Lael Couper Jepson as she dives into another conversation this season that centers on this one central question: What's on her mind?

Episode 4 features a conversation between Lael and Jen Dean and it's rollicking good ride covering loads of topics that rarely reach the light of day between women—so you're welcome to overhear it. In the spirit of braiding three strands together to create some creative tension and play at the intersections of things, Jen brings in these three topics that are on her mind these days:

SEEING (ourselves and each other) FREEDOM (breaking from convention, unschooling ourselves)COLLECTIVE WISDOM (tapping into the vegas nerve of humanity)

—We talk about moving into the crone phase of our lives and how that has sharpened and deepened our vision.

—We talk about those moments we have a foot in this world and a foot out of it—as we access our wisdom, play with our power, hone our intuition, and honor our instincts.

—We talk about time—bending it, moving through it, our old/new stories about it, the experiences we've had, what we've been playing with recently and how to use it more powerfully.

—We talk about religion and spirituality—from cults and conventional training to being a witch and reclaiming our divinity on our own terms.

—We talk about how words have power and imagine what might be possible for the world if we talk about these things more openly—and why we don't.

-We talk about the need to "unschool" ourselves—our children and our world—as a means to remember what we have forgotten and the call for leaders (women in particular) to "do power differently"

—We talk about how storytelling, art and communities are the tools that will support us most because they are where we can be most free and feel safe to express our truth.

—We talk about change being an "inside job" and the need to be true to ourselves, in integrity and aligned with our beliefs——because the way we treat ourselves is the way we treat others.

It's thoughtful, emotional, insightful, and inspiring.

Welcome to our conversation. We're happy to have you overhear it.

Learn more about Lael at SheChanges https://shechanges.com/Learn more about Jen Dean at https://jendeanphoto.com/ or her Instagram at @jendeanportrait

Show Notes: resources referenced

Witch: Unleashed, Untamed, Unapologetic by Lisa ListerCassandra Speaks: When Women are the Storytellers, The Human Story Changes by Elizabeth LesserRaising Free People: Unschooling as Liberation and Healing Word by Akilah RichardsYour Elusive Creative Genius—TED talk by Elizabeth GilbertThe Artist Way by Julia CameronMother Night and Dangerous Old Woman by Clarissa Pinkola Estes