Recently, the Somali-born ex-Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali announced that, in a seeming departure from her apostate atheism, she had decided to convert to Christianity. This prompted long-time Apologia participant J. Daniel Sawyer to include some analysis of Ali's about-face and place it in context with the long historical view he is developing at his substack, "Unfolding the World." The result of this was a long-delayed conversation between Dan and Zach focused on how this phenomenon manifested in the (admittedly, WEIRD) atheist community over the past decade.