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I'm a huge fan of collagen. One reason

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being looking at the body, one third

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of the protein in our body

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is collagen protein, so our skin,

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hair, nails, bones, discs,

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ligaments, tendons, fasha, connective tissue,

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gut lining, and part of our arterial

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walls. Even so much of our body

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healthcare with the power of food. He's

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best selling author in Today's Exclusively Be Given us

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the Details and his brand new book That College

1:05

and Died especially have a door to having you on

1:07

the show, besides the fact people think

1:09

you're a g Q model and is a wonderful

1:11

years wonderful us on the inside

1:13

is more on the outside. Um,

1:16

can you just bring everybody up to date and how you

1:18

got interested in the power of traditional natural

1:20

remedies and healthcare. It's not something that comes naturally

1:22

to a lot of folks health care system. Yeah,

1:24

absolutely So for me really had to do with

1:27

a health crisis and my family, you know, growing

1:29

up, my family was into fitness, but I wouldn't say

1:31

into hell. So my mom was my

1:33

gym teacher in elementary school. My dad was

1:35

a weightlifter and uh,

1:37

and so we thought we were healthy. But

1:40

at four years old, my mom was diagnosed with breast

1:42

cancer. And she went through the conventional

1:45

sort of system at the time, and she had amassectomy

1:47

and went through chemotherapy. And I remember this day.

1:49

I mean I was in junior high at the time. I

1:52

remember remember seeing her lose her hair and

1:54

how sick she got, and you know, praise

1:56

God. She went through those treatments and

1:58

was diagnosed as being cancer free and how healthy.

2:00

But what the problem afterwards? She

2:02

she just continued to have more health struggle. She

2:05

was diagnosed with chronic critique syndrome. She

2:08

had, uh, you know, hypothyroidism,

2:11

got issues. She was just kind of sick and tired

2:14

all the time with thyroid and gut issues.

2:16

And this went on for ten years. And about

2:19

a little bit more than ten years later, I

2:21

was in actually was training to

2:23

become a doctor. I got a call from my mom and

2:25

she says, I've got bad news. They found

2:28

a tumor on my lungs and you

2:30

know, they're they're they're considering treatment.

2:32

What do I do? And I flew home from Florida

2:35

back to Ohio at the time where we grew up, and we

2:37

sat down, we prayed together. We just we felt

2:39

really led to take care of her all naturally to

2:42

start. And we were working with her oncologist

2:44

who was in Colembus, Ohio, saying, hey,

2:46

we want to try doing some of these

2:49

natural things first, and they said, okay,

2:51

but we want you to come back in four months. We're gonna reduce

2:53

scans. And we said okay, And so

2:55

with my mom, we radically changed

2:57

everything. She started juicing that to

3:00

bowles. She started doing a lot of remedies

3:02

like rieshie, mushroom and tumeric. She

3:04

started getting a lymphatic drainagement sage. The other big

3:06

thing is she started reducing stress. Like my mom

3:09

had so much fear and worry in her life

3:12

and she decided I'm gonna let

3:14

go of those things. She started uh horseback

3:17

riding, which she did when she was, you know, a little kid.

3:19

And so we followed this sort of natural program

3:21

for four months. We went back and saw her in cologists

3:24

in Columbus and her in college

3:26

is called the next day, and she said, this is

3:28

highly unusual. I we don't typically see

3:30

things turned around this much this fast,

3:32

they said, But the tumor that's

3:35

there went from two point five centimeters down

3:37

to one point two. This is we wanted. Yeah,

3:39

it was amazing,

3:42

that's right. Yeah. And then she went back several

3:44

months later and it shrunk again. And

3:48

and today my mom is sixty seven. She never

3:50

did any any other treatments outside

3:52

of taking Gere of her health. But here here's the thing I do want

3:54

to say is, um my mom

3:56

changed everything. I mean, she literally like

4:00

she was the best patient I've ever had in

4:02

terms of reducing stress and sticking

4:04

to her juice, taking her supplements. And

4:06

I'm not saying this happens for everybody. I'm not

4:09

saying this as a cure, but I

4:11

do know with my mom. That's one of the things that's

4:13

really empowered me so much is

4:15

and my now my mom is like, and my mom ran

4:17

a five K with me a few years ago. She got

4:19

second, and so funny my dad got third, so

4:21

now she she would wear her little metal around.

4:26

I got third actually in my age group as

4:28

well, so um so she beat me too.

4:30

So it was great and she water

4:32

skis at sixties seven. Her my dad retired

4:35

down in Florida. They live on a lake down there

4:37

and just doing really amazing. So that's one

4:39

of the biggest things that inspired me, and that's

4:41

another reason why I started my website newsletter.

4:44

Is uh, we didn't know, like,

4:46

we didn't know how to be healthy growing up. It really took

4:48

my mom getting sick that really launched

4:51

us into searching for you

4:53

know, search searching for truth. When

4:56

you tell the story like they can just share with your mom, which

4:58

is I know studying for a lot of the folks ondiouse

5:00

it's apocryphal almost, I was, how was a possible? First

5:02

of all, the because you even listen to her son, you have

5:04

to applaud you, because most models will not listen to their

5:06

son the doctor. You know that even though they're proud

5:08

of you, it's so true. And to realize

5:11

that to diet and

5:13

lifestyle changes, she immediately impacted

5:15

her immune system and arguably

5:17

changed the course of her life. These

5:20

people to think I can do that just by itself, how

5:23

do you? How do you balance in your own practice?

5:25

So maybe you speak to how much traditional

5:27

medicine they are to pay attention to and

5:29

when mayso you truch on alternative approaches.

5:31

Yeah, so so my always, my, my, My advice

5:33

is is always work with your doctor,

5:36

be honest, talk them through what you're thinking with

5:38

and really keep open. Communication is

5:40

number one. But I would say this number one

5:42

here, my my again,

5:45

an oath I tuck is first, do no harm. And

5:47

I know that to to a degree. If

5:49

you look at the studies, a lot of the conventional

5:51

treatments do have more side effects and a

5:53

lot of the natural things. And so

5:55

so what I tended to do is say, let's

5:57

let's go at this as hard as we can. Let's if

6:00

you've got heart disease, let's do tumoric, let's do

6:02

hawthorne, let's do fish so, let's do cocutin,

6:04

let's do exercise. Let's we're gonna stress. I

6:06

lay at a very comprehensive here's a plan to

6:08

follow, and let's do your best. But at

6:11

the same time, get monitored, get checked,

6:13

continue to have this

6:15

relationship. And again, I never want somebody

6:17

to go, uh, you know, do things

6:20

against their doctor's will, but in agreement

6:23

with and so again I found that most of the

6:25

time, uh, you know, doctors

6:27

are really really doctors want to They got medicine

6:29

to help people get healthy and they want that for people.

6:31

But I do think here's the thing I do want to say,

6:34

it depends on the condition as well. If

6:36

we're talking about something like diabetes

6:39

where it's less aggressive and you have more time

6:42

versus again, with my mom there's a tumor.

6:44

I think there's different things. I think with

6:46

my mom. Here's the other difference with my mom. My

6:49

mom changed everything. Some people

6:51

say, hey, I'm gonna change

6:55

that doesn't work. I mean I think again, if somebody

6:58

so you know that this is great, it's

7:00

a really are and it's a big spectrum here.

7:02

But my advice is always do

7:04

everything you can naturally. But hey,

7:06

there's a place where a medical says we have the best medical

7:09

system in the world. It saves lives on a regular

7:11

basis. And so again I do think

7:13

there's great value in um,

7:15

you know, kind of both worlds, depending

7:17

upon the person. There's

7:19

lots more will be come back if

7:31

medicine and you know, and just

7:33

getting the touch of benefits. But if

7:35

if you want food to be the medicine,

7:38

and obviously the converse is also true,

7:40

give me the the three items as

7:42

you always want in someone's grocery part

7:44

the items as you crush on the most. Yeah,

7:47

my, my, my advice. And I'll put these in one category

7:50

herbs and spices, vegetables,

7:54

and then after that, I'm gonna throw in

7:56

a couple more. I mean, I love berries, but I also

7:58

love things like bone broth, I love ologen, but those

8:00

would be my top ones. And I'll say this if you

8:02

look. I read a book years ago called the Okan Now and

8:05

Diet, and I love the book, but they said

8:07

American men consume

8:09

one eighth of the antioxidants and herbs

8:11

and spices than America. Are Americans

8:14

in the US than Americans in Japan. And

8:17

when our ancestors said medicine,

8:20

they always were talking about herbs and spices.

8:22

So I think if you look in the Middle East today, in Indian

8:25

Asia, they are consuming so many herbs

8:27

and spices. You go into a market, it smells

8:29

like herbs and spices and maybe fish. You're

8:32

go into a grocery store in American it smells like

8:34

nothing or bleached, you know. But I

8:36

think herbs and spices are

8:38

probably the biggest thing we're missing. And

8:41

I love the fact that you can pack recipes,

8:43

avoid salt, to do a lot of things that

8:46

that make vegetables taste better. One of the biggest

8:48

challenges I've always noticed that to get My wife taught

8:50

me this. Dafty's reinforced it is,

8:52

if you eat food they love,

8:55

you'll do it all the time. Well, you can make vegetables

8:57

taste so good you wanna eat them all the time. But if you're just eating

8:59

basically a side dish of your steak, of course

9:01

doesn't taste very good. And god to be eating only

9:03

raw which sometimes you suck the one. But my

9:06

goodness, you Trey, with all the wonderful knowledge

9:08

of humanity preparing food. Oh,

9:10

I couldn't agree more. And that's the one of the reason I was.

9:12

I was telling you and when I was interviewing

9:14

you how much I love watching Daphne show,

9:17

uh the chew and the dish. And then also I know your your

9:19

wife, Lisa's a cook. But that being said,

9:21

like Chelsea and I have like these food nights with

9:23

friends, and we're both more introverted,

9:25

but we love just having a couple, you know, a couple other

9:28

couples over and doing some red wine

9:30

and like we ever since we came

9:32

back. We did a trip to Italy like seven years ago.

9:34

We were like, we're doing these food nights with our

9:36

friends and then we'll do it kind of all night. But

9:39

people would ask me, and I'm not trying to boast, but they're

9:41

like, why does your chicken or food tastes

9:43

so much better when you make it? And I'd be like, because

9:45

I use like trip with the herbs, Like when you use more

9:47

basil and rosemary and garlic, everything

9:49

tastes better. Yeah, show a little

9:51

secret with you, Dapthys shared me. You ask all

9:54

the great chefs the key to their success it's

9:56

extra salt and butter. But

9:59

for you, which have been better? So

10:01

I want to applaud you. Um, your new book is called The College

10:03

and Died, and you argue that collagen is

10:05

that is missing. Keen create many

10:07

people's health and a lot of people don't know

10:09

much about collagen. And obviously

10:11

there's always arguments about how much collegen gets into

10:14

your actual skin to make it look better. But what else to

10:16

do besides that? What give us a treatise on

10:18

collegen and what it can do for folks? Yeah, so

10:20

you know, I'm a huge fan of collagen. One

10:22

reason being looking at the body, one

10:24

third of the protein in our body

10:28

is collagen protein, so our skin,

10:31

hair, nails, bones, disks,

10:33

ligaments, tendons, fasha, connective tissue,

10:36

gut lining, and part of our arterial

10:38

walls. Even and actually, if a woman is UH

10:41

creating a new baby, it's the placenta is

10:43

made up of mostly collagen. So so

10:45

much of our body is made up of collagen. And

10:48

you know, our body can create collagen

10:50

on its own. Your body likes and needs things

10:52

like vitamin C, a little bit of

10:54

iron and zinc and certain things to actually

10:56

create collagen. But your

10:58

body, it's easier for your body

11:00

to create college and when it has the direct building

11:03

blocks, which is proline, glysen and hydroxy

11:05

proline, which are something you're gonna

11:07

consume if you consume bone broth or a collagen

11:10

rich food. So sometimes people think if I eat

11:12

collagen and makes immediately that collagen

11:14

goes to the body and becomes collagen.

11:16

It doesn't work that way. Your body has to break it down,

11:19

but it uses those same building blocks to

11:21

build collagen back up. And I've

11:23

been so impressed as I've worked with UH,

11:26

you know, patients in the past and people over

11:28

the years, uh, looking at when they've used

11:30

collagen, they'll notice their hair

11:33

gets thicker, their nails are stronger, their

11:35

skin starts looking better and more firm,

11:37

and so. And there are some good studies on

11:40

collagen decreasing, you know, the

11:42

total depth of wrinkles and

11:44

those sorts of things. So, so there's definitely some

11:47

not a lot, but there definitely are some good, good

11:49

early studies. That's source of the college

11:51

of your opinion. And I'm I'm curious because

11:54

ideally, if it's so valuate for humans, we would

11:56

be able to get it from our food at some point. Yeah.

11:58

Number one is bone off by far

12:01

is your highest source. After that, it's gonna

12:03

be eating the skin of animals. Historically

12:05

when people ate fish, they would eat

12:07

the skin um. Also, chicken

12:10

skin is full of collagen beef so, and

12:12

then the other thing is which we don't get much today.

12:14

The next highest is organ meats actually

12:17

like liver have some collagen in it.

12:19

The thing is today we you know, we just eat

12:22

like the chicken breast or the flesh.

12:24

Where which is muscle building proteins is branch

12:26

chain and menoes and mathionine. Today

12:29

we're not. We don't drink as near as much

12:31

broth. We don't, you know, we we don't

12:33

eat the organ meats and that's that's really where all the collagen

12:35

is. So as you go, you know,

12:38

spend your time running around, you

12:41

get exposed to the newest was

12:43

cutting edge ideas, And I'm

12:46

wondering what the next super food is,

12:48

what's the next big tradition with food and stuff. I'm gonna

12:50

move to some cool categories beyond that. Yeah,

12:53

so so I think again,

12:56

I'm gonna jump back to herbs and spices. I think

12:58

adapted genic herbs are going to continue need

13:00

to be popular. You look in you look in

13:02

traditional Chinese medicine in Asia today,

13:04

the amount of mushrooms people are eating is

13:06

absolutely huge. I mean especially today.

13:09

The benefits and there are Now, if we're talking

13:11

about US studies, there's some good studies, but if you

13:13

go over and look at the Middle Eastern and the Asian

13:16

studies on mushrooms, they're

13:18

incredible. Especially Rishi number one,

13:20

I would say, lions mate. You

13:22

know, lions Maine has been shown

13:24

to be really good, good for the nervous system and for the

13:26

brain. And then I also love you

13:28

know my talking and Court of Sets, but I would say Rishi

13:31

and Lions Maine are absolutely two of

13:33

my favorites. And then I think some other adaptations.

13:36

There's a there's one called hi Wo

13:38

Shoe, which is called Foti. There's

13:40

an angel and I love all the ancient legends,

13:42

and so I

13:45

fo t I. Yeah, So Foti

13:47

the legend goes at a

13:50

a male doctor's hair turned gray

13:52

and he started something with fote everybody and it turned

13:55

it from gray back to black. But anyways,

13:57

all that being said, it's one of the most It's

13:59

in Chinese medicine. It's under restore your jing,

14:02

which in jing is essentially your strengthening

14:04

your DNA. It's sperm, it's testostero,

14:06

it's those sort of things, and men. It's a

14:09

more gentle form of It's

14:11

kind of in the Jin Singh family, but

14:13

that's fantastic. I think Shossandra Franti

14:16

aging um is another one

14:18

that's gonna be popular, you know what's fun Like Oshua

14:20

Ganda. Nobody knew what it was ten

14:23

years ago, but now now

14:25

everybody's talking about it. So I think we're gonna

14:27

see more of these adapt agens. The foties,

14:29

the Chasandra. I think don Kuai, especially

14:32

for women around their menstrual cycle, it's

14:34

the top blood builder. In fact, if you taste it tastes

14:36

like iron, but it's um.

14:39

I think more of these Chinese and irabetic

14:41

herbs are gonna keep creeping into our

14:43

our system. More questions

14:45

after the break. So

14:57

I'm going into China in November, and

14:59

I end up going to China once a year.

15:01

I went the first time in my

15:04

father in law. Wow, and back

15:06

then they were all everyone's writing. Now suits

15:08

and there's electricity after the sundown

15:11

was fascinating. The experience for me um

15:13

and I really adore the culture,

15:15

but especially the traditional Chinese medicine

15:17

offerings. How have you learned so much about you

15:20

know? Actually I learned it through an acupuncturist

15:22

here in Nashville's name is Dr gil Banami,

15:25

and he was in the Israeli UH

15:27

Israeli Army and he studied

15:30

under a you know, she was known

15:32

as a master Chinese acupuncturist who

15:34

lived in Israel. He trained under here,

15:36

he moved to the US and he's one of my best friends.

15:39

And so him and I for the past seven

15:41

years, for ten years of really actually

15:43

made about seven years. I I've

15:45

spent a lot of time just picking his brain, doing

15:47

lunch with him, talking, and then he recommended

15:49

some Chinese medicine textbooks

15:51

and I just read a lot, you know, So I'll just

15:54

spend time talking to him and reading

15:56

and I've a lot in the five elements. But really it

15:58

was through his mentor show

16:00

well, this picture but I'm taking. We're having a summit

16:03

at the Beijing University of Traditional

16:05

Chinese Medicine, and I there are some

16:07

wonderful physicians there who

16:10

are trying to explain so that the Western

16:12

mine can understand it some of these tracial Chinese

16:14

remedies and and and they're inter related

16:16

with the aerobetic solutions as well. But just

16:19

for everyone listening, there's thousands of years experienced

16:21

right on these herbs. So there's something

16:24

there. It works in a actually explain

16:26

how you see Chinese herbal therapies

16:28

in particular working. Yeah. So here here's

16:30

what I think that people need to realize is

16:32

I think a lot of times, and listen, I think there is

16:34

a lot to be said about a double blind medical

16:36

study. And we have a great system today

16:38

for studies. But I don't think that should discount,

16:41

you know, three thousand plus years of irabetic

16:44

and Chinese medicine to where they weren't doing these

16:46

double blind studies in the way we do them with

16:48

large populations. But over

16:51

time, what they accumulated together as a society

16:53

really accumulates to millions of individual

16:56

case studies on patients and

16:58

some of the doctors using the herbs on themselves

17:01

to see how the body reacts. And so the way

17:03

that most Chinese medical physicians

17:05

look at the body is it's not mostly

17:07

based on hey, you have this gene, so it affects

17:10

us. Of course we know genes have to be turned on. But

17:12

they'll say it's based on your body's

17:14

internal environment. Is your body

17:17

too hot or is it too cold internally?

17:19

Is it too damp or too dry? Is there too

17:21

much movement called wind, too little movement

17:23

called stagnation. So for instance, like why

17:25

do we call it a cold today? You know that stems

17:28

way way back from Chinese medicine where they

17:30

said, well, your body is cold

17:33

because it's cold internally, so you need to do

17:35

warming spices. All the warming spices

17:37

help you get rid of a cold, like uh,

17:40

ginger, garlic, cinnamon,

17:42

kaien, pepper. These are all warm spicy

17:45

or regular. These are all warm spicy herbs.

17:47

I used to take air of a pastor here in Nashville

17:50

and I was like, he had a cold.

17:52

I'm like, hey, what are you doing right now for your cold? I want to give

17:54

you a few recommendations. He said, well, I always

17:56

go home and do a hot toddy And I'm

17:58

like, well is that. And I

18:01

wasn't from Nashvia. I came from the North, so I had no idea.

18:03

And he's like, well, I take whiskey, and let me

18:05

say this. I don't think that's the best recommendation,

18:08

but it's the hottest of all the cores and

18:10

it's better than beer, which is cooling according

18:12

to Chinese medicine. So all that being said, Chinese

18:15

medicine, they look at what's going on in for instance,

18:17

candida, and most digestive issues are called

18:20

by dampness, and the foods

18:22

that drive dampness are bitter herbs.

18:24

Today it's all sweet and salty, no bitter

18:26

and sour. And bitter and sour or will

18:28

activate your liver and bio

18:31

to dry up dampness. So anyways,

18:33

that's that's the way that Chinese medicine practitioners

18:35

look at healing your body. It's by changing your

18:37

internal environment, which in strengthening

18:40

your system to beat disease. No, Josh,

18:42

just incation, which again you summarize

18:44

two thousand years of human wisdom in about a minute and a Half's

18:47

reflective of why you're so good at what you do. Your

18:49

passion so seeps through all your

18:51

pores. You're incredibly insightful and

18:53

some of these really cool things are happening in

18:55

life, and I get it. I have to say it's a bit of blessing

18:57

and getting Annoli over with the eleven years of my show,

19:00

and I know we'll do lost more fun stuff together. I

19:02

wouldn't want to recognize that. You can hear lots more

19:04

about Josh's. The latest focus hitting

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he's all over the place for good reasons. Josh, I

19:19

wish you'd best my friend. Awesome. Well, let's say

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thanks so much, Dr Oz. It's an honor again

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I love what you do, love your mission, so thanks so much for

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having me on. God bless Josh, bless