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our border with our country right

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now is in the operational control of

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NARCOTERIS, the cartels.

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Today, I sit down with Arizona Republican

0:08

candidate for governor, Kerry Lake.

0:11

Prior to running, she was an Arizona

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television news anchor for more than two

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decades. We take a deeper look into her

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motivation or battles and revision

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for the future. We

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can't lay paralyzed on the sidelines,

0:22

afraid we're gonna be attacked, afraid we're gonna be

0:24

canceled. We've been doing that. and look what's

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happening to our country. Our

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founding fathers for them America

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was an idea. For us, it's been an

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amazing reality. and I don't

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want America to be just a memory

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for our kids and grandkids.

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This is American thought leaders, and

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I'm Janja Kelek.

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Carrie Lake, such a pleasure to have you on American

0:46

thought leaders.

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I am so honored to be here,

0:48

Jan. I've watched your interviews for

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a long time now, and I've just I

0:53

feel lucky to be in this chair with you.

0:55

Very kind. We actually met

0:57

I think in mid-twenty nineteen

1:00

at a live taping of an American thought

1:02

leaders episode if I recall. And

1:06

you were you were doing some pretty serious

1:08

soul searching actually.

1:09

Yeah. It was one of it was one of the many times

1:11

I've been canceled. And by the left, I was in the middle

1:13

of my career, and I think I

1:16

had, like, a hot Mike

1:18

issue where somebody overheard me saying something,

1:20

which is basically me responding to

1:23

an attempt to silence that

1:25

the conservative voices are just voices.

1:28

You know, there is really an effort to get me

1:30

off of different outlets

1:32

and different social media platforms

1:34

like parlor. And and my

1:36

issue was, why we're reaching people?

1:39

You know, Twitter was pretty obvious to me way

1:41

back then was about sensoring.

1:43

And I was trying to get on other outlets

1:45

to try to reach people who had been censored

1:48

from Twitter. I wanted to hear their voices

1:50

as well. So I remember being

1:52

frustrated, and I was so excited

1:54

to meet you because I really admire the epic

1:56

times in their fair

1:57

journalism. you know,

1:59

and

1:59

it's funny as you're talking about this. I almost

2:02

thought for a second you're talking about your campaign,

2:04

but this is long before anything to

2:06

do with campaign. This is your you have your you

2:08

know, is it twenty two year job

2:10

as a Fox affiliate main host

2:12

at this local Fox affiliate in

2:15

Arizona? and but

2:17

you're starting to wonder what's going

2:19

on. And then I remember, I think about a year after

2:21

that, you come out with this with this

2:23

video where you indite the

2:25

media?

2:25

Yeah. Well, when we met,

2:27

I really was really noticing all

2:29

the censorship and and starting to see that it

2:31

was getting increasingly hard. to

2:34

speak truth because the

2:36

media has been taken over, the corporate

2:38

media, by a

2:40

liberal I mean, ninety percent of the people working

2:42

in corporate media are liberal. Some of them hardcore

2:45

leftist. And look, I mean, we gotta

2:47

have ideologies of everybody included.

2:49

they're looking at diversity based basically

2:51

based on skin color

2:53

or country of origin,

2:55

but they're not looking at diversity

2:57

based on ideology. And we've gotten stuck with

2:59

ninety percent of the people running the media

3:01

being Liberals. And I'm not opposed

3:04

to having liberal thoughts. That's great. but

3:06

let's have some conservative thoughts as well. So I

3:08

was seeing this happen. And then during COVID,

3:10

it really hit like a ton of bricks.

3:13

I saw that the media was pushing

3:15

an agenda to push only

3:18

one side of the COVID story. Any

3:20

little bit of information that could have been helpful,

3:22

that could have helped people get back on

3:24

to life as normal, that could have helped

3:26

people with their health. was being censored,

3:29

and it was very worrisome. This

3:31

wasn't just censoring for political

3:34

reasons. This was censoring when it was coming to people's

3:36

health. when it was coming to life or

3:38

death. This was censoring when it was

3:40

coming to the life or death of your business, to

3:42

the life or death of our children's

3:45

education. And I thought, wow,

3:47

I don't wanna be part of this. I can't be part

3:49

of this. It's not just unethical. It's

3:52

not just unbalanced and

3:54

biased. It is truly immoral.

3:56

What was happening in journalism

3:57

during COVID? So,

3:59

you know, when did you realize

4:02

this I mean, for me, the moment

4:04

was when I was watching Governor

4:06

DeSantis implement policy,

4:09

which after a while, I realized was quite

4:11

good policy and I was trying to figure out why. I

4:13

think he was doing something so different than

4:15

many than many other states and certainly all

4:18

many the big states. Right? Like,

4:20

Florida size -- Mhmm. -- or or larger.

4:23

When did you actually realize that there's something

4:26

really a miss? Was it right at the beginning?

4:27

Well, I would be honest, when

4:29

I started hearing doctor Fauci speak,

4:33

my little antenna went up. There was just

4:35

something about him and

4:37

the way he was presenting him self that

4:39

made me think. This doesn't feel like

4:41

he's on the up and up here. It feels like there's

4:43

something missing. You know, I guess it

4:45

was just my women's intuition. But

4:47

I started to really watch him with a

4:49

little more of a critical eye,

4:50

and it seemed like he was pushing against

4:52

anything that president Trump wanted to do that

4:54

might help. he was pushing

4:56

against, there was always a reason for no. Mhmm.

4:59

And when president Trump started

5:01

throwing out a few ideas about potential

5:04

treatments that might work, and it was met

5:06

with such hard core

5:08

resistance from the media.

5:10

I I got to thinking that this was the other way

5:12

around it. This was president Obama up there

5:14

throwing ideas out. The media would have run

5:16

and jump and explored all

5:18

of those treatments. How can we do a

5:20

story on them? Maybe they would work, but

5:22

their disdain for President Trump

5:24

was so obvious, and there was just an a

5:27

complete shutdown and censorship of anybody who

5:29

wanted to at least dig into and explore

5:31

these treatments that might save lives.

5:33

So that was a really big aha moment,

5:36

I guess, you could say. Another one

5:38

was during the election when that election

5:40

was called so quickly in Arizona before

5:42

And the polls had closed, but our understanding

5:44

where people are still in line voting.

5:47

And that election was called, and I

5:49

finally just went, this is This

5:51

is really disturbing what's going on. And

5:53

I did some heavy soul searching, a

5:55

lot of praying, and I it was

5:57

scary to walk away from a job. I was making

5:59

really

5:59

good twenty seven years covering

6:02

Arizona. Twenty two is the

6:04

main lead anchor, the the lead news

6:06

voice in the state. as making

6:08

a really healthy and hefty

6:11

paycheck. And I'm

6:13

embarrassed to say I didn't want to walk away

6:15

from that. I it was scary to

6:17

walk away from that. And I did a lot of

6:19

praying and I just said, God, I know this is the right

6:21

thing to do. Please, I'm I'm gonna do this.

6:23

I need you to have my back. And

6:26

then I ended up here, which

6:28

was not in the plans by the way.

6:29

Howard Bauchner: Right. No. No. So this is I wanted

6:31

to talk about this. You know, I think there's so

6:34

many people out there who

6:36

saw something amiss increasingly, you

6:38

know, starting in early twenty

6:40

twenty we're looking at COVID policy

6:42

and especially in a lot of the,

6:44

let's call it, big blue states. Right? We're

6:47

very, very frankly authoritarian policy

6:49

Right? Even even if they're temporary,

6:52

maybe even for the there's such an emergency

6:54

that you needed briefly. Right? You

6:56

can imagine, but there's still authoritarian

6:58

policy. Right? So basically, the

7:00

power is going to a very very

7:02

central place.

7:03

Yeah. Fifteen days to slow the spread, I

7:05

think all Americans were like, okay, we can

7:08

maybe get behind that. if this is really

7:10

bad, and then things just didn't make

7:12

sense. But we did have a couple of good governors.

7:14

You mentioned DeSantis and Christie Nome, I

7:16

think, handled it pretty well. Putting

7:18

the information out, letting the American

7:20

people understand what was going

7:22

on, at least to the best of her ability, what

7:24

she knew. And then saying, you

7:26

now know what's going on. You make the choices for

7:28

your family and your life and

7:29

your business? I can't this is what I was

7:31

gonna say. I can't tell you how many people have told

7:33

me I have a hefty pay

7:35

paycheck I have, you know, I have

7:37

to care for my family. I

7:40

saw what was happening was wrong.

7:43

I saw that the medical

7:45

information is being misrepresented. I

7:47

saw doctors being silenced. I saw

7:49

many things, but I just I couldn't

7:51

I couldn't step out. because

7:53

Well, what helped me with that

7:56

was realizing that

7:58

what good is that hefty paycheck? What

8:00

good is that retirement plan? Those benefits

8:03

any perks that came with that job if we don't

8:05

have a country at the end of the day

8:07

to enjoy that money. And what good

8:09

is my retirement if my children don't have

8:11

freedom? and that to me was

8:13

like, wow, I I will run

8:15

through every last penny that I

8:17

have to save this country. And

8:19

I think more and more people, Jan, are waking

8:22

up to that. We saw it with, you know, think

8:24

of the healthcare workers who were forced out

8:26

of a job. They were forced to either get the job.

8:28

or leave.

8:31

And many of them did get the job. They didn't

8:33

feel they could leave at that time for whatever reason.

8:35

Maybe it was they had to, you know, put

8:37

food on the table and they had to feed their children.

8:39

Obviously, that's a stressful stressful

8:41

difficult choice to make. But

8:43

others said, I'm walking away. I had just had

8:45

somebody reach out and I went through three jobs

8:47

during all of that. I'm not

8:49

making as much money as I used to make, but you know

8:51

what? I've got my principles intact.

8:54

And I did the right thing. And you know what? My

8:56

health is intact too.

8:57

And this was and we knew this

8:59

was sort of an insane thing to do,

9:01

like, policy because these were the

9:03

people that were most likely

9:05

to have natural immunity. They're in close

9:07

proximity to people with COVID all the

9:09

time. So basically, all of them almost had

9:11

natural manure, likely to, or had innate

9:14

immunity, it can never get infected. And those are

9:16

the people you're gonna fire. There were so

9:18

many examples Now, you know,

9:19

things that make sense. The

9:22

airline workers, I mean, talk about being

9:25

around people and having

9:27

immunity around every germ you can

9:29

imagine all day with their

9:31

job. And they were being forced to get

9:33

the jobs. So none of this just none of it

9:35

made sense I decided to to walk

9:37

away, but I did not decide to get into

9:39

politics until after I

9:41

walked away, when I finally resigned from my

9:43

job, I I put out a video

9:45

because I wanted the people of Arizona to know

9:47

why I was leaving. I didn't wanna just walk

9:49

away from that and disappear

9:51

and have them wonder. I wanted them to

9:53

know, I'm leaving this

9:55

career because something is not

9:57

right. And

9:57

you see it? I see it. I know

10:00

it. And so I put this video

10:02

out just to let the good viewers who had

10:04

invited me into their homes

10:05

for nearly thirty years, I put

10:07

that out to let them know.

10:09

And I did expect was it

10:10

would go viral within a matter of hours.

10:12

Well, and you said you don't like

10:14

the direction if I recall that the media

10:16

is going in. And so, you know, but the

10:18

media have been, you know, liberal, as you

10:20

said, you know, for quite a long time. I

10:22

mean, I I don't think but there's there's

10:24

something different.

10:25

Right? Something changed? Something

10:28

much bigger. I think it went from,

10:30

you know, low

10:32

level bias, at least I always felt

10:34

like I could keep it on the straight narrow

10:36

because I was the last line of defense. When you're the

10:38

anchor,

10:38

you're reading the stories. You're talking to

10:40

the viewer about it. And I

10:41

always felt like I kind of make

10:44

sure we were putting out an

10:46

unbiased product, but I think during COVID and I'm not

10:48

the only one in the media who felt

10:50

like wow, There's no control about

10:52

what's being put out right now. We're being controlled

10:54

by the government. We're being controlled

10:56

by Fauci. And that's where I

10:58

I think it went from a little bit on

11:00

the low scale to boom maxing out

11:02

on just propaganda in a

11:04

very short amount of time in a matter of

11:06

of weeks and months. So you're

11:09

initially no interest in

11:11

politics. I remember you had a you had

11:13

a a very different kind of job actually

11:15

lined up at the time. and

11:18

but then something this people came out.

11:20

I mean, this is what I remember you telling

11:22

me. I

11:23

I was at actually planning

11:25

to go work and do some media training for

11:27

an organization that I care deeply

11:29

about and that does great things. And I thought,

11:31

you know, I had a great career.

11:33

I'm just gonna say, what a great

11:35

career I had, chalk it up as that's the end of

11:37

my broadcast career. And I'll move

11:39

on to something a little more behind the

11:41

scenes, which I was totally ready to do,

11:43

be behind the scenes. Actually, I was

11:45

kinda looking forward to being behind the scenes. After

11:47

being the public eye for a long time, It's kind of

11:49

it sounded attractive to be behind

11:51

the scenes. And then an amazing

11:53

thing happened. I put that video out. It went viral

11:56

overnight. thousands

11:58

and thousands of messages came in over the

11:59

course of the next three weeks

12:01

month. And they

12:04

were so kind, really overwhelmingly

12:06

wonderful positive messages. Thank you for being

12:08

honest. Thank you for

12:09

covering our state so fairly for so

12:11

many years.

12:12

Thank you for telling us what's happening

12:14

in the media. But one of the

12:16

common threads that was very

12:18

common. It was like a steady drumbeat was,

12:20

would you please consider running through

12:22

office? We need people in

12:24

politics who we trust, who understand the

12:26

issues of our state, who understand us,

12:29

and that worlds go to hell in a hand

12:31

basket, and we trust you to get in there

12:33

and clean things up. And at first, I'm gonna

12:35

be honest, I I laugh the first few

12:37

messages I saw that said get into politics.

12:39

I'm thinking, are you kidding me? I'm just

12:41

leaving the corrupt world of

12:43

of media. And

12:45

they're suggesting I go into the even more

12:47

corrupt world the swamp of politics.

12:49

They must think I'm insane. And

12:51

I had zero interest in it,

12:53

but then it was such

12:55

a steady drumbeat that I thought, wow, maybe this

12:57

is God's way of tapping me on the shoulder

12:59

and saying I freed you up for this.

13:01

Well, and so before we jump

13:04

deeper into issues, because there's a ton I wanna

13:06

cover with you here. But let let's talk

13:08

about that. How important does

13:10

God or the divine fit into into

13:12

your picture here? more and more

13:14

important every

13:14

second of every day. I'm so

13:16

blessed that I I was brought up in

13:18

a household where faith was important.

13:21

My mother was Catholic, my father was

13:22

Lutheran, so I got confirmed in both churches,

13:24

and we went to Sunday school every

13:26

week. And, you know, that's how it was back

13:28

when I was growing up. Pretty much every kid had

13:31

some sort of a religious foundation, something

13:34

to base in their life what

13:36

is right and wrong. And I'm

13:38

so blessed to have grown up in that kind of

13:40

a family. And of course, in my twenties and thirties,

13:42

I kinda straight away after working,

13:44

you know, a long week and being busy with

13:46

the kids, I would I

13:48

would, you know, just hang out in the weekends with

13:50

them, but I've always felt the connection to God, a

13:52

very close connection. And

13:54

frankly, interestingly, it was during COVID.

13:56

that I ended up switching churches because

13:58

the church that

13:58

we belong to was

13:59

closed for COVID and

14:02

opened by appointment only. And

14:04

that was when I was going through all of this,

14:06

really struggling. I

14:08

remember thinking, we need to get our

14:10

butts

14:10

into a church right now. I just felt that

14:12

need and I ended up stumbling into a

14:14

different church, and that church really

14:16

opened my

14:16

eyes and changed my life. But

14:19

during that COVID time, I I was

14:21

working from home because half of the

14:23

staff went home and half stayed at the station just

14:25

in case we got COVID and we didn't want to get

14:27

everybody sick. And so I was

14:29

working from home and I was finding myself

14:32

listening to pastors on

14:34

YouTube and listening to different sermons

14:36

and I was finding myself reading the bible a lot

14:39

more and really leaning on

14:41

the bible, which I hadn't read

14:43

since I was young. since I'd gone

14:44

through confirmation. And so

14:46

to have all of this life experience from

14:49

reading the Bible when I was young in confirmation

14:51

class, To fast forward,

14:53

now I'm in my fifties, all of that light that has

14:55

happened, and I find myself opening up the

14:57

bible and reading it. In the

14:59

meantime, I'm also reading new scripts over

15:01

here, the bible here and I'm like, wow,

15:03

then the new scripts are lies. In

15:05

the bible, I found the truth. And

15:07

so it was really very

15:10

powerful

15:10

period for me spiritually

15:12

during

15:12

COVID. And I don't think I'm alone. I

15:15

think a lot of people have returned

15:17

and wrapped their arms around

15:19

I don't wanna just even call it religion, but around

15:22

god. You

15:23

know, absolutely fascinating

15:25

to me. One thing I learned

15:27

actually in one of your campaign videos.

15:29

They had no idea, but it's the year one of nine

15:31

kids. Right? That's that's

15:33

a different way of growing up.

15:35

They had family that are large like that as

15:37

well, but it's a completely different thing

15:39

than the typical, you know, nuclear

15:41

family with one or two kids. And the

15:43

ninth of nine. on

15:45

the last one. So thank goodness

15:47

my mom was pro life because I

15:49

was the baby. But a great way to grow

15:52

up because you you grow up

15:54

having to work together. You grow up with

15:57

adversaries, some days, friends,

15:59

other days. You know, one day, you might

16:02

have one sister who's your closest

16:04

friend, and the next day you're fighting with them, but at the end of the

16:06

day you come together because you're still family. We

16:08

had nine kids, eight

16:09

girls, and one boy. And

16:11

so I have a lot of sisters

16:14

and sisters fight

16:16

differently. Girls fight differently than

16:18

boys. That's that

16:20

helped me actually when I ran

16:22

in the primary. You

16:23

know, you have to fight for what you believe

16:25

in. And growing up in a family where

16:27

every day there's gonna be some tip or some

16:29

argument, you you have to

16:31

learn how to fight and make sure that you

16:33

are getting your points across. And so I think

16:35

that's why I'm able to make arguments and I

16:37

was able to be very effective in my communication skills

16:40

because I had spent a lot of time arguing with

16:42

my sisters when I was a

16:44

kid. Yeah,

16:44

I also know that

16:47

your, you know, your husband has

16:49

been very just generally very

16:51

supportive and, you know, but I

16:53

keep thinking about this. Right? It's a difficult

16:56

decision to make, especially at a time

16:58

when there's economic uncertainty. I mean,

17:00

we saw in between

17:02

twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. We saw,

17:04

you know, I mean, you could say the

17:07

largest wealth transfer in history. I'd

17:09

probably by orders of magnitude or something

17:11

like that happen. A lot of

17:13

business died and you're kind of

17:15

out there giving up you a

17:17

very, very lucrative, lucrative

17:20

job. I just wanna get you comment on this a

17:22

little bit about the sort of, you know,

17:24

the the family support My

17:26

husband's been amazing. Not only is he with me every step

17:28

of the way on on the campaign, but

17:30

in making that decision to leave,

17:33

I mean, he he would see the frustration

17:35

I felt, and I would come out of my office

17:37

after anchoring the newscasts, and I was, I

17:39

can't do this much longer. How do I

17:42

continue. I mean, I I got into journalism

17:44

to tell the truth, and I don't feel like

17:46

that's possible right now. So he

17:48

could see the frustration. And when I said, I

17:50

really wanna walk away from this. you

17:52

know, he just we we looked

17:54

at what was gonna happen financially. You're gonna

17:56

take a huge hit. And

17:58

but he said, I I can't expect you

18:00

to do a job that you believe

18:02

is immoral. That it goes against who

18:05

you are. That would be the

18:07

worst thing. And so he's been very supportive and

18:09

we had a little bit of savings and we've been living

18:11

off of that. And like I

18:13

said, what does all of this

18:15

money benefits,

18:16

all of that matter if we don't have a

18:18

country. And I fear we are very

18:20

close to that moment where we won't have

18:22

our freedoms in a country. If we don't

18:25

get in real people who love this country get

18:27

involved, like our founding fathers

18:29

envisioned. And they didn't envision a

18:31

political class doing all the they were

18:33

escaping that. They envisioned real

18:35

men and women, real Americans stepping

18:37

up, and running for office,

18:39

getting involved, representing their fellow

18:41

countrymen, and and

18:43

helping out. you know,

18:44

there's people like, for example, one of

18:46

our colonists head of the Brownstone Institute,

18:49

Jeffrey Tucker, who, you know,

18:51

basically saw what was happening with

18:53

the various shelter in place, otherwise known

18:55

as lockdown policies and said, you

18:58

know, centuries of

19:00

progress have just come to an end.

19:03

type of sentiment is something that so many people really

19:05

from across the spectrum left and right

19:07

have been saying to me.

19:09

Right? As we we've just kind

19:12

of watched dramatic social

19:14

change happen -- Mhmm. -- over several years.

19:17

Right? So I

19:19

guess my question is, it

19:23

sounds alarmist to say we don't have a

19:25

country. Right? And that might even sound

19:27

like a political talking point to say we don't have a

19:29

country. You have to elect me. That's a but

19:31

tell me what you're thinking about. What

19:33

I'm thinking is, I mean, I'm

19:35

in Arizona. We're we're not that far from the

19:37

border right now. where we're sitting right now, we're less than

19:39

a hundred miles from the border, much

19:42

closer

19:42

than that, actually. And we

19:44

don't have a border right now. Our

19:47

border with our country right now is

19:49

in the operational

19:49

control of narcoterrorist, the

19:52

cartels.

19:52

We don't have control of our border right

19:54

now. Everyone's pouring the cross.

19:57

five million people have poured across our

19:58

border since Joe

19:59

Biden took office. We went from having the most

20:02

secure border

20:03

with Mexico. under President

20:06

Trump to on day one Joe Biden

20:08

coming into office and for some reason

20:10

pulling that back and exposing us

20:13

to crime

20:14

to drugs, to

20:15

smuggling, to trafficking of children.

20:18

And I don't know why. I'm trying to figure

20:20

out why. because right now, it appears that

20:22

Joe Biden is on the side of the

20:24

cartels. And the people of Arizona

20:26

have had enough. We don't have a country

20:28

if we don't have a border. Millions

20:30

have come in and millions more will until

20:32

we get some strong governors who will put their

20:34

foot down and say no. We're going

20:36

to secure the borders in our states. We're not

20:38

going to allow our country to be

20:41

overrun with the most deadly

20:43

drug that we've ever seen, fentanyl.

20:45

You know, you know, for your listeners out

20:47

there and I know that very much aware of history. You

20:49

don't have to go that far back to remember the

20:51

opium warts. Opium warts. You

20:53

can bring down a dynasty.

20:56

with drugs.

20:57

And they're trying to do that. They're hitting us

20:59

from every angle. They're hitting us with the drugs

21:01

pouring and killing a hundred thousand

21:03

or more last last year, young people. These are

21:05

eighteen to forty five.

21:06

Number one cause of death is not cancer and

21:08

car crashes.

21:09

It's not

21:11

COVID. It

21:12

is absolutely the drugs that are coming in across

21:14

our southern

21:15

border. We don't have

21:16

fair elections. Our elections are a

21:18

mess. and we don't

21:20

have a border. We're not going to have a country much longer.

21:22

That's what I mean by this. And not

21:25

to mention, then you look at

21:26

our constitution, which is under siege. our

21:28

first

21:28

amendment. I go everywhere I go across the

21:31

state, I have talked to hundreds of

21:33

thousands of of Arizona's in

21:35

person. And I asked them, how many

21:37

of you feel that your first amendment rights are intact?

21:39

How many of you show me raise your hand. How

21:41

many of you feel

21:42

that your freedom of speech

21:45

is intact? not

21:46

a single hand goes up.

21:48

If

21:48

you're conservative, you don't

21:50

have freedom of speech. We saw our religious freedoms

21:53

taken away when the government shut

21:55

down our churches. And we see

21:57

the press, which is completely

21:59

gone crazy. They're nuts.

22:02

So the first amendment's on shaky ground

22:04

right now. That's why I'm not spoken because I'm gonna

22:06

speak my mind and use my freedom

22:08

of speech while we still have it. Now they're

22:10

trying to chip away at the second

22:12

amendment.

22:12

our

22:13

right to bear arms.

22:15

And what's next? They don't want the

22:18

constitution next. So we gotta save this

22:20

country. That's what I'm referring to. And it's

22:22

not just a political talking point. It's a reality. I

22:24

have two children I would certainly like for

22:26

them to have the freedoms and the

22:28

opportunities that I had coming up.

22:30

And even though I grew up in a in a home

22:32

that was poor, I had a lot of

22:34

love and I have wonderful siblings and I'm so

22:36

blessed for that upbringing, But

22:38

coming from those humble beginnings, I was still able to

22:40

live the American dream. It's getting harder and

22:42

harder and harder for our young people.

22:45

they can't even imagine being able to

22:47

purchase a home right now. A lot of our young

22:50

people. They're so buried under debt. They've

22:52

been all sent off to college to get

22:54

degrees. Many of them don't need. We've let the trade

22:56

skills. We've

22:57

ignored the trades where we need

23:00

workers. We're sending our kids off to get

23:02

into debt. with degrees that are

23:04

meaningless when we really should be pushing them into the

23:06

trades and vocational training to

23:08

actually get a job so they have a

23:10

better chance. at living that American

23:12

dream. So,

23:14

you

23:14

know, the censorship that you're describing,

23:16

I mean, you've experienced it yourself.

23:18

Yeah. Right? And And just in

23:21

general, what has been the impact on you

23:23

and your family, with you

23:25

stepping into the spotlight you

23:27

know, running. It's interesting. I felt

23:29

the censorship more when I was a journalist because you really

23:31

are

23:31

supposed to keep your personal opinions to

23:34

yourself. And I was good at doing

23:36

that. I mean, people during this run

23:38

said, I didn't even know you were conservative. I didn't

23:40

know where you were. And I said, that's because I

23:42

was an honest

23:43

journalist. you shouldn't know where I stand

23:45

on politics. And so the

23:47

greatest thing about stepping out and getting into politics

23:49

when I finally said, you know, this is what I think

23:51

God maybe has freed me up for. and

23:53

we've been very successful in

23:56

in politics for being a newbie.

23:58

The nicest part of it is

23:59

that I can't speak my mind. in

24:02

a way I feel for you, Jan,

24:04

because you don't have freedom of speech, at least

24:06

to speak your opinions,

24:07

because you are a fair journalist.

24:09

but now I can. And

24:11

I love being able to speak my mind and

24:13

tell people what's up and what I think and what I

24:15

think are great solutions to our problem. So

24:17

I love

24:17

that part. Am I being

24:19

censored? I'm sure shadow banned and all that with

24:22

with Twitter, but we have more options now. We

24:24

got through social. We have get or we have

24:26

other ways of getting our message out

24:28

rumble. and I'm using each and every one

24:30

of those platforms. We

24:31

reach millions of people on

24:33

social media. We have run campaign

24:36

that hits social media hard. We

24:37

wanna reach more people. And

24:39

we're

24:39

reaching on every platform we can. We

24:41

are going

24:42

out. We're taking our our issues

24:44

and our solutions on the

24:45

road. And my husband

24:48

videotapes everything that I do when we put it up

24:50

on our rumble page, and we

24:52

I didn't even realize this, but we have now have

24:54

a national campaign. People from all

24:56

over the country are writing, are sending

24:58

in donations, are sending in messages

25:00

of encouragement because they're seeing what we're

25:02

about here in Arizona. Thanks to

25:05

social media. I'm using it to our

25:07

advantage right now.

25:10

You don't

25:11

treat all media the same way. I was just watching

25:13

a press scandal that you had been

25:16

in I think this was after

25:18

your opponent

25:20

kind of decided not to debate you.

25:23

And and there's one I don't even know

25:25

what newspaper was, but you you think you

25:27

said, you're actually your

25:29

newspaper is a reg. I'm not gonna talk to

25:31

you. Next question. Now that

25:34

that might that might seem overly

25:36

that might seem overly harsh to

25:38

some. Right? And, like, why why why Why

25:40

couldn't those people have the benefit of your opinion?

25:42

It might be the question. I

25:42

have given them many interviews.

25:45

And in every since the very beginning of

25:47

the day, since before I stepped in, when

25:49

I was in journalism and I was trying to

25:51

get information out to people

25:53

about Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine

25:56

talking putting out information on my social media as

25:58

a journalist just about other ideas that

25:59

were out there on COVID. Doctors who were

26:02

saying, wait a minute, This

26:04

actually might work better. This might be a way

26:06

to save lives. That paper

26:08

was actively writing attack pieces on

26:09

me, saying I was trying to

26:12

kill people.

26:12

Now that I've been in the campaign, I offered

26:15

them I I offered them many

26:17

interviews saying, look, we have a great policy here. We got a

26:19

policy on the board that you've never

26:21

even covered. I'll sit down and do an interview with you on that.

26:23

They sit down and you can tell by the

26:25

tone of each question that it's an

26:27

attack piece to trying to tear

26:29

down the policy, which is fine. I'm okay with

26:31

that.

26:31

I can answer those, but it turns out

26:33

to be just attack after attack

26:36

So at the end of the day, I just said, you know, why are

26:38

we wasting our time with them? And so

26:40

for that paper, it's gonna be

26:42

a very long, dry, eight

26:45

years. because I will not work

26:47

with propagandists. I've given them many,

26:49

many chances, and they're only

26:51

interested in running hit pieces. And

26:53

so that's why I said that. The America

26:55

first movement, I just want to touch

26:57

on that very briefly.

26:59

It seems to me like a

27:02

a whole bunch of policies

27:04

that traditionally would be considered

27:06

centrist and, you know,

27:08

maybe JFK Democrat or something

27:10

like that would be would be close

27:12

to that. But somehow, it's

27:14

seen as, you know, is

27:17

being described as extremist by

27:19

some even the highest levels of

27:21

government. That is

27:22

so true. It's funny. I've been

27:24

having these conversations with people saying,

27:27

these are policies that you might have even

27:29

seen Democrats embracing

27:30

before. We wanna bring manufacturing back.

27:32

We

27:32

wanna make sure and bring it to Arizona. We

27:35

wanna make sure that the middle class is

27:37

healthy. That when our

27:39

industries have workers, so we

27:41

have people ready for the trades. These

27:43

are issues that the Democrats used

27:45

to be for. And now they're

27:47

opposed to something happened politically, and I

27:49

don't know. You might wanna talk to somebody who's

27:51

a historian. We we saw the

27:53

creation of the union

27:53

party with the Democrats and Republicans in DC

27:55

kind of formed one big party, and they

27:57

were they also known as the swamp. And

27:59

when

27:59

president Trump

28:00

came in, he had to kind of break that up.

28:03

And and you really started to

28:04

separate and see who who really does want

28:06

to put

28:06

America first and who's just part of this

28:09

Washington

28:09

DC swamp. But I I see the America

28:12

first movement as bringing

28:14

in and we're seeing some Democrats pull

28:16

away saying this is not the party that we

28:18

thought it was. They don't care about the

28:20

middle class. They don't care about the working class. They don't care about

28:23

security, and they're starting to pull over to come into

28:25

our movement. And a lot of

28:27

the Republicans see

28:29

it the way to have success in

28:31

dealing with issues that we've been dealing

28:33

with for decades now. The

28:35

policies that work It's all about

28:38

solutions, a secure border.

28:40

Who's not for that? Why would you not

28:42

be for a secure border? Why would you want to

28:44

have drugs pour across? These are

28:46

really common issues. We want safe

28:49

streets. Who would not want to have

28:51

safe streets? These are

28:53

totally centrist. And that's why I tell people,

28:55

go to our website, go to our issues page,

28:57

every single issue that we we

28:59

talk about. All of my policies

29:01

are there, and I think they're good for

29:03

all Arizona's whether they're Democrat,

29:05

independent, or

29:06

Republican. Or I think this globalist

29:08

movement to try to drag us into some

29:10

one big globalist kind of agenda

29:13

where we don't really have nations, we don't have

29:15

borders. The people are waking up to

29:17

that and they do not want

29:19

it. there's a lot of

29:19

people right now who are what you'd call

29:22

blackpilt. Okay? At least

29:24

I I come across them all the time. People

29:26

are saying, I

29:29

just don't think there's gonna be any change. People have

29:31

tried change. It gets there's

29:34

there's pushback. And

29:36

in the end, nothing really

29:39

happens. What's the point? I hear

29:41

that a lot actually.

29:44

What do you think? It's kind

29:45

of a nihilistic view. There's no hope.

29:47

I'm I'm an optimist. I

29:50

really am. Because maybe it's

29:52

easier for me to be an optimist because I'm on

29:54

the campaign trail now. And I go

29:56

to an event where they would normally have thirty

29:58

people. This is how

29:59

it started. We're having you at an event,

30:02

Republican women, we have thirty people, and then they will

30:04

call a few weeks later and say, you know, we're moving it to the

30:06

auditor, and we have a hundred and

30:08

fifty. That's a really good sign

30:10

when you're a politician. And

30:12

we do events. This has been since the

30:14

beginning. They're growing, growing, growing, growing. We decide

30:16

to have an event and we book it

30:18

three or four days out, a couple

30:20

hundred people

30:21

show up. People are

30:24

very enthusiastic they're getting involved. Young

30:26

people are getting involved in our campaign

30:28

because they were tortured. I'll tell you the

30:30

young people were tortured during

30:32

COVID. They were the last ones to get the masks off their beautiful

30:34

faces. And in a hundred and fifteen

30:36

degree heat in Arizona, wearing

30:38

a mask is like living in

30:41

hell. And so we've got a

30:43

young movement of people who are involved

30:45

in what we are talking about, which

30:47

is putting Arizona first. I'm very hopeful

30:49

because of that. There's a movement. There's

30:51

something going on right now. It's so

30:53

beautiful. It's so exciting. And you see

30:55

it with President Trump STILL BEING

30:57

ABLE TO DROW IN CROWDS OF

30:59

twenty, thirty, forty, fifty. I THINK HE

31:01

DREW, MAYBE sixty thousand IN

31:03

FLORENCE WHEN HE CAME IN JANUARY. are

31:05

massive crowds that people are awake. There

31:07

might be a few people who are

31:09

not optimistic, but I am because I

31:11

know the power of the human

31:14

being is so massive. And when you get

31:16

a whole bunch of us together working toward the same

31:18

goal protecting and saving our country,

31:20

nothing can stop that. I

31:21

wanna dive into

31:24

this

31:24

first amendment question, this,

31:27

you know, kind of define some of

31:29

the reason you decided to do what you're doing

31:31

now. You know, there's a lot of

31:33

evidence that's come out that,

31:35

you know, government agencies have been

31:38

influencing some of these media companies

31:40

or big tech, some biggest social media

31:42

companies to either censor, to

31:44

silence, sometimes even deep platform --

31:46

Yeah. -- people. And,

31:48

you know, so, you know,

31:50

people I'm talking are saying, these are flagrant first

31:52

amendment violations, but

31:55

they seem to persist. There's legal

31:57

challenges now There's a number of significant

32:00

ones. But how

32:02

do you see this unfolding?

32:05

Well,

32:05

I really disturbed to find out the government

32:07

was involved in some of that. I mean, when

32:09

the government was I think it was

32:11

the FBI when it came to

32:14

telling Facebook not to air and put

32:16

out anything on Hunter Biden's

32:18

laptop.

32:19

That is

32:20

horrifying. Media should be all

32:23

over that story. That's fascism. Really,

32:25

that's truly fascism, by the way.

32:27

And they're telling a company

32:29

what

32:29

to do. and controlling that company? Well, to

32:32

be fair, you know, if I recall what

32:34

what Mark Zuckerberg said he said, oh, they just

32:36

told us that there'd be some Russian

32:38

disinformation coming soon. Yeah.

32:41

So well,

32:41

and and Zuckerberg decided to to

32:44

censor that pretty much, and Twitter

32:46

censored that, and really disturbed when the government's

32:48

getting involved and doing that. But

32:51

I think competition is always good. We're

32:53

seeing other social media that's

32:55

coming up. And maybe these companies will just people

32:57

would get sick of them and leave, but I think that there

32:59

should be some restrictions on them, especially

33:01

when they're censoring

33:01

political figures. I mean,

33:03

the fact that they kicked president Trump

33:06

off of Twitter is should have been met

33:08

with complete outrage by everybody. Everybody

33:10

in the media, if they really truly care

33:13

about freedom of speech in the first amendment which you should as a

33:15

journalist and they didn't. Many of them

33:17

applauded that. So we have to make some changes

33:19

and I think there has to be

33:22

repercussions to that kind of

33:24

attack on our first amendment rights, and we'll see

33:26

what we can do here in Arizona. I know

33:28

Governor DeSantis has made some moves in

33:31

Florida And, hey, if we need to just copy

33:33

that full on, we will. We don't need to

33:35

reinvent the wheel if it's working, but

33:37

we want the ability to speak

33:39

freely. You know, we used

33:41

to have it with the telephones. It compared a

33:43

telephone to what we have

33:45

with Twitter social media now. Imagine if

33:47

you were on a phone call and you and I were talking about

33:49

something and the phone company didn't

33:51

like what we were talking about and they just cut

33:53

the line. This is outrageous. This is in effect what's

33:55

happening with social media, and it's got

33:57

to stop. Howard Bauchner: Is

33:59

there

33:59

a

33:59

governor that you draw inspiration from

34:03

then? My

34:03

favorite governor of all time was

34:05

Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California. I his

34:07

whole life is

34:10

just amazing. he and I grew up

34:12

about an hour apart, obviously, a few decades apart, and he was the

34:14

he was the president of my youth.

34:18

but his his rise to politics is so

34:20

inspirational. Coming from his acting

34:22

background, and he also had some broadcast

34:26

background. And, you know, they said a lot of the same things about him that they said about

34:28

me. What does he know? He's a former

34:30

Democrat. He's just an actor. He

34:32

just reads

34:34

scripts. But he was an optimist. He had great ideas. He knew

34:36

right from wrong, and he was a great communicator.

34:38

And he got into California time

34:40

when that state was in shambles.

34:44

and helped turn it around by bringing outsiders into politics.

34:46

He didn't just rearrange the

34:48

the chairs on the deck of the

34:50

Titanic, moving Bureaus around. He

34:53

brought in fresh blood. Fresh

34:56

eyeballs to the government who could look around and

34:58

say, wait a minute. There's incredible waste going on

35:00

here. Why are we doing this? had experience

35:03

and success in the private

35:05

sector. And that's what I plan to do as

35:07

governor. I thought he was fantastic. And then, of course,

35:09

he came in, as you know, as

35:11

president, at time our country was in great

35:14

despair. Jimmy Carter had

35:16

left America almost in an ashype

35:19

and and president Ron Reagan

35:21

came in and gave us great optimism and hope

35:23

that we could get out of that. We could climb out

35:25

of that. We could do it by coming together

35:28

as Americans. and he pushed something that

35:30

unfortunately has been now turned

35:32

into denigrated.

35:34

He pushed Patriotism,

35:36

a love for this

35:37

country. We all come from different backgrounds. We

35:39

all come from

35:42

different areas Some of us are

35:44

immigrants, some of us are been been citizens since the beginning

35:46

of this country and native.

35:50

and we all have one thing in common. We have this great country that we love and

35:52

we wanna protect. And with president Trump,

35:54

I think he wanted to do the same thing.

35:56

And that's when the media started attacking.

35:59

and attacking

35:59

patriotism, attacking saying the

36:02

pledge of allegiance, attacking the

36:04

national anthem. And it's been

36:06

an all out assault on

36:08

people showing patriotism and love for this country. We

36:10

need to come back and return to that

36:12

for the sake of our country.

36:14

So we've discussed the border.

36:16

We've discussed the first amendment somewhat. These

36:18

are obviously, you know, key platform issues for

36:21

you. What are the others that are that

36:23

are, like, really top of mind. They all kind of come together

36:25

when you think about the border. How do you

36:27

take a handle, get a handle on it? And we are

36:29

going to tackle chronic street homelessness. How do you

36:31

get a

36:31

handle on that? and get people

36:34

off drugs, which we're planning on doing. We're

36:36

gonna get people into treatment. How do

36:38

you do that if you have an

36:40

unending source

36:42

of drugs pouring across the border. So we have to tackle the

36:44

border. There's no if sands and

36:46

butts. We can't look the other way. And we

36:48

will do that our

36:50

article one section ten powers in the US

36:52

constitution. We're gonna get

36:52

boots on the ground. We're gonna hit key

36:54

areas, stop

36:55

people from coming over rather than allowing

36:57

them to come in. and we're gonna

36:59

take a really hard stand on the border when it

37:01

comes to illegal activity. And then we're

37:04

gonna tackle chronic street homelessness

37:06

because we can't restore

37:08

safe streets We can't come back to a law and order if

37:10

we have thousands of

37:12

people living on

37:12

the streets, many of them hardcore

37:16

drug users that are using

37:18

drugs and many causing crime. So we're

37:20

gonna

37:20

get them help. I don't believe for one second

37:22

that God envisioned any one of us to live

37:24

on the streets with a needle in our

37:26

arm. We're going to work to streets urban

37:28

camping by building enough shelter beds to

37:30

get people help. And there will be

37:32

a segment of that population that doesn't

37:35

on how they're choosing to live on the street.

37:38

Unfortunately, many of our policies have enabled

37:40

that. Many of our policies have

37:42

enabled people. on

37:44

streets, use and sink further

37:46

into despair. Think about

37:48

that. We've got an industry that's formed

37:50

around homelessness and not everybody in that

37:52

industry wants to solve the

37:54

problem. So no more state money will go to

37:56

any homeless program that does not

37:58

show results. We're going to get people

37:59

services first, get them

38:02

job and help them become contributing citizens to our

38:04

society. And there might be some

38:06

people who don't want that. And in that

38:08

case, we will start

38:10

going after them for the crimes that are being committed, vandalism,

38:12

public drug use, it's called broken windows,

38:14

policing. I know you're aware of

38:16

what that is. And, you know, if you lived in

38:18

New York City during Rudi Giuliani's

38:21

tenure

38:21

as mayor, you saw how he turned that city

38:23

around quickly. We're gonna do that in

38:25

Arizona. Broken windows, policing is basically

38:27

you go out each

38:29

little crime because little crimes lead to bigger

38:32

crimes. Broken windows, blight,

38:34

prostitution, that kind

38:36

of stuff. will detract from a neighborhood and pretty soon

38:38

more crime comes into that neighborhood and

38:40

more crime. So we're going after

38:42

all of that. And we're

38:44

going to push cities to do that kind of

38:46

policing. And I

38:48

think they will because state shared funding

38:50

will be attached. to that kind of

38:52

policing. The cities need to

38:55

serve their residents, and the

38:56

residents want safety. We don't

38:59

have that right now. Also education. My education

39:01

plan calls for funding the student, but thankfully we

39:03

have that now. Our legislature along

39:05

with some amazing groups and great parents

39:07

worked really hard for

39:10

all, which is people call them vouchers.

39:12

But basically, right now in Arizona,

39:14

you can take your son or daughter

39:17

If you don't like the school they're going to and you can move

39:19

them to another school and the money follows. That's

39:21

huge. That's so massive. We're gonna take

39:23

it a step further and start pushing

39:25

for dual track education. After tenth grade,

39:27

your student can decide that they want to take that track and go off to

39:29

a four year college and then keep going

39:31

with the college

39:34

prep classes. or if

39:36

they want to go and get a

39:38

skill, some work skills. We're going to

39:40

bring back trade training, trade skill

39:43

training, vocational training, career certification starting in high

39:46

school

39:46

after tenth grade so that kids can get out

39:48

of high school and have a

39:50

real chance at making a good living.

39:53

I was down here not too far from where we are

39:55

at in the Vail School District near

39:57

Tucson, and they have

39:59

a

39:59

great program It's a vocational program right in their high

40:02

school. From culinary arts to

40:04

career certification, you name it, but the

40:06

welding program was so popular they had

40:08

to expand

40:10

it. Every single student in that class not only looked

40:12

happy, they were using their hands, they knew

40:14

what they were learning, was something they were actually

40:16

gonna use in the real world.

40:18

and the instructor said, carry every single one of these kids. There must

40:21

have been about thirty in there. We'll get

40:23

out of high school with their diploma and

40:25

a full time job offer

40:28

making seventy to a hundred thousand dollars a year with benefits

40:30

and zero college debt.

40:33

Why are we not preparing our

40:35

kids

40:35

in high school for

40:37

the real world?

40:38

Why do we make them get out and try

40:40

to search for some sort of job training? Search for another

40:43

degree. We don't need

40:45

that. Many of them don't need that. The jobs are there. We

40:48

just need to make sure they're getting out

40:50

ready for them. Howard

40:51

Bauchner: You

40:54

obviously have you

40:54

know, strong team advising you on policy. You know,

40:57

you have this outspoken uncompromising

41:00

approach. It seems. Right? And

41:03

I'm wondering if some of your advisers ever tell you, Carrie,

41:05

you need to tone it down and, you

41:08

know, do it differently.

41:10

Is that

41:10

Not not so much. Maybe a little I I go to them

41:12

sometimes and I say, I I

41:15

really like this policy. Let's let

41:17

help me find a way to

41:19

explain it really in a basic way because

41:22

I don't like when you throw policy

41:24

out and it's just numbers and I

41:26

came through

41:28

storytelling. from a television to journalism background. And I wanna make things

41:30

simple so people understand. These issues are

41:32

real basic. We can see what the

41:35

issues are. Let's make the policies,

41:37

the solutions, a little easier for everyone to understand. So not

41:39

so much. I think they've learned that I I do

41:41

find on my own.

41:44

you know, they understand that, you know, telling me what to say is probably

41:46

not gonna work. As I've been speaking, for

41:49

thirty years, I understand the

41:51

issues, I covered them. Not

41:53

many

41:53

careers, and I'm so blessed to have had a career

41:56

in journalism, require you

41:58

every

41:58

day to walk in the door at work

42:00

wrap your arms around the biggest issue facing the

42:02

state, dig into that issue,

42:04

understand it, find the experts on

42:06

that issue, and then explain

42:10

it to the viewer or the reader so that they understand

42:12

the issue. And that's what I've been doing for

42:14

thirty years. So I really I think people

42:16

are surprised that here's this

42:19

television journalists coming into

42:21

politics and that I'm so well versed on

42:23

so many things, but that's what I've been covering

42:25

for thirty years, this beautiful

42:27

state of Arizona. And so I don't need a lot of people telling me

42:29

what to do, but I'm never afraid to ask for

42:32

help. I'm never afraid to go to

42:34

the experts. That's how we put our policy

42:36

together. Going

42:38

to the efforts. And and and that's how we're gonna

42:40

continue going forward. Hey,

42:41

listen, I've got great policy.

42:42

It's right there on my website.

42:45

And I think all of it's gonna work to

42:47

bring solutions. Will it work a hundred percent

42:49

the way we've laid it out? Maybe not.

42:51

You know, obviously, you you come

42:53

up with plans and sometimes you have

42:55

to make adjustments. We will have to make adjustments. We will have missteps

42:58

along the way. And I'm sure the media will

43:00

capitalize on every misstep

43:02

we have. and they'll cover it

43:04

for days on end. But we'll

43:06

adjust and we'll keep moving forward. We have to

43:08

move forward in tackling these problems.

43:10

We can't lay sit

43:12

paralyzed on the sidelines waiting for the

43:14

media afraid we're gonna be attacked. Afraid we're

43:16

gonna be canceled. We've been

43:18

doing that. We're afraid we're gonna be canceled, so we don't speak

43:20

out. We're afraid we're gonna be canceled or lose

43:22

a client, so we stay silent. And

43:24

look what's happening to

43:26

our country. I'm not

43:28

afraid anymore. I'm not afraid of being

43:30

canceled. They can call me whatever

43:32

they want. What I'm afraid of

43:34

is not doing something. I'm

43:36

afraid of what happens to our

43:38

country. You know, as I said in a

43:40

speech at CPAC, our founding

43:42

fathers, for them, America was

43:44

an idea. For

43:45

us, it's been an amazing

43:48

reality. An amazing

43:48

reality. And I don't want

43:51

America to be just a memory

43:53

for our kids and grandkids.

43:55

too important. So we're

43:56

gonna get in there. We're gonna do a lot of

43:58

work. We're rolling our sleeves up, Jan. And

44:00

that work ethic I got growing up in

44:02

the Midwest and a big family is gonna help.

44:04

and we're gonna tackle all the hard problems. And we're gonna

44:07

work fast, and we're gonna work hard, and we're

44:09

gonna bring about great change for the people of Arizona.

44:11

And I think other states will

44:14

follow suit especially when it comes to that border. I was in

44:16

Texas about a week and a half

44:18

ago, and the people of Texas were

44:19

so into what's going on. They're following

44:22

our race

44:24

the rooting for us because they want more to be done in

44:26

Texas. They want governor Abbott to

44:28

do more. I'm not governor yet.

44:30

I can't do it right now.

44:33

but

44:33

I'm telling you starting January when I

44:35

take the oath of office

44:38

immediately after taking my hand off

44:40

the bible. we're gonna sign and issue a declaration of

44:42

invasion and start tackling that problem on the

44:44

border. As we

44:44

come to the end

44:46

of our interview, there's actually

44:48

fifteen other things I wanna talk to you. I mean, the big question I have

44:51

is, you know, you you've been

44:53

a Republican from what I understand

44:55

your whole life, your servity

44:57

been a conservative even though you kept that

45:00

quiet while you were a

45:02

host. But you're

45:04

saying that you're gonna be governor

45:06

for all Arizona, all Arizona. Is

45:09

that how you say it, I

45:12

guess? And I

45:14

mean, that's not how it's being portrayed because, you know,

45:16

conservative. So it's something very specific. And

45:18

not something, not for all Americans. Right? It's

45:20

a very specific way of looking at the world. So how

45:22

can you

45:24

be for all your assumptions. Let me let me actually correct you a

45:26

little bit. I when I was eighteen, I registered

45:28

as a Republican. I've been a Republican almost

45:30

all my life, but I did register

45:33

four years as a Democrat, and I

45:36

a few years as an independent. So I

45:38

am I believe the only person running for

45:41

governor who to all, Democrat, independent,

45:43

and Republican. And remember, when I was covering

45:45

this state, I covered people who are

45:48

Democrat. I

45:50

covered all Arizona's. I'd never asked somebody going into a story.

45:52

If we were covering, you know, maybe

45:54

there was a fire or maybe there

45:57

was a big piece of legislation that was happening.

45:59

It was

45:59

affecting someone's, like, I didn't ask people what's

46:02

your political background? I

46:04

don't

46:04

care. I cared about the person.

46:06

And so I don't think it matters that I'm a Republican with the ideas

46:08

I'm putting forth are Arizona first.

46:10

That's what's so beautiful about that movement.

46:14

it really isn't about politics. It's about solutions, common sense solutions. So

46:16

I think I'm gonna be able to do great things.

46:19

People are not believing the media. They're trying to paint

46:21

me out to be a radical right

46:24

wing this or that. Let me remind people that

46:27

our founding fathers, if they

46:29

were alive today, would be

46:31

MAGA. THEY would

46:33

be AMERICA first,

46:34

one hundred percent. Our

46:36

country was founded on conservative values.

46:39

but the left has been almost evil

46:41

geniuses with the way they use the language

46:43

by trying to turn the

46:46

Republican party conservative

46:48

traditional values into something negative. And

46:50

we need to start changing the

46:52

narrative on that and speaking

46:54

the truth. And and what's wrong with values that wanna help

46:56

families protect children? What's

46:58

wrong with values that wanna make sure our kids

47:00

are properly

47:02

educated and love our country at the end of their education than hate

47:04

our country. What's wrong

47:06

with values that want to

47:10

make an environment so that when you go to start

47:12

a business, you have a chance at making

47:14

that business grow and living the American

47:18

dream. I I don't know what's

47:20

wrong with that, but we've allowed the left to twist and turn words and make our

47:22

ideas, our principles, and our

47:24

solutions into something negative. when

47:27

they are frankly the most positive, wonderful,

47:30

beautiful solutions out there. And so I

47:32

invite everybody who's watching whether they're

47:34

independent, whether they're democrat, whether

47:36

they're Republican, to take a look

47:38

at where we stand on the issues

47:40

because they will be helpful to

47:42

all. And I don't care what you are

47:44

registered as. I want

47:46

your vote and I want you to know that I will work tirelessly for you. opponent

47:48

won't even show up to debate. She's afraid

47:50

to even speak to the people of Arizona.

47:54

Can you imagine my opponent trying to stand up and be an ambassador

47:56

for Arizona? We're gonna be

47:58

battling for companies that are leaving in droves

48:00

these blue states because the tax

48:03

are too high. The regulatory environment is

48:05

horrible. The people are leaving these blue states

48:07

and they are looking for

48:09

common sense great states

48:11

to move to. I'm

48:12

ready to go toe to toe with governor Abbott and

48:14

governor Ron DeSantis. And I love the

48:17

guys. Ron DeSantis is fantastic. I had a chance

48:19

to meet him. I'm ready to go

48:21

toe to toe. with the governors of Texas and

48:23

Florida and fight and duke it out for companies

48:26

to come and relocate to Arizona.

48:28

I don't think my opponent will stand a

48:30

chance with

48:32

them. She's afraid to debate me. How is she gonna go up against the cartels?

48:34

How is she gonna make our streets

48:36

safe? We need somebody in

48:38

office who's ready to make transformational

48:41

change for Arizona ready to stand up and fight for the people and

48:43

I will fight every single day. Carrie

48:45

Lake, such a pleasure to have

48:46

you on American thought leaders. Thank

48:49

you so much. Thank you all for joining

48:52

Kerry Lake and me on this episode of

48:54

American thought leaders. I'm

48:55

your host, Bianna Kellogg,