he's got to think about consent.

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And we talked about this in the first episode of The Cobra

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Reading the Behavior Right Friend, Reading the behavior

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right, gets the green light from the

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female, so they copulight.

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She drops those eggs.

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And she is done, and she

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moves off and she's a career girl.

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She's got things to do. She moves off another

11:42

male, right, and all that structure. Yeah, he raises

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the babies.

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So I just love that.

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Different nuance of behavior with wildlife

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from a mammal to a bird, and

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even our marine wildlife as well. Right,

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and you're referencing the killer whale also, all these

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interesting dynamics that females playing

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these roles.

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Absolutely, it's amazing how

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animals came to be the way

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they are, right, Yeah, right,

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they know a lot more than we do.

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Yes, well with that.

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Then, the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance

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has been doing a lot of work with

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our partners, the National Ocean and Atmospheric

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Administration or NOAH, and together

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we're working to make sure there's the proper

12:22

health for the killer whales out there, using

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new technology to be able to gain samples that

12:27

otherwise just even five ten years ago, we

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couldn't imagine doing this work. But with drones

12:31

now not only can capture this information,

12:33

we can do real time studies on

12:36

it to make sure these animals are healthy. With that,

12:38

you have a vast knowledge of killer whales as well.

12:40

Speaking on this topic of matriarchal

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and dominancy versus leadership, let's

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have no pun intend to dive into killer whales.

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I heard it coming and I.

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Didn't mean good one. Rick Well,

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I'm absolutely thrilled that the San Diego

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Zoo Wildlife Alliance is partnering with

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this really and work with the Southern

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resident pod. They are an endangered

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group and this is really important

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work. I have been very passionate

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about this work, and they are an incredible

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species to learn from. They're a matriarchal

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society, and I think one of

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the things that's just so fascinating about

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the species is that I would

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ask people when they would look at killer whales,

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like who do you think is the most dominant animal?

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And they would always always say,

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oh, that large male, you know, that

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ten thousand pound male, he's in charge.

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And I said, no, it's actually her

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right there, the little, you know, five thousand

13:37

pound female, and yeah, they

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thought, wow, there's no way. So

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it's very interesting, and all the animals

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that we've been talking about today, it's very different, very

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variable, which again I love the diversity,

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right that different animals,

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different females. Some of them are larger, you

13:52

know hyena, the females are larger

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than the males. Yeah, you just talked about the

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cassereat. The females are very large. But another

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species, like the kailer wheels, the females tend

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to be smaller in size.

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So I don't know that that's incredible and

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be an apex predator, you guys. By

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that, I mean like they're the top of the food chain everyone

14:11

in case you're wondering, right, and to that point,

14:13

right, it's female based and they're the top

14:15

predator in the ocean.

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Are you kidding me?

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Yeah, it's all about attitude. Yes,

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So you know, they're incredible species.

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And also what's really really interesting

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about them is that they live in pods.

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The females that obviously grow

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up with the other females. They're learning those behaviors.

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So in my work with them, you

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would have the dominant, the matriarch, and

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you would have her offspring, who is

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maybe one thousand pounds

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a little calf be displaying you

14:45

know, these matriarchal behaviors because

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she had mom there to back her up. So

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you'd see this ten thousand pounds bull and

14:52

this little tiny baby displaying

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dominance over this giant bowl. It was

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just it was really interesting

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to watch that dynamic. And

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of course he would respect the calf because

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he knew Mom was right around

15:06

the corner. And they know to respect because that's

15:08

the matriarchs offspring.

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I can hear somebody in our audience asking me, how

15:13

does it work that a smaller female

15:15

can be dominant over a larger male

15:17

or bull?

15:18

As you said, so what is it?

15:19

Because I believe in general,

15:21

you go to the safari park, the tallest

15:23

male giraffe is the one in charge, you know, the big

15:26

bowl of the water buffalo is the one that's.

15:28

Leaving the group.

15:29

You know, we always think it's the big one who

15:31

creates that dominant space because of their sheer

15:33

size.

15:34

But the dynamic is very different here.

15:36

So can you expand on that?

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For us, It's all about behavior, right. You

15:39

see different ways that they swim, the

15:41

way they use their tail, they use their

15:43

teeth to rake one another. So

15:46

you watch the behavior of them and you'll see

15:48

animals move away from one another. You

15:50

just see them display certain dominance behavior.

15:53

So we would sometimes

15:55

say, like not that they can hear you, but

15:57

say, like, do you realize how big you are? And

16:00

you know they know it's it's a respect

16:02

they know that. Okay, I'm

16:04

going to respect that small animal because

16:07

they have to.

16:08

Yeah, I know it's a bit anthropomorphic

16:10

or putting human behaviors onto it, but it

16:13

almost sounds like you're saying it's about the attitude.

16:15

Yes, the attitude backs up the behavior

16:17

or vice versa.

16:18

Well, but I'm imagining the

16:20

classic honey badger facing off

16:22

with the lion and lion backing off.

16:24

Yeah, huge compared to the honey badger. But it's attitude.

16:27

So I almost feel is that a fair that's a great

16:29

comparison.

16:30

Absolutely, Even the value of that makes me think

16:32

of the culture of that pod, right, They're

16:35

preserving these essential tools

16:37

for hunting. I'm a huge predator fan, so that's

16:39

where my brain is going to Behaviorally, these

16:41

trades have to be taught to the next generation.

16:43

So it's valuable for the young

16:46

orca or kill a whale my apologies,

16:48

to learn from the dominant female and

16:50

get those traits to pass it on to the future

16:52

of that pod.

16:52

Right, that's right.

16:54

Well with that too, though, what Marko was just saying

16:56

about the learning from the

16:58

mother. Yes, we see that elephants

17:00

too, and a lot of studies have been done that if we lose

17:03

the matriarch to proaching

17:05

and the other older females, that the herd

17:07

kind of loses its history. It loses

17:09

like where's my migratory pattern? Where are the feeding

17:11

stops and the watering holes? Is that something

17:13

we would see in killer whales as well, if

17:16

the dominant or matriarchal female were

17:18

to be lost in that pod, if her

17:20

information hadn't been transferred down to her young

17:22

yet, is it possible that.

17:23

Pod loses its opportunities to rely

17:25

on the history.

17:26

Of her knowledge.

17:27

You know, I think it's different. It depends on

17:29

which pod you're speaking of, because you have two

17:31

different types of killer whales, and

17:33

also killer wells are found in every ocean of the world,

17:36

so it would be very dependent on what

17:38

group of killer wells that you were talking about.

17:40

Because the Southern resionent pod they

17:42

are mainly salmon eaters,

17:44

so yes, they are looking

17:46

for that salmon, which is a huge

17:49

issue for them, right because they're not only

17:51

looking for salmon which is not accessible

17:53

to them, but also the salmon is filled with toxins,

17:56

which is another issue that they're

17:58

dealing with. But you know, a lot of

18:00

people think that we were talking earlier

18:02

about killer well and the reason why they got their name

18:05

is that their killer of other whales, but

18:07

not all killer whales prey on dolphins

18:09

and whales. The Southern resident pods

18:12

they mainly prey on fish,

18:14

but the transient whales are whales

18:17

that move along our coasts. In fact,

18:19

I'm seeing a lot of information

18:21

on social media of killer wells moving

18:24

from Mexico up through California,

18:26

which has been amazing for people who live in

18:28

California because we don't normally

18:30

see killer wells along our coast. But

18:32

they are moving because they're trying to find food

18:35

sources. And the transient wells are the ones

18:37

that are preying on dolphins,

18:39

sea lions, and seals, so different

18:42

areas that those killer wells live in are

18:44

looking for those animals, so they're

18:47

not relying on a matriarch to go

18:49

and find they are literally they're

18:51

literally moving just trying to find

18:54

any food source. But

18:56

Southern resident pods, yes they

18:59

live in certain areas, they don't

19:01

leave those areas, but they move

19:03

around different areas and look for the salmon,

19:05

So yes, I think there could potentially

19:08

be an issue if they lost their matriarch

19:10

too soon.

19:11

That brings up another point.

19:12

There's so many different behaviors

19:14

seen in different residential areas of

19:16

these killer whales. You said they're in all oceans, but you

19:18

know, these behave this way, these behave that way, and

19:21

it's so fascinating.

19:22

The more we learn about these species,

19:24

the more we get to talk to people like.

19:25

You, Christian, the more it's like, oh, but wait a minute, what about

19:27

that?

19:27

There's just like question after questions, So I really appreciate

19:30

the information you're bringing to us.

19:31

And it's just one of those things where I'm

19:34

hopeful.

19:34

That this episode's an opportunity for people to

19:36

look at animal behavior and

19:39

instead of just going down the classic oh

19:41

that's the dominant male or that's whatever, is

19:43

to question like what am I seeing? Why is

19:45

this behavior happening? And the other part of

19:47

it too. It's sometimes the one in charge isn't even

19:50

the matrix. Sometimes decisions are made by

19:52

the secondary or whomever, you

19:54

know, So there's that layer two.

19:56

Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest mistakes

19:58

we can make is that we think that the

20:01

most submissive animal is

20:04

oftentimes is not the most submissive

20:06

animal. Oftentimes it's the next

20:08

animal in charge.

20:10

It's the animal that the most dominant animals

20:12

trying to keep at bay from taking

20:15

over. So you have to have more

20:17

observations and more understanding

20:19

of what's going on and why are animals

20:21

engaging in that behavior, which

20:24

then can tie into the human behavior.

20:25

Right.

20:26

Behavior is a function of consequence,

20:28

and so the more that you can observe

20:31

and try and understand. There are no bad

20:33

people, there are no bad animals.

20:36

It's all about behavior and trying to understand

20:38

why someone's doing something, why are they engaging

20:41

in that. I think we'll tell you

20:44

what you need to fix and what you need to offer.

20:46

Yeah, one hundred percent. So much we can learn from wildlife.

20:49

Thanks so much.

20:50

For making our brains work now I have

20:52

so many more questions.

20:53

Yes, so this is really really great friend.

20:55

Yeah, thank you so much for you. Really appreciate your time.

20:58

I loved it anytime.

21:01

What a great conversation with Christy.

21:03

Oh, I know, I mean she's amazing

21:06

and you know so much great insight into

21:08

leadership versus dominancy in the animal

21:10

kingdom, and I love how she reminded

21:12

all of us that it's the observation of

21:15

behavior that really gives us the information

21:17

we need to better understand wildlife

21:19

exactly.

21:20

And although there is a lot more out there

21:22

when it comes to how different species interact with

21:24

each other, or who leads the group troop

21:26

h I've heard or flock, I think it's fair

21:28

to say we learned a lot.

21:30

Today, and not just about the matriarchical leadership,

21:32

but also how these leadership positions

21:34

can be passed down from mother to daughter

21:37

instead of leadership just being taken by brute

21:40

force. It's something that is taught by

21:42

the elders and learned by the next generation.

21:44

Well here we are only episode two in this

21:46

season, and already you and I are both fascinated

21:48

by what our guests are bringing to each episode.

21:51

That is one hundred percent true, friend,

21:53

and our next episode promise is to be just

21:55

as interesting.

21:57

What a perfect segue a lead in if you will,

21:59

to wrapping up this episode, and we want to remind

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22:09

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