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attacks tonight on Americans in Syria.

0:34

John Berman here in for Anderson, and it came

0:37

just hours after US retaliation

0:39

a drone strike believed to be the work of

0:41

Iranian affiliated groups, which

0:44

killed an American contractor and wounded five

0:46

service members. And now another

0:48

pair of strikes as President Biden speaks

0:51

out for the first time the situation. CNN's

0:53

Oren Lieberman is at the Pentagon for us

0:55

tonight.

0:57

what's the latest on casualties among U.S. personnel

0:59

there? John, we're looking at four

1:01

attacks in a number of different locations

1:03

against U.S. personnel in Syria over the

1:05

course of the past 36 hours or so.

1:08

The first of those attacks was a one-way

1:10

drone attack, a suicide drone attack in

1:13

northeast Syria that left one U.S.

1:15

contractor dead and six U.S.

1:17

personnel injured. Five of those are U.S. service

1:19

members there in stable condition at

1:21

this point. Then later on in the evening

1:24

there were 10 rockets fired at a green

1:26

site in central or eastern Syria.

1:28

Right about in that part, that led to no injuries. But

1:31

when the U.S. retaliated, we saw two

1:33

more attacks over the course the several A

1:35

rocket attack at nearby Kaneko Field,

1:38

again in central or Syria. That

1:40

left one U.S. service member injured in

1:42

stable condition. And another

1:44

drone attack, two of which were intercepted,

1:47

two of those drones intercepted. One got through and

1:49

damaged a facility there. John, it's been

1:51

a long time since we've seen of this

1:53

nature and how quickly these have come

1:55

in Syria. You mentioned the U.S. retaliation.

1:58

describe that in.

1:59

just the one attack at this

2:02

point, or as the U.S. talked about another

2:04

retaliation.

2:05

So far we've only seen the U.S. respond

2:07

to that first attack, the drone attack

2:09

that left a U.S. contractor dead, that

2:12

targeting facilities used by groups

2:14

with links to Iran's Islamic Revolutionary

2:17

Guard Corps. But President Joe Biden

2:19

made clear there may be more responses

2:21

as the U.S. watches this escalate. Here is Biden.

2:25

To make no mistake, the United States does

2:27

not, does not emphasize, seek

2:30

conflict with Iran, but be

2:32

prepared for us to act forcefully,

2:35

protect our people. That's exactly

2:37

what happened last night.

2:39

The commander of U.S. Central Command made the same

2:42

point that the U.S. has options and capabilities

2:44

to respond should this continue. And

2:46

John, if you look at it right now, if you look at the past

2:48

several hours, it very much is continuing.

2:51

there what some 900 US service

2:53

members in Syria. How often do they come

2:55

under attack?

2:57

Far more often than you might think. General Eric

2:59

Carilla, the commander of US central command testified

3:02

just yesterday that since the beginning of 2021, there have

3:04

been 78 attacks

3:06

carried out by Iranian proxies in the region

3:09

using either rockets or drones since the beginning of 2021

3:11

that averages out to

3:13

one attack nearly every 10 days against

3:16

US forces there. So this happens fairly

3:19

frequently. What's not frequent is

3:21

when you see you're U.S. service members injured and U.S.

3:23

contractors killed. And that's why it seems

3:25

the U.S. maybe feel forced

3:27

to respond again after those first

3:29

strikes. All right, Orrin Leirim, and keep us posted

3:32

because there seem to be developments every hour

3:34

or so here. Joining us now, seeing

3:36

a military analyst and retired Army Lieutenant General

3:38

Mark Hertling. General, let's start

3:40

with the mere fact of this

3:42

new round of strikes on

3:45

U.S. forces. What does it tell you that

3:47

U.S. troops were hit after President

3:50

Biden ordered that retaliation. You

3:52

know, John, it's fascinating because,

3:55

as I heard you say earlier this

3:57

morning, it was surprising, I think, to a lot

3:59

of your people.

3:59

listeners that there had been 78 attacks

4:02

since January of 21. That's

4:05

truthfully typical for these kind of combat

4:08

zones. Rockets and

4:10

missiles are fired arbitrarily

4:12

near U.S. bases attempting

4:14

to intimidate and harass.

4:16

They very rarely hit. But

4:19

in these cases, what you had is a drone

4:21

that was the first strike two

4:24

nights ago, and now additional

4:26

strikes that seem to have ramped up. So

4:29

you're probably going to see a tit-for-tat

4:32

between the strike that was conducted by the

4:34

two U.S. F-16s that

4:36

hit a, or excuse me, F-15s that

4:38

hit a munition storehouse and

4:40

an intel collection site in northern Syria

4:43

as part of a proportional response. And

4:46

usually what happens after that, these

4:48

Islamic militias, Iranian

4:52

militias, will come back and attempt

4:54

to harass some more. If

4:56

it's rocket and ballistic missile attacks,

4:59

most of them do not hit anywhere near

5:01

the targets. They are very poorly aimed and

5:03

not very accurate. The thing that concerns

5:05

me is the increasing use of

5:08

these militias using drone

5:10

strikes, the so-called kamikaze

5:12

or suicide drones.

5:13

That is more precise, and

5:16

they can aim them in.

5:17

Most of these bases, like RLC

5:19

and the Green Village, which Oren just talked

5:21

about, have good air defense capability

5:24

for these kind of things. But in the first case, what

5:26

occurred the other night when that

5:29

base was struck, there evidently, as

5:31

the Pentagon reported, one of the Avenger missile

5:33

systems was down for a reason,

5:35

and it could be mechanics. Warfare is not perfect.

5:38

And you bring up the same point General Wesley Clark did with me

5:40

this morning. The fact of the strikes isn't new. It's

5:42

the precision

5:43

which seems to raise the stakes here and

5:46

is worth watching. How much communication do

5:48

you think, General, occurs between

5:50

Iran and these proxy groups

5:52

believed to have carried out the strikes?

5:54

a lot. You know, and Jon, truthfully, I

5:57

have experience with this from our time

5:59

in Iraq. boundary of my

6:01

divisional headquarters was on the border

6:03

of Iran. And they were constantly

6:06

pushing things across the border into

6:08

their militia groups. Now they

6:10

have plausible deniability. This is not

6:13

being done by the Iranian government.

6:15

But it's certainly being done by people

6:17

who are supported by the Iranian government,

6:20

both with weapons and other kinds

6:22

of equipment. You can't pinpoint it, but

6:24

certainly they are connected. And

6:26

when you're talking about the fight in northern Syria

6:29

and the fight

6:29

against the Kurds, these

6:32

provincial militia or these popular

6:34

front militia groups are certainly wanting

6:36

to continue that fight against

6:38

the Kurdish forces and of course against the US.

6:40

General, what's your main takeaway from President

6:43

Biden's really two-pronged response

6:45

here on the one? He did order the retaliatory strike.

6:47

On the other hand, at the press conference,

6:50

he emphasized that he does not see conflict

6:52

with Iran,

6:53

if these attacks continue with precision,

6:56

do you think the US will have to escalate its response? There

7:00

is going to have to be a continued

7:02

proportional and escalatory response

7:04

against those using

7:06

the weapons, John. And it was interesting to

7:08

me watching General Carilla, who's a good

7:11

friend, saying he would not

7:14

implicate Iran itself

7:16

into these attacks. He

7:18

was talking about the militias. So

7:21

yeah, it's not going to be a state

7:23

versus state, even though we're going

7:25

to probably continue to demarsh and

7:27

send warning signals to Iran as

7:29

the president did today. But I certainly

7:31

believe that there will be proportional responses

7:34

against the militia forces. And those

7:36

are easy

7:36

to attack. We have had less

7:38

forces in northern Syria over

7:41

the last couple of years. I think we're

7:43

going to probably see more activity

7:45

against the militia forces

7:48

that are fighting against the Kurds. General Hartling,

7:50

if anyone understands the situation, it's you. Thanks so

7:52

much for being with us tonight.

7:54

Thanks, John. So now

7:56

the former president, he is once again

7:58

raising the specter of of violence and inciting

8:01

his followers, and he didn't even lose

8:03

an election this time. No, this time,

8:05

he was up at 1am last night attacking

8:08

a local prosecutor, calling him a degenerate

8:10

and figuratively unleashing the dogs of

8:12

war on the entire country.

8:14

What does that suggest about how he sees his situation

8:17

and the larger legal storm he's facing?

8:19

Some clues to be found in what he posted at 1

8:22

This Morning on his social network about Manhattan

8:24

DA Alvin Bragg and potential charges

8:27

in the Stormy Daniels hush money investigation.

8:29

He asks how it can happen when, quote,

8:32

it is known by all that no crime has

8:34

been committed and also known the potential

8:37

death and destruction

8:39

and such a false charge could be catastrophic

8:41

for our country. Why and

8:43

who would do such a thing? His conclusion,

8:46

only a degenerate psychopath that truly

8:48

hates the USA. Now, this

8:51

comes a day after he called Bragg an

8:53

animal and posted this photo of himself

8:55

getting ready to swing a baseball bat next to a photo

8:58

of Bragg.

8:58

And just today, Bragg's office received a package

9:01

containing white powder and a threatening note.

9:03

Now the powder, thankfully, proved to be harmless.

9:06

Certainly less toxic than some on

9:08

both sides of the aisle, say the rhetoric

9:10

is.

9:13

Well, twice impeached former president's rhetoric

9:16

is reckless, reprehensible

9:18

and irresponsible. It's dangerous.

9:22

And if he keeps it up, he's going to get

9:25

someone killed. That's

9:28

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries. His Republican

9:30

counterpart, Steve Scalise, said there

9:32

is no place in America for political violence

9:35

of any kind. But he also echoed the former

9:37

president accusing Bragg of carrying out in his

9:39

words a political vendetta. In

9:41

Jim Jordan, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, dodged

9:44

the question entirely when shown the post

9:46

by a correspondent for NBC, Chairman Jordan

9:48

told him in the correspondent's words,

9:50

he can't read well without his glasses. Well,

9:53

the former president apparently can, though, especially,

9:55

it seems, the tea leaves because the Manhattan

9:57

case is only one of many and they all

9:59

seem to be coming to a head, especially

10:02

this week, the federal documents investigation,

10:05

with his defense attorney Evan Corcoran back

10:07

before a federal grand jury today without

10:09

attorney-client privilege to shield him from potentially

10:12

damaging questions. There's that, and

10:14

now a ruling that all of these former

10:16

close aides cannot use executive privilege

10:19

to avoid testimony before the January

10:21

6th grand jury. Put it all together, and there's

10:23

plenty to keep anyone up at night.

10:26

And tomorrow, the former president has

10:28

a campaign rally in Waco, Texas. As

10:30

we approach the 30th anniversary of this, the

10:32

FBI raid on the Branch Davidian compound,

10:35

a time and place, an incident that

10:37

has become a touchstone for violent anti-government

10:39

groups and individuals. And

10:41

though the Trump campaign says it is a coincidence,

10:43

the

10:43

Houston Chronicle today called the choice of location

10:46

not just a dog whistle, but a, quote, blaring

10:48

air horn of a Mac 18 wheeler,

10:51

end quote,

10:52

to extremists. now

10:55

someone who saw a Trump incited mob up close

10:57

on January 6th, former Republican congressman

10:59

and senior political commentator for CNN, Adam

11:01

Kinzinger.

11:02

Also CNN senior law enforcement analyst and

11:04

former deputy FBI director Andrew

11:06

McCabe and CNN chief correspondent, Caitlin

11:09

Collins. Caitlin, let me start with you. How are the former

11:11

president's death and destruction

11:13

comments being viewed inside

11:15

the Trump camp? Because just days ago,

11:18

his allies and advisors were privately urging

11:20

him to tone down the rhetoric.

11:22

Yeah, they obviously didn't even want him to call

11:24

for protest, really, in this situation.

11:27

You saw people like Speaker Kevin McCarthy

11:29

later saying that Trump wasn't calling for protest,

11:31

even though he very explicitly did so

11:33

on his own website, Truth Social. And

11:36

so this is definitely an escalation, saying

11:38

that there could potentially be death or destruction

11:40

if he is indicted, as we know

11:43

is pretty widely expected at this point,

11:45

even though it's the timing of that that's unclear.

11:47

And so this is certainly a cause for

11:49

concern. I mean it's been over a week now that

11:52

I've been hearing from his allies who were

11:54

saying they did not want to see anything that anywhere

11:56

close resembled a January 6th playing

11:58

out on the streets of Manhattan because it was a major

12:01

concern of theirs given how damaging it's been

12:04

for the former president. And so this just

12:06

shows though I think that also his post, you know,

12:08

almost a week ago now when he said he was going to be arrested

12:11

on Tuesday, which obviously was not borne out

12:13

and there was no indication that that was actually ever anything

12:16

that was conveyed to his campaign or

12:18

to his world, that

12:20

just shows that he is allowing it to

12:22

build. He is calling for protest. He's even

12:24

kind of mocking Republicans who are saying that protest

12:27

should be peaceful. saying they're trying to destroy

12:29

our country

12:29

and people are calling for these, you know, peaceful

12:32

protests in the wake of that. So Andrew, how

12:34

much does this inflammatory rhetoric heighten

12:36

the tension and security concerns of what may

12:39

be a possible indictment next week? Well,

12:43

it should absolutely have heightened the security

12:45

concerns of professionals who are involved in protecting

12:47

not just New York City, but also Washington,

12:49

D.C. and any place else around

12:52

this country where extremist supporters

12:54

of the former president might gather. I

12:56

mean, look, what we're seeing here is

13:00

predictable, and it shouldn't

13:02

surprise anyone. He is a one-note

13:05

orchestra. Donald

13:07

Trump appeals to the lowest common

13:09

denominator, the most baser, violent

13:12

instincts of his most extreme supporters.

13:15

He did it on January 6th. He summoned

13:17

that mob to D.C. to try to obstruct

13:21

the peaceful transfer of power, and

13:23

he's doing it now to try to get himself out

13:25

of trouble. And to be clear, he is in

13:27

a lot of trouble.

13:29

We all watched this morning while

13:31

his attorney in the documents

13:34

investigation entered the grand jury

13:36

to testify against him. I mean,

13:38

that is an unprecedented thing that

13:40

we're seeing. And Evan Corcoran

13:43

is in a position to provide

13:44

unbelievably damaging testimony

13:47

against him, presumably that happened today. And

13:49

now eight of his closest

13:51

advisors have been told they cannot rely

13:54

on executive privilege and they must appear as well.

13:56

So it's

13:57

a very, very bad week for Trump.

14:00

And predictably, he goes

14:02

low and is resorting

14:05

to the one thing that he does better than anyone, and that's appealing

14:07

to people's violent tendencies. Congressman

14:10

Kinzinger, knowing everything you know about the lead-up to January

14:12

6th, you were on the January 6th committee,

14:15

how concerning are these comments to you? And

14:17

what does it say that Chairman Jim

14:19

Jordan and Speaker McCarthy aren't even addressing

14:21

it?

14:22

So I'm concerned, not necessarily

14:25

about what happens in the next week or two weeks.

14:28

It's all this stuff radicalizes

14:30

people over time. And people may

14:33

continue to grow more thinking about violence

14:35

and eventually going to violence. And it takes a

14:37

spark that so far we still think, you

14:39

know, Trump, he'd never say like, hey,

14:41

come and use violence on my behalf, but

14:43

he easily could. And he's putting in people's minds

14:46

to use violence. I gotta tell you, John, the thing

14:48

that bothers me the most, we could

14:50

talk about this whole, it's the silence,

14:53

the silence of my colleagues, my former

14:55

colleagues. You know, every Republican

14:58

who holds elected office has got

15:01

to speak up. I don't even care if you, you don't have

15:03

to do it on national TV. Put out a statement

15:05

that says there is the whole

15:07

purpose, by the way, of politics is to

15:10

prevent violence. That's why politics

15:12

was created. The utter silence

15:14

is so weak

15:16

by my party that I just, to me,

15:18

that's what I can't believe, even more than what

15:20

Donald Trump puts out on Truth Social. All

15:23

right, the three of you, if you will, please stick

15:25

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15:27

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15:29

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Talking to you tonight about the many legal troubles facing the

16:59

former president and his extreme rhetoric in

17:01

the face of it, back now with our panel,

17:03

Caitlin Collins, you know, as Andrew McCain mentioned

17:05

earlier, Trump's attorney Evan Corcoran appeared

17:07

before the grand jury in the DOJ Mar-a-Lago

17:09

investigation. And separately, several

17:11

Trump aides, including Chief of Staff Mark Meadows,

17:14

former Chief of Staff, have also been ordered to testify

17:16

in the January 6th case. So is

17:18

it clear, Caitlin, how all of this is being seen

17:20

and viewed by the former president?

17:23

I mean, clearly there's a lot going on.

17:26

And he just commented on this a few moments ago,

17:28

both Evan Corcoran going and testifying

17:30

today without being able to cite attorney-client

17:32

privilege to not answer certain questions, and

17:35

also the fact that Mark Meadows, his former

17:37

Chief of Staff and all these other aides with

17:39

varying levels of closeness to him will

17:41

also have to testify without being able to rely,

17:44

citing executive privilege, to block their testimony

17:47

in the respective January 6 case. And

17:49

so it is notable. I think Evan Corcoran,

17:52

though, has been probably the highest on the

17:53

radar for a lot of those in the former president's

17:55

inner circle because he was going to testify

17:58

today. He was there for about three.

17:59

hours our camera saw him going in and

18:02

then leaving. And obviously there were major

18:04

questions that we know that they wanted to talk to him about

18:06

regarding his conversations with Trump on

18:09

what happened as they were searching for these classified

18:11

documents. As of course when the FBI

18:13

showed up at Mar-a-Lago in June before

18:16

that search warrant was executed, Evan

18:18

Corcoran played a role in drafting that statement

18:20

about the search of classified documents. He

18:22

was the one who was on the receiving end of those subpoenas

18:25

that they got and was dealing with the Justice Department

18:27

in that regard. So I think they have major

18:29

questions on that front when it comes

18:31

to this. But then when you step back and look at

18:34

it, yes, you're right. The broader context of

18:36

all the level investigations into him. He's

18:38

the most vocal right now on what's happening in Manhattan.

18:41

But as you've heard from legal experts, they believe

18:43

potentially the documents now with Evan Corker and

18:45

testifying January 6 in Georgia or other

18:48

major ones that are all, you know, if they're

18:50

not high on the radar, they certainly should be.

18:52

You know, Andrew McKay, you

18:54

know, you mentioned this been a very bad week for Trump,

18:56

largely because of the Evan Corcoran testimony. Does

18:59

it seem like the pace of the special counsel investigation,

19:02

documents and January 6th is quickening

19:04

because his team is really notching some court victories

19:07

here?

19:08

It does, John, and particularly on the document

19:11

side. So if we think about everything

19:13

we learned from the affidavit

19:16

supporting the search warrant last summer and

19:19

then what's taken place largely in sealed

19:22

court hearings over the last couple of months,

19:24

What we learned in this effort to pierce the

19:26

attorney-client privilege between Trump and

19:29

Evan Corcoran is, according to

19:31

Judge Howell, the Department

19:33

of Justice presented enough evidence to

19:35

convince her that Donald Trump had

19:37

actually committed

19:38

a crime or attempted to conceal a crime

19:41

in his interactions with his attorney, Evan

19:43

Corcoran. So having made that

19:45

sort of an evidentiary presentation

19:48

to a district court judge

19:50

and And having had her decision approved

19:53

by the circuit court, it

19:55

is almost impossible to to imagine

19:58

that Jack Smith's team will... not

20:00

indict Donald Trump, at least on

20:02

the documents case. They've already presented

20:04

compelling evidence in the course of this motion

20:07

hearing. So we're definitely past,

20:10

I think, a critical stage in that investigation.

20:13

Now with the new folks, those

20:15

eight close advisors whose

20:18

claims of executive privilege have been wiped aside,

20:21

at least by the trial court level,

20:24

the January 6th investigation is ready

20:26

to get a surge of adrenaline as well.

20:29

Well,

20:29

let's talk about that investigation. Let's

20:31

talk about one of those potential witnesses.

20:34

Congressman Kinzinger, if anyone knows Mark Meadows, it's you. You serve

20:36

with him. And then he became White House Chief of

20:38

Staff. He infamously did testify before

20:40

your House committee, the January 6th

20:42

committee. How significant do you think

20:45

his testimony

20:46

would be? Oh,

20:49

it'll be very significant. I mean, I

20:51

consider him like the MVP

20:53

of the January 6th House investigation because

20:56

initially he turned over quite a few text

20:58

messages before he became totally

21:01

uncooperative.

21:02

Those text messages, those

21:04

were some of the things that opened up a lot of the leads

21:06

we were able to chase to get to the compelling information

21:09

we got. Mark Meadows knows

21:12

a lot. He knew a lot. And I got

21:14

to tell you, with all these Dan Scavino

21:16

and some of these others that have resisted

21:18

coming in and testifying to the January 6th committee,

21:21

know a lot more.

21:23

And keep in mind, I think our committee put

21:25

forward a pretty compelling case in the first

21:28

place. Now you layer onto that these

21:30

folks that didn't cooperate, that will cooperate

21:33

because DOJ has a much better ability to force

21:35

that. If I'm the former president,

21:38

I'm going to be nervous because those excuses

21:40

and those lies and frankly, those misperceptions

21:42

he made, those are going to come tumbling down. You

21:45

know, you called Mark Meadows the MVP. Remember,

21:47

he didn't even testify to the committee just the documents.

21:49

I suppose the question is, will he pull Frank Thomas

21:51

and be back to back MVPs with the January

21:54

investigation.

21:55

Adam Kinzinger, Andrew McCabe, Caitlin Collins, thanks

21:57

to all of of you. Happy weekend.

22:00

Next, how the former president's Florida neighbors see

22:02

this story and the man next door, and

22:04

the legal slippery slope that is the

22:07

lawsuit and countersuit over

22:09

a ski collision with Gwyneth Paltrow.

22:16

Before president making outlandish statements

22:18

online, nothing new. What could be different

22:20

this time though is how much tolerance

22:22

there still is for it.

22:24

Our Randi Kay spent today talking to people who can

22:26

legitimately call him a neighbor. She

22:28

joins us now, Randy. What'd you find? Well,

22:32

John, we went to Palm Beach Island where Mar-a-Lago

22:35

is, so it's essentially Donald Trump's backyard. And

22:37

we spoke with voters about how they feel about

22:39

this possibility of the former president being indicted,

22:41

and also about some of his language that he's been using

22:44

on social media. Here's what one

22:46

Republican woman who voted for Donald Trump

22:48

told me.

22:51

What do you think about the rhetoric and the language he's

22:53

using? Um, like

22:57

I said, it's harsh. Yeah.

22:59

Is it irresponsible? Very.

23:02

Do you think Donald Trump is getting railroaded? Um,

23:06

no, I don't think so. Do

23:08

you think it's a fair investigation? I think so.

23:13

Now, she did vote for Donald Trump, but

23:15

she also told me that if Ron DeSantis,

23:17

Florida's governor, jumps into the race in 2024,

23:20

that she would be voting for Ron DeSantis.

23:22

He also spoke to one man named Herbert, who

23:25

also voted for Donald Trump. And here's what he

23:27

had to say.

23:30

I think it's horrible. It doesn't

23:32

destruction. I think he's got a big mouth. He

23:34

should keep his big mouth shut.

23:36

Do you think he's being railroaded in New York? Or

23:38

do you think it's a fair investigation of the hush money

23:40

payments? I think he's being railroaded. Yeah,

23:43

I really do. Why is that?

23:46

It's all political. I mean, what

23:48

happened there, it happens all the time.

23:51

I mean, not only to him, to other. Celebrities

23:54

and so forth.

23:58

Now remember, John, he voted.

23:59

for Donald Trump, but he told me that if it ends

24:02

up being Biden against Trump again

24:04

in 2024, he would strongly

24:06

consider voting for Joe Biden, which I thought

24:08

was very interesting. We also spoke to a Republican couple

24:11

who supported Donald Trump in the past. They are still

24:14

supporting Donald Trump, but they are tiring of

24:16

his rhetoric. Listen.

24:18

What

24:18

do you think about that sort of language being

24:21

used? Well,

24:23

I think it's not language that should be

24:25

used by a former president, but I

24:28

also think he's got the raw deal with

24:30

everything that he's being charged. You

24:32

know, and I think that it's basically

24:35

politically motivated. But

24:37

if he learned how to say things, you know,

24:40

with a lesser tone, I

24:42

think would be better off for him.

24:47

That's really interesting to hear, Randy.

24:49

And those were all largely Republicans. Have

24:51

you speak to any Democrats?

24:54

We spoke to a handful of Democrats, John,

24:56

and they pretty much all gave us the same

24:58

sentiment. They certainly are frustrated

25:01

with the former president. They feel he's continuing

25:03

to divide this country. Here is

25:05

what one Democrat told

25:07

me, and it really does sum up what the others told

25:09

us.

25:11

I don't think that Mr. Trump really

25:13

has a grasp on reality in

25:16

terms of the big picture of the health of the country

25:18

and I don't feel that anything he's

25:20

saying is helping bring us together. I

25:23

don't think that calling for people

25:25

to defend him and all that kind

25:27

of stuff is helping heal the wounds of the

25:29

last six, eight years, which

25:32

this country desperately needs to do to go forward.

25:36

And it is worth noting, John, that the Democrats

25:39

and Republicans that we spoke with do agree on

25:41

one thing. They all believe that Republican leadership

25:43

should step in and tell Donald Trump to tamp

25:46

down some of that rhetoric.

25:47

John. All right. All very

25:49

interesting. Randy Kay, thank you very much. Perspective

25:52

now from CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist

25:54

Paul Bagalla. And a bit to his right from

25:57

CNN political commentator Jonah Goldberg, co-founder and editor

25:59

of the

25:59

and chief of the dispatch. You know, Joe,

26:02

it's interesting, because Randi also told us that

26:04

she talked to a lot of people who just didn't want to talk about

26:06

Trump. They were just sick of him. So you have,

26:09

you know, for a guy who craves attention, people who

26:11

don't even want to think about him right now, combined

26:13

with those Republicans who seemed a little sick

26:15

of him.

26:16

How much do you think that hurts Donald Trump?

26:20

It's sort of impossible to tell. I do think over the

26:22

long haul there is this building thing

26:24

of, it's always something with this

26:27

guy. Like you heard some of these people saying that they're

26:29

sympathetic and they think he's being railroaded.

26:32

But look, I mean, like you can think somebody in

26:34

the NFL was badly treated

26:36

or like in the NBA was fouled and

26:38

they got injured.

26:40

If they're injured, you don't want them

26:42

starting in the next game. Similarly,

26:44

Donald Trump is really damaged goods at this point.

26:46

And I think there are a lot of Republicans who like him who

26:49

think, look, he's just not the winnable

26:51

candidate. And some of this

26:53

stuff is dragging, we now know from 2022 that

26:56

he's dragging down other Republicans. Enough

26:58

is enough,

26:59

I just don't know if you're actually going to get enough of

27:01

people to think that in time for it to matter in the primaries.

27:04

It remains to be seen. Look, it's a small sample size, but

27:06

it did sound like there was fatigue in

27:08

some of those Trump supporters' voices

27:10

there. Paul, look, Donald Trump

27:13

lashing out like he is, these 1 a.m.

27:15

statements on Stilson Media seeming to incite violence

27:17

or call for it, perhaps. What

27:20

does it say to you that that's how he's reacting

27:23

to what is widely seen as a

27:25

less serious case here in Manhattan?

27:27

What does it tell you about how we might react

27:29

to the more serious cases in Georgia

27:32

and the federal investigation? That's

27:35

a really good point. One of my old mentors

27:37

and friends, the late Zell Miller of Governor Georgia, used

27:40

to say, a hit dog will holler.

27:42

Well, if he's this upset and

27:44

this worried in threatening violence, which is way across

27:46

the line, about a case that even

27:48

a lot of Democrats think, gee, I don't know if they ought to bring

27:50

it,

27:51

wait until, I just heard Andy McCabe

27:54

talking about the evidence that that the feds are gathering

27:57

in the classified documents case. wait until it...

27:59

A potential case around incitement of insurrection

28:02

on January 6th, wait until perhaps

28:05

the 10 or so instances

28:07

of obstruction of justice that the Mueller report cites,

28:10

wait until Fonny Willis, the DA

28:12

in Fulton County in Georgia,

28:14

potentially brings a case. Those are much, much

28:17

more serious. But if he's

28:19

starting now with what for

28:21

him should be actually the easiest case, and

28:24

he's resorting to threats of violence,

28:26

God only knows where he's gonna go next. You

28:29

know, Jonah, Adam Kinziger earlier expressed

28:32

dismay

28:33

that Republican members of Congress largely

28:36

still aren't speaking out against the violence. He

28:38

seemed to think they were scared to speak out.

28:41

But how much for risk do

28:43

you really think there is now in

28:45

speaking out, particularly if some of these Trump supporters

28:47

we heard in Randy's piece right there are

28:50

so exhausted with Trump? Yeah,

28:53

look, I mean, this is a bind that Republicans

28:55

have been in for a very, very long

28:57

time. This is a very Groundhog Day kind of question.

29:00

No offense to the question, but we've seen this

29:02

for seven years now, and there's just

29:04

essentially a calculation. You catch

29:07

a lot more grief if you say anything than if

29:09

you just keep your head down. I think

29:11

it's shameful.

29:13

And look, I mean, on the violence thing, I just think it's really

29:15

worth pointing out. Let's credit

29:17

Trump's defenders and Trump himself and say

29:19

that he was absolutely right when he says

29:22

he didn't mean to incite violence on January

29:24

6th. That was not his intent.

29:26

would think, given what

29:28

happened on January 6th, you'd

29:31

be extra careful not to do

29:33

it again. And yet he's going completely

29:36

other way. He knows what he's doing.

29:38

It is wicked and

29:39

it is profoundly dangerous. And

29:41

like I, the man on the street interviews are interesting,

29:44

but they all say, oh, Republicans should intervene. Every

29:46

Republican who's ever intervened with him has gotten their head handed

29:48

to them going back to Jeff Flake. So I'm not sure it's,

29:51

it's a strategy that a lot of Republicans want to follow. You

29:53

know, Paul, we've got about 30 seconds left. I do

29:56

understand the groundhog nature of it. My question is, has

29:58

something changed? Now is there.

29:59

now a fatigue. You have

30:01

advised almost only

30:04

Democratic candidates, Zell Miller, ultimately aside

30:06

arguably at the end there. But what

30:08

would you advise someone like Ron DeSantis?

30:11

Hit him. Hit him as hard as you can. Beat

30:14

him. If you want to beat Trump, you have to beat

30:17

Trump. And I think Jonas Wright, in the past,

30:19

people who've taken on Trump have suffered. He has

30:21

crossed a line with this violence. By the way, set

30:23

aside politics, there's a moral imperative here.

30:25

There's social science research on this. There's

30:28

this political scientist at Johns Hopkins,

30:30

Lillian Mason, who studied political

30:33

violence. And she found when you introduce

30:35

a statement from a leader to

30:37

people who might be inclined toward violence, it has

30:40

significant effect

30:41

on diminishing the violence. So this

30:44

is really important. The political violence

30:46

in this country is on the rise. Republicans have

30:48

got to speak out about this or someone's going to get

30:50

hurt. And I think it's going to help them politically if

30:52

they do. Paul McGowan, Jonah Goldberg, our thanks

30:54

to both of you. Have a great weekend.

30:56

Thank you. So a problem

30:59

that might shock you by its very existence

31:01

in this country, places where clean drinking

31:03

water is unavailable.

31:27

grateful and honored. Listen

31:29

to Who's Talking to Chris Wallace on Apple

31:32

Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio,

31:35

or your favorite podcast app.

31:46

According

31:48

to the World Economic Forum, around 2.2 million

31:51

Americans are without running water or basic

31:53

indoor plumbing, and more than 44 million

31:55

have inadequate water systems. almost

31:58

unimaginable.

31:59

But it's not, as seen at Sarah Savender

32:02

find out in McDowell County, West

32:04

Virginia.

32:09

Inside this dilapidated building, where

32:11

the roof is always threatening to cave in, sits

32:14

one precious item. What in

32:16

the heck is this? That is

32:18

an old turbine

32:21

pump. That decade-old

32:23

pump is the only source of reliable

32:26

clean water for about 300 residents. It's

32:29

the only pump left that sends water

32:31

through the pipes into their homes. Randy

32:33

Whittaker does his best to help maintain

32:35

it. If you look at the facility,

32:36

you'd think, no. You'd

32:39

think, no, I'm not drinking any of that. Right. But

32:42

it meets all regulatory standards. We

32:46

were there when the head of the Environmental Protection

32:48

Agency got a tour of the place in December.

32:51

Michael Regan's first initiative is to bring

32:53

reliable, clean water to historically

32:55

neglected communities across America.

32:58

I walked into a building that's leaking, that

33:01

has ancient technology and people's

33:03

livelihoods are dependent

33:05

upon this antiquated system. This

33:08

is not what we should be having

33:10

in this country.

33:11

The residents serviced by this pump actually

33:14

have it good compared to thousands

33:16

of others in the county gathering rain

33:18

or creek water. What is one thing you

33:20

don't

33:21

have in this house? We don't have water.

33:22

We don't have water. Sonny Barton

33:25

has lived on this remote ridge for 40 years. He

33:28

says their mountain community was promised

33:30

pipe water when he first got here, but

33:32

it never happened. So he hauls

33:35

water himself.

33:35

I'm pumping all my truck with

33:38

out of the creek. Yeah, just straight out

33:40

of the creek. Yeah, straight out of

33:42

the creek. You go fill those up, build it

33:45

up the creek, OK? And I drop it off

33:46

here down in the valley. I

33:48

put my ship lap up over top of my

33:50

cabinets. I painted my cabinets. Tammy

33:53

Bailey put some serious sweat equity into

33:55

her home, so one day I come home

33:57

and

33:58

I turned my tap

34:00

on not this faster of course and when

34:02

I turn my cap on this

34:04

is what I got

34:06

this was my water okay

34:08

that you can't

34:10

even see through that what it's now like nasty

34:14

rotten eggs what's worse when

34:16

Bailey had her water tested she says 14 contaminants

34:20

were found you couldn't even flush

34:23

a toilet no kicking and

34:26

none of the 1,200 or so homes

34:28

in her part of McDowell County are hooked

34:30

up to a reliable water source. We're

34:33

supposed to be the best country

34:35

in the world. The richest. The richest country

34:38

in the world.

34:41

Some 100 years ago, some residents

34:43

here were among the richest people

34:45

in the United States by mining

34:47

coal. We know that

34:49

historically these coal companies

34:52

and other extractive industries were the ones who

34:54

paid for operated and generations

35:07

of families r

35:09

of itself. My grandmother her.

35:13

She didn't have runn 70. She

35:16

didn't have runni Yes,

35:18

ma'am.

35:18

What Eddie Ge all

35:21

over McDowell County get water piped

35:24

to their homes. People, they have trucks just

35:26

solely devoted to carrying

35:28

water, hauling water from, you know, spring. He

35:31

works for a nonprofit organization

35:33

called Dig Deep. Tammy Bailey

35:36

says she would still be living without

35:38

clean water if it weren't for Eddie and

35:40

Dig Deep. I'm a single woman

35:43

wanting home, so I went knocking

35:45

on the doors of Dig Deep. And

35:47

fortunately, they answered. The cost to

35:49

fix everything that went wrong would have cost

35:51

her 10,000 bucks. Statistically,

35:54

that's about a third of the year's wages

35:57

for most

35:59

George points out the problem. Isn't

36:02

just about how people get water, but what's

36:04

in it?

36:04

These are

36:07

what we call straight piping. It's dumping

36:09

raw sewage into the stream. This

36:11

lovely stream runs right through

36:13

Tammy Bailey's neighborhood, but every

36:16

house we see has a straight pipe. Straight

36:18

into it. The people we heard from here

36:20

desperately want to be hooked

36:22

up to a water system, but have little

36:24

hope it will happen anytime soon. In an area

36:26

like this year, I think 13 to 14

36:29

miles away from any main water

36:31

source. But Eddie

36:32

George does see a trickle of hope because

36:34

for the first time ever, the head of the EPA

36:37

came to McDowell County and pledged to help fix

36:39

what has been broken for far

36:41

too long. If you come down some

36:43

of these places, you would think you was in a third world country.

36:46

Nobody should have to live like this.

36:48

Nobody should have

36:50

to live like that. When you see what these folks go

36:52

through every day just to get water into their

36:54

homes, It makes you angry,

36:57

but they have said to me things like, so

36:59

we can get people to the moon, we can send a rover to Mars,

37:01

but we can't get water to our homes.

37:03

We can't have city pipes. There

37:05

is a funding issue, of course. But

37:07

I think a lot of people see this and think, oh, well, that's

37:10

part of being in rural America. No, no, the

37:12

cities also have major issues.

37:15

We just saw what happened in the capital

37:17

of Mississippi, Jackson. We all

37:19

know what happened in Flint. The infrastructure

37:22

in our country is problematic. and

37:24

you couple that with climate change and

37:26

this is gonna get worse according to every expert

37:29

we spoke with. No one should be having this problem. Not

37:31

in America. My soon to be co-anchor Sarah Siner,

37:34

great to have you here. Thank you John. All

37:36

right, Gwyneth Paltrow takes the stand and believe

37:38

it or not, it's topic eight tonight

37:40

for numbers guru, Harry Enn.

37:44

["The Star-Spangled Banner"]

37:45

Actress

37:47

Gwyneth Paltrow took the stand today in a civil

37:49

trial over a 2016 ski accident in

37:51

Park City, Utah. A retired optometrist

37:54

says she skied right into him and is

37:56

suing for about $300,000, alleging

37:59

he suffered four

37:59

broken ribs and brain damage. Now, Paltrow

38:02

says he skied into her

38:04

and is countersuing.

38:06

I was skiing and two skis came

38:09

between my skis, forcing

38:11

my legs apart, and then there was

38:13

a body pressing against me, and

38:15

there was a very strange grunting

38:18

noise. So my brain was

38:20

trying to make sense of what was happening. I

38:22

thought, is

38:25

this a practical joke? Is someone

38:27

doing something perverted? This is really,

38:29

really strange. My mind was going very, very

38:32

quickly, and I was trying to ascertain what was

38:34

happening.

38:35

Right. CNN's Harry Enten joins us.

38:38

Now, Harry, look, there's a lot going on in this

38:40

trial, and the testimony back and forth is interesting.

38:42

But there's also some other interest in just sort

38:44

of the numbers surrounding it. Yeah, that's right. I mean, look,

38:47

for Gwyneth Paltrow, this is not about money.

38:49

This is about her reputation, right? Because her

38:51

group company is worth well over $200 million. The

38:56

suit is for only $300,000. Now

38:58

she's countersuing, but it's just for a dollar

39:00

and attorney's fee. So this is more about her reputation.

39:03

She wants to clear her name. And so

39:05

we'll see if she's ultimately able to do that.

39:07

How much attention

39:09

is this case getting? It's televised. You

39:11

get the sense that people are interested. People are

39:13

really interested. So I contacted Google and

39:15

I found out that this was the day that has had the

39:17

most searches for Gwyneth Paltrow in

39:20

nine years, nine years.

39:23

Her Google searches today are the third highest since

39:25

Google has been tracking it back in 2004. So

39:28

people are really interested in this case. They were interested

39:31

in seeing Gwyneth Paltrow take the stand. And

39:33

again, this is about her reputation.

39:36

So we'll see if the people who are so interested in it

39:38

view her differently, better or for

39:40

worse, based upon her testimony. You know, when I introduced

39:42

her and we talked about her, I say actress Gwyneth Paltrow,

39:45

but truth is she's more of a business person

39:47

now than an actress. I listened to an interview with her

39:49

over a year ago. She says, yeah, it's been a long time

39:51

since I was the

39:53

major name in a film. Yeah, I

39:56

went back and I looked, and the last time she

39:58

received top billing, The top.

39:59

filling in a film was 13 years ago. 13 years

40:04

ago for a film that I honestly had never

40:06

heard of. You can see on the screen country strong.

40:08

I believe she- Apparently not so strong. Apparently not

40:11

so strong. I was told the movie wasn't particularly

40:13

good, but I also know that she performed

40:15

at the Country Music Awards, and that was in fact

40:18

the last time a performance of hers was

40:20

something that was searched in the top five searches for

40:22

Gwyneth Paltrow's name. As you mentioned, she's really

40:24

just not known for her performances anymore. She's

40:26

perhaps now known more about this trial, which

40:29

again is part of the reason

40:29

why she's so eager to clear her

40:32

name. Very interesting. Harriet, and great to see you. Thank you very

40:34

much. Thank you, sir. Just ahead, a sneak

40:36

peek at the premiere of a new CNN series

40:38

guaranteed to leave you hungry. Eva

40:41

Longoria, Searching for Mexico.

40:45

Sunday night,

40:48

CNN premieres an exciting new original series.

40:50

Searching for Mexico was hosted by actress,

40:52

producer, and director, Eva Longoria.

40:55

Anderson spoke with her about it. What

40:59

made you decide, I mean, you're incredibly busy, what

41:01

made you want to do this? Well, Stanley Tucci

41:03

called me. You know, Searching for Italy was such

41:05

a success for CNN and for the

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world. We all, you know, I think we drove

41:09

everybody to Italy to visit all the places he ate

41:12

at. And he called and he said, we want

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to do a spin-off of the Searching for series.

41:17

He knew I was, you know, a big foodie,

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I'm a big cook, I'm not a chef, I'm a cook, and

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I'm Mexican-American. You know, and him being

41:25

Italian-American, and so tied to

41:27

his Italian roots, he knew I was tied

41:29

to my Mexican roots, and he thought it would be a good idea.

41:32

And once we dove into it,

41:34

I was like, yes, I mean, yes,

41:37

because Mexico's a jewel of

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culinary cuisine. Incredible cuisine.

41:41

You were born in Texas, but

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have strong Mexican roots. So where,

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the first episode we're gonna see is Mexico City,

41:50

which is, I mean, obviously-

41:51

Well, and I live there now. I live in Mexico. I

41:53

know that. Yeah, with my husband. I mean, Amexo

41:55

City is one of the greatest cities in the world. Yes. It's

41:58

incredible. Incredible. economically

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incredible it's like one of the the biggest

42:02

food destinations in the world today. What

42:05

what is it about for this somebody hasn't been in Mexico City,

42:08

what is. Well Mexico City is way

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more advanced in a lot of cities here in the United States.

42:14

Culturally it's just it's

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it's so stunning and obviously food plays a big

42:18

part of that but I think

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the Mexican identity is so

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rooted in tacos and tequila

42:24

you know that we all think Mexico's only

42:27

tacos tequila tacos to kill which which they do very

42:29

well, and I love, like don't get me wrong,

42:31

but it's so much more. And I think Mexico

42:33

City is a microcosm of that diversity.

42:36

It has everything. Mexico City

42:38

has great seafood, and it

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has great decolonized food. It

42:43

has great meats. It has

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everything.

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And the art scene there is incredible.

42:48

The museums there are great. It's just such

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a joy to be in that city.

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It is a beautiful city. I fantasize about

42:54

living in Mexico City. You do, you should come.

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Come and visit us. We'll

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take you on my food tour. I love the Frida Kahlo

43:02

house. I love the pyramids. So

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many varieties of corn, red, blue, black,

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purple. They're beautiful colors. And

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they're all the species are dying because

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the only corn that globalization

43:13

wants is white corn. And so the farmers don't really have

43:15

a reason to plant the other species. And so

43:18

there's a bit of a crisis there. But it's beautiful when you

43:20

see it in the Oaxaca episode, just

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all the variety of colors and the

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beauty of what the farmers can

43:27

create. And then also there was a woman, a mezcal

43:31

maker,

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and they

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call her labruja, which is the witch, because she makes

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the best mezcal and they think that she's using

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some sort of witchcraft.