4:00

I showed up at 8 and I showed up

4:02

at 8 but it was really not, I don't know. I don't remember how I

4:04

fucked it up. Someone got it wrong at your

4:06

wedding. Somebody got it wrong. She was being a witch. I don't

4:08

know if you know that. No. Someone

4:10

showed up an hour late. Really?

4:12

Yeah. Like, can I say it?

4:15

I don't care. It was like the

4:17

ceremony had finished and everyone was kind of like mingling

4:19

around. You know, there's like the area over there where

4:21

the ceremony was and then over on the side by

4:23

the dance floor. So like it was crowded over by

4:25

where the ceremony was. So Esther and I kind of

4:27

moved out to the dance floor and we saw Michael

4:29

and Lindsay walking up. And Michael

4:31

was like very sheepishly like, I

4:34

got the time wrong. I

4:36

forgot what time your

4:40

wedding actually was but I thought it was 7

4:42

but it was actually He's

4:44

like, we just realized it on the car on the way here.

4:49

I had no idea. That's fucking awesome. They

4:52

both seemed really sheepishly. They

4:55

were trying to sneak in and I just happened to be

4:57

standing right there as they walked in

5:00

the entrance. So fucking Michael and Lindsay too.

5:03

Man, that's perfect. That's

5:05

awesome. That's great. So yeah, it's

5:07

not an uncommon thing to get times rock. You're

5:09

off the hook on that. So 25 years. 25

5:12

years. We've been friends. What is

5:14

that? Is that our silver anniversary? What is 25

5:16

years? Can you link that up Eric?

5:18

Yeah, absolutely. It is... You, how old are

5:21

you? I'm 48.

5:24

So we've known each other for... We've been friends for more

5:26

than half of our lives. You did the exact same thing

5:28

but I'm not giving you shit. We've

5:32

been friends for more than half of our lives. That's

5:34

wild. Yeah, it's really crazy. It's crazy to

5:36

think that when we made our first website

5:38

together, which would have been Ugly Internet, when

5:40

I was 23 and you were 21? Just

5:45

by 20? By the end of February

5:47

so I probably just was 21 by then. Just turned

5:49

21. Sterling Silver.

5:52

That's both traditional and modern. I'll have to give

5:54

you something special. Alright, well let's go find something.

5:56

I'm gonna get like a serving platter. Sterling Silver

5:59

serving platter or something. It's just crazy

6:01

to think that with that moment like when we're

6:03

like plotting out ugly internet that more than half

6:05

of our lives later We're still gonna be doing

6:07

shit together. Yeah, it's been going on for God

6:10

a long ass time. It's crazy how much I think about a lot

6:12

I think I talked about a lot and you know a

6:14

few different podcasts like how much the world has changed You

6:17

know I talked about the other a couple weeks ago about

6:19

how the amazing race has changed so much like when that

6:21

episode came out There were you know they went to pay

6:23

phones and that episode came out after you and I knew

6:25

each other Yes, good. I knew each other for a few

6:27

years before that living together at that point, right? So it's

6:29

just it's crazy how much the world has changed and how

6:32

much we have to continually Try

6:34

to adapt to it, but yeah, so we Ugly

6:37

internet. I'm trying to think what spawned that

6:39

initial idea. We know we wanted to make something I don't

6:42

know why that's the idea we settled on do you remember

6:44

why so It's interesting that

6:46

you ask I don't know the answer, but I

6:48

I actually was just kind of going through this

6:51

Today because I just edited an episode

6:53

of my solo podcast that is all

6:55

right Which is I was trying to

6:57

answer you know everybody asked us the questions that how you

7:00

got started at Rooster Teeth How did you find your footing?

7:02

How did you find success and I feel like we've answered

7:04

those questions like 1 million times? Yeah in 1

7:06

million different ways in a million different places and

7:09

so instead and I've been getting that question a lot

7:11

to in email To talk about so instead

7:13

I decided to talk about like my life up and

7:15

to the day I started Rooster Teeth and The

7:18

only plan was to just kind of follow the creative path

7:20

in a way that I've never really sat down and looked

7:22

at how How my life

7:24

unfolded you know in that way and so

7:28

I was kind of figuring it out as

7:30

I went and just telling stories and like

7:32

Realizing opportunities that I had that I seized

7:34

like I and it hadn't crossed

7:36

my mind Until

7:39

last week when I recorded this episode that when I was

7:41

19 years old I

7:43

was starting zines like I started around 17

7:46

18. I started doing zines punk zines the

7:48

first band I ever interviewed When

7:50

I was 19 years old was

7:52

fugazi, okay, I interviewed Ian McKay at

7:55

19 years old the very

7:57

first professional non-armored

8:00

I'd ever given and I was thinking to myself

8:02

so 48 years old now Okay, so real

8:04

quick. Yeah, so you talked about you know

8:07

starting these publications doing these interviews was this

8:09

like Internet based or was

8:11

this like paper based stuff that was paper base. Okay.

8:13

Yeah I'm

8:15

getting to us. So no

8:17

no to get people to pressure paper. This was that

8:19

this is that longer these are these are print scenes

8:21

and That

8:24

got me thinking At

8:26

48 years old if you asked me to interview Ian

8:28

McKay, I wouldn't do it. I'd be

8:30

too scared I'd be too scared

8:33

to talk to somebody that I have that

8:35

much respect for who has made such a

8:37

mark in a world That is important to me. I

8:40

would be so scared at 48 but at 19.

8:42

I just didn't care. I was

8:44

fearless Yeah, no perspective. You have no perspective, right?

8:46

and I was just kind of following those those

8:49

moments through my life up until I Just

8:52

wanted to stop basically at the day I started Rooster

8:54

Teeth or we started Rooster Teeth and I

8:57

kind of skipped ugly internet and drug I ended up

8:59

stopping at the day I met you because that that

9:01

was the I realized that was the moment my life

9:03

changed and I'm not trying to blow smoke up your

9:06

Ass or overly nice to

9:08

you I'm just being like as pragmatic and

9:10

as honest as I can be but when

9:12

I look back at my career the most

9:14

important moment in My creative journey was

9:17

becoming your friend because it was the first

9:19

time in my life I found a creative

9:22

partner I think it's helpful to have like

9:24

another voice to bounce ideas off of and

9:26

to collaborate on things with and just to

9:28

find somebody else Who's passionate? You know, it's

9:30

such a it's such a heavy thing

9:33

to Handle alone. You

9:35

know, it's such an overwhelming amount

9:37

of work to try to cut

9:39

your path in a creative way, especially Especially

9:43

when there aren't a lot of examples to follow

9:46

in the in the in the paths we were

9:48

following we were blazing I guess honestly and

9:51

so Looking back

9:53

on it now at 48 almost

9:55

50 having perspective. I realized just how important you

9:57

have been to my life personally because because we're

9:59

very good friends and we've known each other forever.

10:02

A long time. You mean so much to me

10:04

on that level. But I

10:07

don't know that I'd be anywhere close to where I am

10:09

in my career if you and

10:11

I hadn't made our first website together. It's

10:14

totally a two-way street, right? Like, I mean, it's my

10:16

turn to blow smoke up your ass. I

10:18

think, you know, when I was younger, I

10:20

definitely had a lot more, you're

10:23

gonna be shocked by this, a lot more

10:25

of a rigid, very mathematical approach. Right? No,

10:28

you? What

10:31

are you talking about? The

10:33

thing that interested me at the time, leading up to

10:36

then was, you know, probably around the same time you

10:38

were, you know, interviewing Fugazi and talking to them, like

10:40

that's when I was cutting my teeth, learning web stuff, right?

10:42

Like 1994, I was like 16. You

10:46

know, we always talk about it and we always make fun of

10:48

me, deservedly so. Because of death plus. Going to math camp, right.

10:50

Yeah. Because that's where, like the

10:52

math was fine, that was whatever. But the valuable

10:55

thing I took away from that camp and I

10:57

went there three years was, like

10:59

all the computer systems were all like Unix based. And

11:02

like I learned about accessing websites,

11:04

I learned how to make websites. I learned like how to

11:06

do everything from a command prompt. I was like, oh, this

11:08

is really interesting and I would help everyone, you know, make

11:10

a website. So it wasn't necessarily

11:12

that I was good at

11:15

generating the content. I was good at figuring out

11:17

how to deliver the content. You

11:19

aren't giving yourself credit. You wanted to,

11:21

we didn't know what we were doing

11:23

at the time and

11:25

you were definitely a techy guy. And I

11:27

was a designy guy and there was a

11:29

good marriage of skills at the time. Because

11:33

I had in tandem to you learning how to make websites.

11:35

And this is something I talked about in the episode of So All Right. I,

11:38

a formative moment for me was in 1996 when

11:40

I was the press, the one man press shop

11:43

at the United States Military Academy Preparatory School

11:45

in New Jersey. They came

11:47

to me, my boss came to me and said, hey, West

11:50

Point just launched a website. I don't

11:52

know what that is, but I'm told we need to have one.

11:54

I need you to do it. And I was like, I don't

11:56

think that's my job. And he's like, it is as of today.

11:58

And so I had to call up the web. hearing

16:00

about it and everything but I never considered like

16:03

I don't know it just seemed like one of those things that

16:05

like this was on the news but I never considered

16:07

parents actually seeing it going like not

16:09

you right one time when I was

16:12

in the seventh grade

16:15

I came downstairs lived in a townhome

16:17

in Louisiana and I came downstairs and

16:20

my mom and my dad had my

16:22

Motley Crew Shadow of the Devil album

16:25

and they said I

16:27

just watched the news report this

16:29

is satanic it's got secret messages in

16:31

it and they broke it and they threw it away in front of

16:33

me that's the only time they ever did anything like that and I

16:35

lost my Shadow of the Devil album which

16:38

was I wasn't a huge Motley Crew fans

16:40

I wasn't the end of the world for me at that point

16:42

it wasn't prey to the devil yeah but it was like fuck

16:44

you devil see it's gonna spin it but yeah even so even

16:46

my mom

16:52

who was very progressive and very cool when I

16:54

was growing up was subject to it a little

16:57

bit I think all parents were when I was

16:59

a kid they would have smurf burnings at church

17:01

yeah that was a huge thing Murph yes Smurfs

17:03

were the biggest fucking thing when I was a

17:05

kid I never heard the works I I think

17:07

I remember I collected Smurfs but Smurfs

17:09

didn't wear like shirts and they were

17:11

they they were like Christian

17:14

fundamentalist decided there was some weird sexual undertones

17:16

and then there was a wizard Gargamel was

17:18

a wizard and it was satanic and so

17:20

they would they would have in my community

17:22

they would have people come and bring all

17:25

their Smurf action figures and

17:27

paraphernalia and they would make a big bonfire and

17:29

then throw it all on the fucking bonfire and

17:31

then just melt plastic and breathe those and that

17:33

shit come up with new idea

17:37

dude that shit happened all

17:39

the time in the 1980s

17:42

all the time I heard about that

17:44

like this first stuff or whatever but like aren't they

17:46

against the wizard like the wizard evil shout at the

17:49

devil Eric are you trying to breathe some common sense

17:51

and a bunch of religious it's a cartoon with little

17:55

blue creatures that try to help each other living

17:57

mushrooms one of the girl wears a dress The

18:00

biggest problem they have in the world is a

18:02

mean cat and all they're trying to do is

18:04

bring peace and unity to each other Why the

18:06

fuck wouldn't that be a message you would every

18:08

parent would want their yeah But when I'm burning

18:10

the plastic and huffing the fuse I'm starting to

18:12

I'm starting to like really see the light Everyone's

18:14

looking a little blue Fucking

18:20

stupid that's crazy. Yeah Wow, but

18:22

uh we We

18:24

like looking at us like we're

18:27

recording and mo Oh She

18:30

can't hear us There's

18:33

a You know we so

18:35

going back on track a little bit So you know

18:37

we we had all these things or we had all

18:39

this Ideas and things I want to do

18:41

on the internet I think actually our first thing that

18:44

we did was we so

18:46

when we worked at the call center Which we talked about

18:48

many times we had free access to like UNIX

18:51

servers that were connected to The

18:53

internet with high speed and that's where we hosted red

18:55

versus blue at first, you know Not

18:58

for long But

19:00

it's good the company that it's where we would host all of

19:02

our websites because it's like Oh the servers are in the vault

19:04

like yeah any feet that way You know we can connect to

19:06

them and do everything we need to do and all of our

19:09

all of our stuff right here For free because we were

19:11

just employees They didn't charge us

19:13

for access, which is crazy. Anyway, we

19:17

Started making websites that way the first thing we did was

19:19

we put that flash animation up the show me the monkey

19:21

Yeah that you had made or Bleep

19:24

the name. Okay. Yeah, we put up the show

19:27

me the monkey with the flash animation of the

19:29

the monkey eating a banana and then

19:32

Just like I guess that was kind

19:34

of like a dry run practice Mm-hmm, and then you

19:37

know from there were like well Let's start actually making

19:39

content and then I remember Bernie would go in and

19:41

edit it and suck with it You put

19:43

like a pirate hat on the monkey, you know like

19:45

an eye patch. That's cute Yeah, but I think that

19:47

was like kind of training wheels

19:49

for figuring out how to

19:52

Make stuff and how to put stuff online and then I don't

19:54

know how we decided our first website was going to be Making

19:57

fun of other people's websites Uh,

20:00

we were in our early 20s and obnoxious

20:03

and we thought we were Funnier

20:05

than we were and more clever than we were

20:07

and that we knew more than we did and

20:10

to be fair to us This

20:13

was before the wild wild west of the

20:15

internet Yeah, this is but when it was

20:17

because it was like this was a couple

20:19

steps before that and everybody Was

20:21

rushing to the internet to make

20:23

their own ugly disgusting Terrible

20:26

version of a website and then there

20:28

were all these companies that would

20:30

pop up that would give awards for

20:32

good website design And that's what pissed

20:34

us off as these ugly fucking vlogs

20:36

would have or e-insights would have like

20:38

four Awards at the bottom that looked

20:40

like the look like somebody made up

20:43

In about five minutes and it was clear that

20:46

they had given themselves the award For

20:48

you know people might not remember

20:50

or might not have been there for this time

20:52

this time period in the internet But it was

20:55

like the time of web rings the

20:57

time I

20:59

hadn't thought about web rings since there

21:02

were web rings But the time of

21:04

visible counters on website mm-hmm and the

21:06

time of those little under construction animated

21:08

gif Yeah bit maps

21:11

remember like doing like a giant

21:13

image and like where you like depending on where

21:15

your mouse was on the image It would be

21:17

like different links. Oh yeah,

21:21

like It was just an

21:23

awful though the blink tag was

21:25

still would still work in web browsers Oh,

21:28

I just it was just

21:30

a fucking nightmare, but I will say I think maybe

21:32

it's because it was my idea but my

21:34

favorite part of all of that was We

21:37

would you know tell we would write how bad

21:39

these websites were Then we would

21:41

email the review to the webmaster the people who

21:44

made it But then I would I would contact

21:46

the American registry of internet numbers and ask for

21:48

their IP address to be revoked because they were

21:50

Wasting space on the internet and we were running

21:53

out of IP addresses And

21:56

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21:59

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about this earlier, like the overlap of our two skill sets. I

29:25

think you made a phenomenal design

29:27

for the drunk gamers website. Like I thought it

29:29

looked really good at the time and I was

29:31

like so impressed with it. And then Bernie used

29:33

to show. No, it was great. I loved it.

29:35

It looked like all the Donkey Kong stuff for

29:37

all the layout. I love the Donkey Kong stuff.

29:40

Yeah. Anyway, so

29:42

then you made this beautiful website. So then I had

29:44

to figure out how to make

29:46

it into like a content management system. Yeah. I

29:49

was like, okay, we've got this beautiful design. How do

29:51

we actually post it and automate it so that it's

29:53

not we don't have to rewrite the fucking entire

29:55

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know, I mentioned it before we use movable type for

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that. kind of like automate everything

30:01

and categorize everything. And it's wild to

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me that, you know, these things were such a struggle back then.

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we talk about it, but it's like, now there's services

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that you can just pay and it's all drag and

30:13

drop and it's all so much easier

30:15

when it was such a fucking hassle back then. Dude, no kidding. You

30:17

know what the easiest thing in the world to do is in 2024?

30:20

Sell a t-shirt on the internet. You know what the hardest thing

30:22

in the world to do was in 2000? Sell

30:25

a fucking t-shirt on the internet. You remember that?

30:27

Yeah. God damn. All

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the tools that exist today were theories

30:32

in 1999 and 2000. And

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we had to wait for the technology

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to catch up to our dreams and desires. So one

30:39

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30:41

march of technology and how things have changed over our

30:43

life. And specifically, you know, specifically we

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tend to focus on the internet and, you know,

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the 25 years we've known each other. But in

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emboss of the card to now, you know, virtualized

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token credit cards on your phone or Apple

31:03

Pay and all of that stuff. I still

31:05

remember when fast food restaurants started taking credit

31:07

cards. I was an adult. I was 20

31:09

years old when I used a credit card

31:12

to buy Burger King in San Antonio. And

31:14

I thought it was the, I was like,

31:17

I'm in the fucking future. I saw a fucking

31:19

future. I saw a video about that. Somebody had

31:21

found a news report from when Burger

31:23

King started taking credit cards. Yeah. I

31:26

was interviewing people at Burger King and it's a lot of

31:28

people going, I just think you must be in a really

31:30

sad state if you gotta buy a hamburger on

31:32

a credit card. I was, I was in the

31:34

army. But

31:37

that's crazy. Like it's not, like they

31:39

didn't take cards. Yeah. Technology like

31:41

that, especially with like money stuff is

31:43

so recent, not even

31:46

in terms of like our lifetime,

31:49

but in terms of money. Yeah.

31:52

We moved away from

31:54

hard currency to this

31:57

other thing in the last 30 years. That's

32:00

insane. That's nuts. It's everywhere

32:02

you look, right? We were talking

32:04

about this earlier because I just did another solo

32:06

ride on that, on this, but I was looking

32:08

at the history of VHS. VHS launched in 1976

32:10

and it died in 2006. I

32:15

had it in my head that VHS would always

32:17

exist because it existed since I was born.

32:20

And then you watch a technology peak and

32:22

then die in your lifetime and then be

32:24

replaced by another technology that then is replaced

32:26

by yet another technology. It's

32:28

much quicker, you know? It's crazy how

32:31

much things have changed. Just

32:33

insane how quickly things have changed. I

32:35

don't know if you remember those initial

32:37

credit card terminals. You had to run

32:39

like a phone line to each of them. And

32:42

you would swipe your card and the fucking

32:44

terminal would make a phone call to authorize

32:46

your card and it took fucking forever. Anyway.

32:49

It took fucking forever. And yeah, now it's

32:51

just so fast. You've got the internet in your

32:53

pocket at all times. I don't even need to

32:55

pull my credit card out. I can buy shit.

32:57

I can't tap my wallet on a... What do you call

33:00

it? Like a terminal? Terminal?

33:02

Yeah. If I can't tap my

33:04

wallet on a terminal and pay, I get huffy.

33:06

I'm a pissy little bitch. I'm like, stupid. I'm like,

33:08

I'm sticking in now? What year is this? You know

33:11

what? The worst... I fucking hate

33:13

the HEB terminals because you can't tap. You can't

33:15

tap an HEB. They're so... I

33:18

don't know what the problem is. Anytime I try

33:20

to do a chip to pay at

33:22

HEB, it doesn't work. It's like, bad

33:24

chip read. Bad chip read. Bad chip

33:26

read. Fuck! Just fucking get the

33:28

tap! And those terminals are all pretty

33:30

new. They replaced them last year. They are.

33:33

They are. They chose... Those

33:35

are like post-COVID. We're not getting rid of those terminals. Yeah,

33:37

those are post-COVID terminals. We're not getting rid of those for

33:39

a while. HEB's gonna fuck us on the tap for at

33:41

least another two years. And on the insert. And

33:44

the chip. It doesn't work. It's so

33:46

funny. That's maybe my only complaint about

33:48

HEB. Like as a grocery store, it's

33:51

great. I can get all the stuff that I

33:53

need. I think it's a great grocery

33:55

store. And then I go to pay and every time

33:57

I leave, I'm so sorry.

34:01

Because I just go it didn't all right hang on hang

34:03

on fuck all right hang on that being said it

34:05

really is the best Gosh, it is a great grocery

34:07

store, but man what a negative note

34:09

to end every single trip every

34:12

trip I agree man But

34:16

anyway, I don't want to get into the

34:18

grocery store Episode

34:20

or anything were you going somewhere else with technology

34:23

though? Oh no no no I'm just talking about

34:25

like how primitive Payment

34:27

acceptance was yeah at the start like from the

34:29

chunk chunk Which most of our listeners might

34:31

not have even ever seen in their life to

34:33

now just you know like

34:35

I said virtualized credit cards for tries numbers and

34:38

You know tap payment systems and not having to pull your wallet

34:40

out at all I

34:42

remember So my early experiences with

34:45

the internet Similarly, you know

34:47

like I said I went to a math camp And you

34:49

know we're using these unique servers, and it

34:51

was amazing to me to always be connected to internet

34:53

right? It wasn't like I'm going to log on in

34:55

it wasn't like a well if I'm gonna dial up

34:57

It's like this computer is always on the internet, and

35:00

that was wild to me It's like this isn't you

35:02

know a mainframe thinking back there like this isn't a

35:04

mainframe. This is just a an Apple Terminal

35:07

I can sit at I can sit and you

35:09

know do whatever shit I want to I actually

35:11

learned how to use premiere on that computer And

35:13

then if I wanted to I'm on the internet

35:15

I can launch NCSA mosaic and you know load

35:17

a website really shitty shittily To

35:20

now and then you're going home not having that be like

35:22

okay fine. I'm at home. I have to dial up Then

35:25

you connect into this closed ecosystem

35:28

That isn't really connected to everything then you gradually

35:30

like the web kind of seeps into everywhere And

35:33

now you know you care I carry my phone

35:35

and my watch like I've got things that are

35:37

just online all the time And if I don't

35:39

have the internet for like five minutes. I'm like

35:42

what the fuck do I do I know it like? It's

35:45

like a common joke on the internet right like back in the

35:47

old days You know you'd go to the bathroom, and you're taking

35:49

a shit you like read a shampoo bottle

35:51

or something And

35:53

now it's like I'm gonna. I have access

35:55

to the entire knowledge of human

35:58

history and the entire knowledge of the world tips

36:01

but I'm gonna watch a cat smell afoot. I watched

36:03

the cat eating rotisserie chicken live on TikTok the other

36:05

day. He just was eating it was a rotisserie chicken

36:07

on the ground and it was a live TikTok of

36:09

a cat eating a whole

36:11

rotisserie chicken. It was

36:13

awesome. It was so

36:15

cap- that and hamster rave, so

36:18

captivated. But yeah it's just everything

36:20

and we I think we

36:23

talked about this back in the day you and the Drunk Gamers

36:25

days and the ugly internet days trying

36:27

to draw that line out and figure out like you know

36:29

we at the time we were working at the call center

36:31

it was all dial-up tech support but you

36:34

know always on high speed internet was starting to roll out

36:36

cable modems were like a brand new thing in Austin. At

36:38

the I would say the last two years we were there

36:40

we started to do support for some cable modems. What years?

36:45

I want to say well in Austin cable modems I think started rolling

36:47

out like in 99 or 2000 like it was

36:50

in test marks I think I mentioned this before

36:52

you have to go to a class before they

36:54

would give you the cable modem. So we

36:58

started Richteeth in 2003. Yeah. So

37:00

I would have I probably quit telenetwork

37:04

in 2004. Okay. I

37:07

think. I worked there from 98 to 2000. Okay. I left in 2000 to go work

37:11

at the other corporate job. And then you came back.

37:14

And then I came back. O-2

37:18

end of O-2 for a bit. But

37:21

yeah I remember you and I would sit there and draw things

37:23

out because I say you can come in. You

37:26

come in? No. You're just staring at me creepily. We

37:30

tried to draw the line out to see imagine

37:32

what the world would be like and what the internet would be like.

37:34

I remember you know we would talk about cell

37:36

phones because you know even like cell phones were

37:38

like a relatively brand new thing. I think about

37:41

my first cell phone in 98 or 99 that's when

37:43

they really started becoming affordable and you know accessible

37:45

to anyone. I had a really low

37:47

paying tech support job and I could afford

37:49

a cell phone finally at that point. And

37:51

trying to think about what always on connectivity was. I

37:53

remember we would always read about like coming future 3G

37:56

technologies that they were testing in Japan that was to

37:58

be like it's going to be like. So fast

38:00

you always be connected to the internet and now it's

38:02

funny to look at be like man 3G. That's so

38:04

fucking old Yeah, I would be miserable if I had

38:06

a 3G connection on my phone right now Do you

38:08

remember we is you're pretty into anime back in the

38:10

day? So I would watch it with you And

38:13

there was one of the shows that you got

38:15

that you were into that grabbed me that I

38:17

really liked as well was Lain the serial experiment

38:19

experiments experiments experience experience experience. Damn

38:21

it serial experiments Lane I

38:24

had it backwards and It

38:26

was like near future. Yeah, very near future like 10

38:28

years in the future But they had these things called

38:30

navi's that were iPhones and Gus and I

38:32

would just watch her play with her Navi And be like can

38:34

you fucking imagine a world? Where we

38:36

could play video games and take calls and

38:39

do all this other shit just from our

38:41

phone in our pocket and then it Was

38:43

10 years later. Yeah, then just like oh it

38:45

exists now. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah This

38:49

is definitely the old man

38:51

yells at technology We

38:53

yell I think

38:55

it's really appreciating like again, it's a

38:57

march of technology Yeah, you remember when

38:59

we would do conventions and

39:01

you're talking about like 3g technology

39:04

and everything and you would be inside the

39:06

convention center and your Reception

39:08

would be so fucking bad that you'd have to go

39:10

on like the edge Like

39:14

that I just remember like Rocco teaching me like

39:16

oh you have to go in like disable this

39:19

thing cuz everyone's on that And if you're not

39:21

on like the 3g band you'll be able to

39:23

get reception and it's like that's or

39:25

you or you could pay $1,200

39:29

for a fucking Ethernet drop to you the

39:32

the worst About that

39:34

stuff was always well at those at that

39:36

time was always sending you a comic-con because

39:38

people would pay for that drop And

39:41

then they would set up a Wi-Fi access point

39:43

and there were so many people with so many

39:45

different Wi-Fi that nobody's Wi-Fi Worked it was like

39:47

everybody's Signals overlap with

39:49

each other everyone's on the same channel be like

39:51

fuck I am standing right next to

39:54

my Wi-Fi base station, and I can't get anything to work

39:56

what a pain in the ass Anyway

39:59

now we're in the future You

42:00

figured out like the right amount of silly

42:02

versus serious and paying attention, which is something

42:04

I could never do and It's

42:06

just a testament to all

42:09

of your hard work how great it is But I

42:11

told Barbara the other day I guess a

42:13

couple months ago, but when they were filming stinky Stinky

42:16

puppets I walked into the room because she wanted

42:18

to show she was proud of it She wanted to show it to me and

42:21

I watched him film for like 10 minutes and I told

42:23

her I don't want to leave the room and

42:27

And I meant it and and I told her in that

42:29

moment and I still think this stands true I

42:32

felt something in that room when that show

42:34

was being made that I have only felt

42:37

Three times in Rooster Teeth and that

42:39

is making red versus blue What I didn't

42:41

have anything to do with Ruby but watching Ruby be made

42:44

and making a chief of hunter I think

42:46

that you guys have captured Whatever

42:49

that thing is that made those

42:51

shows special that heart or that

42:54

Just that that right tone whatever the secret

42:57

sauce is That's

42:59

so fucking hard to repeat, you know, we've been lucky

43:01

that we've been able to repeat it a few times

43:03

in our history But I really do think that when

43:06

you as long as things continue the way

43:08

they should and you guys keep killing it with it I really do

43:10

think that when you look back 10 or

43:13

20 years from now and you look at Rooster Teeth

43:15

You're gonna think of red versus blue you're gonna think

43:17

of Ruby and you're gonna think a stinky dragon up

43:19

there with those And I hope so, yeah, I think

43:21

it deserves to be up there I think it's that

43:23

good and I hope the audience continues

43:25

to support it and it finds the audience that

43:27

deserves to find Because it is one of the

43:29

best things we've ever made and it's the best

43:31

version of that thing in the world the there's

43:33

a lot of passion that goes into it right

43:35

like everyone involved like I think You

43:38

know, obviously if you listen to the podcast and you watch

43:40

the videos, you know You see the on-camera people but the

43:42

behind camera people are also super passionate about it and I

43:44

try to make sure that you know, we include them in

43:46

the credit as well, so we couldn't make it without any

43:50

of them, but Everyone's

43:52

really passionate about it, right and everyone has idea

43:54

and vision of what it should be and Everyone's

43:57

mostly unified right but every now and then you get like

43:59

These differing opinions so I think it's a matter

44:02

of you need that friction right recognizing Hey,

44:04

maybe we're there maybe that other way isn't

44:06

a better way You know not being so

44:08

set today you're resisting those things but

44:11

being flexible and really giving everyone a voice and

44:13

hopefully Everyone elevates everyone

44:15

else that's why Chris is there Anyway

44:20

go to stinky dragon pod comm Please

44:23

we're making a real concerted effort to support the show and

44:25

grow it this month Can I just say also as an

44:27

aside? Uh, I don't have anything

44:29

to do with that show This isn't me shilling for it.

44:31

Like I I play like I think I play a sin tor

44:34

the lines in the entirety of the show I

44:37

really I couldn't have less to do with it. I'm

44:39

just watching it as a fan from afar like everybody

44:41

else and I

44:44

really do I really do think it's special and

44:46

I really do believe in it and I only say that about

44:48

stuff that I believe in like There are a lot of productions

44:50

in the company. You've not heard me talk about You

44:53

know, I've never heard about this. I've never heard him talk about

44:55

face jam. Oh Yeah burn we're also doing

44:57

face jam you wary, but that's just us putting out a

44:59

free video every Friday It's that this month or is that

45:01

February? Yes the problem. We'll see you wary. It's like it

45:03

could be January or February Now

45:06

we're having a fuck face. We're having fuck you.

45:08

It's January We

45:12

before we get into stinky dragon stuff that

45:14

you have coming up we got to talk

45:16

about mom's Barbecue,

45:18

we're way behind schedule Or

45:21

something else in this room and I got home to that

45:23

dog. I know right? What did you guys think of mom's?

45:25

We went to talisman. Okay, the coffee that was

45:28

in there and then building. Yes, and then we

45:30

saw oh They have deli and

45:32

barbecue things. So we got to come back.

45:34

So we after the break we're here.

45:36

We did it I

45:38

got Thursday afternoon action a combo. It was

45:40

a half sandwich and matzo

45:42

ball soup and you can pick from a few

45:45

different sandwiches I picked the og pastrami and You

45:48

know, they brought they brought it out on a tray and

45:50

my first thought was oh, that's a cute little sandwich I'm gonna

45:52

be starving after this No,

45:55

I'm totally full. I got super full. I was

45:57

like I eat that sandwich and had

45:59

that soup is on That was really fun that was the

46:01

perfect amount It's deceptive because I thought the same thing when

46:03

I got my sandwich I went this is not gonna fill

46:05

me up, and I ate it and I went I'm comfortable

46:08

this feels good Yeah, like why did I think I needed

46:10

more? Yeah, it's just like the greedy little

46:12

monster inside of me. It's like oh Of

46:14

course I had a big red to wash it down.

46:16

Yeah, I'm a big pastrami guy I

46:19

was enticed by their pastrami sandwich

46:21

ultimately I didn't get it because I was gonna have

46:24

to make too many substitutions Yeah I'm always

46:26

wary of that and I decided to be safe and just

46:28

go with brisket because They kind of like

46:30

how I go with the same coffee every time I kind

46:32

of start all barbecue restaurants with the same thing Yeah,

46:35

so the pastrami was was

46:37

interesting inside. It wasn't what

46:39

I typically think of as a deli pastrami It

46:41

was almost like a brisket. It looks Like

46:44

don't really think of like thin slice like

46:46

a deli meat pastrami This was like thick

46:48

like you took a brisket and made pastrami

46:51

from it Which was it

46:53

was really good. I was gonna say

46:55

what did you guys think of what you had? So

46:58

little afternoon. I want to put an asterisk on it.

47:00

Yeah I'm a real

47:02

stickler about cleanliness Right.

47:04

Yes, and I took a picture of the forks We

47:08

know we sat down they brought us our food like

47:10

we don't have silverware like oh, they're over there I

47:12

hate when a restaurant puts out like that tub with

47:14

like a cup and a bunch of forks and spoons

47:16

and I think They're like they're all filthy.

47:18

So I whatever get over it Gus get over it you big

47:20

baby. Go get the forks I go pull out three forks one

47:22

for each of us and they're all filthy like dirty.

47:25

Yeah, okay I think this must be three bad ones.

47:27

I pull out another three. These are worse than those

47:29

three I went through every fork in there and

47:31

they were all filthy Despite the fact

47:33

the silverware was filthy. I still used it

47:35

to eat the food cuz the food was

47:37

that good Yeah, and I don't I don't

47:40

begrudge them for it It

47:42

was it was a phenomenal. It was it

47:44

was so good. Do you really like it? I really

47:46

like it What'd you think I was

47:48

okay, I thought I thought I had the turkey sandwich I

47:51

thought it was just I thought I was fine I would

47:53

put it in the category of better than an iron

47:56

works or a stubs but not as good

47:58

as like an the

48:00

barbecue Where it

48:02

is in relation to us I could see myself going

48:04

there for sure Yeah, a bunch and

48:07

it's and it's gonna create like they have unique

48:09

stuff right with a lot of ball soup. They

48:11

have pastrami It's not just Texas barbecue. They have

48:13

some interesting fare. Yeah. Yeah for you to sample

48:15

and you can also get a cup of coffee

48:18

Yeah, and you get a damn good cup. It wasn't like the

48:20

best pastrami sandwich. I've had in the world I mean if I

48:22

was giving it like a score one to ten It's like eight

48:25

eight and a half it was really good and

48:27

the matzo ball soup was really good I really

48:29

like an expert on multiple soup. All right. I

48:31

really like turkey from barbecue places So

48:33

this was like an easy thing where I would

48:35

recommend it because it was a good turkey sandwich.

48:38

I Don't love the

48:40

barbecue sauce. It was very mustardy

48:42

very mustard based Which I don't have a problem

48:44

with but I wanted something that was more vinegary

48:46

to go with the turkey So

48:49

it's fine. I mean I ultimately it was just sort of

48:51

like I liked it. I didn't love it We got Chris

48:53

and John walking in we're about to do anything right? Dragon

48:55

stuff coming up. Um, so yeah, I would say Check

48:59

it out if

49:01

you're in the area, which I don't

49:03

know why you would be in the area if you're

49:06

gentrifying If which we talked about that last

49:08

time they definitely are Just

49:10

not on the other side where you

49:12

looked at the building with broken windows that was falling

49:15

apart You just went what is it? Good if you're

49:17

if you're thinking to go if you're gonna go get

49:19

barbecue one day and you're like, I'll just go to

49:21

Rudy's Instead of going Rudy's just go

49:23

there. It's a great I think that's a great little substitution

49:25

instead of Rudy's go there and try it because you

49:27

know what? I want to go back for the poster.

49:29

I like it as much as the move. Yeah, I

49:31

think yeah We're

49:34

wrapping up here. We're almost done. Um, so

49:37

Well, we'll write it pretty positively for a

49:39

podcast that doesn't rate barbecue. Um, yeah. Yeah,

49:41

it's not our it's not our wheelhouse No,

49:44

we're not expertise experts. No,

49:47

uh, let's get through some anarchy questions. I just

49:49

have a couple This

49:51

one's from Angela

49:54

on Instagram. You can send us questions

49:56

at animal podcasts on Instagram or on

49:58

Twitter or You go to our slash

50:01

anova podcast which is a subreddit. We don't run

50:03

this from Angela her name is torta on But I

50:06

wasn't gonna call her that's there or whatever. Can

50:08

you guys open your own coffee shop? Can

50:12

we yeah, I Probably

50:14

could figure it out. You have any interest in doing

50:16

that right? It seems like you have to you have

50:18

to be up to you know You know

50:20

what would be fun well not fun. You know what I could

50:22

do a trailer like outside

50:24

of a corral snake I just

50:27

don't I like that like that just like

50:29

a little trailer. We're just me And

50:32

it's just me and I was just like I'm just

50:34

sitting there like I mean that's the perfect work environment

50:36

right It's like I'm reading a book or playing a

50:38

game and if someone comes up wants a coffee I

50:40

make a coffee give it to him like I'm reading

50:42

a book or playing a game and then make you

50:44

a cup of coffee Is your business? Yeah? I

50:47

uh And so it's just like a like

50:49

a trailer right like it's not like I think you're not

50:51

paying for rent for an entire building You don't need a

50:53

big staff. It's just me and a coffee machine in a

50:56

little trailer Don't you think in Austin Texas to stand out

50:58

in 2024 you have to have some sort of a

51:00

remarkable coffee? I don't care about standing out well. I

51:02

mean just survive. There's so much competition Oh, he just

51:04

wants no he wants to pop a thing in the

51:06

Keurig yeah On the

51:09

curicle I don't have any passion

51:11

from I have passion to drink coffee not to make

51:13

it I just don't feel like I

51:15

would do I don't feel like I do coffee justice

51:18

I give plenty of options Folgers Maxwell house you name

51:20

it. I've got it all I'll tell you right now

51:22

I would go to your coffee shop. I'm

51:25

gonna fill it to the room with brim. Oh Yeah,

51:27

you don't want the afternoon jitter Go

51:31

to store.reseas.com and grab that shirt early is

51:33

the new late also hey one more question.

51:36

This is from bottle water On

51:40

the subreddit that again. We don't run we're almost done. We're

51:42

just wrapping up My

51:44

wife's family's from Flugerville in the

51:47

Round Rock area is that considered

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a part of Austin? If it

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is what are some food options around there

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that y'all like if you ask anyone from

51:55

Flugerville around rock they live in Austin anyone

51:57

in Austin that's not often 100% It

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it's weird that I felt like when I

52:03

moved here It was this clamoring of flugerville

52:05

and round rock to be like we're Austin.

52:08

We're Austin Yeah, we're Austin and I feel

52:10

like in the last year or two They

52:13

have been annexing and separating from Austin going

52:15

like and we're our own thing Well, I

52:17

think round rock is one of the fastest

52:19

growing cities in America. It is I think

52:21

like number one or two crazy really really

52:24

weird because they've round rock donuts and the

52:26

Dell diamond and Kalahari

52:29

If you want the like the world's largest

52:32

indoor water the world's most tepid swimming pool

52:35

That Kalahari place got hit by that tornado couple

52:37

months ago Uh, that is our friend Cole you

52:39

store here and then moved to Japan. That was

52:42

all he ever wanted to do Flugerville

52:51

or round rock food recommendations No,

52:53

no, no What

52:57

he said is a hundred percent right if you live in Austin

52:59

you don't give a fuck about flugerville around rock Yeah, if you

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live in round rock in flugerville, you'd live in Austin. Mm-hmm Well,

53:04

it's Chris doing over there. You got an opinion about

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flugerville the meatballs that IKEA

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the meatballs that IKEA that's a possible

53:13

answer I couldn't everybody But

53:16

it's in round rock. I mean he

53:18

nailed the location my I've driven to

53:21

IKEA to get those meatballs because my

53:23

wife wanted them so bad that we

53:25

just drove there and got them and

53:27

Left you didn't pick up a mall or a scorcha

53:30

or anything later there. I'm a Billy fan

53:34

It's a drive it's a yeah to get up there. All right, let's

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get out of here. All right Well, thanks

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But thank you for listening. I think we have

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53:53

Are going to do our lawyer

53:55

draft? Yeah, I need to I'm actually I've been meaning to

53:57

cut together a promo for that I'm gonna put together a

53:59

bunch of commercials Wait until I have start putting

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it together But I'm gonna get a date where we can

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walk it in and then we're gonna do a stream where

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we're going to do a lawyer Great great great. Have you

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seen those new billboards from that dude dang? Call

54:11

I got some lawyer updates we can cover next.

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