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1:04

So as we speak here during this Cardinals

1:07

Cover two presented by a Hyundai recording

1:09

on a Monday late morning,

1:11

Zach, We're in the midst of a solar

1:14

eclipse partial eclipse

1:17

here in Arizona. But as I look outside

1:19

the window behind you, it's pretty

1:21

bright out, so I'm not expecting much

1:23

at least here in Arizona. But it is

1:26

the talk of the world,

1:28

literally the world.

1:29

On what's going on here on this Monday, April

1:32

eighth. I have an unpopular

1:34

opinion, Oh, here we go. I don't

1:36

see the hype. See Oh did

1:38

you do that on purpose? No, pun intended to see because

1:41

you're not supposed to know, you're a good good call. No,

1:44

that's an eyslapper. Okay, Now,

1:46

I don't see the hype with the solar

1:48

eclipse. If you want to see dark,

1:51

just go out at nine pm at night

1:53

and just look outside. And even then

1:55

you don't need glasses.

1:56

Just go do it. It doesn't happen. Okay,

2:00

it happens a lot, but in the US

2:03

it doesn't happen a lot. In fact, the

2:05

next time is in twenty years. So yes, it's

2:07

a big deal. But watching

2:09

the crowds in Mexico,

2:12

Texas and that entire

2:15

totality, I

2:18

I'm not basing my travels

2:20

schedule or my day around

2:23

a solar eclipse. If it happens, great.

2:25

I agree, I agree, I could. I'm

2:28

happy for other people that are happy and

2:30

like want to see it, and like they can tell their

2:32

kids and their grandkids and I will

2:34

just tell mine like it happened, like

2:38

google it, Google it. Like at

2:40

this point, I'm sure with you know, twenty years

2:42

from now, like with with VR

2:44

and everything like that, you

2:46

might be able to have a solar eclipse any day of

2:48

the week you want, or just cover

2:51

your eyes and say it's dark outside.

2:53

Okay. That is a very unpopular

2:56

take, and I know that, Like I get

2:58

it. I get it. It's for like the for

3:00

like the moment, the memory, like oh okay,

3:03

it happened, like I got to experience

3:05

it, I got to pull in the glasses like OMG.

3:07

But I don't know. Okay, today

3:10

today was a regular you know, Monday.

3:11

It's just it's just a Monday. It's the start of another

3:14

week and another day

3:16

closer to the draft.

3:17

Do you like the transition? I do? I do. I will say

3:19

we have the we have the shades. I'm gonna keep

3:21

the window open, I know. So if it's if it

3:23

starts to get darker in here, and you

3:25

know, you hear me scream or something like that,

3:28

then we could always say, like all right, Zach, you

3:30

you said one thing in the beginning, Now you said something entirely

3:33

different. But let's get into it, Craig,

3:35

all right, So from the solar eclipse

3:37

to what we hope the Arizona Cardinals

3:40

do in now in less than three weeks time.

3:42

And this is a big week. You've been very

3:45

busy, at least that's what you tell me.

3:46

You've been very busy.

3:47

But this is the week in which

3:50

we always do this each year, and it's kind of falling

3:52

on your shoulders now. But the draft primers

3:55

position by position, looking at

3:57

potential needs or real needs

3:59

for the car is at least what we think are

4:02

needs, not knowing how the front

4:04

office view certain needs, but there are obvious candidates

4:06

as far as whether it's a high, medium

4:09

or low need. And this week you're

4:11

focusing on the offense, and

4:13

on Monday it was wide receiver. We'll go through

4:15

kind of each one of these, but it's all up on Easycardinals

4:18

dot Com. Each day a different position

4:21

group, and then next week you focus

4:23

on the defense. But this week is offense.

4:26

And I do think that the biggest need offensively,

4:28

and I think everyone should be in agreement on this is

4:31

the wide receiver position, specifically

4:34

a true number one or someone

4:36

that you feel comfortable pairing with.

4:38

Michael Wilson as maybe

4:41

a one, A, one B or two

4:43

high end upper tier wide

4:45

receivers, and we'll see if really Michael Wilson can

4:47

develop into that kind of a wide receiver. But

4:49

so far, so good in your one.

4:51

Yeah, when it comes to the need the medium

4:54

low high, the wide receiver position

4:57

is probably the number one that has high

4:59

with like X the Nation points right next to

5:01

it, because that is especially

5:03

in this draft class. It's a loaded draft

5:05

class when it comes to wide receiver. And truthfully,

5:08

if you don't take a wide receiver at number four twenty

5:10

seven and then you maybe take one at thirty five,

5:13

you know, hypothetical here, that's still

5:15

a potential wide receiver one. With how deep

5:17

this draft class truly is now,

5:20

there's kind of tears to it. You have the

5:22

Marvin Harrison Junior's Molik neighbors Roma

5:24

Dunza as like your top. Then you

5:26

have Brian Thomas Junior, and then it starts

5:28

to kind of go down a little bit. You can see differences

5:30

between those wide receivers still

5:33

though those are still really quality wide

5:35

receivers down at the mid tier

5:37

of the draft board. So it'll be very interesting

5:39

to see ultimately what the Cardinals do decide

5:42

to do what Montias and Fort decides to pull the

5:44

trigger on. But you are assuming

5:46

and hoping as a fan and

5:49

somebody that's trying to look at the grand scope

5:51

of what this offense could look like, that you could find

5:53

a true wide receiver one in this draft class.

5:55

Cardinals currently have nine wide receivers

5:58

under contracts. We mentioned Michael

6:00

Wilson, You've got Zach Pascal, Greg Dortch

6:02

just resigned, Chris Moore added as a

6:04

free agent. Then you've got five players who were

6:06

signed to futures contract. But when you talk

6:08

about Wilson, Pascal, Dortch and more, those

6:11

are just not names that they

6:15

don't They have not done enough

6:17

as far as to be considered

6:19

top tier wide receivers. I think Michael Wilson

6:21

is knocking on that door.

6:23

Need to see a little bit more from him, and

6:25

then everyone else kind of fills that supplemental

6:28

role to what would be a true number one wide receiver.

6:30

So, yes, wide receiver a high

6:32

need. Does it come at number four,

6:35

does it come later in the first

6:37

round, does it come multiple times

6:40

Day one and Day two? I could even see

6:42

a wide receiver selected on Day three

6:44

where this team a couple of years ago drafted

6:47

three different wide receivers. They were later

6:49

round wide receivers. But just because

6:51

now we know what Mani is looking for

6:54

talking about GM Monny Austin Ford, what

6:56

he's looking for in these wide receivers.

6:58

He wants to all physical

7:01

wide receivers who are not aflaye, not

7:04

afraid to block. And of course

7:06

you ask jonathangan and what he wants someone who

7:08

gets open and catches the ball. You

7:11

want that from every wide receiver. But I do

7:13

think there is a type. You gotta be

7:15

tall, you gotta be physical, and

7:17

you gotta be willing to stick. As Ron Woefully

7:20

likes to say, you're facing the fan.

7:21

Oh yeah, you gotta get You gotta get down and dirty

7:24

with it when you come to that wide receiver spot, because if

7:26

you want to catch the ball, you got to do your end also

7:28

when you're trying to run block as well. And that's something

7:30

that this wide receiver unit. I mean, you saw

7:32

the development of Trey McBride. I understand he's a tight

7:35

end, but once he truly developed himself

7:37

as a run blocker, it opened

7:39

up the pass game for him, especially

7:41

from Week ten on with when Kyler Murray returned

7:44

and you could see, you know, Trey McBride blossom

7:46

into the top five, top seven tight

7:49

end that he finished the season ending up

7:51

as Yes, Monty has a type,

7:53

and I did an article about the type that Monty

7:55

likes. When it comes to you know

7:57

the player, it's the twenty seven eight

8:00

year old although Chris Moore I believes in his thirties

8:02

thirty one, the average age

8:04

was right around twenty seven twenty eight when it came to free

8:06

agency additions. When it comes to that

8:08

wide receiver room, it's above six feet tall.

8:11

With that being said, I think that there's a lot of

8:13

players that you need to also kind

8:15

of fill the shoes that you're going to be replacing

8:18

the Hollywood Brown and a Rondale Moore with smaller

8:20

wide receivers like a Malachi Corley

8:22

right out of Western Kentucky. I love that

8:25

player. He's five 't eleven. Reminds me a

8:27

lot of Deebo Samuel because he's able

8:29

to run block, he's able to

8:31

get open, he's able to use that speed both on the

8:33

outside and from inside the slot. But

8:36

those top wide receivers on the top of the board,

8:38

they fit the exact mold as

8:40

to what Monty kind of has put

8:42

together and constructed in that wide receiver room,

8:44

what that type seems to end up

8:46

being in a sense.

8:47

And those top three wide receivers,

8:50

according to reports. On Friday,

8:52

Malvin Harrison Junior was in

8:54

town for a top thirty visits. On

8:56

Monday, Ramadunza, according to reports,

8:59

is in town on a visit. Malik Neighbors

9:01

has already had, according to reports,

9:03

a top thirty visits, and then over

9:05

the weekend, Jalen McMillan, the Washington wide

9:08

receiver, was in town

9:10

on a reported visit. But you look at

9:12

these names that have come into town so

9:14

far, and there are almost

9:17

twenty names that have been reported. Almost

9:19

half of those names, though, are from the wide

9:21

receiver position. Seven different

9:23

wide receivers have now been

9:26

in town for a visit reportedly,

9:29

and it does speak to the need

9:31

the depth. And then I think the

9:34

need again because I do believe

9:36

that you'll see more than one wide receiver drafted.

9:39

In a couple of weeks. You need somebody

9:41

that's able to go out there and make a big time play.

9:43

And right now, with the names that we mentioned

9:46

earlier and Michael Wilson, Greg

9:48

Dorch, Zach Pascal. Those

9:51

are players that really were not I mean, Michael

9:53

Wilson showed a lot of flashes that was

9:55

great. Greg Dorch had two

9:57

receptions in the beginning half of the season until

9:59

Ky Murray came back and then finished with

10:01

twenty four receptions two hundred and eighty yards.

10:04

When he up until Week ten it was two receptions

10:06

for four total yards. So you

10:08

were able to see flashes as to what Greg

10:10

George can look like in this offense.

10:13

Now with Rondell Moore not there, he kind of slides

10:15

into that role of that scat back having

10:17

this explosive, this ability to go make

10:19

a big time play, which we saw a lot

10:21

of in Week sixteen and Week seventeen against

10:23

the Bears and the Philadelphia Eagles. But

10:26

you need somebody out there that is able

10:28

to go make a big time playing. And that's why

10:31

you know cast a y net see who

10:33

you're able to bring in there, because there is talent

10:35

that you could bring in on a Day two or a Day

10:37

three, yes, number four. Overall, that's

10:40

gonna be the that's gonna be the draft slot that's circled

10:42

by every team in the NFL. It seems

10:44

like with the reports of trades potentially

10:47

happening or whatever it could be, because

10:49

they know the value that number four could be,

10:51

they also recognize the type of generational talent

10:54

that and Marvin Harrison Junior could be, the type

10:56

of stars that Week Neighbor and Rome

10:58

of Doomsday could be. This is a very

11:00

loaded cast. This is a very loaded class. And when

11:03

you're able to cast a net do wide, we're

11:05

able to bring in McMillan to have him say, hey, you're

11:07

not the top name on anybody's draft

11:09

board right now, but let's see if you're able to fit

11:12

to what pays the price of admission. As John again

11:14

and likes to say.

11:15

We're hearing or seeing reading

11:17

more mock drafts that have the Cardinals

11:19

trading out of number four. Then you have

11:21

field Yates and his latest mock draft

11:24

goes with the status quote quarterbacks

11:26

one, two, three, and Marvin Harrison

11:28

Junior at number four, and then field

11:31

Yates writes what I think maybe many

11:33

people leave and that is quote this feels

11:35

too good to overthink it. As the pro ready

11:38

Harrison, who has as much upside for his position

11:40

as any other player in the class, would

11:42

fill what is now Arizona's most obvious

11:45

need at wide receiver. End of

11:47

sentence. And of course you take into accounts

11:50

that Rondell Moore traded to the

11:52

Atlanta Falcons, Hollywood Brown signs

11:54

a free agent deal with the Kansas City Chiefs.

11:56

You lose two weapons in that room. Who's

11:59

replacing those players you did at

12:01

Chris Moore, you brought back Greg Dortch.

12:03

You really wasn't gonna go anywhere those

12:07

again, you need more in

12:09

that room, and that's why I do think

12:11

you will see multiple wide receivers

12:13

selected and possibly even a wide

12:15

receiver added post

12:18

draft, a veteran to have some experience

12:20

in that room, for nothing else, just to kind

12:22

of lead those young players along,

12:24

kind of teach them the ropes, and then maybe

12:26

get on that football field for a little bit exactly.

12:30

I think that people are saying that the draft

12:32

is the be all end all in a sense. And

12:35

you mentioned the ability to bring in a veteran

12:37

a little bit later on. Right now, that that

12:39

room is very young, and Zach Pascal

12:42

is a little bit more of a veteran, Chris Moore as a veteran,

12:44

but beyond that, everybody else

12:47

is very young. In that room. Having a

12:49

veteran presence, we were able to see

12:51

how much a zach Ertz helped a

12:53

Tray McBride, how much of Jeff Swam helped

12:55

the Tray McBride, how much of DJ Humphries helped

12:58

the Paris Johnson Junior. When you're able to have veterans

13:00

in the room, it truly does trickle

13:03

down throughout the room. And yes, Hollywood

13:05

Brown, he was still kind of getting his footing in

13:07

Arizona in a sense, so he wasn't that typical

13:10

veteran, although he did make his mark

13:12

within that room, he wasn't that typical

13:14

veteran that has been established with the

13:16

team for years and you know, had

13:18

his footing in a sense. It was able to bestow

13:20

tons of wisdom. I'm sure he still was able

13:23

to with the matter of looking through a film. But when

13:25

you're able to bring a veteran wide receiver into

13:27

the fold or a veteran in any position, that

13:29

automatically makes your room a lot better,

13:31

regardless if the impact

13:34

is shown on the field, what it's able

13:36

to do in the locker room and in the meeting rooms.

13:38

That's when veteran pieces are able to be

13:40

the case Now, going back though to what field

13:43

Yates said, this could this is a very

13:45

great position to be in if you're Mani Austin,

13:47

for do you overthink it in a sense

13:50

and recognize that you could bring in

13:52

a hall of draft picks potentially and

13:54

have that quarterback surcharge as Paul Calvic

13:57

likes to say, or do you just select the

13:59

best player of it and in that case it's

14:01

gonna be one of those wide receivers. Who do you have

14:03

on this roster in that wide receiver room?

14:06

Again, just wide receiver, not tied end, not

14:08

running back, wide receiver. Who do you have in

14:10

that room? That one?

14:11

Kyler Murray trusts two coaching

14:14

staff trust inside the twenty yard

14:16

line, inside the five yard line, third

14:19

and long. Everyone knows the ball is going to

14:21

that side of the field because that's where that wide

14:23

receiver is lined up, and you're gonna throw it

14:25

to them no matter what, because they

14:27

are that talented.

14:29

They are that.

14:29

Number one wide receiver. Michael Wilson

14:31

again knocking on the door to be that guy.

14:34

Other than that, there is no one in that room currently

14:36

that you feel comfortable with being that

14:39

guy. That's why everyone says

14:41

high need and It is a very high

14:43

need. It was a high need going into the offseason

14:46

when free agency began. Didn't that

14:48

anyone outside of Chris Moore still remains

14:50

a high need.

14:51

I think you were able to see a little bit of those flashes

14:54

that you could trust to Greg Dorch. But the

14:57

thing John again has consistently pointed

15:00

out is that Greg Dortch needs to be more consistent

15:03

that he shows those abilities to get out

15:05

there and make big time plays in a

15:07

game or two here and there, but to do it

15:09

for seventeen games and hopefully trying to get into

15:11

the playoffs. When you're able to do something that

15:13

consistently, then you're able to develop that trust.

15:16

I'm not sure necessarily if that guy

15:18

is in the room with Kyler Murray right now,

15:20

because Michael Wilson is knocking on

15:22

the door. Greg Dortch has shown glimpses,

15:25

you know, Zach Pascal. There really wasn't much time

15:27

for him to get out there. But we're able

15:29

to see two that the chemistry Kyler

15:32

Murray and Hollywood Brown. They're supposed to be best

15:34

friends and on the field, I

15:36

mean off the field, they're probably you know great, everything

15:38

is, you know fine, and dandy, but on the

15:40

field, that connection was not able to fully

15:43

develop, and injuries play a

15:45

role into that and that's the tough part of the game. But

15:47

then again, you bring in a rookie wide receiver, that's

15:49

somebody that has not touched an NFL football

15:52

field and they're going to have that upwards climb

15:54

of trying to develop that trust

15:56

with K one And regardless

15:58

of who it is, you're bringing new pieces

16:00

into the room. This isn't a rebuild.

16:02

I know Johnathan Gann doesn't like to say it, but

16:05

you're rebuilding what you want the roster to

16:07

look like, you're reconstructing it, and that wide

16:09

receiver room is going to have an entirely different facelift

16:12

compared to this past season.

16:13

A reset. Maybe that was a year

16:15

ago. The reset now to your point, it's the reconstruction

16:18

adding to what you built a year ago.

16:20

So that's wide receiver. Before we get into the other four

16:22

position groups on the offense, real time update

16:25

our team photographer Kaitln Epps, and

16:27

our slack channel amongst

16:30

our department. We have

16:32

been eclipsed, so they are

16:34

enjoying the solar eclipse. Yet again, I

16:37

go back to the window behind us

16:39

and that has nothing changed as far as

16:42

any inkling of it getting any darker

16:45

than what it is right now. They are still

16:47

mowing the grass. So

16:49

it happened, and happened as

16:51

we are here doing Cardinals

16:54

cover two. See this is why I said I this

16:56

is overrated. This is overrated.

16:59

I just didn't see anything. I mean

17:01

that photo of Paul's Yeah, it's

17:04

Paul wearing the solar eclipse glasses.

17:06

My guess is at Paul CALVC. Those photos

17:08

will appear at some point on social media, as

17:11

they should. But like, what

17:13

did I like? Did I miss something?

17:15

No?

17:15

So got that blue sky. Clouds

17:19

haven't moved in he So this

17:21

is disappointing. Well, you gotta wait twenty

17:23

years. Twenty twenty four. August twenty twenty

17:25

four is the next time there will be a solar eclipse that

17:27

you can see here in the US clip the

17:29

very beginning part of this. And let it stand

17:32

on the record that I said that this was the most overrated

17:34

thing, and we got eclipsed right here in the valley

17:37

and we didn't even realize it. But we're

17:39

not in the path of totality, so we were gonna

17:41

get a partial I am I am there's

17:44

so told, there's a ton of totality surrounding

17:46

how overrated this thing is. Right

17:48

well said. All right, so let's.

17:49

Get back to the draft, prime

17:52

or offensive edition. Quarterback,

17:54

tight end, running back, offensive line. That's what's

17:56

ahead this week Tuesday through Friday.

17:59

Quarterback. Again.

18:00

I have not seen these articles, in fact, they

18:02

have not been posted, but sometimes they

18:04

get an inkling of where you're going. But I'm looking

18:06

at quarterback. My guess is this is a

18:08

low need as far as a draft, and if they

18:10

do draft a quarterback, that might say

18:12

more about Clayton Tune than anything

18:14

else.

18:15

It could, it definitely could. I there's a

18:17

chance that you could bring something in Day three. I've

18:19

seen a lot of mock drafts mocking Jordan

18:22

Travis out of Farda State,

18:24

and you know, Joe Milton from Tennessee.

18:27

I've seen a lot of those guys in the round six.

18:29

You know, a little bit later on on Day three,

18:32

there's also a chance you bring somebody in as an undrafted

18:34

rookie and you're able to just bring him in into

18:36

your training camp roster and ultimately see

18:39

what you're able to have come of it. When

18:41

you bring in a Desmond Ridder that I

18:44

heading into this a draft season,

18:47

I kind of had it a little bit as a medium

18:50

need because I felt that you did need a third quarterback

18:52

in the roster and in the room. John Agannon

18:54

has said he likes having three quarterbacks

18:57

in that room. Before Desmond

18:59

Ridder got there was just Kyler Murray and Clayton

19:01

Tune. So I was assuming that maybe it's

19:03

gonna be more so a guarantee that you would draft somebody

19:06

in that, you know, day three slot doesn't.

19:09

If that is the case, then it could say

19:11

a little bit about Clayton Tune. He had one shot

19:13

in the game against Cleveland and that did

19:15

not turn out well for anybody within

19:18

the within the Arizona Cardinals facility.

19:20

It was an embarrassing and very challenging

19:22

loss. But then again, you were going into

19:25

that new you know, you're you're starting

19:27

to transition. You just you just sent Josh Dobbs

19:29

off to Minnesota, you put everybody

19:32

is a very tough spot. But you also were

19:34

knocking on the doorstep of knowing that Kyler

19:36

Murray was potentially gonna be returning,

19:39

and I think that excitement, you know, definitely

19:42

kind of makes you say all right, the game against Cleveland.

19:44

Forget about it, Zach, what would you what did we just

19:46

talk about? I don't even know, Craig, it didn't even happen.

19:49

We didn't even just talk about it. But you

19:51

know, Clayton Tune has shown a lot of

19:53

promise. The coaching staff has spoken very highly

19:56

of it. Desmond Ritter has spoken very highly

19:58

of Clayton Tune as well. But training

20:00

camp, once that comes around, you know, Clayton Tunes

20:02

no longer the rookie. It's gonna be a big offseason

20:05

for him.

20:05

Cardinals will add a fourth quarterback

20:07

because you want that fourth arm in camp.

20:10

It's just a matter of what's that fourth

20:12

arm. Is it a veteran out there? Is it a

20:14

young player undrafted. I'd be surprised

20:17

if one of the eleven current draft picks the

20:19

Cardinals have that one would be made

20:22

for a quarterback unless

20:24

someone falls that they really like and

20:27

it's more of a development and I think

20:29

you could use maybe that pick on

20:31

our next position group, and that would be running

20:34

back. You know you've got James Connor, you

20:36

know you've got Michael Carter. You added DJ

20:38

Dallas, which I think is more probably

20:41

for special teams, but can certainly run

20:43

the football. So you've got five running

20:45

backs in there, with a Mario de Mercado

20:47

and Tony Jones who you brought back on a futures

20:49

deal. Wouldn't surprise me if

20:51

the Cardinals drafted a running back.

20:54

I just don't think it's a low Well,

20:56

I wouldn't say, I don't. I don't

20:58

see it as a high need. I really don't even

21:00

see it as a medium need, at least from my perspective.

21:03

I might, I probably will put it

21:05

as a low. I still the thing is,

21:07

and this is what I want our azy Cardinals. You

21:10

know, listeners and readers understand. That's

21:12

always the thing that I struggle with the most

21:14

is deciding because you do have the pieces

21:17

in the room. These are NFL players. You have

21:19

guys in there already, and you're bringing in a college

21:21

prospect and saying you're making that big

21:23

jump, you're getting called up to the show. In a sense,

21:25

let's see what you're able to do. And in

21:28

a position at the wide receiver room, you need

21:30

that. You one hundred percent need somebody

21:32

to come up and make an impact and make a splash.

21:35

The running back room, they have their big time players

21:37

already in James Connor

21:39

and Michael Carter and Amari Demercatto in

21:41

third down packages, but having

21:43

a new back coming in potentially like

21:45

a Blake Korum or the running back from

21:47

Tennessee, whatever, the running back from Kentucky.

21:50

There's a bunch of different players out

21:52

there that you could possibly have

21:54

if they slide towards the latter half

21:57

of Day two, beginning half of Day three.

21:59

If you have Blake Korum, you know, sliding

22:01

in, He's very similar in my mind to a power

22:04

back like James Connor, but also

22:06

has the shiftiness and the ability to break

22:08

free like a Michael Carter. And

22:10

I was able to see that whenever Michigan was

22:12

on the national stage. You were able to see it against

22:15

Ohio State. Are you able to see in the National

22:17

Championship that team

22:19

there's those players made big time plays

22:21

when it mattered most. If you're looking past

22:24

this upcoming season, this is last

22:27

season for James Connor under contract. So

22:30

do you draft a running back with

22:33

the projection that that is

22:35

Connor's replacements and do you do that

22:37

on Day two early in Day three

22:40

or those picks maybe better utilized

22:42

for positions that might surface

22:45

more this year and then the running

22:47

back again. James

22:49

Connor will get banged up. That's

22:52

just the nature of the job. It's how he

22:54

runs. You can prepare all off season

22:56

and he does a great job getting his body

22:58

ready for football, but you are going to

23:00

get nicked up. Hopefully he doesn't miss

23:02

any time at all. But it is a position where

23:05

you have to go in and forecast, all right,

23:07

what happens if what's our plan

23:10

B, C, D, and this could

23:12

be the draft that happens. Because you do have

23:14

eleven selections, It's not like you only

23:16

have a few spots where you're like, Okay, I have

23:19

a few needs. I mean I have a lot of needs

23:21

and only a few picks to do it. The Cardinals have

23:23

a lot of needs and a lot of picks to answer

23:25

a lot of those you know questions, start

23:28

putting you know a little bit more of an exclamation

23:30

point next to that as and erasing that

23:32

question mark a wayne saying this is the position

23:34

group we need, not like, oh, is this

23:36

the position group we want to target. Because

23:39

you have eleven picks, you are able to ask that

23:41

question and running back. Knowing James

23:43

Connor's contract, even though he is the blueprint

23:46

and Johnathan again and has a immense amount of respect

23:48

for James Connor back there. The

23:50

running back position is a group as

23:53

a whole that has really struggled getting the value

23:55

that it deserves financially a

23:58

and that was something I was talked about in the beginning half

24:00

a training camp, was the zoom

24:02

call that all the running backs had in the very beginning

24:05

that James Connor said he wasn't a part of.

24:07

But when his contract's going to be, you know,

24:09

coming to an end, that's going to be an

24:11

area that he's gonna selfishly and rightfully

24:13

so have to be mindful of.

24:16

No guaranteed money on Connor's

24:18

last year, but I do expect him to be

24:20

RB one going into this season. Again,

24:22

he is someone that I think everyone

24:25

looks to in that offensive room.

24:27

Yes, Skyl the Murray is your face of the franchise,

24:30

but really the heart beats on that offense.

24:32

Everyone else follows Connor's

24:35

lead on the field, off the field. Soft

24:37

spoken but very loud, he has

24:39

heard when he's on the football field. So that's

24:42

a position where again first round,

24:44

no second round, no third

24:47

round. Perhaps again just how to

24:49

depends on how that board falls. To you and how

24:52

you rate these running backs, these young running

24:54

backs. And again, if you're gonna draft a running

24:56

back in the third round, you expect

24:59

them to play more than just

25:01

special teams. But if you've got Michael Carter,

25:03

you've got de Mercado, now,

25:05

all of a sudden, that's a a loaded

25:08

room as far as the numbers

25:10

are concerned. And then of course you've got

25:12

five right now. You're not carrying five once

25:14

the regular season begins.

25:15

Yes, but we've also seen how much of

25:18

an emphasis that John degann

25:20

and likes to have running backs on the practice squad,

25:22

whether it was Damian Williams, Tony Jones Junior,

25:24

Darren there was a bunch of different a

25:27

bunch of different running backs. Excuse me that we're

25:29

on the practice squad and on the active

25:31

roster. They've had no shortage

25:34

of being able to rotate running backs, especially

25:36

when James Connor did come in. So it

25:38

wouldn't surprise me to see them bring in a few more,

25:40

because right now they just have the four with Tony Jones Junior

25:42

on that futures deal. If you

25:44

do, you know whoever it is, If you do

25:47

decide to bring in a running back, I'm assuming you'll have a

25:49

few more and once training camp, you know comes around

25:51

in that room will definitely expand. But

25:53

you could find a really solid future

25:56

RB one RB two in the

25:58

mix later on in this draft. Last

26:01

position group on offense offensive

26:03

line. Right now, you've got fifteen players

26:06

in there. You're pretty much set at the

26:08

tackle position, perhaps center.

26:10

You know you got yelled to fold the guard.

26:12

There's still is a.

26:13

Hole on the left side unless you're moving

26:15

Will Hernandez from left to right. I'm

26:18

from right to left. Then you've got a hole now on the right

26:20

side. So at least as we discussed

26:22

offensive line with respects to the draft,

26:25

I'm gonna put this as medium

26:28

borderline high because

26:30

there's five positions on that offensive

26:32

line and what are you gonna do at the center position

26:35

after this year? Yell to frole a

26:37

free agent to b After twenty twenty four,

26:39

Evan Brown signed a one year deal.

26:42

Who's on this team in twenty twenty five

26:44

not named Paris Johnson Junior. As

26:46

far as the offensive line is concerned, Jonah

26:49

Williams signed.

26:50

Him for two years.

26:51

But I don't even think that means you're

26:53

not looking to take a tackle at some point,

26:55

maybe even on late Day one, day

26:58

two.

26:58

If you have somebody you're able to develop, why wouldn't

27:00

you want to bring into tackle that you're able to kind of keep in

27:02

the mix and ultimately see what is

27:04

able to happen whether you keep them on the interior.

27:07

There's a lot of tackles in this draft

27:09

that played tackle in college that are likely

27:11

to move into the guard spot once

27:13

they make it to the NFL. Now

27:16

you also have the ability and the flexibility

27:18

and the versatility to be able to move

27:20

them to the outside of need. And that's something on monte

27:22

As and Ford said that he loves and that's something he

27:24

values, is a player that comes in

27:26

with that versatility. We are able to

27:28

see that with Paris Johnson Junior when

27:31

you when going into the season, you knew he was going

27:33

to be playing right tackle because you had

27:35

your franchise tackle and DJ Humphreys

27:37

last season. Obviously the injury ultimately

27:40

ended up parting ways with DJ. Because

27:42

of that, you're able to bring in Jodan Williams. Now

27:44

that versatility that was talked about around

27:46

draft time now comes back into the

27:48

mix. Do you keep Paris on the right side,

27:51

do you keep him on the left side. The interior

27:53

though, is the most important part

27:56

right now, because Will Hernandez has

27:59

experience on both sides, left guard,

28:01

right guard. You like them at right guard

28:03

because you like that pairing with Paris Johnson

28:06

Junior. Or you could possibly move him to the left side

28:08

and still have that left side pairing with

28:10

him in Paris if Paris ultimately decides

28:12

to move left. Regardless, there

28:14

are a lot of guards, a lot of interior

28:17

offensive linemen that whether it's pick twenty

28:19

seven, thirty five, sixty six, seventy

28:21

one, whatever it might be, there are a lot

28:23

of interior linemen that you could find that could

28:26

right away be put into the mix. And you do

28:28

have to think about the future because

28:31

a lot of the players that they brought in, Tristan col Own,

28:33

Elijah Wilkinson, Keith Ismail, these

28:35

are players that are now coming in a one year contracts.

28:37

So you're gonna run into the same situation next

28:39

offseason. Anyway.

28:40

You know, as we talk here, I'm going

28:43

to talk myself into changing

28:46

the priority bit offensive

28:48

line to high.

28:50

Oh yeah, I was borderline medium

28:53

high. Now it's just I was. It's

28:56

okay, yes, you convinced me and just now

28:59

looking at the raw, and what convinced

29:01

me more than anything outside of your brilliant

29:03

knowledge, thank you, is the fact that what I

29:05

mentioned earlier, how many of these guys are

29:07

under contract in twenty twenty five. There are

29:10

two offensive linemen under contract for twenty

29:12

twenty five, Paris Johnson Junior and

29:14

Joana Williams.

29:15

And that is about John Gaines.

29:16

Are you right?

29:17

You know what we always forget about John Gaines.

29:19

I don't forget about John Gaines. You're

29:21

right, That's what happens when you get when you get injured,

29:24

your rooks out of sight, out of mine, out of sight, out of

29:26

mind.

29:26

Good.

29:26

But I do believe that once he does come

29:28

into the mix, you know, I do believe

29:31

that John Gaines could potentially make an

29:33

impact. He seems like a very humble,

29:35

soft spoken guy. From the handful of times

29:37

I was able to speak to him before you know, his

29:39

injury, and then I spoke to him a few weeks ago, uh

29:42

for a story about a business venture that he

29:44

was taking party in with a handful of other Arizona

29:46

Cardinals, and he was saying how he's rehabbing,

29:49

and it just made him that much more hungrier

29:51

to get out onto the field. Good call

29:53

Zach, thank you.

29:55

It's a name that should be top

29:57

of mind. But when you're not on the football

29:59

field, you're not seeing a lot. Yeah, you get

30:01

forgotten about, and that's that's kind of what happens

30:04

when guys are on IR you get forgotten

30:06

about. And no excuse on my part,

30:08

but you're right. John Gains is

30:10

under contract for twenty twenty five

30:13

and someone that I do think needs to be talked

30:15

about a lot more because going into

30:17

last season when he was hurt,

30:20

talking about Gains, Jonathan Gannon mentioned

30:22

that there was going to be a role for

30:24

the rookie and then he gets hurt and

30:26

now someone else had to fill that role. Now,

30:29

jg wasn't specific as far as

30:32

the role, whether that was going

30:34

to be backup center, possibly

30:36

in the mix to play left guard, but he

30:39

was going to be active, at least that's how I took it. He

30:41

was going to be active. Gains was going to have a uniform

30:43

on on game day, play special

30:45

teams, be in the mix, potential

30:48

injury as far as offensive line play,

30:50

but that's another name. So you've got three offensive

30:53

linemen right now that are under

30:55

contract for next season. Or

30:57

past next season outside.

31:00

And that's why now all of a sudden, I'm you

31:03

convinced me just talking out loud,

31:05

yes, offensive line, because you've got five

31:07

different spots there, whether that's center, interior,

31:10

or on the tackle side. It's a high

31:12

need when you have eleven picks, and when

31:14

there's.

31:14

A draft class like this where you know

31:17

that you're gonna have some long

31:19

term players that you're able to bring in because

31:22

of you know, the draft status and the

31:25

rookie contracts that you're ultimately going to be able to

31:27

sign them to, you start to have your

31:29

future a little bit more, you know, figured

31:31

out you don't have to stress about

31:33

it as much because I'm sure Monty's

31:35

looking at the board and he's saying, wow, we

31:38

only do have those three players right now

31:40

under contract. We are gonna have the same

31:42

conversation again next season.

31:45

How can we you know, you know, put

31:47

a fork in the road right there and address that

31:49

now so that we don't run into this problem

31:52

And hopefully this coaching staff

31:54

believes and a lot of analysts do

31:56

believe, which is, you know, when you look at a four

31:58

win team and I know, you know, like

32:00

somebody the Kyle Brand's like, Oh, I don't mean to be offensive,

32:03

but they're the best four win team that I've seen.

32:06

If I'm a player, yes, like I

32:08

kind of that's like a backhanded compliment a

32:10

little bit. But this is a football

32:12

team that they have a lot of the

32:14

pieces, and you're bringing in more pieces that

32:17

you could switch from a four

32:19

win team to an eight win team, a nine

32:21

win team who knows run the gauntlet

32:23

a little bit and potentially make a playoff

32:25

spot. Now that's you know, it's

32:27

ambitious and it's hopeful. But if

32:30

that does happen at the end of the season, what

32:32

players do you have coming back because you

32:34

don't have them, especially with those that are not

32:36

on their contract.

32:37

Offensive line, No, it's not a target

32:40

when you talk about if the Cardinals stay

32:42

at number four, but if they should drop to eleven,

32:44

twelve, thirteen, and then I could see tackle

32:47

certainly being someone that they or

32:49

a position that they take a look at. You drop

32:51

down to twenty seven or thirty five early

32:54

in that second round. Field Yates

32:56

in the second round. His latest mock draft

32:58

had the Cardinals at thirty five, selecting Oregon

33:00

center Jackson Powers Johnson, who can

33:02

play or sliding out to thirty five.

33:05

Yeah, so that's interesting.

33:06

It's someone that has been kind

33:08

of a fringe first round lates

33:11

in the twenties. But here is Jackson

33:13

Powers Johnson available And again this is Field

33:15

Yates's latest mock draft at

33:17

number thirty five, the nation's best

33:19

center, the Riminton Trophy Award

33:21

winner, who does have the experience

33:23

and the ability to play guard, You sign

33:26

or you draft someone like that, and

33:28

yeah, you're just sliding over to your left

33:30

to your right to play the guard position. But

33:32

you have experience in the event you need

33:35

help at the center spot.

33:36

If I was if I was Drew Petsing,

33:38

which I'm not, thankfully,

33:41

Thankfully, you know, when they do tried out

33:43

for week one, they're not going to be looking to the

33:45

sidelines and hoping to see Zach Gershman calling

33:47

the shots. Thankfully in that

33:49

case. But I do think that the relationship

33:51

between Yell Defrohold and Kyler Murray

33:54

cannot be I don't

33:56

want it to be messed around with, truthfully,

33:59

Like you bring in center that played

34:01

center in college, great, try to figure out a way to move

34:03

him to guard, because I think that Yell defro

34:05

Hold proved that he can be a really

34:07

solid star starting center in the

34:10

NFL. He showed a lot of flashes, and

34:12

then that chemistry with Kyler Murray continued

34:14

to develop. And I think with having a full offseason,

34:16

a full training camp going into week one,

34:19

with a handful of preseason games sprinkled

34:21

in there, I don't think that

34:23

that relationship with Kyler Murray should be

34:26

you know, you know, should be impacted at

34:28

all. I think that Yell Defole proved enough

34:30

this past season twenty twenty three that

34:32

he should be the starting center in twenty twenty

34:34

four. That doesn't mean, though, that you

34:36

can't bring in a guard, or you can't bring in a center

34:39

and try to slide him over into guard and then when

34:41

Yell defro holds contract is up, you had to

34:43

decide to bring him back or you have that ability

34:45

in that versatility to slide somebody in agree

34:48

though.

34:48

I'll say this, there was just

34:50

eight games with Kyler

34:53

and froh Holtz. I don't know how much time

34:55

they were able to work on their own, but

34:57

that chemistry that you hope to develop in

34:59

the off season, there was none of that.

35:02

Kyler had none of that with anybody because it

35:04

was focused on the rehab so

35:06

you wonder, Okay, we're looking to upgrade

35:09

this center spot. Is that fro

35:11

Holt coming back for year two with a

35:13

full off season with Kyler? Is

35:16

that Evan Brown who you just brought in, or

35:18

is that someone that you just drafted who

35:20

then would have a full off season to

35:23

work with QB One Though

35:25

I'm of the opinion much like you, it sounds

35:27

like I want fro Holt to remain your

35:29

starting center because, at least from my vantage point,

35:32

I saw nothing that would say, all right, this

35:34

position needs to be better.

35:36

Again.

35:36

I don't know ali grade it out, but from what I

35:39

could see, whether that was from the press box

35:41

or watching on television, there were no

35:43

issues as far as that center quarterback

35:45

exchange or a lot of pressure from

35:47

the interior. At least where fro Holt was beat

35:50

wasn't perfect, but I thought he played a

35:52

very solid center's position,

35:55

which he had hardly any experience

35:57

going in to last year.

35:59

There's and it's such an

36:02

underrated part too, is like I

36:04

know we keep talking about like, well, you know,

36:06

three different quarterbacks have to play, Well, that's three

36:08

different quarterbacks that yell defro Hoold

36:10

had to snap the ball to. He had to get that.

36:13

There's a very special relationship between

36:15

the center and the quarterback, especially when it comes

36:17

to hand placement, especially when you do

36:19

that under center, and when you're able to do that. We

36:21

saw how much Kyler Murray developed

36:23

as an under center quarterback this

36:26

past season, putting up numbers that he

36:28

hasn't seen in his previous seasons with the Arizona

36:30

Cardinals since coming into the league being

36:32

mostly that shotgun quarterback. With him

36:35

being under centered, you were able to see that chemistry

36:37

developed. But as a center, it's

36:39

not easy when you have somebody else in the backfield

36:42

multiple times throughout the season that you

36:44

never want to have your backup quarterback

36:46

playing. You never want to have two different backup

36:48

quarterbacks playing and not know who you're

36:50

going to be snapping the ball to truly until Week

36:53

ten and then there was an added level

36:55

of consistency. But it goes back to what we

36:57

were saying about the wide receiver spot. No matter

36:59

who you're bringing in, they're gonna have to develop

37:02

trust with Kyle Murray and that

37:05

it was only eight games, it was just that sample

37:07

size, but I think that yell Deferohold showed

37:09

a lot. He was not when you were watching

37:11

film, it didn't seem like, oh that center

37:14

position, that's where there are some holes

37:16

that needs to be addressed, yelled defo hold. I thought they did

37:18

a really solid job holding it down.

37:19

So the draft primers offensive

37:22

end are up or will be up

37:24

this week on Azycardinals dot Com

37:26

Monday, Wide receivers and then quarterback,

37:28

tight end, running back, offensive line will follow.

37:31

Defense is in next

37:34

week or a week from Monday. As

37:36

far as those positions, we'll talk about that

37:38

next time we have Zach here in studio.

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Draft Party to be amongst Cardinal

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fans when the Cardinals are on the clock at four,

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do they stick and pick

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or do they trade down eleven,

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twelve, thirteen, or maybe just a couple of

38:25

spots to number six. Those are the kind of the teams,

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the spots that we've really been talking about when

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it comes to the Giants, the Raiders, the

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Vikings, and the Broncos.

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Whoever it's gonna be, that's the question that everybody

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wants to know. And those fans in attendance

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are going to be able to get a really solid

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treat once that player does come in, because

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you know, that's the pride of the Arizona

38:46

Cardinals fan base. They're all gonna be able to celebrate

38:48

to you that this is a very monumental

38:51

draft for the Arizona Cardinals. This

38:53

could be franchise altering draft

38:55

because of the type of talent that you have coming

38:57

in, and it is not always an opportunity

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to have this type of draft class,

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to put it together and to make

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it happen. This type of board and the way that

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you know it is set up doesn't happen

39:08

every year. It's like it's like the solar eclipse.

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It happens once every twenty and even then,

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it doesn't always happen. It's true. It's

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still bright outside. Yeah.

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When we were walking in, I told you my my college

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roommate texted me. He's talking about the solar eclipse

39:22

in Mexico. He just texted me, was it sick?

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And I just wrote, didn't even see it?

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Overrated. Yeah, so Michael,

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don't worry, and he said, boo, He's right

39:31

boo.

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Yeah, just completely missed it. Now yet twenty

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years to wait for the next one in twenty forty

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four.

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Oh yeah, you ready. Last

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thing is we talked draft.

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I want to give you the chance to either

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gush about this player or steer the Cardinals

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away from this player because again, in addition

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to romadonsay, on Monday, reports

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have Penn State edge rusher Chop

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Robinson in town for a Top

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thirty.

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Visits, Chops in crowdled

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Okay, there we go. No, I will say, and

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I've seen a he's a he's a great edge

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rusher. He didn't really have the sack numbers

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at Penn State, but I'm

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telling you he is a dog

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like. That's the type of player that Nick Rolis

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likes, that high motor, violent

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player. I saw that first hand

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with Chop Robinson. At Penn State. I saw him terrorizing

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big ten quarterbacks and it's not always easy to

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get by a big ten offensive line, and

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I saw Chop Robbinson do that a lot. If

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the Cardinals do decide to, you know,

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select Chop, he will be a great

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talent to possibly have you hope

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that that that those stats translate

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to the NFL. But just looking

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at him, his just his physical appearance.

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There is a player that like you look at

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and you're like, okay, that player was developed in

40:44

a lab. Chop Robinson's that player.

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Six three two fifty four four sacks

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last season, five and a half. In twenty twenty

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two, he did meet with the Cardinals at the combine

40:54

where he ran.

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A four to four eight forty and he called

40:57

that He called it ahead of time. He went

40:59

on, uh, he was gonna run under four. He went

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on Mike Florio Show and he said he was on a run

41:03

a four to four and he put up a four to four.

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And to do that as an edge.

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Rusher four more impressive.

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He posted the fastest ten yards

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split for an edge rusher weighing more than

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two hundred and fifty pounds. And to me, I

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don't care how fast you run the forty, How quickly

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are you getting off the line of scrimmage? And

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that's where that ten yard split comes into play.

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Do you have that explosiveness once the ball

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is snapped? Can you get into the backfield quickly?

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Sas sometimes don't always tell the story.

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But are you affecting the opposing quarterback

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getting in their phase, forcing incompletions,

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folcing turnovers? And the Cardinals

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we do know little hint. Yeah, they

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need help at the edge rush. Oh, they definitely

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do need help. And once again, you're very

41:44

lucky with the board shaping out the way

41:46

that it is. This is a loaded class

41:48

at edge rusher as well. I feel

41:50

like a broken record saying like, oh, just insert

41:53

plug and play position like this is. They're

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loaded in offensive linemen, edge

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rushers, linebackers are really good

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ffeties, cornerbacks. There's a lot of different

42:02

positions in this year's draft where you could

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say, all right, they're they're loaded,

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and I think EDG rusher. No matter who you

42:09

possibly do, decide to select, and you

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will likely select an edge rusher in this year's

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draft, you're gonna have somebody that makes you really

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important and really dominant, solid

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impact and if you want to be a part of the

42:20

action at the Great Lawn outside

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State Farm Stadium again night one of the draft

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Thursday, April twenty fifth, four

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to nine. Admission, parking both free.

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You do need digital tickets. Go to Aisycardinals

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Party for more information and again

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the draft primers. This week it's about the

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offense Azycardinals dot com.

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Next week Zach will have the primers

42:42

on defense. And right now we're

42:44

just gonna send him and do bunchs of

42:46

research on solar eclipses so he

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has a greater appreciation for what's the

42:51

rest of the world is enjoying on this Monday,

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April eighth.

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For what I could see,

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I like seeing, you know, being from the

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East coast where it's mostly overcast

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and you know, dreary outside, seeing

43:04

palm trees and a few clouds

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in the sky. Don't.

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I don't think my eyes are gonna tell me anything

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different. Soulary eclipse was overright, just that

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window outside, It's yeah, blue sky. Didn't

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you didn't see any hint of like a flickering

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or you know, any kind of like a shade. Nothing.

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I would have loved it. It would have made for great content,

43:24

content, content, content, and instead it was

43:26

just disappointment, disappointment, disappointment.

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Well, Cardinals will not disappoint when it comes

43:30

to the draft. I have no doubt in Monti Austin

43:33

for it. I know that that guy's going

43:35

to come into the fold. The video

43:37

was resurfacing, yes, of him

43:39

making moves in the draft room from last season

43:42

on Doubt that aired on Flight Plan. I

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have no question in my mind that Manti Austin

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for is going to be able to deliver another incredible

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draft class in Monty.

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We trust again. In less than three

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weeks until the twenty twenty four

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NFL Drafts, still plenty of time to decide

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to discuss and dissect

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what we think and maybe what the Cardinals

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should do over those three days

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and right now with eleven total picks. On

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that note, we will put a lid on this edition of

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always, special thanks to our executive producer jem

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On Mahindra, our associate producer Coddy

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Fincher for Zach Kershman, I'm Craig Real Lou.

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We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover

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