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Hey there, everybody. Welcome to another

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TJ is starting episode

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of Amy and TJ.

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My favorite episodes.

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Look can we go? We're

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going to talk a little reality TV

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today. And I am not a

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big reality TV fan, haven't

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been throughout my life. But what would

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you say is your Even

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before us you and I have started watching some things, but what

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is your would you say has been your number

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one? Like the show you made sure

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you watched if it was a dancing competition

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or if it's a housewive type show, what's

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what did you commit to?

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So it's evolved over the years.

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So I think my first reality show that I got

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totally stuck on was American Idol, without

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a doubt. I loved it,

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the girls watched it with me.

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It was a family show.

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There aren't many shows on TV these days,

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especially where you can watch with the family safely

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and so so American Idol, for sure, I

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was obsessed with that show.

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I loved it.

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And I have not been a big reality TV

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show person per se.

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We've had to watch for what we did for a living

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oftentimes. But I kind of got

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into at one point in my life in

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the in the Bachelor series.

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I liked Bachelor in Paradise.

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I kind of fell in love with that because those were

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all the rejects who then got

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thrown on an island together. And then

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just like whatever happened happened, and

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that, I think then led to my next guilty

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pleasure, which was Love Island. It's

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embarrassing to admit, but in weak

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moments, or in like moments where I just

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couldn't think or I didn't want to

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accept my own reality, I went

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to Love Island, and then you and I when we

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got into our situation,

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we found an absolute

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amazing outlet.

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Well, I can't what was my question?

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You asked what reality shows I like?

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I just went through the timeline of it.

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What was my question?

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What reality shows I liked? And

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I think I did a very good job at answering

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you. Chronologic dive is what

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we call it, explaining everything, maybe

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over explaining.

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Would you say, though, that you are a reality TV

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fan? Because I don't want to call it

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trash TV. That's but a lot of people do call it.

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But it's a guilty pleasure is a good way to put it.

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It's a guilty pleasure. But I will

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at least feel like I choose

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No, I can't say that. Yeah, it's a guilty

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pleasure. I was thinking that.

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So I don't like a lot of conflict.

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I like some conflict. I like fun,

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silly conflict. I don't like deep, like

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table throwing conflict.

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I have a limit to the conflict. I'm willing

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to watch.

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What the actual is

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happening right now.

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Okay, I'm just answering it as honestly as I posed.

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Well, I haven't been a reality TV

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fan. The one that I did follow

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was Rachel Lindsays season of The Bacheloreat.

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Okay, that was one that I was committed to, watched every

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day and was she's a friend, so that's.

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It's also for work because we needed

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to watch those things.

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Okay, I'll give you that one.

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But the first one that you and I found this

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was the first one that I was shocked

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by that I got into and it

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was completely random. Okay, how you're

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going to say, serving the Hampton, Yes,

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okay, this We're sitting in the room here

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with our producer Andy, who was a reality

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guy, and he's even looking at me like what.

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It's a little left field, it's a little here's

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why we liked it. Go ahead, because

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it was people who were actually doing

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a job that they would have done

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ordinarily. It wasn't a forced situation

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with fake friends. Yes, you're actually

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showing somebody at work and

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the conflict that often ensues

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at work.

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So I'm just look at Andy, our producer

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here, and he's he this is not what he was into. It

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was completely random. You and I of course, at the end

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of twenty twenty two went into kind of a lockdown

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for a while to where we were inside

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together, just the two of us in

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hiding to a certain degree for whatever

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I think it was. H BO Max just popped

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up, I started it and really got into

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serving the Hamptons, which is about a restaurant

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called seventy five Main I think is right.

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Yes, okay, and we've eaten there.

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Okay. See that's the thing. We followed

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these folks on this journey of

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on the show to where they're working together at this place,

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all the conflict, you get it, it's a reality show. We

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then friend of yours Joe. Yes,

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as when we were in hiding, if you will,

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Joe and Preston both we wanted to just get out

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of town, yes, and they knew we couldn't

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go a lot of places and they say, hey, why

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don't you just we have a place here in the Hamptons

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that we rent out. You will just come hang

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out there, just get away

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for a little bit. Sure enough, we go there

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and we order food. Not

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knowing where we're ordering from, we order from a restaurant

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take out, and sure enough, it's seventy five

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Maine.

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It was great.

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By the way, the place that's featured in

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Serving the Hamptons. Okay,

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so to catch you up

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now, after we finished that one, we like, when

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is Serving the Hamptons too. I don't know if they

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had a season.

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I don't think they got renewed. We might have been the only one

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who, like everyone

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else, might have thought it was boring.

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I don't know.

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Then, holy hell, we

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were looking for something else. You actually

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googled best reality

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shows to stream or something.

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In the workplace.

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I think I said that because we wanted people to actually

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have a real function, like a real

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job, so it wasn't all manufactured. We wanted

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to have actually some reality to

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the reality.

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And what we found was below

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deck.

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Below deck and our lives

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were never the same ever,

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so it was like, I

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mean, not trying to throw shade on Serving

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the Hampton's but that was just

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nothing compared to what Below Deck

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offered.

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Wow, and below Deck, Look,

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folks, this show it

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is if you haven't and it's

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to your point, it's folks who are actually

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doing a job that looks difficult.

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Was it takes a lot of them. It's physical ability,

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but you need to know how to You're

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right? Do I need to throw this out here?

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Do I need to? I mean it's a lot of Technically,

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if you screw up, you could crash a boat, oh,

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without a doubt. Yes. So to see them

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going through that's what we respect. At least they

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were doing a job, and you can respect what they're doing.

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But we got to stream this if people don't

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know, did you all know you can stream stuff

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and they don't have commercials? Did you all know?

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We streamed how

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many scenes of this show?

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All that there was to stream, and we went through

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all of them, not just rolling Deck Mediterranean,

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there was sailing, there was all the down

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Under. We haven't gotten totally through, but we have gone

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through all the different iterations. We just wanted

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more and more and more.

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So if anybody knows what we're talking about, we say,

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below Deck the first thing out of

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your mouth after saying below deck

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has to.

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Be Captain Lee.

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It has to be because if you've watched

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that show, he has been the

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constant on that show. Look, we

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liked Blow Mediterranean, yes, and

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we liked Captain Sandy there

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as well, but the thing that got us

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into it and the guy who guided us

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through. They changed staff, but he

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was the constant throughout that show

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and if he it sounds crazy, but

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this was a guy who helped

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us through one of the craziest

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stretches yep, and difficult stretches

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of our lives.

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I mean, I'm not trying to be ridiculous here, but it actually

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makes me kind of emotional because I feel

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like Captain Lee and watching

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how he led this young,

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wild group of kids

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trying to put on their best to

7:37

a make tips and just keep people happy

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and learn the trade of yachting. It was

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Captain Lee, And I

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told you from the beginning it felt. And

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I hope he doesn't get offended by this, but I

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have a very young dad, but he

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just reminded me of my dad, like

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how I was raised, his nose sense,

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like he wasn't going he was not going to take any bs

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from anybody, Like no silliness,

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like he was like, I'm going to be just

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leading folks in the right way with the

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littlest to say about it. I'm just going to say what I'm going to say,

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and you're going.

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To shut up.

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So, Captain Lee, are you offended to hear that?

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Amy Robock says that you remind

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her of her dad?

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Is that offensive? That's a compliment? Is it

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not? Not?

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Definitely as a compliment. I'm flattered.

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Thank you very much, Oh Captain

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Lee.

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It's so fun to hear your voice and

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see your face and see us actually talking

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to you like we're I'm a little starstruck.

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I'll just speak for myself.

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Because we really did lean

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on you on it like so many

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ways, in so many ways. And then to come to

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find out you're from Michigan, I'm

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from Michigan. And then when I found

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out and this was like months after

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watching the show, because you're just referred

8:48

to as Captain Lee, but your last

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name and my last name are almost

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identical, rose Bocher.

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That's freaky.

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Yeah, Captain Lee Rosebach and

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Amy Robo we have to

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be related, Captain Lee.

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I'm going to choose to think we are.

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That's almost scary. It

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truly is in a good way.

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Yes, yes, no, because you remind

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me of my family. You remind me of how I

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was raised. The things you say

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are the things my father would have said. So it

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was just it felt like I was watching a little bit of home,

9:20

watching you out on the water commanding.

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This group of kids. It was great, It was It

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felt great.

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Wasn't a lot There wasn't a lot of gray area

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when you were growing up, was there?

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No, there was not. It's blackys.

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You knew exactly where you stood if

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you screwed up, and you knew

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what was coming, and if you

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didn't, you might get

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an added boy. Probably not because

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you didn't get ada boys for doing what you were supposed

9:45

to do.

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Exactly, you don't get praised for doing

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what's expected of you, but if you don't

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do what you're supposed to do, there will be consequences.

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And that is exactly how I was.

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I ever wanted to hear was wait

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did I tell your father?

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Oh?

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That was it's the worst. Oh

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my goodness, that's so funny.

10:03

And if it happened early in the morning, you had all

10:05

dated.

10:06

To sweat it out, to sweat it

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out. Yes, no, German Catholics

10:11

are very specific. I don't know if you were raised

10:13

the same way, but yes, German Catholics

10:15

both sides. My mom is Schtopfel and

10:17

my dad is a Robot, and we

10:20

were all German Catholics, So I think, yes, there was

10:22

a familiarity and just

10:24

and there's.

10:25

I don't know.

10:25

I just felt so connected to you and to

10:27

everything you had to say. It was it was cool and I

10:29

needed that.

10:30

Actually, I when I

10:32

found out your last name, because I'd watched you

10:34

for years, and

10:36

I thought there's

10:38

something there.

10:39

Yeah, there has to be really.

10:41

There, really is it just can't. I'm

10:43

not a firm believer in coincidence.

10:45

Well neither am I at all.

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But you're also not of a believer yet in twenty

10:49

three and me, you say you don't necessarily

10:52

want to trace all that DNA.

10:55

Like I said, my dad was rather prolific,

10:58

So I'm not sure if I want to open

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up that Pandora's box or not.

11:03

It has been that for many people twenty

11:05

three and me and all of those other new

11:07

DNA that's yes, yea right find relativetion

11:09

nevernew you had.

11:11

You've got to be careful what you ask for.

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Ketie, What do you think when you hear something like she's

11:16

describing. I mean, people have all kinds of stories.

11:18

I'm sure fans have talked about just you

11:20

know, they just didn't enjoy the show is one thing. But

11:22

I mean maybe you do remind people

11:25

of somebody in their family. Maybe they

11:27

feel a different type of connection the way Robot

11:29

here that I'm sitting next to does. What

11:32

do you do? You get a lot of

11:35

that kind of thing from people.

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I do. I get a lot. You remind me of

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my dad, my granddad, And

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I think that I

11:46

come from a generation where

11:48

things are pretty cut and dried. You

11:51

know, you didn't you knew when you

11:53

screwed up, you knew when you didn't and

11:56

I mean you knew it before you finished

11:58

doing it, and

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you knew what was going to happen, and then you

12:03

had to figure out, Okay, is the going

12:05

up going to be worth the coming down?

12:08

Yeah?

12:08

And it's crazy too, like

12:10

you think about it so many people. Everyone

12:12

parents differently, but there is something

12:15

to that knowing what the expectations

12:17

are and knowing what the consequences

12:20

will be. I think so often kids

12:23

these days, I sound so old, but don't

12:25

know that though, or they aren't being taught the

12:27

same way we were.

12:29

Now they don't have the structure

12:31

that I feel they need, and they don't

12:33

have the discipline, and they don't have

12:36

that. A lot of them don't

12:38

have that male figure in their life. It sets

12:40

an example. You know, you

12:42

get up, you go to work every day,

12:45

and if you don't go to work, you do your job at

12:47

home. Whatever your job is, you do

12:49

it. You don't make excuses. You

12:51

just suck it up no matter what the issue

12:53

is, and you get it done. Period.

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So yeah, I don't like my professor

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at college, so who

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cares?

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Oh my god, that's my dad.

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Well, Captain Lee, he's my professor is

13:08

triggering me, and it's it's reminding

13:10

me of a trauma that I had, Captain

13:12

Lee, and he should not. My professor

13:15

needs to be aware of

13:17

these triggers for me. Captain Lee.

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Your professor doesn't give two about

13:22

your trigger.

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Oh Captain Lee, I wish there were more of you

13:28

in the world. It just no, it really

13:30

is a slice of hope.

13:31

It makes me laugh.

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Sorry, and my daughters, I think, would say the same thing

13:34

because I'm I'm the mean mom

13:36

apparently, But that's just I think there is something

13:38

to that, and you give them to

13:40

the.

13:41

Keep being the mean mom than you,

13:43

you keep being the parent first. Yeah,

13:46

there's plenty of time later on to

13:48

be friends. But

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if you if you're not, in my

13:53

opinion, if you're not the

13:55

parent first, then

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you're probably not going to raise the type of show that

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you want to be friends with later.

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So true, so true and

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just. And you take

14:06

that philosophy and you bring it on the boat.

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How did that work?

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I do? It

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worked fine for me. For some of

14:15

the crew members not so much. And

14:18

production and I had an understanding from

14:21

Jump Street that you know

14:23

you have a job to do. I have

14:25

a job to do. My

14:27

job supersedes your authority.

14:31

You charted the boat, you got me

14:33

with it, so you can film

14:35

me all you want. I'm going to do my job

14:38

as I understand it, and that's to

14:40

make sure that everybody on this boat is

14:42

safe and I don't do any harm to the boat

14:45

or anybody on it. And

14:47

if we can do whatever it is you'd like to do within

14:50

those confines, I'm all

14:52

in. But don't

14:55

ask me to compromise because there won't.

14:57

Be take the

14:59

cameras away, Captain Lee, did you

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do everything the exact same way

15:03

you did it that we sell on camera. If those cameras

15:05

weren't there, you've been

15:07

the same guy.

15:08

Didn't make any difference. Cameras

15:11

are no cameras. That's the way

15:13

I've been running boats for over

15:16

almost forty years now, and

15:19

I doubt it's going to change now.

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I was just going to ask, it's the way you've been running

15:25

boats. It's the way you see

15:27

fit to run boats. But when you watch yourself

15:29

back, did you have any

15:32

thoughts like that was too

15:34

much or maybe that was too harsh?

15:36

You know, maybe early in my career,

15:39

before all of the TV stuff

15:41

started, I may have been

15:45

a little more strict than

15:47

I actually needed to be. But

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I think that's a process that all captains

15:52

go through, a maturation process

15:55

where you learn that

16:00

everybody's different and some people need

16:02

to be handled differently. It's

16:04

not a one size fits all. So

16:06

where you can take a very firm

16:09

and stern approach with one

16:11

individual because their psyche

16:14

can handle it, you'll

16:17

get more from another individual

16:21

by maybe taking a software approach, not

16:24

cream off Casper milk toast approach,

16:29

but maybe a little more subdued

16:31

approach.

16:33

Can you spot them from a mile away, even

16:35

before you start a charter season, can

16:37

you say, yep, that's going to be a problem like this,

16:39

that's going to be or were you even surprised

16:42

once you got to know them a little bit.

16:44

They're pretty easy to spot.

16:47

Has anyone surprised?

16:49

Level of transparency is just

16:51

like, seriously.

17:04

Tell us this, Captain Lee. If the two of us

17:07

t J. Holmes and Amy Robot stepped

17:09

on to your deck

17:12

as new members.

17:13

Of the crew, she's chiefs to lead

17:16

deckhand.

17:17

Okay, fine,

17:19

lead deckhand. Okay,

17:22

what would you say these two are

17:24

going to be for you and your crew?

17:27

Have I been able to look at your resumes?

17:30

Yes, and they are stellar.

17:33

Yeah.

17:33

Well I've never met anybody that

17:36

that impellised your resume.

17:40

Right, we were fired once. We probably

17:42

gonna leave that off.

17:44

I was.

17:45

I was fired once as well. Okay,

17:50

I don't. I don't leave that off off my

17:52

resume. I was actually quite proud of

17:55

the fact that I was fired.

17:56

Wow, why were you fired? Who would have fired

17:58

you?

17:59

Uh?

18:01

It was the owners of Utopia

18:04

two, in Utopia three

18:06

and four and five, but

18:10

extremely demanding people, and

18:14

I was fired for bringing something to one

18:16

of the owner's attention that

18:19

she really didn't want to see. And

18:22

I didn't really care she wanted to see

18:24

it or not, because it was the truth

18:26

and I was doing the right thing. And I've always

18:29

been a firm believer that you can never go

18:31

wrong by doing the right thing. So

18:33

when she fired me, I

18:35

thought, there.

18:38

Is a god hallelujah.

18:40

Wait what did she not want to see?

18:43

Oh? You don't really want me to say?

18:44

Oh I do, though, I kind of do.

18:47

Well. We had

18:50

a My boat was primarily

18:52

used as a floating hotel. When

18:55

they'd have too many guests for

18:57

the big boat, they'd send them over to

18:59

my little one hundred and sixteen foot fed ship

19:03

and they would spend the night. It was one of their

19:05

executives, and

19:09

he came rolling in about six thirty

19:11

or so in the morning. Of course,

19:14

our crew was all up and

19:18

took a shower and promptly

19:21

passed out. But

19:24

while he was in the shower, he left

19:26

something behind that he should have left

19:28

in the toilet. I

19:32

told you you didn't want to know.

19:34

Wait, but you got fired for

19:36

that. Wait a minute, Okay, I'll

19:38

get better.

19:39

It's better. Okay, the chiefs do come,

19:41

do comes upstairs? And she goes kat.

19:45

She said, you have

19:47

to come downstairs with me, and

19:50

I told I said, I have no I have no wish

19:52

to even join you downstairs. I

19:54

said, that's just She

19:57

said, no, you have to because

20:00

won't believe this. So

20:03

I went downstairs and bigger

20:06

than life there it was, so

20:12

I uh.

20:14

I took a picture of it and

20:18

I sent it to the owner and

20:21

I said, really that

20:24

was it? One word text? Really uh.

20:29

I was terminated the next day.

20:31

Wow, wow, wow,

20:34

the reason being, what the way they had to give you

20:36

some reason for

20:38

that?

20:39

Well, it's funny because like on a

20:42

boat, I

20:44

am hr M right,

20:47

So if you're gonna if you're gonna

20:49

get on a boat as a steward, as

20:52

a deckhand, and you're gonna go, well, I'm gonna take

20:54

this hr. Well you're looking at

20:56

HR literally

20:58

because my first names here, my last name's

21:01

rossback, I

21:04

am HR. What's your problem?

21:09

I was not expecting that story was

21:12

that was a new one.

21:13

So I was so glad I got fired.

21:16

Yeah. I mean, hindsight sometimes

21:18

is well twenty twenty right,

21:20

you learn as you go.

21:21

Do you know, keptain Lee, do you have a rolling

21:24

count? Do you know how many people you have fired

21:26

in the seasons of below.

21:29

Deck everyone

21:33

that deserved it.

21:34

Okay, so

21:37

not too few, not too many, the exact right

21:39

number now.

21:40

I think there. I think the

21:43

most I'd fired I think was four

21:45

in one season, but

21:48

I don't There's only one

21:50

person that I actually I fired

21:52

him, and I did regret

21:55

it, but not for the reasons you might

21:57

think. He

22:00

he had embellished his resume, which

22:03

is another word for lying, and

22:07

he was such a nice kid, and

22:09

he tried so hard, but

22:12

in a million years, he was never going to

22:14

get it. And to me, you

22:17

have to get it in

22:20

order to function on a on on Omega

22:22

yacht.

22:23

I think I remember this. Who was this?

22:25

That was Andrew Sturby.

22:28

Yeah we have, we have and young

22:30

blond.

22:30

Haired kid left

22:32

the porthole in his stateroom open,

22:35

almost saying.

22:36

Yes, yes, remember

22:38

that?

22:38

So oh you could tell

22:40

heart.

22:42

He did, and I said,

22:45

Andrew, I said, I mean, this

22:47

is really breaking my heart. I hate to do this to

22:49

you. I said, but you're just

22:51

too much of a risk and I

22:53

don't have the time to

22:56

to really train you. When what I

22:58

really meant is, if I had a

23:00

million years, you're never going to.

23:02

Get it,

23:05

I do.

23:05

I told you you know he was, and he was

23:07

so good with the guests. They loved him,

23:11

and I just said, you

23:14

know, you're going to have to go. And I think that's

23:16

the only one that I actually regret. There

23:18

were quite a few that I enjoyed.

23:23

I really did. I mean, there's something

23:25

gratifying about being able

23:27

to

23:29

dish out to some people

23:31

who desperately deserves it what they have

23:34

coming.

23:36

I think I think

23:38

everyone can relate to that when you and I.

23:40

Just I don't feel

23:43

bad about it one iota.

23:46

Maybe you two are related, no,

23:50

but I get that.

23:50

I mean, like, if you feel like no

23:53

one's ever told this person no.

23:54

Before, actually and you get to be the one to do it,

23:57

and maybe that will be the thing that makes

23:59

them wake up to how they act.

24:02

There is something satisfying about that. I

24:04

totally. I get that you

24:06

and I are on the same paper. Who

24:09

was the most enjoyable to fire?

24:10

Do you know?

24:12

The most enjoyable to fire was

24:15

Dane. Dane

24:17

was a deckhand and I'd sent the

24:19

crew out to a

24:21

private resort and

24:24

they had to resort all to themselves, overnight,

24:28

rooms, open bar, They

24:31

had everything that they wanted, so

24:36

two o'clock in the morning, I get

24:38

a call from Meddie and

24:41

he said cat. He said, Dane's out of control.

24:43

He said he can't

24:45

stay here. So

24:48

two o'clock in the morning, I'm scraunging around

24:50

trying to find somebody to hop

24:52

on a boat go to this other island and

24:55

pick up Dane.

24:57

Even just the name Dane, you keep

24:59

saying it such a way, it's annoying.

25:02

We had we had Dane down in the

25:05

if we have film with him down in the crew

25:07

mess. He's got a bottle

25:09

of Crown Royal in one hand and

25:12

a Budweiser in the other, and

25:14

he's alternating hugs

25:19

and he's talking to himself and

25:23

we can't understand what he's saying, so

25:26

we slow the tape down to

25:29

try and figure out what he's saying. We still

25:31

can't understand. We

25:34

had it to damn near stop and

25:37

we're still so we had to just use subtitles

25:40

of all the special characters

25:42

that you're.

25:43

Supposed to Oh, I love when you do that,

25:45

yes.

25:46

Because we had no idea what he said, garble

25:48

drunk. He gets he

25:51

gets back to the bug. This is like three o'clock in

25:53

the morning, and now there's a

25:56

knock on my door. It's one of the

25:58

producers. They

26:00

go, cat, we've got a problem,

26:03

and I looked at him. I thought, oh, do you

26:05

ever have a problem. You know,

26:08

it's three o'clock in the morning. I've got

26:10

to be up in three hours. This said,

26:12

really better be good. He

26:15

said, we've got Dane down on the dock

26:17

and he refuses to leave the boat until

26:21

he gets his tip money.

26:25

Wait did this play out in the season for people

26:27

to see. I don't remember that.

26:28

Oh yeah, well you didn't see that.

26:30

I see that.

26:32

Because there were certain things they transferred

26:35

there you probably didn't want

26:37

to see anyhow,

26:40

I said, all right, I'll get his

26:42

tip money for him. So I gave the producer

26:44

his tip money. I got

26:47

back into bed. Fifteen

26:49

minutes later, there's another knock on the door.

26:52

Now it's twenty after three or so in

26:55

the morning, and

26:57

he said, Dane's really

26:59

really getting out of control and

27:01

he won't leave, and now he's starting

27:04

to verbally assault,

27:07

you know, like the executive producer's wife

27:10

family. He's just gone

27:13

off the deep end. And

27:15

he said, you know, will you come down

27:17

and help us out with it? And

27:20

then I said absolutely, I will, I said,

27:22

but I don't want

27:24

anybody questioning my methods

27:28

of how I deal with it. I

27:31

said, but trust me, it will get dealt with.

27:34

I said, because I need to get some goddamn sleep

27:36

here, I said,

27:38

you guys want me up at six thirty in the morning,

27:40

and it's three thirty now. So

27:44

I went down there and

27:46

we had two security

27:48

guards there and they're

27:50

just standing off in the background. And

27:55

I walked up to Dane and I said, I

27:57

asked him if he was doing all right. You got

27:59

your mother, yeah, I got my money.

28:02

I said, you're not going

28:04

to stay on board the boat tonight. I

28:06

said, we have a hotel room for you. I

28:10

said, and you see these two gentlemen over there.

28:13

I said, they're going to escort you to

28:16

your hotel room and then

28:18

in the morning, you and I will have

28:20

a conversation. And

28:24

he looked at me and I said, wait a minute, I

28:26

said, don't say anything. I

28:28

said, you do have options here. I

28:32

said, you can walk

28:34

with these two gentlemen to

28:36

your hotel room in a peaceful

28:39

fashion. I said,

28:41

or you can get carried to your

28:43

hotel room. And

28:47

I said, I know which one I would

28:49

prefer, but

28:51

it's up to you. And

28:54

he took his envelope of money and

28:56

put it in his back pocket and went with

28:58

the gentleman as I re quested, and made

29:01

it to his hotel room. Then he comes.

29:04

We get him back at eight o'clock in the morning.

29:07

Now, mind you, he's still hammered. There's

29:11

no way as drunk as he was that he was

29:13

going to sober up three or four hours

29:15

just wasn't going to happen. And

29:20

all apologies, all this, all

29:22

that, and he said,

29:24

well, he said, you know, I

29:27

said, I guess I should hand him my resignation.

29:30

And I said, no, no, wait

29:33

a minute, you have not

29:36

earned the prov of resigning.

29:39

Your dumb ass is fired.

29:43

And were I you, I

29:46

wouldn't put me down for a wh I

29:50

would delete this part of your life.

29:54

Amazing.

29:55

So he said, okay, he says, I'll go down and

29:57

pack. I said no, no, I

29:59

said, you won't go down and pack. You're not packing

30:01

anything. Our

30:04

people will pack for you, will

30:06

ship it to wherever it is you want to go. You're

30:08

going straight from this office to

30:10

the airport and you're getting on a plane and

30:13

you're leaving you

30:16

guys, any questions.

30:18

Yeah,

30:28

Kevin, you have to tell us you've been doing

30:30

this for so long before cameras ever

30:32

became a part of it. Have you always

30:35

had debt crews that were

30:37

like this, even before we were able

30:39

to see what life was like on

30:41

a boat.

30:44

Yes.

30:45

Wow.

30:46

I remember I had an engineer

30:48

one time, and this was on

30:51

Nick Cage's boat and

30:54

I was bringing it back from the Hampton's

30:57

somewhere up in Connecticut back down

30:59

to Lauderdale. And

31:03

I didn't know it at the time because I didn't

31:06

know the guy well enough. But the engineer

31:10

he passed out well

31:13

I should have said, he looked like he fell asleep during

31:16

a team meeting, staff

31:18

meeting in

31:20

a sleep. He faced

31:23

drunk and

31:25

I took his class and it was

31:28

like a tumbler. It

31:31

was straight vodka.

31:35

Yeah, the engineer, the engineer,

31:37

a lot of people's lives at seek.

31:40

So yeah, there's I mean, it

31:42

does happen, not

31:45

just on television. So that's why

31:47

it cracks me up sometimes when people say

31:51

it's all scripted, and

31:54

I said, trust me when I tell you, if

31:56

it was scripted, my life would have

31:58

been so much easier. I

32:01

would have known what was coming. I could have

32:03

you know, just read my lines and

32:05

everything would have been great. But

32:08

the stuff that happened it just like straight

32:11

out of the box and you get hit right between the

32:13

eyes with it.

32:15

How about the guests on the show, I

32:18

we from the very beginning, we're curious

32:20

about how you picked

32:22

them and what the incentives

32:25

were for them to be on the boat, because

32:27

obviously a lot of them some of them

32:29

act just fine, but many

32:32

of them don't, and were

32:34

like, who would put themselves out

32:36

there to be talked

32:38

about, ridiculed?

32:40

And you know for folks who are

32:42

on the outside looking in, just they look like general.

32:44

FLEs like we were just curious about that

32:46

process.

32:48

Well, there's there's two things. When

32:50

we first started the series, it

32:54

was so unknown and

32:58

I'm not going to say nobody knew what they were doing, but

33:00

nobody had filmed charter

33:03

guests on a moving boat with all of the

33:05

crew and then all the camera crew and all the audio

33:08

techts and everything that we had to have on

33:10

board had never been done before.

33:13

And so we

33:15

were actually we weren't charging anybody

33:18

for the charters,

33:21

and then we ran into an issue because

33:23

we weren't charging anybody for the charters

33:26

if they didn't have some skin in the game. At

33:28

the last minute, they'd find what

33:30

I call a BBD, a bigger, better

33:32

deal, Oh wow, and

33:35

they wouldn't show up.

33:37

Oh wow.

33:38

So then I'm you know, myself

33:41

and the production crew were sitting there. Now we got

33:44

four days to fill with

33:47

no guests.

33:49

Then think about that.

33:50

So we started charging, and

33:53

they did get a heavily discounted rate,

33:57

and it was really a great

33:59

deal for them. You know, generally

34:02

they got like I remember a

34:04

couple of seasons we'd charter. We

34:06

would rent a mansion,

34:08

a villa that would

34:10

accommodate six or eight people. They'd

34:13

have their own chef swimming

34:15

pool, and they would get there, spend

34:17

two days in the villa and

34:20

then come on board the boat, spend

34:22

three days there and then go back

34:24

to the villa for another day

34:26

or two and then on their airfare

34:29

or on their plane to get out of there.

34:32

And we would charge

34:34

them X amount of dollars. But

34:36

everything was inclusive.

34:39

So that's a really good deal.

34:41

That's a great deal.

34:42

It was a really good deal for them. And

34:44

you know, unless they wanted a case of Louis tray,

34:47

then you know, they stayed

34:49

within limits. Then

34:52

they were okay, But what used to amaze

34:54

me tremendously was

34:59

when you talk to people like

35:01

crew, they

35:04

you entered them and you want this is why

35:06

you want them, because they're an interesting personality.

35:10

They seem like they're fun to hang out with, they're

35:13

going to be great on film. They look good, they're

35:15

beautiful, they're handsome,

35:17

and they've got an engaging personality,

35:21

and that's why you hire them, or

35:23

that's why you agree to have them come on board

35:26

as guests. And

35:28

then as soon the very split

35:30

second that the cameras

35:33

start rolling, they

35:35

just morph into the biggest volume bear.

35:37

Wow, that's crazy.

35:40

Camera comes on and they're just totally

35:42

different, and you're

35:44

going like, no,

35:48

what the hell just happened here?

35:50

Why? But why wouldn't you want to

35:52

look bad? I mean, that makes them look worse.

35:54

Why wouldn't they be on their best behavior

35:56

and telling the crew so well?

35:59

With the cameras rolling, they would

36:01

get together and conspire, the guests

36:03

would to think of difficult

36:05

situations to make for the crew.

36:07

Kidding me, Wow, I'm

36:09

shocked by that.

36:10

Why wow?

36:13

And it was just you know, and

36:16

we dealt with it.

36:17

Wow, I know we watched it. Was there a group

36:19

that shocked you the most.

36:21

Didn't happen a lot, but

36:25

you know, because there were so many really

36:27

really great charters that I had throughout

36:29

my career and below deck the

36:32

Two's, for example, LeAnn

36:34

Dewey and Shawnee her

36:36

husband from the blind Side.

36:39

Yep, they were just great

36:42

and you just loved hanging around

36:44

with them and cameras on or

36:47

not, they didn't change who they were or

36:49

what they were. I

36:52

remember having some housewives on board

36:54

and I thought, oh my god,

36:57

talk about high maintenance. I'm an

36:59

overload here, and

37:02

when the charter was over, couldn't have been

37:04

further from the truth. Well, they

37:07

were just the nicest group of it

37:09

was Claudia Jordan and Cynthia

37:11

Bailey.

37:12

Cynthia her mom and

37:14

daughter, and we.

37:17

Just had a great time with them. They weren't high maintenance.

37:20

They were a lot of fun. And

37:23

then there were some other guys. I mean, you just you

37:27

take. It's kind of like the luck of the draw.

37:30

Kem Lea advise folks who maybe

37:34

if they're not even maybe they will be a charter guest somewhere

37:36

on some boat some day. But there's something

37:38

we see it a lot with airline travel

37:40

to where people who you feel

37:43

entitled, that that flight attendant or

37:45

that deckhand or that stewards

37:47

or whatever. It's

37:49

like your servants. They people feel

37:52

for whatever reason in those like you're

37:54

there to serve them and obey

37:57

their every command. Just

37:59

in general, give some advice to

38:01

people to give a break to maybe some of

38:03

these folks who are serving

38:05

them in travel.

38:07

The people that behave that way with

38:10

that sense of entitlement. Generally

38:13

it's new money. It's

38:15

not old money, because old money

38:18

is a product of class culture and breeding.

38:22

The new money they

38:24

have that sense of entitlement about

38:26

them for no

38:28

reason whatsoever, and

38:34

they should the

38:36

people my crew, and I've

38:39

told some charter guests on charter,

38:43

no, my crew are

38:45

not your slaves period.

38:48

You will treat them with respect or

38:52

I'll turn this boat around and head back to the

38:54

dock. Dump your ass

38:57

off and keep your money you have.

38:59

You've kicked a guest before, we've seen it.

39:01

It was awesome.

39:02

I have no problem doing that.

39:06

Yes, yes, yes, And you kicked her off

39:08

the lorus.

39:12

That was amazing. And now and

39:14

now.

39:15

Season one, I kicked Johnny.

39:17

Eyelash yes, yes,

39:19

oh yes, And he's

39:21

the.

39:21

Guy that came rolling down the dock a group

39:24

of photographers and he's wearing this nasty,

39:26

dirty, old bathrobe. Do

39:30

you remember that, teacher?

39:31

I do? I do?

39:32

I do I do?

39:35

That's that's a sight you can unsea.

39:39

And then we've seen guests behave

39:42

badly, like horribly, and

39:44

then come back the next season trying

39:46

to redeem themselves like we were like, oh

39:48

my god, they came back for more. Like

39:50

they they're.

39:51

Trying to be more outrageous than they were the

39:53

season before. That was like Charlie Wallers

39:56

crazy. That was the way he was.

39:59

He he had try and outdo it

40:01

every time, and some people just

40:03

really wanted to be as

40:06

memorable, good

40:09

or bad as

40:11

they could possibly be.

40:13

Which is wild.

40:14

And now you have the I'm

40:17

curious what your perspective is now because

40:20

you're at home watching and you've got a podcast

40:23

you recently met made headlines

40:25

talking about Speaking of Housewives Jill

40:28

Zarin and how she acted on

40:30

this latest season. What is it like for

40:32

you to watch it now like

40:34

the rest of us on television

40:37

knowing what you know.

40:41

Well, you

40:44

know it's TJ. It's like I said before,

40:47

I haven't changed anything

40:50

and the way I operate my boat.

40:53

My attitude toward the guests is

40:55

the same as it is. Everybody

40:58

comes on lights clean, Let's

41:02

do what we can to keep it that way. But

41:06

some people are just hell bent. And when I

41:08

watch people go

41:11

out of their way, it's a conscious

41:13

effort that they're doing

41:17

what they're doing. This is

41:19

no mistake, it's no accident. So

41:23

don't hand me that bullsh because I'm not

41:25

buying it, and neither is

41:28

anybody else. So

41:31

you know, I'm not really interested in like

41:34

I said, And you know, Amy, I'm just you

41:36

know, will I take your ass back to the

41:38

dock in a heartbeat. I

41:42

will put you on the dock with your luggage,

41:46

get you to the airport and say it's been a slice.

41:51

And Kevinly,

41:59

you said earlier while we were discussing issues

42:03

in our past, that we've been fired from

42:05

jobs before, and you were telling the story

42:07

about being fired from a from

42:09

a job before. Were you fired

42:12

from this one? From below

42:15

deck? That they brought in another

42:17

captain, But what is

42:20

the right way to put their transition

42:22

from you as captain to the new

42:25

guy as captain?

42:28

I guess that's subject to interpretation.

42:33

Ah, I'm

42:35

a pretty cut and dried character, And

42:41

to me, if you have a job

42:44

one minute

42:46

and the next minute you don't have a job,

42:50

and you haven't been given a

42:52

verifiable reason, Uh,

42:56

there's only one conclusion I can draw.

43:00

Which is your fire.

43:03

Well wait a minute. You made it sound as

43:05

if there's no There had to be some

43:07

conversation or explanation for Hey, we're

43:09

going in a new direction. We wanted to do something.

43:12

Yeah, that that new direction. That's boy, that

43:14

one's about ben worn out, hasn't

43:16

it.

43:17

I don't know. That's all I had in the moment.

43:19

VI.

43:23

I think that's the same one everybody on TV

43:25

that loses their job has been told, is we're

43:27

going in a new direction.

43:30

We were a distraction. We were

43:32

told we were a distraction. That

43:35

was I.

43:37

Didn't think so I wasn't. I wasn't

43:39

following because I guess

43:41

I don't know. Maybe I was naive. But

43:45

the situation between you two, to

43:49

me, didn't even constitute a speed bump.

43:52

We appreciate that.

43:54

No, it didn't as far as I was

43:56

concerned, because you were still doing

43:59

your jobs and doing

44:01

them well. Amy. I've always

44:03

loved all of your work that you've done, and

44:07

I just like seems

44:10

a little petty to me. But what the hell do I know.

44:12

I'm just a boat captain.

44:19

Well, that's where you have to be cautious with me. If

44:23

you if you really don't want

44:25

the the answer to

44:29

that question, then I may not be

44:31

the one you want to ask because it

44:35

may be more than you bargained for.

44:37

You know, that's a that's a good point, but

44:40

go ahead, I'm sorry. Ahead.

44:41

Well, I've always been of the belief

44:44

that you

44:46

do the right thing, and the right

44:48

thing is what's what's right in your mind. You

44:51

know what the right thing is, and

44:53

you know when you're not doing it. And

44:57

if I've done the right thing, I

45:00

sleep really good at night. I

45:03

feel pretty good because I've always strived

45:05

to do the right thing, period

45:09

and I don't think you can never go wrong by

45:12

doing the right thing. Now. To say that

45:14

doing the right thing is always going to be easy

45:17

or comfortable, oh

45:19

hell no, Sometimes

45:21

it's going to be one of the hardest things you've ever done.

45:24

Doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do.

45:28

But for us, though, Captain

45:30

Lee, for like, I

45:32

mean, I don't want to go overboard with it. But for I

45:35

know fans are fans of the show for different reasons.

45:38

We are fans because it

45:40

really did cap'n Lee. Yeah, she wasn't

45:42

exaggerating what you said. You kind

45:45

of were a steady voice that carried us through

45:47

and we streamed and streamed and streamed when we were

45:49

essentially on lockdown. But to thank

45:51

you. But the thing that there was a breakup

45:53

between you and the

45:56

show, that there should

45:58

have been a sindoff that should have been. It feels

46:00

like dust By you were the show for

46:02

so long that why

46:05

in listening to you now, it sounds like you didn't

46:07

even get a good reason or even a conversation

46:10

about why you weren't coming

46:12

back. And certainly it sounds like you did

46:15

want to and were willing to come back.

46:19

I was willing to come back. I

46:22

did have some health issues which

46:25

I worked through, and

46:32

if somebody had said to me, that's

46:34

why this is why you're not coming

46:36

back, I

46:39

could have accepted that. I don't.

46:42

You know, the truth is kind of like the right

46:44

thing right. It may not be

46:46

easy to swallow, but it doesn't change the fact

46:48

that it's the truth. And

46:51

before I left the show in the

46:53

middle of season ten to

46:56

come back and try and recover conversation

47:00

with one of the producers who I admire

47:02

very much and I've spent a lot of time

47:05

with him on a personal level, and

47:07

I told him, I said, I

47:09

said, right now, I said, I'm

47:11

more of a liability than I am an asset.

47:16

So I think it's time for me to

47:19

step aside, go

47:21

get this situation resolved

47:23

as quickly as I can, and

47:25

then come back and finish the season

47:27

out. Because

47:29

I had promised the crew. I gave my word that

47:32

I would be back and I would finish

47:34

the season. And

47:38

when I came back here, I went straight from

47:40

the plane to the hospital into

47:43

physical therapy and I spent

47:47

four or six, sometimes eight hours a day

47:50

every day of the next two

47:52

weeks, two and a half weeks

47:54

and physical therapy just to get to the point

47:57

where I could walk with a crutch. But

48:02

if you give your word, you keep it.

48:05

And we watched you come back, and

48:07

it was everybody was so excited

48:10

to see you come back.

48:11

Away with a totally clear conscience.

48:13

Yeah you did. And so where are you health

48:15

wise now, Captain Lee.

48:17

I'm doing pretty good. I still have a little

48:19

bit of a limp. I'm

48:22

not going to run the Boston Marathon that year,

48:26

But hell, I can't think of a year I

48:28

was ever going to run the Boston. But

48:33

I'm doing well and I'm

48:36

still having a lot of fun. The wife and

48:38

I are traveling a little bit, and

48:42

I still go to the gym every day without

48:46

unless there's something really profitable

48:50

or something I can't get

48:52

out of happening. But yeah,

48:55

I'm still a gym rat.

48:57

And perfectly physically capable of running

48:59

a chart of season on a boat right now. Absolutely

49:03

you want to.

49:05

I've I've had offers

49:08

to go back to work, but

49:11

it's like anything else, you know. I interview

49:14

the owners as much as the owner interviews

49:17

me, because

49:20

I'm going to have to spend a lot of time with this individual.

49:23

And if he just wants somebody to sit there and

49:25

go, yeah, you're right, Yeah,

49:27

you're right. I'm not your guy.

49:30

What about your wife though, Does she want you to go back to

49:32

work.

49:33

No, she wanted me to retire

49:35

three four years ago.

49:38

How long have you all been married now?

49:41

April twelfth, we hung out year number

49:43

forty nine.

49:45

Congratulations,

49:47

thank you. What's

49:50

the secret to your marriage?

49:51

Well, I'm just trying to figure

49:53

out what we're going to do with the next forty nine.

49:56

I love that. I love that

49:58

we have to ask everybody. Does anybody

50:01

in a relationship, here's that somebody's been together fifty

50:03

years of a marriage, Like, what is

50:05

it that worked for you? Guys? What? So?

50:08

What can you can you give advice?

50:11

I I get up every

50:13

day and I think,

50:16

what can I do to put a smile on her face?

50:20

What can I do to make her world better?

50:23

And I will if there's something that I want

50:25

to do and something she wants to

50:27

do. What she wants to do comes

50:29

first. Always.

50:32

Do you think she she wakes up and has

50:35

those same thoughts about you?

50:37

Yes, I think they're reciprocal.

50:39

Now that's awesome, that's all.

50:40

And she

50:44

she and I know she has I know she's

50:46

acquiesced a numerous god

50:49

too many to count, where

50:51

she knew something really meant a lot to

50:53

me, and it was like to her, it

50:55

was like, but

51:00

she would do it anyhow, And

51:03

she would put herself out there, and she would

51:05

put herself sometimes in some

51:07

uncomfortable situations, especially

51:09

like if we were you

51:12

know, doing something

51:15

like when they had a tribute

51:18

to me when I left,

51:21

and she wasn't really comfortable,

51:24

you know, being there but

51:28

she did it because she knew it meant a lot to me. Yeah,

51:33

And I think if you if you spend your

51:36

time trying

51:38

to make your significant other happy,

51:41

you're probably going to succeed as

51:44

long as the two of you do it together,

51:46

because you're going to change. There's

51:49

things that that you like now that you're not going

51:51

to like ten years down the road. And

51:55

it's a two way street. Amy.

51:57

There's things you like now that you're not going to

51:59

lie and tjate. There's things

52:01

that you do

52:04

that five ten years now you go

52:06

like the hell was I think? And

52:11

but they're just speed bumps. You

52:13

get over them. But you do it together.

52:17

That's sweet. I love that.

52:19

What did what did it do, if

52:21

anything, to your marriage for you suddenly

52:24

to become the stud of the Seas, to

52:26

become Captain Lee on television?

52:28

Did that change anything in your marriage?

52:31

Yeah? You have no idea how much mileage.

52:33

My wife has gotten out of that Stud of the Sea.

52:37

I like her. I like her.

52:38

She's going like, yes, study

52:41

to see my ass.

52:45

But it didn't change anything.

52:49

It did, and there was

52:52

there was a long time where I

52:55

I had a lot of trouble in soby she just

52:58

getting used to the

53:00

celebrity aspect of it,

53:04

because I've never considered

53:06

myself a celebrity. I still

53:08

don't. I was always just

53:10

a captain that got filmed doing

53:13

his job the best that he could,

53:15

period. And

53:18

now to have people you

53:20

know, fawning

53:24

over you, for lack of a better

53:26

word, you just they

53:30

don't. Nobody gives you a manual that

53:33

says, okay, when this happens,

53:36

turn to page forty two and paragraph

53:39

three and you'll find the

53:41

answer for this situation. Teach you how to

53:43

deal with it. You're

53:45

just kind of like tossed into it. And one

53:49

of the hardest things is to get used to your

53:52

anonymity being gone

53:55

forever. You can't

53:57

you can't walk down the street, you can't

53:59

go out to her. And

54:01

I mean I've tried it. Like I

54:04

thought, when we've filmed in Thailand, which

54:06

is one of my favorite spots,

54:08

I thought, surely I've

54:13

got to be safe in Thailand. Day

54:15

one, I'm walking down the dock and we're going

54:18

for pickup interviews

54:20

and I hear somebody's screaming Coppin

54:23

Lee. I'm

54:25

going, right, no, it

54:28

can't be happening. So we had

54:31

to stop talk take a bunch of pictures,

54:33

and I don't

54:35

mind that. I really don't if

54:37

I'm out and about at a restaurant

54:40

supermarket. That's why I hate going to the supermarket,

54:43

because it's never just run in, grab that gallon

54:45

and milk and get the hell out of there. Forget

54:48

that, it's a half

54:50

hour, forty five minute, maybe an hour deal.

54:53

It's like a book signing, fawning

54:56

of you. What are some of the weirder things

54:58

or even shocking things we hear

55:00

about rock stars get the letters

55:02

in the mail and you know, undergarments

55:05

and stuff like that. What is the weirdest

55:07

kind of thing you've gotten.

55:09

I've received some pictures that you're

55:11

probably never going to be able to unsee in your

55:13

life.

55:17

That's amazing, amazing,

55:19

And you just go, really.

55:23

It's flattering kind of though, kevinly, isn't it?

55:26

No?

55:27

Okay, sorry, it's just like

55:29

I mean, there's some pictures

55:31

that I've gotten where you go like, y'all

55:34

have been better off keeping your clothes.

55:37

Definitely, that's

55:39

great.

55:40

Well, TJ, come on, now, there's

55:43

just some there's some things you just can't

55:45

unsee.

55:46

Well, it's still just to think

55:48

that someone thinks the stranger thinks

55:50

enough of you, or thinks you're so

55:52

adorable that it's worth taking the clothes

55:55

off and sending a stranger

55:57

a picture. I mean, that's I don't know.

55:58

Think about what you just said.

56:00

Yeah, as it was coming out, it sounded dumber

56:02

and dumber.

56:03

Yes, Captain Lee,

56:05

you mentioned just it kind of sparks because I

56:07

wanted to ask you this. You said Thailand was one of

56:09

your favorite places. You've been all over the world.

56:11

I think so many of us love

56:14

traveling and want to know what

56:16

is Do you have a favorite place

56:18

you've ever been, you've ever sailed? Just

56:21

I want to know from a

56:23

man who's seen almost everything, what's

56:26

your favorite place.

56:28

I'm not sure I've been there yet, but

56:31

of the places I've been, Tahiti

56:34

probably ranks up there at

56:37

the top because it was

56:39

so nice. Here

56:42

we are, we're on a one hundred and eighty five

56:44

foot vote. It's just dropped

56:46

dead gorgeous. And you

56:49

know when you travel by yacht

56:51

throughout the you know, like go up

56:53

to the Hamptons, try and get a dog spot. It's

56:57

not going to happen in the high season.

57:00

Go to France. You're just another billionaire

57:03

with a big boat, nobody

57:05

really cares. But in Tahiti,

57:08

you pull into an anchorage, there

57:11

may be one other boat there, and

57:14

you've got the whole anchorage to yourself. In fact,

57:17

Jimmy Buffett wrote a song about it. It was called

57:19

One Particular Harbor. I

57:22

don't know that, and I have been

57:24

to that harbor, and now

57:26

I understand why he wrote the song, because

57:30

as soon as you got inside that harbor and

57:32

you were back in the calm water, drop

57:34

the hook, it was so

57:37

serene, so peaceful, and

57:40

you you realize that you could spend

57:45

an endless amount of time there just

57:48

thinking, contemplating, just

57:51

sharing it with someone.

57:54

Okay, that's nice. We got to go to Tahiti. Tell

57:58

me this guy and lead met Mediterranean

58:01

Sailing yacht down under Adventure.

58:04

Which of those below deck spinoffs

58:06

is your favorite?

58:08

Not going there?

58:09

Oh?

58:14

Or isn't?

58:14

Yeah, I know you've seen them all. There's what

58:17

I have? Why not go there? I

58:20

thought that was an easy question.

58:24

I I don't think it's it's

58:29

right because I have I

58:31

have a certain way that I

58:33

prefer doing things, and of

58:37

course I think everybody else is wrong, but

58:41

I have a certain way that I use and

58:43

I have certain things that I

58:46

I try to stay away from, and

58:49

judging someone else's whether

58:53

especially a peer of mine, judging

58:56

their performance or how they handle something

58:59

is not something that I'm willing to do

59:01

in a public form.

59:03

Well to that point, well, I was just kind

59:05

of not as a criticism of any

59:07

other. But to your point, it seemed

59:09

like, I mean, Robot and I here have watched.

59:11

Well, it seems like if I

59:13

don't, if I go ahead and I say, okay below

59:16

deck Shaling is my favorite.

59:17

Then everybody else will be mad?

59:18

What's what's wrong with the other three?

59:20

Yeah? There it is. No, Yeah, I'm just I'm.

59:22

Proud of the fact that I was the first one

59:25

and then we had four more spin offs.

59:27

Well, yeah, got there. He's

59:29

been he's figuring this whole thing out years.

59:32

But to your point there, it seemed like a lot of people.

59:34

Again, Robot and I watched all of your

59:36

seasons, and we saw when

59:38

Captain Sandy came in so

59:41

to read that people were trying to make

59:43

like a beef between the two of you. They seemed

59:46

to want to cause some kind of controversy.

59:48

We didn't see it necessarily watched

59:51

it. So about your relationship with Camptain

59:53

Sandy. It didn't seem like there was

59:55

any animosity between the two of you, but people.

59:58

Wrote about it.

59:59

Yeah, we

1:00:01

do things differently and

1:00:04

there are certain things that we don't see eye to eye

1:00:06

on. But I think that's true in

1:00:09

any profession. That's

1:00:11

why you get a second opinion when you go to

1:00:13

the doctor.

1:00:15

Bottom line, how is your relationship with Captain Sandy?

1:00:18

That's fine. Like I said, we

1:00:20

don't see the eye to eye and a lot

1:00:22

of things, but she has a

1:00:24

job to do. I commend her for

1:00:27

for, you know, her achievements,

1:00:30

because there's not a lot of female captains

1:00:32

in the in the Meggiat world,

1:00:35

and most people don't understand

1:00:38

how rigorous and how difficult it is

1:00:41

not only to achieve it, but to keep

1:00:43

it right.

1:00:44

So it sounds like there's professional respect.

1:00:46

Is there a friendship? No,

1:00:52

and that's okay, but I'm

1:00:54

fine with that.

1:00:56

There's there's a lot of people I don't

1:00:58

like, but I respect

1:01:00

them.

1:01:03

He's freaking out because you and I sound so much

1:01:05

alike.

1:01:09

I don't. I've had people on board

1:01:11

that I don't like that have worked

1:01:13

with me, and

1:01:16

I don't have to like you. If

1:01:19

you're doing a good job, and I like your performance.

1:01:23

What you're doing. Your personal life is your business.

1:01:27

Can we ask you about the new guy, Keptain

1:01:29

Carrie? Carrie? All right? Can we ask

1:01:32

you?

1:01:32

I've met Carrie a time or two,

1:01:35

We've had a discussion or two, and

1:01:39

I really don't have an opinion one way or the

1:01:41

other as far as Carrie goes.

1:01:45

After watching him on

1:01:47

the show, after watching how he works, or just

1:01:49

after your personal one on one interaction

1:01:54

both.

1:01:56

You know, you're always going to look at

1:01:58

at somebody that doing your job

1:02:02

in a fashion where you

1:02:05

go like, I

1:02:07

wouldn't have done that that way. I

1:02:09

had handle that differently.

1:02:11

Yeah, And it.

1:02:12

Doesn't mean that somebody's wrong, It

1:02:15

just means you're different.

1:02:17

So, Captain Lee, if you were going to set sail

1:02:19

on a new season, who would be your dream

1:02:22

team cast?

1:02:23

Oh?

1:02:23

That's question, And that's another

1:02:26

area I won't all

1:02:31

right, I will give you I

1:02:34

would have Eddie and Kate.

1:02:36

Okay and

1:02:38

Eddie, Eddie and Kate. I get that, that's totally.

1:02:40

There's so many that were so much

1:02:42

fun and were such hard

1:02:44

workers. Connie

1:02:47

was one. Yeah, she was

1:02:49

a great deckhand, fun to be around.

1:02:52

Ah, love to play jokes,

1:02:56

you know. I mean, who brings

1:02:58

a sewing machine board a yacht.

1:03:00

With them, Connie,

1:03:03

Yeah.

1:03:04

And you know what she did with it. She

1:03:06

would watch the deck through how

1:03:09

they put their shorts on in the morning because

1:03:12

doors are open all over the place. Nobody there's

1:03:14

no modesty whatsoever, So

1:03:17

they're putting their shorts on in the morning. And

1:03:20

then when

1:03:22

she got the opportunity, she would

1:03:24

take the opposite leg and sow it shut

1:03:29

so they'd get the one leg in, then

1:03:32

they go to put the other one in and it wouldn't

1:03:34

go through, and they'd fall on their rasps and

1:03:37

she'd start laughing. And

1:03:40

then by the time they got that it's situation

1:03:42

straightened around, they'd go to put their deck shoes

1:03:44

in and find out there was stuff full

1:03:46

of shaving cream. It's

1:03:49

like.

1:03:51

Keeping everybody home.

1:03:52

There have been so many people on board that were

1:03:54

just, you know, just really great to work

1:03:57

with, a lot of fun and

1:03:59

that I would love to work with again given

1:04:01

the opportunity. But I mean, way

1:04:04

too many to mention. And it's pretty

1:04:06

rare that you had anybody back for a second

1:04:08

season. I think Eddie and Kate

1:04:11

were the only two outside

1:04:13

of Frasier that

1:04:16

actually made the cut to come back

1:04:18

for more than one season.

1:04:19

Please please tell us we like Fraser?

1:04:23

Is he good? People?

1:04:25

Because we really liked him. Surprisingly,

1:04:28

he snuck up on us and we're like, wow, we really

1:04:30

like this guy.

1:04:31

Yes he is.

1:04:32

He's a real deal.

1:04:33

Okay, good, He's very sincere.

1:04:35

I used to die laughing when

1:04:38

he'd start talking to himself.

1:04:41

He's such a perfectionist.

1:04:43

Yeah, he would come. He would come back from a conversation

1:04:46

with somebody that would just like jerk

1:04:49

his chain and he would

1:04:51

be talking to himself under his breath.

1:04:55

We get that.

1:04:56

I and I and I keep going crazier.

1:05:01

You're on a hot mic.

1:05:02

So kem

1:05:04

leeh Is there any chance or what are the chances

1:05:07

we will see you on TV

1:05:09

at the helm of a boat

1:05:12

on Bravo or wherever it may be, or back

1:05:14

on below deck where we would like

1:05:16

to see you. But is there is that in the

1:05:18

car.

1:05:19

I don't know how much chance there is

1:05:21

that I'll be back on TV at

1:05:24

the helm of a boat, but

1:05:28

I think I can feel pretty safe

1:05:30

in saying that there is a distinct

1:05:33

chance that I will be back on TV

1:05:35

in the not too distant future.

1:05:37

That's very exciting, and

1:05:40

that's.

1:05:40

About as much as I'm without

1:05:43

really getting my hands slapped.

1:05:45

Well, we can't wait.

1:05:46

That I can say about it there.

1:05:49

It's not the same without you, So I know

1:05:51

you've thank you so much.

1:05:52

You're very kind from.

1:05:53

So many people, but you are one

1:05:56

of the main reasons why we kept watching.

1:05:58

So thank you for helping us us truly

1:06:01

get through last year with some

1:06:03

levity and some lessons and

1:06:06

some wanderlust because we

1:06:08

actually made a vacation around one

1:06:10

of the destinations. So thank

1:06:13

you for all that you have done, and just

1:06:15

thank you for being yourself. Just to see somebody

1:06:17

in this world of reality TV actually be real

1:06:20

is awesome and you embody that.

1:06:23

So thank you, Captain Lee.

1:06:25

It's my pleasure and thank you. I can't

1:06:27

tell you what it means to be on your show.

1:06:30

I'm honored and

1:06:34

it's been very enjoyable. And I can't say that

1:06:36

about a lot of podcasts. I

1:06:40

can't say that about a lot of podcasts and appearances

1:06:43

that I've made over the years that

1:06:45

I actually enjoyed

1:06:47

it and had a good time coming

1:06:50

from you. This is definitely

1:06:52

one of them.

1:06:54

Thank you. Thank you so much. Kaviie

1:06:57

we'll see on the seas, brother, all.

1:06:59

Right, catch it. Everybody on the flip side by

1:07:02

bye bye bye