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1:02

Not too long ago, when the

1:04

SpaceX rocket blew

1:06

up, unmanned, no

1:09

injuries, they didn't

1:11

say at SpaceX, dang our

1:14

billion dollar rocket blew up. SpaceX

1:17

actually issued a statement and they

1:19

called it and I quote, a

1:21

rapid unscheduled disassembly.

1:27

I bring that up because the same thing goes for the NFL

1:30

Draft. You can be sitting in your NFL war room

1:32

and you could have your plans all laid out for

1:34

months and months, and you think it's going one way,

1:36

and then come home a

1:39

rapid, unscheduled disassembly

1:41

happens while you're on the clock.

1:43

Also known buy as a wedge

1:45

bust. Just sayence,

1:48

just saying.

1:48

It's one reason that the NFL Draft is

1:50

on four kind of four different networks

1:53

this year. It's on ABC, ESPN,

1:55

NFL Network in ESPN Deportees because

1:58

it is the original reality

2:00

TV and it goes down in real time

2:03

and we are here to cover it all the way up until

2:05

Draft night. It is the big red Rage. Paul

2:07

Calvi, you se Ron Wolfy all presented by santan

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to be joined by Cardinals cornerback

2:14

coach Ryan Smith Ron

2:17

Wolfley. Would you say cornerback would be an area

2:19

of need slash want in this draft as.

2:21

A matter of fact, Paulie, I think there's no doubt about

2:23

that. I think it's one of the biggest needs for the

2:25

Arizona Cardinals. I see four really

2:27

big needs, but I think they have a need for

2:29

the most part, in almost every area not

2:32

called quarterback for the most part, Paully,

2:34

But I do see that. I see corner

2:37

being a big need right now,

2:39

and it's not going to be a surprise.

2:41

It's that way for many many teams in the

2:43

National Football League going through a

2:45

bit of a flex if

2:47

you will, becoming very flexible

2:50

in regard to the type of corner that

2:52

you have to have in today's NFL.

2:55

You've got to have a guy that can

2:57

play that pressman cover, and you

2:59

also have to have a guy that can actually

3:01

play in a zone room because that many

3:04

times is where picks happened.

3:06

You know what I made at number one on my big board, the

3:09

big board of wants and needs number one. You know

3:11

why, because you have one proven

3:13

corner and every team needs at least

3:15

three, if not four. Now

3:18

you have Garrett Williams, who's coming off a pretty

3:20

darn good rookie season. But beyond Sean

3:22

Murphy bunting Cardinals

3:24

are in the market, we'll get into corner.

3:26

Speaking of one, though, Paul, what are you gonna do

3:28

for one? Being Kyler Murray

3:32

meaning a wide receiver of course,

3:34

Oh, I see, what are you going to do for

3:37

one?

3:37

Well, if you're Mike Tannenbaum, and I bring

3:39

this up because we're going to get into some of these mock

3:41

drafts. This is my favorite slash

3:44

worst mock draft of

3:46

the mock draft season. If you don't recall

3:49

a month ago or so, he had the Cardinals

3:51

drafting JJ McCarthy at number four.

3:54

Let there be a fourth QB he

3:56

had going to the Cardinals. They then

3:59

traded Kyler Murray a third round pick to Minnesota

4:01

for number eleven and twenty three. Cardinals

4:04

with then draft Quinny and Mitchell at eleven

4:06

and then get Ladd McConkie at number

4:08

twenty seven. So

4:10

if you were a follow that and the only reason to bring this

4:13

up is because he's a former NFL GM,

4:15

otherwise I would ignore this. But if you were to follow

4:17

that formula, you end up with JJ McCarthy

4:19

and Ladd McConkie instead of Kyler

4:22

Murray and Marvin Harrison Junior.

4:26

So what was he doing, bawd. We all know what

4:28

he was doing. We all know what my data

4:30

Bob was doing. Look everybody click

4:33

here, please.

4:34

Okay, go on, all right, so let's ignore that.

4:37

Let's go to another former NFL GM,

4:39

Scott Pioli on NFL Network and

4:41

he's just sort of breaking down what

4:44

this two week stretch up to draft night

4:46

looks like in.

4:47

A war room.

4:47

There's a lot of little detail work that needs to

4:49

get done at this point in time, but the work

4:51

that's being done on your front board shouldn't

4:53

really exist. The top players you should know

4:56

exactly where they're at. You're just doing a little bit

4:58

of clean up work on some of those top players

5:00

and you've got the final thirty visits coming to your team.

5:02

You've got private workouts that you do.

5:04

Now.

5:04

The other thing is this you're thinking about

5:07

strategy. There's the evaluation process

5:09

of the draft, and then you have strategy.

5:11

So you're spending a lot of time on the phone

5:13

with your close friends in the industry that

5:16

are either coaches meaning head coaches

5:18

or general managers, trying to figure out

5:20

where you may be able to find value in

5:22

trades.

5:23

Ahha, Do you.

5:24

Think the Cardinals are in the market for a potential trade

5:27

at number four?

5:27

Ron WOLFLINGK, Yes, I do. I think you

5:30

have to plow the road for the most part, Pauli,

5:32

this is where you're going to pick up the phone. You're just

5:34

going to call a guy and say, hey, listen,

5:36

we're not doing this today, but would you be interested

5:39

would you be if I gave you this kind of

5:41

scenario, would you be interested

5:43

in being part of that scenario?

5:46

So I think you're going to plow the road a

5:48

little bit at this point in time, Paulie, and I would

5:50

also say, right now, you're still

5:53

setting your boards. That's what I

5:55

think, because there are still

5:58

some interviews that are going on with the Top

6:00

Thirty interviews, I think your board

6:02

is close to being set, but I

6:05

don't think it is set at this point

6:07

in time, not quite yet.

6:08

And if you track all the reports, and Craig Grielu

6:11

does just that and does a spectacular job,

6:13

there are nearly thirty Top

6:15

thirty visits that have occurred for the Cardinals, They've

6:17

almost completed all of them. And if you follow

6:19

all the reports, one quarter of those visits

6:21

have been by receivers. Wow,

6:24

including the Big Three. Okay, so

6:26

all right, where does that leave the Cardinals?

6:28

Will they even be there at number four to

6:31

take one of the Big Three? Do they go down to six

6:33

with the New York Giants and then still

6:35

nab one of the Big Three? Or do

6:37

they go all the way down to eleven, because

6:40

would you agree that the most noise

6:42

in terms of a potential trade partner

6:44

is coming on in Minnesota. No, not about it, bully,

6:46

all right, so theyre gm Quasia. Dolfo Mensa.

6:49

There he was earlier today meeting the media,

6:51

and here's what he had to say, just on

6:53

risk associated with moving

6:56

up for a quarterback.

6:57

You know, I think just because something's risky doesn't mean

6:59

you have to stay away from it. There's a it's

7:01

it's something that is hard to

7:04

grasp. But if you grasp it, you know what the rewards

7:06

are, right, and that's something you have to weigh

7:08

and measure. You can't look at these

7:10

decisions in the vacuum, you know, you look at

7:13

the whole portfolio of decisions that go around

7:15

it, the things you have to do. But just because

7:17

something's risky doesn't mean you know,

7:19

you're scared from it, you're scared of it. It's

7:21

uncertain, right, it's uncertain, and we got to we gotta take

7:24

our swing. But that doesn't give us any pause.

7:26

Okay, mister Rodolpho Mensu,

7:29

I guess he's moving up, Paul. Is that the way

7:31

you translated that? Right there?

7:32

You know, you know, just say that's sort of you

7:34

know, just like SpaceX. Instead of saying

7:36

our rocket blew up, they called it a rapid unscheduled

7:39

disassembly. That's

7:41

the way the Vikings GM said, you know what, we're taking

7:43

a swing.

7:44

You know, at some point it's time, PAULI don't

7:46

you try to hide your true intention at

7:48

some point he's coming up. I'm just saying

7:50

right now, there's still doubt about it. The

7:52

Minnesota Vikings have targeted

7:55

the top five and they're coming. You

7:57

just better get out of the way right now.

7:59

And guess what.

8:00

What's it gonna take.

8:01

Guess what, mister Quacy, here's

8:03

the deal. If you wait till five, or

8:05

you try and do a deal with the LA Chargers,

8:07

well, guess what. There are four and only

8:10

four franchise quarterbacks that you can be certain

8:12

of. Okay, you can wait around for Michael

8:14

Pennix or bow Nicks or what have you. But

8:17

in this case, let there be a fourth

8:19

QB. And if indeed, JJ McCarthy

8:21

is that guy. And there are plenty, plenty

8:24

of mock drafts that have JJ McCarthy going

8:26

number two to Washington, by the way, including

8:29

Tom pellisera who reported at the league.

8:30

Karni, you know that's real, believe

8:33

it. Yes, And Paulie, the best

8:35

part of all of this discussion right now

8:37

is the fact that Arizona Cardinals are sitting

8:40

in what I do believe is the cat bird

8:42

seat, yep of this draft, being

8:45

there at number four. And you know what's best

8:47

about that, Money doesn't

8:49

have to do anything

8:52

because we'll sit right where we

8:54

are and we're gonna get an impact

8:57

player. Now a lot of

8:59

us, we all kind of think it's gonna be a wide

9:01

receiver, and we all kind of think, you know what, it could be Marvin

9:03

Harrison junior. Okay, now, there's

9:05

a lot of there's a lot

9:07

of debate that is going on out there, a

9:10

huge narrative surrounding that

9:12

pick at number four. But to me, the

9:14

good news is Mani doesn't

9:16

have to do anything. You

9:19

do, though, and that's

9:21

why he's in a great spot.

9:23

And look, if he doesn't do something in Minnesota, there's

9:25

Denver, there's the New York Giants, there's

9:28

the Raiders. So there's

9:30

enough suitors, enough teams desperate

9:32

for a quarterback. And if next year's draft doesn't

9:34

have any, the best quarterback in next year's

9:36

draft is first named Jack, last name Squat.

9:39

Then all of a sudden, guess what, the price

9:41

goes up? And there are multiple reports

9:44

now the Mania support is looking for

9:46

three count them, three first round

9:48

picks, looking for the whole Trey

9:50

Lance deal.

9:51

I was just gonna say, why would you not start

9:54

there?

9:55

Well, think about it. Are the Vikings really going to

9:57

go through all the next season with Sam Darnold, Nick

9:59

Mullins and Jaren Hall.

10:00

In their quarterback round? A nice four?

10:03

Broh Denver is gonna come out of

10:05

the gates with Jared Stidham and Ben

10:07

Denucci.

10:08

Really?

10:10

I mean, your season's over before it starts.

10:13

So guess what. There are teams that

10:15

you can leverage against each other. There's

10:17

limited supply, there's plenty

10:19

of demand. And this

10:21

year, unlike a year ago when you traded out

10:24

and Will Anderson was a target, this is a quarterback,

10:26

so there will be a quarterback surcharger,

10:29

quarterback kicker.

10:30

It's gonna cost you.

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Santan Ford. In Gilbert.

11:02

Pit's intercept of the thirty down the sideline

11:04

to the fifty yard line, it's Murphy bunty

11:06

to the thirty to the twenty to the fifteen.

11:08

Of his hand.

11:09

Sean Purfy punting is my hero tips

11:12

down to a pick.

11:13

Six piney can it deflicted and it

11:15

looks like it's intercepted.

11:16

Sean Murphy bunting up the hands down there

11:18

and seventy five a box and

11:21

it's Murphy bunting down the sideline,

11:24

mine brush going down the middle and

11:26

it was intercepted on a falling

11:28

down tip.

11:29

Sean Murphy bunting pads

11:32

just picked off the pass of Aaron Rodgers.

11:34

Puffles up on the far side and it scoops

11:37

down.

11:37

It's picked up by Murphy bunting running

11:39

right ti left at the thirty home story,

11:42

Oh I.

11:42

Throw an interception and on the return Sean

11:44

Murphy Bunting.

11:45

And there's a pick right on Joe.

11:48

Sean Murphy Bunting and

11:50

boring his hit lost the ball.

11:52

The Tights had picked it up and bawling

11:55

on it.

11:55

Inside the twenty is Murphy Bunny.

11:57

He ripped it out.

11:58

Sean Murphy Bunting has

12:01

made the play.

12:02

He might have caught the voice of Dave passionate voice

12:05

of the Cardinals. And he figures to call

12:07

the name Sean Murphy Bunting a lot

12:09

more this coming season. Ron

12:11

Wolfe, would you say, if you're a cornerback,

12:14

you need to be able.

12:15

To compete, Yeah, Pauli,

12:17

I would say that's a very very good trait

12:19

for a corner.

12:20

Because a few weeks ago, when Shawn Murphy Bunting

12:22

was our guest in the Big Red Rage about five feet

12:24

to your left, he got up after the

12:26

segment and he wanted to show us how he could do

12:28

the kip up like Buddha Baker, and he literally

12:31

did it right on the court right

12:34

here, and he said he's working on it. He's only three weeks in.

12:36

He's gonna have it down by training camping. He's going to compete

12:38

with Buddha in the kip up.

12:39

You know what, PAULI, I'll do that after we talked to coach.

12:42

No, you won't. No, but that is our segue.

12:45

Ryan Smith is our guest Cardinals cornerbacks

12:47

coach. Coach, how are we doing?

12:48

I'm doing well? Thanks for having me.

12:50

He is that sort of guy, isn't he? Sean Murphy

12:53

Bunting effect. When he was asked by the media

12:56

about his connection with Cardinals coaches,

12:58

he said he saw something to

13:00

me that I saw in myself. And

13:03

someone followed up on that, and then he went into how

13:05

he is a competitor, and I'm just here.

13:07

I'll just start there the position itself. I

13:09

mean, what does it require to be

13:11

a top notch corner.

13:13

I think you're hitting it right on the head. A

13:15

competitor, bottom line, right, A

13:17

guy who can show up playing

13:20

in play out, day in day out and compete

13:22

at a high level, you know. And I think that's

13:24

a trait that you seek at seek

13:27

out for that position, you

13:29

know, along with the confidence and

13:31

the resiliency. I think some

13:34

traits that stick out when I think of an elite corner.

13:36

So coach also too. One of the things I would

13:38

think is to have a versatile

13:41

corner as well, maybe a guy

13:43

who could actually walk up over a receiver

13:45

and play some press man and actually

13:47

hold up and do well with that, also

13:50

back off and play in his own room as

13:52

well, and actually makes some plays maybe

13:55

maybe even interception. That way, when you look

13:57

at Sean Murphy Bunting, what do you see

14:00

in terms of his physical talents, how

14:02

does he hold up?

14:03

I mean, Shawn's got a skill set that

14:06

really translates to a high level corner

14:08

in this league. You know, there's

14:10

things that he can do with the line of scrimmage, his coverage,

14:12

his zone instincts, his awareness, you

14:14

know, things that really translated in So we saw

14:17

that in him and in our evaluation during

14:19

free agency, and it was across the

14:21

board from the personnel side to the

14:23

coaching side. We saw the traits

14:25

that were there, and you

14:27

know, as a guy that can come in and really

14:29

be an impact guy on this.

14:31

Defense, versatility really

14:33

matters to this coaching staff, doesn't it.

14:35

Absolutely? Absolutely?

14:37

I mean, versatility is huge from

14:39

our philosophy of being being a defense

14:41

that can adapt to our personnel. You know,

14:43

you can put guys in different spots, put them in different

14:46

situations.

14:47

And a guy that like Sean who has the

14:49

capacity to.

14:50

Learn and and can

14:53

play different different

14:55

techniques, different coverages. And you see

14:57

that on this film in Tampa Bay and in Tennessee.

15:00

And then you get down to the nitty gritty and you talk

15:03

to the people that's been around him the last

15:05

couple of years, and they all spoke so highly

15:07

of him and how he was as a professional. You

15:09

knew that he would come in and he would

15:12

be able to integrate this in this culture

15:14

pretty smoothly.

15:15

Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith our guest

15:17

here in the Big Red Rage Presentabody, santan Ford

15:19

and Gilbert. He started as a nickel

15:21

or slot corner in Tampa, really made his mark.

15:23

But the last couple of years he's played outside, and

15:26

it sounds like he wanted to play outside. He wanted

15:28

that challenge. Just how different they

15:30

might be listed as corners, But how different are those

15:32

two spots inside and outside?

15:36

Well, I mean the guys on the outside,

15:38

you know, are are covering the outside

15:41

bigger receivers. But you know what, there's a

15:43

lot of the skill set

15:45

translates. You know, you see him play on the inside

15:47

and he's covering guys. There's still man instincts

15:50

that you've got to know and you've got to be

15:52

able to feel and do to

15:55

be able to to be able to cover in this league,

15:58

you know, because it's not like, Okay, I'm going

16:00

from the inside to the outside and I'm covering

16:03

a lesser player.

16:04

The slots in this league are just as good as the

16:06

outside guys, you know.

16:07

And I think with Sean's versatility being able

16:09

to play inside and show that on tape,

16:13

but also as a guy that has the length

16:16

to be able to challenge number one receivers

16:18

Excell and Z on the outside, I think that's where

16:20

his is really going to be.

16:22

Able to fit his skill set.

16:24

His backstory is amazing. He was a three sport

16:26

athlete in high school, and because he didn't do a lot of the football

16:29

camps and stuff, he was considered a zero star

16:31

recruit and they went to Central

16:33

Michigan. By the time he's done with college ball, he's

16:36

a Round two draft pick. I mean,

16:38

miraculous, right the rise and his

16:41

game and once again we come back

16:43

to the competitor in him and what coaches

16:45

saw on him. Here's Sean Murphy bunting.

16:47

They see a dog pretty much playing

16:49

as simple. They see a guy that can go out there and shut

16:51

people down. And that's just what I see in myself, and

16:53

that's what I do. And so we believe

16:56

in the same philosophies. They want me to mix

16:58

up some things I know how. They want me to do certain

17:01

techniques that I know how to play. I know how to play pretty much

17:03

everything I've played in many different

17:05

systems. Lead by example,

17:07

Lead the younger guys that they have in the room, show them

17:09

that everything is possible, but at the same time having an experience

17:12

behind it as proof that

17:14

everything that I'm saying is it's happened.

17:16

You know, an offense, JG says, no block,

17:19

no rock. If you're a receiver, you better block.

17:21

If you're a corner, you better tackle

17:24

in this defense, right.

17:24

Coach, absolutely absolutely.

17:26

I mean you can't in the NFL, you

17:28

can't hide, right, So you've got

17:30

to be able to as a corner. You've

17:32

got to be able to come up in a run game, set

17:35

edges, keep the cup as we call it, keep the ball

17:37

on my inside pad. And when I'm asked to tackle, I got

17:39

to I've got to show up all right, because

17:41

if you can't, offenses are good

17:43

enough, they're the ball is gonna find you.

17:45

Right.

17:46

So to answer your question, absolutely.

17:49

So you know a coach for me right now, being a

17:51

former player, I'm fascinated with how things

17:53

work in the NFL, right because

17:55

there's always that curtain as a player, not

17:57

as a coach, but as a player, there's always

17:59

that hurt that's hanging in front of you. How does it

18:01

work? How do these guys actually do it right

18:04

here? So when they determined

18:06

that they wanted to know a little bit more about

18:08

Sean Murphy Bunting, did they come

18:10

to you and ask you specifically, we

18:12

want you to break this guy down

18:15

and help us out in regard tell us what you

18:17

think of this guy. Did they do that?

18:19

Absolutely? Absolutely?

18:20

And I think that's what I love about this organization

18:23

is we're all on the same page. So

18:27

they asked from my opinion, they asked for the opinion

18:29

of Pat Tony. Our secondary

18:31

coach, Nick Rowlis jg

18:34

all of us had a hand in this decision

18:37

that MANI took our input

18:39

and made the move because we were

18:41

all on board and we had a plan and

18:43

we saw a guy that really

18:46

fit.

18:46

What we wanted to do on defense coach, would

18:48

you watch this together?

18:50

Would you all watch it together?

18:51

When breaking it down, there was just well

18:54

not initially, so we all wanted

18:56

to formulate our own opinion. And I think

18:58

that what I love about how this staff

19:00

does it is we don't We're not a staff

19:02

that's just going to sit in the room throw and throw a guy

19:05

up. One guy has an opinion and then

19:07

everybody's a subject

19:09

to group thinks saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go get

19:11

that done.

19:11

Right.

19:11

So we all worked.

19:12

Independently, came back together in the meeting

19:15

room, and we shared our opinions on our thoughts,

19:17

and we there was a consensus

19:19

around the room, you know. So that really

19:21

raises our excitement of you know, we can't wait

19:23

till OTA's kicks

19:25

off the guys get in. We can start

19:28

working with these guys and uh,

19:30

just see the excitement

19:32

of the guys that we have, especially the new guys that are on

19:35

board.

19:35

Cardinals Corners coach Ryan Smith is our guest Some

19:37

Big Red Race presented by Santan Forid and Gilbert. All

19:39

right, let's learn a little bit more about you. You played

19:41

college ball, William and Mary last

19:44

Cardinal's affiliation. I remember was Mike

19:46

Leech, Cardinals long snapper for a good

19:48

decade. Great dude went to William

19:50

and Mary and then you played for a college football

19:52

coaching legend, didn't you detail that?

19:54

Absolutely so, Jimmy Laycock was my head

19:57

coach. If you've played

19:59

at William and Mary, you've probably

20:01

been coached by Jimmy Lacock. He was the head coach

20:03

there for thirty nine years. I think he won two in the

20:05

forty nine games.

20:06

But just some of the names include

20:08

Mike Tomlin and Sean McDermott.

20:10

Absolutely, absolutely, There's there's been a

20:12

lot of coaches that have come through there. You

20:15

know, Dan Quinn was on one of his coaching

20:17

staffs. You know, Joe

20:19

Brady, the offensive coordinator for the Buffalo

20:21

Bills, was a player.

20:23

For him as well.

20:24

So you know, there's been a lot of a lot of guys

20:26

that have come through that program. There's a lot

20:28

of pride that goes with that, you

20:30

know, And I'm proud to be a tribe

20:32

a lum.

20:33

You know what's amazing about that. When I think of Mike

20:35

Tomlin and I think of Sean McDermott,

20:38

I think of leaders of men. That's

20:41

what I think was coach like this.

20:43

Yeah, he was.

20:43

He built a program, he

20:46

built a standard, and everybody

20:48

that walked in the building knew the standard, you

20:50

know.

20:50

And I grew so much in my time there.

20:52

I arrived on campus as a

20:55

as a school start walk on, so

20:58

you know, I had to try out when I got there,

21:00

and I learned the hard way, and nothing was really given

21:03

to me. You know, when I my first day of

21:05

practice, they ran out of practice Jersey,

21:07

so I had a I had one of the ones in the back that

21:09

didn't have a number on it. So I'm run out there without

21:11

a number, you know. So I come from humble beginnings,

21:14

from a from a collegiate athlete

21:16

perspective, and then I was able to work my way

21:18

up and eventually be a scholarship

21:20

guy and a starter, you know.

21:22

So it's it's it was.

21:23

It was a cool journey and through the whole way, you

21:26

know, I really looked at Jimmy Laycock

21:28

as a leader and a guy that I could follow

21:30

and emulate, and you know, it's there's

21:33

there's many reasons why I got into coaching, but

21:35

he was he was one of them. Just seeing how he ran that

21:37

program and the impact that he had on a

21:39

lot of guys.

21:40

In high school. You went to the Blue Ridge School

21:42

in Saint George, Virginia. I would not use the word

21:44

humble for that one. I would use prestigious based

21:47

on online that what

21:49

sort of experience was that.

21:51

Well, you know, I went there for

21:53

my last three years of high

21:55

school, got in there as a sophomore, and

21:59

you know, I grew up with a single mother. It was

22:01

just me and her, and you know,

22:03

we made this decision. We thought it was the best thing

22:05

for my future to go to this school.

22:07

It was good academics and good athletics,

22:10

and it's tucked away in the mountains

22:12

of the western part

22:14

of Virginia. And you know, it's definitely

22:16

a different experience, you know, living on your own

22:18

as a fourteen fifteen year old and

22:21

being in a dorm, not going not

22:23

riding a bus to school like I was used to. But

22:26

it really taught me lessons,

22:30

you know, and really prepared me for college.

22:32

And you know, when I got to college

22:34

as a freshman, my mother just dropped me off and left,

22:37

like she didn't stay for any orientation or anything

22:39

like that. Because I've been out the house the last couple of

22:41

years, so I was you know, it kind of set

22:43

me up and prepared me for walking

22:46

on.

22:47

At William and Mary. And you

22:49

know, I was in the right head space at that time.

22:51

I had matured enough to be able to understand

22:53

that, all right, this isn't given to me.

22:56

This is another challenge that I just have to.

22:58

Overcome and coach. What position did

23:00

you play?

23:01

I played wide receiver and

23:03

I played cornerback.

23:06

Okay, wide receiver and cornerback,

23:08

so two sides of one coin

23:10

obviously.

23:11

Yeah in high school. When I went

23:13

to college, I played cornerback. Yeah,

23:16

college, and I couldn't cover like Sean could

23:18

run. Well, you know, they

23:21

they tried to roll the safety over top

23:23

of me because I wasn't as

23:25

fast as I. They would have liked

23:27

her to be cover too.

23:29

We were playing a whole lot of Cover two to help it out.

23:31

So I was definitely on the cloud.

23:33

Side, all right.

23:34

But but what I did, though,

23:36

what I did because I had to ride that pine from you

23:39

to tackle.

23:40

Though I could, I could, I

23:42

wasn't going to turn that down a little corner.

23:44

I had that mentality, had I had a mentality

23:46

about my game, you know, But it was

23:48

for me. It was uh,

23:51

I had to I had to sit and watch the first couple of years,

23:53

first three to four years, and I was on scout team

23:55

for for a couple of years. So I

23:58

really learned a technique

24:00

part of it because I could not have

24:03

a misstep. If I stepped

24:05

the wrong way, I was done. There

24:07

was no recovery speed.

24:09

And that helps you. Now though, Where's a coach.

24:11

Absolutely absolutely that prepared

24:13

me and especially wanted me to Like

24:16

in my mind, I was like when I when I graduated

24:18

from Williamare, I felt like I could coach. I

24:20

could coach corners at a high level just

24:22

because the technique and the study that

24:24

I that I had to.

24:25

Do just to be able to touch

24:27

the field.

24:29

You know, with something that was able to grow my game

24:31

from a knowledge a knowledge

24:33

perspective that set me up to be a good

24:35

coach.

24:36

Well, you had three rookie corners last year get a lot

24:38

of time, so you know, I mean it's to their

24:40

benefit they have a technician as a coach.

24:42

Give us a quick rapid fire thumbnail on

24:44

Garrett Williams and what you saw last year and what he's

24:47

supposed to do this year.

24:48

Oh, Garrett is a pros pro and

24:50

that was evident through the draft process

24:53

last year. That was evident him

24:55

showing up as a rookie. His

24:58

mentality, his mindset, his determination.

25:01

You know, he's going to be successful in whatever

25:04

he does. Right, So for

25:06

for him, like to speak on Garrett,

25:08

I'm so excited for the future. He's put in

25:10

so much work, you know, and

25:12

then coming off the injury that he had in college,

25:14

getting incorporated into the NFL

25:17

game mid season there and

25:19

then having a full off season of being

25:22

in good health is you know,

25:24

I think the sky is the limit for Garrett Williams.

25:26

And give us a quick skun report on

25:28

Key Troll Clark, especially since you recruited

25:30

him three different times in college at

25:32

three different universities. Oh yeah,

25:34

and you finally ended up together in the NFL.

25:36

Oh you didn't know that stuff.

25:40

Yeah.

25:40

I was at Elon University recruiting

25:45

Key Trail and uh,

25:47

he told me no. And

25:49

then then I then we move on to James

25:52

Madison. So my head coach I was working

25:54

for got the job at jam You going to JAMU was the

25:56

same recruiting cycle, so I try

25:58

to get him at the end of the recruiting cycle I

26:00

was actually in his living room and

26:03

he ends up committing to Liberty.

26:05

During that process, he

26:08

told us no, okay. So then

26:11

then the next time, I was at Virginia

26:13

Tech when he when he transferred from.

26:15

Liberty after he bowed

26:17

out as a freshman, balled out at as

26:20

a freshman. I had just got the Virginia Tech and

26:22

I was fighting tooth and nail for

26:24

Key Traill and he says

26:27

he's going to Louisville. So I was

26:29

old for three and then when he came out here on

26:31

his thirty visit, it

26:34

was like almost felt like

26:36

fate. And then we drafted him and

26:39

we me and Key Trull, we talk all the time

26:41

like, man, this is it is crazy how things

26:43

shook out.

26:44

It was almost like it was meant to be.

26:46

WHOA yeah, yeah, So me and

26:48

Key Trull go go go back pretty far.

26:50

He began last year as a starter and then there's

26:52

playing time declined. If there's one takeaway,

26:54

one area of his game where he can get better going

26:57

into year two, what would it be?

26:58

Well, I think truth, he's

27:00

he's he's he's a guy that has

27:02

worked on every

27:05

part of his game that he thought that

27:08

or that and we've talked about that he can improve

27:10

on, like coming in and getting thrown

27:12

in the.

27:12

Fire as a rookie.

27:15

You know, he's faced a lot of adversity

27:17

and you know, as we talked about at

27:19

the beginning of this this show, is resiliency

27:23

is one of the critical factors

27:25

of being a high level corner. And

27:28

we're talking about a guy who was a rookie that's you

27:30

know, that started last year, you know, beat those

27:32

odds, beat guys out in camp, and

27:36

started the year as a starter, you know, and

27:38

to be able to endure

27:40

what he what he endured right not playing

27:43

towards the end of the year. This

27:45

guy's man, he's in a headset or

27:47

a headspace and a mindset that

27:50

he's he's.

27:51

Hungry, and you know, I'm

27:53

proud of him.

27:54

Of his maturity level and

27:56

how he how he handled everything, and I'm excited

27:59

to see how he's gonna respond and

28:01

how he shows up for OTAs.

28:02

How do you coach a guy when you know that

28:04

he's got to be confident and resilient,

28:07

and you know that confidence is going to help

28:10

him be resilient, yet at the

28:12

same time, you got to tell him the truth.

28:14

Well, yeah, I mean, you've got to You've got to tell him

28:16

the hard truth right in the NFL.

28:18

And what I've learned is be upfront and honest

28:20

with guys.

28:21

But the thing that helps helps us

28:23

out, especially the guy like he Trail and even I'm

28:25

even Star, even Devar Wilson Newt

28:28

like we have those conversations.

28:30

We're not running from those conversations.

28:32

We're willing to address the problem,

28:34

face it head on, and then continue

28:37

to grow our relationships as we as we as.

28:39

We continue to grow. That's

28:41

that side of their game.

28:42

Coach, Thank you, coach. We enjoyed it, really appreciate

28:45

it.

28:45

Well.

28:45

If his mom, by the way, served as a senior chief

28:47

in the US Navy, you could use some of that discipline

28:49

as a young man growing up.

28:50

And dude, thank you. Coach.

28:52

Ryan Smith joined us here on the Big Red Rage.

28:54

We continue all presented by santan

28:56

Ford and Gilbert.

29:01

And up up the middle, b j o Jalari

29:04

is there to grab Rodriguez at

29:06

the line of scrimmage. Snapped the jackson

29:08

he's gonna throw from the pocket, looking in trouble,

29:11

wrapped up and thrown down for a sack.

29:13

Pjo Jalari gets his first

29:16

sack. The rookie out of LSU

29:18

gets a big sack here on Lamar Jackson.

29:21

Closed down Lamar Jackson

29:23

quickly and got the sack. That

29:25

is big time by bj.

29:27

Heinecke playfake in trouble hits

29:30

had sacked by bj Ojalari

29:32

back at the ten yard line, a loss

29:34

of.

29:34

About ten oh. That is a big

29:36

sack.

29:37

Back to pass goes Heinikey with time

29:39

now the pocket collapses head Heinicky

29:42

sack back at the nine yard line. Bj

29:44

o Jalari having a breakout

29:47

game with his second sack forcing

29:49

a punt.

29:50

All the rookie once

29:52

again would not be denied.

29:56

That following week, in the back right corner of the Cardinals

29:58

locker room, the guys are calling a

30:00

two sack Laurie bj Ojalai

30:03

two sack Laurie. And if there

30:05

is one guy who could take

30:07

that big step in year two, my

30:09

vote would be for bj Ojelari

30:11

because the Cardinals as a defense need

30:14

to get to the quarterback. They need that pass

30:16

rusher. The other team has to account for, where

30:18

are you gonna get that guy? Well, these days

30:20

try and trade for that guy out to cost you almost as much

30:22

as a quarterback and then try and find that guy in free

30:24

agency. They don't exist, and if

30:27

they do end up in free agency, they get ridiculous

30:29

money. The latest this week is

30:31

Josh Allen a Jacksonville five years,

30:33

one hundred and fifty million, eighty

30:36

eight million gaeron tied so here

30:38

on the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford

30:40

and Gilbert Paul Calvici Ron Wolfley in special

30:42

thanks to get to Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan

30:45

Smith Wolfe. To what degree

30:48

is getting an edge rusher a priority

30:50

in this year's draft?

30:51

Well, it is critical, Paul. I think there's no

30:53

doubt about that. We're talking about wide receiver,

30:56

we're talking about corner, we're talking

30:58

about edge, and we're talking about

31:00

interior offensive lineman. As far as I'm

31:02

concerned, those are the top four needs

31:04

for the Arizona Cardinals right there.

31:06

And when you talk about edge, first of all, I just want

31:09

to say Bjogelei. I

31:11

expect bj to get significantly better

31:13

this year. He's that type of player

31:16

ball. This is who he is. He's got a

31:18

great football IQ. First

31:20

of all, he loves the game and he's really

31:23

really smart. To me, you're

31:25

gonna take your lumps as a rookie. You're gonna go

31:27

ahead and do that. And I think bj took

31:30

his loomps as a rookie at a hard start

31:32

as a matter of fact, getting out of the practice

31:34

field to actually start, so that really

31:36

set him back as well. I think

31:39

he's going to be a bit of a late bloomer

31:41

on this so I think we're gonna see him really

31:43

grow in year number two. I'm expecting

31:46

that he can set the edge and he

31:48

can get the edge.

31:49

Yet four sex total in limited playing

31:52

time. Some of that dude injury got

31:54

a late start on the year, got a late start during the

31:56

regular season. Even so, his

31:58

position coach ab Rodriguez

32:00

saw enough to be happy with the progress.

32:03

That kid has had to work so hard,

32:05

and people don't realize that's why rookies who

32:07

come into this league don't just jump in here and start

32:09

rushing the passers, because they need to learn how

32:12

to rush with the proper angles.

32:13

You can't just run around people in this league.

32:15

You're not going to play a Division one

32:17

DOAA team every four weeks and get

32:19

a couple of sacks. That's not how it works.

32:21

You have to fight.

32:22

You're playing against the best every week. That

32:24

kid has had to get healthy, he's

32:26

had to mature in this league, and he's had

32:29

to learn those things, and it is a child

32:31

by fire. It's an uncomfortability for such

32:33

a long period of time, some guys can start to doubt themselves.

32:36

This guy's had such a great head on his shoulders

32:38

and he's just worked his butt off.

32:40

I know Kyle Vanenbosch on the Red Sea Report

32:42

has said repeatedly really likes what he saw

32:44

in film, what he saw in the field from bjo

32:46

Joli. Hear ago and look, Cardinals

32:48

have to get better in that department. Not only did

32:50

they have one sack in the final six games, which

32:53

we keep citing, right, but if it's about

32:55

affecting the quarterback, as Jonathan

32:57

Gannon says, now, oh doesn't always come down to

32:59

just the sack numbers. Realized

33:02

that the Cardinals as a defense allowed this second

33:04

highest passer rating in the NFL

33:07

last year, and they allowed the second highest

33:09

completion percentage to opposing

33:11

quarterbacks. So I'm guessing a lot of that is tied into

33:13

how much time those quarterbacks

33:15

had to throw.

33:16

Yeah, Paula, You're right about that, no doubt

33:18

but I also would say, let's go to rundown

33:21

situation as well, first and ten, second

33:23

and one to six. The Arizona Cardinals

33:25

were the last team in

33:27

the league in terms of stopping the run. Wow,

33:29

and you know that. So again, many

33:32

times these offenses

33:34

weren't very good situation to go ahead

33:36

and convert on third down. And a lot

33:38

of these situations, it all starts

33:41

with being able to stop the run. That's

33:43

one of the reasons why your edge guy has

33:45

got to be capable of setting that edge,

33:47

being very very physical on that edge,

33:50

and also being a guy that can get off blocks

33:52

and make a play as well, because it all

33:55

starts there. And that's one of the reasons

33:57

why I'm encouraged with bjo Jalari.

34:00

So let me ask you this then, b jo Jilari Xavin

34:02

Collins, who figures to be in a contract

34:04

year, Dennis Gardak, I mean, you have

34:06

dudes, highly drafted dudes in the first

34:08

two at the position. If

34:11

you're sitting there, either at twenty seven

34:13

or because of a trade, you end up in the

34:15

middle of the first round. Are you going

34:17

after a Byron Murphy the second a

34:20

game wrecking defensive tackle before

34:23

you go for the edge because

34:25

it starts from the inside out.

34:26

You know where I'm going on that one. I

34:29

mean, I'm just PAULI honestly right now,

34:31

I do believe edge is a huge

34:34

area of need. But if you tell me Byron

34:36

Murphy is sitting there, we're

34:38

talking about a three technique, a guy that is

34:41

the Listen, the most difficult

34:44

thing to stop in the football universe

34:47

is a destructive three technique.

34:49

That's all I'm saying right now. If he were

34:52

there in that situation, I

34:54

would have to say, Okay, even though I don't think it's

34:56

this massive area of need for the Arizona

34:58

Cardinals after free agency and what they

35:01

did in free agency, if Byron Murphy

35:03

was there in the middle of the round and you were gonna

35:05

draft, I might say, Okay, hey,

35:07

we got a wrecking ball. And

35:10

you know the way I feel about that, because those three

35:12

techniques they impact not only the

35:14

running game big time

35:17

with the blocking schemes and rundown situation,

35:19

but also that interior push

35:22

that has become so important in today's

35:24

NFL to be able to get in the face of a quarterback

35:27

and do it in the interior, in

35:29

that interior pocket.

35:30

Because this draft does not have an edge

35:33

rusher by most estimates worthy

35:35

of number four. Overall. There's no

35:37

Miles Garrett, there's no Nick Bosa.

35:40

Right the guys that are considered

35:42

the top edge rushers in this draft

35:45

at best are going tenth, eleventh, or twelfth.

35:47

Whether it's Dallas Turner, Leatu

35:51

Latu, whether it's Chop Robinson, Jared

35:53

Burse, these are all guys who are projected

35:55

to go in the middle of the first round at

35:57

best for the most part.

35:59

You know, it's also interesting to Paul. I saw

36:01

a lot of mock drafts that had Chop Robinson

36:03

right around twenty three. I'm just saying,

36:05

you know what, Hey, hey, listen, not

36:07

saying anything. I'm not trying to tip off

36:10

my in any way, shape or form in

36:12

regard to pulling off some type of trade.

36:14

But I'm just saying, at twenty three

36:16

interesting.

36:17

What's interesting is that Cardinals don't currently own twenty

36:20

three.

36:20

That's the Vikings mixed exception. You're

36:22

already I get assumption, sumption.

36:24

That's exactly they're trading out of four and

36:26

doing a package with the Vikings to get eleven and twenty

36:28

three and twenty seven.

36:29

PAULI, is that karma is that? What is that an

36:31

omen?

36:32

Paul?

36:32

What would you call that?

36:33

Right?

36:33

So, Carbinger, think about that. If

36:35

you're at eleven and you go, oh, I don't

36:37

know, you go with a top corner in the draft, harry

36:40

On Arnold or a Quinyan Mitchell, and then at twenty

36:42

three you go with a Byron Murphy

36:44

the second and or a Chop Robinson.

36:47

And then at twenty seven you

36:49

probably won't get Byron Murphy the second, but

36:51

maybe you get a Braidon Fisk out of Florida State,

36:54

you get a.

36:55

Maybe there's a Grand Barton there. I'm

36:57

not twenty so.

36:58

I'm talking about defense in front here.

37:00

Oh okay, Bali, I'm just talking about the first

37:03

round.

37:04

See to me, you could go the whole

37:06

first round and get three defensive

37:09

building blocks corner, D, line

37:12

and edge. You're right, and then wait

37:14

to get receiver at thirty five. I

37:16

think that's where we differ. Yeah, we do

37:18

differ there, PAULI. That's great.

37:20

You could go ahead and you know you're gonna build the

37:22

defense on all three levels. Paul, that's

37:24

great. I'm gonna get Kyler somebody

37:26

to throw the ball to.

37:29

How effective was justin Jefferson last

37:31

year after the quarterback went down. Okay, receivers

37:34

don't make the quarterback. Quarterbacks

37:36

make the receivers.

37:37

And then when you're a young guy, though, you need

37:39

that so badly. You need a guy

37:41

who knows what he's doing, who can get

37:43

open because that allows you to go

37:45

through your read and get the ball out

37:48

quicker.

37:49

Right, do you know deep this

37:51

draft is in tackles and receivers?

37:54

Do you know? Do you do?

37:56

I have to break out the list of the All Pro and

37:58

Pro Bowl receivers who are not drafted in the first

38:00

round. I'm just saying, there is so much

38:02

telly beyond the big three at the receiver

38:05

position. I'm willing to wait because

38:07

you have so many other pressing needs

38:09

in so many different spots. And guess what, the

38:11

supply isn't nearly what it is a receiver. The

38:13

supply is much much less

38:16

at some of these other spots.

38:17

Yeah, in the nineteen eighty five draft, there was a full

38:19

back. His name was Ricky Moore from Alabama,

38:22

Okay, and then the next full back taken was

38:24

Ron wolf Lee from West Virginia,

38:26

Paul. There was a massive difference

38:28

between those guys. You go ahead.

38:31

You've gotta sometimes just eat it and

38:33

draft the better guy. All

38:36

right.

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38:47

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In fact, we'll get a draft memory from Wolf

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when we come back on the Big Red Rage presented by

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As a draft was coming up, I had my family come

39:02

down. We were having some fun

39:04

parties and living it up because

39:06

this was a moment that you know, you don't get an

39:08

experience but once.

39:09

In your life.

39:10

And we had a tea

39:12

time, me and my brothers and my dad that

39:14

morning, and everybody was like, you're

39:17

going to miss the draft. They're going to call your name. You're going to be

39:19

on the golf course. I said, don't worry, I'm not going in

39:21

the first round. I knew that I wasn't going to be

39:23

a first round pick.

39:24

We went and played golf.

39:25

I was extremely tired from partying

39:28

two three nights prior. So I was

39:31

I went to a back room at the hotel

39:33

we were at. There's still five picks in the

39:35

first round. I'm going to go lay down. I'm going to catch a little

39:37

sleep. And so I was asleep when I

39:39

got drafted.

39:40

Jake Plummer, known for being ultra cool,

39:43

calm clutch. He wasn't

39:45

even awake when his name was called

39:47

forty second overall, the Arizona

39:49

Cardinal's second round pick, unknown

39:52

to Jake until his agent came.

39:54

In day've done.

39:55

Came and tapped me on the shoulder and woke

39:57

me up, and I and I came to He said, hey man,

39:59

you're you're an Arizona Cardinal. I said,

40:01

oh wow, okay.

40:04

And now you understand why Jake was so clutch

40:07

in the clutch in the fourth quarter, because he was

40:10

so cool, nothing rattled him. Chill,

40:13

Chill, brouh And I tell you

40:15

that is Jake Plumber, Unfiltered, unplugged.

40:17

And if you go search wherever your favorite

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40:22

Drafting Jake and it's the story of

40:25

his pick in the second round of the nineteen ninety

40:28

seven draft. And by the end of his second season,

40:30

guess what, the Cardinals had their first playoff win in

40:32

nearly half a century. Great story.

40:34

Cardinals would add Pat Tillman, his teammate

40:36

at ASU and the very next draft and

40:39

the rest is history. As they say, we're wrapping

40:41

up this edition of the Arizona Cardinal's Big Red

40:43

Rage Special. Thanks again to the

40:45

cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith for joining us

40:47

earlier. Right, he had a bunch of rookies in his room a

40:49

year ago. Wolf, what's

40:52

your draft mean? Where were I don't know if I ever heard this.

40:54

Where were you when your name was called in

40:56

the fourth round nineteen eighty five?

40:57

Yeah, PAULI you know what. I was in

41:00

West Virginia, West by God Virginia, of course,

41:02

getting ready to actually move back, had a

41:05

U haul. I was packing up on draft

41:07

day and I watched the first couple of

41:09

rounds and my agent told me, ment, you

41:11

could go as high as round three, and I laughed

41:13

at him, Ah, you're just so full of bit

41:16

And I also thought, you know,

41:18

I could go as late as round

41:21

seven or eight somewhere in there. Then

41:23

Bill Parcells called me. He called

41:25

me before the draft started. Bill

41:27

Parcells, and he said, Ron,

41:29

I just want you to know right now, if you don't

41:31

get drafted today, we'd love to have

41:33

you.

41:36

That's what he said.

41:37

Bill Parson thought it's a totally true

41:39

story right there. Of course, what happened

41:41

was Larry Wilson of

41:44

the then Saint Louis Cardinals picked

41:46

up the phone and called me and said,

41:48

Ron, this is Larry Wilson and

41:51

we're getting ready to draft you here in the

41:53

fourth round, one hundred and fourth

41:55

overall. And I said, this

41:58

isn't Larry. I did no.

42:00

I came on. I thought it was one of

42:02

my boys, one of my buddies, actually

42:04

playing a prank on me. I said, this

42:06

isn't Larry. He said, no, Ron,

42:08

this is this is this is Larry Wilson

42:11

of the Saint Louis Cardinal You know. I.

42:13

By the way, kids, they didn't have caller ID in nineteen

42:15

eighty five, that's right, So

42:17

it was common for kids in college

42:19

to bust on each other with these pranks.

42:21

Exactly.

42:21

Yes, yes, and.

42:23

That's the way that went. But the best one I have

42:25

to tell you, and I hope I have time for this, is when

42:27

Craig was drafted by the four time

42:29

Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh

42:31

Steelers.

42:32

Hello.

42:32

We had the whole family at forty five Hotson

42:35

Road in Orchard Park, New York. There they

42:37

all were Pully, and all of a sudden, the phone

42:39

rings. Craig had walked out because he thought

42:41

he was going to go in the third round and we

42:43

were we were literally there in

42:45

the sixth round, right, and it was going

42:48

on and it was the I'm sorry, the fifth

42:50

round, and he was nervous and he walked

42:52

out of there and suddenly the phone rang.

42:54

My sister Joy My answers the phone,

42:57

and she's saying, okay, yes, all

42:59

right, why okay, who is

43:01

this? Okay? And all of a sudden she's giving

43:03

us the thumbs down like this. Come

43:06

to find out. She hangs up the phone and

43:08

we're like, what who was it? She

43:11

said it was the Steelers, they drafted him

43:13

in the fifth round. We were like,

43:16

why are you giving us the thumbs

43:18

down on this on the phone call? She said

43:20

it wasn't the Bills. Oh

43:22

that's what That's what she said, Paul.

43:26

Here it was the four times Super

43:28

Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers,

43:30

who had just drafted Craig in the fifth

43:33

round. Oh my goodness, he

43:35

had gone for a walk in our and in a

43:38

gravel pit in our backyard. We drove

43:40

down that gravel pit and we greg

43:42

you got drafted. He just fell to

43:45

the ground. It was really incredible.

43:47

Meanwhile, your sister hung up on Chuck Noll.

43:49

Chuck Noll basically just was giving it

43:51

a thumb down, you know, and they.

43:53

Stinks get out the

43:55

hometown bills didn't take them. Then

43:57

you know, Okay, it's uh no, that's

44:00

that's good.

44:01

That's the way that it goes. Man, it really

44:03

is. It's one of those days you're not going

44:05

to soon forget.

44:06

And look the last two years the Cardinals have executed

44:08

trades in round one Hollywood Brown

44:11

two years ago, then of course last year

44:13

trading down from three to twelve, coming back up

44:15

to six. It's amazing how many of these mock

44:17

drafts have Mani Jasiford doing the exact

44:19

same thing, training out of four and

44:22

then coming back up to get one of the big three

44:24

receivers around six or seven.

44:26

I would also say it's very interesting to see

44:28

the way this has been a paradigm

44:31

shift here because when

44:34

the mock drafts were first coming out, is

44:37

that Noah Brighter. It's Marvin Harrison

44:39

Junior to the Arizona Cardinals at number

44:41

four. Now, all of a sudden, everybody is

44:43

on that bandwagon.

44:44

Well, three first round picks? Do you pull the trigger?

44:46

If you're Moni and you get three first round picks?

44:49

Do you trade out?

44:50

Sold?

44:51

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