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Be Around the NFL Podcast

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won't break the bubble for chicken

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wings. I wouldn't say that. Welcome

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to another edition at the Around the NFL

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Podcast. My name

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is Dan Hans is coming to from a virtual

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room filled with heroes.

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Mark Sessler, right Rosenthal

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And there she is again from

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the den of her humble abode. Connie

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Fox, Collie Wolf. What's

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up? Still warming up the old

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voice this morning? Wow? I actually

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I finally now have placed it though, give

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me that, give me your hello again? Helloa,

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Okay. What it sounds like to me is hello,

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my baby, Hello, my daughter? Yeah,

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a little bit of Katherine Hepburn in there, maybe just

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a tinge. What's

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up? Billy? Moira Rose from Ship's

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Creek is my idol? And who

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I really just model everything out? Hey,

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what's up? How's everybody doing Tuesday?

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Well, we gave almost

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Halloween, you know for our

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listeners. They should just be aware that

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Dan's doing this show um

1:16

in a somewhat distracting way with a killer

1:19

doll behind his right shoulder.

1:21

His name is his

1:24

name is Sam. He's not a doll. He's like

1:26

half boy, half alien,

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and my children because

1:31

these are the dark days of society,

1:34

and can't really go out or do anything. On

1:36

the iPad, they watch a lot of YouTube

1:38

videos of the famous Spirit

1:41

Halloween warehouse stores that

1:43

pop up in the fall all

1:45

across the country, and they became so

1:47

obsessed with the different animatronics at

1:49

the store that they learned all of their

1:51

names by heart. Like I could bring in Jack right

1:53

now and he could just tell you every single

1:56

one of them. And one of them is Sam,

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who is um a yeah, half

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boy, half demon that comes out on

2:02

Halloween night and visits one town every

2:05

Halloween night, and you have to follow these certain

2:07

rules that he sets and if you don't,

2:09

he punishes you with definitely belie. It's

2:12

a rated our film called

2:14

Trigger Treat My Children. Thankfully,

2:17

Child Services says have not seen it, but

2:19

this will be Jack's Halloween costume as

2:21

well. Deed, his grandmother made

2:23

a really incredible effects

2:25

Emily Well, I mean, every boy should

2:27

have his heroes. So a boy demon um

2:30

mash up feels appropriate for a seven

2:33

or eight year old, six year old it feels

2:35

like a year Sam Sam take

2:37

on Los Angeles. It's very confusing though, like

2:39

no one really knows what counts as Los

2:41

Angeles. Um

2:43

so it's a lot of people. Nobody knows. Sam.

2:46

It's like, does it end that thousand oaks? Like is

2:48

that count as it? Or like, I don't really know. It's

2:50

that's how you can get Sam.

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Wait, I missed that entire thing. What does it have to do with

2:55

the city limits? Well, he said,

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he comes, he visits one town every

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I don't know where it ends. There's a lot of work.

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Sam's gonna be like, there's a lot of sprawl

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here. Who

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the voice is concerning? Colleen,

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Thank you for joining us the Tiny Bay. It's a pleasure.

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Um, good show. Today, we're gonna

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recap Monday Night Football as

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thrilling as that affair was between the Rams

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and Bears. We're gonna preview

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Thursday Night Football, mark a showdown

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between Whom and whom the

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Carolina Panthers under the watch

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of Matt Rule Verse the floating

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away Atlanta Falcons. There

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you go. So we got that NFC South

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showdown coming, will preview that. Also,

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Yes, it is Halloween on

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Saturday, and obviously

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this is a huge deal in a house with two boys

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here, um, and

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we are going to have a little Halloween

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fun on today's show. Terrifying

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thoughts in the NFL,

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and uh Ricky, speaking of terrifying

4:03

thoughts, you answered the door for a

4:05

potential serial killer and handed him a

4:07

knife on Sunday's podcast.

4:09

So where are we at on that? And that had happened?

4:11

Folks? That everything I just said was not

4:14

an exaggle. I don't know if the guy is a

4:16

serial murder, but you did open

4:18

the door for a stranger who looked

4:20

unbalanced and handed him a stabbing

4:23

tool. Yeah. I mean what started

4:25

as a ha haha, WTF

4:28

moment during the pod ended up being

4:31

very very scary and

4:33

for I want to clear something up. I did not hand

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him a knife. I did

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offer to because my

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place is situated off the road, right,

4:43

so when the only people that come

4:46

back here are people that live here. Again,

4:49

Yeah, this guy was in the

4:51

unit next door. He was moving in

4:54

next door. He was in the physical unit

4:56

he was inside it came asked

4:58

me for a broom earlier when I first moved

5:00

to my apartment. I deep cleaned it before I moved

5:03

in, So all these things are making sense.

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When he comes, he has a frozen pizza that's

5:07

already cooked, but he doesn't have silverware

5:10

because he just moved in classic

5:12

crazy person move to

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me A yes, wasn't naive? Yes

5:17

do I so he you offered

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him, but he didn't take the knife. I was like, just

5:22

borrow it because I was doing the show. I was like, and he came

5:24

to my window and was like, had this

5:26

frozen pizza that wasn't cut It was like a little

5:28

Amy's frozen pizza and

5:31

it was cooked. And I

5:34

ended up cutting the pizza for him, and he

5:36

did kind of force himself inside my

5:38

house and it could have been really, really bad.

5:41

And we ended up finding out from the landlord

5:43

that the unit was vacant, so

5:46

not only was he in the apartment

5:49

next door, came into

5:51

my place. The police were here till

5:54

late into the wee hours of the morning.

5:56

On Sunday night, Eddie Spaghetti

5:58

rushed over. It ended up being, you

6:01

know what, was kind of funny during the podcast turning

6:03

into something that could have been really

6:05

really serious and Big John stud Tampose

6:08

was not happy your old man's was

6:10

not happy your behavior either. I

6:12

mean, you were in a tough spot. It's hard to react,

6:15

especially when you're in the middle of you know, producing

6:18

essentially a live program. But he

6:20

wasn't happy. Well at least we know he's vegan,

6:22

you know, so he's keeping himself healthy.

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Those are vegan pizzas and nice

6:28

guy. My thing is like I've I've

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been alone, like in the house for a day or

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two, and I've cooked a frozen pizza. And I

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mean, I guess because like I have the utensils

6:37

around, I'll just cut it in half. And why

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am I cutting it into fourteen slices? If

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I'm alone, I still have to cut it in half.

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So he did me a full pizza, which I would

6:46

just pick it up and eat it. I would pizza.

6:50

Nothing happened. A lot of alarm bells were

6:53

going off at this point. But it was also

6:55

like to me, I was like he's the new neighbor.

6:58

He was physically inside the apartment, Like

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to me, it's been empty. I

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was doing all of these sort of It's not

7:05

like I'm I'm in a place where people walk by

7:07

my house all day and some guys like hey, and people

7:09

live next And if my mom rang the doorbell during

7:11

a podcast, I'm not answering it, like she can wait

7:13

till it's over. Well, that see, that's how men are

7:15

taught to know. That's that's how

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Greg is taught, especially with

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my mom. We haven't spoken in like seventeen

7:22

years, So shut up, Amy.

7:24

I have many questions that I won't talk well, I won't

7:26

ask them all right now, but we're going to have to talk

7:29

more offline about this. Yeah. I actually

7:31

spent like all day in bed yesterday. I was very

7:33

upset, Like I was very I'm very upset.

7:36

One underlying sort of silver lining

7:38

here. I mean, can you imagine during a pandemic,

7:40

Dan and Greg if we had to somehow

7:43

find a new producer on the fly over

7:45

the court between Sunday and Tuesday's

7:47

show, the inconvenience that it would

7:49

have caused, um, the three of us would

7:52

have been that's

7:54

a near tragedy, right, Yeah, what

7:57

stress you would have been under? That would have been?

7:59

I don't it would have been the tipping. I don't even know Nobile's

8:02

number. Right,

8:05

All right, let's

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get into it. We're glad you're okay, Erica. Just I

8:09

didn't hand him a knife. I thank

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you for clearing that up. Would your

8:14

neighbor that you thought you was your new neighbor

8:17

if they needed utensils? Like to me,

8:19

I know it sounded crazy, but I

8:21

was doing all this deductive reasoning in my head. And

8:24

you're a good Samaritan. I mean, the guy it was, it

8:26

was legitimately a coin flip that he was

8:28

a psychopath and you did let him into

8:30

the house, but that that's I didn't.

8:32

I opened the door and then he was standing

8:34

outside and I and I was like, you

8:37

know, w t F, I'll go cut this pizza. And then

8:39

I hear the door shut and he's in, like, oh

8:41

my god, this is my worst nightmare. What yes,

8:44

stop it? Yeah,

8:47

And you guys are on the you guys are on the screen

8:49

going like Erica, Erica, but

8:52

you couldn't see anything not running into a dateline

8:54

episode, right, all right,

8:57

let's just let's purge our minds

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of that horrific situation. Glad it all

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worked out. Um, all

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right, let's get to Monday night

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football. My goodness, half

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the Halloween. Everybody gosh,

9:11

Gerald ever and and he walks

9:13

into the end zone, touchdown,

9:16

rash pushing all the right buttons.

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Tonight, this Sean McVeigh Ricky

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is still alive.

9:25

We're very lucky that's the case. She

9:28

shouldn't have opened the door

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bell at Rams twenty four Chicago Bears

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ten uh the

9:39

Rams use a defense that

9:41

would not let Nick Foles get

9:43

going. Uh, to keep the

9:46

Bears out of the end zone on office, They're only

9:48

score Chicago came on a defensive bumble

9:51

recovery and even that, somehow it was boring.

9:53

The Bears are the worst or at least

9:55

at least the most boring five and two team

9:58

I can remember the Rams all. So,

10:00

now, what

10:03

were your takeaways from this

10:05

affair? Well, watching

10:07

it, I just feel like the identity of

10:10

this Rams team is now the

10:12

defense completely. Like Jalen Ramsey

10:14

was so aggressive, he had he had that

10:16

pick. He was so physical. You had Aaron Donald.

10:19

They were able to just get home so quick

10:21

to Nick Foles. They sacked him four times

10:23

twice by Leonard four Net, which was the actual

10:26

sneaky revenge game angle that everybody

10:28

was talking about. Oh, Nick Foles revenge game.

10:31

Leonard Floyd, that was the revenge

10:34

game and he exacted some there twice. He

10:36

sacked Nick Foles in the game. But the

10:39

Bears offense, like, ah, it was

10:41

just so ugly to to watch

10:43

this game. So many stretches. I mean,

10:46

they really couldn't move the ball. They had fewer than

10:48

three hundred total yards in the whole

10:50

game, and it just felt like against

10:52

this Rams defense, they really got

10:54

exposed for what they are. Like Chicago's

10:57

defense, it's good, but it's not dominant

10:59

enough to carry this Bears team

11:01

throughout an entire game anymore. They

11:03

did a good job, but they're they're doing it

11:06

with zero help, and that's just not sustainable.

11:08

I've been saying this all year. They're just you

11:11

can't win the way the Bears are trying to win. They

11:14

don't want to try to win this way because there's no defense

11:17

that's that even the best defenses, I would

11:19

put the Bears in the top four or five. They can give

11:21

up thirty any week, Like everyone loves

11:23

the Steelers defense is great. You can give up. You can go seven

11:26

to Carson Wentz and you know, a bunch

11:28

of ham and eggers, you can give up. You know, the Bucks

11:30

can give up a lot of points in any given week. You gotta

11:32

have an offense. Is the is the point, and

11:35

Matt Naggi is in a tough spot

11:37

because he doesn't have a quarterback

11:39

and he doesn't have an offensive line. I think that's been

11:41

lost a little bit this year. Their line, which they've

11:44

basically kept together for three or four years, and

11:46

it's always been okay, it improved,

11:48

I would say over the last couple of years, it's been terrible.

11:51

This year. They have no running games. David David

11:53

Montgomery has no juice whatsoever.

11:55

He never makes a guy miss, never

11:57

breaks the tackle, and so you have Folds

11:59

back there telling Brian Greasy

12:02

that he knows um when

12:05

the play is called in like if it's a seventh

12:07

step drop to go, you know, throw to

12:09

Alan Robinson, like he's not gonna have time to throw

12:11

it. And I think people way overreacted

12:13

to the to what this quote

12:15

meant. It was just obvious, Like I don't think it

12:17

was even like um a

12:21

bad thing in terms of Matt Maggie's

12:23

coaching. It's just like we'll watch them play. Of

12:25

course he knows he doesn't have time on a five

12:27

or steven step drop. It literally happens

12:30

every play And doesn't mean you have to

12:32

you stop calling those plays because you just have

12:34

to if you watch those games, they just don't

12:36

have any solutions. I mean, I like,

12:39

it's not great coaching. I mean we're

12:41

you know, we're years into Matt Nige and to

12:44

me, uh, you know, he was hired from

12:46

the Andy Reid you know Tree, this

12:48

nice little branch off that Tree to

12:50

come bring offense to a

12:53

Bears team that has done this before. I mean, I

12:55

feel like this is the eighth incarnation

12:57

of the Bears team that relies

12:59

on d defense to generate um,

13:01

not just you know, juice,

13:03

but points that you can't win typically in Chicago

13:06

unless the defense scores. And the only way they

13:08

even climbed vaguely back into

13:10

the contest last night was a defensive

13:12

score. And I guess I'm tired of it.

13:14

And I feel a little bit like when you critique

13:17

the Bears on you know, during a game like

13:19

this, their fans come at you real hard.

13:21

And I get it. It's it's rough to watch

13:23

your team getting its butt trouns on

13:25

national television. But it's also fair

13:27

to critique a Bears team that

13:30

deserves to give more to its fan base. I

13:32

mean, I just I couldn't be more with you on David

13:34

Montgomery. I feel like we've mentioned him before that,

13:37

you know, all offseason long, it's like this guy

13:39

better be you know, on your radar and fantasy

13:41

drafts. The Bears want to run the ball,

13:43

but it ran the ball for like two point three yards per

13:45

carry. It's the same story every week.

13:48

But they they team builded this

13:50

roster for this moment.

13:53

They went into the season with a bunch of bluster

13:55

about you know, Mitch Robinsky and

13:57

Nick Foles, and it's exhaust

14:00

seen at this point. I mean, I think we saw this

14:02

coming in March April, and may

14:05

I mean in the Rams. The Rams. Also, the team's

14:07

combined to go eight for seven on third down,

14:09

so the Rams like offense has

14:11

some issues too. And I still feel like, you

14:13

know, tell me if I'm wrong, because we're in l

14:16

A and you I listened to a lot of l A talk

14:18

radio and Jared Goff gets mentioned a bunch

14:20

here and there. But I feel like nationally he

14:22

doesn't receive some of the critique

14:25

that he should um in terms of the

14:27

fact. I wonder if it's because he's just

14:30

because he's like his haircut, he's just solid.

14:32

He's there, He's a little bit better than average

14:34

if you if you protect him, well, he's

14:37

like an inoffensive Banana republic ad.

14:39

I think he's just to critique. He's

14:41

like he's good, he's okay, like he

14:44

right, solid, is strong. He had he's viewed

14:46

as baby being sort of baby sat by

14:48

Sean McVeigh. So you have to critique Sean

14:51

McVeigh, which does not happen in the NFL.

14:53

Very good offense. They're

14:55

not great. They're like, you're like six

14:57

or seventh and d v o A. They're like great in

14:59

term to the running game. You

15:02

we can team up with how they run the ball

15:04

more

15:05

than you guys know a

15:10

great run game. They're

15:12

the best. They're the most efficient running game in the league

15:14

in terms of like per play, they're they're they're

15:16

a great running team. I don't know about

15:19

great. The Trabinsky full situation

15:21

is tough because Nick

15:24

Foles really, uh,

15:26

that much better than Trabinsky, And it

15:28

did cross my mind, like Matt Naggy is

15:30

getting killed now and you could feel like the pressure

15:33

coming from the Bears fan base. It's

15:35

kind of like an Adam Gates light situation to me,

15:37

where you could feel that kind of negativity

15:39

creeping around that organization.

15:41

Now, But Naggie did get Trabinsky

15:44

drafted, and we don't need to relitigate that situation.

15:47

Uh. And then Nick Foles comes in and he's

15:49

not the same player anymore, Like what

15:52

what chance did he have to

15:54

really get this offense cooking. I don't

15:56

know, because quarterback plays so important and Monday

15:58

night, like that game jumps out to me,

16:01

Colleen that like in in our

16:03

league, uh, Troy

16:05

Aikman, all rights reserved. You

16:07

have to have a quarterback that can move and and when

16:10

things if you're if you can't scheme up guys

16:12

open and you can't if your playmakers

16:14

can't win one on one matchups, you have to

16:16

have a backup plan now because the league is too strong

16:18

and too fast. Coming after the quarterback full

16:20

sitting back there like a statue,

16:22

it's just like there's just no there's no pop,

16:25

there's no juice. Well, especially in this

16:27

game against the Rams pass rush, because

16:29

you would think, okay, if Nick Foles is

16:31

going to be in this game and he can't get out of trouble

16:33

in the interior of that offensive line as questionable

16:36

as it is, let's try and neutralize

16:38

some of that pass rush by running the ball. But obviously,

16:40

as you guys pointed out, like it just hasn't happened

16:43

all season long. Coming into the game the

16:45

previous three weeks, the Bears were averaging forty

16:47

two rushing yards per game. No other

16:49

team in the entire league had fewer than

16:52

sixty four rushing yards. So last

16:54

night, what do they do, same thing? I mean they total

16:56

forty nine rushing yards, twenty in the first

16:58

half. That's not how you get it on And obviously

17:00

when you're behind, you're not gonna be able to run the ball, but

17:02

like from the jump, maybe try and get it going

17:05

a little bit there and help out Nick Foles,

17:07

because that's a lot what the Rams do

17:09

with Jared Golf. They built stuff

17:11

off of the run, and Golf was methodical.

17:14

He spread the ball around a seven different pass

17:16

catchers. They mixed it up on offense,

17:18

they were balanced, they round the ball. Five different

17:20

guys were able to carry the ball. So

17:23

this bears offense. It just doesn't move the

17:25

needle at all. And Matt Naggie's in a really

17:27

bad spot now because what are you gonna do. You can't

17:29

go back to Mitch Drabinski right

17:32

Well, they're back to back coaches of the year McVeigh

17:34

and and Naggie. Yeah they could, and they

17:37

might not much change anything, but why not.

17:39

Bols didn't earn anything in Chicago, hasn't.

17:42

I mean, you rotate the guys in and out every

17:44

week. There, you're right there, there's no

17:47

solution, but you're to point between

17:49

McVeigh and Naggy. I think is

17:51

is a smart one and the organization like

17:53

they built the right team. I mean, Golf has no mobility

17:56

either, although he's approved a little bit uh

17:58

in that realm. I think this year he's made a couple off

18:00

platform throws he did last night. Um,

18:03

but like when you're getting Johnny Mutt and

18:05

Josh Reynolds involved with big plays

18:07

like that does show the difference in terms of the coaching

18:09

and the team building. The Rams can still have a

18:11

pretty respectable offense with you know, not

18:13

necessarily the best talent in the league, and

18:16

the Bears are just I think Goff's

18:18

lack of ability hurts that offense too. He

18:20

I think he's a better version of what Nick bole.

18:22

He wasn't sharp part of a lot of times games

18:24

come down to who comes down with like free balls

18:27

at Goff could have had three turnovers.

18:29

There are two plays he could have been picked. He had

18:31

a fumble that the Rams recovered, whereas the

18:34

Rams kind of you know, did capitalize on

18:36

their turn over opportunity. Turn opportunities

18:39

on defense. So it's like it wasn't that a difference. It's

18:41

like like seven years away from twenty

18:44

three quarterbacks essentially being sort of

18:46

Kyler Murray clones and

18:48

the Jared Goff's in the Nick Foles

18:50

of the world, and even some of I

18:52

look at someone like Baker Mayfield, who isn't really a scrambler.

18:55

I mean, that's a liability at

18:57

quarterback half a decade from now, if not now

18:59

already. And so the quarterback position

19:02

is changing, and someone like Nick Foles

19:04

looks like he was thrust to us from three decades

19:06

ago. And let's give before we move

19:08

on, let's give a little love to a

19:11

man that should be going to the Hall of Fame, Johnny

19:13

Hecker. And I know Ray guys a punter

19:15

that that's in the All of Fame. I don't know if there's anyone

19:17

else, but Hecker has been

19:20

incredible, uh for the Rams

19:22

his entire career and in a game

19:24

that was pretty boring, and that was one of the kind

19:26

of uh narratives on Twitters

19:28

like this game sucks. You had Johnny

19:31

Hecker punt five times, each punt

19:33

dropping in getting down inside the

19:35

ten yard line, especially in a game like

19:38

that, a low scoring, you know, field

19:40

position driven game. The man is like a nuclear

19:42

weapon, and uh, I just enjoyed

19:44

seeing Hecker have a moment there. That was fun.

19:47

And not only that, just real quick before we wrap

19:49

it up, like, I'm really curious to see how

19:51

good this Rams team actually is when

19:54

they start playing real competition

19:56

within their own division. I mean, we saw what they

19:58

lost to the Niners, but they have five wins,

20:01

four of them are against NFC East

20:03

teams, so it's like, yeah,

20:07

that's fair, that's fair. This is a good

20:09

win. Bears have, Bears have beaten good

20:11

teams like the Bucks. So just just to get it done

20:14

and get it convincing, it's good for them. But you're absolutely

20:16

right. I am curious, like when I'm thinking of like

20:18

what's the Rams weakness And to me, it's just like

20:20

they're in a they're in a conference with in

20:22

a in a league with like

20:25

super sensational offenses.

20:27

I don't know if they're there, they're like they're

20:29

pretty good, you know, they're like Jared Goff,

20:32

They're pretty good. That's what they were two years

20:34

ago. All right, that's

20:36

Monday Night football. Before

20:38

we get to terrifying

20:41

thoughts, uh Mark

20:43

mentioned his Browns and Baker Mayfield. Mayfield

20:45

will not have Odell Beckham for the rest

20:47

of the year. We talked about

20:49

it on Sunday Show. Beckham was injured Mayfield

20:52

through an interception on the Cleveland's

20:55

first drive of the game in Sunday's win against

20:57

Cincinnati. During the rundown

20:59

of that interception run back, Odell

21:02

gets his knee banged up. It turns out, of course,

21:05

Uh to be a torn a c l So

21:07

hopefully he's back healthy and ready

21:09

for one. Do you buy

21:12

into its Seessler? I think you tweeted

21:14

something along these lines on Twitter? Do

21:17

you buy into the idea? And obviously at

21:19

stinks for Beckham, who

21:21

when he's when he's right as an electrifying talent,

21:24

but that he ever that he never really made Baker

21:26

better. And can you connect dots between

21:29

Beckham going out on Sunday for instance,

21:31

and then uh Mayfield going off. Well,

21:34

I mean it's a it's a small sample size.

21:36

I mean I retweeted someone who just put

21:39

the basic numbers of what Baker

21:42

um produced without Odell Beckham

21:44

from when he came into the league till now and with

21:46

and and there were some stark differences. I mean,

21:48

I never would say that taking a

21:51

all pro level wide receiver off your

21:53

roster will make any team better.

21:56

But this is just

21:58

conjecture. But I just kind of feel

22:00

like the Baker O'Dell

22:03

thing Um was engined

22:05

off a lot of force throws last season

22:07

and this year was um. They did a better job

22:10

with it. They got Odell Beckham involved in a different

22:12

way. But I can't remember, you know, two

22:14

or three games in a row, I mean really

22:16

even two where you said that Baker Nodell

22:19

Beckham were on the same page. Uh. He

22:21

Baker has looked much better with guys like Richard

22:24

Higgins Um who had a hundred yards in the last

22:26

game, guys like Richard perrimanen

22:29

I And I don't know what that means. I think that the

22:31

one little other thing that jumps out

22:33

to me with Baker Mayfield, I think he needs to be and

22:35

whether or not you agree that he is this, I just think

22:37

he needs to kind of be the alpha

22:40

male, the alpha dog in the room. And

22:42

when we bring in Odell Beckham,

22:45

I mean, you're adding great talent, but I

22:47

think it kind of changed the dynamic of

22:49

what Baker's role was. I think he was sort of

22:52

clearly catering to Odell Beckham a year ago

22:54

and feeling the pressure around that. I don't

22:56

know, I mean football strange. Maybe

22:58

sometimes you remove someone from the

23:00

mix and the chemistry is altered and

23:03

um, more players get involved. They had a lot

23:05

more players involved last game and

23:07

they needed to um and they're gonna keep needing too. But

23:09

I don't think removing it makes you a better team,

23:11

right. I think two things can be true. That they're

23:13

worse without Odell Beckham

23:16

and that the Baker Mayfield Odell

23:18

Beckham thing has been a you know, disappointment.

23:21

Not you know, it's unfortunately he got injured,

23:23

but Odell, you know, was on pace for under

23:26

a thousand yards this year before

23:28

the injury. It just wasn't in

23:30

an efficient connection. And

23:32

I know Adell was playing through an injury, but he played

23:34

all last year and there were so many

23:37

drop passes and bad you

23:39

know, interceptions that the interception that

23:42

Odell got hurt on was it was a throw to Adell.

23:44

So I don't know what the answer for that is, but it's

23:46

just it wasn't in a efficient connection.

23:49

I don't think it makes them better, but I like

23:51

Baker to O'Dell wasn't working.

23:54

I'm curious if Baker to everyone else can work

23:56

better when they're not playing the Bengals like that.

23:58

That's a bigger question. Um.

24:00

Yeah, any any other thoughts

24:03

on that county. It's just like

24:05

such a bummer with all of the injuries

24:07

we've seen all season long to so many

24:09

of the big names, and this is just another one

24:12

added to the long, long crazy.

24:15

It feels like everyone especially I

24:18

mean, this isn't the case, but it just feels that way, like the elite

24:20

guys, someone you're gonna pop in

24:22

a c L at some point and Backham.

24:24

One of his issues, uh really

24:27

since his Giants heyday has been staying

24:29

healthy. He's always been hurt. Uh, And

24:31

it's unfortunate now that he gets hit by

24:33

the a c L monster. I think he turns

24:35

twenty eighth next month. Um,

24:38

so he's gonna long rehab ahead of him. Don't

24:40

you think back to like I think to with

24:43

West on our podcast, you know where we

24:45

wish West was on the show today, But

24:47

just talking about like that, O'Dell has an all time

24:49

great talking about that year by the way of Johnny

24:51

Hecker as an all time great too, that that season

24:54

was heckers like m v P year and

24:56

now it's just through bad luck

24:59

and then the trade and every thing like well,

25:01

I remember west career has totally changed. When

25:03

we did Sandwich Props ahead of the twenty nineteen

25:05

season, coming off the summer Brown's hype, West

25:08

had predicted that Beckham

25:10

was going to set the touchdown records. So that's kind of where

25:12

things were in terms of hype. And

25:15

West obviously was a guy that knows his stuff

25:17

like you was right. He he had one of the past

25:19

four years to start a career. Ever it

25:21

all, I kind of made sense that

25:24

it was going to happen. It just never has

25:26

and who knows if it ever will. Um? All

25:28

right, Dan, I cannot stop um

25:31

peering at this boy demon over

25:33

your shoulder. I'm sorry, it's just slightly

25:36

disturbing. Keep

25:38

the happy lollipop. Is it more disturbing

25:40

than when I filled out my

25:43

my general election ballot before today's

25:45

show? And Kanye West was one of the

25:47

options as vice president? Yeah,

25:50

but I thought he was running for president because I thought the same

25:52

thing when I filled out my ballot yesterday. Didn't he

25:54

flip? He became the undercard to that to some

25:56

other he didn't

25:58

realize that that's the thing that happened.

26:01

You know, It's funny, like if you would have told me, let's

26:03

say, you know, after college

26:05

dropout, maybe late registration around

26:08

two thousand five, like, oh, Kanye

26:10

for president. M I think

26:12

there's some things that would potentially make

26:14

sense about that, But as time

26:16

has gone on, I just don't

26:18

think. I don't think Greg. I don't think he's the

26:21

answer. I don't you know. We

26:23

we've been, um, we've

26:25

been promoting NFL votes. It's like, yeah,

26:27

NFL votes except for Kanye,

26:30

but yeah, check out check

26:33

out l a vote dot net. If you're nearby. There's

26:35

this website that shows you how long the weight

26:37

is that all the early voting centers I'm going

26:40

today, I'm excited for that, and they're all

26:42

under fifteen minutes at least today. There.

26:44

I was in and out yesterday,

26:46

which if that should be the case for

26:48

everybody everywhere. But the

26:51

one thing that I really felt like it was a bad omen

26:53

was as we left the voting center, there

26:57

was just a brush fire that had

27:00

started out of nowhere and was

27:02

like starting to rage on the side of the road,

27:05

and no fire trucks were there yet or anything,

27:07

so like that that was something

27:09

that was scary. Yeah, don't don't love

27:11

that symbolism. All right, let's let's

27:14

get into it. Yes, Um,

27:17

the NFL. We're almost halfway through the regular

27:19

season now, and I

27:22

always like, you know, some

27:24

of the you know, if you're kind of a

27:26

generic bro, you're gonna say,

27:28

hey, season don't really start till

27:30

after Thanksgiving. Like, I mean, that's

27:33

what we've been saying, Hey,

27:37

decease, don't even watch till the turkey

27:40

serbed. That's that's very normal,

27:42

Princess. It is something FRANCESSA

27:45

would say from his godfather Bill p ourselves

27:47

started right, But I

27:50

think what Francess and whomever

27:52

else that was more like that's

27:54

when you really start to see who were the true

27:56

elite teams and all the separation happens.

27:59

But for me, Halloween is a

28:01

really good time to take a take a

28:03

look at kind of where everybody is, uh,

28:06

And we're going to kind of do that in a segment we

28:08

call terrifying

28:11

Thoughts. Now,

28:15

these thoughts everybody

28:17

could be terrifying in a negative way

28:20

for a team or in a positive

28:22

way for a team, and more terrifying

28:24

for the opposition. So it could go positive negative.

28:28

Let's get going here with Greg

28:30

Rosal. All right, um,

28:32

I'm gonna go positive at

28:35

least in terms of the Green Bay Packers.

28:37

And think if you're an NFC contender

28:40

and you find out over the next week that

28:44

the Green Bay Packers have added Stefan Gilmore

28:47

to the mix. Albert Brier reporting

28:49

that the Patriots have been listening to offers

28:52

for Stefan Gilmore. And you think about

28:54

this Green Bay Packers team

28:56

with j Are Alexander maybe the best shutdown

28:58

corner on one side. Then

29:01

you add Stefan Gilmore, who's probably looking

29:03

for some money on the other side, and

29:05

suddenly Mike Patton can cook up

29:07

all the things he wants to do.

29:09

It doesn't matter that you run. Defense is

29:11

bad. Terrifying? What let

29:14

me ask you this, Greg, because that is

29:16

terrifying. It's terrifying

29:19

to think that the Patriots are just giving

29:21

up and starting over, because why would you

29:24

step on Gilmore. I know he hasn't been quite

29:26

as good this year, but this is the

29:28

reigning defensive player of the year. He's

29:31

still I believe twenty eight or so. This seems

29:33

like a guy that should be around in the building,

29:35

but they are potentially ready to just tear it down.

29:38

Well, I think you gotta look at where do these reports

29:40

come from? And I think Stephan Gilmore wants

29:42

to get paid more. He's actually thirty dan

29:45

and he's not gonna be um a free

29:47

agent for another two

29:49

years. I think, you know, this year and then in

29:52

the next season, and he's relatively

29:54

underpaid. Is he gonna ever get that big

29:56

payday? Again? Who is floating

29:58

this out there? The Patriots seem unlikely

30:01

to just give him a monster deal. They did just give

30:03

him out of the kindness of their heart, you know, for

30:05

Belichick five extra billion dollars

30:07

this year, kind of the Gronk deal of like, hey, we know you're

30:09

wildly underpaid, will give you a little bump

30:12

um. But he might know he's

30:14

not getting that big extension with the Patriots,

30:16

and that makes sense. I love the idea

30:19

of this swap because you know, if

30:21

Mike Petton's defense, which has seems

30:23

to have issues wherever it occurs,

30:26

when it thrives though, you think back to Cromarty

30:28

and Rivas Island together. Now that was Rex

30:31

and Petting together, and they can they can

30:33

argue about who did what. But that's that's

30:35

what Mike Petton defense is to shut

30:37

down type corners. And I mean

30:39

Richard Seymour. You look at guys in New

30:41

England that have been shipped out when people

30:44

still found them extremely effective. That's the bell

30:46

and sometimes they trade them during

30:48

a Super Bowl season. It's

30:50

happened. They're good players. So I wouldn't put anything

30:52

past is at the same level as a Gilmore though

30:54

this is the first team. I mean like a Chandler

30:57

Jones that was before a Super Bowl year. I

30:59

mean they were gone into first

31:01

didn't he from

31:03

Raiders? It

31:07

is wild that, like we're sitting in this position

31:09

where the Patriots are talking

31:11

about trading one of their best

31:14

defensive players, Like that's just so

31:17

of the league. Mm hmm true

31:20

that, Colleen, you're up. Oh

31:23

okay, great. So, UM,

31:26

I may have taken

31:28

this in a wrong direction. Um, I

31:30

just did general terrifying

31:33

thoughts. So

31:38

I'm just trying to do before

31:41

Greg, before we decide whether it works. Let's hear what

31:43

college says first. Okay, alright,

31:46

so, uh, the first terrifying

31:48

thought that really popped to my head was

31:50

a really frightening one. Um, and it's how

31:53

we will all be spending our Week

31:55

eight in prime time. Really, we're just gonna

31:57

suffer together because three

32:00

NFC East teams are in the prime

32:02

time windows of this week,

32:05

and the scariest of all Sunday

32:07

Night football. We got Cowboys

32:09

at Eagles, Carson Wentz and

32:11

I guess Ben Denucci. I

32:14

mean, as

32:16

if that isn't enough of a complete

32:19

horror show, then Monday Night

32:21

football we have Giants

32:23

at Bucks. So it's obviously

32:25

a truly chilling division.

32:28

In fact, it's the first division in the

32:30

history of the entire NFL without

32:32

a three win team through Week

32:35

seven, so it's historically scary,

32:37

and I think most blood curdling

32:40

of all is we're sentenced to

32:42

watch one of these teams continue in the

32:44

postseason. So we're gonna have to lean

32:46

on each other through this, you know, really

32:49

terrifyingly scary time and just

32:51

stay strong because everything is very sinister.

32:55

It's great, okay,

32:59

absolutely, I mean this is this

33:01

is so grim and I'll give you a little

33:03

like preview of a terrifying thought on

33:05

my own. The Bears and Rams

33:08

have played in prime time against each

33:10

other three years in a row. We don't

33:13

need any of that anymore either. I

33:16

think it's time. And this again, if

33:18

West was here, he would absolutely jump

33:20

in um. But it's

33:23

time to take a step back

33:25

with these NFC East prime time games. Understand

33:28

the markets involved, but until that division

33:30

gets it's pooped together, you cannot

33:33

put that on your schedule. It's bad for everyone,

33:35

including the networks. They're

33:38

always helpful, and this is this isn't the last

33:40

week. That's terrifying. We've got We've got

33:42

Cowboys coming up in a few I think there's

33:44

three more Cowboys prime time games.

33:47

I have. I have the I

33:49

have Cowboys, Washington and

33:53

Giants and thirty

33:55

in the power rankings. If the Cowboys

33:57

beat the Eagles, I'm gonna get to put them

34:00

in a four pack cocoon

34:02

of sadness right just north

34:04

of jets Land. I mean, that's where we're at. This is

34:07

historic. It's

34:09

really bad. It's really really bad for us

34:11

to have to, like, listen, prime Time should

34:14

be the most exciting game of the week.

34:16

I mean, I even felt like this past week

34:18

there were so many amazing finishes. Well

34:20

there goes my microphone, got it. Look at those

34:23

catlike reflexes. Uh, there

34:25

were so many amazing finishes

34:27

in the early window, and then we got to the afternoon

34:30

and it was kind of like, oh, all right, well,

34:33

thankfully we had the night game with

34:35

Seahawks and Cardinals. But it just feels like every

34:38

week they should just they should just flex

34:40

things out every week and have the game of the

34:42

week in prime time. We've seen, we're

34:44

seeing, unfortunately because the coronavirus,

34:47

that the NFL can sustain itself with flexibility

34:50

and the scheduling. Maybe it's time

34:52

to start protecting prime time a little bit more.

34:54

I don't all right, I'm gonna jump, I'm

34:56

gonna piggyback Connie off

34:58

KENNFC East because I want to talk to Cowboys

35:01

specifically. Here

35:03

we go this

35:10

terrifying thoughts. The Cowboys

35:12

are now two and five. Andy

35:15

Dalton is a mess, Bunny

35:18

Blucci. It

35:21

sounds like my neighbor back in Bay Ridge,

35:23

Brooklyn Everson

35:25

Griffin is on the block of rap sheet

35:27

reported. Have you ever seen a more obvious

35:31

UH signal? Sending up the old bat

35:33

trade signal to the Seattle Seahawks

35:35

after their Gholston on Sunday night,

35:37

Please take our aging veteran pass rusher.

35:40

You need him more than we do. Dak

35:42

coming off a gruesome lower leg injury,

35:46

and we'll still command Mahomesian money

35:50

on his next deal. Dallas

35:52

obviously needs to

35:55

kind of fix this roster and get some more flexibility.

35:58

Yeah, here's a r if I thought

36:01

the Cowboys might be tanking for Trevor,

36:07

think about it. Think about it now. Now

36:10

the two wins is already putting

36:12

you in a tough spot. I could put

36:14

this flashlight on a new uh. So

36:16

you almost have to come close to losing out

36:18

to have any shot of it. But you wonder if

36:21

they if things ever played out where

36:23

they were either at number one overall or

36:25

close enough to maybe make a godfather offer

36:28

to get there, If Giarra would

36:30

say, do I

36:32

want to give four

36:35

million dollars to Dak Prescott and try to

36:37

fix a broken roster? Or will

36:39

I take a uber rookie

36:42

Trevor Lawrence, get the flexibility

36:44

of that rookie contract and take a swing

36:46

at it from a different angle. I mean, the

36:49

fact that I even can pitch this as a possibility

36:51

tells you how off the rails things have gone. And doubt

36:53

it is. It is scary. What why?

36:56

I don't think it would be easy to pull it off. Is

36:58

that they still have plenty of games against

37:01

the NFC East and they're bound to and

37:03

I don't trust them. I don't trust

37:05

you NFCS. I

37:07

did, but I don't. But here's the thing, this coaching

37:09

staff. Iff if even if you got everyone on

37:11

board and said, look at you're all safe going into next

37:13

year, I need you to find a

37:15

way to lose. Like everybody don't need to try

37:17

to lose. They're great at it. No one is

37:19

better at getting blown out than the Cowboys. I

37:22

just if you, if you tell Mike McCarthy and Mike

37:24

Nolan, now your job is to lose these games,

37:26

they will find a way to not get that job

37:28

done and win three by the stat sounds like a movie,

37:33

right, was

37:36

really the icing on the cake? Oh

37:38

yeah, I love that idea.

37:40

What if the coaching staff was so bad that

37:43

the ownership went in and did the Castanza move

37:45

where it's like, do everything opposite, and then that

37:47

team went on a Super Bowl run. That's

37:50

kind of the fun idea for a movie. And there might

37:52

be you know, it might not just be Trevor Lawrence. Maybe it's

37:54

Justin Fields. Who knows, there's other QB prospects,

37:56

it's pretty early. You're right. If the Cowboys are

37:59

even in the top five area, that

38:02

gets pretty interesting because

38:04

as bad as the NFC East is, I

38:06

think the Cowboys, even if Dalton comes

38:09

back, are the worst by far

38:11

because there those offensive linemen aren't coming back

38:14

and their defense is showing absolutely no

38:16

signs that they'll ever get better, like they

38:18

could lose all those games. I'd

38:21

be curious what a Cowboys fan would think

38:23

about that. If you were presented with that

38:25

option, it would be good for Dac. You

38:28

know, Doac deserves to get out of this franchise.

38:30

He'll maybe land somewhere else, so you

38:33

know, it might not be the worst thing. All

38:35

right, Mark, all

38:37

right, this is um a vision

38:40

that I received, and it it I find

38:42

it's something terrifying to ponder. It

38:45

starts off sweet and it's Patriots

38:47

Patriots based. It starts off

38:49

suite with New England falling to Buffalo thirty

38:51

to sixteen, okay on Sunday, one

38:53

day after Halloween. But then

38:57

the Paths come out in week nine running the

38:59

scheme that employs multiple centers

39:02

in a dizzy rotation of backs and tight

39:04

ends who received the direct snap wildcat

39:07

style out of an old Air Force

39:09

flexbone formation that Belichick has

39:11

been studying. No quarterback is

39:13

used, but Cam Newton has a

39:15

major role. He has given the same giant

39:18

shoulder pads worn by touchdown

39:20

Tommy Vardell with the Browns in artifact

39:23

that Bill Belichick has kept in a vault

39:26

below Gillette Stadium. Here's

39:28

where it gets weird. Can becomes

39:30

a rumbling nightmare who averages a hundred

39:33

and five yards a game, while Sony Michelle,

39:35

James White, Ryan Izzo helped

39:37

the Pats to become an offense that passes for sixty

39:40

five yards a tilt but run

39:42

for four hundred and six yards per game. Down

39:44

the stretch, all right. They

39:46

blow the doors off Miami, Buffalo

39:49

and the Jets over the final three weeks, and

39:51

when the a f C East at eleven and five

39:53

over Buffalo by tiebreaker, oh

39:55

they're back. They

39:57

beat the Browns to seven

40:00

in the first playoff till before knocking

40:02

off the Ravens twelve to nine,

40:04

and then beguiling the Steelers twenty

40:06

to nothing in a contest that sees cam

40:09

Izzo. When the Patriots hold the ball for

40:11

forty eight minutes, you don't need steph On

40:13

Gilmore. Then in Super Bowl fifty

40:15

five, they surprise talking

40:17

head chucklers by having Jared's Stidham

40:20

out of nowhere throw the ball twenty

40:22

straight times to open the game. He goes

40:24

nineteen of twenty with one drop

40:26

by our pal Izzo to build a

40:28

fourteen nothing lead over the Green Bay Packers.

40:31

Belichick McDaniels then come out of the

40:33

third quarter and hand the ball off

40:35

to Izo fourteen straight times.

40:38

He never gets more than four yards, but

40:40

never less than three, and by going

40:42

forward on fourth down every time, they

40:44

carve up Mike Petton's little defense

40:47

as little boy with a beard freaks out

40:49

on the sideline, that drive eats

40:51

up fourteen minutes of the third quarter. Then

40:54

New England answers a Teddy Bridgewater touchdown

40:56

tossed to d J. Moore by having

40:58

Julian Edelman go eight for eight

41:00

passing out of the run and shoot out of nowhere

41:02

in the final quarter with a touchdown

41:05

strike to center David Andrews to the

41:08

seven Super Bowl win. All

41:10

our worst fears are realized.

41:14

What a detailed vision. My favorite part

41:16

of that was that is Oh would

41:19

never run for more than four yards. Another lesson

41:21

run for less than three. That's just funny to

41:23

me. The first thing I learned in Pop

41:25

Warner. We had this coach and he was a great coach,

41:27

but he he would go I think to the old

41:30

Kawana's club after work and put a few

41:32

down before coming to coach. Boys

41:35

up and uh. He told

41:37

us this before every game. Look, all I need

41:39

to do is get three yards on every play.

41:41

And I was like, well, you know, we'd think like, but that gets

41:43

us the fourth and one. He's like, we if you can get me

41:45

three yards on every single play, we

41:47

will go for it on fourth down every

41:50

time, and we will maul every team we

41:52

play. Now that did not unfold that way, I

41:54

can promise you, but that was his theory. Are

41:57

down when you drive home after a couple

41:59

of Jane is just stable the speed

42:01

limit and never make any illegal

42:03

turns. That was he. It

42:05

was a small town. He he knew his way home. Is

42:08

that your worst fear? Though? Mark sounded like you might

42:10

enjoy that, like you've still got

42:12

some nine. Yeah, you

42:15

kind of would love it. I mean, if you're putting Cam Newton in

42:17

one of those like the shoulder pads, like come up to the

42:19

top of your helmet. I think that

42:23

is chaos. You like chaos in all

42:25

forms. But that's not That wasn't terrifying to

42:27

me, that was sci fi. That was that was fantasy

42:29

because the Patriots. There's

42:32

no saving this team. That's

42:34

how we feel. Now you know what great coaching is gonna do

42:36

for this team, Greg and I I'm

42:38

I had Belichick as my Coach of the Year pick

42:41

because I thought he was gonna be able to do it. But

42:43

there's only so much one can do. I think he's

42:45

gonna coach this team up to seven and nine.

42:48

I think that's the ceiling year. Do you agree

42:50

or disagree? Too

42:52

many crazy things have happened in every season

42:55

by that we never see coming that.

42:57

I wouldn't say that's the ceiling because you never know.

42:59

But I'm not have no optimism. What's

43:01

the record on January one? If

43:04

I had to guess, I would probably go about, yeah,

43:07

eight and eight, and even that feels optimistic

43:09

very I mean, they've been one of the word. They've been the worst

43:11

team in the league last two weeks, right

43:14

there with the Jets. Do you like the idea

43:16

of just having a rotation of guys

43:18

taking direct snaps.

43:21

That is really

43:23

innovative with multiple centers remembers,

43:26

so like you don't even know where the ball is coming from.

43:28

It's like he dips deep into like old Air

43:30

Force schemes that were used to nearly

43:32

beat Michigan in two thousand twelve. That kind

43:35

of stuff. How exciting. Mark

43:37

that was the best comedy sci fi since Spaceballs.

43:39

Yes, another space Balls reference on the podcast. I

43:41

don't get your fascination with that, with that, I've

43:44

never even seen that film. What what one

43:46

word? You love it? Right? I know you're

43:48

a space ball San. Let's go around the horn one more

43:50

time, Connie. I'm just gonna

43:53

go Connie, here we go? All

43:57

right? So where

43:59

is it? Okay? Uh? Here's here?

44:01

My my internet is a mess? My computer?

44:04

Slow god. Hey, here's

44:06

a truly terrifying thought. Though. Imagine

44:10

just imagine for a second being

44:12

chased by DK Metcalf, Like

44:14

is somebody who only runs

44:17

one being chased. This is a truly

44:19

petrifying thought. Now, Buddha Baker

44:22

not a slow dude, and DK Metcalf

44:24

just full on sprinted the entire

44:27

length basically of the field and took

44:29

him down to the point that it even caught the

44:31

attention of USA Track and Field,

44:33

who invited him to Olympic Trials

44:35

next year. So he's scary talented,

44:38

he's only in a second year. He should

44:40

be feared by all. That's

44:42

my terrifying thoughts. I love that, you

44:44

know, I would say, this is what a thing

44:46

I would love to see, because the funny

44:48

thing is, I crossed my mind after Sunday

44:51

Night Show when you went through the whole list

44:53

of all the crazy stuff, we

44:55

didn't talk about DK running down the

44:58

pick six, the sure pick six, which was one of the

45:00

great plays. Uh,

45:02

if you if you gave me an athletic contest

45:04

of DK Metcalf, let's

45:07

say Miles Garrett and then throwing

45:09

Mahomes because obviously he's not as imposing

45:11

as those guys, but he has these supernatural

45:14

hand eye coordination gifts. And then just do

45:16

a series of athletic events. I'd love to see,

45:18

like who would win because net calf

45:20

size, like combined with

45:23

that speed, they maybe throw Derrick

45:25

Henry and to get him in the competition too. I

45:27

mean, it's just incredible to watch what

45:29

he can do. He had like tree

45:33

on that tackle. Baker ran

45:35

a four or four five and then and it was running away

45:37

from everyone else. That was the part of it that

45:39

freaked me out. It's like he was running away

45:42

from other receivers and other defensive

45:44

backs and then Metcalf just comes from

45:46

But yeah, I regretted not mentioning

45:48

that as a big fumble. I've

45:51

gotten some analytics people on Twitter a

45:53

little bit annoyed because I've made light of the

45:55

fact that don't tell me about the top speed

45:57

thing, because everyone runs twenty one point seven

46:00

miles per hour at their high speed, the fastest

46:02

guys, but no, DK is the

46:04

guy that broke that by going twenty three.

46:07

I think it's scaring that critique boot

46:09

Like Buddha Baker had a ten yard

46:11

head start and somehow someway

46:14

d K was able to catch up with him and then

46:16

just basically absorb him on

46:18

the tackle. I think a big thing that helped

46:21

him was obviously Buddha has the ultimate

46:23

momentum, he steps in front of the ball and he's gone.

46:26

But when you showed the replay, Metcalf

46:28

was curling out of his route, kind of coming back

46:30

toward the line of scrimmage, so he was kind

46:32

of going in that direction as well. That

46:34

gave him the start he needed and then he oh

46:37

my god, that was fun. If you put Metcalf

46:39

at the end zone and me seventy

46:41

yards away at the thirty running towards

46:43

the other end zone, I'm not sure that my chances

46:46

are good in that situation. Is that the whole eisen

46:48

uh forty yard dash thing at the combine,

46:51

I think they did that. It was something similar,

46:53

and I think with the like the pre

46:55

or they they put the little image of the of the haunting

46:58

ghost player on top. Catch enough to eyes and sure,

47:00

all right, great, give us another one. All right, I'm

47:03

gonna give you two really quick, the first

47:05

one just because I want to throw it out there. It's a trade I could

47:07

see happening. The best deep ball thrower

47:09

in the league, Russell Wilson, the most unstoppable

47:11

vertical offense in the league, and you just give

47:13

them a little will Fuller on a contract

47:16

year. Texans don't need him. Jack Easterby crawls

47:18

out of his hole to make one last

47:20

trade before they get rid of them. But

47:23

my my real scary thought is

47:25

for Bengals fans, and you think about

47:27

Geno Atkins not playing, Carlos

47:30

Dunlap not playing a j Green.

47:32

You know, making seventeen million dollars

47:35

in your last year of Bengals and you

47:37

know what you do, absolutely

47:39

nothing like the last thirty years

47:42

in your entire franchise history. That's

47:44

your nightmare. That's scary, that is

47:47

that's what they'll do. That's what the Bengals do. That's

47:52

by the way, Zach Taylor has three

47:54

wins in twenty games. At some point you

47:57

need to win some games. I know they're making progress on

47:59

the competitive out, but at some point that

48:01

was my Coach of the Year pick. I mean, there's still time,

48:05

all right, Let's keep rolling here. Terrifying

48:10

thought. Tom Brady

48:13

kicked out Ricky wears

48:16

my music. Tom

48:19

Brady kicked out the door

48:21

in New England. Don't listen to Greg or

48:23

any of the other pr flax attached to that team.

48:27

They thought they'd be okay without him.

48:30

Right now, he's playing like a top three quarterback.

48:34

Gronk remember him. He wasn't kicked

48:36

out the door in New England, but he

48:38

stepped away. He was done with the Patriot

48:41

way and now he's continuing

48:43

to improve. Antonio

48:45

Brown hits the scene as

48:48

pure Mr Big Chest and becomes

48:52

a killer part of that offense, a

48:55

defense led by Devin White knocking

48:58

on the door of the superstar club,

49:01

Anton Winfield Junior rolling

49:04

toward defensive Rookie of the Year, the

49:08

Bucks all these things together could

49:11

become the overwhelming favorite

49:14

to win the suburbal

49:18

played in Tampa in front of ghosts

49:21

because there's a global pandemic that

49:23

ruined the world and

49:27

that's scary pirate ship, where's

49:30

the nightmare. It's a terrifying

49:32

thought that this team, as great as it's playing

49:34

right now, if Antonio Brown gets there and

49:37

finds a role in the offense, and I think he just

49:40

might. Uh. And with everything

49:42

else the way it is building, and

49:44

and the Brady thing, really I talked about on Sunday

49:46

Show that jumped out to me. I mean,

49:48

how awesome he looks the last couple of weeks,

49:51

Like if you're gonna get that guy with this defense, and

49:53

now you bring in the most productive wide receiver

49:55

pound for pound in the history of the league, with

49:58

whether you like him or not, a out to prove WHOA.

50:04

I think it's delightful. I mean it's

50:06

delightful for the NFL. Like Tom

50:09

Brady at forty three, after everything

50:11

he's done being supported by

50:14

the best roster I think in the NFL

50:16

and a great coach. I don't

50:18

know, like signed, sign me up? I

50:21

even. I mean I'm rooting for him this year. I think

50:23

it's one thing it helped with getting getting a tenth

50:26

at Super Bowl appearance to tie

50:28

his buddy Lebron but go for the

50:30

seventh title. Yeah, I

50:33

mean all that is exciting, And if

50:35

you are a Patriots hater and you've suffered through

50:37

years, the idea that he left there

50:39

and is thriving while Belichick is scrambling

50:42

just to be halfway mediocre. I

50:44

mean, all this stuff could not be playing out any

50:46

better for Brady. Although there's a

50:48

pretty big segment of the Patriots fan,

50:51

maybe not as much in Boston, but I know a

50:53

few who are kind of on board

50:55

with it, that just loved Brady so much that

50:57

they don't have the I think they're upset

50:59

about the Patriots, it's not going to be their favorite

51:01

team, but that they're they're going along

51:04

for the right. And then there's a larger

51:06

segment who it drives them crazy

51:08

and it feels feels possessive about It's

51:11

different than like it's different than Brett Farve

51:13

going to the Vikings. He didn't go to the Bills. I mean,

51:15

he's in a different conference and you have to be

51:18

probably from Boston to not find

51:20

some small enjoyment. And in half these Patriots

51:22

fans are gonna go back to being Celtics

51:24

and Red Sox and Bruins fans solely

51:27

in about three years. So that's out started.

51:30

End. I have one little related, last quick

51:33

scary thought go ahead, and it's

51:35

because looking I think that one thing that for all

51:37

the all the fun poke to Tom Brady

51:39

about his sports science, his diet,

51:42

the truth of the matter is something about

51:44

what he does, and it's d n A and it's

51:47

everything else. It's got to be in right condition. He

51:49

is forty three and looking better than most quarterbacks

51:52

twenty years younger that can't even make the throws he's

51:54

making. So I think about the fact that if

51:56

you're the little Raiders

51:58

or the little Bronco out in your outposts

52:01

thinking hey, we're good with Derek Carr

52:03

and we're good Withdrew lock and you know you thought

52:05

you came came into the year thinking we

52:08

have to organize our franchise to

52:10

take down Patrick Mahomes now Patrick

52:12

Mahomes plays as long as Tom Brady, he'll

52:14

be there till about which

52:17

is a concerning thought if he's still as good as Tom

52:19

Brady is at his age. But now

52:22

you also have to deal with Justin Herbert,

52:24

the rookie that no one thought would be a

52:26

factor and probably would be a dud, is

52:28

looking like the next big thing, and

52:30

suddenly the Raiders and Broncos have to pitch

52:32

to their fan base. Drew Lock, you know,

52:34

don't worry about his knee braves falling off as

52:37

he dishes his knee into the snow and

52:39

he can't make alls and the offense

52:41

is a mess. We're great, Derek Carr. He's gonna

52:43

be the same forever. But you're fine. You're

52:45

in a hot, boiling tank

52:47

of water. If you're in the a f C West. It's

52:50

two quarterbacks now, not one. Very scary

52:52

and it goes for the rest of the A s C. Yeah.

52:55

I The only the only pushback

52:57

for for that for me is I don't think the Rays

53:00

ever really were in the Brady sweepstakes

53:02

because, as it was reported, he didn't

53:04

want to leave the East Coast. Wasn't that a thing?

53:06

Well, I'm just saying that the Raiders car

53:09

or Tom Brady for one year or not have

53:11

to deal with Patrick Mahomes and for

53:14

the next twenty years, and it was

53:16

just Mahomes. Now it's two quarterbacks

53:18

in your dad, Mark

53:21

Davis wanted Tom Brady, and I did think

53:23

about that while Mark Davis is watching um

53:26

the Raiders from home because he refuses to

53:28

go to his new stadium, which still

53:31

which is awesome and weird but kind of awesome.

53:33

But then watching Brady shred the

53:35

quarterback that he not so subtly

53:38

threw under the bus in March. M

53:40

hmm, all right, good,

53:43

so that was truly terrified.

53:49

Colleen. What are you bean for Halloween this year?

53:52

Uh? Well, so I just found out that

53:54

they want us to dress up for t NFU

53:57

for a segment, So I

54:00

UM trying to come up with something very

54:02

quickly on the fly. So I guess you'll

54:04

have to wait and see. It'll be a big surprise for all of

54:06

us, including myself. Maybe anybody transition.

54:09

Does anybody have any ideas for

54:11

Connie? How about

54:13

tinker Bell? I feel like you would be a good tinker Bell.

54:16

Yeah, so, okay, I'll tell you what I'm

54:18

what I was thinking about. I'm thinking about dressing

54:21

up as a trash can and being the NFC

54:23

East. That's perfect.

54:25

That's so good. They're not going to do that right

54:28

now. That's good.

54:32

You should try it. That's good. Last year I was a

54:34

wolf in sheep's clothing and I had

54:36

them get me like the absolute most

54:38

unflattering huge sheep costumes

54:41

so I could be in that um and I like cut

54:43

off the sleeves because we were in the desert. We were in Arizona

54:45

for that game. So uh, we'll

54:47

see. I mean, maybe they'll let me dress up as a trash

54:49

can. This means crossed.

54:52

They have no problem with you putting three

54:54

of the market shares that basically carry

54:57

NFL network in a trash can on on Thursday

54:59

night football. This is what you do. I

55:01

will run to Spirit Halloween Connie

55:04

for you, and I will buy you the Tinkerbell

55:06

custom you hang up. You hang that in

55:08

the dressing room so they think that's what you're putting

55:10

on, and then five seconds before

55:12

you go live, you roll out in the garbage

55:14

can. I love it. I love it.

55:17

Alright, you guys have to tune in see

55:19

what happens and see what I'm dressed up. There

55:21

you go. And that is the transition to Thursday

55:23

Night Football, the Atlanta Falcons

55:26

at the Carolina Panthers. Falcons

55:29

coming off another, I mean, just another just insane,

55:32

ridiculous loss. We already knew they weren't going

55:34

anywhere this year, but nobody needs that. And

55:36

it did make me think, as Todd

55:38

Gurley, you know, falls into the end zone

55:41

for the go ahead touchdown, that actually

55:43

is the steak through your heart. Somehow

55:45

the Falcons pulled that off. Uh.

55:48

Dan Quinn watching that at home with a bowl

55:50

of ice cream? Uh? Did

55:52

he miss being part of the action or was he just

55:54

feeling free that he wasn't connected to

55:57

the curse of the Falcons? I don't know. Uh.

56:00

And now they traveled to Charlotte to face the

56:02

Panthers. Matt Rules team continues to be competitive

56:04

week after week, but they have lost two in a row.

56:06

Connie, you anchor coverage of

56:09

Thursday Night Football for NFL Network.

56:11

What are you looking forward to here? Alright?

56:13

A couple of things here. I still don't expect

56:16

Christian McCaffrey to play in this game, but they

56:18

haven't ruled him out yet. Um,

56:20

he's pushing to play, and Tuesday they designated

56:22

him for return from i R. So

56:25

more than likely it's just he'll end up

56:27

playing Week nine against the Chiefs,

56:29

but there is still a chance he could

56:31

play in this one. UM. Mike Davis,

56:34

who has been his replacement, really struggled

56:36

this week again or last week against the Saints.

56:38

He's been dealing with an ankle injury of his own. Now

56:41

he's on a short week. UM. When you go back to

56:43

Week five when these two teams played last though,

56:45

Mike Davis had a really nice day. He had a hundred

56:47

and forty nine scrimmage yards in that game.

56:49

But there are a few things that are different UM

56:52

this week compared to Week five when they played

56:54

last. Matt Ryan won't have to deal

56:56

with Kawan Shot or Eto Grossmatos

56:59

in this game. Obviously the Panthers lost short

57:01

for the entire year, and then Grossmatos

57:04

is on i R because of that ankle, and

57:06

Matt Ryan on the other side, he will have Julio

57:09

Jones this time around, which is obviously a big

57:11

deal because I'm not sure this

57:13

Panthers secondary. I think they're gonna

57:15

have a hard time dealing with both Julio Jones

57:18

and Calvin Ridley. Yeah,

57:20

watching Julio last week with those option

57:23

routes where him and Ryan are just trying to read

57:25

the field the same, it's just a reminder.

57:27

It's like, yeah, it helps to have a first ballot

57:29

Hall of Fame still playing, you know, Hall of Famer playing

57:32

like really at the top of your game, because suddenly that

57:34

opens up coverage for Ridley. It is a tough

57:36

matchup for the Panthers. Um

57:38

the Falcons are healthier

57:40

in the back end to a j Terrell has been playing

57:42

pretty aggressively Grady Jared's doing is I'm not saying

57:44

this is a great Falcons team, but they're like the best

57:47

one in five team you've ever seen. They

57:49

they're about three plays away from one and six.

57:52

There are three plays away from being four and three. They

57:54

deserve to be one and six because they find these ways

57:56

to lose. But they're a tough out. I think it will

57:58

be a good game, and I hope Ted, in his only prime

58:00

time game of the year, balls out because he's coming off maybe

58:03

his best game of the year. He's throwing the ball

58:05

so well versus pressure. He really

58:07

reminds me of a young Breeze. He really

58:09

does. I mean, not as good as Breeze, but Drew

58:12

Brees doesn't take that sack leading to the

58:14

sixty five yard field goal. Time. That

58:17

was a tough one. It was interior pressure

58:19

that came on a little quicker than he expected.

58:21

You're you're right, now, you're right, You're right.

58:23

Rule, Actually not even the Rule got

58:25

on him yesterday basically saying he did

58:27

have the opportunity. It was obviously

58:30

water under the bridge, but he played a great

58:32

game overall. I agree with you, Locket

58:34

pocket presence is there. He and

58:36

you know Matt Rule, I think Greg

58:39

basically, when we had Matt Rule on our show,

58:41

Um, you know, I've been really

58:44

waiting and excited to talk to Matt Rule. Greg

58:46

opened the segment up by announcing

58:48

that Dan and I UM had been on a

58:50

campaign flaming Teddy all offseason

58:53

and asked what Matt Rule thought about the other two

58:55

chumps on the show. Um and Matt

58:57

Rule. I mean, the one thing I remember about that was

59:00

his passion and total dedication

59:02

to Teddy Bridgewater, the person, the player, the

59:04

whole thing. And I still remain

59:07

kind of suspect about what Teddy could be. And he's

59:09

been great in this offense, I mean great

59:11

and compared to what I thought he'd be se completion

59:14

percentage. I mean, the

59:16

one thing I feel about the Panthers, and

59:18

we've already been through this what the

59:20

expectations were for where they are, But

59:23

they're good players are playing well, like Robby Anderson

59:25

has used really well. D J. Moore has used

59:28

really well. And I know that you know, the

59:31

defense was really young. They're thirteen and

59:33

points allowed. I mean, they're not a total

59:35

disaster. At the same time, I don't

59:38

love the matchup. I mean they let the Saints go

59:40

twelve or fourteen on third downs and pile

59:42

up four hundred and fifteen yards. And

59:45

the Falcons, I mean, their strength is still

59:47

that they can move the ball, and

59:49

so I I think like it's gonna look to me like

59:51

a lot of other Falcons and Panthers games, which

59:53

is close in the fourth quarter. Um,

59:55

the Panthers don't get blown out. They just

59:58

don't do that. And for reason,

1:00:00

I kind of liked the game. I'd almost want

1:00:02

to go lock up the Panthers here, but we that

1:00:04

doesn't really jive with our you

1:00:09

can that I got other

1:00:11

ideas because it's also one of those games. It's NFC

1:00:13

South, be team between two wacky teams.

1:00:15

I don't need that drama that night. And I

1:00:17

will say this because obviously there is still, even

1:00:20

in the midst of a two games skid, an

1:00:22

ongoing love affair with the Panthers

1:00:24

on this pot and that's good. I'm

1:00:27

not a part of it, but I respect your

1:00:29

guys admiration for this team.

1:00:31

Better win a ball game on Thursday night.

1:00:34

You better because guess what after that?

1:00:36

You're at Kansas City home against Bucks

1:00:39

and that's you know, that happy story

1:00:41

about them being a playoff team.

1:00:44

I mean, they're not going to the playoffs in this

1:00:46

game or not. You can be staring at three and seven

1:00:48

if you don't find a way to win this game, is what I'm saying.

1:00:50

Colleen. Now, you,

1:00:53

of course, in one of your roles as

1:00:55

the anchor of the NFL Network coverage on Thursday night

1:00:57

football, is you get to interview real

1:01:00

anyone you want. Basically, does I understand,

1:01:02

I don't do. Does anybody ever turned down the

1:01:04

opportunity to be the interview focus

1:01:06

on NFL Network? Do you do they have that opportunity

1:01:09

or how does that work? It

1:01:11

has happened? Who's who's turned you down?

1:01:13

Let's name names? Oh

1:01:15

my god? Well, all right,

1:01:17

I won't How about the entire Saints

1:01:19

team? About six seven years

1:01:21

ago there was there was some you

1:01:25

know but basically

1:01:28

gets first DIBs on whoever

1:01:31

the interview is. And then sometimes guys

1:01:33

will double dip just to like pull the curtain back. Let

1:01:35

you guys know how it goes down. Uh.

1:01:37

And then sometimes guys can refuse

1:01:39

to do the double dips, So then we have to go with the second

1:01:41

choice. Uh. Interesting, Okay,

1:01:43

So let's say, uh, Fox,

1:01:46

something horrendous happens to Fox gets

1:01:49

swallowed up in a black hole. You get the

1:01:51

first option for anybody

1:01:53

you want. Who who would you love to be

1:01:55

interviewing Thursday night? Teddy

1:01:59

like it? Like abriage water, It's

1:02:01

a good one. Can I want a

1:02:03

credit to Carson Wentz by the way, who doubled

1:02:05

dipped last week? I noticed so now that

1:02:07

I didn't know that that was how you know it all it all

1:02:09

works there, but I saw that he doubled when

1:02:13

well, no, I would say, speaking of Fox like I

1:02:16

mean Troy Aikman is one of my favorite players

1:02:18

growing up, and I for all the people that knock in

1:02:20

my love is like, do you are you in Troy like pals?

1:02:23

Now? I see you guys like you're interacting online

1:02:25

or on air and just oh my gosh,

1:02:27

we go way back. Listen, we're all just

1:02:29

like we have text change. Are

1:02:31

you text? Have you texted

1:02:33

with? Well, that's what I wanted to know. That's

1:02:37

my part. I'm done, Colleen. I'm not even upset

1:02:39

with you that you cheered from the

1:02:41

stadium bleachers in when

1:02:43

I was concussed with the old bed. Have

1:02:47

you ever spoken to Troy Aikman, not on

1:02:49

live television, like

1:02:52

when we were on the road we would see each other

1:02:54

and like you know, hotel lobbies and things

1:02:56

like that and at the game. Yeah.

1:02:59

Good, but that's pretty much the extent of it.

1:03:02

Alright, good Erica. Are you safe? Yep?

1:03:07

Here I am. That pause made

1:03:09

me one extra second there.

1:03:12

Sorry. I'm

1:03:15

thinking maybe it's time to move away from

1:03:17

the window because of

1:03:19

all the harrowing things that happened on Sunday, And I

1:03:21

know you went through a lot. When I saw that creep

1:03:23

walk across the window, uh

1:03:26

that that gave me the chills and I don't want to have

1:03:28

to see that again. So if you could maybe move maybe

1:03:30

get with a wall separating you. The window

1:03:32

just feels an extra layer of security. Never

1:03:34

hurt anybody, it's bad. And

1:03:37

Thor's barking at the door right now, so I'm all like

1:03:39

freaked out, like I'm I'm on the

1:03:42

like there's a reddit post um where someone

1:03:44

screen captured that moment where

1:03:46

the man was seen between you know, outside your

1:03:48

window, and it's like blowing up and a lot

1:03:50

of people are concerned. Yeah, yeah,

1:03:53

let's show that on that we put this show up

1:03:55

on YouTube, right, I'm gonna give you a little

1:03:57

extra work if you could and give us a shot

1:03:59

of that for the viewers. Okay,

1:04:01

Okay, she's like, I'm not going to do that. I'm

1:04:04

just gonna hope in

1:04:07

uh in Two Men and a Baby where you

1:04:09

see like the ghost in the background, yeah

1:04:12

you know, yeah that

1:04:14

was real, by the way. Yeah, and a

1:04:16

lot of people were commenting that you guys didn't

1:04:18

take it as seriously in the

1:04:20

in the moment um, but we all were

1:04:22

sort of finding out in real time what

1:04:24

was going on off

1:04:29

are you guys were very great. We did use

1:04:31

it for entertainment value as we're

1:04:33

getting killed on the subreddit. That's nice. Well,

1:04:35

yeah, well we will do we will. There

1:04:37

are subscriptions. You had

1:04:39

a guest bedroom, like I could come up, like I

1:04:42

can just leave the house like you guys were great.

1:04:44

I also said we didn't cut all that out

1:04:46

of the show because once it felt like it became

1:04:48

a serious situation. We didn't want to make

1:04:51

light of it. But you were like, no, I need I need the

1:04:53

clicks, I need the

1:04:55

there's that's what happened

1:04:57

either. Now I didn't see it happen, but

1:05:00

what I picture is exactly what I'm

1:05:02

looking at it Dan screen right now, um

1:05:05

with the scarecrow whatever

1:05:07

villain behind him. So is

1:05:09

that sort of what it was like? It

1:05:12

was like, here, give

1:05:17

me a full screen conn look

1:05:20

at that. So this is basically what happened.

1:05:24

That's the real sound. This is not added.

1:05:29

Can Possy come come and live with me? Come

1:05:32

just come to the ranch. I'm coming.

1:05:34

I'm all the day because this this is

1:05:37

uh, this was too close for comfort.

1:05:39

All right, We'll be back on Thursday,

1:05:41

uh to preview all the rest of the games

1:05:44

in week eight, And a reminder, um

1:05:46

Thursday night, while Connie is doing

1:05:48

her job on the network, I believe

1:05:50

Greg and I will be handling recap duties

1:05:53

of the NFC South showdown

1:05:56

we just talked about. Uh so, thank

1:05:58

you and Connie, thank you as always you

1:06:00

always bring just the ray of sunlight too.

1:06:04

The show. That wasn't my dog. That's

1:06:08

the other thing. She got a dog named Thor. A's

1:06:10

seven pounds. How about we get a German

1:06:12

shepherd in that apart of it, and now

1:06:14

you actually have protection and not a But

1:06:16

why is he barking like I'm

1:06:18

just freaked out. You can just borrow Dasher,

1:06:21

but you'll have to not have Thor Thereasher

1:06:24

will take care of Thor as well. Okay, stay stay

1:06:27

safe, Ricky, Connie,

1:06:29

good luck on this.

1:06:32

Dan handsOn signing off for Quiet Storm,

1:06:35

uh the Old Boss, Rickie Hollywood,

1:06:37

the Tiny Box and Thor

1:06:39

and Sam until

1:06:42

Ursday