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tonight, why I'm Manhattan grand jury in the Stormy

0:33

Daniels hush money case appears to be in a holding

0:35

pattern, why one of the two federal cases

0:37

by contrast just keeps accelerating. Sources

0:40

tell us the Manhattan Grand jury panel met today

0:42

but did not take up the case, it's expected

0:44

to recommen on Monday, possibly to

0:47

hear additional testimony. Tonight,

0:49

my exclusive conversation with the attorney for Stormy

0:51

Daniels, his thoughts on where the case is heading

0:53

and whether his client wants to see the former

0:55

president indicted. Mister Trump has

0:57

been seeking donations as you know from his porter's

1:00

fundraising off his claims 360 was gonna be

1:02

arrested this past 360. And in a

1:04

news series of statements on the social network

1:06

is calling the Manhattan District Attorney 360 Bragg

1:08

a quote, danger to our country

1:11

and to quote, animal. He's also

1:13

linked to an article with a photo of Bragg next

1:15

to photo of himself with a baseball bat

1:17

looking like he's ready to take swing. Bragg's

1:20

office 360 sent a letter to House Republicans

1:23

who were seeking to investigate the investigators. A

1:25

letter says House Republicans only got

1:27

involved, quote, after Donald Trump

1:29

created a false expectation that

1:32

he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers

1:34

reportedly 360 you to intervene. Neither

1:37

fact, the letter continues. IS A

1:39

LEGIDIMATE BASIS FOR CONGRESSIONAL 360.

1:41

HERE'S HOW SPEAKER 360 REPLY.

1:45

DOESN'T positively, so I don't understand

1:47

why you're doing just pretty close ones. Developments

1:50

as well on the federal side, lawyers

1:52

for the former vice president 360 in court today

1:54

behind closed doors trying to block

1:56

a grand jury subpoena for his testimony

1:58

in the January sixth case. And in

2:00

the classified documents case, tomorrow is

2:02

the day the former president's 360, Evan Corcoran,

2:05

is expected to give additional testimony

2:07

and turnover documents after the DC district

2:09

appeals court upheld the judge's

2:11

incredibly rare decision to set

2:14

aside attorney client privilege under

2:16

the crime fraud exception. Now 360 have

2:18

reporting tonight on all of the above, 360 as CaraSkinnel

2:20

on the Manhattan case and Kalen Polens

2:22

on the federal

2:23

action, CaraSkinil, starts us off.

2:25

So 360 idea why things have slowed down with the grand

2:27

jury

2:28

in New York? Well, I mean, this grand jury has been hearing

2:30

evidence in this case since January. We've

2:32

seen a number of the witnesses close to

2:34

this David Peker at the National Enquirer, Michael

2:38

Cohen, who is Trump's fixer, the man in the middle

2:40

of these payments and some people from the Trump organization.

2:42

You know, we were getting toward the end of

2:44

this investigation. The DA's office invited

2:46

Trump to go in before the grand 360. He declined,

2:48

but he asked him to put a witness in. And we saw

2:51

that witness go in. On Monday, it was one of Cohen's

2:53

former advisers Bob Castello. Now,

2:55

the prosecutors had Michael Cohen on hand

2:57

as a rebuttal witness They didn't

2:59

call him.

3:00

was physically there. He was

3:01

physically there, but Costello's testimony

3:03

went to four fifty 360. M. The grand jury

3:05

ends at six. So they're

3:07

sitting 360, regrouping, looking at how

3:09

their next gonna make this move. The grand jury

3:11

sat today, but it was always intending

3:14

to hear another case. That's just how the grand jury's

3:16

work. They hear a couple of cases at a time.

3:18

So 360 now know they're gonna be back on Monday.

3:20

Sources tell us they're likely to call another witness,

3:23

at least one more witness. And other

3:25

sources say they're weighing whether or not they want

3:27

to bring Cohen back or it could be someone else.

3:29

So, you know, all of this takes place behind closed

3:31

doors where they're watching every day,

3:33

but it's really just the decision making

3:36

inside the 360 office of how they want to

3:38

continue moving forward in

3:39

this. I mean, is there any possibility

3:41

that the DA, the brag, is rethinking the

3:44

merits of his

3:44

case? I mean, I think prosecutors are always

3:46

evaluating evidence and given the

3:49

magnitude of this decision, the first time

3:51

to bring a criminal indictment

3:53

against a former president is

3:55

something that's never been done before. And

3:57

I think with this case, there also has

4:00

been a lot of public criticism of

4:02

the strength of the evidence, particularly

4:04

because it's a law that hasn't been used before.

4:07

That does not mean they're not going to bring this

4:09

case, but I think like any prosecutor would,

4:11

they're looking at this and evaluating constantly

4:14

the strength of their some where they feel that they

4:15

are. Yeah. But on the strength of the case, I mean, getting an

4:17

indictment from a grand jury, that's a much lower

4:19

level bar than it is from actually getting it

4:21

from a 360 at a

4:23

trial. Right. But mean, prosecutors don't

4:25

wanna lose and is the saying is, like, you don't

4:27

shoot at the king and miss. Right? So there

4:30

already is a lot criticism of, is this

4:32

the case given how many criminal negations

4:34

Trump is under. Is this the one that you

4:36

want to go with first? And,

4:39

you know, each prosecutor looks at their case to

4:41

their own lens and at their facts? This

4:44

fact pattern has been around for seven years

4:46

now. Federal prosecutors had looked at it in

4:48

past. The previous DA had looked at

4:50

it and was only going to include it in a large

4:52

indictment in involving, you know, questions

4:55

about the financial statements and the accuracy of them at

4:57

the Trump organization. So it's very interesting that

4:59

brag now taking a look at all of the evidence that

5:01

they have is focusing in on

5:02

this. You know, but it's still

5:04

a big decision AND SOMETHING THAT HE'S

5:06

GOING TO WANT TO GET RIGHT. Reporter: CARRISNE, SKINEL,

5:09

I'LL 360 HIM. Thank YOU SO MUCH. NOW MY EXCLUSIVE

5:11

CONVERSATION WITH CLARCAN BRUDEAU, OUR ATTORNEY FOR STORM.

5:13

I TALK TO HIM JUST BEFORE ARRITIME.

5:16

Mister Brewster, I appreciate you joining us. Can you just

5:18

explain the level of cooperation that

5:21

Stormy Daniels has had with Manhattan

5:23

investigators and what and what they've asked her

5:25

so far?

5:28

Well, sure. Stormy

5:30

has always made it known that

5:33

she would share any information

5:35

she had and any chronological

5:38

information or any

5:39

documents. And 360

5:41

much about until I A

5:42

meeting with them of some

5:44

length. Actually, I think they were

5:47

four or five crossing Kitter's

5:48

present. We did it over Zoom,

5:50

but she's been very open and cooperative

5:53

with him.

5:54

I interviewed miss 360 for sixty minutes

5:57

back in two thousand 360. I asked her about

5:59

the payment that was made to

6:00

her, and I just wanna play that for our viewers.

6:04

Was it hush money to stay silent? Yes.

6:08

The story was coming out again. I

6:11

WAS CONCERNED FOR MY FAMILY

6:13

AND THEIR

6:13

SAFETY. THINK SOME PEOPLE WATCHING THIS

6:16

ARE GOING TO DOUBT THAT YOU ENTERED

6:18

INTO THIS negotiation

6:21

because you fear of your safety, they're gonna think

6:23

that you saw an opportunity. I think

6:25

the fact that I didn't even negotiate, I

6:27

just 360 said yes to this

6:30

very, you know, strict contract

6:32

and what most people will agree with

6:34

me extremely low

6:36

number. IS ALL THE PROF I NEED. Adrienne:

6:38

AS YOU KNOW, THE FORMER

6:40

PRESIDENT DENIES ANY WRONG DOING, HE SAYS

6:42

IT WAS AN EXTORTION PLOT some of his political

6:44

allies have downplayed it as a mere personal

6:47

transaction. Is there any doubt

6:49

in your view that the payment was designed

6:51

to help protect his campaign?

6:56

Well, I think that

6:58

reasonable people knowing the facts and the

7:00

timing would reach that

7:01

conclusion. I see no

7:04

reason to believe otherwise.

7:05

Howard Bauchner: What does miss

7:07

Daniels want to see happen here? Would

7:09

she be pleased if the former president was

7:11

indeed indicted?

7:14

Well, I don't know about pleased. I I

7:16

will tell you that in my interactions,

7:19

whether I've represented or now since

7:22

March of two thousand 360. She's

7:25

always been very straightforward and truth

7:27

telling. And I think more

7:29

than anything, she desires that that

7:33

took truth to be told and found

7:35

by re and the denials

7:38

and and the accusations of

7:41

dishonesty 360. So I

7:43

think she's more interested in the

7:45

resolution of this being determined

7:48

upon the truth rather than anything

7:50

else. As you know, the the timing of

7:52

this investigation has been called in a question given that

7:54

the senators ran a payment from back in two thousand

7:56

six 360. Did miss Daniels think

7:59

this was all behind her? I mean, not

8:01

just the legal saga, but but happened to

8:04

360 with the former president's insults

8:06

and things like

8:07

that?

8:09

Well, she's been through quite a lot as your

8:11

your station. As reported.

8:14

I mean, she's been through the the Avanati

8:16

Chronicles, the issues associated

8:19

with the defamation lawsuit

8:21

and California as well as the nondisclosure

8:24

litigation out there. But

8:27

more than anything else, I mean, she doesn't

8:29

have any control over how

8:31

this is prosecuted or brought to

8:35

a jury in any way. She

8:37

simply is there and willing

8:39

to support and tell the truth

8:42

whichever way it decides to

8:43

go.

8:44

If the former president is in fact indicted

8:46

and she was called to be a witness, would she be

8:48

prepared to testify?

8:51

Yes. 360 made that very clear. She

8:54

would be willing to testify and she

8:57

would support her testimony 360

8:59

documents and evidence

9:01

and and corroboration of with witnesses.

9:04

I I'm sorry. I also know you provided the prosecution

9:06

with communications between the former president's

9:09

360, in this matter, Joe 360

9:11

and and 360 Daniels from back in two thousand

9:14

360. Can you explain in kind of layman's

9:16

terms what those communications were

9:18

about, how they might possibly impact

9:20

any court proceeding?

9:23

Yes. So, mister 360,

9:26

and that he'd never met miss Daniels

9:29

and didn't have any attorney

9:31

client relationship.

9:34

In fact, in February of twenty

9:36

eighteen, there was a fair amount of exchange

9:38

between miss Daniels and mister 360 firm

9:42

360 had a number of not only conversations, but

9:44

extensive emails outlining details

9:47

of this transaction involving former

9:50

president, as well as witnesses and

9:52

a chronology 360 what took place. That

9:55

series of written exchanges led

9:58

to a direct conversational lengthy conference

10:01

with Mr. 360 firm. So

10:03

I would say

10:06

that he's at least conflicted

10:08

to a point where he couldn't represent opposition

10:11

on that issue against her. And

10:13

the was there a retainer that

10:15

360 asked for from miss Daniels?

10:19

Yes. At the conclusion, of

10:22

the exchange of informational a

10:24

few days and the conversations and the 360,

10:27

mister 360, according

10:29

to stormy. Went

10:32

to 360. Quoteed a

10:34

retainer figure that she would have to come up in

10:36

with in cash. 360 told

10:39

her she would consider and

10:41

and see whether she could raise those funds.

10:43

Ultimately, she then interviewed Michael

10:45

Avanati and chose to go that route

10:47

and so mister 360 wasn't formally

10:50

retained, but all the information which

10:53

led to his decision to quote a retainer

10:55

figure had occurred.

10:57

Clark, Clark, Brewster, I appreciate your

10:59

time. Thank you. My

11:02

pleasure. Thank you. Of the New

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13:02

Of all the criminal investigations, a former president

13:04

is facing none has seen the kind of legal drama

13:06

that the federal documents pro pass, whether

13:08

it's the search of Mar a Lago or yesterday's Lightning

13:10

Fast appeals court decision upholding a

13:12

judge's stunning decision to

13:14

invoke the crime fraud exception to attorney

13:17

client privilege. Now, Last night in the program,

13:19

a former former federal judge told me that in

13:21

all her her seventeen years on

13:23

the bench, she'd never once found a

13:25

reason to do that. So tomorrow,

13:27

Trump 360 Evan Korchrane will testify before

13:29

Grand jury since Calin Poland has joined

13:32

us now with more on what to expect. It's obviously

13:34

tough to oversee how high the stakes

13:36

are likely to be at Mr. Corcoran's

13:38

appearance

13:38

tomorrow. Do we know how this is

13:41

gonna play out tomorrow? 360,

13:42

Anderson, we know that he's gonna have to go in and

13:44

he's gonna have to answer questions that he

13:46

was not willing to answer before

13:49

the things that his client, Donald Trump,

13:51

wanted him not to share with the grand jury

13:53

and things that he himself was did

13:55

not feel he was able to share because they were part

13:58

of his work. As an attorney. Now

14:00

Evan Corcoran, he's not just any attorney

14:02

working for Donald Trump. He was essentially the

14:04

primary defense attorney RESPONDING

14:07

TO ALL OF THE PARTS OF THE MARALAGO

14:09

INVESTIGATION AS THE CRIMINAL PROSECUTORS

14:12

HAD BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY

14:14

THEY COULDN'T GET BACK or if they had even

14:16

gotten back all of the classified documents that were

14:18

at Mar a Lago. So if you look at that timeline,

14:21

the timeline of all of the things he was part

14:23

of. That is what we know now through reporting

14:25

from my colleague, Sarah Murray, tonight, what

14:27

he's gonna be asked about tomorrow. So he's gonna be

14:29

asked about the May subpoena that

14:31

he they got from the Justice Department last year

14:33

saying, Return all the classified documents

14:35

you have. Their response to that, the

14:37

searches they did. The draft letter.

14:40

They wrote back to the justice department saying, here

14:42

it is. Here's what we found. We did searches. You've

14:44

got all in everything. At that time,

14:46

they didn't get everything back, but that's what

14:48

360 was he and other lawyers were saying.

14:51

And then also, there was a June phone

14:53

call between Evan Quirkering and

14:55

Donald Trump that the prosecutors could

14:57

learn about and it was on the same day

14:59

that the Trump Organization was subpoenaed for surveillance

15:02

videos that then showed people moving boxes.

15:04

So those are the things he's gonna be asked about.

15:07

And that's a lot that he didn't say before that

15:09

he will have to say

15:09

now. And

15:10

he also has to turn over documents. I mean, contemporaneous

15:12

notes or any recordings. Right? That's

15:15

right. And it's very likely that if the prosecutors

15:17

don't have those already, it's

15:19

very likely that he'll be carrying them into

15:21

the grand jury tomorrow. That was specified in

15:23

the court order that we yesterday afternoon that

15:25

he did have to turn those over

15:27

to. And

15:28

is it clear why the former president's

15:30

legal team has not appealed the order forcing

15:32

him to testify? It's not,

15:35

360. Donald Trump tends to appeal everything

15:37

360 if it's a really long shot. But in this

15:39

case, you know, Anderson, the the best

15:42

way to look at this is they were essentially out

15:44

of time. They were clearly running out

15:46

of time going into yesterday

15:48

whenever they were asking the appeals court

15:51

for this help. And this federal appeals court,

15:53

they would have to step up to

15:55

put on hold the testimony. It wasn't just like

15:57

a passive appeal that would put everything on

16:00

ICE. And so whenever

16:02

yesterday, the speed that the 360

16:04

court came back at this with, that they

16:07

hadn't appeared to write anything additionally,

16:09

even though it's all under 360, it didn't look like they

16:11

were explaining or weighing

16:13

law in any way. It was just a flat out

16:15

denial on both the documents

16:18

and the testimony. They weren't gonna block it,

16:20

and and that's it. So they would have had

16:22

to get somebody to step up and help them

16:24

IN A VERY SHORT TIME BEFORE

16:25

FRIDAY.

16:26

AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT. Adrienne: KAYLEN, I 360 IT

16:28

KAYLEN PULLEN. NOW THE LAW Firm of ROTH COGS

16:31

AND ISEN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSITER, Jessica ROTH,

16:33

360 Cardoza law school here in Manhattan,

16:36

seen an anchor Laura Coates, also former federal

16:38

prosecutor, and seen an illegal analyst, Norm

16:40

Eisen, who served as counsel to house Democrats in

16:42

the first Trump. Impeachment. So

16:44

Lauren, given that Evan Cochrane is expected

16:47

to not only testify tomorrow, but turn over these

16:49

documents, how likely do you think it is

16:51

the prosecutors may soon find a smoking

16:53

gun of

16:53

sorts. If

16:54

there is no,

16:55

no, he would have it. Wouldn't he? Absolutely.

16:57

And of course, it seems as though there's already

16:59

been some smoke that was conveyed to the

17:01

court at two different levels to suggest that

17:03

there was some extraordinary reason to

17:05

actually pierce what has been so sacrosanct.

17:08

I mean, the idea of piercing the attorney

17:10

privilege is saying, look, we normally

17:12

will hold this very dear, but it seems

17:14

as though there may have been an attempt to

17:16

use an 360 as some conduit

17:18

of crime or rod or some way

17:20

to sufficient to to Pearson, that's very

17:23

significant. So the contemporaneous notes

17:25

he's written, any kind of things he has in

17:27

his own possession that we'll have to

17:29

convey right now. These could ultimately

17:31

lead to one of two things. Either it could confirm

17:34

what the DOJ likely already knows through

17:36

their grand jury of other witnesses. Or

17:38

it could exonerate completely and say

17:40

this attorney did all that he was supposed

17:42

to do to to confirm that everything had

17:44

been turned in or that he was played for

17:46

a

17:47

fool. One of those two things is going to happen,

17:49

and we'll see what the result is. Jessica,

17:52

I mean, if you were the former president and

17:54

given the totality of all these things.

17:56

How concerned would you be that your former

17:58

attorney or the attorney is having testify?

18:01

I would be strictly concerned because

18:03

the very fact that the district court and now the Court

18:05

of Appeals have both found that the

18:07

crime crime fraud exception applies

18:10

means that they've seen evidence

18:12

that the president was consulting his

18:14

lawyer in furtherance of committing a crime. And that

18:16

means not just one judge has seen it, but others

18:19

and a different judge. Right? That

18:21

panel. So I'd be very concerned

18:23

because judges do not lightly pierce

18:25

the attorney client privilege. As has already

18:27

been said, it's extremely rare for a court

18:29

to do that. So if I were the former president,

18:32

I would be extremely concerned about

18:34

what it is that that persuaded the

18:36

judges that this was one of those rare circumstances

18:38

where the attorney client privilege should be pierced

18:40

and what Evan Korkhand is gonna go in and

18:43

say and what evidence he's going to

18:44

present. Bauchner: Norm, does the speed

18:46

at which the courts have moved to compel Quirkland

18:49

to testify, tell you anything about the possible

18:51

strength of the DOJ's case?

18:55

Anderson, it does. We already

18:57

knew it was a powerful case. I mean,

18:59

you can't hang on to hundreds

19:01

of classified documents and

19:05

do that despite requests. We

19:08

already knew there was a probable cause

19:10

finding of obstruct and other crimes

19:13

for the search warrant. But now

19:15

what the speed tells us is, number

19:17

one, that the conduct

19:19

was so serious. This means that

19:21

the Judge Howell, the District

19:24

Court judge found a prima facia case

19:26

of crime. That's even stronger than

19:29

probable cause. And number two,

19:32

that things are moving very

19:34

rapidly. There's some reason that Jack

19:36

Smith is accelerating this

19:38

way That suggests peril

19:41

as well. So it does have the

19:43

feel that together with Donald Trump's

19:46

other legal problems, 360 has

19:48

got a big one on these

19:50

Mar Lago classified documents.

19:53

Laura, with the hush money case here in New

19:55

York, you interpret the delay so far in the

19:57

grand jury's proceedings? Well, you

19:59

know, it could be a delay that's caused

20:01

by recollection and reflection to say,

20:04

listen, 360 may have an instance of getting

20:06

more testimony, more witnesses to cross

20:08

an 360 or a dot and I,

20:10

or it could very well be that there

20:12

is more information for a charge

20:15

that we are yet to know about, that

20:17

they're trying to buttress in some way. Although

20:19

it does give me pause if the reporting is

20:21

accurate, If they're thinking about using

20:23

another witness or recalling a witness

20:25

to either rehabilitate or buttress

20:27

some testimony, that gives me pause Anderson

20:30

because normally the grand jury stage is

20:32

one of the easiest parts for a prosecutor. 360 know,

20:34

the statement that you can indict a ham sandwich.

20:36

It's a probable cause thing. It's not beyond a

20:38

reasonable doubt. Not that you want to be dismissive

20:41

of that ultimate burden. But if you're having

20:43

trouble right now convincing a number

20:45

of grand jurors that you want to indict

20:47

a particular case and they're reluctant, that

20:49

will inform you a great deal. So remember you have

20:52

twenty three grand jurors. Say you have

20:54

the majority of twelve who wanna go forward

20:56

with something. That doesn't give you much comfort that

20:58

eleven said you don't even have probable cause.

21:00

If that's where they

21:01

are, that's a whole different ballgame. The other

21:04

consideration, Jessica, is you had this rebuttal

21:06

witness on Monday.

21:08

It's very possible that they may call somebody

21:10

else in to

21:12

to rebuttal root witness. It

21:15

is possible, and it's possible that they're

21:17

taking some time to evaluate what is the

21:19

best thoughts to that rebuttal witness that

21:21

could be one explanation. It could also

21:23

be that they are taking time to evaluate whether

21:25

they want to use the power that they

21:27

have by issuing Grand jury subpoenas to

21:29

collect any further evidence or subpoena

21:31

any further witnesses because prosecutor's hand

21:34

is strongest when using the grand

21:36

jury. You can still issue subpoenas

21:38

to appear before trial, but your hand

21:40

is strongest when you can issue grand jury subpoenas.

21:42

And so it may just be that they are taking their

21:44

time to see if there's anything else that

21:46

they want to use that power to collect before

21:49

the case proceeds to this next public

21:51

stage. What do you

21:52

think about the pressure that that

21:54

the DA is under from House Republicans?

21:57

Well, I think that it's as

22:00

the 360 said in his letter, think that the

22:02

the the the request for him to come

22:04

testify before Congress I think

22:06

was extraordinary and

22:08

inappropriate. And I was glad to see that

22:10

he issued a very strong forceful response.

22:12

Enormous, interesting. mean, they don't even

22:14

know exactly what evidence

22:16

he has or what argument

22:19

he's

22:19

making, they just outright

22:22

said, don't pursue anything. Anderson,

22:27

it's extraordinary. In my

22:30

decades of doing criminal law

22:32

and working on

22:34

congressional investigations and

22:38

as part of legal teams defending

22:41

them, I have never seen such

22:43

a blatant, nakedly political

22:45

partisan effort to

22:47

interfere with a state or

22:49

federal PROSECUTION. WHEN

22:52

WE WERE DOING THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT

22:54

OF TRUMP, BILL BARR WOULDN'T EVEN

22:56

COME TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE MUELLER

22:58

INVESTIGATION which at that point

23:01

had been closed without charges. So

23:04

I think that that

23:06

it is wrong. I was glad to see

23:10

the district attorney fired

23:12

back with that smackdown letter,

23:14

and I will say that I don't

23:16

think that is the letter of a man

23:18

who is wobbly or shaky

23:20

or blinking on bringing charges,

23:23

having practiced in New York there's

23:25

often some routine up and downs

23:27

as you're ending a grand 360, and

23:29

I think that they are moving

23:31

with all deliberate speed. I continue

23:34

to expect charges and

23:35

soon. Normaize and Laura Coats, Jessica

23:37

Roth. Thanks so much. Just ahead of the political ramifications

23:40

of the investigations as House Republicans rally

23:42

around the former president, expand their investigation

23:44

to the Manhattan District Attorney. We're

23:47

now in the battle between the Manhattan District 360

23:49

in house Republicans, the legal counsel for

23:51

the DA's office responded to Republicans'

23:53

congressional inquiry with a blistering five

23:55

page letter today as we discussed. She wrote that

23:57

the Republican inquiry into what could be

23:59

the first criminal indictment of a former president

24:02

lack to, quote, legitimate basis

24:04

for congressional inquiry. She goes

24:06

on to say that the claims the investigations politically

24:08

motivated are, quote, unfounded. Comes

24:11

after Republican Chairman of the judiciary committee,

24:13

Jim Jordan, last night, expanded its

24:15

with requests for more documents and testimony.

24:18

I'm joined now by two 360 political commentators,

24:20

John Goldberg, co founder and editor and chief the

24:22

Dispatch and Van Jones from her special bonds

24:24

to her president Obama and also by senior and

24:26

senior political analyst, Gloria Borscher.

24:29

Jonathan, how first of all, what do

24:31

you think of the Republicans efforts to

24:33

stop this

24:35

without 360 actually even knowing the details

24:38

of it. Yeah. I think it's wildly inappropriate. Right?

24:40

It it would be one thing if

24:43

The brag came out with

24:45

a really faulty preposterous legal

24:47

theory. I'm inclined to think that the legal theory

24:49

behind this is really not easy to

24:51

defend. There's

24:52

a lot of people who feel

24:53

that way. But you cannot threaten

24:56

a law enforcement officer, an officer of the court

24:59

with political retribution for something

25:01

they haven't done yet based upon rumors

25:03

in a

25:03

newspaper. It is it

25:05

it's just it 360, you can. Well, you can.

25:07

But it's it's 360 inappropriate. I do think

25:09

look, I I think the brag investigation is politically motivated.

25:11

I think this is politically motivated. This is

25:13

one of these I for and I, at least the world blind

25:15

thing. Everybody is going outside of their lanes.

25:18

Mhmm. Everyone's everyone's bad behavior is

25:20

justifying worse behavior on the other side.

25:22

And but there there's there's no

25:24

justification for what they're doing

25:26

because it is just simply an attempt at political

25:28

intimidation

25:30

based on nothing

25:33

at this point. And it's it's embarrassing.

25:36

Against law enforcement. This

25:38

is the crazy thing. The Republican Party 360 the what

25:40

we believe in law and order

25:43

unless

25:44

Federalism. And federalism. Unless

25:46

you're saying something mean about our former pro with

25:48

president. Our former pro form a president

25:50

now, all the rules go out the door.

25:53

And you're going to try to intimidate

25:55

a district attorney and insist that

25:57

politics now be a part of this

25:59

process. And so I think it's out. It's out right.

26:01

Glor, do you I mean, I

26:03

guess it's not unexpected. They did this. Conventional

26:06

wisdom not long ago was that a lot of the Republican

26:08

lawmakers were growing tired of the former president.

26:10

How do you score that with three powerful community

26:12

chairs in the 360 of the house going in the Matt

26:14

frame against Brad?

26:16

Well, of course, it's easier for them

26:18

to go against Alvin Brad than it is for them

26:20

to go against Donald Trump. And if

26:22

you listen to what they're saying, they're not saying,

26:25

oh, this is completely defamatory No

26:28

one could ever imagine this truly happening

26:31

in the real world. They're not addressing

26:33

the case itself. They are addressing

26:36

a prosecutor who may think is

26:38

incredibly political. I think it's a dangerous

26:41

road for them because when you look what

26:43

might be coming down the road, which

26:45

is the Georgia Grand 360

26:47

on trying overturn the election and

26:50

the special counsel, Jack Smith,

26:52

questions of the Mar a Lago document case

26:55

for example, what are they gonna go out

26:57

and say then? It's politically motivated

26:59

and just take Donald Trump's line on that.

27:02

They all have elections to win. There's a presidential

27:04

election coming up, and they have to look

27:07

for those voters who may be

27:09

tired of Donald Trump. Are those independent

27:11

voters? So are they gonna keep on

27:13

with this same line? I think many of them

27:16

could peel away.

27:18

360 should be surprised, John, that the former president

27:20

is fundraising off all of this. He, you

27:22

know, said they're gonna arrest me on Tuesday. His

27:24

campaign had said they raised I think one point

27:26

five million dollars as of a couple

27:29

of days ago. Does

27:31

that help him I mean, it

27:33

helps him 360 financially, but just if

27:35

his

27:35

goal, which I assume should be to expand

27:38

his base, does that help him do that? No.

27:40

I think it's a sign that he's not expanding his pace.

27:42

I think one point five million is actually shockingly low.

27:45

I think that there was a time where

27:47

if this was happen to Trump, the number would be much

27:49

much bigger. I think he is

27:52

squeezing less bits of juice about his from

27:54

his die hard small donors. And

27:57

at the same time, that's a sign that he's actually

27:59

like, he's not adding any voters to

28:01

his column with any of this. I mean, and

28:04

and so I think that this is

28:06

a this

28:08

in conjunction with what may play out in the

28:10

future, with future indictments and all this. I think it's

28:12

all contributing to an atmosphere or

28:14

an attitude towards Trump that can be boiled

28:16

down to is it's always something

28:19

with this guy. Right. Just a lot of friggin

28:21

baggage with this guy. And

28:23

so 360 for among a lot of people who like

28:26

him and really don't like his enemies, it

28:28

may be that this could reach tipping point where

28:30

the Oh, you know, DeSantis, at least is a fresh

28:32

start. It's

28:32

also interesting, you know, the former president calling for

28:34

protests, and there wasn't, you know,

28:37

a a huge

28:38

swelling in the streets in cities across the

28:40

country. Yeah. Like, not not at all.

28:42

And, you know, I felt badly because,

28:45

first of all, we got head faged.

28:47

You know, the Donald Trump says, getting

28:49

arrested on 360. Everybody protests. The other people

28:51

who believed him were reporters. So, like,

28:54

his his crowd was like, man, we're just,

28:56

you 360, we're not going to we're not going to

28:58

New York city of this guy. And so it

29:00

really is, I think, a situation where you're

29:03

right. think he's trying to

29:05

squeeze this for all its worth. 360 trying

29:07

to get 360. He's trying to get sympathy. He's

29:09

trying to get support. You do see some rise

29:11

in the polls, but, you know, it's probably

29:14

a sugar high. And at the end of the day,

29:16

he's looking down the barrel of his

29:18

own lawyer is now gonna have to

29:20

testify against

29:21

him. These what you can try to profile

29:23

because when he goes, okay, these are very, very tough

29:25

days with Donald Trump. Gloria, were you surprised

29:28

that they didn't try to appeal

29:30

the decision that Evan Cochrane had to

29:32

testify?

29:34

Well, they probably didn't have a lot

29:36

of time. And I also think they

29:38

probably knew that they were going to lose.

29:40

Given, you know, I mean, given

29:42

the fact that this ruling was so quick,

29:45

There must have been some evidence there as your legal

29:47

eagles were talking about before. So

29:50

I'm not really surprised by that. What

29:52

I What I am surprised

29:54

by is sort of the Republicans

29:57

trying to figure out how

29:59

they dance around this as Jonah was

30:01

saying before. Because right now, the

30:04

Republican race for the presidency such

30:06

as it is, is all about Donald Trump.

30:09

And they know full well what's

30:11

good for Donald Trump is not necessarily

30:14

good for the Republican 360

30:16

And I think that we have to watch

30:18

this play out over the next

30:20

days and the next coming

30:23

months because there's gonna be more

30:25

of this

30:25

stuff. And right now, no one knows how to react

30:28

to this anymore. But generally, no Republican

30:30

can say they didn't know that

30:33

this is would this was gonna happen,

30:35

not not necessarily the the the particular

30:37

case, but It's been

30:40

clear that the Donald Trump is not good for

30:42

the Republican

30:43

360 or the future of the Republican 360 certainly

30:45

for a long time.

30:46

Yeah. No. It's like this just in. Payers

30:48

are using our national forest

30:50

as toilets. I mean, this is a fairly

30:52

well known thing. At the same

30:53

time, I think

30:54

ANSYS scratched their backs on

30:56

free. It's a family family

30:58

show. I should have said that. But

31:00

look at the symptom, there is this double bind that I think

31:02

Democrats and a lot of people 360 media get into.

31:05

Wanna have both ways with all these Republicans. They

31:07

wanna say, look, they're it's a personality cult.

31:09

They're cult. They're all in for Trump and

31:12

they're all cowards for not speaking out against

31:14

them. Well, if they're cowards, that means they know

31:16

the truth and they're afraid to say it. And,

31:18

yeah, there were three committee chairs who did this stuff. They're

31:21

an enormous number of Republicans who are just

31:23

keeping their head down, including some running

31:25

for president, who just don't want to get

31:27

mud on their shoes one way or the other because

31:29

of all

31:30

Yeah.

31:30

Gonna have to. Yeah. Thanks, Gents.

31:32

Blair Borscher as well. Thanks so much. Coming up in an extraordinary

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31:37

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31:39

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31:42

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33:50

The ERS warning for Vladimir Putin issued by

33:52

the International Criminal Court last week

33:54

was the culmination of a story we've been following for

33:56

some time, accusations and evidence of

33:58

the forced deportation of thousands

34:00

of Ukrainian children. The chief prosecutor

34:02

for the ICC who brought the charges Karrum

34:05

Khan told CNN exclusively that these

34:07

children were treated like spoils of

34:09

war. It was more the Russians didn't even

34:11

try to cover up what they were doing. QUOTING

34:13

THE CHIEF PROSECUTOR AGAIN, HE SAID QUOTE

34:15

THE SIMPLE REALITY SAID THESE CRIMES

34:18

HAVE NOT BEEN HIDEN. 360 AND DAVID

34:20

Mckenzie TRAVEL CLOSE TO FRONTLINES AND

34:22

SPOTCHIE 360 who risked their lives to try

34:24

and stop, would it appear to be war crimes?

34:29

Approaching the southern front line in Khosun.

34:32

In the liberated city many have

34:34

fled, it's deceptively quiet

34:37

until the relentless terror. They

34:44

often indiscriminate, almost daily

34:47

Russian shelling. We've

34:52

come to investigate a very deliberate

34:54

horror of the Russian occupation. So

34:57

the children who stayed here were under five

34:59

years

34:59

old, mostly this orphanage had

35:01

more than forty children here.

35:05

Elena was a nurse here for seventeen years.

35:08

Not a single child is left. I

35:14

feel emptiness. Everything

35:16

has just stopped, she says. The

35:18

children had everything. They were so happy.

35:20

The children were 360. Now

35:22

it's just silence and

35:25

small reminders of them. Their

35:27

names still on each locker.

35:30

The Cassang Children's Home is

35:32

now a crime scene.

35:34

Did they? So probably They warned us to

35:36

collect their clothes, says Elena, The

35:38

Russians and collaborators called in the evening

35:41

and said to prepare the children for the morning.

35:44

The buses arrived at eight. The

35:47

heartbreaking scenes captured for

35:49

Russian propaganda shared on

35:51

a Russian m p's telegram channel,

35:53

the bewilder children taken from

35:55

their beloved nurses in October. Transported

35:59

to Russian occupied Crimea or Russia

36:01

itself, say Ukrainian investigators.

36:04

But instead of hiding this alleged

36:06

war crime, Russians advertised it.

36:09

Children will be taken to safe conditions

36:11

in Crimea, he says, I'll definitely

36:14

go and visit. Investigators

36:17

say it was part of a premeditated Russian

36:19

mission to take Ukrainian children.

36:22

They even targeted hospitals. There

36:24

was a lot of pressure by the Russians

36:27

to take these children. Won't you afraid?

36:31

It was scary. 360, very scary.

36:34

So much pressure says, Twice

36:37

a day, they demanded 360 show them lists

36:39

of the kids to take to Russia. So

36:42

Ola and her team came up with an extraordinary

36:45

deception. The head offends in the ICU.

36:47

It will be new. And they forged medical

36:50

assessments saying healthy children

36:52

were severely

36:53

sick. They even

36:55

faked an emergency 360, she

36:57

says We

36:59

understood that the Russians and collaborators would

37:01

not forgive us. She says, we knew

37:03

there would be serious retribution. 360

37:06

understood this, but they took the

37:08

risks and managed to save children.

37:10

And a critical care nurse took it a step

37:13

further 360 says she fell

37:15

in love with one of the orphan children. She

37:17

worked desperately to keep the child

37:20

off the list. How are you? Now she's

37:22

adopting Kira. Mhmm. Nice

37:24

to meet you. Steve. We met them at home.

37:27

A Ukrainian mom with her treasured

37:29

360 child. 360

37:33

is almost ready to

37:35

walk. What does she mean to you?

37:38

360 means

37:41

everything to me says, No.

37:44

I don't even know, to be honest. can't

37:47

imagine my life without 360.

37:53

This awful wall has given

37:55

her a precious gift. Yes.

37:59

So second, you know, see this David McKenzie joins

38:01

us now from Ukraine. From what you've been hearing, how

38:03

else have kids been taken out of Ukraine and

38:05

into Russia? Well,

38:08

Edison, they've 360 taken like this

38:10

in the most egregious way, but if you see

38:13

how they do it, so brazenly, openly

38:15

in front of the cameras, in buses

38:17

like this from an orphanage, the Russians didn't

38:19

seem to care. They 360 like they were

38:22

thinking they were doing the right thing. They also

38:24

took them from parents coverse them.

38:26

Sometimes parents gave them willingly to go

38:28

to Russian reeducation camp,

38:31

summer camps they called it. The president

38:33

Zelensky says they're up to fifteen

38:35

thousand children taken in those

38:37

kind of camps. In the most serious cases

38:39

like the one we reported on

38:41

there are many hundreds, perhaps thousands.

38:44

And it's these kind of cases, Anderson,

38:46

that the prosecutor is looking at

38:48

very closely. And in Kershun,

38:50

all those children who have gone They've ended

38:52

up in occupied Crimea or Russia,

38:54

some of them, already adopted

38:57

to Russian parents, given Russian

38:59

citizenship. In a way losing

39:01

the Ukrainian identity, the

39:04

360 have no idea how they

39:06

will get them back during this awful

39:08

war and even post this wall

39:10

when it ever ends. Mhmm. The prosecutor

39:13

is looking at this to arrest

39:15

Putin and his chief

39:18

adviser on these issues, whether they

39:20

ever get them to justice well that

39:22

remains to be seen.

39:23

Anderson 360, I appreciate him. Thank you. Still

39:25

to come how much prison time a Muslim clerk

39:27

is facing here in New York for recruiting

39:29

and inspiring followers to pledge allegiance

39:32

to ISIS. And includes playing

39:34

matchmaker for would be ISIS

39:36

Brides. He's the first person tried

39:38

under state terror laws passed after the SEPTEMBER

39:40

eleven, THE TAX WOULD SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT

39:42

TODAY. Reporter: IN A NEW YORK

39:44

COURT ROOM THIS AFTERNOON, A RADICAL CLEARER CONVICTED

39:47

OF RECRUDEING AND PROVIDING SUPPORT ISIS was

39:49

sentenced to eighteen years in prison. Sheikh

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Abdul al Faisal was found guilty

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of five terror related charges in 360,

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and his trial prosecutors described him as

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one of the most influential English speaking terrorists

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of our times. They said he inspired

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several convicted terrorists and even acted

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as a marriage broker for ISIS. He'll

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be the first person to be tried under New York State

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terror laws passed after the September

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eleven attacks 360 though he never set foot

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here while spreading ISIS propaganda more

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now from 360 Brinjeng Grass.

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I can give you what you want. I

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can link you to someone there. We will

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plan together. These are messages

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that 360 the fate of Sheikh Abdul al

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360, a Jamaican born radical

40:29

Muslim cleric. They have to go to the train

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camp. Learn

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how learn how to shoot

40:36

a

40:36

gun. Learn how to make IEDs. Who

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terrorism experts say is one of the most

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influential promoters of violent extremism

40:44

to date. Those promises made

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to a woman living in New York 360 who

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Faisel was helping to

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recruit. I was a single

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female trying to travel to overseas

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to the Islamic State

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territory. He was at CORPONDING WITH

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AN UNDERCOVER 360 OFFICER WHOSE

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IDENTITY REMAINS CONSEALED FOR HER

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SECURITY. SHE SPOKE TO C. N.

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Exclusively. When I found out, like,

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what this individual was involved

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in and what he had did in the past, felt

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great to be a part of this

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case. In part because of her work, PISIL

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IS NOW A CONVICTED FELIN. THE culmination

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OF YEARS LONG NYPD INVESTIGATION

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AND TWO MONTH TRIAL BY THE MATTAN DISTRICT

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ATTORNEY'S

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OFFICE. He never stepped foot in Manhattan

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and yet you guys charged

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him. I think it shows the

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reach of the office. Well, he may not have set

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foot here his

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message, his voice, and his horrific

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impact did. Faisel became

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radicalized in the early nineties. His

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career as a preacher began in London where

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he gave fiery sermons to large

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crowds.

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The way forward is not the bullet.

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The way forward is the bullet.

41:47

Eventually, posting his preaching online

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in English. The English speaking

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element enables him to reach a

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crowd of people that hadn't

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really been focused upon.

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Ultimately, achieving global influence

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Authorities have tied his teachings to notorious

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terrorists, including one of the nine eleven

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plotters. The Schumacher in two thousand

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one, the two thousand nine underwear

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bomber, and Faisel Chazade who

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planted a car bomb in Times Square in twenty

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ten. Every time they were, interviewed

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after their attack and or their

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arrest from a

42:20

plot. It seems like his name kept coming

42:22

up that they were a follow-up. Shake Pfizer.

42:24

And then it became very personal to us

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here in the city as he was

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trying to not just radicalize

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individuals, but

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facilitate their mobilization to

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join ISIS.

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So we realized that we really needed

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to do something to try and

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arrest this individual. That was in twenty

42:43

sixteen. Pfizer was living in Jamaica.

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The NYPD's intelligence bureau enlisted

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an undercover officer who gained Pfizer's

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trust through online communications.

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His lectures, he portrayed himself

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this strict, you know,

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shape. But when talking to him, everything

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was totally different. He was just

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straight, like, flirting and

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kinda like acting like

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like a non believer. Authorities say

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Faisel was a master networker. 360

43:11

ultimately connected the officer to an

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ISIS fighter in Syria.

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Give me your WhatsApp and your killer

43:17

driver, and somebody

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from us 360 contact

43:22

you. Both men offering to help her

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gain entry into ISIS controlled territory,

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violating New York State terror laws

43:29

put in place after nine eleven. The

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NYPD arrested Faisel in Jamaica

43:33

in twenty seventeen. Later

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extraditing him to New York, he's

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the his defense argued Faisel's warrants

43:41

and communications,

43:42

although, distasteful, weren't a crime.

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Whether the terror is from ISIS or domestic

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threat, IT'S TEAR AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS

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IT IN IN 360 AND ALL OF ITS

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FORMS. Reporter: IN

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A MANHATTAN COURT ROOM, THE UNDERCOVER OFFICER

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FACED FISIL FOR THE FIRST TIME.

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I was happy that he was there

43:59

because of the the amount of people

44:01

that he harmed 360 we were able to get him.

44:04

And Brendan Brass joins us now.

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Talk more about how the bureau was able to gain his

44:09

trust.

44:09

Yeah. I mean, this is an investigation that spanned

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over a year, and it's pretty fascinating. We're

44:14

talking about under recover detectives just in the

44:16

NYPD's counter terrorism and intelligence

44:18

bureau. And gaining their trust, they literally went

44:20

to different countries. I mean, there were times Faisel

44:22

was asking this undercover show me the,

44:24

you know, some landmark in Abu 360, and they

44:26

would have to go there to show him to just prove

44:28

that she was who she said she was. In fact,

44:31

of course, she was talking to his undercover. And you

44:33

kind of forget about this 360 when you're talking about

44:35

like a a local New York City police department.

44:38

I mean, this is someone the undercover detective

44:40

acting kind of like the CIA. I mean,

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had a completely separate life than

44:44

what she was showing him and

44:47

literally her family didn't even know 360 when we

44:49

did this interview. 360 went into a separate

44:51

room. Yeah. Family doesn't doesn't even know the work

44:53

that she did putting this, you know, huge

44:55

terrorist influencer behind bars. 360

44:57

would actually go into separate room just for her to

44:59

come in, go into the room to set up for the interview. 360

45:02

never met her. We don't know her name. So, I mean, these

45:04

are really unsung heroes that are doing this

45:06

work. And of course, 360 talk about larger picture.

45:08

Right? 360 this is an international terrorist case.

45:10

Of course domestic terrorism is a huge threat

45:12

now, and that's something, of course, this this

45:14

bureau is monitoring and continues

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to honor. It's so

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incredible. Thank you so much for that. Great. Yeah.

45:19

360 be right back.

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