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Be Around the NFL Podcast,

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We'll never actually buy a

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sandwich. Well, welcome

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to another edition of You Around the NFL Podcast.

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My name is Dan Hansas, and I've joined the room

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filled with heroes Mark

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Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg

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Rosenhal. What is up, boys, Hey Dan?

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We've made it. We've made it. We've

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made it out of the wilderness. Goodbye.

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Goodbye combine and

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mock drafts and O t

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A practice runs, rundowns

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and training camp and

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hard knocks stories and

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preseason games and

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even surprise retirements. All that

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gone, Mark, and now plug

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in, baby, because we are locked

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and loaded for another year. Like

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we've escaped something uh

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rugged into something commer I mean, we've

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were walking right into like

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seventy five armored weapons tanks

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fired at us, with news coming from forty five different

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places where there was no news. I'm

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separating what doesn't

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matter to kind of matters interesting

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blah blah blah to this is what it's

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about football that counts. I mean, I

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I'm on board, I get it. I'm just you're acting

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like we've down shifted the way you opened

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your we

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have up shifted into utter chaos

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and uh you know, well, I'll talk

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to you if you are have any hopes of a

1:33

personal relationship with any of us, see

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you in March. We have traded mind numbing

1:37

holdouts for the possibility

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of two minutes drill magic. Come on, come

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on, baby, like when we I said, I'm on board,

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But I just I think you opened it as if we are

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walking into some sort of calm schedule.

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It's more that it's a reminder to the listeners

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next April June, when we're

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really pumping up how

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great our next show is going to be. It's all nonsense.

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It's better in the season. You know. Hey,

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we make we make our money in the off season.

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That's when it's tough. Hey, those guys they're a little loosera.

2:10

They have fun in the off season. It's just like crazy

2:12

shows. Okay, yeah, that's all. That's all fine. We

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appreciate that our listenership somehow doesn't

2:16

go down. I mean, you guys are amazing, uh

2:19

in the off season. But let's be real, Well,

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I don't think I agree with that either. I think you prefer,

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like Greg prefers, to go through the drill of

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the game previews and the game reviews.

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But in terms of the show taking on

2:30

a new different form. I like the off season

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shows too, of course I do. Of

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course they do. We all enjoy our lives in the office.

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Hey, if I get to sit in this room and talk with

2:39

my friends, all we're looking at you. Hey, they

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pay me for this, and don't try

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to paint me as someone who's like, oh, I don't.

2:45

I'm not. I'm totally excited about the season,

2:47

but I'm not gonna have it. I'm

2:50

not gonna have it put out there with some tonal

2:52

thing that we're everything now is, you know, pech

2:54

keen. We're walking into utter chaos, utter

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chaos. Right the time this show comes out,

2:59

half the things we discussed will have changed fundamentally.

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We better get to go and then way

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to sell it, Like three hours from now, what's

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gonna to tune in to next year's

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offseason episodes where we're trying to find the replacement

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for Mark Scessler. This

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is getting awful, alright,

3:20

Well, I hope everybody had a nice weekend Labor Day

3:22

weekend and uh whoa

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A lot happened. So that's what today shows

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out. It is our first this is real football.

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Week one begins Thursday Night, Bears

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hosting the Packers at

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Soldier Field and will end today's

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episode by previewing that game.

3:40

Yes, we are in the mix now and this will

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be our schedule uh going

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forward, because there is no Twitter

3:47

show quote unquote this season.

3:49

We are back to Tuesday shows,

3:51

which we're all happy about. Uh, it's

3:53

our preferred schedule. So you're gonna get the Sunday night

3:55

flagship show. We break down all the

3:57

games Tuesday, Uh, the show

3:59

that will kept Monday Night Football, and then have

4:01

some fun looking ahead to the next week

4:04

Thursday, the preview episode for

4:06

the week to come, and again and

4:08

again and again, get up and do it again

4:11

in those Thursday and Sunday shows will be stamed

4:14

will be who knows. I think we might we have

4:16

an idea for a special um

4:19

way to handle Thursday Night football this Thursday

4:21

and maybe moving forward. So we'll let our listeners

4:23

find out. Then I'd like to find out. We

4:26

have to talk about that, all right, What are you excited? I

4:29

am. I'm excited. You're

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wearing an NFL league sweatshirt. It makes me think

4:33

you're all the way in Well you know, no, that's not. It's

4:36

just something to wear. But like you

4:39

it's the rhythm of the season. Now

4:41

there's a pattern, there's a rhythm there. It's sort

4:43

of like you know what bear goes, bears go

4:46

through where you have hibernation in the off season. Now we

4:48

got to track down the large animals and killed him for

4:50

food. We we hybernate. We went to the

4:52

beach this weekend. You you went to your

4:54

you know, lovely wife, to the league union. You know,

4:56

we all tried to get one last, one, last

4:59

little thing. And now we go. All right, let's get

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to it. Let's start with

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a whole Messa news. So,

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Ricky, are you ready, Ricky Hollywood? Oh

5:08

yeah, excited, really excited. Yeah,

5:10

finally you're in. Oh yeah, all the

5:12

way. Give me a Patriots record this season?

5:15

Um no,

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not hold

5:19

on well that that does that

5:21

mean? Did they not play a game today? Dot to this the plane

5:24

go down after the NFC Championship they haven't played

5:26

the requisite amount of games. That's not true.

5:29

Seventeen and one means you went undefeated and

5:31

then lost in the championship round. That's

5:33

the only way they know. You lose like one up top,

5:36

but then you would have but then then the season sorry,

5:38

well part

5:44

of you guys just will

5:46

not stop for this audible thing. It's unbelievable.

5:49

What do you what do you guys want me to say? It's

5:51

comical to me, But you're

5:55

in the NFL now, Son, Get

5:57

ready because people are gonna be asking questions

5:59

about you and Aaron Rodgers until

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we see that you guys can ball

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out together. We'll get back to the Packers

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later, but let's start with the trades that

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shook the NFL over the weekend and

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happened to surround UH Texans

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team that has become a lightning ride

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of controversy in the studio. So let's dig in.

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The Texans had backed themselves

6:21

into a corner, uh with the Jendeveon

6:24

Clowney situation. We all know that. Uh.

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They apparently felt

6:28

they had to move on, so they did. NFL

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networking satura Ian rap report reported

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Saturday that the Seahawks traded

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for UH Jenevion

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Clowney in exchange for a third round pick, linebacker

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Jacob Martin and pass rusher

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and mocks boy Barkivas Mingo.

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Uh. The trade later confirmed.

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The Texans agreed to pay seven million

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toward Clowney salary to complete

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the trade. UM and

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the Seahawks agreed not to franchise Tag

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Clowney a second time next year, which

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is what Clowney had some more freedom,

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Um, West will start with you here.

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The Seahawks side of it, we'll

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get to, but I want to start with the text inside

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of it. Uh, we knew they didn't have a lot

7:12

of leverage. Did you think they have this little leverage?

7:15

Well? Yeah, I think it's a sign of

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of bad decision making when you leave yourself

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with unappetizing

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options and then select the

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most unappetizing option, which is what

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the Texans did with Clowney. And my read

7:28

on this is that Brian Gaine is gone

7:31

because he and Bill O'Brien butted heads over

7:33

paying Jadevan Clowney. We've heard that

7:36

Bill O'Brien wants to pay the offense,

7:38

take the resources from the defense, protect

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his quarterback in any way he can, and

7:43

make sure this is an offense guided team

7:45

going forward. Offense oriented.

7:48

Um. And it's to me

7:51

to you know, boxing and analysts and

7:53

NFL networks Greg Rosenthal are fond of

7:55

saying that styles make fights. And

7:58

you look at the a f C South now and the Texans

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are in Coults are like diametrically

8:03

opposed in philosophy and style

8:05

and everything else. The Texans are

8:07

built around their franchise quarterback. If

8:09

he goes down, they are banged. They

8:12

have mortgaged the future severely. They

8:14

have holes all over their roster. They are

8:16

threadbare on their roster. The

8:19

Colts are the exact opposite. They have stability

8:21

up top leadership. If

8:24

their quarterback doesn't make it, they might be able to

8:26

throw a backup quarterback in there and still

8:28

survive. They are deep on both

8:30

sides of the ball. They have a plan, they're sticking

8:32

to it, and they are stable all around

8:35

the Texans. This is like to me

8:37

the plot from Armageddon Bill.

8:40

I didn't see that film. Bill O'Brien

8:43

asteroids. He has left himself

8:45

with the only option is I've got to stop this asteroid.

8:48

So he's gonna make the season more fun for

8:50

Texans fans. But now Texans

8:52

fans are all wrapped up in Bill O'Brien's future,

8:55

not the organizations. Who's got the animal

8:57

crackers on Bill O'Brien's belly. To

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Shawn Watson, sex, I

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don't even know what that means. You

9:04

were, I

9:07

mean, I don't think I missed much this like Bill

9:09

O'Brien did what most coaches

9:12

on the hot seat would do, I think if they got

9:14

a chance, and which is make their team better this

9:16

year. And I and it was a

9:19

disastrous um value

9:21

that he got for Clowney. I mean, I think that a year

9:24

of Clowney is worth more than

9:27

what they got, and just seeing what happens,

9:29

there's something more to it then, right because with the

9:31

fact that well

9:35

that that's the thing that was crazy, that they paid

9:37

him to go away, and it showed there was no market

9:40

for Clowney, which is also interesting.

9:42

I did cease you know, reports that the Eagles

9:45

were in it at the last minute, and there

9:47

was some talk. I

9:49

think you can safely assume the Eagles

9:51

offered less that other teams weren't offering more,

9:53

which is interesting. There is the larger question

9:56

in terms of building offense defense of

9:58

whether Clowney was the guy

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that is worth that contract.

10:03

I think that's a fair question. But all the

10:06

all the intrigue and all the palace

10:08

upheaval and the fact that he didn't trade him

10:11

sooner is the reason why they got nothing for him,

10:13

because you could have gotten a ton for him back

10:15

in February and March. We've been over

10:17

that and it it just doesn't make

10:19

any sense what they got back for. They

10:21

basically just gave away. Let's hear from

10:23

Bill O'Brien, who obviously everybody wants to know why,

10:26

uh things played out the way they did.

10:29

That they could have planned better, that they could have made

10:31

they could add more leverage, and they lost all that leverage

10:34

based on the timing. Let's hear how Brian

10:36

explained himself. There were a lot of talks

10:38

that took place. Um, there

10:40

were there were contract proposals between

10:44

you know, the player and us that we just

10:46

couldn't uh come to an agreement

10:48

on, you know, relative to the franchise tag.

10:50

You know, the spirit of the franchise tag is to try to

10:53

um, you know, give yourself

10:55

more time to to possibly come to an agreement

10:58

on a long term contract. We couldn't come to that agreement.

11:01

Um. We had several discussions with many teams

11:03

over many months, and we feel

11:05

like we made the best decision for the team.

11:08

Well, so we what is we

11:10

in Houston right now? We made

11:12

the best decision. Bill O'Brien as

11:15

more power than most coaches in the league right

11:17

now, and is showing point

11:19

by point why you need a check and balance

11:21

system inside of any NFL organization,

11:23

Because it's not just this. We'll get to the other move they

11:26

made as well, where you're essentially

11:28

openly being fleeced to some degree. I can

11:30

enjoy Bill O'Brien's um ability

11:33

to in the course of twenty four hours become

11:35

one of the most radioactive figures in

11:37

the NFL. That doesn't happen if you don't have

11:39

charisma in power and you don't know how to wield

11:41

it. But at the same time, I think

11:44

that you look at the long term Texas fans can

11:46

if you really want to have rose color glasses,

11:48

you can point to what you added in terms

11:50

of players and what has essentially become a

11:52

go for broke gear for Bill O'Brien.

11:54

He's got it find a way over the next sixteen regular

11:57

season games to prove us all wrong about

11:59

what we're saying about the way the team is run right

12:01

now. But unless you are going to

12:03

go rogue for the next four or five years

12:05

with Obrell bill O'Brien playing coach slash

12:08

GM while having only coach vision

12:10

on how to run a team which is getting too personal

12:13

issues with Jadeveon Clowne and other players,

12:15

and have it effect his long term stance

12:18

on the team. What happens to his contract? You move

12:20

on from the guy, and how do you, if you

12:22

choose to have a powerful front

12:24

office voice, lure someone in at this

12:26

point after you've mortgaged insane

12:28

amounts of draft capital for the future.

12:31

We we know that, how do you do that? We

12:33

we know that the Texans made themselves weaker

12:35

in the future because they gave away the top

12:37

of their draft the next couple of years. The question

12:40

to me, and the second part of this, of course

12:42

trade, is that the Texans sent two

12:44

first round picks plus the plus a second rounder

12:46

to the Dolphins. They get back left tackle

12:49

Laramie Tons We've been talking about for months on the show

12:51

what an eye saw or the blindside was for

12:53

them, while tounsil is one of the better guys in the league

12:56

at that position, and wide receiver Kenny

12:58

Stills, who gives some death depth than a guy that

13:00

never misses action. The question

13:03

Wes is we know

13:05

they're worse than the long term. Are

13:07

they better today than

13:09

they were Friday? Because if

13:12

they're not, and we'll see a play out starting

13:14

this weekend. If they're not, it's Bill

13:16

O'Brien is not only going to look

13:19

really bad, he's gonna get fired because

13:21

he is in the crosshairs. I think right now, after

13:23

these deals, it's a fun it's a fun deal

13:25

to analyze because as an impartial

13:27

observer who doesn't have to root for the Texans

13:29

in the future, I can say this.

13:32

This makes my view, you know, the Texans much

13:34

more fun this year. It'll be more exciting, They'll be

13:36

more entertaining. Nobody can say what's

13:38

going to happen in that division this year with no Andrew

13:40

luck Um. Maybe the Titans are

13:42

the best team in division. Maybe the Jaguars are. You

13:44

don't know who's the best team in the division. I

13:46

think the Texans are kidding themselves a little bit

13:48

about their their holes that

13:51

they had such an easy schedule last year. They

13:53

think they're a little bit better than they are. They're kidding

13:55

themselves a little bit, but they could easily

13:57

take this division. Nobody knows what I think they're better.

14:00

I mean, i'd rather have Laramie Tunsil, Kenny

14:02

Stills, Jacob Martin might contribute.

14:05

Uh then in Jadevan

14:07

Clowney. I'd rather have those three guys in Jadevan

14:09

Clowney. Now you lost all those picks and

14:12

the value when Tunsil isn't

14:14

even signed long term. It

14:16

was a little wild, but man, it's hard to get a left

14:18

tackle like. To me, that trade was far

14:21

less objectionable than the Clowney

14:23

trade. You can pick nits over

14:25

that they gave up too much, and I

14:27

mean they gave up a lot, like you know, but

14:30

there if they end up signing Laramie Tons

14:32

a long term and he's a top ten left tackle. Many

14:34

people have pointed out they left themselves with

14:36

so little leverage that you never even see this

14:39

by not signing into an extension when they made the trade.

14:41

And I don't think it's a nit to be concerned

14:43

about what they gave up. I think that you found

14:45

one of the most valuable but they

14:47

have the franchise tag. But then they're

14:49

gonna have to make it in the highest paid tackle one you

14:52

would have to You're gonna have to pay him crazy

14:54

amount of money. You're gonna if if things go right

14:56

with a Shawn Watson, You're gonna have to pay him crazy amount

14:58

of money. And then you have hamst on yourself to

15:00

build around the team with high picks. They

15:02

have so much salary cap space. That's

15:05

one of their not every

15:07

team, they mean, they have one of the most they they

15:09

My point is they should have spent it

15:11

on Clowney, like it never made much sense. But

15:13

salary capt like they can sign ton Soil, they can sign

15:16

Watson. I'm not I wouldn't be that worried about

15:18

that. It's more of the process, and I think it goes back

15:20

to trading Dwyanne Brown. It's funny how

15:23

the ownership group which has changed.

15:25

So it used to be Um, it's

15:27

now cal McNair. It used to

15:29

be Bob McNair. Cal McNair is his

15:31

son, so it's still the same family. But ultimately

15:34

it was a personal thing between Dwayne

15:36

Brown and ownership that

15:38

got Dwayne Brown traded away to

15:41

Seattle and started this whole mess.

15:43

And and they all they got back for Dwayne Brown

15:45

was the second round pick. It turned into two

15:47

years of disastrous protection for Watson

15:50

and then having to give up way too much to tunsl.

15:52

Meanwhile, you're you're giving the Seahawks like another

15:55

like reward for giving away Clowney.

15:57

So it all stems from personal

15:59

stuff, and that's a bad sign. You know, Brian's

16:01

you know in personal stuff too. You hear it when you hear

16:03

like that did. Evan Clowney wasn't necessarily

16:05

the hardest worker in the world. Like you know where that's coming.

16:07

The Texans got hopscotched by the Eagles

16:10

who picked Andre Dillard in the draft, and

16:12

Bill O'Brien has overseen six drafts

16:14

in Houston and they never found a way

16:17

to stock up the line, or to find a tackle or

16:19

each coaching too to me, like you, I

16:21

just I don't know. I can't, I can't. I'm sorry. I know you

16:23

don't mean that it's a nitpick to call giving

16:25

up two first and a second for

16:27

for this player. But I like, to me, the

16:30

Texans are all in on one year and they got a

16:32

lot of issues after that. Now let's say

16:34

that that Tunsil. I

16:36

just mean, what what would appropriate value be for

16:38

Stills in Tonsil? If it was the first

16:41

and second? Yeah, I would say it first

16:43

in a second would have been more than fair. So

16:45

now it's an extra first, like maybe that first

16:47

should have been like a third. I agree

16:49

it was. It's snore. You lure in to help to

16:51

help bolster the organizations. Let's say Tons

16:53

is great. Okay, let's say Stills

16:55

a Stills, but Tunsil is a great left

16:58

tackle. Uh and

17:00

the and the Texans as a result, are

17:02

a team that their first round pick is in the

17:04

twenties the next couple of years. Teams give

17:06

that up all the time in a second if they can get a

17:08

franchise left tackle. I I really

17:10

I thought that this trade salvage

17:12

the weekend a little bit for for Bill

17:15

O'Brien, and I still think they're the best team

17:17

in the n f C South. I don't think they got

17:19

a lot better, and that's why I think Bill O'Brien

17:21

could be in a lot of danger um.

17:23

But I think at the end of the day, they're

17:26

a better team. Maybe not a lot better, but

17:28

they're better. And I think that's enough to win this division.

17:31

Again. They better be better because this because

17:33

two thousand nineteen means a lot more to the

17:35

Texans and it does to other teams. Now, and

17:37

what what trade reminds you of

17:40

a coach taking advantage of a power vacuum

17:43

and ownership. Yeah,

17:46

it's Carson Palmer and huge and

17:48

that was rightfully, and then where what happened to all?

17:52

They probably will It's it's obviously terrible

17:55

process. One of the big questions

17:57

of the trade to me, though, is is Laramie

17:59

Tunsil fine or is he

18:01

gonna be an All Pro left tackle? Now? Brian

18:03

Baldinger loves him, thinks he's

18:05

ready to kind of step into that role. I don't know if

18:07

the Dolphins really saw him that way. It's the top

18:09

five left tackle thus far to his

18:11

career. Like, if you're trading for a guy who's

18:14

gonna make five Pro Bowls, it's a good trade.

18:16

It's the Dolphins think about anything,

18:18

no, and you're gonna have to code you know whatever.

18:20

It is, Like his level of

18:23

play is a big factor, Like

18:26

is he is he even Dwayne Brown? You know what I mean?

18:28

Is he gonna be like Dwayne Brown youth? You

18:30

know? Is he gonna be that level of type of player? And are

18:32

the other four lineman starting next to

18:34

him not gonna be tearing right? It wasn't a final piece

18:36

in the puzzle in Houston's line. By the way, great job by

18:39

this, we gotta get they

18:41

really needed they really needed some help at

18:44

that position. They got a great value. They smelled

18:46

blood in the water John. It's what John Schnyder does.

18:48

Why are they not a playoff team? They? I think that. I mean

18:50

it's the kind of thing that can change their

18:52

past rush, change the front seven, and might

18:54

it was team before

18:57

that. Sure, but we're but we could pick on the queen.

18:59

You can point to the pass rush as a concern

19:01

a couple of months ago. I'm not, and they totally addressed.

19:05

I'm sorry. I know you you

19:07

you're very upset about that because right

19:09

when you got off the corner, they get one of the better

19:11

pass rushers in the league. But the information come

19:13

back. No, I don't. I don't see them as a difference

19:16

making team. I do think Clowney, I've

19:18

loved watching clown I just think he's maybe

19:20

the strongest player in the NFL. And and I think Pete

19:22

Carroll if he's gonna be yeah,

19:24

just like Pures, maybe that the

19:27

strongest guy in the NFL. I think

19:29

Carroll will be able to maximize his talent.

19:32

Yeah. Will. The one last thing I wanted to say about

19:34

the Texans is, you know, we point

19:36

out all the time organizations with an identity. The Ravens

19:39

have an identity. The Steelers have an identity,

19:41

the Patriots do the Texans idea.

19:43

To me, their identity is to be reactive

19:46

instead of proactive. And you still it's

19:48

always to me that Brian Hoyer getting benched at

19:50

halftime in the season opens, this

19:52

is how Bill O'Brien has run the Texans. Will say

19:54

Bill O'Brien, though, is interesting in the NFL

19:57

whenever the when I love anything interesting in the NFL,

19:59

And so I'm not all out on Bill O'Brien

20:01

is someone in my life because I enjoy him. He's a little

20:03

bit of like he's a you need some bad

20:06

not that he's like an evil character, but

20:08

a little bit he's a little bit of like he's

20:10

a little bit of a hell someone. He's

20:12

a bell check guy, like he disciples,

20:15

but he's not like but

20:17

he's the Belichick like Belichick loves

20:19

pointing out how much he loves Matt Patricia

20:22

and who else am I butter

20:25

forget it, you know, Brian Flores and who am I own

20:27

variable? But O'Brien is the one that

20:29

like kind of you could tell rubs it the wrong way. Someone

20:31

on made the comment to me in the league that Bill

20:33

O'Brien is the type of coach that like hates all his

20:35

players, which is kind of a damning, damnit

20:37

comment. That's unfair, that wants eventually

20:39

wants to get rid of. That's just something somebody says. He

20:42

doesn't feel that. I'm sure, but you know what, that's

20:44

it. We had a good conversation about Bill O'Brien. We're gonna

20:46

see out all shakes out by the way Neo fight

20:48

GM Bill O'Brien. You know he could have

20:50

used this weekend. He could have used the app, could

20:53

use the app. Yes, he really needed

20:55

that app. You put it out there. Hey, everybody,

20:57

I am an a f C South general manager.

21:00

Um, I have player X,

21:03

and I'm being offered to journeyman

21:06

linebackers and a third round pick who

21:09

can beat it? And guess what somebody's

21:11

beating that? If them, I

21:13

just think I would imagine he's someone with with ill

21:15

manners in a chat room, Um, who's not fun

21:17

to and and an ugly

21:20

emailer. Well, where's here? Where's the product

21:22

and development team, Danny? This is your I

21:25

are working on it together, and that's

21:27

the hardest thing to do. Here's the technology,

21:29

right, here's a bug in the technology

21:32

the Dolphins. They text back

21:34

and say, well, we'll beat it, and then Clowney

21:36

says, well, I'm not going to Miami. So Seattle

21:39

lucks into Jadevion Clowney because he refuses

21:41

to go to my head. Here's my thing. I think there's

21:43

three teams that come out of the gym up and say

21:45

we got this X y Z hey Jadeveon will give

21:47

you three different choices. But when we'll never

21:49

know because it doesn't exist yet.

21:52

All right, let's move away from

21:55

that drama. Let us move on.

21:57

Let's uh take a look at the Kansas City Chiefs,

22:00

the defending a f C West champions, who

22:03

made a move over the weekend that oh,

22:05

I'm sure Chris Wesley has thoughts about this one

22:07

too. Lashawn McCoy is surprise cut

22:09

by the Buffalo Bills over the weekend. Well surprised

22:11

to me, maybe not you guys. Uh and very

22:14

quickly and and you read

22:16

scoops up his former running back from their days

22:19

together in Philly and adds him to the

22:21

backfield. The backfield, by the way, got a little lighter

22:24

when they moved Carlos Hide to the Texans,

22:26

who gets some depth after that Lamar Miller injury,

22:29

so incomes Shady McCoy. He got

22:31

paid pretty good money to West, which

22:33

makes you think that he's gonna have a role

22:35

in that offense. Offense with Damien

22:38

Williams, who fantasy owners are very upset about

22:40

this. I'm sure that went all in on Damien.

22:42

Anyway, your thoughts was, I'm gonna imagine you

22:44

don't think this is a move that's gonna

22:46

make a big impact in Kansas City, and I

22:48

imagine I'm going to disagree with you. Lets see what you got. It's

22:51

gonna tell us a lot about situation in the NFL

22:53

that he goes. Shady goes from

22:55

maybe the worst running back situation in two

22:57

thousand eighteen to the best running backs

22:59

situation in the league in two thousand nineteen.

23:02

Uh. Last year, the

23:05

Bills, seven of the offensive

23:07

lineman they brought into the season and on the practice

23:09

squad are currently unemployed. This

23:11

year they kept ten. They

23:13

lost Adrian Waddle to injury reserve,

23:16

and they traded two guys, so they might have had thirteen

23:18

NFL caliber offensive lineman, which is so

23:21

different from last year. So to

23:23

me, I can I can go

23:25

with Greg's point that throw out the three point two yards

23:27

per carry. That's not reflectively who Lashawn McCoy

23:29

is. I still thought that he was outplayed by

23:31

his backups at time last year. He was

23:33

a step slower. He's a guy who needs

23:36

to be one on one in space to make people

23:38

miss. And sometimes

23:40

he's not giving himself that opportunity to go one

23:42

on one in space because he's going down

23:44

easier and he's not going for the big play as much.

23:47

He doesn't have that speed anymore. So I

23:49

think he can be successful for the Chiefs because

23:52

the spacing in their offense is unlike anyone

23:54

else. And Andy Reid has proven for twenty

23:56

years he knows how to use running backs as well as anyone.

23:58

They're deep, I mean, but a week ago, two weeks ago, we're

24:00

wondering if Darwin Thompson was gonna steal carries

24:03

away from Damien Williams. And now you throw

24:05

in Shady, and you know, if the

24:07

preseason does have a value, you can

24:09

look at running backs and see if they look fresh or

24:11

not. And I thought that Shady looked pretty fresh

24:13

in the last couple of weeks, and they probably would have kept him

24:15

if they didn't have the rookie blow up Devin So, yeah, he

24:17

was paid six million dollars, and Frank

24:20

Gore looked like Frank Gore does

24:22

and Devin s Singletary look great, So

24:24

why why pay Shady McCoy six million dollars?

24:27

It didn't make sense for the Bills. He does make

24:29

sense for the Chiefs if he stays healthy. I

24:31

thought he looked good early in the season. He was really

24:33

he heard his hamstring in December didn't look

24:36

good. Then if he has a bad offensive

24:38

line, he's got a freelance too much. But

24:40

in Kansas City, I think it can make plays.

24:42

And I'm a small person. I mean, like literally, if

24:45

you meet me, you'll know how small

24:47

I am. But I'm also small like

24:49

emotionally that I enjoyed,

24:52

I did enjoy on some level. Every

24:54

every fantasy person complaining like,

24:57

oh my gosh, like this ruin, like

24:59

this ruined my life, and and

25:01

uh like the Rotor World blurb essentially

25:03

dismissed McCoy's chances of even

25:06

like being a factor just because they had hyped

25:08

up Damian Williams,

25:09

Why you don't

25:11

invest too much in like half wows

25:13

he players like players that aren't. I

25:16

just mean players that aren't as talented as

25:18

the players getting drafted behind them in fantasy. It's

25:20

like that's what happens to Damian Williams sometimes

25:22

as they bring another people. I trust Andy Reid

25:24

just about more than anyone else when it comes

25:26

to looking at talent and being able to know

25:28

who to bring in, who to cut ties with. Uh.

25:31

He said, there are not a lot of thirty one thirty

25:33

one year old running backs running around out there,

25:35

but he still has the great feet and the vision.

25:37

And then McCoy he kept it real, he

25:40

kept the reel without really playing the blame game.

25:42

Maybe you guys read it otherwise, but he

25:44

said, I mean that's

25:47

three Pro bowlers in the line, and then we had guys

25:49

that kind of fill them in at the last

25:51

minute, you know, which

25:54

give him credit. They did good to the

25:56

best abilities, you know, But a

25:59

young quarterback to me, had a lot of corpse coming in and out

26:01

the games from injuries, different

26:03

things like that. We have part three the four quarterback

26:05

starters, you know. So that was a tough

26:08

year mentally, physically was definitely

26:10

tough. So he's saying, I'm not washed

26:12

up. I was just in a terrible situation and

26:14

I just think this is all trending a

26:17

crank back the clock scenario for McCoy.

26:19

I always thought that thought if he ever ended

26:21

up in Indianapolis, which was speculated for a while

26:24

over the last year or so, that he would have another would

26:26

he would have one more nice run in him. And

26:28

I think that's what's gonna happen in Casey, which is scary

26:31

when you think about that Chief's offense.

26:33

What if he does crank back the clock west

26:36

and has a nice season, the

26:38

Chiefs are gonna be impossible to stop. I mean,

26:40

they're gonna be impossible to stop with or without

26:43

two thousand fourteen Lashawn McCoy.

26:45

I mean, I I don't expect that guy to show up for

26:47

them, but this offense is gonna

26:49

be good no matter who's running the They're also gonna

26:51

have to be good because of the defense. All right, let's

26:53

keep moving, gentlemen. UM,

26:55

here's a story around the Cowboys that

26:58

might be dated, as you know when

27:00

you listen to us, but we want to plug

27:02

in here on the Ezekiel Elliott Cowboys

27:04

situation. ESPN reported

27:06

that the two sides are quote very close

27:08

to an agreement on a deal that would end

27:10

the star running backs hold out. There was a report

27:13

out earlier today Tuesday,

27:15

that Zeke was on a plane and headed back to Dallas,

27:17

which certainly seems to be trending. And

27:19

it's all trending in the um direction

27:22

of Elliott being on the field for

27:25

the season opener against the Giants on

27:27

Sunday. And uh also,

27:30

like all Collins, one of the important members of that

27:32

offensive line, signs a five year extension.

27:35

So if I'm a Cowboys fan, I'm feeling good

27:37

right now because I was very

27:39

I would be very nervous before today,

27:41

but now it looks like things are all gonna line

27:43

up. We'll find out for sure, but the Cowboys

27:46

are getting close with Zeke. I

27:48

mean, whether or not we are fully

27:50

updated on the news. When people listen to this, the distinct

27:53

tone shift is that it went from acrimonious

27:56

and ugly to Zeke flying

27:58

from Cabo back to Dalla Us and things have taken

28:01

a big step in the right direction. And

28:03

I just look at the Dallas team though, you know they're

28:05

talking about six years ninety million,

28:08

which you know, if he's a still great

28:10

that's a report. If he's still a great player four years

28:12

now, that looks like a great contract, probably for the Cowboys

28:14

to some degree. But this is not to Marco Murray

28:16

anymore, where maybe you use them for another

28:19

season or two and then decide to move on. You're

28:21

now attached to him at least four more than

28:23

you know a year or two, and you have to find

28:25

a way to managees carries to

28:27

some degree. And I think the Tony Pollard, the rise

28:29

of Tony Pollard is a very positive

28:31

step for Dallas as well. He's the best

28:33

player on the team. I think that's why he's gonna get

28:35

paid. And I think we should probably start thinking

28:38

about holdouts a little bit differently. If

28:40

nobody's gonna play their startings and starters in the preseason

28:42

anyway, why does it matter if these guys it's all of camp.

28:45

This is the week to get all the stunt. So many players

28:47

just miss all of camp. They

28:50

show up for a week one. It almost

28:52

seemed like the Cowboys were trolling like

28:54

their fans at some point, like keep signing these

28:56

other players other than but these

28:58

two deals are worth mentioning just that

29:01

Jalen Smith and Lao Collins, those

29:03

are very team friendly deals.

29:05

I mean, they got a starting right tackle for

29:08

ten million dollars a year for the next five years.

29:10

I mean, look at these numbers. Two, it's gonna be

29:12

like four point two million next year and then

29:14

nine million in two thousand and

29:16

so that's that's a good job by their front office. In

29:19

other running back holdout news,

29:22

Melvin Gordon has been given permission

29:24

to seek a trade from the Chargers. L

29:27

A has given him that opportunity.

29:29

We'll see if that leads to anything. Rap she'd

29:31

had the report on that the running back has been away from

29:33

the team all summer as he seeks an extension

29:36

worth more than ten million per year. Uh

29:38

fifth year running backs set to make five and a half

29:40

million in twenty nineteen. We

29:43

you know, we've been talking about this since is the very beginning

29:46

that this didn't feel like a great set up for Melvin

29:48

Gordon in terms of negotiations and

29:50

the Chargers, they're just seemed that

29:52

they continue to roll out like, hey, do whatever

29:54

you want, buddy, We're fine, We're gonna keep rolling.

29:57

And I don't think this ends with Melvin Gordon signing

29:59

a beefy contract extension with the Chargers

30:01

anyway. Well, they they essentially an ounce

30:03

I mean they told Melvin Gordon they're not gonna

30:05

negotiate his contract anymore, which

30:08

is a pretty big hammer drop, uh

30:10

to let out there that not only

30:12

are you know, we're not giving you the money

30:14

we want, let's we're not even gonna talk because it's obviously

30:17

not gonna happen, and go ahead, try

30:19

to get your terms with another team. We

30:21

don't think you can do it. It's not a great

30:24

year to be a running back trying to force a

30:26

trade somewhere else, because if you look at the

30:28

running back rooms around around the Leak, it's kind of

30:30

like quarterback. Most teams feel pretty

30:32

good about where they're at. And for everyone saying

30:34

that the clowney situation is a new

30:36

day for players to simply, you know, out

30:39

of complete self interest and self determination,

30:41

basically outline your own career and hold

30:44

out till you get what you want. This is the other side

30:46

of the coin because if they don't need you, you suddenly

30:48

what what who's gonna bring? Maybe there's an injury

30:50

in week one and someone needs Melvin Gordon

30:53

and some sort of trade is outlined. It's not

30:55

because this kind of money that he wants is going to

30:57

be coming next it's not like he's making the minimum.

31:00

This is he's getting over five million

31:02

this year, right, which is I think it's

31:04

more than half of the money that he made in the first

31:07

four years combined, which you would think would be rather

31:09

significant that he's gonna want that money

31:11

sooner than later. Erica, can you get

31:13

Melvin Gordon on the phone? I think maybe we

31:15

should try to talk to him. It

31:17

would be hoof that we did.

31:19

We have him on the show once. We

31:22

may have. Doesn't he have to be back by week

31:24

ten? Anyway? To get his he will have to

31:26

show up at He's in a different situation than

31:28

Leban was last year. He has to show up to

31:31

a crew. I think Clowney and Kirk

31:33

Cousins pointed out that players

31:35

under a franchise tag do have

31:37

a little bit of power, you know, if you want to

31:39

look at the player of empowerment

31:42

at least trickling into the NFL compared

31:44

to the NBA. Guys on tags can do that.

31:46

And I also think that that the whole tag situation

31:48

I just smell is gonna

31:51

change in some way with the next bargain.

31:53

He's in that Uber trying to find that one uber

31:56

driver of that that didn't know who he was. Now

31:58

maybe it's all about maybe that's where it all started,

32:01

like he was upset that he wasn't recognized, and

32:03

now that's just all dictating his franchise,

32:05

his contract demands. Let's move

32:07

on. The Colts in a post Andrew

32:09

luck world are doing some business

32:12

at the quarterback position. Uh. They

32:14

hand Jacoby Brissette, the team's

32:16

new starting quarterback, a new They rip

32:18

up his old deal, give him a two year, thirty million

32:20

dollar contract. Uh.

32:22

Brissette was entering the fourth and final year

32:24

of his rookie contract and was set to earn two million

32:27

in nineteen. Now he's under

32:29

contract for the next two years. And

32:31

then they make a decision to add

32:34

a new backup to the room, and they get Brian Hoyer,

32:36

who couldn't couldn't hold on with the

32:38

Pats, but that doesn't stop him

32:40

from getting a three or twelve million dollar deal

32:42

with the Colts UH to be their number

32:45

two thirty three years old. He's bounced

32:47

all over the place, Hoyer, and that is pretty

32:49

good money for both gentlemen. I want

32:51

to say, Greg, I'm

32:54

gonna and we're gonna get to my one of my props

32:56

which doesn't look like it's a good position right now. But

32:59

does it feel it all to you that

33:02

the cults, in this time of

33:05

great trauma around the organization

33:07

that are trying, they're they're almost trying to pay their way

33:09

back to some type of quarterback tranquility

33:12

after the bombshell of Angel Luxe retirement.

33:15

I was surprised by the

33:17

amount that Brissette got. It's a very

33:21

on on some level, laudable

33:23

for the Colts to not just try to have

33:26

him play under that salary.

33:28

Then again, they get something out of it too, which

33:30

is that if he is good, it's under contract

33:32

next year at a very low salary.

33:35

So it seems it seemed like bad if

33:38

he's bad, they I was just looking

33:40

for it. They haven't really shown the details

33:42

of how the money's spread out. Twenty millions guaranteed.

33:44

If I had to guess, you know, they can get out

33:46

of it. Basically, I mean, they'll they'll eat a little

33:48

bit of cap a little bit

33:50

of cap space if he's bad. And they were

33:53

still able to get nick fools after they made the mistake

33:55

of paying bad. They

33:57

have fifty million dollars. They have more cap space

33:59

than just about anyone so they can just eat it. It

34:01

was telling to me that Hoyer got nine million dollars

34:04

guaranteed, which is a lot.

34:06

Was surprising when I think it was to keep him

34:08

away from the Patriots. So the Patriots wanted to bring

34:10

him back. He didn't necessary

34:12

always up in everybody's head.

34:15

Well, they really did want to bring him back. And

34:17

and I think for him to move his family and decide

34:19

to do that, Hey, I'm not going to turn down that

34:21

this kind of man, and Dan, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

34:24

be too worried about your prop bet yet. And

34:26

you mentioned what the Chad Kelly.

34:31

There was a factor here because you your thing

34:33

was that Chad Kelly would see was it for me? Just

34:36

start starts? It starts,

34:39

okay, starts however, four starts. But

34:41

we have a listener because our listeners are plugged

34:44

in. A listener tweeted

34:46

to us under the handle Dusty Bottoms,

34:49

and he said, here are his words. I'm

34:51

going to pull back the veil for you guys. With

34:54

Chad Kelly and the Cults job. Now this

34:56

is pre Brian Hoyer, but still my

34:58

childhood teammate is now the offensive coordinator

35:01

for the Colts Nick Sirianni, and as a

35:03

child, as a young football player, he had posters

35:05

of Jim Kelly all over the place. He

35:07

is a huge Jim Kelly fan.

35:10

And I'm going to read from that that there is something

35:12

that's gonna happen here. He is not out on Chat.

35:14

He is not out on our boy Chad Kelly,

35:18

who's Kelly? And I'm not given up on

35:20

Dance Prett, who in this room honestly

35:22

believes Brian Hoyer is a better quarterback

35:24

than Swag Kelly. I don't, I do not.

35:27

You know, Swag still on the roster, not

35:30

officially because he's suspended, but yeah, he'll be their third

35:32

quarter well he returned and be their third carter. Yes,

35:35

I believe. I think there is some reasonable

35:37

concern about what Chad Kelly gets up

35:39

to in his time off, and so you've got the very

35:42

milk toast Brian Hoyer to sort

35:44

of just plug in. I'm

35:46

totally screwed because of the money involved

35:48

here, because how is I supposed to know

35:50

the culture gonna panic and pay Jacoby Brissette

35:52

like he's an established starting quarterback

35:55

and then turn around and give out the best backup

35:57

quarterback money in the league just about in

35:59

the right now. On the show, they might bring in a back

36:02

you did, and that's fine, and I'm proud of you for that.

36:04

But I'm just saying, like, the

36:06

only way now that I have any

36:08

shot, and I won't do it

36:11

is if one of these guys gets injured

36:13

and then the other guy stinks that's the only

36:15

shot I get a four star. Yeah, but this could be

36:17

your episode of a football life. It starts,

36:20

it's such bleak territory, but you

36:22

always had some idea of what would happen,

36:24

right, Like all of us, almost all of

36:26

our props will lose three sandwiches

36:29

on but we won't remember like my Dalvin

36:31

Cook one, but we'll remember well that that was.

36:33

That was the other thing I was gonna say. It's kind of like when

36:35

you're in Vegas and you're playing

36:37

blackjack with your buddies and you get you

36:40

get beat. After you play about an hour, you have a great

36:42

time, you end up down about a hundred bucks, and

36:44

then you say to yourself, oh, well, you know

36:46

that you basically paid to have fun with your friends

36:48

sitting at the table. It's already paid

36:50

for the sandwiches because we had a nice conversation about

36:52

swag. That's fine. Everything else is just

36:55

icing on top. Sometimes legend legends

36:57

are burnished by what could have been. I mean,

37:00

come on, bo Jackson. People love him because

37:02

what could have been are because because of what he actually

37:04

did. Absolutely, moving

37:07

on, Trent Williams

37:09

another hold out. He is

37:11

not a lost cause in Washington. The

37:14

former Redskin, former Redskins

37:16

defensive D'Angelo Hall, an ex teammate

37:18

of Williams cornerback. Uh

37:20

what did I say defensive end, defensive

37:22

back? I was meant to say. Uh,

37:24

ex teammate of Williams said on the Hail to

37:27

the podcast on the Athletic

37:29

that Williams could return quote

37:31

sooner rather than later. Hall,

37:34

who had said in the past there was zero chance Williams

37:37

shows up, so that the left tackle

37:40

unlikely to sit out the entire season because

37:42

he won't want to lose out once again on that a crude

37:44

season towards free agency. Uh

37:46

So the question now becomes whether

37:49

or not that report date, if it happens,

37:51

Mark is far off in

37:53

the distance or imminent. We

37:56

don't know something the track Hall

37:58

mentioned week too, and so I would

38:01

assume that you know he's

38:03

attached to a gigantic, flaming car

38:05

going off a cliff. So I don't know what his rush to come

38:08

back is other than obviously, you

38:10

know, personal financial, game money obviously.

38:12

But to me, I this

38:14

this is the team that should have been open

38:17

to trading one of their valuable

38:19

assets for a lot of picks to plan

38:21

for the future, and they've been so door

38:24

closed on this, at least in public, to the even

38:26

the concept of someone coming and courting them

38:28

for a big pick swap. I would have done it in a second

38:31

if I were But their front office

38:33

is probably the worst in the league. Bill O'Brien Rifley

38:35

getting killed for how he handled Clowney.

38:37

But the Redskins a team clearly building

38:40

for the future. What do you what need do you have for

38:42

a thirty something left tackle who has huge

38:44

value on the open market. Well, it depends

38:46

what they would get. So there is a report which everyone

38:48

denied, that the Patriots offered a first round pick

38:50

for him two weeks ago. I'd

38:53

rather have Trent Williams. He's thirty one. That's about

38:55

the same age that Dwayne Brown was when

38:57

the Texans traded. I mean, you might still get three years

38:59

of quality left tackle play.

39:02

I don't know that. I mean, I don't want New England's

39:04

first round pick as much as i'd want someone else's.

39:06

You're giving that analysis, Greg based on the

39:09

knowledge that he's going to report

39:11

sooner rather than later. Right,

39:13

I didn't know that. Then it should

39:15

be noted that um and a lot of people don't

39:17

know this that the Patriots first round pick this year is

39:19

gonna be number six. So

39:22

well, that's that. That adds some where

39:27

the eye would win sandwiches from that. You

39:29

were saying the Patriots are gonna have the number six overall

39:31

picks. Just think about it. If you're the Dolphins and

39:33

all it takes is one to Shaun Watson injury to maybe

39:35

have a top ten pick, two top ten ten

39:38

picks from the Texans, that's true.

39:40

We didn't even mention from the old Dolphins angle

39:42

enjoy being protected by Julian

39:45

Davenport all season. Josh Rosen,

39:47

I know

39:49

a lot. He's not the most and sees

39:52

the field this year. Why wouldn't it,

39:54

Well, of course, get

39:56

killed. There is this one little amazing nugget

39:58

that came out of it. Not to this was one second,

40:00

but ESPN did a thing where

40:02

they ran twenty thousand simulations

40:05

on the upcoming season, and they randomly

40:07

picked simulation one thousand, seven hundred

40:10

and twenty one to unfurl

40:12

this long, amazing article, the kind of thing that any

40:14

football nerd would like to talked about. Week to week results

40:16

and where teams wounded up. The Jets finished date

40:19

and Nate. The Browns made the playoffs, won

40:21

the division after some ups and downs, and the

40:23

Dolphins opened three and one.

40:25

Week two, they sand blast the Patriots.

40:27

This is with no Laramie Tounsil, with

40:30

no Kenny Stills. They are six and two

40:32

at the midpoint and playing for the division title

40:34

against the Patriots in the final week of the season.

40:36

And in this well,

40:38

hold on before you scoff at it. Every

40:41

in every other team that you look at, how they did

40:44

it came out kind of reasonable. They just they

40:46

viewed the Dolphins this simulation. It's not a person

40:49

as doing much better than people thought. And Josh

40:51

Rosen didn't even play a meaningful snap because

40:53

Fitzpatrick carried them from wire to wire.

40:56

It may be buggy, but I think, I think,

40:59

I think we can except that the NFL is unpredictable

41:02

enough, we can for the Dolphins to have a winning

41:04

record. I mean crazy things.

41:06

Crazier things happen all the time. I agree

41:08

with, and yet we always act so confident.

41:11

When's the last time at the worst roster in the league

41:13

had a winning record? Uh?

41:16

I mean them having a winning record,

41:18

then they ultimately would prove they didn't have It's an

41:20

anomaly. Alright, good talk, gentlemen,

41:23

It's time for a little eight o'clock to light. Jack

41:28

signed Miles Jack to a four year, fifty seven

41:30

million dollar extension. Both him and

41:32

Jalen Smith West get paid. That

41:35

is cool. That's the point I was gonna make that

41:37

they were drafted right around each other in the same draft.

41:39

Both had questions about how they would do in the future.

41:41

That's why they didn't go in the first round, and now

41:43

both made it to their second contracts. One

41:45

time hard knocks sweetheart Giovanni

41:47

Bernard gets a two year extension with

41:50

the Cincinnati Bengals to pair

41:52

with Joe Mix and Mark Cecil. You

41:54

like that one to punch? I'm fine with it. I'm

41:57

you know. Juvenleb was someone they talked about is maybe

41:59

not making them this year or not being in their long

42:01

term plans. They lost Rodney Anderson was

42:04

ever but good for him,

42:06

but hopefully money good

42:09

report. Steelers extend quarterback

42:12

Joe Hayden on a two million dollar

42:14

deal including seventeen million

42:17

signing bonus. Thirty years old. Uh,

42:19

Gregg, he's had a great career. Always unclear

42:22

why Browns wanted to get rid of Joe Hayden

42:24

so much. Dude too, that's a good point. He

42:27

set two clips a hundred million and career earnings

42:29

in Greggy.

42:34

Seahawks cut then

42:37

re signed Geno Smith, who beats

42:39

out Packston Lynch for the job.

42:42

The Seahawks doing the dirty, not giving that guaranteed

42:44

veteran money. I see all your tweets

42:46

so celebrating when he got cut.

42:48

Wait till the end of the weekend before spiking

42:51

the football. It's back. That's fair.

42:53

You gotta tell you had a positive Geno tweet

42:55

if you recall, it's true, there was

42:57

a lot of There was a lot of tweets before you come

42:59

after us on Twitter and getting our mentions.

43:01

Know the business side of the game, that's the less

43:05

uh. In other news, the Falcons

43:08

bring back long time kicker Matt Bryan

43:10

West. I was hoping they were gonna keep it quiet. He'd stay

43:12

on that golf course and go to the Jets. But he's

43:14

going back to the Falcons. Unless

43:16

you have someone better at

43:18

your fingertips, do not get rid

43:21

of your veteran kicker. Yeah,

43:24

this guy was never bad, Matt Bryan. Uh,

43:26

he had a terrible summer and now he gone.

43:29

The Vikings signed Josh doson days

43:31

after cutting with Con Treadwell. So

43:34

two first round bus picked right around

43:36

each other in the first round. Once upon a time,

43:39

is that matter? Mark? But

43:42

it was signed for the league minimum, so I

43:44

guess it's a bit of a save face. Maybe we just

43:46

picked the wrong guy and the Redskins didn't, and we'll figure

43:48

it out. But it seems a good footnote

43:51

at best Redskins are paying most of his salary

43:53

this year. Uh. Eddie

43:55

p Eddie Piniero wins

43:57

the Bears kicking job for a week.

44:00

I mean, what a drama. He he shakes the

44:02

extra point west about thirty feet

44:04

to the left. Uh in his final preseason

44:06

outing, but still gets the job.

44:09

But it's made clear by Matt Maggy. He wins the job

44:11

Thursday night. What a world, What a life

44:13

to have? What where's their headquarters? Bourbon

44:16

A. Stacy Dale's

44:18

reporting for bourbon A says, they really do

44:20

believe they found their guy. They wanted a young guy

44:22

now and I talk him up. They

44:24

said he's got the right demeanor, the leg talent,

44:27

and the team has embraced him. I think

44:29

that latter part is important coming off what they're coming

44:31

off. In preseason plays, eight of nine on field

44:33

goal attempts hit a fifty eight yard or that got him

44:35

a job, even though that horrible p A t M.

44:37

Miss Greg. The Broncos

44:40

at x Rams practice squatter Brandon

44:42

Allen is their number two quarterback. John

44:44

Elway knows QBS. Hey, John Elway doesn't

44:47

just mess up the starting quarterback situation

44:49

anymore. He's got to pick up someone's back, someone

44:51

off Waivers for his backup. How could

44:53

he possibly be so bad at understanding

44:56

quarterback talent a man that was one of the greatest

44:58

to ever play the position. Well, they

45:00

say, they say, those that can't to teach, those

45:03

that can't teach, do he did do? He already did

45:05

it, and now he can't put the rest of its kid

45:08

I R updates. Derek McKinnon

45:10

of the Niners is a setback with his knee.

45:13

He goes to I R. The Patriots seemed

45:15

to be cursed with their first rounders to kill Harry.

45:18

He goes to I R. E Quan st.

45:20

Brown and the Packers. I R. Nathan

45:22

Peterman hard knocks hero has

45:24

an elbow issue. He goes to I R. And

45:26

Graham Gano the Panther's kicker. He

45:29

has an issue that didn't get better. He also goes I, I

45:31

don't know boomerang or not. Some

45:36

of the ones that waited till the weekend, like Nikkil Harry

45:38

respect, we'll be back. I think

45:41

he's the only one.

45:45

Alright, guys, put on your college shirts, put

45:48

on your Fahrenheit cologne. Spike

45:51

up that hair. I used to wear Fahrenheychkling.

45:53

He used to love it, loved it. Fahrenheit was the

45:56

nineties jam it was what

45:59

about trick car? Used the car give

46:02

me that Fahrenheit all day

46:04

that I try to take Fahrenheit

46:06

into the next decade. And then

46:08

I brought it back. I tried

46:10

to my wife, said no, this, this this smells

46:12

like high school. Right, find me find me like

46:14

anyone that's actually asking someone. I

46:16

guess I never really I never

46:19

worked alone, just the Rosenthal

46:21

is anyway,

46:23

as I say, use the dracuar, use

46:26

the Fahrenheit, use the natural scent. No all

46:28

musk on Rosenthal, no deodoran

46:31

even I stepped behind the velvet

46:33

rope or going to the kicker club. The

46:44

Jets have changed kickers, acquiring I

46:46

don't even know how to say his name, so it's

46:48

bad bet carre vet Vic all

46:51

right on

46:54

Waivers. In the Minnesota Vikings they released

46:56

Taylor Burdelette, who got the job after

46:58

Chandler Cannazero, a propably retired

47:01

Burnett was a disaster, might be Berne

47:03

Lay, doesn't matter. Ved

47:05

Vic, of course, was so in demand that the

47:08

Vikings gave up a fifth round pick to the

47:10

Ravens to get him, and then he stunk out the joint

47:12

once he got to Minnesota. The

47:15

Jets, who were in the mix for a trade

47:18

before the Vikings got him, they scoop him up

47:20

off Waivers, So now he becomes the latest

47:22

Jets attempt to find stability,

47:24

which they wouldn't even have to worry about if they just

47:26

paid Jason Myers, who now kicks for the Seahawks.

47:30

Come on, guys, and when you can, when you

47:32

can sign a guy who just went one for four in the

47:34

preseason with no experience in the regular

47:36

season kick what

47:38

could go wrong? And Chris Berman would have to call him

47:40

carry a carry a laison ved vick Uh

47:45

And finally in the news

47:50

and now another edition of keeping

47:52

up Blowing. You

47:56

know, I was worried that we'd never get to do one of these again,

47:58

and I gotta be honest, told this the mark

48:01

before that. It took quite a Google

48:03

search to find the latest news on

48:05

Maurice's bow ringer. Uh, the German

48:07

born wide receiver turn tight end

48:10

who's trying to make it in the NFL after being

48:12

the first international player to

48:14

get drafted. Is that correct? Was that

48:16

the hook back of the day, what's

48:19

been a walk? Came through the International

48:21

player program. I'm not gonna

48:23

speak because you've already angered Henry by not nailing

48:26

that down. Anyway. The Bengal sign

48:28

nine players to the practice squad on Sunday

48:31

and one of them is Mobo and

48:34

a reminder that an NFL practice

48:36

squad may include up to ten players. Of the Bengals

48:39

have up to eleven with Mobo, who is

48:41

an International Player Pathway Program

48:43

participant and it's eligible to be added

48:46

as the eleventh practice squad player. So

48:49

this is this is my one takeaway, and you guys

48:51

can jump in with some of your own. Uh,

48:53

we've reached the time. We've been very patient with Mobo

48:56

for a couple of years now. To make the leap,

48:58

if you will, he's got to get at of this

49:00

pathway program and get at least

49:02

on legit like practice squad

49:04

best guy available, get out of the pathway

49:07

program and start making a charge. Yeah

49:09

for just for a for a dose. So how do you know

49:11

the difference between pathway program and just regular

49:13

practice. He's designated as that, right, But why

49:15

wouldn't he use that spot. It's like a it's

49:18

a free style, I know. But what we want is for him

49:20

personally. I think he needs to make a roster

49:22

because he can make the ten and then they can add

49:24

another pathway guy. But Mobio won't

49:26

be connected here is he skating

49:29

by on a technicality? Like you gotta start

49:31

earning things here. Here's what he did. He was

49:33

the first international or

49:35

the first European player that didn't play

49:38

in college. So he came

49:40

up like through learning the game elsewhere.

49:42

And hey, there's been a lot of successes f a Obada

49:45

made the Panthers one once again.

49:47

And and uh Christian Wade, it

49:49

has that pathway program for the

49:51

Bills. So they're coming. But Mobio, you're

49:53

right as the first one through the door. A

49:55

lot of pressna get you're paying for his housing,

49:58

You're paying for his you know, three war five meals

50:00

a day. I mean, he has a job. Come on, let's

50:02

let's start to do something. He has a job, I mean

50:05

makes income. I mean he's forty three years old.

50:07

It's time to make that charge. Why

50:10

you do that? And

50:13

that was another addition of keeping

50:16

up. All

50:22

right, let's close by talking

50:24

about the first game of the NFL

50:26

season. How about that Mark, Come on, funk

50:28

up. This is exciting, happy, happy,

50:31

exciting. The

50:33

Thursday night football opener, which

50:36

also begins the one anniversary

50:39

celebration of football. So what do

50:41

they do. They push the defending champions, the

50:44

Patriots, to Sunday night where they'll face

50:46

the Steelers, and they opened up

50:48

the schedule for Bears versus Packers

50:50

at Soldier Field, one of

50:52

the best rivalries in football. I'm sure fans

50:54

of those teams will say this is the best rivalry

50:57

in football. Certainly the oldest, But

51:00

there's so many storylines greg here,

51:02

which is what makes the first game of the season so

51:05

great because you get

51:07

to really dissect it and see some actual

51:09

results. So Matt Lafleur and

51:12

Aaron Rodgers, as we talked about from the news drop

51:14

earlier today, the Bears without Faggio

51:17

and with Mitch Drabinsky and the idea of taking

51:19

the next leave there, how does the kicker do

51:21

so much stuff? To break down? What

51:24

are you looking at for Thursday night football this

51:26

year? This week? It's amazing how the

51:28

first test for Matt Lafleur and Aaron Rodgers

51:30

against the best defense in league.

51:33

But on the other side, we have data.

51:35

We have a matchup of Matt

51:37

Naggy's offense going up against

51:39

Mike Petton and he did. Mike Petton

51:41

did a great job in Week one a year ago. Trabisky

51:44

had four yards for attempting that game. Bears did a better

51:46

job, but not great offensively. The second time

51:48

they played. I am intrigued to

51:50

see how Mike Patton with the six

51:52

defensive six defensive backs,

51:55

uh, gets a little creative and tries

51:57

to really shake things up against Trabisky

51:59

and I I think this could be a defensive game because

52:02

of it. I like to

52:04

see these Week one games, like

52:07

you think differently about a team just because

52:09

of who arrives that you didn't expect to arrive.

52:12

And I I don't know, what if Rashaan Garry

52:14

is one of those guys who's just dynamite

52:16

right off the bat, or Darnell Savage

52:18

for the Packers, the other guy they drafted in the first round,

52:21

or what if you know, Trabiski looks like a

52:23

totally new quarterback this year, David

52:25

Montgomery looks like a stud. I mean, there's it's

52:28

just those How are we going to think differently about

52:30

these teams? And I'm with um, Matt Lafleur, shut

52:33

up about the autumn. Just

52:36

shut up, stop asking about them. Let's

52:38

play football and enough with your narratives.

52:41

The one, the one thing that comes out of the preseason

52:44

of today where you don't see Aaron

52:46

Rodgers for even one second, the entire

52:48

time you don't see Aaron Jones, is

52:50

that I think it amps up the excitement for Week

52:52

one because these guys are pulled out from behind

52:55

the curtain for the first time since last

52:57

winner. And you know, these these openings

53:00

we were in London when this Bear's

53:02

Packers game went down last year.

53:04

A lot is whether or not it's right.

53:06

It's probably wrong. We learn a lot

53:08

and talk a lot about what happens in that Week one game.

53:11

And I thought last year what the one of the narratives

53:13

was was Mr Robiski, as Greg pointed out, kept

53:15

in check by Mike Petton, but couldn't get it

53:17

done at the end when he had to try a chance to seal

53:20

that win with a winning drive. And on

53:22

the flip side, you've got Chuck Pagano

53:24

taking over for Fongio, and if

53:27

if the Bears struggle on defense, or if

53:29

there's a market difference in this game and going

53:31

forward, Chuck Pagano is going to be in for

53:33

one of those coordinator seasons where they're

53:35

pointing at you every week for not doing

53:37

what happened last year. And odds are they're

53:39

not gonna be last year's defense for a variety

53:41

of reasons. What is looking clean.

53:44

I'm feeling a big year for Pegana. He

53:46

looked for the years like a younger man. It's

53:49

like when Greg Williams showed up with the Titans

53:51

after the bounty gate and all of a sudden

53:54

stability goatee and like wavy

53:56

brown hair. And I was like, wait, and what's

53:59

going on? That's hime machine, Sir West.

54:01

I get what you're saying. No

54:03

more narratives. I only hear about it anymore.

54:06

But guess what if the Packers struggle

54:08

against the very Good Bears defense on Thursday

54:11

and Aaron Rodgers, who you know, you could

54:13

He's one of those guys where you could read his face and

54:15

he could. They'll have the camera of all time at

54:17

all times. If he's showing frustration.

54:19

If we catch embarking at somebody at

54:22

some point and they lose twenty four

54:24

to ten on Thursday, it's

54:26

only gonna get amplified. That's part of

54:28

the drama and what makes us such an intriguing

54:31

situation where this is

54:33

what you wanted, Aaron Rodgers, You wanted McCarthy

54:35

out of there, you wanted fresh blood. Well let's see,

54:37

can you actually play with fresh

54:39

fresh blood? I think that as well, said Dan,

54:42

And it's absolutely true. My

54:44

exhaustion level with this is specifically

54:46

about reporters asking stuff about an audible

54:49

that they have no idea what they're what they're talking. Well,

54:51

yes you are in the media. So it's gonna be part

54:53

of your job to beat that drum as well,

54:56

whether or not you feel that it is ethical. And we

54:58

know Week one could be misleading. I mean, the Bears deep fence

55:00

gave up three touchdowns the Aaron Rodgers in the fourth

55:02

quarter, and that wasn't really indicative

55:04

of the type of season they would have, although they did,

55:07

you know, kind of give up that end of the game to the

55:09

Eagles in the playoffs,

55:11

Like we don't. We're not gonna learn that much in Week

55:13

one. But I am curious just how much

55:15

the Packers, like are gonna lean on the running because

55:18

just because the flour was so run

55:20

heavy in Tennessee and

55:22

Mike McCarthy was the total opposite in

55:24

Green Bay in terms of running on early downs,

55:26

Just what kind of Packers offense is he gonna roll

55:28

with early? Can I mention one little bit of

55:30

history, So when they first met

55:32

these two teams back on November

55:36

one, when it was not the Bears but the Chicago Staley's,

55:39

according to a News Pope article, whaling

55:43

whaling on the Packers twenty to nothing.

55:45

That's how this rivalry began. And a little

55:47

nugget on how the Green Bay Press Gazette,

55:50

to your point about media West harping on annoying

55:52

things, this is how they wrote that game the

55:55

Packers again. They lost twenty to nothing,

55:57

were beaten but not disgraced. Every

55:59

man on the team played great football. Okay,

56:02

they were there in the battling every minute,

56:04

and when the final whistle blew, there was plenty

56:06

of glory in the defeat. Sounds a lot like

56:08

an article from today or a talk show,

56:11

right, but then listen to this. This is some amazing

56:13

writing from an early on football writer. The guy

56:16

is long gone now he'd be a hundred something years old.

56:18

Stinchcomb, Sternaman, and Huffin

56:21

are quite some footballers that

56:23

got off fast and run like deer. Stinchcomb

56:26

was the main thorn in the Packer's side.

56:29

His dash for a touchdown early in

56:31

the second quarter was a sensational

56:33

piece of footballing that

56:35

actually kind of sounds a little I

56:38

love the way you go. You go look

56:40

up some of the early reports from this totally

56:42

different type of Stele. But they talked about how

56:44

the people in Chicago were utterly

56:47

one over by the fan, said

56:49

the Chicago football fans had

56:51

one into their hearts the Packers for their

56:53

gritty back that that this

56:55

entire Chicago crowd is simply left

56:57

as Packers fans because of what they

57:00

witnessed in a twenty to nothing Packers lost

57:02

feels a little convoluted

57:04

to me. Fair enough, they

57:06

were probably only like seven people there. There's

57:08

no one to call them. Also noted that the

57:11

Green Bay's band, which had come down to

57:13

Chicago, also helped win over

57:15

the entire Packers operation for again

57:18

Chicago's fan base. Uh, let's pick

57:20

this game. Mark Packers

57:25

twenty Bears seventeen in

57:27

overtime. I'll

57:30

go the other way Bears twenty, Packers

57:32

seventeen in overtoon. Okay,

57:34

I part of me feels like it's inevitable

57:37

that it's gonna come down to a forty three yard field

57:39

goal attempt by poor

57:41

Eddie Piniero. But then the part

57:44

that I'm gonna actually ride with is

57:46

that there will be some bumps in the road

57:48

early on with Rogers and this offense,

57:51

and the Bears at home in prime

57:53

time in the earliest game of the

57:55

season. Will take advantage of that. Bears.

58:00

I have the Packers making the playoffs and the Bears

58:02

not. So what better way to

58:04

kind of change that scenario from a

58:07

year ago than get a road win in the division

58:09

that counts. They always say that that counts double and then

58:11

not really, it's like one and a half.

58:14

Yeah, I get what you're talking to. Anybody want to lock it up?

58:17

No? Definitely not wow, only

58:21

because there's some situation

58:23

you forgot about that football the

58:26

locks? All right? Who

58:29

wants to go for a lock? And then we're

58:31

all hanging out on Thursday night and one of us is,

58:33

oh, when one in the locks? And it's not even

58:35

Friday yet. I forget that nonsense. What I've

58:38

seen you, I've seen you at any times mark

58:40

when the double doin happened, because I

58:42

think you had picked against I

58:45

don't know whatever it would have been. You had picked the Eagles

58:47

to win or to lose. When the double

58:49

doin happened, there was so much fury in you

58:51

in the newsroom that it was you

58:54

were turning red. I don't want to see

58:56

that from you in this situation. You don't want to have a

58:58

lock on. I want you to get out, i'd pour Mitchell

59:00

Trobiski on the podcast later, Well he deserved

59:02

it. I have won two straight lock season

59:05

titles. So I don't really, I'm

59:07

kind of you know, hand, you know, foot off the gas this time.

59:09

I'll let you when you get you co won the first

59:12

one. I have a trophy. I didn't lose

59:14

it. All right, There

59:16

you go. Next time you hear from us, we'll

59:19

be Thursday. Show'll go up late

59:21

Thursday night early Friday morning, and we'll

59:23

have a recap of the Bears versus Packers

59:26

season opener, and then yes, we'll dig

59:28

into every game to be played

59:30

on Sunday and Monday, a preview

59:32

of all the week one action. How exciting is

59:34

that? Um? Before

59:36

we go, some plugs plugs.

59:40

Well, I didn't know this was a whole separate segment

59:43

of Greg. I

59:45

asked for a plug something NFL related. You

59:47

responded with, j r VP is back. Yeah,

59:49

we're taping Tuesday night comes out. Wasn't that you

59:51

didn't say NFL related. You

59:54

had, I would have said, I'm writing the game picks this

59:56

this week, So I gotta come up with a real score

59:58

for that Packers Bears game. Didn't

1:00:00

you just give us one? Or you didn't? It

1:00:02

could change plug into NFL dot com

1:00:05

Rosenthal for that. Uh

1:00:07

Mark Sessler has a new column on the radar.

1:00:10

Uh, you've done two now right on my

1:00:12

radar. On my radar, let

1:00:14

me make a notice different piece of technology than

1:00:16

the radar, which is

1:00:18

getting a lot of positive buzz on the internet.

1:00:21

You wrote about the Dolphins Texans drama

1:00:23

this week, so check that out. The

1:00:25

Power Rankings the old zeuser that is

1:00:27

back Tuesday. And also if

1:00:29

you catch us in time tonight on eight at

1:00:31

eight pm Eastern on NFL Network, Me

1:00:34

and Money Smith and m j D and

1:00:36

Cynthia Freeland, UH have a

1:00:38

power ranking special. And finally,

1:00:41

last but not least, Ricky

1:00:43

Hollywood Everybody making Move. Fantasy

1:00:46

League one begins

1:00:48

this week four times a week,

1:00:51

so check that out. That's a video show where

1:00:53

Ricky's in front of the camera. NFL dot Com

1:00:55

slash Fantasy League one.

1:00:58

This is Your Moment is the show where what happens

1:01:00

on it um. There's six celebrities

1:01:03

and six fantasy people in network

1:01:05

and we're playing for charity

1:01:08

and it's basically UH

1:01:10

picks per week and a lot of fun

1:01:13

challenges that go on within a fantasy

1:01:15

team. See the celebrities should play for

1:01:17

charity. Are you you're in the celebrity

1:01:19

group I am not. I'm just the

1:01:21

people that work and you should be able to play for cold

1:01:24

hard cash. I know, but unfortunately

1:01:26

our NFL don't allow

1:01:29

us to compliance

1:01:31

anguished again, Yes, but charity

1:01:33

is a great A great thing depends

1:01:35

where which one. But yeah, alright, my plug.

1:01:38

Check out Chris Wesley and on Instagram.

1:01:40

Sometimes good instant stories on there with the

1:01:42

big Green eggs. Good music, not good,

1:01:44

great smart and there's been some pop and

1:01:46

heat about Wesley. A cooking show in

1:01:49

development alongside the app.

1:01:52

I don't know if it's in development. We can watch

1:01:54

our own media empire West. Well, we got

1:01:57

loaded home runs you need to put up. Didn't they

1:01:59

have an I had to do a cooking show here like four

1:02:02

Shadowy League figures ago or something. I

1:02:04

don't want this to be at West at anything. No,

1:02:06

this is a check out Western's Instagram.

1:02:08

It's banging at all times. All right, that's it?

1:02:12

Then, hands signing off for Quiet Storm,

1:02:14

the Mailman, the Old Boss, Ricky

1:02:17

Hollywood behind the Glass, real

1:02:19

football. Next time you hear from us, We're talking about

1:02:21

a game that counted till

1:02:24

Thursday night,