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Or one hundred and fourteen from the Chris Westling

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podcast studio, It's Around the NFL.

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Dan Hands is here, got heroes? Greg

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Rosenthal, what did you tap the table

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for?

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I just was excited. It's like the show

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starting.

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Oh, when you make eye contact and you tap

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the table, of course, I'm gonna think you're trying

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to tell me something.

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I was just I was just like, tough start

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going, You're the You're the tough start.

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You're the tough start.

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Mark Sessler and

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uh Patrick Clayband the

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pat.

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You're the tough start is an incredible

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response.

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You know what else is incredible that no one else

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is an incredible response.

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I don't know, Patrick, I don't know.

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We have no music submissions

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to share before

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we get into the National

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Football Conference, which we'll do at

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three minute bursts with.

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Eric Roberts manning the dart

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gun.

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The trank gun by the way, Andrew

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Ceciliano in stable condition. That

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Cedar Sinai took one

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too many dart shots. It seemed like it didn't

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affect him. You guys kind of set up

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Andrew a little bit and you could

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say that it was a little

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unfair.

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If you didn't understand the rules. That just showed.

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Yeah, but you know, an ignorance of the process.

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It almost felt like and Patrick,

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as as someone that's just watching

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from the outside, on that episode, it almost

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was like he was targeted at points, like he was being

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led into a trap.

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Yeah.

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I don't feel like he was targeted, more so as

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you guys placed him in

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front in the line of fire to

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take Dart after Dart, and Eric is relentless,

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and you know that's that's just how it goes.

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That is true.

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You know you could see Eric even though

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he doesn't have any military background.

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Couldn't just see Eric doing

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some damage, like in the middle

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of the two and six murdering

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people? No, I mean, I mean, yeah,

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he's he's he's taking out the enemy

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if if he had to, Like, I could see Art

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doing that.

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I will say that I am very rules

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driven, but I am also

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very bad at first person shooter games. I

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might just be like firing a lot, I'm learning

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a clip might not hit anybody.

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Yeah, getting

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Patrick murdering people? How about serving

2:28

your country?

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Patrick?

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You can put whatever scare quotes. Where's your pin

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put on your pin. I

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support troops.

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He's done it, he's covered, he's safe. Let's

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listen to a Patrick Laibn introduction song.

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Wow jazzy,

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very nice, Yeah, I mean, lyrically, how can

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you What did he say after time?

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Momentum is not real? Is that what he said?

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I think that was the opening lyric,

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as I recall that was from Colby Night

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like that, as I think on

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the ore, I am client now because

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you know the bots are coming for us. There's some they

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got to translate some of the lyrics, but

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there was, as you would imagine, a lot

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of the content here is

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connected to momentum. That was

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no exception. Let's listen to another one, this one from

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Matthew Quick.

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Okay, he's

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from Alabama. Just

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Harry as Alma.

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Is Patrick.

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Okay, okay, okay, nice a shorter

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one, very nice voice.

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Anything.

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Patrick is so damn handsome that anything

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that even approximates ugliness,

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like he's as Harry as a Lama. It doesn't

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to me that line didn't ring true because

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his beard is immaculately groomed.

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Anybody takes the time to pin lyrics about

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me, I'm gonna appreciate it, no matter.

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What I understand. I've never felt like

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a lama. But hey, you know that's wonderful,

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Matthew.

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Let's check out this one

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kind of blew me away, Alex Badura.

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It's like a Radiohead type song.

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For you, Patrick

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Lebon, you

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are the main momentum.

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What a god, what

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a stuff.

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That's tough to top.

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I mean, I love just as having my

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own positive affirmations.

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Yeah yeah, I mean this is an ego stroke

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having your own songs, no doubt about it.

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And I thought Alex nailed

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everything.

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Obviously, the momentum things a little

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off, but everything else I could not

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quibble with any of it, including Patrick

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being a stud.

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That would be my pick.

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I also just did an incredible self

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experiment to see how far I could go into the episode

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without saying a single word, and I think I

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crossed five and a half minutes, which would be a record.

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You were missed, You were missed.

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Now that you're in there, I've been told the episode it is forty

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eight minutes long, so I think the window begins

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at some point here. But I think that third

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song is it captures the essence.

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I love when I hear that more were they

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were all great?

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Well, let's listen to one more. This is from Sam

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Gaffigan. Okay, probably not man

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who's coming pah

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trick Clay, Bob.

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Who's that man who's rarely

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wrong?

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Pa trick Clay?

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He announces with class and fossity.

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That heat announces mass time's velocity.

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Who's that man.

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Who's coming on?

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Pah trick lay bomb?

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For Dan, that was a formula for momentum.

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That's definitely my favorite lyric. That was good.

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I feel like sometimes we mix it up with colleens

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too, like we have the main one, but then we throw

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in some others.

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I would like to hear that again. But I still think number

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three.

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Yeah, Like I think I would go to you should crack

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thank They're all really good but mixed CD and give that

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to your significant other if she's ever

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wondering how great you know you are, Like

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it's sort of a hype tape hype CD for you.

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I can see the look on her face.

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You do have to play these, Lauren.

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You have to play them, just as Mark

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says, just a reminder,

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Yeah, you realize, like, I know, we're

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busy, we got kids, like we've

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known each other for so long now, and sometimes

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just a reminder and reminder. And your wife's

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a wonderful woman, but like she's married

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to Patrick Claybo. And here are some songs

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as a reminder. Let's make a like you did

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it, you got clay Bo.

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I'll fix you forgets.

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I think we all do in our marriages sometimes

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what we have you know, and

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these songs will be serve as a reminder. And you

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didn't have to like this is how you frame

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it? Okay, you're like, god, this was

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so stupid. I did a podcast that it's

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ridiculous, but like they

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played these like songs about me and

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it was dumb.

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It was dumb.

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And then see if she takes the cheek, Okay, she

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probably will like what do you mean songs about you?

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What does that mean? Also make sure that and

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then you just like lay it out and then watch

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her fall in love with.

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You all over.

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Yeah, come in hard, hard, self deprecating.

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Oh yes, you know you find it absurd. Yeah,

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you almost want to share a joke with her, but then she starts

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to feel something different.

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Just mega imposter syndrome, because

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which I do have, like the fact that people sat

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on their computers and got their instruments out and made

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songs for me, But.

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Like I would, I

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would turn off all the lights in the house right

8:27

before dinner and then maybe get

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a strobe thing going and then blast it

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and then the lights come on and you walk into

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the dinner tables.

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He's sorry they're playing. That's that's

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a huge.

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It's like the arena rock way to do it if

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anyone and those are all excellent, and thank you

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again everybody. If anyone wants to make one, that's

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just for Patrick to use at home. You know

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what I'm saying. I like that that when

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you not don't throw up the arena lights.

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Yes, light a couple of candles, get

8:52

a babysitter and then play something.

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Patrick would take that as well. A

8:56

babysitter at home while they're at home.

8:58

Get him out of the house. Yeah, okay, to the bounce

9:00

house or one of those ridiculous places.

9:04

So here, Sun, let's bounce here until my acl

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explodes. It's like, okay, great party,

9:09

my Achilles is gone.

9:11

Some of those places are falling into

9:13

disrepair. Ground.

9:14

You start bouncing a couple of ways and it's

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like, then, like this could.

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Go horribly wrong.

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Not to mention, have you ever gone to one of

9:21

those bounce houses and not have

9:23

the entire house ill within

9:26

forty eight hours of going.

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Yeah.

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Plus it's a ripe fertile

9:30

ground for like concussions. We're like two children

9:33

out of control bang heads. And then it's like, you

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know, you're dealing with that a travel concussions no fun.

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That's I feel like we might be risking losing sponsors.

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But this is an important message to get out. Enough

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of the bounce houses. Wow, what

9:44

spots you get back to the bowling out? All

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right, let's get into it without further

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ado, Patrick that you got.

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To be feeling good now, Yeah, I'm

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rifle of confidence.

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All right? With that said, time

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to go out in the NFL. Was

10:01

that the Dean screen? Damn

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listen, we had Ross pro come

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up. We fast forward twelve

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years, get a little Dean screen. What's

10:12

next?

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You know we're top Aaron

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Rodgers doing contrial

10:17

myths. I don't know. All

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right, let's get into it. It's start with in

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the NFC in the east, will go east to west,

10:24

just like we did with.

10:25

Andrew Ceciliano over

10:27

the and again Andrew is in

10:29

critical but stable condition.

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Uh.

10:32

You could send flowers or whatever you wish. They

10:34

don't send darts, no doing, no more darts.

10:37

The doctors were amazed that something

10:39

like that could happen in a controlled environment within

10:42

the NFL's building. And

10:44

I believe there will be hell to

10:46

pay, like the Otani situation. And we're

10:48

like, oh yeah, you know, we'll blame it on the

10:50

interpreter. We need to figure

10:52

out a plan post haste on where

10:54

does.

10:54

It is it?

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Eric?

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Does Eric take the Eric is pressing pressing

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the trigger right, But you could argue that

11:00

we put him in that, we put the gun

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in his hand. He did say he follows orders. Who

11:05

clipped that off before he deletes it?

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All right, let's get to it. NFC East

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Patrick Claiban the

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Dallas Cowboys.

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The Dallas Cowboys having turnover yet

11:17

again. Now Tyron Smith is going to be protecting

11:20

Aaron Rodgers. We see Tony Pollard going

11:22

elsewhere playing with Tajy Spears in

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Nashville. And my question about

11:27

the Dallas Cowboys last year was

11:29

Mike McCarthy taking over the play calling duties

11:32

and is it a Mike McCarthy or a Kellen

11:34

Moore issue or what was going

11:36

on with the Dallas Cowboys offense? No

11:39

more concerns about the offense,

11:41

and I'm looking at the defense. With Dan Quinn out

11:44

for the second year in a row, Dallas has bargain

11:47

shopped in free agency. They

11:49

made those late trades for Brandon Cooks

11:51

as well as step On Gilmour last year.

11:53

Can the Dallas Cowboys bargain hunt

11:56

their way to a Super Bowl?

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If they're allegedly quote unquote all

12:00

in, they're gonna have to in.

12:04

For all these teams, it's an incomplete grade,

12:06

but some teams more than others. I

12:08

counted up nine players

12:10

that have had significant roles on

12:12

the team that either have signed else where, most of them

12:15

are a couple others are just unsigned.

12:17

And to this point, they haven't brought in anyone

12:20

new that's gonna have a significant role except Eric

12:22

Kendricks, who's kind of at the end

12:24

of his runs as a as a

12:26

difference making player a role player at this point. So they

12:29

need like three offensive linemen. They certainly need

12:31

a running back, They need some defensive tackles. Cornerback

12:33

looks a little thin. I don't know if they'd bring back Stefan

12:35

Gilmore. So they have a lot

12:37

to do. But you know what, I actually think

12:39

their personnel department deserves a little bit of credit

12:42

here to give them some faith that over the last few

12:44

years, like they always have a good roster. So

12:46

like the Ravens, I kind of him in a weight

12:48

and see mode with the Cowboys.

12:49

I mean, I think losing Dan Quinn matters a lot.

12:51

He clicked running

12:54

that defense as well

12:56

short till then. But now, Mike's if you're Mike Zimmer,

12:58

you've seen a number of leave

13:00

your defense and it's gonna be a bit of a different scheme.

13:02

I mean, Michael Gallup is visiting with the Ravens.

13:05

It's like, I guess for me, it's it's kind of a

13:07

tired conversation. The Cowboys just bring me exhaustion

13:10

at this point. But like you did

13:12

have your owner slash GM kind

13:14

of announce we're going to do

13:16

everything we can to maximize our roster. And it's

13:18

been the quietest of every

13:20

team out there. It's been the quietest, weirdest free

13:22

agency pier not like a single real notable

13:24

addition so far.

13:25

I think in some ways, and there are different

13:28

levels to this, you know phrase, but

13:30

the window closed, DAK

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is crazy expensive, CD

13:35

is about to be insanely expensive. Parsons

13:37

forget about it, gonna be the highest paid player in the league.

13:39

They might end up being a situation where they highest

13:42

pays two played, highest two paid

13:44

players in the league on each side of the ball. And

13:46

that is very hard now to build a championship

13:49

roster around it. So since they couldn't get it going

13:51

and get it done when these guys were younger, now

13:53

it's going to be so tough.

13:55

And yeah, you're right, they have to absolutely nail the draft.

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They have won twelve games three straight years, so

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I don't think the window is closing.

14:02

I get it, but that's like that doesn't

14:04

at this point, it doesn't matter.

14:06

The problem is they've always had a really good offensive

14:08

line for the most part, and right now that

14:10

looks like a weakness, which is weird.

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Up next, the

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New York Giants. The

14:22

g Men, the

14:25

g Men.

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Time out, time out?

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Oh boy, wow early

14:32

time out.

14:35

The g Man, the

14:39

g Men, the

14:41

g g

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Men.

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LOGI yeah,

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the g Men, the

15:01

g Men, the G Man,

15:06

the g Men, the

15:11

G Man.

15:15

All right, timon, Umm,

15:21

I'm gonna spin positive. I'm

15:23

sick of it. Rosenthal is throwing

15:25

dirt all over the Giants, his

15:27

own personal issues coming through.

15:30

I'm gonna combat that.

15:33

While everyone's burying the Giants and

15:35

doing their annual springtime slurpage

15:37

of Howie Roseman and the Eagles. I

15:40

thought the Giants made easily the most impactful

15:42

move in the division with this Brian Burns trade

15:45

and then subsequent signing their

15:48

defensive line has

15:50

Burns a rising

15:53

a star who has a next level potential.

15:55

Even you have

15:57

Dexter Lawrence, I

16:00

mean another superstar. And Keveon

16:02

Thibodeau, who's you know, personal

16:05

interactions aside, had a big second

16:07

year and looks like a guy that is hitting

16:10

as a first round draft pick. Now

16:12

they're all together and if they stay

16:14

healthy. I know there's issues

16:16

other places, and I know everybody wants to focus

16:18

on the Saquon Left thing, but that

16:21

is a game wrecking defensive line and

16:23

it could lift the entire defense and

16:25

win games.

16:27

Yeah.

16:27

I think that is a

16:29

team strength that matters a lot inside of

16:32

this division. Brian Burns

16:34

was a coupeta I look at. I also

16:36

think Jermaine Illuminor along the offensive line is

16:38

a versatile guy who adds. They need to

16:40

add bodies there. So my one thing

16:42

with them is you're into year three of

16:44

this regime, and we know

16:46

that Daniel Jones is not part of this team after

16:49

this season. And in fact, it's like, I don't

16:51

he feels to me like on strange

16:54

soil already. I don't care about

16:56

the Drew lock signing. You are sitting there high

16:58

up in the draft. Do you pass on someone

17:00

like JJ McCarthy who

17:03

would a.

17:03

Pieces around them.

17:04

I don't mind that they moved on from Saqua, but it's like I would

17:06

look at quarterback.

17:07

I just would to match up

17:09

with this solid defensive front.

17:10

I just think, considering the

17:13

decisions that they have made at the quarterback position

17:15

and how that set them up that if they're

17:17

not sold on a quarterback and you

17:19

get to have your mark on

17:21

the pick and the way that the franchise goes, and next

17:23

year they have an opportunity to either make that

17:25

defensive line that Dan was talking about even

17:27

more of a strength. They could come in

17:30

and add a wide receiver in these top because

17:32

considering where they're picking, the quarterbacks are

17:34

going to go early, a very very good football player

17:37

is going to be available.

17:37

They can make the rest of the team better.

17:39

And I think if you add like a Romo

17:41

Dunze to this group with Darius

17:44

Slayton and Jadie Hyatt. You get a good group

17:46

for some quarterback, whether it's Daniel Jones or

17:48

somebody they get later this year. But I just

17:50

think if you're reaching for a quarterback, if you're trying to

17:52

solve this problem, then you're you're

17:54

exacerbating.

17:55

Right.

17:56

I'm surprised that there's been so much quarterback talk because

17:58

like, taking the fourth quarterback when

18:00

you have the six pick seems like a disaster. In

18:02

a draft that has three number one wide receivers,

18:05

Malikue Neighbors might still be there at number three,

18:07

and they need to find their guys. I look

18:09

at this, and I look at some other gms like

18:11

Ryan Poles in Chicago that are entering year three,

18:13

and I can see his guys. Who are Joe Shane's

18:16

guys. There, guys are Gettleman's guys.

18:18

They're best players. I

18:20

saw, I heard that eat it and

18:23

Jones. People can say

18:25

all this thing about the quarterback.

18:26

He's gonna get the second year on this contract

18:29

and we'll see what happens after

18:31

that.

18:32

Okay, up next,

18:34

Greggye the Eagles.

18:37

Fun offseason so far for the Eagles,

18:39

They've signed you know, three or four of the

18:41

top thirty or forty free agents available. With Bryce

18:44

Huff, I like Chauncey Gardner, Johnson coming

18:46

back, Saquon is gonna be a great fit. They

18:49

just keep adding little pieces, and yet I still look

18:51

at it and it's like, does Vic Fangio have what

18:53

he needs? Does Vic fan Gio still have the magic

18:55

touch?

18:55

Too? Sure?

18:56

A couple of like mixed years.

18:59

Uh, do they still.

19:00

Have everyone hated him?

19:01

Lest right?

19:02

I mixed this maybe being kind like,

19:04

do they still have the best roster

19:07

in the NFL? Because I look at

19:09

the two lines and there's maybe

19:11

some questions, but they've planned ahead with Tyler Steen,

19:14

Cam Jurgens on the offensive line.

19:15

Hassan Redick is still there.

19:16

They're probably gonna trade him, but I look at

19:18

a lot of depth on both of the lines. I look

19:20

at a fantasy football spectacular on

19:23

offense. The secondary has some question

19:25

marks, but maybe that's what the draft is for.

19:28

Is this still the best roster in the league? Because I

19:30

believe I don't know if it's

19:32

the best roster.

19:33

I cannot think of too many

19:35

examples of a quality team

19:37

like this with a lot of high

19:39

profile parts where you're going on to the

19:41

third straight year on both sides.

19:43

Of the ball with a different coordinator.

19:45

I mean that affects

19:47

things, especially on offense, it does

19:49

on defense.

19:50

I want to see what happens with Reddick.

19:51

I think Reddick, I think when you're Howie Roseman,

19:54

I just expect him to create three or

19:56

four notable moves before we

19:58

get into the summer.

19:59

It's like they're not done.

20:00

And one of those moves seemed like an admission

20:03

right with that, the way that they handled Gj's

20:06

departure, like they were lost

20:08

in the secondary. And maybe you can make the case that that

20:10

reason for that coordinator change was

20:13

because they were bad. We saw the Eagles

20:15

lose a coordinator because they were good.

20:17

And you know, how much confidence do you have

20:19

when you saw things fall off at the end of the season. I

20:22

think I still have it because Jalen

20:24

was hurt. AJ was hurt. Not

20:26

only were the decisions and the play

20:28

calling kind of questionable down the stretch, but the players

20:30

were hurt. I just don't

20:32

know that Kellen Moore really

20:35

excites me, and I wonder how

20:37

many very talented quarterbacks

20:39

are going to be saddled with Kellen Moore and have

20:42

disappointing results.

20:42

And it supposedly his offense. It's no longer Nick Siriani's

20:45

offense.

20:46

And that's that's deserve

20:48

it after what happened down the stretch, and you know, you don't

20:50

have Kelsey in that building, you don't have Cox in

20:53

the building. And we were talking about that, you

20:56

and we were talking about the

20:58

Improvement Index, Greggie. They were twenty

21:00

seventh in that in terms of you

21:03

know, the roster losses and their drafts

21:05

standing. So there is a

21:07

way to look at this roster and say it depreciated

21:10

in some ways as well.

21:11

I think it's it is important to remember

21:14

losing Jason Kelcey is a massive loss.

21:17

Now I look at the rest of their losses.

21:19

Fletcher Cox certainly was valuable

21:21

to them, but I think they've replaced him and prepared

21:25

everyone else leaving the team.

21:26

I can live with that. Well, they lost.

21:28

I know this is like hard to assess, but they lost

21:30

like locker room leadership on a

21:32

team that was in total chaos by the end of last season.

21:41

Kids smart.

21:44

Excited to stop talking there. That

21:46

wasn't about the team, wasn't about

21:48

the team. Who was the dark fired?

21:50

I was just it missed

21:52

Dan. I think the game Dan's jus fielder.

21:56

I mean, that's are we allowed to talk?

21:58

I thought we weren't allowed to talk about thought that was a conceit.

22:02

It's also a complete law. It's a completely lawless.

22:05

All right, let me let me uh now,

22:07

you're making new rules all the challenge

22:10

flags.

22:10

We can talk, but it can't be about the teams. Well,

22:12

what's the point challenge flag?

22:14

The circus.

22:14

It's almost like, you know what makes the podcast

22:16

better? We can talk, it

22:19

just can't be about that topic, you know what I

22:21

mean? Like and in that case, I

22:23

was giving Mark kudos.

22:25

They like nine years in, let's just make some new rules.

22:27

Well, I appreciate the compliment.

22:29

I think if you're Eric, it's like the rules of this game

22:31

seems to change every five or six minutes.

22:33

I think more darts makes the podcast.

22:36

If if now, if I would have said a point,

22:38

if I would have followed up on the point Mark made

22:42

darting to hell out of bounds, put me

22:44

in hades with a dart?

22:45

Gotcha?

22:46

All right?

22:46

With that said, more darts? Mark

22:49

the Washington Commanders, they gonna

22:51

keep that name. I would

22:53

love to see them change that name. None of us

22:55

have ever ever bought into that.

22:57

I don't hate what they did in free agency at

23:00

all because I started their early

23:02

look at I've done that two days in a row.

23:03

Too bad.

23:04

I think Dorance Armstrong following Dan Quinn,

23:07

Frankie Louvo, We've all talked about him, Bobby Wagner,

23:10

Jeremy Chan It's like there's some veteran

23:13

like identity on this team, and I think that was needed. And

23:15

I like, I know, of course, like you

23:17

know, you move on from your quarterback. They absolutely

23:19

are taking one at number two. Daniel

23:22

Jeremiah has them taking Drake May. I mean I see

23:24

the Drake May like assessments are

23:26

all over the map, Like I like Chris Sims

23:29

hasn't in a tier below bow

23:31

Nix and Michael Pennix Junior. It's like, I

23:33

don't know who's going to number two. I don't know what the commanders

23:36

think, but I have one questions. I think this like

23:38

addition to the team kind of flew under the radar

23:40

a little bit, Like you've got a new quarterback

23:43

and a lot of new pieces on offense. Like do

23:45

we trust like as Cliff Kingsbury

23:47

someone we trust at this point to helm

23:50

a rookies like opening

23:52

salve into the NFL. It's like I that

23:54

to me is is is a big question mark.

23:56

And I don't know why we would have reason

23:58

to say that we do have.

24:02

I just haven't necessarily seen it.

24:03

Especially a man that found a way to out of losing record with

24:05

Patrick Mahomes.

24:07

And then he comes over

24:09

to USC and Caleb gets worse.

24:11

Right, there was a serious

24:13

regression in the quarterback that's going to go number

24:16

one overall. And so now the Cliff

24:18

move signaled to people that always is

24:21

Washington going to try to get the number one overall picked,

24:23

and there hasn't been any sort of move

24:25

towards that yet. And I'm just wondering what

24:28

position we're putting a rookie quarterback,

24:30

and if it's a rookie, if they go

24:32

another direction. I'm just very confused about

24:35

the team. And this is a franchise

24:37

we thought we were gonna get more clarity from and

24:39

it feels like we've actually gotten lot.

24:41

And if ever it was not a quarterback they have Marcus Mariota,

24:44

I don't think they're letting

24:47

the media know at all what they're interested in, and so

24:49

they're sort of a vacuum in people just speculating, which actually

24:52

is a good sign.

24:52

That's different than what was happening in Washington

24:55

in the past. No, I don't think anyone's gonna know whether

24:57

it's Jane Daniels or Drake me until drafting

25:00

just fun and I think is a sign of a they're

25:02

getting better.

25:02

I like the approach. They've brought in so many players.

25:05

Fourteen new players have

25:07

come in from other organizations, eight have

25:09

gone. I think that's the way to do it with a team like this,

25:11

Just hope you hit on seven or eight role

25:14

players. And some of

25:16

the moves like like Luvu, like Armstrong. I

25:18

think I've been among the best in free agency.

25:20

Yeah, a lot of their.

25:21

Moves haven't blown me away,

25:23

but it's like, Okay, he seems useful.

25:25

He seems useful.

25:27

That could work. The Mariota thing blows my mind

25:29

that he keeps getting a job. But otherwise I thought like

25:32

they've been effective and using free

25:34

agency to overhaul the roster and you

25:36

have a new head coach, and it did any team need

25:38

more of a kind of like a reset this

25:41

year than Washington now will work.

25:43

We'll see are they a lot better? We'll see

25:45

but at least they're trying. And then if

25:47

you hit on the quarterback, who knows?

25:49

Who knows? So I give him a

25:51

solid B for their offseason.

25:52

So far, I'd agree. I

25:55

hope they take Jayden Daniels. That's where I only

25:57

know.

25:58

All right, we're just getting go and see

26:01

under the old rules, i'd take a dart right now.

26:04

I don't know.

26:04

There are no rules like at this we've established that. Am

26:07

I allowed to talk or just you? I don't even know.

26:08

I feel like some people think the dart is a part

26:10

of that music sound effect because

26:13

it's so common.

26:15

It's true, how's your AMMO doing?

26:16

You? You fire off so many darts that

26:19

I start to wonder, like where who's your unlimited

26:24

never ends? One of the scariest.

26:26

Things was Eric saying I'm

26:28

good at taking orders like we he

26:30

could be a killing machine. H as

26:33

like an assassin. What was the Bill Hayter Show,

26:35

Barry Roberts

26:38

Sleep or Cell spin Off? All right,

26:41

let's take a break and we'll get to the NFC

26:43

North.

26:45

All right, we are back. Let's get to the NFC

26:47

North.

26:47

Let's get right into it with the Chicago

26:50

Bears. I'll start this one off

26:53

Uh, they have improved their roster.

26:55

There is no doubt about that. Love

26:57

the Keenan Allen move, DeAndre

26:59

Swift, cool, Kevin Bayyard,

27:01

Okay, Gerald Everett nice addition

27:04

to the tight end room and

27:06

now everything all attention

27:09

obviously turns to the number one overall pick. Everyone

27:11

knows where this guy where they're going to go

27:13

with this, and the barring some type of absurdity,

27:16

Caleb Williams becomes that guy. So I

27:19

speaking of off seasons where I give a solid

27:21

B so far, I like what the Bears have done.

27:23

I'd even bump them claybonto a B.

27:25

Plus because the first job you

27:27

have to do when you bring in a pick

27:29

of this ilk, a number one overall pick, is

27:31

don't surround him with trash. They they're

27:34

trying to set up infrastructure to let the kid

27:36

hit the ground running a las CJ.

27:37

Stroud. Let's see if it works.

27:39

Yeah, And they have a very good example from

27:41

Chicago of what not to do with

27:43

a quarterback that goes in the first round

27:46

and how to surround him and how to provide

27:48

him with the opportunity to be successful.

27:50

So you think they take the lessons that they learned

27:52

from the justin fields experience, and I'm

27:55

looking at Keenan Allen as still

27:58

a one like Keenan And of course there's

28:00

there's injuries. Everybody in the league is going to deal

28:03

with injuries at some point. But the

28:05

way that his game is structured, he can contribute

28:08

three four, I still think maybe six years

28:11

down the road. And then you change DJ

28:13

Moore and the way that defenses can focus

28:15

on him. It's all set up there. What's

28:18

the schedule like for Caleb and how

28:20

are they going to facilitate him to be successful.

28:23

I'm gonna have to see it. I love.

28:25

I love also that they got Keenan Allen

28:27

for a four and because their cap situation

28:29

was what it was, they could absorb that salary versus

28:32

him going being cut at some point, and they you know,

28:34

they were able to make that trade Keenan

28:36

Allen, DJ Moore. It's part a

28:38

part of two parts because the second part is the draft.

28:40

Obviously we know it's Caleb Williams number one

28:42

barring a stunner, but then they've got the number nine,

28:44

pick two, and it's like, do you just go like maybe

28:47

Robot, like, do you get the best wide receiver

28:49

a possible and suddenly you've got a

28:51

stacked offense.

28:52

So I think Gerald Everett matters too.

28:53

Right, they could be at a spot where those top

28:56

three receivers are off the board, and then the

28:58

value doesn't seem like it's there, so they take

29:00

a tackle there that's where this draft

29:02

is, or they really back, or they take the top defensive

29:04

player on the board. I think Ryan Pols

29:06

has done the thing, which in the thing is by

29:09

year three of being there, I want

29:11

to have some stamp on my team. I want to

29:13

have evidence

29:15

that my you know, time

29:17

here has been worthy, and I think he has. He's

29:19

built up a defense that has an identity. Ibra Flus

29:22

made it happen a year ago. But they're still

29:24

very thin on the like they could use another

29:26

tackle. Certainly, they could use another receiver. Keen

29:28

Allen's on a one year deal and they have no third

29:30

receiver, no fourth receiver, no nothing, so that they

29:32

could look for another one.

29:34

I mean, feels like a great time to have two top

29:36

ten picks, so they it just there's

29:39

reason for hope. And yes, the the fields

29:41

thing turned into kind of the fiasco

29:44

with the way the trade ended

29:46

up playing out, but it's all in the past now and you move

29:48

forward as an organization and maybe

29:51

brighter days are ahare for once.

29:52

The Bears are worth some hype,

29:56

deserve it.

29:56

So I'm watching. We're on a freaking

29:59

monitor. Stopped talking before

30:01

hit zero, and.

30:03

As someone who's the tee up of the segment, I had

30:05

put a bow on it. Then you came in.

30:07

Well that's because I said, I saw the four three

30:09

two one. I thought I'd get one last shot.

30:12

I'm not worried about my field goal percentage,

30:14

like those guys in the NBA who holded that extra

30:16

half second where they.

30:17

Keep shooting him, give it to me. I think it was

30:19

still in the hands. Mark

30:23

on the fingertips.

30:25

Stronger dart for Greg Sharpshooters

30:27

prerogative. Detroit Lions, Mark

30:29

Sessler.

30:31

I like some of the very lionsy type

30:33

things that they did, like DJ Reader,

30:36

really good football player to add to the defensive

30:38

line, Kevin Zeitler can still play

30:40

and like he is sort of a nasty, beefy human

30:43

to add to their offensive line. The

30:45

thing with the Lions, like last couple of years, it's like their

30:47

defense kind of let them down. And I know they were better

30:49

last year than the year before I do wonder

30:52

if they could pull I know they went and got Carlton Davis.

30:55

They re signed Emmanuel Moseley.

30:57

Amik Robertson's there as well, but they have twenty

30:59

six million in cap space and there

31:02

is this behind door number two option.

31:04

They were listed as one of six teams that had

31:06

a potential interest in Lugerious

31:08

Snead. He can play all over the place

31:10

as a cornerback. Is it's so crazy

31:12

for a team that's on the precipice of Super

31:15

Bowl.

31:16

You know their window is right open.

31:18

Go get a difference making cornerback who could

31:20

also I think if you use them correctly, he

31:22

is a total quarterback nuisance. As a blitzer,

31:25

it would add a whole element to a Lions

31:27

secondary that looked completely different, like do you.

31:29

Just go for it?

31:29

They are also aware

31:32

and made a statement about Cameron

31:35

Sutton, their cornerback who they brought

31:37

in for a lot of money last year, who's being investigated

31:39

police in Florida. I've been searching for him about

31:41

two weeks after in the West Warrens for a domestic

31:44

violence case. So that and they release

31:46

the statement. They're aware of it, and

31:48

that's another thing at that position

31:51

that I think is a concern. I was thinking too,

31:53

they could be a spot for Justin

31:56

Simmons, who's a free agent at safety. They

31:58

could certainly need another safety. Uh,

32:00

they've these signings. Marcus Davenport

32:02

was another one, like Zeitler was a one year deal. These

32:04

are all very much like, let's add

32:07

a little sprinkled to get over the top on.

32:09

Some high risk, hy reward one year deals.

32:11

I think the departure of Jonah Jackson was

32:14

something that really meant something. But think

32:16

Kevin Zeitler comes over and you feel

32:18

solid about that. I just in

32:21

terms of the Jared

32:23

Goff discussion, feels so much

32:26

better about Jared Golf then

32:28

sure maybe maybe?

32:29

And Ben Johnson I think he might get a contract

32:31

this offseason. Yeah, why not.

32:33

It's there's the negatives

32:36

there are vastly outweighed by thinking

32:38

about Jamior Gibbs coming back his second season,

32:40

knowing how to operate in the offense, and

32:43

more Jamo as well on the outside.

32:46

I'm more James, more James Jamo.

32:49

Yeah, the defense has been the focus. Reader

32:52

Davenport robertson Carlton Davis

32:54

third. Okay, Davis was a big time

32:56

move Now let's see if that takes

32:58

the defense from back end of the thirty

33:00

two, if they finished twenty fourth in the league in yards

33:03

per play allowed last year to the

33:05

middle or even a little bit higher, and that could be the

33:07

difference for this team to getting over the hump

33:09

in the NFC exciting times. Indeed,

33:12

I always am a little worried though about the I

33:14

mean, they've whoever whoever

33:17

enters the year where it's like, oh, we just need

33:19

a little more. And I think Dan Campbell said

33:21

it in the blocker room, like there's no guarantee we ever

33:23

get back there. And the NFC,

33:26

I think is going to look better this year. As much

33:28

as I like Jared Goff, he's still not one of the best

33:30

quarterbacks in the league.

33:31

Like that division is back, there will be

33:33

tough Thorny.

33:38

Indeed, technically

33:45

I was seconding.

33:46

His I thought you were that. See

33:49

that just shows again mcnanimous. I

33:52

didn't say nice job, Mark, I

33:54

was actually agreeing with the which is over the deadline

33:56

of the class.

33:57

I wasn't gonna say anything because I didn't know. I'm trying

33:59

to go dart for you today.

34:02

You do, like our last guest, We'll see

34:04

we'll see up next.

34:07

The Packers with Greg Rosenthal.

34:09

I struggled in this exercise

34:12

thinking like, what is the big need for the Packers?

34:14

Have they have they refreshed their roster

34:16

that fast, that like they can do anything

34:19

on draft day.

34:20

Certainly they could use a safety, but they did.

34:22

Just add Daru McKinney to big

34:25

time money was one of my favorite

34:27

moves in free agency. Left tackle

34:29

I think could be one, and they've had such a good history

34:31

of finding values. But you look at

34:33

this roster and all it's just goody

34:36

picks sprinkled up and down

34:38

the draft, I mean up and down the roster.

34:40

I guess cornerback would be the spot you have. You

34:43

brought Keyshaw Nixon back the returner,

34:45

but Jaya Alexander still around. People

34:47

didn't necessarily expect that. Eric Stokes

34:49

like they could get better there. And yet I look at this roster

34:51

and like a lot of homegrown talent.

34:53

It's a there's a lot to like, and Josh

34:56

Jacobs and aj Dillon to me, is

34:58

a fun combination at running back.

35:01

I don't like.

35:01

Josh Jacobs versus

35:03

where they were a year ago running back, but that's

35:05

my own personal bias. I

35:07

think Xavier McKinney was one of the best

35:10

signings. And it's a little bit anti Packers

35:12

to go out and spend that money the way they did, but they

35:14

have sprinkled. They're able to do that because they've sprinkled

35:16

in so many good draft picks. And it

35:18

really so much of it is like everything that happened

35:20

last year poster and Rodgers is everything he was asking

35:23

for before. And I think one of the bigger

35:25

issues was defensive coordinator

35:27

situation was becoming a lightning rod all over the place.

35:29

Jeff Hafley is, you know, comes in

35:32

with a better situation the secondary. I'm very

35:34

inched to see how he performs because he's

35:36

basically one of the rare guys that like left a head

35:38

coaching job in college flat

35:40

out because he was tired of college football operates.

35:42

Josh Jacobs is the only player that's

35:45

going to start on offense that isn't a

35:47

Packers draft pick from the last five years.

35:49

Yes, and crazy, and that luxury

35:51

allows them to kind of do whatever.

35:54

And I think that tackle spot is the place to

35:56

fill and if say a JC Latham

35:58

is off the board at twenty five, I think

36:00

the Packers are a solid trade down candidate

36:02

to try to get because if you're a believer

36:04

in this whole, well, you can get a receiver anywhere. The

36:07

Packers hit on almost every single

36:09

one of them in the past couple of years, so that, like

36:11

Goody can can do whatever, and Jordan Love

36:14

gives you the opportunity to just kind of take a

36:16

shot.

36:16

Love is huge, obviously.

36:19

I saw a meme floating around one of my favorite

36:21

movies ever, Goodwill Hunting, when Will

36:23

goes after this a star's guard character, and

36:25

he goes talking about math for him, but

36:27

it's for the Packers and picking quarterbacks. Do

36:30

you know how easy this is for me? Do you have

36:32

any idea how easy this is?

36:34

This is a joke, And I'm sorry you can't

36:36

do this, I really am, because I wouldn't

36:38

have to sit here and watch you fumble around

36:41

and get up. That's basically

36:43

the Packers to twenty four other teams

36:45

in the league that cannot find quarterbacks,

36:47

They've found three in a row. My one point is

36:49

you don't have Joe Barry to

36:51

kick around anymore. They got him out of the building.

36:53

Mark, Yeah, you like Goodwill

36:56

Hunting?

36:56

I love it.

36:57

I also love when he's you know, goes after the man

36:59

with ponytail early on iconic

37:01

line about them apples. Yeah, that guy is

37:03

an annoying academic.

37:04

He gets an.

37:05

Great actor, great casting.

37:07

Yes, he looks like a central casting

37:10

intellectual oath.

37:14

I feel like you're a baited into that one.

37:16

Not at all, stop it.

37:18

I was not watching the clock to Thanky Davis

37:23

all right, next Patrick the Vikings.

37:26

So the Minnesota Vikings go out and make

37:29

a trade.

37:29

They trade a future second round

37:31

pick as well as a late

37:33

round pick, and they're forty

37:36

number forty two to move up. It makes

37:38

me feel like they will take a shot

37:40

to try, at least try Questy sending

37:42

out some feelers and offers to get a

37:44

quarterback move up in the draft in twenty twenty

37:47

four. My question about the Vikings the

37:49

huge departure of Kirk Cousins. How

37:51

long does Sam Darnold fendoff

37:54

whoever the Vikings draft at quarterback

37:56

in twenty twenty.

37:59

Guess it doesn't it depend on how

38:01

big this swing is for the Vikings, or

38:03

does it not matter if they take any quarterback in the first

38:05

round.

38:07

Sam's kind of.

38:07

Basically, they somehow get you to three and

38:10

take Jade Daniels or Drake

38:13

may I feel like it's less of a leash. I actually

38:15

think they still would tend to lean

38:17

towards starting Darnold to start the season, but it'd be less

38:19

of elease if it's if it's a guy in the second

38:21

round. Like, I'm not totally convinced

38:23

that they're going to take a quarterback in the first round,

38:25

just because we all think.

38:26

I think that's the natural inclination once they

38:29

got that second pick, is that they were arming themselves

38:31

to march up the board. But maybe they have a whole

38:33

different plan that they're about to unfurl.

38:36

Or maybe they like Michael Pennix and

38:38

are going to take him at twenty three or something

38:40

like that and see what happens at

38:43

eleven.

38:43

They they've sneakily had.

38:46

The most transition

38:48

of almost any team in the NFL over the last

38:50

two years. I counted eleven players

38:53

that are out the door that had significant roles

38:55

that have signed with other teams already this year,

38:57

and they've had fourteen players come

39:00

in and I and I like it. I've liked Questy's

39:02

process. I like the players that they've brought in. For the most

39:04

part, Aaron Jones, certainly Jonathan

39:06

Gridard Cashman, Vin Ginkle, Like it's a fun group of

39:08

players they brought in, but it is really

39:10

a different roster than it was two years ago.

39:12

Yeah, they questy like openly,

39:15

you know, talked about churning the like

39:17

the roster of the process, and they found a way without going

39:19

to the darkness stray and all that. I do find

39:21

it interesting because Daniel Jeremiah

39:23

typically does not include trades and before

39:26

his final mock draft, and he went out of us

39:28

with this way to do because of what these They added

39:30

that second pick, the hasle moving

39:32

up to number four, trading with the Cardinals to get JJ McCarthy.

39:35

And I think it comes down to if you're Kevin O'Connell, do you

39:37

have a guy that you fall in love with?

39:38

And that kind of greases the skids for a trade

39:41

up.

39:41

There's a lot of McCarthy Viking

39:43

spoke and I get all that and the focus

39:45

on the offense, and they've done a great job building up the offense.

39:47

The line's good. Addison was a good pick, and

39:50

yeah, I look at this defense. It's the opposite

39:52

of the Packers, like they have almost

39:54

no homegrown Day one or two.

39:56

They literally don't have a Day one or two guy

40:00

that was drafted on their team that's starting for their defense

40:02

other than Harrison Smith. He's been there thirteen years.

40:04

Like they have no premier homegrown talent a defense.

40:07

That's a tough way to live.

40:07

Kind of to me. I'm curious what

40:10

their plan is.

40:11

Was the Donald move strictly a move

40:13

like, here's our backup plan if the draft

40:16

doesn't go our way or they

40:18

see Donald as a depreciated asset, then they

40:20

can with a cheap QB build up the roster

40:23

quickly around him and take a swing. I

40:25

guess we'll find out. That's

40:31

the NFC North. We take

40:33

a break and we hit the South. All

40:38

right, we're back. Mark, do you want to do

40:40

you want to give a bayside? I

40:43

want to give a bayside a try?

40:45

Yeah?

40:45

Sure, Well no, he has to say, you're

40:48

not allowing to out here. I had no chance at it?

40:50

Know, all right, hit

40:52

it, Eric, did

41:05

you understand the assignment?

41:06

I do not have any idea what you're asking comes

41:09

back from the break with the baysides thing.

41:12

That might be what Mark just kind of checking out.

41:14

He might not be aware of what.

41:15

But then usually naturally you

41:17

have about this next do you want me to say.

41:19

That, I'll do it.

41:19

I'll see what he says, you say, and then

41:21

coming.

41:22

Back out of the last break, you'll

41:24

give it a shot.

41:26

I'll just I'll just.

41:28

Said, do you want to try basside and you just said sure?

41:30

You had no idea what I.

41:32

Play the song?

41:32

I mean because it's like, like you know these things, I kind

41:34

of am more like a I mean react mode during that we

41:36

would come out of these long, lengthy enjoyment breaks.

41:39

That we have.

41:39

Okay, so here they come, here it comes,

41:41

and then we'll the last all

41:48

right, welcome back. We now move on to the

41:51

thing.

41:51

Yeah, but I thought you wanted me to do it.

41:54

Yes, I'm showing you this

41:56

time around.

41:56

And then for our last break, I'll do it to my own I'll do

41:59

it in my own way.

42:00

Okay, when the time comes, that's what we really want.

42:02

Okay, there we go mark

42:06

the Falcons. That was a journey.

42:08

Yeah, no, I feel I at this point, I'm just

42:10

completely lost. At see I would I would ask here

42:13

we go remember

42:15

the old like IBM you make the call commercials.

42:18

Those were fun, like the back when you know there was like not

42:20

you know there was a less nonsense going on, so you could focus

42:23

on it and like you and your dad would argue over like the penalty

42:25

call. I don't remember those, but it might have proceeded

42:27

your watching at it. It was like it

42:30

was old well, but uh, I want

42:32

you to imagine in this world that like Terry

42:34

Fontineau Falcons GM has

42:37

received a case of sunstroke after a like

42:39

a front office boat party at the George

42:42

DS. Sparks Reservoir which is outside of Atlanta,

42:44

and he's down for the county, can't attend the draft,

42:47

so you have to make the call, and you

42:49

are looking at a pretty loaded

42:52

Falcons offense pick number eight.

42:54

Though you can help Raheem Morris get

42:56

a foundational defensive player, picking

42:58

Dallas turn the number one out of

43:00

Alabama in the draft.

43:02

They need that.

43:03

Or you can look at a wide receiver

43:05

room with Drake London,

43:07

Darnell Mooney, Rondell Moore, and Kyle

43:10

Pitts and you just go

43:12

go get Roma Dunze and just say Kirk

43:14

Cousins. No matter, even if your Achilles

43:16

is still only at thirty percent, you cannot help but

43:18

hit one of these players on every pass attempt.

43:20

That you have, you make the call.

43:23

Great, I

43:26

think I'm taking the defensive plate. Well, Dounday's

43:28

a unique case. Is he duplicative

43:31

of Drake London. They're kind of similar

43:33

in some way, So although you would love to have both,

43:36

I don't think he'll be there. I kind of think the first six

43:38

seven picks of the draft are guy going to be quarterback, wide receiver.

43:40

It's like an ultimate Fantasy showdown.

43:42

So unless they are willing

43:45

to move up, I have a feeling they'll be

43:47

gone. And their defense looks

43:50

like one of the worst defenses in the league on paper.

43:52

It's kind of flown under the raidar. You know who

43:54

they've signed on defense this offseason. Nobody,

43:57

literally nobody. Their edge rushers

43:59

are Arnold Abauhetti and Lorenzo

44:01

Carter, and the other positions are pretty thin too.

44:04

Best defensive player on the board. Seems like it's working out

44:06

well for them. I feel yeah, easily.

44:08

And I think Dallas Turner is in

44:10

a spot where the Falcons would be able to get him

44:12

and.

44:12

The value there.

44:13

Considering that while we love all

44:15

of these offensive guys, not

44:18

all of them are going to pan out. It's very rare

44:20

to think that every single one of them is offering

44:23

the value that we think Dallas Turner

44:25

might provide. He was a younger guy who's got

44:27

the measurables off the charts. It

44:29

seems like a no break, especially considering that

44:32

Atlanta has tried, like you go back ten

44:34

to fifteen years, like Vic Beasley, all

44:36

these guys off the edges.

44:37

They've replaced the Jets as the team never having

44:40

an edge rusher.

44:40

Do you want to hear the freaky thing?

44:42

What's that?

44:43

The freaky thing is now Falcons

44:45

say we haven't had an edge rusher

44:47

since it's also John Abraham.

44:51

The Jets fans were saying that for twelve years

44:53

about John Abraham, and now the Falcon

44:56

years, Falcons are saying.

44:57

The same thing.

44:57

Maybe he leaves the same guy leaves on

45:00

these teams. When that's what I'm.

45:01

Saying, How is it possible he's

45:03

like the guy who doesn't teach the next generation

45:05

how to do things, and somehow it's lasted for fifteen

45:08

years.

45:09

Abraham, they're number one, far and away

45:11

on the improvement.

45:12

In Ducks Cousins. Yeah,

45:18

it was zero.

45:18

It's fair could have gone

45:20

to either the best part he is greg pointing at the Zeros

45:24

they're zeros.

45:25

The other time I said it. The first time it

45:27

was that one Greg the Panthers,

45:30

Oh the Panthers. I feel like we haven't given

45:32

a lot of Panthers love Panthers offseason.

45:35

I like what they've done.

45:37

They've they've decided offensive

45:39

line and Deontay Johnson

45:42

like that's the best way to help Bryce Song.

45:43

I think it makes sense.

45:44

He spent a lot of money for Damian Lewis

45:46

and Robert Hunt's not my money though, and they

45:48

are definitely better. Yosh Nigeman

45:51

from the Packers actually is a guy who I

45:53

had in my top hundred.

45:54

I like a lot and so that that's all good.

45:56

And then I look at the defense and I think this was

45:58

a pretty good defense, and I like a

46:00

giro Evro. There's a reason why other

46:03

teams wanted him. And I just think, man, a lot of talent's

46:05

gonna out the door. Frankie

46:08

Luvu, Brian Burns, Dante

46:10

Jackson, Grossmatos, who is

46:12

a good player. And they've brought

46:14

some in like DJ Wanham and Josie Joel, but

46:16

not big time players Jordan Fuller, and they're

46:19

asking a lot out of a Giro Everro. Like the focus

46:21

has only been on the offense, and now they might

46:23

not be good at anything, is my point.

46:25

Yeah, well they Yeah, they lost key components

46:27

on that side of the ball, and they're a team

46:30

largely without an identity other than the fact that they've

46:32

largely failed at quarterback and up front of him.

46:34

He was poorly protected though all year,

46:36

and I can't think of a quarterback in the league that you don't

46:39

want to get hit as many times as

46:41

he was. I think Robert Hunt is a great signing.

46:43

He was a six PFF's number six guard

46:45

last year. He looked like it's a big loss for the Dolphins.

46:48

You needed to go do that.

46:49

I just think the number one thing is Dave Canalis.

46:52

Two years in a row. He's revived a quarterbacks career.

46:54

This seems more challenging than even Gino or

46:56

Baker Baker Mayfield.

46:57

And you can feel the panic around the because

47:01

the way the draft played out, and then Stroud instantly

47:03

became the start. So they're like, holy God,

47:05

what are we going to do? So let's redo the interior

47:07

of the line. Let's remember he's not a very tall quarterback,

47:10

so it's very important to have some maulers up front.

47:12

That can really get things under control coming

47:14

down. What was the old Tom Brady thing, you know, bring

47:16

the pressure right at him right.

47:18

Pressure doesn't make it up the middle. So there

47:20

are two who does.

47:21

They add a wide receiver Deontay Johnson

47:24

Claybon, who is very talented. It certainly

47:26

bumps back guys like Adam Feelin, which is necessary

47:29

into a different spot on the depth chart.

47:30

So they're trying and we'll

47:32

see what else they can do here.

47:34

Yeah, as far as influences the

47:36

perception, c J. Stroud benefited from a

47:38

lot of that team that was there right at least

47:40

Laramie Tunsel was brought to benefit

47:42

another quarterback right when the Texans

47:44

were making that original run, and so the

47:46

Texans had this upheaval. Dimico

47:49

comes in, but c J. Strout was in a much

47:51

better position. The team was in a much better position

47:53

than the twenty twenty three Carolina Panthers,

47:55

where, yeah, Adam Thielen is your number one,

47:58

and you've got rookies and guys that did necessarily

48:00

work out elsewhere. I think there's reason

48:02

to be confident. But I'm also looking at

48:05

Aziro Evro and the defense, like Greg mentioned,

48:07

where it seems based on Jeremy

48:09

Chin's falling off of the planet that

48:12

they have a stated belief and this is the type

48:14

of player, this is the system that we're

48:16

going to operate in, and if you don't do that particular

48:19

thing, then we don't want you to

48:21

play on.

48:21

Right, Who are their edge rushers?

48:24

And you've kind of brought in these maulers in the in the

48:26

on the line, but they're like run first

48:29

guys, and you don't really have a running back by the way.

48:32

Hog Molly's save Bryce.

48:37

Claybot on the Saints, Oh,

48:39

the New Orleans Saints should be fun.

48:41

Well, it's it's always fun.

48:42

And I think every single year there's

48:44

this like tisking of the

48:47

Saints and saying that, well, we see, we told

48:49

you the cap is real. I don't think anybody,

48:51

especially shot out to Ky Harley is denwing

48:53

denying the existence of the salary cap. They're

48:56

just different ways to manage

48:58

the salary cap. And so this Saints

49:00

do actually keep some veterans to

49:02

Mario Davis comes back, the honey Badger

49:04

comes back.

49:05

They still have the talent.

49:06

But last year was

49:09

the best head coaching season in

49:11

Dennis Allen's career, The absolute.

49:14

Best judged by wins and losses.

49:16

By wins and lossy can we get just get one?

49:18

Dennis Allen compliment without the original.

49:20

That wasn't a compliment. It was

49:22

at the best coaching job. It was career, it

49:24

was not. It was just well, purely a statement of

49:26

fact. It's damning with Faine praise intentionally

49:29

is.

49:29

Let it be?

49:29

Just let it sit a little bit, purely a statement of

49:31

fact. Best season Dennis Allen.

49:33

Has ever had as the head coach of the National Football

49:35

League. What's the best

49:37

reason to believe the Saints will finish even

49:40

better in the division in twenty twenty four

49:42

than they did in twenty twenty three.

49:43

I can't because I think last year

49:45

they.

49:47

Openly sort of said we're going to ride

49:49

through this this year identity free.

49:51

I want.

49:52

I look at the Saints over the last couple of seasons.

49:54

I don't know how it is you want to exist

49:56

in this world or what life

49:58

you're trying to live and what you're trying to tell your fans.

50:00

It just to me, it's like a roster kind of

50:02

floating. And this what they've

50:04

done so far this time around, feels like more

50:06

of the same to me.

50:07

What's a roster led by a defensive coach

50:09

that wants his defense to be good, and it should be good. It

50:11

was good last year, can it be great. We'll see

50:13

Chase Young they bring in. We didn't

50:16

talk about that on the show where it's a lot of roster

50:18

surgery, right right, if he can be active, So they

50:21

it was a fairly low risk because

50:23

of the money and you know, a decent reward

50:26

I think for him, but you hope he's

50:28

well. Willie Gay was a nice signing, like their defense

50:30

should be good. I just

50:32

don't buy that they're suddenly conservative. They haven't

50:34

done much this offseason, and I feel like

50:37

more is coming. They didn't they need a second wide receiver.

50:39

They certainly needed left tackle. Despite having

50:41

traded up for Trevor Penning a couple of years ago.

50:45

Marshall Lattimore maybe will be part of trying

50:47

to improve other spots on the roster.

50:49

I don't know. I hope not, because

50:51

he's one of the best players on the roster.

50:57

This is where I was supposed to speak you.

50:59

You seem agitated, want to.

51:02

No, no.

51:02

I always in this case, I was kind of sitting it out because

51:04

I felt like the takes were strong about the Saints,

51:06

and I don't have the same level of like heat

51:09

around them.

51:09

So he's gonna well, it's like keep passing the ball back

51:11

and forth.

51:13

When if you say it's the best

51:15

coaching, you were doing that a little tongue in cheek

51:17

because I'm giving the judges score, I'm giving

51:19

them a lower score.

51:21

Well, I mean, just again, we've

51:23

we've done quarterback wins. There are the group of people

51:25

that believe that, you know, the quarterback

51:28

gets to I feel like if we were applying

51:30

that to quarterbacks, then we should definitely apply to

51:32

coaches.

51:32

Well was his best season?

51:35

Well, speaking of hey, you got the you mentioned

51:37

that you had to get Nathan Peterman in the building quickly,

51:39

Peter quarter I do like Clint Kobiak.

51:47

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

51:52

me thinks the Bucks are tad high on their

51:54

own supply.

51:55

Mmm.

51:57

Remember that Jason Light Connor or

51:59

Ambush at the combine.

52:00

Yeah, yes, this.

52:02

Is also the same Jason Light who recently said

52:05

that the Bucks free agency

52:08

was one of the greatest free agency hauls ever.

52:11

That was a direct quote, actually, and

52:13

you know.

52:14

That meant they re signed Mike Evans

52:17

Levante, David got Baker

52:19

under contract, and while I

52:21

believe wholeheartedly the positive

52:24

reinforcement of self is

52:27

important. I am pounding that message

52:29

home to my eldest son Jack right now, who's gone

52:31

through some struggles on the baseball

52:33

diamond the spring.

52:34

But perspective context also

52:37

important.

52:38

Not all back to back to back division

52:40

winners are created equal by the.

52:42

Way they won three in Arona.

52:43

And it's important to remember that Tampa Bay won these

52:45

last two division titles despite

52:47

a five hundred record across those two years.

52:51

Actually, yeah, seventeen

52:53

and seventeen. So the question becomes, what are the

52:55

Bucks have to do to aspire to

52:57

be more than just the champion of

53:00

a bad division?

53:01

Hmm.

53:04

He had some more explosiveness on offense, like they

53:06

are a great test of how much continuity

53:09

matters. Bringing back all the guys you said, even bringing

53:11

in Jordan Whitehead is continuity

53:13

again, like bringing back a guy that was there

53:15

when they didn't win the division. But they did win the

53:17

Super Bowl four years ago. So it's been

53:19

a nice run. His offensive line, he's done

53:21

a good job. Jason light like all their their entire offensive

53:24

line is day one or two picks by Jason light

53:26

Like He's a sneaky good drafter,

53:29

but I feel like we need to get a few more of the difference

53:31

makers on the defensive side. Trading away

53:33

Carlton Davis and Todd Bowles's defense

53:35

was really not holding their end of the

53:37

bargain consistently.

53:38

Last I'm with you, Dan in the sense that,

53:40

like I keep hearing the Bucks six saying we're

53:43

running it back, Like you finish

53:45

with the same record as Dennis Allen and the

53:47

Saints and in a bad division,

53:49

and you want a playoff game against a team that had fallen

53:51

off a cliff, right, but you're running back

53:53

something that probably will give you again about eight

53:56

or nine wins.

53:57

Yeah, it's the questions are about

54:00

the offense. To me, I feel confident

54:02

in Todd Bowles, and then that brings me back

54:04

to Baker Mayfield. Like, I know it

54:06

was a fantastic season, But am

54:09

I going to see Baker Mayfield in

54:11

this vision of the same way I see

54:13

Kirk Cousins in the same way I see

54:16

Dak Prescott or Jalen Hurts. I just

54:18

don't know if Baker gets them over

54:21

that line where you can have that continuity when

54:23

it's Tom Brady because you're gonna have an opportunity.

54:25

I don't know the variance that Baker

54:27

Mayfield provides is enough to get

54:30

what's left of that team.

54:31

And it's another year where Baker

54:33

Mayfield goes through a coordinator switch. I know

54:35

he's happy with Liam Comban. It's like it's another one

54:37

of these.

54:38

If you're willing to go that high for Baker salary

54:40

wise, why not rework a couple more deals

54:42

and make a real play for Kirk And

54:44

then you don't, and then he ends up in your own division

54:47

and he goes to the team that has the otherwise a

54:49

roster otherwise built to contend best

54:51

in that division.

54:55

Time out, time out,

54:59

time out.

55:00

Now, it's understandable that you might

55:02

have just listened to those three minutes and said, Tad

55:05

critical there, Yeah, Daddy

55:07

Rich, So I have a

55:09

dissenting opinion. This dissenting

55:12

opinion is actually the

55:14

owner of West Bromwich

55:16

Albion Football Club WO and

55:18

also a Bucks super fan, Shelln

55:21

Patel.

55:21

This break News is a world exclusive.

55:23

Hey their heroes. Longtime listener, first

55:25

time agitator. I've been a lot more

55:27

focused on football than football this offseason.

55:30

But when I heard that the Tugboat was trashing

55:32

the Bucks offseason moves. I had to step in and

55:35

defend my guys. The

55:37

Buck's main job this offseason was to retain

55:39

or extend for all pro players, and those

55:41

were Mike Evans, Antoine Winfield,

55:44

Junior, Levonte David, and Tristan

55:46

Wurfs. And they're well on track to doing that. And

55:48

a big reason why is because Baker is who

55:50

Baker is and because he did the deal

55:52

that he did, and so I think the Bucks

55:54

have the right combination of players to feast

55:56

on a week division. And I'm glad that Dan's sleeping

55:59

on the Bucks, and I'm glad people are sleeping in the Bucks

56:01

because that seems to be when they do their best work. Going

56:04

into the draft, They've got a couple holes O

56:06

line, edge rush and

56:09

DB's and you know, Jason Light's

56:11

been good at getting O linemen and DB's

56:13

in the draft. And we'll have to figure

56:15

out how to get the best Edgresher we can. But

56:18

I think we still have the opportunity to beat up on

56:20

a weak division. The Panthers are drash, the

56:22

Saints are still figuring things out, and I

56:24

don't think the Falcon's got so

56:26

much better with the Kirk Cousins coming off an achilles

56:29

injury to really scare us away

56:31

from from aiming for our fourth

56:33

straight division crown. So

56:36

go Bucks and up the Albion.

56:38

Wow, you go boing boing,

56:41

that's good comeback because I think I think the Winfield thing,

56:43

the way they handle that matters, And you

56:45

know, there would have been a fair excuse for

56:48

the post Tom Brady Bucks just to disappear

56:50

entirely, and Light has navigated.

56:52

I mean, you keep the good players that you have and you keep

56:54

adding more. But it's like, I could there are

56:56

worse fan experiences right now.

56:58

Jason Light's sneaky been there for a

57:00

decade now. A good job by him

57:03

navigating all these different errors,

57:06

and he really he

57:09

really is a good drafter, Like he really does fill in

57:12

at dB very well. They need they

57:14

just need more players that are getting better. I feel

57:16

like they have a lot of players like Godwin, like Evans,

57:18

like Baker Frankly who have

57:21

like they're not going to get better.

57:22

We know that they need to be that good

57:25

just.

57:25

To get out scored in aggregate by like twenty

57:27

points over the last two years.

57:28

So it's like you need some younger players that are getting.

57:30

Better and Rashaan White stepped up and we're still

57:33

talking bucks. Yeah out,

57:35

that's what the tom outs for. And I

57:37

think you keep the guys that are going to be in

57:40

your ring of honor one day, right. And

57:42

in terms of like Mike Evans, I

57:44

feel could have gotten a better offer elsewhere.

57:47

I think Baker Mayfield perhaps could

57:49

have waited things out and saw where Kirk went

57:52

and got some more money. But Jason Light

57:54

the folks in Tampa convincing them to I

57:56

think they should be celebrated for that. I

57:58

just don't see where the ceiling, like,

58:01

where's that surprisis.

58:02

It's kind of all about continentity because when I look at

58:04

this deptart man, they do have like these guys

58:06

have all played together for a while, not

58:08

continuity. In terms of the offensive coordinator. That's a little

58:10

bit of a concern because Liam Cohen is the one

58:13

guy from the Sean McVay tree

58:15

that really didn't get a bump that he got

58:17

it. He got bumped off the Rams roster by Sean

58:19

McVay.

58:20

That clear headed, concise take

58:23

is classic Shelyn Patel and.

58:25

That's why he's running an actual sports team that

58:28

you hear a team owner call another team trash,

58:30

But I like that. You gotta love that different sport. I

58:32

mean, and some of the press he's getting

58:34

out there.

58:35

Here's BBC Shlyn Pateel, West

58:37

Brom owner aiming high m

58:39

dash but with realism and patience.

58:42

How about this from Express and Star.

58:44

Shelyn Pateel is already giving West Brom

58:46

fans something they have been craving.

58:48

Crave. That's what he was just on our show Arrow Up.

58:50

That's our budget. Craving

58:53

is important, as I learned and Love is

58:55

Blind season six, do.

58:58

You have us like a little money

59:00

stake in this show? Was like the fourteenth

59:02

time you brought this.

59:03

It was like grave when

59:05

Dan, when you weren't here. Patrick and I

59:07

actually did like five minutes on

59:10

Love Is Blind season six, and then I told

59:12

Eric to take it out of the show.

59:13

Were you are for this?

59:14

Yeah, but I mean I've not. I watched like

59:17

two episodes of season one and.

59:18

Then afterwards I was like, you know what, let's just take that

59:20

out.

59:22

But incredible, Maybe maybe we could put it

59:24

on plack on the list if if folks

59:26

want to hear that five minutes.

59:27

I was going to say you could have done it could have been a satellite

59:30

pod. But isn't that already meanest territory.

59:32

There you go. The season's long over.

59:34

NFL plus I think would it would would.

59:36

They'll take it?

59:36

Yeah, bus will take a little Love is Blind

59:39

recap.

59:40

I've moved on to blown Away and Top

59:43

Chef. I like that last

59:45

blowing competition underrated blown

59:48

Away.

59:48

Thanks for the update.

59:49

All right, let's take a break and

59:51

we will finish out the

59:54

NFC with the West.

1:00:01

All Right, we're back.

1:00:03

The show is continuing. Let's

1:00:06

move to the NFC West. The Arizona

1:00:08

Cardinals with Greg Wow. I love that you did

1:00:10

the whole thing. The Arizona Cardinals.

1:00:13

All right, they exist? Hey

1:00:16

was them all? We're talking about your team

1:00:18

for the first time. I feel like all off season they

1:00:20

have been quiet. Little surprise year

1:00:22

two of this regime that

1:00:25

they aren't stirring things up a little

1:00:27

more.

1:00:27

Marky S.

1:00:27

Brown, Rondel Moore out the door. They really

1:00:30

don't have any wide receivers. You get rid

1:00:32

of DJ Humphreys at tackle, you get

1:00:34

Joanah Williams.

1:00:35

You have some rotational defensive lineman.

1:00:37

But this is still a team.

1:00:40

If you were just guessing who

1:00:42

has like a top five pick next

1:00:44

year. They might them, and the Panthers still

1:00:46

have the most to work out. They need a number

1:00:49

one wide receiver right now, it's Michael Wilson

1:00:51

or Dorsch. Like they need a ton on

1:00:53

the defensive line. I

1:00:55

don't know if they're putting Kyler Murray

1:00:57

in the best position to succeed right now.

1:01:00

There's not a lot of help on this roster right now. That's

1:01:02

my concern too.

1:01:03

And they have been talked about,

1:01:05

you know, Monte Austin Fort Lakes to compile draft

1:01:07

picks, that that's a target in

1:01:09

the draft where someone could move up to get that

1:01:11

QB four or Marvin Harrison Junior.

1:01:14

Michael Wilson is a good player.

1:01:16

I thought he showed a lot of promise, but he seems like a

1:01:18

good number two.

1:01:19

Greg is Derritch is interesting too.

1:01:21

When Zach Pascal is the other guy, you

1:01:23

can't I don't think you can afford to move out

1:01:25

of that spot and pass up on like Marvin

1:01:27

Harrison Junior. I think you've got to

1:01:30

give Kyler Murray in the rest

1:01:32

of this offense a chance.

1:01:33

And I feel like, considering what Kyler

1:01:35

has been through, I have more confidence

1:01:38

this season than I did a couple of other

1:01:40

seasons ago in terms of Kyler

1:01:42

coming back with an opportunity

1:01:45

to be healthy, coming into the year, and

1:01:47

seeing these other quarterback situations and the

1:01:49

way things have kind of been a success

1:01:52

or a disaster.

1:01:53

There hasn't been a lot of in between.

1:01:54

Kyler's probably that quarterback that's been

1:01:57

the in between where we haven't gotten

1:01:59

what we wanted. But there's still hope of some promise.

1:02:02

I think we see that come to fruition.

1:02:03

I thought he fit well in this system.

1:02:04

Yeah, I think Michael Wilson is maybe

1:02:07

not as solid as a one as you would

1:02:09

like. But the year two there

1:02:12

is cause to be positive about.

1:02:14

It's good from a Cardinals fan perspective

1:02:16

that you can just kind of get things

1:02:18

back.

1:02:19

You got the doat, you got the boat out

1:02:22

of the dock.

1:02:22

Now it's the repairs are done, and maybe we

1:02:24

could go out on the high season and do

1:02:27

some things. Because you had all the drama around Kyler

1:02:29

with the contract, that he blows his knee out, then you're

1:02:31

waiting for him to return. Now we can go into

1:02:33

a new season with a fresh start. There's so much

1:02:35

work to do on the roster obviously, and you lose

1:02:38

Hollywood Brown, DJ Humphries.

1:02:40

There's work to be done, Greg, But at least you have

1:02:42

Kyler starting fresh and healthy,

1:02:44

and let's see once and for all if he is

1:02:47

that dude.

1:02:47

I'm confident in him. I thought he fit well

1:02:49

in that system. I thought they coached

1:02:52

really well on both sides of the

1:02:54

ball, like Gannon was

1:02:56

cooking up pretty creative game

1:02:58

plans without a lot of talent. But

1:03:01

that lack of talent is still there, so they really

1:03:03

need to start hitting, like Justin Jones. They gave twenty

1:03:05

million dollars guaranteed. That was their big move

1:03:07

on defense, a guy that the Bears,

1:03:09

you know, weren't exactly in love.

1:03:11

With

1:03:17

the rams Aaron

1:03:19

Donald, less rams of Patrick Claybon.

1:03:22

And it's such We've talked about the

1:03:24

Philadelphia Eagles having to deal with the

1:03:26

first ballot Hall of Famer not being

1:03:29

on the team. Still playing very well, Aaron

1:03:31

Donald was still playing exceedingly

1:03:33

good football, and he was

1:03:36

getting the Lion's share of attention as he

1:03:38

always would. But the contributions

1:03:40

from Kobe Turner last year, maybe

1:03:42

because of what Will Anderson did, kind

1:03:45

of got slept on. Overall, on his same

1:03:47

team, Pooka kind of stealing his

1:03:49

shine a little bit. They've done so well in

1:03:51

the draft, and Sean McVay hasn't actually

1:03:54

gone to the combine since twenty twenty,

1:03:57

and I'm wondering, are

1:03:59

the ramps proving that does anybody need

1:04:02

to go to the combine the way that Less

1:04:04

is cranking out these very very good players

1:04:07

later on in the draft.

1:04:08

I'm excited to see what they do this year. That's my only

1:04:10

question. The coaches need to go to the combine.

1:04:12

I think it's funny because Sean McVay, like, from

1:04:15

from a cynical angle, he could say, oh, he wants to

1:04:17

you know, work Less.

1:04:18

I don't think that at all.

1:04:19

But it's like the first kind of coach to totally

1:04:21

goes to combine like he he doesn't

1:04:23

want to do anything in the preseason. These are two like

1:04:26

building blocks of the NFL offseason

1:04:29

into regular action, and he just dismisses them both.

1:04:31

And last year was one of the best coaching jobs in the

1:04:33

NFL.

1:04:33

I thought, well, he's not picking the players, certainly

1:04:35

not on defense. I

1:04:38

do worry a little bit that they're

1:04:40

they're rolling back this idea of like now

1:04:43

it's Chris Shula as the defense court. It's like, we're

1:04:45

just trying to be average on defense and

1:04:47

we're gonna invest sixty six

1:04:50

million dollars guaranteed at guard in

1:04:53

Jonah Jackson and Kevin Dotson,

1:04:55

which I they're gonna be fun. It's like, I'm

1:04:57

it's a creative way that they've attacked this offseason.

1:05:00

I like Cam Curle. They brought Bacterius

1:05:03

Williams, but also Kella Witherspoon.

1:05:05

Is it for you?

1:05:05

Just like no Aaron Donald

1:05:07

and you're going cheap a little bit on

1:05:10

defense and it's a new defensive coordinator

1:05:12

like Raheem did a nice job coaching this

1:05:14

defense up and counting on that again might

1:05:16

be you know, expecting too much.

1:05:18

I liked the way JB.

1:05:20

Long put it on the show on

1:05:22

Monday that Donald, you lose Donald

1:05:24

and it's massive and it's incalculable and we're

1:05:26

going to see how they move on. But he was

1:05:28

there as a transition with your

1:05:30

boy Kobe Turner, Greg Ee and

1:05:33

that defense getting its sea legs in

1:05:35

real time and ending up almost almost getting

1:05:38

too the divisional playoff Iron Young two. I still think

1:05:40

there was a world where they win the Super Bowl

1:05:42

last year, it was like one in twenty.

1:05:44

I think there was a whorld. Yeah.

1:05:45

JB was kind of hitting at that.

1:05:46

If they can get by that first game, it's

1:05:49

kind of a wide open.

1:05:50

You never know.

1:05:50

And so I get why the way

1:05:52

they're playing this offseason and they're looking

1:05:55

to kind of build in this like Mock two or

1:05:57

is it mock three now Sean mcvay's tenure

1:05:59

there, keep the quarterback

1:06:01

up right, and you know, the sky's the

1:06:03

limit.

1:06:04

I think on offense, they remind

1:06:06

me a little bit of the Colts back in the day. Now, the Colts had

1:06:08

a couple like Hall of famers or near hall of famers

1:06:10

on defense. But it's just like, invest in

1:06:12

offense every year, try to be a top three offense

1:06:14

every year. Hope the defense is good enough

1:06:16

and will win ten games at worst

1:06:19

with our offense.

1:06:25

The Seattle Seahawks,

1:06:27

I got this one. So I

1:06:30

feel like for years now, the Seahawks have been

1:06:32

parked in a cul de sac neighborhood.

1:06:35

That's that's fine, it's nice. The houses

1:06:38

are not luxurious, but comfortable.

1:06:40

The people, you know, the people maintain their

1:06:42

yards and the neighbors get along and

1:06:46

it's a nice place to trick or treat,

1:06:48

but also not the place you go if you're hoping

1:06:51

to get full candy bars. You know what I'm saying. There's

1:06:54

nothing wrong with that. I Gus Brandon many

1:06:57

yeah, the many ones. No, I'm talking about the full bars, the ones

1:06:59

Connor organ out right, you got to go to a different

1:07:01

neighborhood. I imagine that's

1:07:03

where that's where they

1:07:05

want.

1:07:06

To be eventually.

1:07:07

Okay, And I

1:07:09

think this is a pretty decent roster with

1:07:12

you know, good players on defense. They have talent

1:07:14

on offense, you know, a

1:07:17

replacement level quarterback but not a bad player,

1:07:19

not a not a major issue.

1:07:22

And that kind of set up with

1:07:25

good coaching. And we'll see how Mike McDonald is.

1:07:27

Is a recipe for nine or ten wins, maybe

1:07:30

a one off road trip in the playoffs,

1:07:33

But is there something more to aspire to? Does

1:07:35

this team have the ambition to try

1:07:37

to move out of that neighborhood?

1:07:39

As Brandon Flowers of the Killers once said,

1:07:41

there's nothing wrong with working class,

1:07:44

but what if there's more out there? The

1:07:46

American dream as it were.

1:07:48

I love change, and like the

1:07:50

Seahawks started to feel a little

1:07:52

stale to me under Pete Carroll.

1:07:54

As much as I like Pete Carroll, I think Mike McDonald.

1:07:55

Think that's part of like what the setup of Carol

1:07:58

moving on is because I think they get that.

1:08:00

All time Hall of Fame type coaches indicating

1:08:03

they want to change the neighborhoods.

1:08:04

I think Mike McDonald is going to be a huge

1:08:06

story next year. There's something about his vibe

1:08:08

just watching a couple of his press conferences, like, I think

1:08:11

that the Seahawks needed this. And

1:08:13

I'm not down on Geno Smith or anything, but

1:08:15

I thought that Sam Howell trade was intriguing

1:08:17

because this, to me, is a starter

1:08:19

in development. Who if things get a little

1:08:22

shaky at quarterback. Sam Howell is much

1:08:24

more spicy to me than Drew Locke as

1:08:26

a number two who can come in and at times

1:08:28

look really good.

1:08:29

I don't know, yeah, I mean Sam Howell takes

1:08:31

risks, he holds onto the ball way too

1:08:33

long, but he can go out there and get buckets. There was

1:08:35

a time last year where he was leading the NFL

1:08:37

in passing. I don't think it's enough to dethron

1:08:40

Gino, but what it does is it

1:08:42

gives you value at the backup position where

1:08:44

all these backups are playing, and you

1:08:47

know, we see a team's actual commitment

1:08:49

and how they feel about their starter, perhaps

1:08:52

considering where the backup is and how good

1:08:54

he is, where they're not necessarily concerned

1:08:57

about the starter psyche or whatever's

1:09:00

going to ruin.

1:09:00

Gino like that. He's been through

1:09:02

everything.

1:09:04

But do you know, talent wise

1:09:06

on defense, I think

1:09:08

there's there's some room to improve. On offense,

1:09:11

run of the ball. It just got to keep people healthy. But I think

1:09:13

they can get there. I think they're on the precipice. It's just

1:09:15

hard, especially in this division.

1:09:18

Their biggest move was just bringing Lenny Williams back

1:09:20

and then they had resigning no offense,

1:09:22

so they haven't gone outside that much.

1:09:24

They have new linebackers Tyroe Dodds and Jerome Baker

1:09:26

I thought were smart.

1:09:27

Eleven core guys have left

1:09:29

the.

1:09:29

Team

1:09:33

final time out. I

1:09:36

really wasn't trying to be a jerk about Gino. I'm

1:09:39

just where does he fit on the the Dalton

1:09:41

line.

1:09:42

He's definitely above it. Yeah, so

1:09:44

I don't think it's replacement based.

1:09:46

On It's not Miles last year's play also or

1:09:48

just the year that everyone remembers.

1:09:49

I think he played really well

1:09:52

down the stretch last year, and if you look

1:09:54

at kind of the pop the hood numbers,

1:09:57

even the PFF grades stuff, the two years

1:09:59

were very, very similar. I think he's been a little streaky

1:10:01

within those years, but they

1:10:04

didn't blockwell for him. He threw

1:10:06

well down the field all season. He's

1:10:08

not a perfect quarterback, but I think he was safely above

1:10:10

that. To me, he was in that like ten to twelve range

1:10:13

both years.

1:10:14

Oh okay, I mean I thought when we were in London

1:10:16

we watched him make some that just watching

1:10:18

him together at the same time, like Gino can

1:10:21

whip the ball down field, and I honestly

1:10:24

think he is higher than the Dalton line. Mike

1:10:26

McDonald did not come out screaming and shouting

1:10:28

about he's definitely their starter.

1:10:30

But their actions, their actions Patrick's

1:10:32

point kind of showed like, yeah, they brought

1:10:35

in a backup, backup who has a similar

1:10:37

skill set in some ways other than the running to

1:10:39

Gino, and.

1:10:41

A backup that can then learn from Geno.

1:10:42

I think like for every twenty seconds we spend

1:10:45

talking about Sam Darnold, then that should

1:10:47

mean at least twenty minutes of Gino discussion.

1:10:49

Well, Donald,

1:10:52

to me, is because

1:10:55

that's something critical way.

1:10:56

I do think we spent in the high

1:10:59

well, we do, say twenty minutes

1:11:01

talking about Geno Smith on every preview show.

1:11:03

We've given money of Geno Smith conversation

1:11:05

on that.

1:11:05

I think Donald, though, would be closer to

1:11:07

a replacement level. Yeah, you know, based

1:11:09

on his contract, Like I guess that's what I think.

1:11:11

We're at a different.

1:11:12

We don't know about Donald, but yeah, right now he needs

1:11:15

to prove that he can even or bakery even.

1:11:17

We don't know about Donald, but a few years ago we

1:11:19

were absolutely certain about Gino right too.

1:11:22

He's fine too. Uh, I gotta

1:11:24

get you know what, I got to get Nick Schuk in here. Shuk's

1:11:26

got him eighteen And I think that

1:11:28

is a nice spot.

1:11:29

Two years, last two years, Combine charted

1:11:32

passing this from football inside on

1:11:34

throws fifteen yards dunfield. You

1:11:37

know, Gino Smith the number one most accurate

1:11:39

quarterback in the league. I think, what like when he's

1:11:41

got his issues hold the ball sometimes

1:11:44

he's almost too aggressive, but when he sets

1:11:46

up to throw, the ball goes where

1:11:49

he wants it to go about as well

1:11:51

as any quarterback in the league, which is a great starting

1:11:53

point.

1:11:53

I think like maybe Dan where you're coming

1:11:55

from, because it's kind of how I feel. It's just

1:11:58

like, okay, cool, so

1:12:00

Gino Smith's your quarterback. Let's see how that right.

1:12:02

Don't get it twisted. I just said they live in a nice neighborhood.

1:12:05

Yeah right, he's part of that. It was it

1:12:07

was a replacement level.

1:12:08

Like even if eighteen is replacement level,

1:12:10

then like we should be in.

1:12:12

Like I mean to be

1:12:14

top five, top ten quarters. I mean, you guys are saying,

1:12:16

like the fact that I could even bring up that Gino

1:12:19

is someone that could be replaced and they can get better at the position

1:12:21

is no they were thought?

1:12:22

Is I'm sorry? Like I just I fundamentally

1:12:25

disagree with that. They certainly, I think

1:12:28

thought about it. But I

1:12:30

think if he's in a situation with everything

1:12:32

great around him, like he's going to put

1:12:35

up numbers like Jared Goff for better. I think

1:12:37

last year he played well. He played

1:12:39

well down the stretch. He probably saved his job.

1:12:41

It's not bad.

1:12:42

I listen, agree

1:12:44

to disagree, I

1:12:46

agree, I agree to disagree, and I respect

1:12:49

your opinions.

1:12:50

So you're saying you're saying you're disagree, so I

1:12:52

disagree, but I respect the hell out of you. So it

1:12:54

wasn't it was a shot.

1:12:56

At a

1:12:58

shot at Gino in that I don't

1:13:00

see him as highly as you doesn't mean it's a shot.

1:13:02

It's just I don't see him in the same at

1:13:04

the same level.

1:13:05

That's all. Yeah.

1:13:07

Time in time

1:13:09

in close it out. Mark With the Niners,

1:13:14

they have been my pet team for years.

1:13:17

They have.

1:13:18

I mean I think they came in there was you know, there

1:13:20

was reporting that their number one priority they

1:13:23

lose Eric Armstead and Chase

1:13:25

Young, that they wanted to make sure that they kept that

1:13:27

defensive line Humming and Leonard Floyd.

1:13:29

Nice pickup they trade from Lee Collins. I

1:13:31

trust that this will just work out for the Niners.

1:13:33

On some level.

1:13:34

I see two mysteries, the kind of lingered

1:13:36

number one like, does Brandon

1:13:39

Ayuk get moved before the draft?

1:13:41

There are there they were linked hanging around

1:13:43

out there.

1:13:44

Jaguars were linked as a team

1:13:46

interested the Steelers. Maybe not, but he's

1:13:48

in the last year of his contracts, so you're already

1:13:50

paying in one of your one of your your other

1:13:52

wide outs a.

1:13:53

Ton of money.

1:13:53

And it's like, I don't like seeing that

1:13:55

that offense lose even one of those pieces because

1:13:57

they're so overwhelming. I think the second thing for me

1:13:59

and I just get this feeling about the Niners and maybe it's

1:14:01

just like I don't know, I feel like psychologically

1:14:05

or in terms of like a spiritual like

1:14:07

feeling inside the building, like how many

1:14:09

more breaking points can the Kyle Shanahan

1:14:12

experience take because it's like every season

1:14:14

has been so heart breaking. It kind of reminds me of

1:14:16

like the Saints team that had three terrible

1:14:18

playoff losses three years in a row,

1:14:21

and they've really never been the same. I mean, it's just like

1:14:24

you get so close and it's like, is there a

1:14:26

point where we just don't assume they win fourteen fifteen

1:14:28

games.

1:14:28

I think it's a great question from like a human standpoint,

1:14:31

because these losses.

1:14:32

Aren't just any losses.

1:14:34

I mean you look at the Super Bowl defeats, the

1:14:37

Title Game defeat, like these are

1:14:39

kind of feeling like the world is. They're winning

1:14:42

in overtime of the Super Bowl a couple months

1:14:44

ago, and they can't get

1:14:46

over the hump. And at one point, yeah, it is that

1:14:49

like psychologically just damage you offensively.

1:14:52

They will return all

1:14:55

of their starters and they're the to

1:14:57

my mind, the best offense in the NFL. Yeah,

1:15:00

they could try to improve their offensive line and do

1:15:02

some things. I don't think they'll trade at Yuk, although

1:15:04

supposedly they were open to it. Like they I think if

1:15:06

Jacksonville was going to give up that number seventeen overall

1:15:09

pick, they would have done it.

1:15:10

And if I was Jacksonville, I would do that.

1:15:12

Yeah, he's gonna be a thing because the offense

1:15:15

has proliferated literally across the entire

1:15:17

NFL, and you have Brandon Ayuk who's

1:15:19

learned it from the person who we associate

1:15:22

this offense with and has gone through

1:15:24

all those trials and tribulations. It would be a mistake

1:15:27

to move him. But to Mark's

1:15:29

point, like physically, I

1:15:32

think we saw the accumulation of all those extra

1:15:34

football games on the Kansas City Chiefs and

1:15:36

the forty nine Ers played literally

1:15:39

the same number of games, but it didn't turn

1:15:41

out in the way that they wanted at the end. But

1:15:43

over and over again, to deal with that,

1:15:46

you're eventually going to get an extra seasons worth

1:15:48

of football and playing all of these

1:15:50

games, and there's such a physical team, I

1:15:52

think it does add up. Not to discount

1:15:55

them, but like over and over

1:15:57

again at some point and.

1:15:58

This is the first year mark about the questions about the

1:16:00

defense are fair now after the way they struggled

1:16:03

down the stretch and they've lost players and

1:16:05

it's going to be.

1:16:07

Smoos Malie Collins, Leonard Floyd, Jordan Elliott

1:16:09

kind of another radar, a lot of rotational guys.

1:16:11

On their defense. The defensive corner.

1:16:18

We go out with a dart as we must. We

1:16:21

just went around the NFC. We went

1:16:23

around FC a

1:16:25

day earlier. So now you have all thirty two team

1:16:27

cup. We were thinking there was a year

1:16:30

a few years back where we've missed the team skipped,

1:16:32

the team got. I mean very

1:16:35

I never ever agree

1:16:37

when or hardly ever agree when

1:16:39

we're getting criticism on social media

1:16:42

or whatever, like oh you hate my team, you got

1:16:44

they always hate this team. But when

1:16:46

you get your team skipped in this in this exercise,

1:16:49

we we will take the l but I think we

1:16:51

I think we're covered.

1:16:52

But especially if you're waiting like you're the fourth

1:16:54

division. Oh so you've maginated through. It's

1:16:56

not forty eight minutes.

1:16:57

It's gone forty eight minutes, and then like

1:16:59

your team doesn't get it's like big

1:17:01

slack.

1:17:01

That's only once, and we started

1:17:04

doing these around the AFC NFCS

1:17:06

pretty early on in the

1:17:08

run of this show.

1:17:09

I would guess we've been doing it for like, say, our batting

1:17:11

average is pretty good. Yeah, I'm just saying we only

1:17:13

missed one team.

1:17:15

You know, eight hundred's

1:17:19

probably nine ninety up in here.

1:17:21

I like to say, if you forgot about a

1:17:23

team, I mean, probably

1:17:27

not that big of a deal.

1:17:28

I mean, I think it might have been the bills also,

1:17:30

but this was during like the forget abills.

1:17:32

Probably warranted then.

1:17:35

That you forgot about it.

1:17:37

I mean, you're kind of doubling down here, you guys.

1:17:39

The next episode we probably spent like twenty minutes

1:17:42

talking about the bill.

1:17:43

We make it up to people when we do.

1:17:44

Sure it might have been the EJ Manual Tyride

1:17:47

era bills.

1:17:48

I believe it was a while. It was a while ago.

1:17:51

Eric second EJ Manual reference this week.

1:17:53

By the way, Eric, now

1:17:55

it's time to put down the gun. And I

1:17:57

think sometimes another risk that we take.

1:17:59

And I just did get a report that

1:18:01

Andrew's doing great and he's going to be real. It's

1:18:04

good to hear later today.

1:18:07

Have we created a monster

1:18:10

now? Will he be able to step out of

1:18:12

the studio and realize that time

1:18:14

in his life is over and he needs to become

1:18:17

a civilian again.

1:18:18

I think it's a fair question.

1:18:19

I would say that if memory serves, and I'm

1:18:21

thinking of like you know, Eric

1:18:23

and others that every producer that's had

1:18:25

like the Taser weapon has gone absolutely

1:18:28

nuts with it. I think it's it's a powerful it's

1:18:30

a powerful feeling.

1:18:31

You have to have a.

1:18:32

Structure in place for once

1:18:34

he gets home, you know, a code, yes,

1:18:37

and you not necessarily that Eric

1:18:39

needs leadership, but he said, you know, he is

1:18:41

an order follower, and so he needs that

1:18:43

structure in place to

1:18:45

work, not just at home. Like you

1:18:48

know, we got word from Kensington Palace yesterday

1:18:50

that Kate is working at home right,

1:18:53

work from home we can trust, We can trust that, and

1:18:57

so I just want Eric to be able to dart

1:18:59

from home safely.

1:19:01

Wow. Yeah, I appreciate it.

1:19:03

Guys.

1:19:03

Let's go out with Alex Badura's

1:19:07

song simply titled Patrick Claybunk. We'll

1:19:12

be back next week now, GREGGI, you are

1:19:14

taking a much deserved vacation next

1:19:16

week.

1:19:16

I am, Yeah, So

1:19:19

enjoy that.

1:19:22

ARENTS meeting up for the first time since their wedding

1:19:25

seventeen years ago.

1:19:26

Bicy where it's undisclosed.

1:19:28

Okay. Oh now Hawaii.

1:19:30

Nice so and

1:19:32

then I'll be taking off the next week going

1:19:35

to the same island,

1:19:38

so we'll.

1:19:39

See it Tuesday, Patrick Claybom.

1:19:41

Until then, heath the call.

1:19:43

You are the man We

1:19:47

men, Tom.

1:19:53

What a guy, what

1:19:56

a stunn

1:20:00

Um