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at jim Almahundro and now tossing it

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out to Indianapolis and the Combine

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where we find boots on the ground in

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the form of Darren Urban and Danny

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Serek. Darren, how's it going out there?

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It's going wonderfully. Actually,

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it's it's funny, it's not.

1:44

I'm sure it's because of climate change, but it's

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not nearly as cold as it usually is.

1:49

Got a little windy last night a little bit, but

1:51

for the most part it's been pretty

1:53

mild. It's in the mid fifties and we're

1:56

underway. The Jonathan Gannon and

1:58

MANIASA. Ford talk today and that's

2:00

how you know for me the Combined

2:02

is started. Is we have our first day where the head

2:05

coach and GM talk a little bit and we kind of go

2:07

from there. And Danny,

2:10

they did confirm, did they not? Just

2:12

to make sure we're not joking around here. The phone

2:14

lines are most definitely open, whether

2:16

it's a number three pick overall or

2:18

maybe even DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah,

2:21

both those topics came up for again and awesome

2:24

for it, and they both talked

2:26

about how they're happy to have Hopkins

2:28

on the team right now. But that was pretty much

2:30

all the reassurance that we got at the moment

2:33

was the type of weapon he is and what he

2:35

brings to a team, but they're not

2:37

sure whether or not he will be on this

2:40

roster when the season starts, So

2:42

they did kind of imply that it would

2:44

be open to talk about possibly training DeAndre

2:47

Hopkins, and when it comes to that third

2:49

overall pick, awesome for it. So that, yes, their phone

2:51

lines are open. He hasn't received

2:53

any calls yet, but there are still plenty of time

2:55

for those to come ahead of the draft

2:58

in late April. Where are you right now,

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Danny, Where exactly are you within? Because

3:02

you know, I've never been to the Combines, so

3:04

I can only just sort of paint a mental picture

3:07

based on what you guys have said over the years. But

3:09

you could definitely spend a week of the Combine and maybe

3:11

not even go outside. Right. Everything seems

3:13

to be interconnected, yes,

3:16

which is very nice. I mean, like Darren was

3:18

saying, you know that we are compared to previous years is actually

3:20

pretty nice. The fact that it's not too windy,

3:22

the sun is out right now, there's not snow but yet

3:25

tunnels connecting to all the

3:27

nearby hotels, which is very nice

3:29

and only for staying warm, but also when you're lugging

3:31

equipment like our video staff that we're with.

3:34

Darren and I are currently in the convention

3:36

Center in a hallway run. We're just outside

3:38

the media room with about hundreds

3:40

of tables set up for media to work

3:42

in. Darren and I are about twenty yards

3:45

apart, so I've got a great view of Darren

3:47

urban who looks just dashing today

3:49

as he waves to me that we're

3:52

close enough to wherever we feel like we're podcasting

3:54

with you, Paul, but not too close to where you

3:57

know you can't hear that echo on the

3:59

phone line, Danny Dootell, by the way,

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I mean, Darren's been doing this for two decades. Can

4:04

you guys go about fifty yards at a time,

4:06

and then Darren runs into somebody else that he's known

4:08

forever, right, and he DAPs it up. I mean, honestly,

4:11

it probably gets a little obnoxious at times, doesn't

4:13

it. No, I would never

4:15

use the word obnoxious in the same sentence

4:17

as Darren Urban same. No, I can't really talk,

4:19

you know. I feel like that is, you know, personally,

4:22

one of the best parts about coming out to things

4:24

like the Combine or the poll Bowl or the

4:26

Track or things like that is getting to

4:29

seeing connect with people around the league,

4:31

other media members, whether that's national

4:33

who worked for other team that you either know

4:35

personally, you know I've worked with, or

4:37

that you've just kind of followed along on Twitter

4:40

and you get to meet them in person. And I think that's

4:42

a pretty cool part. So I'm gonna I'm not gonna

4:44

bash down that because I will say I've had my fair

4:46

sharrup seeing colleagues

4:48

and stuff and chatting it up with them. But that is

4:51

a nice part, a nice perk about being out at

4:53

events like this, All right, Darren

4:55

takeaway so far, whether it's uh,

4:57

you know, during the two press conferences with a new head

5:00

coach and GM otherwise conversations

5:03

maybe you've had. How active do

5:05

you think the Cardinals are going to be? Especially

5:07

picking number three and there appears to

5:09

be at least three quarterbacks,

5:12

maybe even four. We'll get into that.

5:14

Who might merit consideration in the

5:16

top three. I mean, what's the big buzz right

5:18

now? Well,

5:20

it was funny because you know, you wake

5:22

up this morning and the big

5:25

bombshell story was the Washington commander

5:27

story, which it

5:30

just seems kind of weird. I saw some Washington

5:32

people walking around here, and I thought to myself,

5:34

it's got to be kind of weird having

5:37

this story way above my

5:39

pay grade floating around the team that you're covering.

5:41

So obviously that was something

5:43

early. But even

5:45

going back to last night, Paul, I'll be honest,

5:48

I was out with a

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longtime friend of mine who works does

5:52

what I do for the Panthers, and there was another

5:55

Panthers writer and there was a

5:57

couple other people. But walked

5:59

into a restaurant, went to go half dinner,

6:02

happened to see a table where Ian

6:04

Rappaport of the NFL Network was having dinner,

6:06

said hi to him, and then ten minutes later, Ian Rappaport,

6:09

while I was still sitting over there, tweets out

6:11

that Adrian Wilson was leaving to take a job

6:13

with the Panthers. So that was kind of a that

6:16

was kind of made last night kind of interesting.

6:18

And you know, I'm happy for Adrian. Obviously

6:20

I've known him his whole professional career,

6:23

consider him a friend, and

6:25

now he moves on as the combine

6:28

opens to go work for the Panthers, where

6:30

I happen to know a number of people, which obviously

6:32

you do too. Dan Nettles, our good friend Dan Nettles

6:35

works over at the Panthers right now. So it's

6:39

that feels like another another

6:42

push towards the changing of the guard. Not that

6:45

Adrian leaving was that shocking,

6:48

but again, it just kind of underscores what

6:50

a seismic shift the Cardinals

6:52

have really had now as

6:55

we get into the combine, and how that we

6:57

will be different decision makers and this is just

6:59

a whole new process. And a dubbed has

7:01

been around long enough that my initial reaction was,

7:03

oh, man, you know, Adrian Wilson is leaving

7:06

home. He's leaving the A Z. And then you realize,

7:08

no, he's going home to the

7:10

Carolinas. He grew up High Point,

7:12

North Carolina, played at North Carolina State.

7:14

So if there's one place other than

7:17

the Cardinals that I could see him continuing

7:19

his NFL career would be the Carolina Panthers.

7:21

So all the best to a Dubb who

7:24

was always a great guest, whether he's

7:26

playing or post playing career, always kept it

7:28

straight with all of us in the media side, some

7:30

of us more than others. Darren, you would know all about

7:33

that. He would give us the desk stare and he didn't

7:35

have to say anything, and you knew the response.

7:38

And as someone who did the big red

7:40

rage and he was our player host, you

7:43

know, it's it's

7:45

just gratifying to see Adrian Wilson

7:48

in all the work he put in Ray

7:51

won his playing career ended. He didn't he didn't

7:53

mind doing all the grunt work, just being one

7:55

of the regular guys, almost like you know, almost

7:57

to the intern status, doing all that sort of putting

8:00

in all the work and all the scouting reports. And

8:02

obviously his career after

8:05

ball has accelerated quickly. So

8:07

you know, it seems to me guys

8:10

can agree or disagreeing. Danny, let me know, But I've

8:12

seen a couple of reports that have hinted that

8:16

the entire offseason is

8:18

predicated on the future

8:20

of Aaron Rodgers and

8:22

whatever Aaron Rodgers decides and or the

8:25

Packers decide because there needs

8:27

to be a decision soon as

8:29

to what exactly is going to happen in Green Bay

8:31

with a four time MVP. Is

8:33

he going to end up going to the Jets? Could he be going

8:36

to the Raiders? What would the Packers do? Would they

8:38

indeed go ahead and elevate

8:40

Jordan Love or is that media speak? And they might

8:42

go after Derek Carr? And even if Aaron Rodgers

8:44

is going back to Green Bay, Danny, guess what, his

8:46

salary numbers around sixty million dollars

8:49

for this coming season, So is that going to be palatable

8:51

tenable? It just seems like that's

8:53

because Derek Carr's out there working

8:56

teams, is he not? Isn't he visiting with teams?

8:58

And then it's almost if once

9:00

these veteran qbs find

9:02

their home in musical chairs, then we can

9:05

start talking about all the prospects who are working

9:07

out at the combine. Yeah, those

9:09

are the reports, Paul, that Derek cart is out

9:11

here talking with some teams in person.

9:14

But I feel like that's a pretty good

9:16

feeling, is that it does kind of see that all

9:19

these other moves might be predicated around what

9:21

happens with Rogers and the Packers and whether

9:23

or not he stays in Green Bay or though somewhere

9:26

else, and you start looking at the list of veteran

9:29

quarterbacks or penning free agents, and who

9:31

knows what's going to happen with Lamar Jackson and the

9:33

Ravens and if they're going to come to some sort of deal.

9:36

Thankfully, the Cardinals are not in a situation

9:39

where they need to worry about that, having locked

9:41

up Kyler Murray is the franchise quarterback.

9:43

But it is interesting, you know, kind

9:45

of taking a step down is

9:48

what the Cardinals are going to do with

9:50

a quarterback. When Jonathan

9:52

ann And talked to the media at the Polleum

9:54

Tuesday out here at the Combine, saying

9:56

that you know, this offense is going

9:58

to be built around La Murray and

10:01

then those, however many weeks that Murray

10:03

is expected to miss as he's

10:05

rehabbing that ACL injury, They'll

10:08

just still in with that backup quarterback. But

10:11

this offense is going to be built from the start, even

10:13

though Kyler Murray is not expected to be ready to start

10:15

the season, it will still be built around Kyler

10:17

Murray and his skill set. It'll be interesting

10:20

to see, because now we know that backup

10:22

quarterback Colton McCoy underwent a procedure,

10:25

So what is that recovery going to look like? Are they going

10:27

to need to bring someone in just

10:29

for the offseason. Are they going to want to bring in someone

10:32

to app a little competition, maybe as a backup

10:34

quarterback to start the season. So

10:37

it'll be interesting to see what the Cardinals do in

10:39

that front, but thankfully not as pressing

10:42

as looking for your starting quarterback

10:44

the way other teams are in the league.

10:46

And I think you're right. I think that all starts with Aaron Rodgers

10:49

and then of course the other teams search for

10:52

a starting quarterback via the draft could very

10:54

much benefit the Arizona Cardinals, which we'll get

10:56

into in a minute. But Darren set the

10:58

scene for many awesomes pressor.

11:01

He was the first one to go a couple hours later,

11:03

or so was Jonathan Gannon. You

11:05

know what's it like? I mean, is it is it

11:07

hard to get positioning? Are there tons

11:09

of national media around if people come and go

11:12

obviously I'm guessing like the Sean Payton's of the

11:14

world, or getting a huge crowd and then you

11:16

know all told I mean Monnie Austin Ford

11:19

and Jonathan Gannon. His first time was in their positions.

11:21

What was it like, We're able to get all your questions in?

11:24

Well, I'll be honest, the Gannon

11:27

thing was a lot different money Austin for it went there

11:29

was only I believe one other Everybody

11:31

didn't stay on the exact schedule, so it was hard to

11:33

tell exactly how many people were talking at

11:36

the same time because they kind of end up overlapping,

11:38

which normally doesn't happen. You

11:41

know. I think Monny had a decent crowd around

11:43

him, but not

11:46

a ton of questions. It was a lot easier

11:48

to get into the questions with Awesome For Jonathan

11:51

Gannon had a lot more people around him, most

11:53

of them were Philadelphia writers. There was an

11:55

attempt, a strong one

11:57

to try and kind of grow

12:00

him a little bit about what happened at the Super Bowl

12:02

by the Philadelphia writers because they didn't have a chance

12:04

to talk to him after the game. And

12:07

he answered a couple of those questions

12:09

and then kind of said

12:12

when he got the third one, kind of was like, okay,

12:14

I've I'm trying to move forward

12:16

here. You know that it didn't end the way I wanted

12:18

to I needed to do a better job, but we're going to kind

12:20

of move on. And once that happened, there was a there was

12:22

a there were more questions Cardinals

12:25

related. But it's funny

12:27

at these when you're up at the podium because

12:30

it's it's not just oh, you know, Philadelphia

12:33

writers might want to ask about the super Bowl. There's there's

12:35

lots of different media here for lots of different

12:38

reasons, and so people want to ask general questions

12:40

about the draft, they want to ask general questions about

12:42

trend stories in the league. So the

12:45

press conference doesn't, you know, a good

12:47

chunk of it isn't necessarily going to be

12:49

directly about the Cardinals, per se. I will

12:51

say with Monty,

12:54

there wasn't a whole lot of new stuff

12:56

coming out. The Gannon thing

12:58

that really struck me when

13:01

he was talking, relatively speaking.

13:03

I mean, he talked about Hopkins and Kyler,

13:05

as you mentioned, but those are all

13:07

things that we kind of already knew. But

13:10

he kind of was talking about how he sees the defense

13:12

as a canvas, and

13:14

the idea is we're gonna let the defenders

13:17

do what they want within the context

13:19

of the canvas, which is you

13:23

have a big enough area to play with that you can do

13:25

some different things to, for lack

13:27

of a better term, create the painting on that canvas.

13:29

But you can't go off the canvas. You can't go outside

13:32

the lines. And that's ultimately

13:34

kind of how he sees how the defense is going

13:36

to go. And it's gonna be interesting because

13:38

we've talked a lot about Cliff

13:42

Kingsbury being a player's coach, and

13:45

when you hear Jonathan Gannon talking, I

13:47

mean there's still a lot of that kind of

13:49

vibe. I mean, he's delivering

13:51

it a little bit differently, for

13:53

sure, because Cliff is more quiet

13:56

than compared to Gannon, but

13:58

it's the same kind of stuff. We want the players

14:01

to be comfortable and we want, you

14:03

know, that kind of thing. So ultimately

14:06

that I think that's I'll be curious

14:08

to know how that all kind of plays out, you

14:10

know, I'll tell you. And I was talking to Craig Grilu

14:12

about this on the Red Seer Report. The Cardinals

14:15

roster is so wide open right now, so

14:18

many question marks that

14:20

if you truly are adapting your

14:22

defense to the players on the

14:24

roster, guess what, it's an

14:26

incomplete right now, I would think it's darnier

14:29

impossible to say this is who

14:31

we are, this is what we do. Well,

14:35

it'd be real tough to formulate any

14:37

specifics as to how you

14:39

want to play defense. In a lot of regards,

14:41

you just don't have enough players yet at so many

14:44

key positions. I know, Danny

14:46

that Montie austen Ford was asked about Zach

14:48

Allen and Byron Murphy and he was

14:50

pretty adamant, right, Cardinals want

14:53

to keep both of those penning

14:55

free agents. He was asked about Isaiah

14:57

Simmons. Montie austen Ford about the fifth year option

15:00

was well, didn't really give an indication either

15:02

way other than saying we have till May. We're

15:04

going to figure that out. But as for Isaiah

15:07

Simmons, someone had asked Jonathan Gannon Danny

15:09

that about his best position. She

15:12

thought was a good question, and then Jonathan

15:14

Gannon's response, well, we look forward to figuring

15:16

that out with him. So, you know, first

15:18

you got to figure out Isaiah simmons immedia future

15:21

and then boom, beyond the contract.

15:23

You know where it is on the depth chart, exactly right.

15:27

And I thought that was an interesting answer, and I know, necessarily

15:29

mean this as a knock to the previous coaching

15:32

staff, but it kind of seemed like Ganon was

15:34

intentional with using those words with

15:36

him, We're going to figure out the best spot for Isaiah

15:38

Simmons with him, So it seems like there is

15:40

going to be that open dialogue and where

15:42

Isaiah Simmons might feel he's

15:44

the best fin where he'd be the most effective

15:47

and his unique skill set to kind of play

15:49

all over the field. But Gannon

15:51

said that, you know, they have until May because

15:54

they're still evaluating this roster

15:57

that they have, right They're still finalizing the

15:59

coaching staff, so it does kind of put

16:01

a time crunch on things. And you

16:04

know that the way that Maniasinfort has

16:06

described as as said opportunity right,

16:08

I mean, there's plenty of decisions that need

16:10

to be made when you are looking at this roster and the pending

16:13

free agents and having the third overall pick

16:15

in the draft, so there's a lot of moving

16:17

parts, and the fact that this coaching staff is

16:20

in the final stages of being put together does

16:22

kind of put things they have to be expedited

16:25

a little bit as everyone's working

16:27

together. So it doesn't really surprise me that

16:29

that was the response about Isaiah

16:31

Simmons that you know there they have until

16:33

May because they are still making those

16:36

decisions. I do think it was interesting that

16:38

we've now heard from multiple people at the top

16:40

of this organization, including owner Mica Bidwell

16:43

on the past PAB the other week bringing up Zach

16:45

Allen by name and wanting him back

16:47

and wanting to come together on

16:49

a deal there, and mentioning Buyer Murphy as

16:51

well. Those are two big veteran pieces

16:54

that you you know, need on

16:56

this defense. In my opinion, I think, especially

16:58

losing JJ Watt and then you know, not

17:01

having really veteran presence in path Rushers

17:03

this past year is I think having

17:06

Zach Allen and Buyer Murphy can be very beneficial

17:08

for this defense moving forward when you're

17:11

looking to keep those pieces to add

17:13

with like a Buddha baker and things of that nature.

17:15

So I think that was interesting to mention Zach

17:18

Allen again by name and the wanting

17:21

to keep them, the interest and keeping them here

17:24

and potential future big

17:26

pieces of the Cardinals defense. I

17:28

know the media try to kick the tires a little bit

17:30

on Will Anderson versus Jalen Carter,

17:33

right, Darren especially with Jonathan Gannon, and as

17:35

you might imagine, he wasn't biting no.

17:38

I mean, look, no one's gonna say. And

17:41

that's the thing is like we can ask the questions,

17:43

and we need to ask the questions, but you're

17:45

not going to get a whole whole lot

17:47

out of that. We're past

17:49

the days of sitting

17:52

here and asking any green questions here

17:54

at the combine and talking about how much he loved

17:56

JJ Arrington and if he's there, he's

17:58

going to take them. And then in the second around, yeah, he

18:00

took J. J. Arrington. But

18:04

I think I think

18:07

there is still a lot

18:09

of evaluation that needs to go in. I

18:12

think it goes back to a little bit

18:14

what you were talking about before, Paul, which

18:16

is by the time we get to the draft,

18:18

by the time they have to make a decision on that third pick,

18:20

whether it's traded or take one of these players,

18:23

we're gonna have a much better idea of what

18:25

they need for that defense and who

18:28

might fit better. And we just aren't

18:30

going to know that right now. If they don't, they're gonna

18:32

we're gonna have to go through free agency. We're gonna got to see

18:34

what kind of people are on this roster. Now, if

18:36

you end up staying at third, you're you

18:39

to me, you need to take who you feel

18:41

like is going to be the best long term in

18:44

this case, defender, because I think those are

18:46

the players that are ranked up there the best

18:48

long term defender, and you make

18:50

you make your defense fit around that person,

18:53

because if you think, you know, Will

18:56

Anderson is that guy, and

18:58

okay, maybe you were going to run some a little bit

19:00

differently that didn't, That didn't wouldn't

19:03

work out perfectly for him, But you think he's

19:05

going to be a eighteen sack a

19:07

year a guy, didn't you take him and you make sure your

19:09

defense works with him, and I think ultimately

19:11

that'll be where that goes. But we're again,

19:14

we're so early. You know, it

19:16

is too early to be getting real phone calls

19:18

about trades. Now. Could there be a conversation

19:20

or two had in the bowels of Lucas

19:23

Oil Stadium between Monty and another

19:26

guy about hey, keep us in mind for that

19:28

third pick down the road. Yeah, I

19:30

could see that possibly happening. And even

19:33

though you know, are there some conversations

19:35

would I'd be surprised if monti Austin Ford didn't

19:37

talk to the agent of Zach Allen and or

19:39

Byron Murflull while we were here. I

19:42

would hope that that would possibly

19:44

happen. I mean, again, with those guys,

19:46

you're talking about only a couple

19:48

of weeks before they hit the open market, and

19:51

whether it's legal or not, they're

19:54

going to have a good idea after this week is over,

19:56

what the rest of the league thinks about them in terms of

19:58

what money they might be all the get. And that's usually

20:01

why extensions end

20:03

up getting done, is because they have a better idea of

20:05

what their market's going to be. So if

20:07

you're going to keep those guys, I would expect the

20:09

deal soon arrive than later, and

20:12

because if they get to free agency, usually

20:15

that means the guy's not coming back once

20:17

again. Darren Rman Danny Serek at

20:19

the Combine twenty twenty three in Indianapolis.

20:22

Paul kelvc back at the Digney Health Arizona Cardinals

20:25

Training Center that started the Combine

20:27

just in time for everyone's amusement.

20:29

Mock Draft two point zero comes out from

20:32

Bucky Brooks and mel Kiper. Bucky

20:34

Brooks had Jalen Carter one, Bryce

20:37

Young two Will Anderson three

20:39

to the Cardinals. Mel Kiper two point

20:41

oh, Bryce Young one, CJ.

20:44

Stroud to Will Anderson

20:46

number three to the Cardinals. What's

20:48

interesting in the mel Kiper is there were

20:50

two trades before the Cardinals selected. Houston

20:53

traded up to number one to take Bryce Young.

20:55

Indie traded up from four to two to take

20:57

CJ. Stroud. And

21:00

here's my prediction, Danny, that by the time we

21:02

do get to the draft, and it all starts

21:04

right now at the combine

21:07

because somebody's going to test through the roof. Oh,

21:09

I don't know when Anthony richardson the floor to quarterback

21:12

whomever. Will Levis he's got

21:14

a big arm. He could get out there and pull him Mitch Dubisky

21:16

and then before you know it, these guys

21:18

are being overdrafted. His team's reach for

21:20

the quarterback. But the best

21:22

case scenario is that this buzz continues

21:25

to build, starting with a combine, right, Danny,

21:27

and then all of a sudden, guess what there

21:30

might be trades at one, two, and even

21:32

three as a Cardinals cash in some

21:34

team's desperate need for a future

21:37

franchise quarterback. Yeah.

21:39

I mean, that's a great point that

21:41

the Cardinals are lucky that they don't need a quarterback

21:44

and only that, but there are so many teams

21:46

that do and that bodes well for

21:48

them and the opportunities that they have. With the

21:50

third overall pick, the Cardinals will have an

21:53

option likely at one of, if not the

21:55

top defender on the board, and like Darren

21:57

was saying, somebody that you know, hopefully they

21:59

feel could be a

22:01

piece to build this defense around for years

22:04

to come. And if the Cardinals

22:06

feel like they can still

22:08

get those top of type of premium

22:10

players a couple of spots down and you

22:12

can get some more draft capital,

22:14

that will likely be an option for them

22:16

as well. I

22:19

wouldn't be surprised, I feel like, though, if the

22:21

Cardinals decide not to trade down, because you

22:23

do have this opportunity to get possibly

22:26

like a game changer again for years

22:28

to come. So I think that really anything

22:31

is up in there at this point. I'm not sure

22:33

that anything would surprise. It will be interesting because

22:35

it's this the first draft for awesome for it

22:37

as a journal manager, and of course with the Cardinals

22:39

and what this staff as a whole, not

22:42

just the front office, but with the scouts and the coaches.

22:45

What it is that they envision this team to

22:47

become. I'm not sure that

22:49

they would have a set decision

22:51

on what they want to do, whether it's training back or

22:53

picking quite yet. I think you do have to look at this roster,

22:55

and you have to look at what pending

22:57

free agents you're going to bring back, if

23:00

any. And I think that it's probably

23:02

too soon for them to have a

23:04

final idea on what it is they want to do or who

23:06

they want to pick, because, like we've talked about, you

23:08

have so many other players you have to figure out

23:10

on this roster. Well. And the other

23:12

thing too, Paul, for me is you

23:16

don't know what the trade partner might be. When

23:18

we sit here and we talk about trades in the

23:20

draft and trading three, what does

23:22

that mean? I mean part of it

23:25

is, oh, what kind of haul might you be able to get?

23:27

I get that, but it also means who are

23:29

we talking about? Like when you mentioned earlier

23:31

that the that kyper thing, the

23:35

Colts trade up and the Texans trade

23:37

up, Well, then who who's behind

23:39

you that needs to move up again?

23:42

And where are they coming from? Because

23:45

you might be able to get a haul, but if you're going from

23:47

three to twelve or whatever

23:49

it might be. I'm just throwing numbers out there.

23:52

Is that I mean, are you going to get

23:54

enough that it's worth dropping

23:57

all that way down? You know? And again, these

23:59

are the things that Montie austin Ford has to measure.

24:01

Every GM has to measure

24:03

those kinds of things. And yeah, you need, you

24:06

need players. But at the same time, if you if

24:08

you believe by the time we get to the draft, that

24:10

Will Anderson, for instance, is a

24:13

generational pass rusher or

24:16

even just a just a complete

24:18

stud. And you

24:20

know you're looking at twelve or yeah,

24:22

you might you're going to get a solid player, but nowhere

24:25

near that. You better know what

24:27

you're getting extra out of that and that

24:29

you're going to be able to turn that into something. I

24:32

agree, But you're going to have to look at those those other

24:34

teams if you're going to trade down that and the

24:36

positions they need. Right, are there enough players

24:38

high enough on your board to where, like Darren was saying,

24:40

that player, you would still be happy enough with getting

24:43

that player. And I think something that's important to

24:45

remember is that the Cardinals pick

24:47

high in every round. So the

24:49

only you know, training back that third

24:51

overall pick is not the only way to get draft

24:54

capital. The Cardinals could make a trade for

24:56

rounds two or three. You can still get draft capital

24:59

later on in the drafting, and you

25:01

know, still get another pick later on in the round and

25:03

kind of maneuver things

25:05

that way. So it doesn't just have to be this third

25:07

overall play, because again, the Cardinals have high

25:10

picks in every round, so that's not the only

25:12

way for them to kind of get more bang for their

25:14

buck. Valid points, absolutely,

25:16

and to your points. For example, if

25:19

you're going to trade back and let's say you're still within

25:21

the top ten, top twelve, well,

25:24

obviously Will Anderson would be gone, Jalen

25:26

Carter would be gone. Probably Tyree Wilson

25:28

will be gone from Texas Tech bought. There are a

25:30

couple of blue chip Clemson defensive

25:33

lineman edge rushers who might still

25:35

be there. So if they're a tick behind

25:37

in terms of the evaluation of

25:39

Will Anderson, which might be a stretch,

25:42

but if those guys are there, because I tell

25:44

you, you read mel Kiper's

25:46

quick summary on Will Anderson and I'll

25:48

just read it real quick because it's pretty

25:50

powerful, it's pretty intriguing. It's a pretty

25:54

bold case to stay at number three. When

25:56

mel Kiper writes about Will Anderson, quote,

25:58

he is a dominant and complete edge

26:00

rusher who might have been the number one pick

26:02

last April if he'd been eligible

26:04

for the draft. Doesn't take plays

26:06

off, that's a ding, is versatile,

26:09

plays the run well, explosive off

26:11

the line of scrimmage. Nick Saban used

26:13

him as a stand up outside linebacker as

26:15

a down defensive end, even at d tackle,

26:18

where he blowed up guards and centers

26:21

at the snap end. Quote on Will

26:23

Anderson, So, I mean, if you have that sort

26:25

of a generational type player, you

26:27

know, I'm with you. It really

26:29

is truly going to take a massive haul

26:31

to move out to number three if indeed Will Anderson

26:34

is available right there. But we'll see.

26:38

Explain to me, if he's that great, why

26:40

the Bears wouldn't take him at one good

26:42

point? Absolutely, I totally

26:44

agree. So,

26:48

yeah, you're you're You're what's

26:50

to keep a team from trading up

26:52

and taking Will Anderson. Forget

26:54

the quarterback, right, if it's all if this league is all about

26:56

the quarterback and getting to the quarterback, You're

26:59

right, it's so we'll

27:01

see, we'll see what happens. He's

27:03

gonna compete at his pro day, correct,

27:06

Will Anderson, I believe, I believe. I

27:08

believe he's not doing a whole lot of Most

27:11

of the top guys aren't going to do a ton of stuff

27:13

here in terms of the physical stuff, so

27:16

that doesn't necessarily surprise me. Yeah, but

27:19

yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'll he'll max

27:21

out at his pro day whenever Alabama's pro

27:23

day might look. And just to

27:25

wrap up this this line of thinking, my point

27:28

is that if Zach Wilson

27:30

recently can get drafted number two overall,

27:33

if the Niners can trade three first round

27:35

picks and take Trey Lance number

27:37

three overall, right, I mean the Bears

27:39

traded up to take Mitch Trubisky

27:42

number two ahead of Patrick

27:44

Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. We all know that twenty

27:47

years ago. I looked at up real quick, just from twenty

27:49

years ago. Yeah, that stretch at number three overall,

27:52

Achille Smith, Joey

27:54

Harrington, he Schuler Old

27:56

than like a five year span between like ninety

27:59

nine and two thousand or so. There

28:01

was a lot of desperation and a lot of

28:03

overdrafting and overreaching for quarterbacks

28:06

at number three. And that's

28:09

my point is how

28:11

might that benefit the Arizona

28:13

Cardinals. That's an unknown over

28:15

the next couple of months. But

28:19

what I probably the most meaningful thing I've

28:21

read so far, guys is Darren,

28:23

was Monny's comment to you going

28:25

into the combine easy Cardinals dot Com. He had

28:28

the quote about, yeah, we're working with a collapse

28:30

timeframe. This is your preview of the combine,

28:33

and he went on to say the on

28:35

field work, the testing, it's

28:38

another piece of information, saying that the medical

28:40

is the most important, the interviews are second most important.

28:42

It's all boring to the fans, he said, But

28:44

I wouldn't say any of

28:46

the drills at the combine

28:49

are a driver of anything on

28:51

how we make our decisions. And

28:54

to me, that's the best thing I've heard, because it's

28:56

not about the measurables. It's whether the

28:58

guy can play and whether the guy

29:00

fits and so all

29:03

all this data that's going to be generated over

29:05

the next week here by the drills and everything

29:07

else, that's great. You put it on the card and then draft

29:10

card. Okay, but I think too

29:12

many teams and the Cardinals might have been guilty

29:14

of this too, with some of their first round flameouts

29:17

relying too much on the measurables

29:19

and hopefully that's come to an end. Well,

29:23

you know, again, there's

29:25

so much that goes into this, but

29:28

you know, I think it's you

29:32

want to take guys that are good football players,

29:34

that have proven to be good football players, and

29:36

it's hard to ever believe that

29:38

a guy is going to be

29:42

he's going to excel on the NFL when

29:44

he didn't excel previous. And it doesn't

29:46

matter how high he can jump

29:48

or how fast he can run. I mean, come

29:50

on, but we see that every year and inevitably.

29:53

I mean you mentioned Anthony Richardson. Anthony

29:56

Richardson did not look in

29:58

college like he was going to be a

30:01

franchise quarterback. He looked like he had

30:04

the tools to do that, but he didn't look like he would

30:06

be. So the question is is does

30:08

that win over people as we go forward?

30:11

It's it's really a fascinating question. I

30:14

will say too, just general consensus

30:16

of covering this

30:19

league's the last couple of years and all the scouts

30:21

that I've talked to, it's the main

30:23

chunk of the analysis comes

30:26

throughout the year and traveling

30:28

to schools and watching film on these players,

30:31

like Darren was saying the most important parts about

30:33

the Combine is the medicals

30:35

being out here and those player interviews. Now you

30:37

can get a look at the fundamentals at the drills

30:40

that are run out here at the Combine, but

30:42

this would really just kind of solidify

30:46

what they had seen on film about these players.

30:49

You know, these drills out drowsing combine because obviously

30:51

they're not you know, there's no other variables

30:53

coming into play of going up against

30:56

somebody, whether offense or defense and all

30:58

of those things. So the main part

31:00

being on here is the medical and I think that the

31:02

big chunk of work when it comes to evaluating

31:04

a player is more so on the film

31:06

throughout their season and

31:08

then those interviews. You know that Moni

31:11

had mentioned, You're right, Danny, he cited medical

31:13

number one than the interviews especially,

31:16

And we talked a little bit about this on the Red Sea

31:18

Report. If Dave Sears coming

31:20

over from the Lions, and the Lions from

31:22

all accounts, when you listen to a Dan

31:24

Campbell, when you listen to a Chris Spielman,

31:27

who's right up there one of the decision makers in the

31:29

Lions front office, when you listen to them, they've

31:31

spent the last couple of years looking for a very specific

31:34

type of mindset within a player,

31:37

and so I think these interviews are going

31:39

to be critical. Now, Darren, the question is,

31:42

can you drill down in what you're fifteen

31:44

minute interview and get

31:46

past some of the conditioning

31:48

from the agents right to say all the right

31:50

things and truly get into the essence of the

31:52

player and figure out how much he does love

31:54

the game and how vested

31:56

he will be in his NFL career. I guess that is

31:58

the challenge. Ultimately. Don't

32:02

forget that the meeting

32:04

at the Combine is not the only time that they

32:06

talk to these players. They get a

32:09

handful of visits from some guys at

32:12

their facility. There's some informal

32:15

meetings that happen around here. You can talk

32:17

to a guy to pro day, But I mean,

32:19

are we ever are you going to have like three

32:22

hours with a guy to really ultimately

32:24

break them down And no, no, And

32:26

you're still not going to know until they're

32:28

in the cauldron of the NFL. And what's funny is

32:30

is like, I don't even know if it's necessarily

32:33

something where you don't Sometimes

32:37

I think you it's something where you could tell

32:39

ahead of time, But I don't know if it's

32:41

always the time. I mean, because the reality

32:44

is becoming an adult and

32:46

going into your first job, which in this case

32:49

for these guys are is professional

32:51

football. That's a cauldron

32:54

that that changes the formula

32:57

of a person sometimes and

33:00

you might know the

33:02

person might be who exactly

33:05

you think he is getting in there, and then when you drop

33:07

them into that cauldron, it changes

33:09

a guy. The chemistry changes, And

33:12

so I do think, you

33:15

know, we overuse the cliche of the

33:17

inexact science, but I think ultimately,

33:19

I think there's a lot to that because in

33:21

the end, I don't think it's always you're

33:24

always able to figure out what's

33:26

what ahead of time. I think you have to

33:28

get into it and sometimes it's going to mean a

33:30

miss and it stinks, but it's reality.

33:33

That's also a big part as to where you rely

33:36

on your scouts and the work that

33:38

they are doing throughout the season, and

33:40

the trips they're making to schools and the relationships

33:43

they have formed with coaches

33:46

at these different schools to really get a better

33:48

feel for the player as

33:50

a person and their work ethic and all

33:52

of those types of questions. And I think that's

33:54

where you rely heavily on your scouting department,

33:57

is what they have gathered from the

33:59

player person as a whole. And then kind

34:01

of like we were just talking about, the combine, really

34:04

just kind of solidifying maybe that evaluation,

34:07

answering any final questions, and I think

34:09

you get a good start and

34:11

learning about the person from that sense earlier

34:14

on throughout the season from your scouts, and

34:16

then you can fill in any blinks you have at

34:18

those interviews here in Indy. Is

34:21

there a player or two that are

34:23

really creating a buzz that you think everyone

34:26

is anxious to see? Are there a

34:28

couple obviously an Anthony richardson right,

34:31

and maybe even the quarterback group with

34:33

a Will Levis is scheduled to throw in

34:36

a CJ. Strout from Ohio State.

34:39

I'm just curious. Are I don't know, Are there some Is

34:41

there going to be some must watch TV there

34:44

for a certain position group or player

34:46

or two. Well, I do think

34:49

the quarterback thing is going to play

34:51

into it, just because of everything

34:53

we've talked about it, because of what happens at the

34:55

top of the draft, how it can change something. I'll be honest,

34:58

we haven't really been here enough to

35:02

to get that sense yet, because players

35:05

don't get on the field until Thursday, and

35:07

they don't start talking to the media until tomorrow.

35:11

And the bottom line

35:13

is today was all about

35:15

existing NFL teams and coaches

35:18

and GM's talking. So the storylines were

35:20

about that today. I mean, today was a lot more about

35:23

the Packers basically coming out and saying, we

35:25

still don't know what's going to happen with Aaron Rodgers

35:29

and that kind of thing. Today was still about

35:31

the team sand the Bears saying, yeah,

35:34

you know, we could still take a quarterback at

35:36

number one. We'll see what happens, that kind of

35:38

thing. I think once you start getting

35:41

deeper in the week, that's when the players stuff starts

35:43

coming up, and I

35:45

think, again,

35:49

how much is that going to be impacted

35:51

by what happens on the field. Have enough

35:54

of these teams managed to stay

35:56

away from that line

35:58

of thinking? I guess back of a better term,

36:00

when you're you're getting wowed

36:03

by measurables that you shouldn't be. I mean, we've

36:05

seen Anthony Richardson play, We've seen

36:07

Bryce Young play with all of these things,

36:09

and and even in the case of Bryce

36:12

Young, like the one thing I have

36:14

heard. I feel like I've heard a little bit. Is again

36:16

the argument over Bryce Young his size.

36:19

I mean, he's not taller than Kyler

36:22

Murray really and he's definitely

36:24

not as thick. He's

36:27

more more like Devanta Smith.

36:29

And so is that a guy that you're

36:31

going to be comfortable putting behind center

36:33

knowing that injuries happen.

36:36

Ye? No, great point. And

36:38

then the other question that both Monnie

36:40

and Jonathan Ginn and God was about

36:43

DeAndre Hopkins. So do

36:45

we have a sense Danny as to when

36:47

we'll get an answer on DeAndre

36:50

Hopkins, not

36:52

necessarily on when something will

36:54

happen. It does kind of feel

36:56

like they are up to the possibility

36:59

of making a trade when it comes

37:01

to Hopkins. I'm not sure if that would be something

37:03

that would come before

37:05

the draft and that would affect

37:08

maybe some pieces they need and what

37:10

they're going to be focusing on there. I

37:12

would imagine you would wait a couple

37:15

weeks from now, because if that's the case, you're going

37:17

to want to see maybe what free

37:19

agents are going to hit the market and what

37:21

options you might have on that front. There's

37:23

a chance that not nothing happens that, especially

37:27

not having Kyra Murray to start the season. You

37:29

probably want a top wide receiver like

37:32

DeAndre Hopkins on the field to make life a little

37:34

easier for whatever quarterback the Cardinals do

37:36

end up starting next season with. I really think

37:38

that anything is possible

37:40

when it comes to Hopkins. But the vibe that

37:43

I was getting from Gannon and Austin Fort

37:45

at the podium on Tuesday, which matches with

37:47

what we had per prior to them talking

37:49

here at the Combine, is that they are open

37:51

to the possibility of trading

37:53

Hopkins now awesome. Fort did confirm

37:55

that he had a talk with Hopkins and that he felt

37:57

it was productive, but that was really

38:00

all we got from him on the front of what those

38:02

discussions entailed. It

38:04

was interesting to me, Paul One, that

38:06

Austin Ford mentioned that he talks about Hopkins

38:09

and his representative, and if we remember

38:11

correctly, DeAndre when he signed his extension,

38:15

it was made very clear that DeAndre did

38:17

it on his own and he didn't have an agent. So I thought

38:19

that was kind of interesting. I'm

38:22

gonna, I'm gonna, I'll

38:25

be honest, I think it's still wide open,

38:27

and I know they keep talking about we love to have him

38:29

around and everything. But

38:32

I've been doing this for a long time, and it just

38:34

feels if you're

38:37

if you're going to keep a guy, or

38:39

if you thinking that's still a really

38:41

strong possibility, I feel like you're a little

38:44

stronger with talking about him

38:46

potentially staying. Then I'm

38:49

not sure, which was what Gannon's first words

38:51

out of his mouth when it was asked if DeAndre Hopkins

38:53

was going to be around this season for the Cardinals. He said,

38:55

I'm not sure now. It's it's honest,

38:58

and I do think. I do think,

39:00

like Danny said, I do think everything

39:03

is on the table right now, but

39:06

it's certainly not It's

39:08

certainly not like, oh, he's

39:10

going to be here, we want this guy here. I mean,

39:12

how many times, Paul, have we heard somebody say, well,

39:15

we want this guy here and then they move

39:17

it later and all things changed, you

39:19

know. But I it's I

39:21

don't feel like it's ever the other way where you're wishy

39:23

washy and then and then later the person

39:26

ends up staying and it's like, oh, yeah, we always thought he

39:28

was going to stay, you know. It just never feels

39:30

that way. Totally agree, and that, combined

39:32

with the previous last time that Jonathan Gannon

39:35

met the media during the coordinator

39:37

press conferences. He said he had yet to talk

39:40

to DeAndre Hopkins at that point. I

39:42

thought that was telling in a way

39:44

because he was definitely going to stay.

39:47

I would figure there would

39:49

have been a conversation. So there's

39:51

at least going to be some serious discussions,

39:53

I would guess. And best case scenario,

39:56

MANI a savor walks out of Indianapolis

39:58

and gets on a flight back to the AC and

40:00

he had serious inquiries from like the Browns.

40:03

You know, all the Browns fans want to reunite. You

40:05

know, d hop with Deshaun Watson. A

40:08

Giants team that is it was pretty

40:10

competitive this year, right, but was short

40:13

on receiving talent and just got rid of Galaday.

40:16

You know, whether it's a New England, the affinity

40:18

Belichick and DeAndre Hopkins. I know Bill O'Brien

40:20

is back in New England and that probably precludes it. I

40:22

mean even a Cowboys team now that's lamenting.

40:25

You know their receiver room and after

40:27

getting rid of Amari Cooper and Jerry Jones,

40:29

now, last thing you want to do is lose a trade to the

40:31

Cowboys. I get it, But there are teams out

40:33

there I think are interested, and

40:36

I was just going to throw in there. I didn't mean to step

40:38

on you there, but it's tough

40:40

to see when you're gonna finish when I'm

40:42

in Indianapolis and you're in Phoenix. So I gotta admit

40:45

that one. But I will say

40:47

that like. It's also notable that Joel

40:49

Corey, a former agent who writes for CBS

40:52

sports dot Com, now noted that while

40:55

DeAndre Hopkins signed a contract that had a

40:57

no trade clause, the no trade clause

41:00

was avoided when he

41:02

got suspended, So all of a sudden,

41:04

the Cardinals have a little bit more leeway in

41:06

terms of where they might be able to send him. Now

41:09

there's things involved there. If DeAndre says,

41:11

well, I want to contract extension with somebody

41:15

when I go there, Otherwise I'm not I'm

41:17

not going to want to stick around, or I'm gonna be a prom or whatever.

41:20

I mean, that could be a thing. But I do think the

41:22

Cardinals have some options there, and you

41:24

just laid out a number of them that

41:26

would make some sense. Well.

41:28

And two again, if you decide

41:30

to make this decision sooner

41:32

rather than later, and you

41:34

have an idea of the free agency that are going

41:37

to hit the market. That could play a

41:39

role into what you are asking for and what you're

41:41

receiving in this trade, or if you're

41:43

going to get a couple more draft picks,

41:45

and then the Cardinals might not feel

41:47

the need to maybe trade back from that third

41:49

overall spot because they're going to get more draft

41:51

capital from a trade with Hopkins. So again,

41:54

this could lead to other possibilities,

41:57

So it really wouldn't surprise me. I guess if you're going to

41:59

do that move, you would wait for free agency

42:01

to begin and then maybe make that trade

42:04

and see how that can help you in the draft, No

42:07

doubt, and I think there will

42:09

be a pursuit of DeAndre Hopkins. I think there's

42:12

enough out there in terms of what number

42:14

one receivers have done to complete

42:16

an offense and Rory propel

42:18

a contender to that next level

42:20

that I think there will be enough intrigue and interest.

42:23

So the question is what can you make the

42:25

trade for, and then you have to

42:27

weigh the cost benefit ratio, etc.

42:30

So it's interesting. I also thought

42:32

it was interesting too. Ran Carthon

42:34

met the media the new Titans GM

42:36

coming over from the forty nine ers,

42:38

and they asked about his philosophy for team building.

42:41

I'm just gonna read the quote. This is Ran Carthon,

42:43

new GM of the Titans, his philosophy

42:45

building a team. Quote, it's cute and sexy

42:47

to play Golden State Warriors

42:49

football in September and October

42:52

when the weather is good, but the teams

42:54

are playing in January, play tough

42:56

defense and run the football end

42:59

quote. I just I

43:01

saw that quote, and I think

43:04

I think, I surmise Darren,

43:06

it does apply, I think to the direction the

43:08

Cardinals are going to go and as

43:10

opposed to the Golden

43:12

State Warriors brand of football, where we're going to spread

43:15

the field and we're gonna run that sort of offense.

43:17

I would say, the new iteration

43:19

of this Arizona Cardinals team and where it's going.

43:22

It feels like that's the direction what

43:24

Ran Carthon just said to the media.

43:27

Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't foresee

43:29

Monty awesome Fort having such a

43:33

sexy quote like that like Rand

43:35

Carthon did, But I would agree with you. I think talking

43:37

to both Gannon and awesome

43:39

Fort the number of times that I've had and knowing

43:42

where awesome for it comes from which

43:44

is Tennessee in New

43:46

England. I do think that that's kind of

43:48

the thought process that they want to get to,

43:50

and let's face it, in some ways

43:53

that helps you a little bit in

43:55

terms of I do feel like

43:57

there are ways to build your team quick

44:00

or in that style than

44:02

perhaps other style way. You need

44:04

some magnificent skill players

44:07

to make it work all the time. Any

44:10

other talk Danny had either presscommers about

44:12

some of the pending free agents, you know, whether it's

44:14

the offensive line of Calvin Beecham and

44:16

Will Hernandez. You know. Obviously

44:18

Zach Allen Byron Murphy was

44:20

asked by the media any other names

44:23

of veterans Isaiah Simmons to both the

44:25

head coach and the GM, but any other names that were

44:27

prominent they were asked by the media in regards to the

44:29

Cardinal's future. No, those are

44:32

really the main ones. Was Zach Allen and Buyer

44:34

Murphy as penning free agents and talking about

44:36

Isaiah Simmons. Of course, Kyler Murray

44:38

was brought up to both game and an awesome for it.

44:40

It was what we have heard up until

44:43

this point, which is that Kyler Murray

44:45

is attacking his rehabiting or happy with where

44:47

he's at right now. There is no timetable

44:50

for his return. They just want to make sure that he

44:52

is healthy and feeling good and confident

44:54

to that when he does return, he feels his best

44:57

and he can still be a threat with those legs.

44:59

So nothing knew on that front,

45:01

but that was the only other player that they

45:03

were each asked about, but again reiterated that they

45:05

are happy with the work ethic that Kyler

45:07

Murray has been putting into that rehab. They're happy

45:09

with where he's at right now in that process. It's

45:12

just about making sure that he is taking

45:15

his time in the sense that he will feel ready to go

45:17

when it's time for him to come back. Anybody

45:20

go with Darren the question about

45:22

the veteran quarterback then inevitably is going

45:24

to be added to this roster now, especially in

45:27

light of some injury news on Cole McCoy.

45:29

Anybody throughout there like, oh, I don't know, Marcus

45:31

Mariota was released this morning. Coach, what

45:33

do you think about the former Falcons quarterback?

45:37

You know, it's funny there was

45:40

no names were wrought up. Let's put it that way.

45:42

No names were brought up. They didn't they

45:45

didn't commit necessarily to adding a

45:47

veteran quarterback. Now monti as and Ford did

45:49

say, look, it always

45:51

makes sense to add competition there

45:55

at quarterback, but he then added

45:57

that goes for every position, and then kind

45:59

of took the steam out of whatever

46:01

comment he might have been making of the quarterback.

46:03

If you're just going to go and say every position is like

46:06

that, but I

46:08

don't. I don't think it's an absolute lock

46:10

they add a veteran quarterback. You would think

46:12

they would, but

46:14

I don't know how that's going to work. I'm

46:18

curious to know what they

46:20

do with Colt McCoy, Like, if Colt McCoy

46:23

they decide, yes, we want Colt McCoy here,

46:25

and he's our guy. Okay, I'm

46:29

assuming Kyler Murray might

46:31

just end up on the Physically unable to Perform

46:33

list to start the season, but we're gonna have to see on his

46:36

timeline because if you do, if you

46:38

have him on the PUP list, that means he misses at

46:40

least the first six games, and

46:42

that's a significant chunk. Now, you might be willing

46:45

to make that jump, but if you don't

46:47

want him to miss six games, then you

46:49

have to have him on the roster. Then you're

46:51

almost guaranteed that you're going to have to have another

46:54

veteran quarterback because you can't afford to be taking

46:56

up you can I

46:58

don't think you can afford to take Barasch spot

47:00

with Colt and somebody completely

47:02

untested. So this,

47:05

to me is going to be one of the more fascinating

47:07

things, and I do think the timeline

47:09

of Kyler Murray is going to impact that and

47:13

how it plays out and how big

47:15

of a jump do you want

47:17

to make with that veteran quarterback.

47:19

I mean again, the other thing is is if are you are

47:22

you going to basically leap frog Colt McCoy

47:24

as your starter to bring

47:26

in somebody else, or are you bringing in just another

47:28

body and then somebody to again

47:31

compete with Colt McCoy and may the best man

47:33

win, but it's not necessarily somebody you're bringing

47:35

in who will absolutely start. I think

47:38

that's one of the more fascinating storyline

47:41

to the offseason, given Kyler Murray's

47:43

situation. By the way, the name I've been

47:45

thrown out there, as you guys know for many weeks

47:47

now, was shot down and resounding

47:49

fashion by our Drew Stanton last Friday,

47:52

on a special edition of The Red Sea Report, the

47:54

thirteen year NFL veteran quarterback

47:57

former Cardinals QB I brought up Jacoby Brissett,

47:59

and he said, Paul Jacoby

48:01

Brissette had a good enough season for

48:04

Cleveland, He's gonna get big enough

48:06

money that it wouldn't be a good fit

48:08

for the role that he would be playing with the Cardinals.

48:11

Not to mention he's going to get

48:13

a lot of interest from his former gim, Nick

48:15

Asserio in Houston, who's

48:17

in desper need of a quarterback, and or

48:19

Josh McDaniels in Vegas is

48:22

former coach in New England.

48:24

So according to Drew, we can just crossed

48:26

Jacoby Brissette off that list. So and

48:29

by the way, in case in case you're wondering the working

48:31

list, because I've added a few names to it. You guys ready

48:33

for this? Here we go. Okay, we'll throw out Brissette,

48:36

Andy Dalton, Sam Darnold, Mike White, Baker

48:38

Mayfield, Teddy Bridgewater, Gardner, Minshew Mariota,

48:40

Tyler, Taylor, Heineke, Jared Stidham,

48:43

Carson Wentz, case Keenum, Chase

48:45

Daniel, and we're not including Derek Carror,

48:47

Jimmy G's

48:50

a Again, it's a fascinating list

48:52

of quarterbacks out there, but there's a lot of teams that deep

48:55

quarterbacks. Yep. And again you're gonna

48:57

have to convince somebody to come here and

49:00

say, well, we want you to play, but you're going to

49:02

what we either want you to play or compete

49:05

with Cole McCoy to play. And then

49:07

when Kyler Murray's healthy, you're going to be on the bench

49:09

anyway. So that's going to take some guys

49:11

out of the possibility

49:13

if they've got a chance to start all seasons

49:15

somewhere else. All right, So it's quitting

49:17

time for you guys in Indianapolis. What's next, Danny?

49:20

What's on the docket tonight? You know, you

49:22

know who's handling the social after

49:25

work hours event calendar. What's

49:27

what's lined up? It's been

49:29

a group effort. We ended

49:32

up teamwork at its best right. Yes,

49:34

other Cardinals employees and I

49:37

did some a little different than Darren last night, but

49:39

we didn't make sure to meet up at one of our local

49:42

favorite local spots out here, so I'm

49:44

sure we will do the same tonight. We've got our big

49:47

dinner at the famous Saint Elmo's Steakhouse

49:49

tomorrow evening, which I'm excited

49:51

about. Darren's looking at me, so I'm not sure what

49:54

he wants to add, but i will say Darren's fun

49:56

for those of you, For those listeners who

49:58

might think that Darren is not fun, Aaron was

50:00

a fun It could be a great time when we're out.

50:02

I will I will vous for him on that.

50:05

That was a pretty backhanded compliment

50:07

there. For what funny is Danny

50:10

said, we did something different last night. We

50:12

didn't do anything different, We just didn't go together.

50:14

It turned out we ended up going to the same restaurant. We

50:16

just happened to be there at different now.

50:19

We didn't know that, but we actually went to the same

50:21

restaurant. So it's good.

50:23

That's good. So according to Danny, it's

50:25

the first Scoutter report filed at

50:27

the Combine twenty twenty three that

50:30

Darren urban actually belies his Scoutter

50:32

report from years past and in truth

50:34

is actually fun in person. Is that what you're

50:37

saying, Danny? Did I hear that right? Yes,

50:39

that is what I'm saying, Darren. Darren has been

50:41

fun so far, so I'm excited for the restaurants. You have

50:44

a few more people from our team joining us here

50:46

tonight, so it should be a good

50:48

time. And I do want to mention real quick Paul

50:50

to the listeners. We've actually had

50:52

a few listeners which thank you

50:54

for listening. You who have in the last week or so

50:58

made a comment about the Paul Binga that

51:00

we haven't playing started the year, whether that's

51:02

been reviews, whether that's been

51:04

through the mailback. So we do appreciate that

51:06

people are enjoying us. Darren and I did not bring our

51:08

Bingo cards out to Endo. We both had

51:10

bingo, which is how we ended last week's

51:13

podcast. So we need to make a new board. But I

51:15

will say we have been having requests for people

51:17

who have maybe wanting to

51:19

be to be joining

51:21

us along from home and playing

51:23

with us. So we are working

51:26

through the logistics about making that

51:28

possible for those of you who are interested in playing

51:30

Paul Bingo with us. It wouldn't

51:32

be possible without Paul KELVC just everybody.

51:35

Some are enjoying the feedback on the bingo. Some

51:38

are enjoying the feedback on the Bingo card more than others.

51:40

Let's just clarify that, Okay, and

51:43

with you guys being at the Combine,

51:45

No, we didn't get a chance to get around a cryptocurrency

51:47

or bitcoin, so you can take that off

51:49

the stink of bingo card right about now. You

51:52

know what I think we should have We should have walked

51:54

it off with Darren's comment about he's actually

51:56

more fun in person and on the road

51:58

than people might expect. Let's leave it right

52:00

there for this road trip

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