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March madness doesn't
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just pertain to college
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say the Cardinals are doing what at
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we are Santan Ford, Paul Calvin, Ron
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Wolfley, soon to be joined by the voice of the Cardinals,
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Dave Pash. He has seen and broadcast
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a lot of these top prospects games. Always
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great to catch up with Dave this time of year. But
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wolf seriously, there is a lot of madness
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out there when it comes to these mock drafts and everything
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associated with what's coming our way a
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month from now.
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Yeah, PAULI, there really is, and
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you're starting to see some pretty crazy
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stuff out there. Like the Arizona
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Cardinals are gonna go ahead and draft JJ
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McCarthy at number four and then
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trade Kyler Murray after that. Now, look,
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okay, if that happens, I'll give
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you all of your do I'll give you all of
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the credit right there. But my goodness, I
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do not see that happening under any
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circumstance. So, Paul, I think there's
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a little clickbait that is out there as
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well.
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Yeah, that belongs to Mike Tannenbaum ESPN,
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former Patriots general manager or Jets
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general manager, I should say so. I mean in that equation,
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well, basically it boils down to this, you end up
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with JJ McCarthy
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and Lad mcconkee at number twenty
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seven when you could have had Kyler
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Murray in Marvin Harrison Junior.
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That's right.
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I mean, it just makes zero sense on zero
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levels. But it makes the draft great. It's
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why the TV ratings are through the roof, and it's why
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we're talking about it this time of year.
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Yeah, there's no doubt, Paul, it really is. I'm
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so excited. You can see it to the Arizona
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Cardinals going out and addressing some real
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needs that they had. Of course, in
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free agency and now you're
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focusing on the draft going forward.
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Right now, there are still going to be some free
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agent signings. It's interesting when
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you still look at some of the free agents that are
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out there in the National Football League.
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Man, there's some big names that are still
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out there, some guys that you might be interested
3:41
in. But man, the focus now really
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shifts to those young guys in the
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twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
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We're gonna stay pass for his impressions, what
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stood out to him for the Cardinals and free agency, and
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Cardinals spent a lot of money. We'll tell you the numbers
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in that. But right now, it was the league
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meetings this week. Every single team, every
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single GM and head coach was at those
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meetings and during a breakfast
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session with the media. Yeah,
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Jonathan Gannon, we'll get into that a little
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bit. But it was Sean Payton who initially
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made some headlines based on what he said
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to say about the Cardinal's position at number
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four. If indeed there are four quarterbacks
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and there are more than four quarterback
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needy teams, here's Sean Payton,
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head coach of the Broncos.
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I think it's realistic. What's
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hard to predict though, is like
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what's on the receiving end. I
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think it's good to be Monty today at
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Arizona, right, it's hard to predict
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what that cost is. And yet
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I certainly wouldn't say it's unrealistic.
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All right.
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He's talking about the trade up coming from twelve
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in the Broncos case up to four, or another
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team like Minnesota at eleven, the Raiders at
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thirteen, the Giants at number
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six. It just seems to be picking
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up steam run wolfully. Combined with the fact that Maniacifort
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told the media last week that he's officially
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open for business.
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Yeah, he's open for business right there. I
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thought what Sean Payton said was
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really really cool. Number one. It's
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the truth, all right, It's good to be
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Moni, there's no doubt about that. But
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I also thought, Paul, isn't it very
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very interesting? That is, he's addressing
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the fact that it is realistic the Denver
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Broncos might move up
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in this draft or could move up in this
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draft. Isn't it interesting that he cited
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the number four pick. That tells
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me there's no way Denver is targeting
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the number four pick. They're
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targeting the number three pick Paul,
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That's what I think right there, only because
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once again, why would you ever offer
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any aid, comfort or shelter
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to the guy that you're in negotiations
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with for his position. You don't
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want to do that. I think number
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four isn't going to be the Denver
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Broncos Number three.
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Maybe interesting, say, that's an interesting
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take on that. I hadn't thought of that that angle.
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Darren Urban was cuturing the
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spring league meetings and he tracked
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down mantiosa Fort, who told Darren Urban,
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well, quote, it was nice of Sean to
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notice the position we are in.
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End quote.
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And then here's what Jonathan Gannon had
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to say about the draft and maniasin
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Fort.
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It is good to be money right now. He's in season,
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So I leave him alone a little bit. This
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is like his baby, So I say, hey, you just
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do your thing, man, you just do your thing. We feel
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good about it, and obviously
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we talk, you know, every day, but I'm
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I'm excited about.
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Where we're at and what we need
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to add and the plan to do that.
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You know, players get back in the building here in a
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less than a month, which would be cool. That gives
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me a lot of energy so yeah,
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excited about everything that's going on.
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So here's the thing. If I'm maniasa fort, I'm
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telling Sean Payne in every other potential
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suitor, guess what, I got three or four other teams
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on the line. So stay tuned, get
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ready to make me your best offer. And the key
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to all this, Ron Wilfley, You've been saying it for more than
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a month hashtag let there be
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a fourth QB. And
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when Tom Pelisero of NFL
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Network goes on the air this week and said he's
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been talking to a lot of different executives around
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the league and they all feel like Adam
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Peters, covets JJ
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McCarthy even as high as number
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two. Well, guess what. Now
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it's officially on because there's that fourth
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quarterback, and with the Cardinals sitting it for
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then, you just figure they're going to
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get some serious offers because there are only two
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kinds of teams in the NFL, those who have the franchise quarterback
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and those who need one.
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Yeah, you know what, Paully, For the most part, we
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haven't hit April yet, but when
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we do hit April, I believe
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nothing. I believe absolutely
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nothing that I hear out there because
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of the draft supter fuge. You
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know how I feel about this right
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now, And you're talking about Adam Peters,
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the general manager of the Washington
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Commanders. Of course, at number two. For
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the longest time, it was Drake May, right,
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it was going to be Caleb Williams, and it was going to be
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Drake May. And then all of a sudden you heard,
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well, maybe Jaden Daniels is really coming
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out there to number two. And you know
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what, now it's not Jade and Daniels, Are you getting
8:06
me? It's JJ McCarthy who
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continues this unbelievable
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climb up draft boards,
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or at least this is what most
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people are saying that is happening right
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now. But I believe none a
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bit, Paul. For the most part, Do I believe
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that there might be a team that is
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desperate and is willing to
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move up at number four to get a
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quarterback. Yeah, I do believe
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that's the case. I do believe, MANI at
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number four is sitting in a catbird seat
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right now. I do believe the first three picks
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of the draft will be quarterbacks.
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But man, there have been
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bus in the past as they're
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not Christian ponder they
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have. There has been some serious buss
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in the past. I don't know if you want
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to move up, Trey Lance, if you know what
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I'm talking about.
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Here's all I know. If MANIASB does make
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a deal, there's going to be a quarterback surcharge
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tacked on, a handling fee tacked
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on if somebody wants to come up and pay that price.
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And you mentioned Jayden Daniels, you mentioned Melik
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Neighbors. LSU had its pro day today and
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there's Malik Neighbors running a four, three,
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five, forty and then NFL
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Network reporting he is going to have an individual
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meeting with the Cardinals. Where
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we stand right now, Wolf, and I know you're in the danger zone
9:25
on Marvin Harrison Junior, But how close in
9:27
your estimation would a Molik Neighbors or Roam
9:29
a Dunees a B. And if the Cardinals traded
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back to let's say six with the Giants,
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how satisfied would you be with one of the other two
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Big three receivers?
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You know what, Polly, Honestly, I am in
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the danger zone with Marvin Harrison Junior.
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I love the guy. Yet at the same time I am
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going to admit that his approach
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at the combine and his approach on Pro
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Day. It has soured me a little. It
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has everyone keeps talking about
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Polly. It's it's all about football that
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you know. Marvin Harrison Senior, his dad
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of course, and Marvin Harrison. This
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is about football, not training,
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not running a forty time, not going
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I don't want to do that. This is about football.
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Well, if it's all about football, don't
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worry about where you're drafted, then
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don't worry about running a time, don't
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worry about falling in the draft. If it's
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all about football, don't
10:19
worry about it. You've got your entire
10:21
career in front of you to actually
10:23
go out and make the kind of money you want to make.
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So that bothered me. I'd
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love to see us trade down and
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still move up and get a guy like Malik
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Neighbors at Romadonsay.
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Or maybe it's all cover, it's from his agent.
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It's really all business because
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as many have said, he wouldn't have tested as
10:41
well as Aroma Dunesay and he's
10:44
not going to run a four three five forty by
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most estimates.
10:47
So if they're going to drop
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out at number ten, Pauligue, he's going to be a
10:51
top ten pick.
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Let's go to Dave Passion all this voice of the Cardinals.
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Next in the Big Red Rage presented by Santan
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Hed center, shap of the thirty not a sideline
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to the fifty yard line. It's Murphy Bunty
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to the thirty to the twenty to the fifteen
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in the zone, who will stick
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to the turf.
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Brits and got some a home.
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Now, Ron Wolf, I know you have some add
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issues, okay, but if you are paying attention.
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The entirety of that montage right there,
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you might have heard a
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voice. You might recognize
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us, your broadcast partner for a
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good two decades in there calling
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a highlight of Sean Murphy bunting. Welcome
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back into the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan
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Fordy and Gilbert. And welcome to the
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show, mister Dave Pash, voice
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of the Cardinals on that call, a national
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voice. And Dave, you've been calling entirely too much basketball
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these days, so we're here to talk some football for the next
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few minutes.
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Okay, good, let's do it. Paulie.
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Are we doing, boys and doing very very
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good? Thanks for joining us, David, all right.
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I'll keep it real simple. Here's a headline in the
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Azy Central I saw the other
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day, and I quote, are the Arizona
12:33
Cardinals improved after
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free agency? Question mark?
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Dave, what would you say?
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One hundred percent? Yes? I
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think in
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general they addressed needs
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and I loved how they went about
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addressing those needs. They
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paid guys, and they
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did spend money. They paid
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guys who are durable and
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at an age where you should pay
13:05
guys. The Cardinals
13:07
are one of the younger rosters in the league.
13:10
But they have guys they've added
13:12
that are vets that have played in a lot
13:14
of games. Most of the guys they
13:16
signed they're twenty six to twenty seven years
13:19
old, and they played in games and
13:21
didn't miss games because of injury. Those are
13:23
the things that really stood out to me.
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Yeah, you know what, David for me as well,
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I look at it and think they
13:30
had last year, they
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had a lot of depth signing in the offseason,
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right, So they went out and they got some guys
13:37
that were depth players for the
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most part, and they signed them to one year
13:41
deals. Now you've got starters
13:44
from other teams that I think they targeted
13:46
guys today's point, guys
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that were really really durable starters
13:52
though on other teams and signed
13:54
them to three year deals. I think that's how I'm
13:56
going to remember this free agent
13:58
period as opposed to last year's
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free agent period.
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Well, and you know what, you guys are both right, because
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Craig grielou crunched the numbers hashtag
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no math over here, and last year,
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to nineteen free agents, the
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Cardinals committed thirteen million dollars.
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This year, so far, to nine free
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agents, the Cardinals have committed eighty
14:18
two million guaranteed, So
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they have spend money to both your points.
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Let me ask you this much. The fact they
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went out and they got Jonah Williams former
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eleventh pick overall twenty nineteen draft.
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Whether he plays the left or the right? You know, in NFL
14:32
network says Paris Johnson Junior is going left, Jonah
14:34
Williams to go to the right. Do you think
14:36
that means, Dave that the Cardinals are
14:38
not nearly as apt to draft
14:41
offensive line in round one.
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At least early Yes. I
14:46
would say that, you know, at number
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four, if the Cardinals stay at number four, which
14:51
I'm not sure they will because of the number
14:53
of phone calls they're gonna get, I
14:56
don't think they're taking an
14:58
offensive line in there. Interesting, you know, if
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they aren't it for and they trade back, how far
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do they trade back? And you
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know, is that still the direction? You
15:08
know, receiver or corner as
15:10
opposed to offensive
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line? Now maybe later in the first round.
15:14
You know, it depends. It depends on how they view
15:17
Jonah Williams long term. And
15:19
there's you know, how do they evaluate
15:22
Paris Johnson going forward? Is he right as he left?
15:24
Doesn't matter anymore? Whether you're left or
15:26
right tackle, you
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know, interior offensive line? Is there somebody
15:30
at guard or center that they really like late first
15:32
round? But yeah, I don't think early. You're
15:35
looking offensive line?
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You know right now too, guys, I'd love
15:39
to get both your opinions on this as
15:41
we talk about the draft right now and the possibilities
15:44
of the draft. How do you guys feel about
15:46
this in regard to the Arizona Cardinals actually
15:49
making a pick at number four,
15:51
I mean, is that something that you guys expect
15:54
or do you think they are going to trade down? What do
15:56
you think the percentages?
15:57
Paulie, I'll say this, and I said it for at least
16:00
week now. I'm with Dave. I think someone's
16:02
gonna make maniasin Ford an offer he can't
16:04
refuse. I just think that fourth quarterback
16:06
is there now with the ascension of JJ McCarthy,
16:09
there are too many teams who are too desperate for
16:11
a franchise quarterback. Next year's draft class
16:14
is not supposed to be that strong at the quarterback position,
16:16
So TikTok, I think it's
16:18
coming. I think they're going to trade down. It's a matter
16:21
of how far. I mean, ideally they
16:23
could have deal done with the Giants, they get something
16:25
significant in return Dave, and then at
16:27
six they can still get one of those big
16:30
three receivers. However,
16:32
here's my question to you guys. Do you think
16:34
this administration, these decision makers,
16:36
Money and JG even attach top
16:39
six value to the receiver position
16:42
as a team that was number four and rushing last
16:44
year? Do you think they even value receiver
16:46
to that degree.
16:48
I think it depends on who it is. I think the guys
16:50
that we're talking about, Marvin Harrison, Malik
16:53
Neighbors, maybe to a lesser degree
16:55
Roma Doonza, But I would say
16:57
with Neighbors and Marvin Harrison, yeah, they're worthy
16:59
of that pick. But I mean, everything I've
17:02
heard is probably similar to
17:04
what you guys have heard. Quarterbacks
17:06
are likely going to be the first four picks.
17:09
JJ McCarthy's stock he threw,
17:12
he interviewed well, probably interviewed better
17:14
than anybody. His stock is skyrocketed.
17:16
Now. I don't believe
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that he has overtaken
17:22
Drake May and Jayden
17:25
Daniels. It's still
17:27
possible, but I just have
17:29
a hard time seeing though. Given a
17:32
quarterback needy, some of these teams are Minnesota,
17:35
the Raiders, the Giants just
17:37
have a hard time seeing those teams
17:40
not identifying one of those four
17:42
guys. I think we have to go get that guy. So, yeah,
17:44
you're gonna get a ton of phone calls.
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Now.
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The question is, you know, is it one
17:49
spot? Is it two spots?
17:50
Back?
17:51
You know, can you do what you did last year? Can you move
17:53
down you know, significantly and
17:55
then jump back up. They're
17:58
gonna be They're gonna be options. And that's why
18:00
this draft is fascinating for the Cardinals.
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Yeah, David, you know, for me once again, that scenario,
18:06
that's what I'm looking at right now, especially
18:08
when you're talking about eleven, twelve
18:10
and thirteen, when you're talking about
18:12
the Vikings, you're talking about the Broncos,
18:14
and you're talking about the Raiders at
18:17
thirteen right there, Man, that seems
18:19
like a sweet spot. I know the Giants.
18:21
You could talk about the Giants as well, but
18:24
man, it seems like that moving
18:26
down to eleven
18:28
with the Vikings or moving
18:30
down to even Denver number twelve.
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Although I thought it was interesting that Sean
18:35
Payton said, you know what, it's good
18:37
to be MANI right now and we're going to talk about that
18:39
momentarily. I know and
18:42
yet at the same time, to
18:44
me, that's the sweet spot of this
18:46
draft is eleven, twelve, and thirteen
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and then moving back up and maybe
18:52
getting a rom a doonesay, I would
18:54
be all for that.
18:55
It was interesting too that Sean Payne
18:57
said more than once it's realistic that
18:59
they'd be able to trade up. I
19:02
take that as you know what Moni means it when
19:04
he says we're open for business and
19:06
a deal can be done, and if
19:08
the Cardinals trade down. I still think the sleeper
19:10
positions a draft day PASH would
19:12
be corner and edge. And one of the
19:14
great things about having you on is you called a lot
19:17
of these guys games, especially in the SEC
19:19
tell us about Dallas Turner and Terry
19:21
On Arnold arguably the top edge
19:23
and corner in this draft.
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Yeah, it's interesting. We met with Dallas
19:28
Turner when we had Alabama earlier this year
19:31
and obviously very
19:33
talented. I just comparing
19:35
him to Will Anderson, like when we met with Will
19:38
Anderson last year. Everything about
19:40
him, his play, the type of person
19:42
he was, his personality, just
19:45
he was electric. It just jumped
19:47
out at you, Dallas
19:50
Turner. There are some
19:52
people think Dallas Turner will
19:54
be a better NFL player than Will Anderson.
19:57
His personality may not be as dynamic,
20:01
his leadership style might
20:03
be different than Will Anderson, but he's
20:07
incredibly talented Arnold as
20:09
well. You know, I think Cooley McKinstry
20:11
got a lot of headlines
20:14
last year, and then I think people realize
20:17
that maybe the speed isn't, you
20:20
know, worthy of a top ten or top
20:23
fifteen pick compared to some of the other guys.
20:26
But look, Alabama, you know, has
20:28
a rich history of sending
20:31
players to the NFL who are NFL ready
20:33
because they've been in an NFL system, not just
20:35
to Nick Sabment, but the way they do everything
20:38
at Alabama, it's set up for college
20:40
players to make the jump. And so
20:43
if you draft the kid from Alabama, whether it's
20:45
either of those two guys, and I think
20:47
both are talented enough to succeed in the NFL,
20:50
you're getting a player that's ready
20:52
to compete at that level.
20:53
Yeah, I would totally agree with that, David right
20:55
there. You guys know, I'm not a huge fan of
20:58
Nick saban Yet at the same time, I
21:00
am willing to say that, boy,
21:02
he turns out NFL ready players.
21:06
No doubt about that and look,
21:08
I mean speaking of you got a guy
21:10
coming from Alabama and to Mack Wilson right getting
21:12
back to free agency real quick, You know, Dave,
21:15
I should ask you just on the list of guys,
21:17
the premier guys the Cardinals signed,
21:19
if there's a name that jumps out to you. I
21:21
mentioned Jonah Williams, but Sean Murphy,
21:23
Bunting, Justin Jones, Ballall Nichols,
21:26
Mac Wilson, you know, the edge
21:28
guy. And then Desmond Ritter, who we talked with
21:30
this week's seventeen career starts the last two
21:32
years coming out of Cincinnati for Atlanta. Is there another
21:35
name that sort of caught your attention?
21:37
Well, the Desmond Ridder thing. To
21:40
me, he is the perfect
21:42
backup because if
21:45
something happens to your starter, he
21:48
can get you, not just through a game, he
21:50
can get you through a series of games. He's
21:53
really talented and he's a winner. You look at
21:55
what he did at Cincinnati. I
21:57
think that was a tremendous move
21:59
to get Desmond Ridder. You
22:01
know, I think Clayton Tune's got a chance, but
22:04
he's we saw when he played he's a
22:06
ways away. Desmond Ridter is more
22:08
ready to step in, uh and
22:10
be that guy. You know, it's interesting
22:13
people. I talk
22:15
to a lot of people who kind of go either way on Justin
22:17
Jones. But but but that one, to me,
22:21
I'm really intrigued by him. Uh,
22:24
you know, with the sacks last year, even though his
22:26
his past rush. If you go look at
22:28
analytics and look at like win rate
22:31
percentage and
22:34
the grades you know that they put
22:36
out, they didn't jump off the page.
22:38
But as you know, Wolf, those
22:41
can be misleading. I
22:44
He's a guy that I'm really intrigued
22:46
by. But I think Desmond
22:48
Ridder for me, is that the first
22:50
person that comes to mind when you talk
22:52
about most important person that
22:55
you side. Look. The hope is Kyler makes it through every
22:57
game, plays every snap of seventeen games.
22:59
But just day and age boy, that's
23:02
hard to imagine. It just doesn't happen very
23:04
often. And Desmond Ridder can get you
23:07
through more than just a game. He can get you through a
23:09
month if he needed.
23:10
Yeah, you know I love that, David, the fact that
23:13
Desmond Ridder. You're focused on Desmond
23:15
Ridder even though he's a backup and going
23:17
to be a backup to Kyler Murray. Right
23:20
now, we all know, at some point in time, you're
23:22
gonna need that backup to go into games
23:24
and to allow you to
23:26
be competitive, go out there and maybe even
23:28
win the thing. Desmond Ridder, I
23:31
think is uniquely qualified to
23:33
be the guy for this team.
23:35
And the reason why I say that is
23:37
because, look, you know,
23:39
Kyler Murray is blending the old and the
23:42
new. We're talking about under center, we're
23:44
talking about in the gun, in the pistol.
23:46
He's doing that right now in this offense.
23:49
Over the last four games of
23:51
the season, the Arizona Cardinals offense was
23:54
the number one offense in terms of yards.
23:56
Over the last four games of
23:58
the season, Kyler Murray
24:00
was evolving as a player, and so was
24:03
this offense. You know what, This
24:05
is what I love about Desmond Ridder because
24:07
down with Arthur Smith in Atlanta,
24:10
you're talking about a coach that asked
24:12
his team to do it all, talking
24:15
about different personnel groups and rundown
24:17
situation, talking about lining
24:19
up in the pistol, lining
24:22
up in the gun under center, asking
24:24
his quarterback to do it all. And from
24:26
what I hear, Desmond Ridder has got
24:28
a big brain. So this
24:31
is going to be good for this offense going forward
24:33
because you need a quarterback that can execute
24:36
and orchestrate your offense.
24:38
To wrap it up here with Dave Pash, I know something you guys
24:40
did not love last season, and that was
24:42
the kickoff. Nearly two thousand
24:45
touchbacks last year in the NFL,
24:47
return was executed twenty two percent
24:50
of the time. The NFL now expects more
24:52
than sixty percent of kickoffs will be returned
24:55
with a new kickoff rule. Dave,
24:57
your reaction.
24:58
What I like about it, guy, is it feels
25:01
more like a scrimmage play, like there's going
25:03
to be real hitting. It's going to be real football,
25:05
as opposed to for
25:08
the most part, the foregun conclusion that you're
25:10
going to have a touchback and there's not
25:12
going to be any contact, so there's
25:15
there's room for air. There's,
25:17
you know, still the element
25:20
of a surprise where you have a big hit
25:22
and there's a fumble or
25:24
a guy makes a mistake by
25:28
you know, deciding to
25:30
feel a ball that's angled to the
25:33
sideline inside the five, where you just
25:35
didn't have as much of that the last few
25:37
years. So I think it's exciting.
25:39
It's certainly better than it was. Looky,
25:43
I wish that we weren't in this situation. I wish
25:45
that concussions
25:47
weren't as big of an issue as they are, but it's reality.
25:49
So if you're going to change the rules and
25:51
get away from what you know you did when
25:54
Wolf played, I think this is a good
25:56
alternative in my opinion.
25:57
Hey, fair catches are no longer allowed.
26:00
Any ball caught in the field of play
26:02
must be returned, and a touchback
26:04
comes out to the thirty. So there's a lot
26:07
of incentive to return that ball or
26:09
make the opponent return it. So we'll
26:11
see how that plays out, and we'll see how the whole quarterback
26:13
thing plays out, because the latest mock draft that I've
26:15
seen as JJ McCarthy's second, and
26:18
then Drake may fall in. We'll see how that all
26:20
goes. Dave Pash appreciate the time in
26:22
the Insight. We continue with the big Red
26:24
rage presented by Santan Ford in
26:26
Gilbert.
26:31
After review, it is an incomplete
26:33
pan. So
26:37
Gannett one for one saved
26:40
his best and only for last first.
26:42
Time he used the red flag and it worked out.
26:44
Huh yeah, one for one.
26:45
It had been twenty years since the head coach had gone
26:48
entire season, so I know they reminded you
26:50
of that recently.
26:51
I put myself behind the team there because I really
26:53
didn't want to throw it.
26:55
He was reminded of it by the TV production
26:58
crews every single well in December
27:00
and January. But there was the red
27:03
flag out of his pocket on the field. Jonathan
27:05
Gannon, he's batting the thousand going into his second
27:07
season. Dave Pash and
27:10
Ron Wolfley there, wolf here. We thanked
27:12
Dave Pash for his time moments ago on this
27:14
edition of The Big Red Rage presented by santan
27:17
Ford in Gilbert. We are santan Ford,
27:20
Ron Wolfley more than just a few
27:22
headlines when it comes to quarterbacks and the
27:24
draft and free agency. At the league
27:26
meetings, we got some rules changes
27:29
and as someone who made a name for himself
27:31
made a living on kickoff cover,
27:33
Ron Wolfley just your initial
27:36
thoughts. We talked a little bit with Dave Pash
27:38
about it, but the kickoff by
27:40
all accounts had essentially become a dead
27:43
play in so many different ways
27:45
the last couple of years, and now they
27:47
try to pump some life into it with a brand
27:49
new alignment and format.
27:52
Yeah, Paul, you know, for the most part it
27:54
falls short to me, it falls short.
27:57
But man, it's a step in the
27:59
right direction because it sure beats the alternative,
28:02
Paul. They were coming up with plays
28:04
and you know you were gonna have to, you know, trying
28:07
to eliminate the kickoff, and whether I
28:10
just this is the best
28:12
route you could possibly take,
28:14
I think at this point in time. But it still
28:16
falls short. I do. I think they've
28:19
overreacted on a lot of this
28:21
in the National Football League. I'm all for player
28:23
safety, PAULI you know that this is
28:26
integral to me. It is it is
28:28
something I understand personally,
28:30
and yet at the same time, I
28:32
just think that it falls
28:35
short. Eliminate the wedge, Paul.
28:37
You can never bring the wedge back.
28:39
Eliminate two guys that stand
28:41
shoulder to shoulder in an
28:44
attempt to double team a guy. Eliminate
28:46
that, because if you ever put two guys shoulder
28:49
to shoulder. To me, Paulie, I'll kill
28:51
one of them. Okay, one
28:53
of them is gonna get killed, and
28:55
it's gonna be my eyes that will kill
28:57
him. I'll look at the one guy and hit
28:59
the other guy, or I'll look at that guy
29:02
and hit the other guy. It's just it's
29:04
something that is hard
29:07
to describe unless you experience it
29:09
out on the football field. So
29:12
listen to me. I wanted to see
29:14
a full kickoff
29:16
cover once again brought back because
29:18
it's the most exciting, the most
29:20
brutal play there is in the game
29:22
of football, and to me, I love that. Yet
29:25
at the same time, this
29:27
is an acceptable way to
29:29
go in terms of not eliminating
29:31
the kickoff and doing something
29:34
that's football.
29:35
It's gonna look really different. There's gonna be a
29:37
setup zone, there's gonna be a landing
29:39
zone, all right. The ball is still gonna be kicked
29:42
from your own thirty five yard line, but your
29:44
ten kick coverage players are gonna be lined
29:46
up at the opposing forty, with
29:48
five on each side of the field. Then the return
29:50
team is going to have their nine
29:52
blockers in the setup zone between
29:55
the thirty and thirty five, at least seven
29:57
of those players touching the thirty five, and
29:59
then the two kickoff return men allowed
30:01
inside the twenty. Only
30:04
the kicker and the two kickoff return men
30:06
would be allowed to move into the ball hits
30:08
the ground or it's touched by a returner
30:10
inside the twenty. And all this
30:12
is based really on the XFL and what
30:14
they did. And for example,
30:16
in twenty twenty they were talking about an NFL
30:18
network there were over four hundred kickoff
30:21
returns and not a single head injury
30:23
reported. Yeah, so it's
30:26
player safety driven in so many
30:28
ways.
30:28
Yeah, it is, Polly. And once
30:31
again, it's really more like a punt return.
30:33
Now that's what it is. Yes, they're lining
30:35
them up and you get to run this way, and
30:38
I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna drop
30:40
back. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go ahead
30:42
and drop back. It's gonna be really interesting
30:45
to see what they do, how special
30:47
teams coaches may tweak it at
30:50
all. It's gonna be very interesting. And again
30:52
I want to say this, it sure beats the alternative
30:55
pall of eliminating the
30:57
kickoff. We're gonna see the kickoffs
31:00
again come back, a big
31:02
time special teams play come
31:04
back in vogue. And I like that
31:07
poll because once again, eliminating
31:10
the kickoff is unacceptable
31:12
to me.
31:13
Dare I say the Cardinals have a competitive advantage
31:15
because they have a big thinker, high IQ guy and
31:17
special teams coordinator Jeff Rodgers. And there's
31:19
already a lot of talk about how there's going to be
31:22
actual plays that are designed. Pin and
31:24
Poll, you might put offensive linemen out
31:26
there on the return team. Yeah, I mean there's
31:28
a lot of different The reverses and end
31:30
a rounds are going to be more prevalent and prominent.
31:33
So and Paul, do you
31:35
know what I like the most, big guys. I
31:38
love the fact that there is a landing
31:40
zone the goal line to the twenty
31:42
and if it's kick there, you must
31:45
return it.
31:47
Any ball caught in the field to play, You're right,
31:49
must be returned. So let's go get y up. Because
31:51
they're only twenty two percent of the kickoff's
31:53
return last year, they're expecting sixty
31:55
plus percent under this current format.
31:58
So there you go. And now we're going to get an
32:00
expanded role of replay
32:02
assistance. Who are going to be permitted
32:04
to correct incorrect calls for roughing the pass
32:06
or intentional grounding those
32:09
areas that are indisputable, not of opinion.
32:11
It either happened or it didn't. They're going to review
32:13
the video and then go down to the sideline
32:16
if needed.
32:17
I love this, Paully. This is a step in the
32:19
right direction. This is where the NFL,
32:21
I think is going to continue to grow.
32:24
Now the big eye in the
32:26
sky as we like to say, right
32:28
the sky judge as some people
32:30
have called it. You know what, you're
32:32
not going to be able to radio down,
32:35
call down and say you need to throw
32:37
a flag. You're not going to be able to radio
32:39
down, call down and say we need to review
32:42
this. It's only it's
32:44
only when you get a flag
32:46
on the field, and for
32:48
the most part, it's going to be hits out of bounds,
32:50
it's going to be intentional grounding of course,
32:52
and roughing the passer. Those three
32:55
things in particular, to me, that's
32:57
a great step in the right direction. It's
33:00
when a flag is on the ground and guess
33:02
what probably shouldn't
33:04
be on the ground, that's when they're going to get involved.
33:06
And I think that is a great approach
33:09
by the NFL.
33:10
For example, one of the most vexing calls is rough
33:12
in the passer when indeed nothing really
33:15
correct Nick. You know, oh the quarterback
33:17
got hit in the head. No, upon replay review,
33:19
he did not get hit in the head, and so boom, you'd
33:21
be able to correct that immediately in
33:23
the moment. You're empowering the replay assistant
33:26
to fix those clear and obvious
33:28
mistakes.
33:29
And Paulie, just think about this right now,
33:31
how important that is. And I'm not talking
33:33
about just in a game. I'm not
33:35
talking about just to players or
33:37
head coaches, Paul, or general managers
33:40
or owners, Paul. I'm talking about
33:42
for the fans.
33:46
Here's the last thing you want to do. You
33:49
don't want to break the hearts
33:51
of NFL fans who
33:53
have come to recognize
33:55
a certain style of play in the National
33:58
Football League. And suddenly you
34:00
go ahead and your quarterback gets
34:02
roughed, and and you
34:05
know there's no flag that breaks fans'
34:08
hearts. But now all of a sudden, what happens
34:10
if your guy hits another quarterback
34:13
and you're like, there were no way that was roughing.
34:15
Now, all of a sudden, they can review that. You don't
34:18
want fans getting broken hearts
34:20
because fans buy tickets
34:23
and they buy merchandise.
34:24
Yes, because you don't want them walking away customer
34:27
satisfaction. You're absolutely right, And then there's nothing
34:29
worse. As a player, you know, you did it for ten years.
34:31
You work all week and then a game is decided
34:33
on an erroneous call. So I
34:36
like that anytime where they're trying to get the correct
34:38
call. I'm all on it. And then in terms
34:41
of player safety, they also eliminated the swivel
34:43
hip drop tackle. Now,
34:46
I know there's much ado about nothing.
34:48
In some cases JJ Watt tweeting out
34:50
just fast forward to the belts with flags
34:52
on them and tweet jj Watt. But
34:55
typically this amounted to maybe
34:57
one instance per game of
34:59
a hip drop tackle.
35:01
Yeah,
35:03
here's what I don't like about APOL. Once again,
35:07
you're putting the onus on the
35:09
defensive player. You're
35:11
you're putting another responsibility
35:14
on the defensive player in terms
35:16
of okay, no headshots. Now all of
35:18
a sudden, how you tackle a guy? You
35:20
should just go tackle a guy. I'm
35:22
glad that they're eliminating the hip
35:24
drop. I can't stand the hip drop tackle.
35:27
Yet at the same time, I am willing to say, right
35:29
now, my goodness, I'm glad that
35:32
I didn't play defense
35:34
on these under these rules.
35:37
Yeah, I feel for the defenders. I feel for
35:39
the officials. That's gonna be a tough one to
35:41
rule. In the We'll see, hey learn
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All right, we'll get into the draft and the big
35:55
three are receiver. Next on the big red
35:57
rage. Go to
35:59
the other side of the picture.
36:00
This one blew me away. Did you gotta
36:02
look at Johnny Gannon?
36:04
Take a look at this dude over here.
36:06
Damn jj This
36:09
blew me away. Biceps like
36:11
crazy. This is a pre photo pump.
36:13
You cannot tell me it's not a risk. He
36:16
got out and he did the close scripts.
36:18
He did like the diamond push ups right down there
36:20
before he came out.
36:23
We don't even do arms.
36:25
You should see my hamstring.
36:28
The pre photo pump is like fight
36:30
club. You don't talk about the pre photo pump. You
36:32
know, you never admit to it. And
36:34
as you go, and you're a player in this league, you understand
36:37
this is this is the truth. You have pre photo pumps,
36:39
you have pre video pumps. You have you have
36:41
pre game pumps where guys are doing dips and
36:43
push ups and curls in the locker room, anything
36:46
you can do to try to get that vein to pop out
36:48
right before you either take the field or
36:50
get a photo. But You never talk
36:52
about it, you never admit to it. You just act like gots.
36:55
I just rolled out of bed and I'm this jacked. Every single
36:57
day.
36:58
It's Kyle Vanderbosch this week on the Rids Report,
37:00
just blowing the lid off the scandal that is the pre
37:02
photo pump. Oh my, you know that's
37:04
good stuff right there in the trust tree. Hey,
37:07
I'm guilty of the pre photo pump before
37:09
JV basketball team picture.
37:12
We all went into the rate room and grabbed the bicep,
37:14
curl in a bar and try
37:16
to pump up for this as a fifteen or sixteen
37:18
year old. So yes, let me tell you this
37:21
much. We saw Jonathan Ganna last
37:23
week at the Cardinals golf turning or
37:25
there Ron Wolfley, and like cal
37:27
Brandt, he detailed right there.
37:29
JG is definitely winning the off season. I
37:32
gotta get got to get some best practices
37:34
on his off season workout, because yes,
37:37
he struck quite the pos in the head
37:39
coach's photo this year at the league meetings.
37:42
Yeah, and that's what you're want to do when you're
37:44
in shape, Paul. You know it's unlike me, of
37:46
course, my pre photo pump.
37:48
Paul would be taking my tongue
37:51
and sticking it all the way up to the top
37:53
of my mouth, the roof of
37:55
my mouth. So that's suddenly my throat
37:57
isn't sagging, Paul, that's my photo.
38:00
I thought I was adding something with a salty snack in
38:02
there, you know. So all right, Kyle Brandt
38:05
excellent at call performance broadcasting,
38:07
as he named Jonathan Gannon first team All
38:10
Fitness center in the hotel based
38:12
on that team photo right there, the head coaches
38:14
photos, So that's really well done. As
38:17
for other headlines, JG meeting
38:19
the media and he revealed Ron Wolfley
38:21
there will be a joint practice this year for the Arizona
38:24
Cardinals at an AFC team to be named
38:26
later. He said, it's a very good team. So
38:29
we just openly campaigned, please no
38:32
humidity fest like in Miami, Jacksonville,
38:35
or Houston. We're pulling
38:37
for the Chargers. I don't know if you consider the Chargers
38:39
a really good team, but maybe with Jim Harbaugh
38:41
now they can go out to Costa Mesa, that'd be good.
38:44
You know what, Pauly, that's really
38:46
interesting right now. Would your categorize
38:49
the Chargers as
38:51
a team that is a good AFC
38:53
team? Very good.
38:55
Potentially potentially with Justin Herbert,
38:57
you know, you might be able to use that terminology.
39:00
Maybe Yeah, I'm just saying right now,
39:02
man, this is very interesting. Whom
39:04
could it possibly be? I
39:06
don't know, but I love this. I love the
39:08
fact that they're going to have these
39:10
joint practices because I think you actually
39:12
get more out of the joint practice than
39:14
you do actually playing one preseason
39:17
game.
39:17
I agree. And you know what Chargers are picking right
39:19
beyond the Cardinals? Cardinals at four, Chargers
39:22
at five. What do the Chargers need more than anything
39:24
from the outside looking in a number
39:27
one receiver after they got rid of
39:29
Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. You
39:32
know, well, let's talk about Marvin Harrison
39:34
Junior. And you know, in comparison
39:36
to a Romadonesa, in comparison to
39:38
a Elik Neighbors. You ask Malik Neighbors,
39:41
he is really fired up doing all his interviews
39:44
that he thinks he's on par if not better
39:46
than the other two guys. He looks like a really
39:48
driven, potential Rookie
39:51
of the Year type candidate. And then Roma Dunes
39:53
they put on a show at the combine. See
39:55
to me, I know, a lot of the Red Sea has already decided
39:58
that they want Marvin Harrison Junior. But to me, I'll
40:00
take any of those three receivers. I really
40:02
will.
40:04
Yeah, Paul, I'm with you on that. You know, once
40:06
again, a football player, it's
40:08
the threefold nature of man, body, soul,
40:10
and spirit. You've got to have all three of those
40:13
things aligned right now. And
40:16
for the most part, when I look at Marvin Harrison
40:18
Junior, I see a guy that
40:20
I do believe has all three of those
40:22
things. He's got the body, of course, he's
40:24
got the soul, he's got the spirit.
40:27
Rom macdonzay to me, is a huge
40:29
guy in terms of what
40:32
he's going to give and how he's
40:34
going to go about his business. He's
40:36
very appealing to me. As a matter of
40:38
fact, I'm gonna
40:40
say it, he reminds me of Larry
40:42
Fitzgerald. He does.
40:44
Roman Doonza, Roma Doonzay.
40:47
Would you agree with that, Polly.
40:48
By the way, it's interesting because I've heard a couple of draft
40:50
analysts say that Roman Doonzay
40:52
reminds them of Larry Fitzgerald. But I think
40:54
the Red Sea when they see
40:57
Marvin Harrison Junior, they
40:59
think Larry Fitzgerald, which
41:01
is part of their affinity for Marvin Harrison
41:03
Junior. That's my theory.
41:05
Yeah, I think you're right on that, Polly. But once again,
41:07
I think body type. Look
41:09
at Roma Dunza very similar
41:12
to Larry Fitzgerald. When I look at Marvin
41:14
Harrison Junior, I see somebody who's
41:16
got a little bit more length to him.
41:19
Roma Dunes a body type I
41:21
think is more towards Larry Fitzgerald.
41:23
And I think also too, the physical
41:26
speed, the physical
41:28
ability of course, things of that nature.
41:31
I think it's closer to Larry Fitzgerald,
41:33
which is really really good. I look at
41:35
the Leak neighbors, and man, this guy
41:38
is the most explosive of
41:40
all three of these guys. This guy
41:42
he ran a four to three five, had a forty
41:45
two inch vertical ball at his pro
41:47
day. But a four to three five I
41:49
thought was actually a little slow. Wow
41:51
from the lake neighbors. I thought he was going
41:54
to run maybe a four to nine,
41:56
a four to eight somewhere in
41:58
that vicinity right there, because I had
42:00
heard he was running and busting
42:03
a little four to three, So to
42:05
me, it was interesting to see it. We're
42:08
gonna find out who's going to be the guy
42:10
the first wide receiver taken in
42:12
next month's draft. I cannot wait, and
42:15
I'm thinking it's Marvin Harrison Junior.
42:17
Here's the thing, Brian Thomas junior league
42:19
neighbors teammate at LSU, he actually
42:21
had more touchdown catches last year. Now, did Melikue
42:24
neighbors get the bulk of the attention from the defensive
42:26
secondaries. Maybe, but you
42:28
got a guy who's nearly six ' three in Brian
42:30
Thomas Junior, who ran a four to three to three.
42:33
Yes, supposedly catches everything away
42:35
from his body. His hands are not a liability.
42:38
So honestly, when I look at
42:40
what's missing in the Cardinals cornerback
42:42
room, when what's missing when it comes to an
42:44
edge rusher, I just think the Cardinals
42:46
first pick in the first round will be one of those two
42:48
positions, and then their second pick in the first round
42:51
is more likely to be receiver. That's and
42:53
I think it'll be one in the next tier receivers Brian
42:55
Thomas and company.
42:56
You know what, PAULI I love that right
42:58
there too. I really do, because Brian Thomas
43:01
Junior also is a tree
43:03
running across the secondary he's
43:05
got a very big canopy as
43:07
well. He's got size to him.
43:09
Brian Thomas Junior. It's one
43:12
of the hallmarks of this draft is going
43:14
to be how many wide receivers
43:17
are going to get drafted, I think in the
43:19
first round, and we might see a
43:21
record.
43:21
Ball, no doubt. I
43:23
think the record is well, the record for offensive
43:26
tackles is seven. A lot of people expect
43:28
that to be broken. And then receiver
43:30
could be right up there as well. And then look, if
43:32
you don't get receiver until thirty
43:34
five, like top of the second round, and you get
43:36
a guy like Lad McConkey or Ricky
43:39
Piersoll.
43:39
Of Florida, Key Pearsow.
43:41
These guys are some of the most polished route
43:44
runners in the draft. Both ran really
43:46
well, have excellent hands.
43:48
I could definitely see the Cardinals going that route as
43:50
well.
43:51
Yeah, Pauline, don't forget about Graham Barton.
43:54
Did you see a paul Did you see Graham Barton?
43:57
He's climbing up the tree.
43:59
Is you know what? Wolf Matt Miller, the ESPN
44:01
Draft guy, his mock draft today has a
44:03
Cardinals trading out of number four given it to
44:05
Denver. JJ McCarthy is a fourth pick overall
44:08
to Denver. Cardinals get Brian Thomas
44:10
Junior at number twelve. They also get a twenty
44:12
twenty five first a twenty twenty
44:14
six first round pick from Denver, and then at number
44:16
twenty seven envelope please, they
44:19
take Graham Barton according
44:21
to Matt Miller, and I wonder, because you've interviewed him
44:23
a few times, if you influenced this selection.
44:26
Yes, I have no idea, Polly, but I
44:28
saw that as well. I saw that from Matt
44:30
Miller here man, and I would like
44:32
to say, Okay, I don't like the twenty
44:34
twenty six first round picked off. That
44:37
just seems too down the road. We need
44:39
something now.
44:40
I agree.
44:41
I agree.
44:41
Bucky Brooks put out of three point zero this week
44:43
from NFL dot com and he is
44:46
JJ McCarthy is the third quarterback, Drake
44:48
May falling to eleven, and
44:50
the Cardinals taking Marvin Ayerrison Junior number
44:52
four overall, and then at twenty seven take in the d
44:55
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44:57
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44:59
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