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The Around the NFL podcast.

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Twitter misses you Mark.

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From the Chris Westling podcast

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studio.

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It's x man, it's

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Around the NFL.

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I'm Dan Hansis. I

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got Mark Sessler here, and here's the

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thing. Everybody unplugged for one moment.

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Okay, because here's

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Mark talking into a microphone. You don't need to

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live on social media. You got the real thing right

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here.

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I have found it to be an interesting experience.

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I'll still go on as a

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like a distant observer

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because there's news happening in like, oh yeah, news,

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but what's happened to Like I

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know this is already happening with X me. The the algorithm

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of what they're feeding me now has become

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complete total lunacy and has

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nothing to do with anything that I used to like.

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It's just because I would.

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Like to see what you're getting served.

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I will. I'll show you after the show for sure.

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Also joining us. You heard her there?

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Hi, she didn't get introduced, came

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in.

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Hey, I'm here. Great

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to see you guys. What

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a day the day we have in store?

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Oh yes, it's we got a Connie

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Wolf. We got the tiniest of all boxes.

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We got a Tuesday

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show with Colleen, not Tuesdays

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with Maury, It's Tuesdays with Connie sitting

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in the Greg chair.

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Greg on a well.

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Deserved vacation in the

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tropics of the Pacific, so

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he will be back next week. He's

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actually gonna we're gonna tag each other out.

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I'm gonna head out for the tropics after

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he returns. I

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was thinking, with Greg not here,

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how can we make the

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most of this? This Greg is an

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impossible person to replace on the show. Is football

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acumen and his ability to disagree

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with everything cannot be replaced.

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However, how

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about this the idea that is

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he really on a tropical vacation. Do we know,

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for instance that it Delaware isn't back together?

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Yeah, we don't know.

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Wow, there's conspiracy theories all

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over the place.

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And then I actually have a file when Greg

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brings up Delaware, because you know, I want

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the tapes Greg's high school band, Delaware,

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And it says actual in my notes cut and paste

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Delaware bio.

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This is all I have right now.

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But if you're out there, we're

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looking for the tapes, the demos, the release of

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the album.

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How do you Want It Cooked was the name of the album.

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I believe this was a follow up album or perhaps

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a single Shiny Man went to frog

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Town. These are Delaware. This is actual titles

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to Delaware material.

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Was it an actual I don't know if they've produced

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multiple albums, but sorry anyway.

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The drummer, lead singer

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and keyboards, Greg Rosenthal. We're not getting

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anything off him. Drummer Jeff

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Lash. That's traditional Jeff

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spelling lash Lash.

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He was the drummer Jeff.

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If you're out there, if you were from Western

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Massachusetts and you know a Jeff Lash,

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please reach out to him and have him reach

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out to us with any potential demos.

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Also, there's a guy named Andy in the band. Don't

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have the last name, just Andy Andy from

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Western mass If you're out there, we

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will give you a signed eight x ten

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glossy of Mark Sessler in Levi

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the jacket if you reach

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out to us with the tapes.

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It's probably only two hundred

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and seventy five thousand andyes in that area. So like

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it's spread a wide net and get to work.

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I have confidence in the subreddit. I feel

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like they can they can

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mobilize and answer this for us.

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Also, why hasn't there been like some type

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of sing off with Greg, like you

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have to kind of trick him

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into singing, and why hasn't

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there been a segment yet?

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We have to He's sheepish

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about his musical past, and I've tried to get

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that out of him, but I do want to hear

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how do you want to cook their debut album?

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I would love that there was There was at one point

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at one of the band members of someone who

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knew Greg, maybe it was any Maybe it

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was claimed to have, you know, the tapes.

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So they're out there, and you know,

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we're getting in to the age where maybe some of these

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people don't live, They're not on the earth anymore.

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Let's just positive that. I don't know.

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Wow, by the way, if anybody,

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we just were blown away by the

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Patrick Claiband SOG submissions. If

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anybody wants to take a crack on

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what Delaware might sound like, he's he

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said there mid nineties alternative music,

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the vein of like a Flaming Lips type

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artist, that type of underground alternative

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band, a little bit of a he said,

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not prog rock, but kind of you

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know, very left of center alternas. It's a little

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yeah, it was alt and like Greg had like

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a part down the middle, I.

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Believe, with the marsh hair down

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both sides. At some part of that.

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I remember there was a guy that I had a

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huge crush on in like fifth grade,

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and he had that haircut and he loved Silverchair,

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and I was like, yeah, well I'm gonna get into Silverchair too,

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just because he had he likes them.

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The Australian Teens Silverchair. I remember

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that. Man.

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I would love if the listeners

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submitted some songs for Greg and specifically

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focused on what Greg sounded

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like on vocals.

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And We'll give you, We'll give you the again

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the titles of We'll choose Him as songs

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Okay, how do you

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want it cooked? And shiny

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Man went to Frogtown? Either of those

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give us a I mean, I think

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Greg would really appreciate starting

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the show this way and potentially

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extending this bit that he's been hoping to

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kill, like the pix competition for years,

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undoubtedly, but instead the old

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Zuzzar has turned into an opportunity.

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Yep, that's what

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I does. Part.

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That's what I don't doubt your your abilities

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to They call me Sicky

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Davis for a reason, you know that. Yes, all right,

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let's get into today's show, because

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we got a good one coming up a little bit

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later. We're going to sleuth the

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top ten of the NFL draft far

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away from the draft.

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Holy god, we're.

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Inside a month now from the twenty

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twenty four NFL Draft. In fact, Connie, I

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know right before you joined us you were in hardcore

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scramble mode prepping for this show because

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you were doing a.

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Just did a mock draft live with Bucky

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Brook's latest mock, his third one that he dropped.

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So just analyzing that Lancer

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line, isn't it?

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And you hosted the proceedings.

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Yes, I did.

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Where can people see that? Bye?

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That is all Come on, It's all over the

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place. It's on the network today and

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today is Tuesday.

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Today is Tuesday, March twenty six.

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Yes, it's on NFL Plus as well.

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There you go.

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Oh yeah, just your local listings.

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Can you stack these assignments?

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Do you feel better beforehand

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or do you feel better when they are crossed

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off your list? I always feel

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better about your personnelity after.

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Everything has been accomplished. It

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is a little bit of a sprint. I was

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flying back from the East Coast yesterday and

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I have to fly back there tomorrow. So

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I'm you know, I'm I'm prepared

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and I have a lot of information in this old

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brain rock.

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Do you like it better on the hard thing is in front of you or

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behind you? I mean, I think everyone's gonna have this similar.

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Of course, but I think it's a little more

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asterisk slash like special

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with Colleen because I understand when she's coming in my car the same

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way, like there was a fair amount of palpable

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tension in the room when she was in preparation

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mode. I was just imagine that her

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on her drive home is going to be like luxury

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for her.

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Oh it's I love when it's over everything.

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But I my notes

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that I was preparing for this show

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while I was hosting the other show, and

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I know that this is not a visual medium,

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but my notes, look.

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Well, we have a YouTube program. Can we get a tight.

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Scrambled on a cocktail napkin? And

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this is what I'm working with. So you

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know, it's uh, I can't even read what any

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of you.

7:55

Yeah, slightly psychotic but on

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the back of the yeah,

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all right, so that check that out.

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And we're gonna do some draft stuff, as I said, but we're gonna

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sleuth it like an old friend of ours.

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And we'll get to that a little bit later.

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But first we got a lot of news to get to because

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the NFL owners meetings went down to Orlando,

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and that's always a source

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of I

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don't know, intrigue, that's

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a little strong. It's always a source of gruel.

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For the old news.

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Yeah, when you haven't been sent there,

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which is a pattern of late, it's

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less intriguing.

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The good old days. They used to send us there, and now I've

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never been.

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All I do is hear about the swag.

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There's parties and.

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The salad days. Yeah, as they say. Anyway,

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true back to reality. Let's hit

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the news and this is going.

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To be inside the tent. And

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this is dropped picked up by Beck.

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Beck still going running to the right side.

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Beck has some room. Twenty five, thirty,

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thirty five, forty, He's at the fifty.

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He's at the forty five of Jacksonville. Beck

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across the third. That's what the fifteenth,

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ten to five, Are you kidding? Rock

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and Roll touchdown Houston.

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My goodness, oh

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my Beck picked up the ball.

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The earth started shaking in North

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Florida, and he.

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Ran on the right side and found the lane

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to the end zone.

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Man oh Man, Mark vandermir

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with the call kilt.

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That was Andrew Beck full back,

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the up back on the kickoff in

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Week three against the Jaguars, and impossibly

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he took it to the house.

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And why do I play that?

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Because you'll never see that again in the NFL, because

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everything is different now.

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The NFL owners approved a massive and

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I mean massive revamp of

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the kickoff on Tuesday, after

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three days of discussions at the league's annual meeting,

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they passed a proposal twenty nine to

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three in favor

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of redoing kickoffs and essentially

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ending the days. And we've talked about this, We even

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talked about it, I think Super Bowl Sunday night

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at the stadium in Vegas, Like how

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many times you get all pumped

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up at the beginning of the game, touchback, touchback,

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touch back, all throughout the games. And so

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they finally decide to go with a rule that's very

10:19

similar, almost identical in fact,

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but not exactly the same as an XFL

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rule. So during the twenty twenty four

10:26

season, kickers will continue to kick

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from the thirty five yard line, but the other ten players

10:30

on the kickoff team will line up at the receiving

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team's forty, so everyone

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other than the kicker is now on the same side of the field. At

10:38

least nine members of the return team will line up

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in a setup zone it's called between the thirty

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five and thirty yard lines. Up to two returners

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can line up in a landing zone between the goal line and

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the twenty yard line, and no one other

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than the kicker and returners can move

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until the ball either hits the ground or hits

10:53

a player inside the landing zone. So touchbacks

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will be marked at the thirty yard line. By the way, no

10:59

fair catch is allowed, so that lasted what one

11:01

year. Fair catches on kickoffs

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and so now

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there's always going to be a play and that was kind

11:09

of the goal figure out to make the kickoff

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a play again. Also, the

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idea here is to lower the

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reason why they put in a lot of the rules, Marc

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is to try to lower the instances of head

11:21

injuries because the big running start

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down the field.

11:24

So they try to address it with this. Let's see

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if it works.

11:27

It's a huge change in the way football will look

11:29

and feel, but one that I think we all agreed

11:32

was kind of necessary.

11:33

It's a one year trial I think

11:35

from the fan angle, it's

11:38

going to be visually amazing

11:40

to experience because it's completely different

11:42

than anything else. I was trying to think of, like in

11:45

our lifetime, like a rule change

11:48

that was as steep as this and as

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different, and I would go back to maybe like in

11:53

nineteen ninety four when the two point conversion was

11:55

brought in. It's like that it's that much of a

11:57

game changer, because when you watch this, it does absolutely

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what you're talking about. Because with these two

12:02

lineup lines of special teamers just

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separated by five yards, they go and

12:07

they clash and then the runner is close behind

12:09

them. I just wonder, like, it's if it's gonna

12:11

take time for if your

12:13

defensive or offensive to figure out like the tweaks

12:15

in this, because it just seems like because you have

12:17

to have two guys deep, if you were

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to take like your fastest defensive

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lineman and have him blow up one

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player in that like lineup because you're not, they're not.

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It's like it's there all it's a line like you get like your

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fastest wide out behind him, he's

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gone, Like there's It's like, I just

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wonder if it's going to create in a wonderful

12:35

way, I guess, like crazy scoring

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opportunities, but it's

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it's also going to separate kickers because the

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kicker has to literally put it in a twenty yard

12:44

zone now unless you want to boot it out

12:46

of the end zone. But it's like you can't just power

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kick and assume everything is gonna be a touchback.

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It's gonna be wild to watch for the first month or

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two.

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And when the XFL did this,

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there were more returns, there were

12:57

fewer injuries, So that's clearly what

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the end is shooting for in this situation.

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But it also revalues

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because we talk about players being devalued,

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it revalues kick returners. And

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it's kind of apropos in the

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year that Devin Hester is going into the

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Hall of Fame, Like, we want to see

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this, We want to be able to see these

13:17

plays back in the game, won't. We don't want to see

13:19

people getting hurt. But it makes it more exciting.

13:21

Also makes it, I would think, and

13:24

you know, I didn't watch the XFL full

13:26

Disclosure show, so I don't know. It feels like it's

13:28

going to make it more congested and more difficult

13:30

to run kickoffs back, but

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maybe not. Maybe there's enough of a buffer

13:35

zone because they can't move the defenders

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until the balls reaches the player,

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where you could still effectively set up

13:42

the blocking the way special teams coaches

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do to ensure high level kickoffs.

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By the way, and the event a team wants to tempt an onside

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kick, this is notable as well, Like, for

13:51

instance, Saints fans that are listening, like,

13:54

arguably you know one of the

13:57

most important and pivotal plays

13:59

ever and say its history was the onside

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kick fake or the

14:04

surprise on side kick I should say by

14:06

Sean Payton that led to the recovery.

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Do I have that right? Yeah? Yeah.

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In Super Bowl forty four, you

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cannot surprise the team with an onside kick. So in

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the event of a team wants to attempt an onside

14:17

kick, will have to inform officials of its intent

14:20

and then they would be allowed to use the NFL's traditional

14:22

formation. No surprise on side

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kicks are allowed, so which, by the way, I don't know if.

14:27

That it's so weird now you have to declare

14:29

it. It takes all.

14:29

Well, here's the other thing, surprise.

14:31

Out because of and we've talked

14:33

about on the show, like we get it like, and everyone

14:35

gets it.

14:36

You're trying to make the game safer.

14:38

But because of some changes they made in the onside

14:40

kick rules to protect

14:42

players, it's almost impossible

14:45

to recover an onside kick now. So now on top

14:47

of everything else, now you've removed

14:49

this surprise elm and so it makes that play

14:52

that much more difficult.

14:53

It's a trade off because obviously,

14:55

like with the kicker thirty five whatever yards

14:57

behind is other ten special teamers

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on sid's kick would be absurd. That

15:02

play already felt like it was kind of dead over

15:04

the last couple of years because of the rule change.

15:06

I think there's still work to be done to work on that.

15:07

If this works, let's move to fixing the outside

15:09

kick, cause I think that's a broken plate, right.

15:11

But I think the one thing it shows, because if

15:13

you're the NFL and you're the king of all leagues,

15:16

like, it shows a bit of humility to borrow

15:18

from the XFL, And I think

15:20

that tells you that the on side's kick, if it remains

15:22

the sort of dead zone, like, they'll address

15:24

that. Like I do give them credit for wanting.

15:27

I will never forget being at the Super Bowl. And

15:29

while it was a special moment on the opening kickoff,

15:31

like the last one we'll ever watch. That way, the

15:34

stadium and Allegiant Stadium went into

15:36

this hush.

15:37

It was totally quiet.

15:38

But then it just resulted in nothing, and it was like, wait

15:40

a minute, and that it was Greg who after the show said

15:42

the kickoff has got to go and he's

15:45

in Hawaii and got.

15:45

His wish light in though it

15:48

was just still a kickoff. This like the change,

15:50

no, the change to the dead cud way that

15:52

it was. You was saying, just get rid of it, and I was saying, like,

15:54

it's football. You still you have to have to find a way

15:56

to keep it in there without just

15:58

turning into okay, okay, change a position,

16:00

you get the ball to twenty five, Like I

16:03

like it.

16:03

We'll see if it works. It'd be weird

16:05

if they take it away after one year.

16:06

I tend to think, like, but that happens unless it's

16:09

a total colossal failure. It's

16:11

already proved also work in another league. You move

16:13

forward to the humility. I don't know if i'd put that with

16:15

our.

16:15

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, to pull from

16:17

a it's kind of easy to pull from the XFL

16:20

when it's failed fourteen times in the last twenty years,

16:22

so it's like it doesn't It's not like the AFL

16:24

in nineteen sixty nine where it's like you're actually

16:26

looking at them like uh oh there. But to

16:29

the XFL's credit for all their struggles kind of when

16:31

they first came and I think two thousand and then they've

16:33

rebooted and now I believe they've merged with maybe

16:35

the af.

16:36

I have a lot of versions stuff.

16:38

Yeah, the NFL has not the first

16:40

time that they've taken elements

16:42

of what they do, some of its production and TV production

16:45

that they they kind of said, oh, that's good,

16:47

we'll take that.

16:48

But now we have a rule that they've taken.

16:50

As well, So you could argue, yes,

16:52

it's good to have competitors

16:54

quote unquote or not a total monopoly

16:57

on on the sport.

16:58

So then you can learn it's.

17:00

Like a best kitchen. Yes, we're going to see how

17:02

it works over here. Watch you go

17:04

through it and figure out the data, and then maybe

17:06

we'll give.

17:06

It a whirl.

17:07

And one last thing before we move on to the other rule

17:09

changes. Chris used

17:11

to say this all the time.

17:12

Wes.

17:13

The NFL has always been pretty good about

17:15

messing with the product to try to find the best

17:18

version, which not all leagues do.

17:19

This another example, like the.

17:21

NFL takes pretty big swings in messing

17:24

with the product, and that's I think that's all healthy. On

17:26

Monday, owners approved three other

17:28

rule changes. This one's got me a little

17:30

bit more like, uh oh, we'll see, because for

17:33

all the good, sometimes meddling and messing

17:35

with rules just leads to a bigger mess, like

17:38

when they again the Saints seemed to be the

17:40

center of everything after they got robbed of

17:42

that trip to the Super Bowl on the missed

17:45

PI call against the Rams

17:47

and THENFC Title game, they put in pass interference

17:49

as a reviewable play and then that

17:51

quickly went sideways and they got rid of it after

17:54

one year. Now

17:56

they have they're prohibiting the uh

17:58

swivel hip tackle technique.

18:01

So I just want you to

18:03

I don't want you guys, people to dwell on it too

18:05

much, Colleen.

18:06

I want you to put yourself like as the

18:08

Eagles.

18:08

Fan had on Like it's third

18:11

and seven and it's a huge point in the game,

18:13

and your linebacker makes a great open field

18:15

tackle to get off the field and then

18:18

out comes the laundry and the officials

18:20

confer, and it's very borderline and it's moving

18:22

very fast, and the tackle happens. Suddenly

18:25

they decide that it was a swivel

18:28

hip drop tackle and not a standard

18:30

hip drop tackle or just a a tackle,

18:33

and all of a sudden, it's fifteen yards in a first down. Yeah,

18:36

I'm a little worried about trying to legislate

18:39

what kind of tackle was that. Now some are obvious,

18:42

and I think that's what they're trying to enforce here,

18:44

But I'm just worried about it.

18:45

I'm just saying it out loud now.

18:46

In March, am I in the fourth quarter

18:49

of the Super Bowl in the scenario are

18:52

the Eagles playing the Chiefs. In this scenario

18:55

a lot of gray area. The players

18:57

and the former players absolutely hate

18:59

it. Just doing GMFB last

19:02

week and talking to Jason mccordy,

19:05

and the last time I was in there, it was Kyle

19:07

van Ney and Cam Jordan and

19:09

Jason mccorty, and everyone was

19:11

like, so, this is how

19:14

you're taught to tackle. You're taught

19:16

to wrap up. It's a fundamental And

19:19

yeah, I can see that. The data says

19:21

that it leads to more injuries. But now

19:24

you're asking defensive players to

19:27

relearn how they play the game, which

19:29

they're going to have to do. But it's also

19:32

when you think about the rookies that are coming

19:34

into the league and these rookies,

19:36

who a lot of them are not going

19:38

to be paid a lot of money, and they're also

19:41

trying to get up to speed with the speed

19:43

of the NFL and now learn how

19:45

to tackle completely differently, and

19:48

the coaches how much time they're going

19:50

to have to spend in training camp looking

19:52

at tape trying to figure out how how

19:54

to do this because it's also like a

19:57

gravity thing with the way with your

19:59

body weight in the tackle, so

20:01

you have to change everything that you're doing.

20:04

And I think that that's going to be hard to officiate

20:06

because of all of the gray area.

20:08

And I think, uh,

20:10

you know, that's tough too on

20:13

everyone because there isn't open tackling

20:15

in camp and in practice in generally there there

20:17

would have been a long time ago. Jeff Miller,

20:20

the VP of Safety, noted

20:22

that there were two hundred and thirty of these this

20:25

version of the hip drop tackle, the swivel that's

20:27

that's illegal. That happened last season

20:29

in fifteen and it resulted in fifteen players missing

20:32

time. The Mark Andrew Mark

20:34

Andrews was lost because of this.

20:35

But there was.

20:36

Argument initially that that wasn't even exactly

20:39

what they're talking about, that particular hip drop.

20:41

Now they say it is that it's part of the list that would

20:43

not would have been flagged. I think

20:45

what it probably will will turn out to

20:47

be because I think it's fans are going to it's a

20:49

lightning rod if it. If it does, I mean in the fourth

20:51

quarter to a team finds changed

20:54

changed the way players tackled again.

20:57

But a lot of this started.

21:00

It was interesting to hear that, like when the Legion of Boom

21:02

rose up, that they were teaching those players

21:04

to in some cases tackle this way to avoid

21:06

the helmet to helmet. So now this is being

21:09

taken away, and I couldn't agree more with just from a

21:11

physics angle, if you're one of these defensive

21:13

guys, how do you what.

21:14

Do you do?

21:15

Other changes? I like this one, This

21:18

one's makes too much sense. This one of

21:20

those ones that never made sense to me, that was even

21:22

the way it was. Now there's

21:24

a new rule that allows teams to receive a

21:27

third challenge after one successful challenge.

21:29

Previously, the team had to be successful on

21:32

both challenges to receive a third. This

21:34

proposal was submitted by the lines Good job, Detroit

21:37

makes all the sense in the world.

21:39

You don't just.

21:40

Because if the officials got

21:42

something wrong and you corrected them. You shouldn't have to go

21:44

one hundred percent on your challenges to get

21:47

that challenge back. You should never lose

21:49

a challenge if you want a challenge, all right, if there

21:52

is oh another.

21:53

In other news, da da da da,

21:56

the.

21:57

Teams voted down the fourth and twenty on side

21:59

kick altern So maybe try that

22:01

rowelve years ago. Good

22:04

news, Colleen, but we'll see in a post Jason

22:06

Kelcey world. No ban on the tush

22:08

push not going anywhere, and it's

22:10

all right, we'll see. It'll be interesting to see if the Eagles

22:13

are still using it this year. Yeah, and

22:15

this.

22:16

One also made sense.

22:16

I know Greg was honked about this, although

22:19

I don't think they went far far enough. The trade

22:21

deadline is being moved to the Tuesday

22:23

after week nine. That's one week different. So it's

22:25

usually been right around Halloween, which is week eight.

22:28

Now it's the week after the Tuesday

22:30

after. You know, the Monday Night Football of week nine.

22:32

I'd say pushed even to ten or even eleven.

22:35

I could see that even like next offseason

22:37

if it seems to benefit everyone, all

22:39

right, that should have happened like in the nineteen

22:42

eighties.

22:42

Yeah, I kind of can't believe that that it took this long.

22:44

Let's take a quick break here and then get into

22:47

more news. All

22:49

right, moving on, we'll head back to the

22:51

owners meetings in a bit. But first, some news

22:53

that went down. This was a big name that

22:56

had been hanging out there, Lugarious Need,

22:58

Super Bowl winning cornerback of the Chiefs.

23:01

He had been tagged by the Chiefs but had been given

23:03

permission to seek a trade. He found a trade

23:06

sent to the Tennessee Titans, who

23:09

then quickly agreed to terms with

23:11

Snead on a four year, seventy six point four

23:13

million dollar deal includes fifty

23:16

five million guaranteed twenty million signing

23:18

bonus. That from rap sheet. Obviously,

23:21

that was a

23:23

contract that tells you that Sneed

23:25

is viewed as an up end cornerback

23:28

and certainly the Tennessee

23:30

Titans are counting on him to be that.

23:32

Connie. The deal.

23:34

The trade, by the way, was Kansas City accepting

23:36

a twenty twenty five third

23:39

round pick and a swap of seventh round

23:41

selections. I wasn't blown away

23:43

by the return, but I'm always I always seem to

23:45

be often on what players

23:48

can fetch in a contract in a trade

23:50

so they get a Day two pick back.

23:53

The idea that they could or my

23:55

original thought that they can maybe pair their

23:58

top pick this year with the sneak Hall

24:00

to move higher up the board. Maybe it still works, but it's

24:03

something. It's just not a ton for a guy that was a big time

24:05

player for them.

24:05

It's not Kansas City. They've been planning

24:08

though for this loss for

24:10

two years now, when they took Trent McDuffie

24:12

in the first round. They've selected a couple

24:15

other quarterbacks before that twenty

24:17

twenty two draft was finished. But it's like I

24:20

think, for the Titans, this is great for them.

24:22

They've been trying to fix that secondary for

24:24

so many years. Their pass defense

24:26

hasn't finished in the top half of the league since twenty

24:29

eighteen, and over the last four

24:31

years they've used four Day

24:33

one or Day two picks on cornerbacks

24:36

alone. Look at Christian Fulton,

24:38

Caleb Farley. I could keep going but Lajerious

24:40

Sneid is an absolute upgrade

24:42

for them. They also added Chadobi a Woozia

24:45

during the first wave of free agency, so

24:47

they have now a nice little group

24:49

with Sneid, Ouzier and Roger

24:51

McCreary in the slot, plus their

24:53

DC Denard Wilson. He

24:56

was a DBI, So you know

24:58

that the emphasis is going to be on that secondary

25:01

and hopefully after all of these years

25:03

in purgatory, they'll be able to make some improvements.

25:06

Yeah, I think you said it.

25:07

I mean it's I would have thought

25:09

a couple of weeks back that it would have been a second,

25:12

not a third. But if

25:14

you're the Chiefs, you didn't want this salary and

25:16

you were ready to move on, and so it's acceptable

25:18

and I kind of trust the Chiefs to make something

25:21

to have it. But I don't know for this franchise

25:23

and trade thing. Like the terms, this was

25:25

a surprising term to me. I love it for Tennessee.

25:28

Yeah, and the Titans, who have been very active

25:30

of this offseason, but maybe haven't gotten the

25:32

best grades overall. This one, I can't

25:35

quibble with this. They've now addressed another key

25:37

point part of their team by adding

25:39

a high end cornerback. So they're improving

25:41

and we'll see what happens

25:44

next, maybe what we need to do, because

25:47

this happens to us all the time, and we're not alone. We

25:49

always think a player is gonna fetch more. Let's

25:52

just start, let's get ahead

25:54

of it now, and just it's attacked.

25:55

So whatever you think it's going to be, just drop it

25:57

down around right.

25:58

I think we could have we could have say that not

26:00

on the air, so that people start to just think that

26:02

innately we've grown that way.

26:04

But I'm with you one hundred percent. I'm not atit added

26:06

post. Yeah, I always feel that.

26:07

Way whenever we do. You're the GM

26:10

and we're trying to figure out

26:12

trade values. I'm

26:14

so bad at that. I wasn't good at math, I'm not

26:17

great at the finances. And then the resource

26:19

swapping is sort of in that same vein

26:21

sure. So yeah, I mean maybe if there was like a

26:23

class on that, it'd be cool.

26:25

Moving forward, Moving forward, We're going to have this nailed.

26:28

Let's head back to news

26:30

out of the owners meetings, where Steelers

26:32

head coach Mike Tomlin said Russell Wilson has

26:35

quote pole position to open the years the

26:37

team's starting quarterback. This is the

26:39

same team that also now has of course Justin

26:42

Fields, who also we kind of miscalibrated

26:44

the old trade market.

26:45

Up, No we didn't.

26:47

So here we go, yeah, edit

26:49

that out and post as well. Here is Mike Tomlin

26:52

on the QB Sich Sich.

26:56

The term that I've used is Russell has

26:58

pole position. And why do I

27:00

use that term because

27:02

during this time where we are not formally

27:05

working, man, I just think it's beneficial

27:08

his experience International

27:10

Football League, his process

27:13

that's been honed and perfected. Talking

27:15

about over a twelve month calendar is

27:17

not only good for him, it's good for teams. It's

27:20

good for receivers, tight ends, running backs, etc.

27:23

All the things that people are that are really

27:25

committed to winning do this time of year. Russell

27:29

has those resources, man that structure,

27:32

and so that's why I say he has pole position.

27:34

Man.

27:34

It just creates a synergy that I

27:36

think is good for this time of year when

27:38

it's time to compete. We get in training camp like settings

27:40

and going to preseason stadiums and so

27:43

forth. Obviously Just will be given an opportunity

27:45

to show his.

27:46

Capabilities preseason

27:49

stadiums.

27:49

Wow, all

27:53

right, I mean, I think will

27:55

you parse that, but it's yeah, they want

27:57

Wilson to be the quarterback, and they

27:59

like that they have someone to be there if

28:01

Wilson is washed.

28:04

Also, if Justin Fields plays

28:06

fifty one percent of the snaps, that conditional

28:08

sixth round pick turns into a fourth round

28:10

pick. So of course Russell Wilson is

28:13

going to start the season.

28:14

Right, Yeah.

28:15

I mean, and Mike Tomlin hasn't exactly

28:17

been like the Washington Post with his quarterback

28:20

reports and updates to what do you Yeah,

28:22

it's.

28:22

Like not not a total wappo situation.

28:24

No, so I think like this is this is true

28:27

until it's not true, which is probably as soon as Justin

28:29

Field starts doing special things.

28:30

All right.

28:31

Speaking of Mike Tomlin, he

28:33

was in conversation at I

28:36

don't know where it was. I think it was the owner's meetings, makes

28:38

sense. It was with John Lynch. Oh no,

28:40

that might have happened before. Okay, Uh,

28:43

maybe it was a pro day. You know these days, a lot of

28:45

things going on, a lot of gray area, a lot

28:47

of gray eye, a lot of who's what's and what

28:49

has anyway? Uh,

28:52

and Tomin's like, hey man, what's going on with.

28:54

The without you and

28:57

uh, what's his sitch? That's his sitch.

28:59

Let's wa poo

29:02

post saying on that anyway, John

29:05

Lynch came out of the owners meeting.

29:06

He said, no, Brandon and Yuke's not available in

29:08

to trade.

29:08

In fact, uh, you know,

29:10

my my coach Shanny, he wants him

29:12

to stay.

29:13

We're just using all abbreviations and nicknames.

29:15

I love the show.

29:17

Nothing's going on there. We're actively

29:20

talking with Brandon trying to figure

29:22

something out. And you

29:25

know I always talked we have

29:27

a good history of working with the

29:29

guys. We want to get done, to get something

29:32

done, and it takes two sides.

29:34

So can we do that? We'll see.

29:36

Hmm.

29:37

There's a number of different directions you know

29:39

that it could go. But appreciate that

29:41

guy is a player and want

29:45

them to be a part of the Niners. So we're going to

29:47

work towards.

29:48

Making that reality. My

29:50

radar is going off a little bit, really a

29:52

little bit, like.

29:54

I'm not now could by the end of

29:56

his podcast, could there be a newser

29:58

that's out that's like brand UK

30:00

is now the top five highest paid wide

30:03

receive in the league. Certainly possible,

30:05

But I think there's just enough wiggle room

30:07

in the way he was talking there that

30:09

the Niners are always a forward thinking team.

30:12

Might still be open to moving Ayuk at

30:14

the right prices if it means them

30:16

being able to reboot and get younger

30:19

and cheaper at that position rather than have

30:21

Debo and Ayuk on the books in addition

30:23

to all the other talented, expensive

30:25

players they have.

30:26

I mean, I think anything is possible

30:28

with anything any of these people are saying in

30:31

March, like anything is still out there as a possibility

30:33

of someone.

30:33

That's our job, Mark Sessler.

30:35

But I don't so my cod My response

30:38

is that I don't think that this is a specific there's

30:40

some background suspicion here. I

30:42

think I want to keep them. You're the Niners,

30:44

like your super Bowl window is wide

30:46

open. Like I'd say he was

30:49

more important than Deebo Samuel for large

30:51

chunks of last year. Became a true star

30:54

and they waited a long time for that. So now you

30:56

move on and hope that someone else you fill

30:58

in the blank with, Like if.

30:59

You drafted Brandon, you drafted Deebo Samuel,

31:01

Right, they Yeah, that's the only thing I'm just I'm

31:04

thinking of from their perspective in a very rich

31:06

wide receiver draft, if they would

31:08

ever get a little.

31:10

Here's the thing that they did say they wanted

31:13

to re sign Deebo

31:15

Samuel, and they did, and even with Jimmy

31:17

g as messy as that got, they said, we'd like to make

31:19

this work, and they did until it was completely over

31:21

and they found another quarterback.

31:22

But they haven't.

31:24

If I think of Deebo went somewhere else,

31:26

or story Guy A B or

31:28

Seed, and then I would believe them a little less. I don't

31:30

believe like Shanahan on half the stuff he says,

31:32

but I think they Shanahan wants to keep

31:34

his arguably best wide receiver.

31:36

Yeah.

31:37

Of course John Lynch is

31:39

going to say that he's not available

31:41

until he is, but I

31:43

think that he's going to want to keep him around. I've been in

31:45

this social media rabbit hole though. That

31:48

Brandon Ayuk. He was really

31:50

I think he was on a Twitter break for a little while

31:53

and then he got back in. He

31:55

dipped his toes in the water, and

31:57

now all of a sudden, I'm looking at his ig store

32:00

worries and if you guys saw

32:02

it, it's just emojis where there's

32:04

a cash sign someone talking, well.

32:07

Looks we got to retire that one a cow.

32:09

I think it's I.

32:11

Think it sounds to retire Ayuk is on fire.

32:13

It kind of is.

32:14

You're not into it.

32:15

It kind of just it had its Bothers made

32:17

that one. I don't know why.

32:19

What if he was a jet and that was part

32:21

of the Jets situation, because.

32:24

Everything would be different, right, it's always different.

32:26

We love it and you're so shallow all

32:29

your criticism easily diffused by

32:31

just turning him into a jet. No, we could

32:33

do better than Ayuk. We could do

32:35

better for him. Let's find

32:37

a new Ayuke drop how about that?

32:39

Yeah, so I'll redd it. But listen, I

32:42

have a delaware submissions

32:44

and uh Ayuk submissions.

32:47

Giving him a little too much homework made. I don't know.

32:49

I feel like they'll still deliver.

32:51

I hope. I hope it gets traded. That would be exciting.

32:53

It'll be interested to see that that that move and

32:55

the team that that brings him in.

32:57

That would be cool.

32:58

All right, Well, well, so what do you think he would net

33:00

in the trade now that we're in this new world, In

33:02

the new world, like a low fourth

33:05

it would be I.

33:06

Would say he would he would bring back

33:08

I would think it would be like

33:10

a first round, but that's probably I would

33:12

say bring back a third round pick third.

33:15

I mean that is like that is with.

33:16

The tax, with the internal secret we figured

33:18

out, I would think easily a sex So I shouldn't

33:21

argue it. I should say that sounds wised in unless

33:23

it's first round pick we think, and then it's

33:25

a second round pick tax.

33:27

Maybe that's what it is.

33:28

I think second, I would say second, I

33:30

guess.

33:30

We might find out. This would be the first big

33:33

test of this idea.

33:34

If it happens.

33:34

Brave New World, all right.

33:36

Let's see, by the way, thanks to Tracy

33:38

Sandler on Instagram for that. In

33:40

other news, Robert Kraft, Oh,

33:43

by the way, let me frame

33:45

it this way. I

33:47

think I know who's

33:50

the next figure to be found or not found,

33:52

because they're buried under the mass Pike.

33:55

There's a couple of them. Matthew Hamachik.

33:58

He was the director of the ten

34:00

part documentary series The Dynasty

34:03

on Apple TV Plus.

34:05

You heard like.

34:06

Andrew Ciliano flowed it on

34:09

the Around the AFC in forty

34:11

eight minutes that he was surprised

34:13

by how pointed it was at times, and what seemed

34:15

to be criticism of Bill Belichick, who of course

34:17

is no longer with the team, that

34:20

became the only thing people really were talking about

34:22

about this documentary is like, Wow, that was a little slanted

34:25

pro ownership or anti Bill. Robert

34:27

Kraft wants you to know that

34:30

that was not his intention,

34:32

and he feels like other Patriots that were

34:34

involved with the project, perhaps duped

34:37

by the nature of the doc

34:40

short for documentary.

34:42

Felt bad that

34:45

there was so much emphasis on the

34:47

more controversial and

34:52

let's say challenging situations

34:56

over the last twenty years.

34:59

I wish they focus more

35:01

on our Super Bowl wins, twenty

35:04

one game win streak. You

35:08

know, I felt bad. There were

35:10

players who gave

35:13

hours and hours of interviews and

35:18

they felt only the negativity.

35:20

So oh.

35:23

Little disappointed that there wasn't

35:26

more of a real positive approach.

35:31

Oh special man, man.

35:34

I think Robin is getting in that Jerry

35:36

Jones flow where if

35:38

you're transcribing a Jerry Jones quote,

35:40

no need to stop the recorder, no point, just

35:42

beautiful wight and type.

35:44

Truly, how about this, don't

35:46

speak on camera if

35:48

you don't want it to be absolutely

35:51

legally and rightfully used in a documentary.

35:53

Documentary is not an in house hype

35:55

film. It is meant to tell you a story,

35:58

the good and the bad. And I kind of

36:00

find this like a billionaire is unhappy

36:02

with result of something. Well, you can't have your

36:04

way all the time.

36:05

Devin mccordy and Rodney Harrison

36:07

both came out saying that they had

36:10

done hours and hours and hours

36:12

of interviews for this documentary,

36:15

this docuseries, and the

36:17

only things that were used were the

36:19

negative things that they said. So

36:22

yeah, that's how they felt.

36:23

A little different.

36:24

I get that, But like I guess part of it is like why

36:26

are we talking about it because it was Newsy,

36:29

Like if it was a bunch of people glowing over

36:31

the twenty one game win streak and the Super Bowls, like

36:34

we we all live that we've been there. I mean, I feel

36:36

for McCardy if like you have, if you've

36:38

given all this time.

36:39

I get a little frustration. But it's like, filmmaker,

36:42

want to sign up for do it

36:44

this is? And I don't know. I haven't, I don't want

36:46

to. I don't want to.

36:47

I'm uneducated on the topic, so I don't know. So

36:49

is this was NFL Films. Is this an NFL Films.

36:51

Project at all, because if it's not,

36:53

I don't know.

36:54

Yeah they so if this was an outside

36:57

project and new

37:00

paper terms, if it bleeds, it leads.

37:02

And that's all I'm saying is like I did see

37:04

why they were attracted to that part of it.

37:05

And we can act like if we're Robert

37:08

Kraft, we could act disappointed that

37:10

there was too much focus on the the the

37:14

the last three or four years and how

37:16

Bill Belichick and Craft went from the most powerful

37:18

duo in football to estranged

37:20

and separated. But that's an important

37:23

like whether he I know it's called the dynasty,

37:25

but if you're telling the story, you tell

37:27

the story of how the dynasty ended it too and

37:30

then be kind of becoming no longer on the same page.

37:32

That's a big part of the story. Like so I

37:35

don't know, I didn't want to.

37:37

I've seen one episode and I actually really

37:39

liked it, so.

37:40

Like, I don't. I That's why I don't want to get too deep

37:42

into it personally. But you kind of you got to

37:44

expect people to focus on things like that because

37:46

I mean the fact that and I've been hammering

37:48

on this for for weeks and weeks on the show. The fact

37:50

that Bill Belichick couldn't get a job, like

37:53

he's just kind of a figure of fascination at

37:55

this point. Like what happened from is

37:58

it just because he's older, or is like

38:00

what happened with Belichick within the

38:03

ranks of the NFL to be in this place?

38:05

Now?

38:05

Where did you watch the game?

38:07

Right?

38:08

And I think like news should be something

38:10

that you don't know versus something

38:12

that we all know very well, and it should be something that probably

38:15

is unpleasant to many people.

38:17

All right, let's see, let's see, let's see

38:21

the Lions. This was a weird story.

38:25

Cam Sutton, cornerback

38:27

of the Lions. He has

38:29

been released from the team

38:34

after he was involved with some

38:36

legal trouble.

38:37

There was a period of time.

38:39

First of all was domestic battery by strangulation,

38:41

that's the allegation. There

38:44

was a period of time and this happened like you know,

38:46

going into the weekend and stuff where no one seemed to know

38:48

where he was. And then

38:51

like the team president of the Lions,

38:53

Rod Wood, admitted Monday that the day before

38:56

the Lions released him that he was inside the

38:58

team's facility and so you know, I don't know how

39:00

all that marries up exactly with the quite

39:02

wondering where he was. But that's why it's

39:04

a It doesn't look great for the

39:06

Lions, but they've released him and he's gone.

39:09

He joined the Lines as

39:11

an unrestricted free agent last summer after spending

39:13

his first six seasons in the NFL with

39:16

the Steelers, And we touched on

39:18

this around the NFC Connie that the

39:20

back end of their defense is

39:23

a target for improvement and now

39:25

setting out of the picture, that becomes even more of a glaring

39:28

need for them.

39:29

Yeah, now that's their heat.

39:31

Their hand is forced when

39:34

the draft comes around, and how they're going to

39:36

kind of play this and just looking at some of

39:38

the mock drafts that are out there right

39:40

now, not to because I don't really want to focus

39:42

too much on Cam Sutton, like I don't know,

39:44

I don't know what the details are,

39:47

but they don't sound good whatsoever. So

39:50

for the Lions, the fact that they're picking

39:52

as high as they are, we haven't seen that in

39:55

years and years. They have the twenty ninth pick

39:57

in the upcoming draft, and

39:59

for a lot of them like yeah, they they're

40:02

probably gonna end up taking a corner.

40:04

Maybe it's kool aid McKinstry, maybe they

40:06

take an edge, but I think for them it would

40:08

be really prudent to beef up that secondary

40:10

now that they lose Cam Sutton.

40:13

And finally in the news,

40:15

we're gonna do a little speed round. But last

40:17

item here, they did it.

40:20

What happened?

40:20

The NFL did it? What they do.

40:22

I knew they were gonna do it, and they've done it. The

40:25

NFL has defeated Days.

40:28

NFL won Days zero game

40:31

over. You thought

40:34

that as big as a ratings hit the

40:37

NFL on Christmas was after they

40:39

came for the NBA's throat

40:43

and stumped it, that

40:47

they would say, well, we got to wait

40:49

a few years until it syncs up with the calendar,

40:51

because obviously can't play a football game

40:53

on Wednesday, can't play an NFL game in the middle

40:55

of the.

40:56

Right course, be contreur.

41:03

It will continue in twenty twenty four with two

41:05

matchups on the schedule, despite

41:07

the holiday falling on a Wednesday. It

41:10

was announced matchups for the games, which

41:12

will include teams that played on the previous Saturday

41:15

to account for their recovery window, have yet to

41:18

be determined. I am sure those

41:20

teams are going to be thrilled to learn they

41:22

have playing on a Saturday on

41:25

a short week and then have a turnaround.

41:29

Enjoy your Christmas. You got

41:31

a game on Wednesday.

41:32

No, anyway, this is all of

41:34

obviously, because the

41:36

three games played on Christmas Day twenty

41:38

twenty three did massive ratings. In fact,

41:42

ESPN's Ravens Niners telecast

41:44

that Gnarley Niners

41:46

blowout had over twenty

41:48

seven million viewers, making it the second

41:50

high second most watched Monday night football

41:53

game since nineteen ninety six, almost thirty years

41:56

when TV was a totally different thing.

41:57

Good job yours.

41:59

So there it is. NFL

42:01

one Day's zero got them.

42:03

It's well, it's saying so predictable.

42:06

Here's what the scheduling tick that concerns

42:08

me, because you know, you get into late December and

42:10

these four teams that might have looked like we're

42:13

gonna combine them for incredible matchups

42:15

back in April, like

42:17

you know, the three of them could be roadkilled by then with

42:19

like the third quarterback plane and we have to see them in

42:22

Island games two weeks in a row. But beyond that, I

42:25

think we made the prediction that they were going to find a way to

42:27

have games on like May Day, and I think we're only a couple

42:29

of weeks from that happening for weeks years, please.

42:32

Man, most every day of the week. Why not.

42:34

It was like during the pandemic, we did it

42:36

so and what great times they

42:39

were. Tuesday night football, Wednesday

42:41

night football. Let's just keep going.

42:43

But everyone digs this except

42:46

people working football, and so most

42:48

people were probably shut up.

42:49

I will say like this past year, on Christmas

42:51

Day, I wasn't working because I worked Christmas Eve, and

42:54

I went to a friend's

42:57

house who big Niners fans, the

42:59

whole family, and we

43:01

sat at this big, long table and they had a projector

43:03

on the wall and the hearth and

43:06

every and it was so it felt right

43:08

like it was nice to sit around and

43:11

watch the Niners lose with Niners

43:13

face.

43:18

All right, eightclck delights kind of you cunny,

43:21

Yeah, I hope you're invited back.

43:25

Saints tackle Ryan Ramcheck, his

43:27

knee issue, could miss the entire twenty

43:29

twenty four season. The

43:32

in season hard knocks could

43:35

feature four teams from the same division.

43:37

Huh okay, you

43:40

lov uh yeah.

43:42

Further for Ramcheck, I mean, and the Saints

43:44

they have so many needs, they have

43:46

so many holes on that roster, and now they're probably

43:48

going to have to draft a tackle right away

43:50

because of Ramcheck.

43:52

Damian Harris, the running back veteran

43:54

running back retires. He's only twenty seven,

43:56

I believe, and he had some really nice years with

43:58

the Pats, went to the Bills, suffered a pretty

44:01

serious injury.

44:02

Now he steps away from the game.

44:03

The Browns are looking to extend their

44:05

GM and head coach Barry and Stefanski

44:09

and maybe be building a dome.

44:10

Mark what's going on there?

44:11

Well, they absolutely want

44:14

to either take their current stadium and

44:16

make massive renovations to it. But

44:18

the Haslams talked about a dome which had

44:21

been floated in the past.

44:22

Well, the Bills are doing it right.

44:23

I don't as a you know, a

44:25

longtime Brown's follower, I'd like

44:27

them to play in the mud and the snow.

44:29

What else advantage do they have?

44:30

Mike McDaniel, Miami has made it off or

44:32

to Odell Beckham, Woody Johnson. If

44:34

we don't trade Zach, we're going to keep them. They're backpedaling

44:37

on that one. They're eyeing Ja Davian Clowney and

44:39

the Bears and Texans will play the Hall

44:41

of Fame game starting off the season.

44:43

Kanye, I just saw.

44:45

The Odell Beckham junior Kim Kardashian

44:47

broke up.

44:53

So.

44:56

I didn't know they I didn't know either. I

44:58

feel like what I should What

45:01

is up with that Kim Kardashian.

45:02

She's always in the news like she'd want to go to

45:05

Miami every ant with someone paining

45:07

her way, although.

45:07

She's probably way richer than him.

45:09

I think so, Yeah, ten times,

45:11

let's take a break and we'll do some investigating.

45:27

Welcome back.

45:32

Sometimes getting

45:35

to the bottom of a mystery requires

45:40

you to.

45:41

Get your hands dirty, work

45:44

in the shadows, turnover

45:48

rocks. But we're never meant

45:50

to be turned over, and

45:54

that's why it's time to go full Signetti

45:57

on the top ten of the NFL draft.

46:01

Mark. You asked, what is full Signetti mean?

46:04

I mean, I can only imagine he's been on some tough

46:06

cases in the past. He's unearthed some

46:09

problematic human scenarios. This

46:12

one seems broadreaching.

46:14

I've been wondering where he's been Frank

46:16

Signetti.

46:17

I did a little investigating

46:19

of old Frank Frank the tank Signetti.

46:24

How long we've been mentioning this man in the show a

46:26

decade, the offensive coordinator of

46:28

the then.

46:30

Saint Louis Rams.

46:33

In two thousand and fifteen,

46:36

he was the OC and

46:38

then bounced around in different position rooms

46:42

for the Giants Packers Boston

46:45

College. He recently

46:47

got let go by Pitt in the colleging.

46:49

So he's you know, he's been

46:52

on a lot of different investigations.

46:54

It's a hard scrabble detective.

46:55

We always thought that Frank Signetti private

46:58

eye, So why don't we get

47:00

our full Signetti on and figure out this draft

47:03

the top of it.

47:04

Anyway, I would love that, you know, Signetti,

47:06

he's been working a lot of cases, a lot

47:08

of cold cases, and I

47:10

mean the nights, the weekends, the

47:13

hours that he spends and his dedication

47:15

to his craft is just I

47:17

haven't seen anything like it. So whenever I have

47:20

an issue, a question, I need a little

47:22

PI work, I always go straight to the source.

47:24

I go right to Signetti.

47:25

I'd say he's pretty teflon too, and he's he's

47:28

resilient because I'm looking at the most recent

47:30

headline about him that I can find. Yeah, what went

47:32

wrong in the Frank Signetti junior

47:34

era at pitt so's he's got

47:36

to lead a double life.

47:37

He's got to be.

47:38

Willing for these things to fail because his time

47:40

becomes too absorbed in these cases.

47:43

They pull him in and they're asking questions in Western

47:45

Pa. But guess what. Frank just slips into

47:47

the shadows and he's gone, who's

47:50

that guy?

47:50

The trench coat gone, never

47:52

saw him, and the fedora gone.

47:55

All right, let's get into it. So we're gonna get our

47:58

signetti on here. We're gonna

48:00

and what does that mean? Because it seems pretty

48:02

nebulos? What does it mean?

48:05

What does it mean? We each split

48:07

We split up the top ten of this draft because

48:10

we can go one through thirty two, but you can go anywhere for

48:12

that. Everyone knows those first

48:14

ten picks, and then just in addition

48:16

to just being the most high profile picks

48:19

of a draft, they kind of set the tone for the

48:21

rest of the draft board. So we

48:23

each split it up and based

48:26

on everything that's out there, all the reporting,

48:29

anybody you've talked to, any again, rocks

48:31

that were turned over, any meetings

48:34

and diners where you know the thing you do. One

48:36

guy sits in the booth one way and the

48:38

other guys sitting in the other booth and

48:40

they either slide a bag across the floor

48:42

and the other guy leaves, or they just have

48:45

full on conversations with the menus in front of them

48:47

like.

48:48

Stuff like that. Yeah, that's stuff

48:50

we do. I have a skill set, Yeah, to learn.

48:52

That's where you meet big time parking garage exactly,

48:55

always not well lit.

48:57

At all, subterranean level, gotta go

48:59

all the way down.

49:00

And you know, cigarette smoking

49:02

continues to be on the decline, but

49:05

you have to sometimes pick up the old nicotine stick.

49:09

You need it.

49:09

Pack and darts. Gotta pack and darts.

49:12

So let's get to it.

49:13

I'll get it going with this investigation

49:16

doesn't need a signetti.

49:19

Let's be honest. This number one overall pick Watergate

49:22

scenario. Everyone knows

49:24

that the Bears are going to take Caleb

49:26

Williams with the number one overall pick, and

49:30

I should just so we're not going to dwell on this because

49:32

we've got the Bears coming up later and I'll do a

49:34

little deep dive on that, which

49:36

is certainly more intriguing. But

49:38

I do think it's just notable that and

49:42

some teams are like this in these

49:44

type of.

49:44

Drafts where we all know who's going number one.

49:46

But in many instances teams

49:48

are still needlessly cloak and dagger about

49:50

it.

49:51

Sure that's not the Bears.

49:52

They they're talking openly about Williams,

49:55

you know, going to his pro day and

49:57

and and speaking on him, and you

50:00

know, not even trying to be cute about the Justin

50:02

Fields thing. They're like once they granted

50:05

they didn't maybe get the most value they could with

50:07

Fields, but they made it

50:10

a point to clear the path for

50:12

this rookie to come in and be the

50:15

guy with no distractions and of course

50:17

build up a real nice infrastructure around

50:19

him. So Caleb Williams of USC will

50:21

be the first pick. And I

50:23

don't really maybe

50:25

I failed it in my Signetti tasked

50:28

to do any more diving in this one. But sometimes

50:30

you got to know when to stop turning

50:32

over rocks and just be like it's staring right at

50:35

you.

50:35

Don't want to get too cute. But maybe maybe others

50:37

might not be able to see what you've seen. But Frank Signetti

50:40

suss this out with no issues, and there's

50:42

not a lot good job around it.

50:44

Yeah, Signetti's time is precious. If

50:46

he knows the answer, He's moving on to the next

50:48

case.

50:48

Colleen, does he know the answer?

50:52

I like now that we've had a subtle shift

50:54

in the seg and now we are Frank Signetti

50:56

and I like this. Okay, So Frank tell

50:59

us about the

51:01

Washington Commanders at number two.

51:03

What are you hearing? What have you learned?

51:04

Well, what I've done here is I put a tail

51:06

on this Peters guy. Adam Peters

51:08

mark the new GM his nineteen

51:11

eighty nine black Lincoln Continental with

51:13

the maroon crush velvet interior,

51:16

moonroof eight track player. It was on my radar immediately.

51:18

I knew that something was up. Where was he going

51:20

in this car, where was he parking? What was he using

51:22

it for? And he was using it

51:25

to check out these quarterbacks because there's

51:28

no doubt in my mind

51:30

that the Commanders will be taking

51:32

a quarterback. The question is which

51:34

one Caleb Farley

51:37

going to be off the board? That's fine, But

51:39

this draft, it starts at too with

51:42

Adam Peters, and he's

51:44

got to get this right. New organization, new

51:47

owner, new times, new

51:49

quarterbacks got to come through. And

51:52

when they got rid of Sam Howell, I

51:54

felt like that was a very

51:57

interesting shift because most

51:59

mock draft out there have the

52:01

commanders taking Jaden

52:03

Daniels. Most people right now

52:06

talking about the commanders and

52:08

surrounding the commander's organization seemed

52:11

pretty pretty steady on Jadeen

52:13

Daniels, the Heisman winner. That's the most popular

52:16

pick, and it would go well with

52:18

their offensive coordinator, their new one there, Cliff

52:20

Kingsbury, because it's the same type of quarterback that

52:22

he had in Arizona with Kyler Murray. However,

52:26

the pell Raiser, I

52:28

wouldn't normally out my sources like this, but

52:30

pel Raiser came right out and said it himself.

52:32

So I'll let you guys know what he said. And he said

52:34

that of all of the decision makers

52:37

he was talking to at the owners meetings, they

52:39

think that Washington will

52:41

go JJ.

52:42

McCarthy So, oh that would shake

52:44

it up.

52:45

Okay, is this legitimate? Is

52:47

it a smoke screen? It

52:49

is a classic smoke

52:51

screen season right now. So you got to watch

52:53

your back. You don't know who's giving you bad information,

52:56

who's an actual narc I mean, you have to really

52:59

wait what you're hearing and

53:01

triple source check everything every time.

53:03

But in this line of work sometimes you

53:05

don't have that luxury. So when

53:09

the commanders sent Sam

53:11

Howell to Seattle. That

53:14

made me think and made me believe that

53:17

they will be drafting Drake May

53:19

because Drake May and

53:21

Sam Howell were best friends,

53:24

former UNC teammates. Interesting

53:27

that was one of May's best

53:29

friends, his mentor, they

53:32

obviously played together. So it felt real

53:34

spicy when the commanders,

53:37

who for all of these years stood by

53:39

their man Sam Howell, and then

53:41

right before the draft send him back

53:44

into Seattle. Got to get yas

53:48

that's rich.

53:48

That's a rich bit

53:50

of evidence right there, that

53:53

Jeremiah kat Yeah,

53:56

he's.

53:57

I got some of him, I got some stuff on him.

54:00

Going to be trusted, I don't know. On

54:02

the outside, he appears to be of

54:04

high care.

54:05

Squeak.

54:06

Yeah, they call him the wholesome assassin. He's

54:09

got Drake May going there as well. And

54:12

if that is indeed what happens, and

54:14

it is Caleb Williams and Drake May

54:16

one two that takes us to the New England

54:18

Patriots.

54:20

And I'm hit to this.

54:21

Mark Sessler cap He's

54:24

all over this.

54:26

This was a fortress for many

54:28

many years in England. And

54:31

you know, Bill Belichick was a

54:33

person that allowed no other sources in the building because

54:35

he essentially played all the roles himself and

54:38

anyone that did investigate

54:40

too far into going

54:42

bye bye yep, were you an innocent little

54:44

ball boy?

54:45

Yeah, they even have this is a true story

54:48

at Patriots headquarters. They have a backo

54:51

that has the Pat's logo on it that they used to

54:53

break ground and bury people.

54:56

Openly because that was a again, it was

54:58

a fortress, and like.

54:59

You know, the States were in their back

55:01

pocket. There was there's I mean

55:04

to different era.

55:06

They're bought off all theses.

55:08

That directed that documentary will be another test

55:10

case of the might of the Patriot

55:12

way.

55:14

Signettian friends see something different

55:16

right now though what they say. I see that

55:18

the walls of the forgers have

55:20

willingly and openly come down to some degree,

55:23

and what would have been a monumental

55:25

investigation for me

55:28

looks at it looks to me just to be a

55:30

situation with multiple unknown

55:32

final solutions. But I'm going to guide

55:34

you to what I think will happen here. Take us DRAWD

55:37

Mayo has been we don't need a triple

55:39

source when d Mayo is telling you things

55:41

himself. And I think here's the difference between DRAWD

55:44

Mayo and eighty eight.

55:45

Percent of the coaches out there.

55:47

He's openly said, I don't know how

55:49

good of a he said, I don't know how good of a head coach you'll

55:51

be.

55:52

I don't know if my general manager can do it. We don't

55:54

know yet.

55:55

And he said basically, look, I we

55:57

are still a team that needs so many things. They

55:59

need offensive tackle, wide receiver, quarterback,

56:02

running back, defense. So

56:04

priority is quarterback to get one. But

56:07

he has talked highly about Jacoby Brissett.

56:10

And I think this is a team because they need so

56:12

much and he's asked for patients that

56:14

they want to create the

56:16

environment where they can grow with maybe multiple

56:19

draft picks. And I think that because of what

56:21

happens at number two, again, the future is somewhat

56:23

of an unknown element.

56:25

A beautiful mystery. Aaron Rodgers would absolutely.

56:27

I think that trading down.

56:30

Might be their preference because

56:33

I think then the Patriots they have Jacoby

56:35

Brissett, can get you through this season and

56:37

you could acquire multiple draft picks

56:39

and start to rebuild a team that lacks

56:42

weapons all over the place. And I

56:44

think he's very open to that. This is not a one

56:46

person operation. I'm leaning in that direction

56:48

right now overtaking the third quarterback in

56:50

the draft that they may not be in love with.

56:52

All right, So and your

56:55

study of the reporting around the team

56:57

indicates at willingness to do

57:00

that. Now my question that I'd have for Signetti

57:02

and his associates the

57:05

Patriots have the stomach to potentially

57:08

pass on an

57:10

instant game changer at three when

57:13

we know, ay, moving

57:15

back, however far you move back, gives

57:17

you less of a chance of addressing that position effectively.

57:20

And b we already know there's

57:22

not a lot of.

57:23

Hype around the Cats at the quarterback

57:25

position next year, so this

57:28

they It's hard for me to imagine

57:30

that the Pats are going to look this opportunity

57:33

in the eye and say we're

57:35

gonna build the roster in a different way.

57:38

I think they're going to take a swing here. I really

57:40

feel that.

57:41

So I think it's not it's a possibility, But I do

57:43

think this that they just parted ways with

57:45

a very high, highly drafted quarterback,

57:48

and I believe they want to

57:50

create a better environment for who they bring

57:52

in. And I'm not worried about next year's draft class,

57:54

and I don't think they are yet. If it was anyone

57:56

who would be Jade and Daniels, but you've got to see who

57:58

falls them. I don't think it can be the just the third

58:01

guy they like off the board.

58:02

Unless it's JJ McCarthy and they go ahead.

58:04

With that would fit quarterback. I

58:07

don't think he's going to be there, I agree with I think he may go

58:09

number two.

58:10

Actually that factor.

58:12

Didn't and then see the Patriots

58:14

then passing on the presume number two

58:16

pick, that would be a

58:18

whole ton of guts and it would

58:20

leave them wide open for second guessing. I'll

58:23

just say this. You mentioned they took a big swing

58:25

on mac Jones. That was you know, it was a first round

58:28

pick, but it's a fifteenth overall pick. So

58:30

now they're living up in the in the penthouse

58:32

of the draft at number three. And

58:34

when's the last time the Patriots have been up there with a chance

58:36

to take a quarterback. We'll see,

58:39

we'll see. I'm not refuting anything Signetti

58:42

and his people.

58:42

I would say, unlike the Chicago report

58:45

and maybe even the Washington

58:47

that the Patriots are the first

58:49

like they could go A or B and we

58:52

need more time in this investigation to some degree,

58:54

which.

58:54

Takes us to the Cardinals. What

58:57

are they saying six.

58:58

The Cardinals control the entire

59:01

draft in my opinion, because we get

59:03

it like we're running out of quarterbacks at

59:05

number four and the Cardinals. I was

59:08

looking this up and mentioned this before the show, and this

59:10

is what creates the conundrum in our investigation.

59:13

They need a wide receiver, they need an edge

59:15

rusher, they need a cornerback. They need

59:17

defensive line, they need offensive tackles.

59:20

They need interior offensive line. That's your

59:22

entire offensive line. They need linebackers,

59:24

running backs, quarterbacks, a quarterback,

59:27

tight end, safety, punter, kicker,

59:29

and long snapper.

59:30

I agree with everything you just said, except for quarterback.

59:32

That's well, take a backup quarterback,

59:35

but that was rucially, that's deep down the

59:37

list.

59:37

But crucially, SIGs,

59:40

that's deep down.

59:40

They don't need a quarterback, which is what I

59:43

think what you're getting at here.

59:44

They don't need a quarterback. But look at

59:46

their wide receiver room right now.

59:48

Michael Wilson, good number two developmental

59:51

guy, maybe two point three, Greg

59:53

dertsch Zach Pascal. You have

59:55

Marvin Harrison Junior sitting there, and I think

59:57

what Cardinals fans want

1:00:00

for Kyler Murray and what they want for

1:00:02

their team after that, you know, unlike

1:00:05

not only like others. They passed on Adrian Peterson

1:00:07

back on the day, they passed on Terrell Suggs

1:00:09

back in the day. These are like arrows that stick

1:00:11

in Cardinals psyche going way

1:00:13

back. And so now the

1:00:15

bloodline of Marvin Harrison is dropping

1:00:17

to you at number four, presumably. And

1:00:20

yet I my investigation

1:00:22

tells me that GM monteasen

1:00:25

Fort, just like last year, is

1:00:27

very willing for a team with all those needs

1:00:29

yes to trade down. And this is where

1:00:32

I think the trade down happens. And this is where I

1:00:34

believe that the Denver Broncos.

1:00:37

It was Sean Payton who

1:00:39

called monte ausen Fort

1:00:41

one of the luckiest guys around and realistically

1:00:44

saying that this is where someone.

1:00:45

You stepping on your mock draft, Mark, be careful here

1:00:48

stepping on my own mock draft.

1:00:49

Yeah, I think this is that's Frank

1:00:51

Signetti.

1:00:53

I think they are.

1:00:54

I think this because this

1:00:56

is where if it does and

1:00:58

I believe I think Trey activity is going

1:01:00

to be wild in the first five picks.

1:01:02

I think the Patriots could be doing it.

1:01:04

But if the Broncos, for instance, can get a better

1:01:06

offer from the Cardinals and don't believe the Patriots

1:01:09

would take their quarterback. But that's danger

1:01:11

zone. I think the Cardinals are trading the pick

1:01:13

down, okay, And there's a number of people,

1:01:15

the Vikings, the Broncos that could trade up.

1:01:17

I really think the Vikings are love it here.

1:01:20

I love where you're coming from, Connie

1:01:22

or Frank new what

1:01:26

Frank three point zero makes so.

1:01:28

Much sense because that's the point I was

1:01:30

trying to make was that if they were

1:01:32

a team that needed a quarterback and they're in the top five,

1:01:35

take a swing at a quarterback or even move up to get a quarterback

1:01:38

you want. But they have this ability to

1:01:41

build the team with high level picks

1:01:44

and trading out of that spot to accumulate

1:01:46

make they make so much sense. And getting

1:01:49

the best wide receiver on the on the board. Also,

1:01:51

you couldn't kill them for it, but they could still

1:01:53

get a big time wide receiver in addition to multiple

1:01:56

extra first picks, including potential

1:01:59

first round picks.

1:02:00

But you could kill them for

1:02:02

drafting a wide receiver in that spot because

1:02:05

this draft is so stacked,

1:02:07

so deep with wide receiver point into

1:02:09

it. So with all of those needs that they

1:02:11

have, trade down you're still going to

1:02:13

get an incredible wide receiver and some other

1:02:16

amazing blue chip players unless.

1:02:18

They see that wide receiver

1:02:20

and so we're all like in lockstep that it feels

1:02:22

like an offensive skilled player here.

1:02:25

They're so in love with him. They see them as a Hall of Fame

1:02:27

talent.

1:02:28

If they see like another Larry Fitzgerald on

1:02:30

the board, in their opinion, maybe how

1:02:32

can you kill them if they if they're that strong and

1:02:34

that feeling it they're again, because that could change that

1:02:36

whole organization and give Kyler a reboot.

1:02:39

Interesting yep, Alien

1:02:44

and Signetti here we go. Okay,

1:02:47

another interesting team. I'd love

1:02:49

to know what you what you've seen,

1:02:51

what you've heard, who you're talking to?

1:02:53

Back to back diner stuff. Los

1:02:56

Angeles Chargers.

1:02:57

So many diners. I've been to so many diners,

1:03:00

so many years. Actually investigating this

1:03:02

team, it seems like they

1:03:04

always have a nose for trouble. They're

1:03:07

always getting themselves into these

1:03:09

situations and following

1:03:12

them over the years. It's like they can't get out of their

1:03:14

own way. So this time, though,

1:03:16

it feels different. It feels like they

1:03:19

got to get this draft right with Jim

1:03:21

Harball there now because he might have

1:03:23

Joe Horretz sleeping with the fishes if this

1:03:26

does not pan out correctly, if this first

1:03:29

round pick, which I mean that is the

1:03:32

most crucial, crucial one, and I feel like

1:03:34

there's been plenty of clues as far

1:03:36

as what they might do, but a real

1:03:38

breakthrough at the owner's meetings

1:03:41

when Jim Harball was

1:03:43

talking about that fifth pick and

1:03:45

how excited he was to have

1:03:48

it, and he said, hey, if four

1:03:50

quarterbacks don't go in a row,

1:03:53

he said, you know, maybe maybe there's still

1:03:56

another quarterback where we

1:03:58

are when the fifth pick comes around, somebody

1:04:00

wants to and then stopped himself. So

1:04:02

again, that'd be like having

1:04:04

the number one pick for us. But seems

1:04:07

like he wants to trade down,

1:04:10

and if he does, plenty

1:04:12

of options here. You can acquire

1:04:15

picks from a quarterback desperate team. You can

1:04:18

get a wide receiver, because look at their current

1:04:20

wide receiver group, I mean, Quinton

1:04:22

Johnson, Josh Palmer, Darius

1:04:25

Davis Faoco. This

1:04:28

is not Keenan Allen and Mike Williams

1:04:30

anymore. They're gone.

1:04:31

They stripped the entire cupboard.

1:04:33

That's it. Yeah, So maybe they

1:04:35

do end up getting a Marvin Harrison Junior,

1:04:37

if the Cardinals opt to trade

1:04:39

out of that spot. I mean, Harball

1:04:42

knows him well from coaching at Michigan,

1:04:44

having to face Ohio State so many times,

1:04:47

and what Marvin Harrison did to him and

1:04:49

his teams at Michigan wasn't good.

1:04:52

But also, maybe he goes Joe

1:04:54

Alt. Maybe he gets the best offensive

1:04:57

tackle out there, gives

1:04:59

someone that can protect

1:05:01

Justin Herbert after all of the injuries

1:05:03

that we've seen from Herbert over the years,

1:05:05

plus the run game that Jim Harball is absolutely

1:05:08

in love with. Maybe he goes with someone up front.

1:05:10

But I could also see them grabbing a tight

1:05:13

end this high because Rock Bowers

1:05:16

one of the most talented ever.

1:05:18

And in the AFC West where

1:05:20

the Chargers are and they're constantly

1:05:22

playing the Chiefs and

1:05:25

looking at a guy like Travis

1:05:27

Kelce. You have George Kittle out there who

1:05:29

played in the Super Bowl as well. Tight

1:05:32

Ends are different now and this guy can

1:05:35

catch, he can run, block, he can do it all. He's

1:05:37

a good route runner as well. So

1:05:39

Jim Harball loves a good tight end. And

1:05:41

that's one right there.

1:05:42

Okay, interesting, And

1:05:45

this is the team with serious history

1:05:47

at the tight end position Kellen Winslow senior

1:05:50

Tonio Gates. That

1:05:53

would be a Stunn this one

1:05:55

to me. Signetti really screams

1:05:58

to me, and bad coffee

1:06:02

and run down the.

1:06:03

Wrong there's no cream, there's no sugar.

1:06:07

Screams to me.

1:06:08

Alt The tackle that

1:06:10

aligns with what Harbor

1:06:13

is looking to do. Is anything

1:06:15

you're reading seeing anywhere about

1:06:19

JJ McCarthy the quarterback.

1:06:22

No Harb, No Harball

1:06:25

has Justin Herbert.

1:06:26

I know, but what if what if? Well,

1:06:28

in that case you that

1:06:30

would break the case wide open.

1:06:32

Well, and we have discussed the discussed

1:06:35

little whispers on this front before that, or

1:06:37

maybe they were self created whispers on just you know,

1:06:39

trying to try possibilities.

1:06:42

Isn't it just weird the timing of it all

1:06:45

that you would think Harball is

1:06:47

kind of an intense dude that just spent all these

1:06:49

years at Michigan, and maybe he loves that

1:06:51

kid and it just so happens.

1:06:53

That he's there.

1:06:55

If that's how you felt, I think

1:06:57

what you have to do is find

1:06:59

a way to make a blockbuster franchise

1:07:02

alter in trade of Justin Herbert to one

1:07:04

of the teams above you, because

1:07:08

JJ is not going to be there at number five that

1:07:10

all we have, every clue in the book

1:07:12

is telling us that he is like one of the He is

1:07:14

someone that is not going to be available.

1:07:16

You have a clue book. I feel like that would be helpful. Can

1:07:19

I get that?

1:07:20

Can I read the tea leaves are burning? And like

1:07:22

I, JJ is long gone by then.

1:07:24

So that would make the Chargers, who seem like a trade down

1:07:26

candidate, have to trade.

1:07:28

And I know Chargers fans are

1:07:31

screaming like, don't even bring this up.

1:07:33

It's ridiculous.

1:07:34

But that's what we got to do because we're we're

1:07:36

outside the mainstream right now. You have to think

1:07:38

you're in the underground way and we're just wondering

1:07:40

about that.

1:07:41

That's right. So a tight

1:07:43

end, maybe a tackle.

1:07:47

Wide receiver, wide receiver,

1:07:50

maybe the biggest trade of the last fourteen

1:07:52

years.

1:07:53

That would shake things up, really would. Let's

1:07:56

take a break and we'll hit the rest of the

1:07:58

back. Take

1:08:07

that base for a walk.

1:08:11

Hey, Joe, come in slow on

1:08:14

the high hat Billy

1:08:19

Bob article their ivories, they

1:08:23

saying, make that horn sing. I

1:08:27

feel uncomfortable. Number six,

1:08:32

All right, number six.

1:08:35

We got the giants. All

1:08:37

right, I've been up here all

1:08:40

over the Jersey Turnpike, up

1:08:42

and down that drive.

1:08:45

It's a lonely drive, it's

1:08:47

a grueling drive. But it's

1:08:49

time to really go over the

1:08:52

clues, the cold cases,

1:08:54

the various hunches you might

1:08:57

have. You just got time time to think

1:08:59

to yourself.

1:09:00

Sometimes it's the worst thing to do all

1:09:02

alone with your own thoughts.

1:09:04

But it's all part of the investigation,

1:09:06

all part of the job. And part of that was

1:09:09

to hear what John Marra had to say

1:09:11

about Joe Shane and Brian Aball

1:09:14

going into year three together at the owner's

1:09:16

meetings. That's what I needed to hear.

1:09:19

What did the big man say?

1:09:20

Well, John Marra

1:09:23

came out and said, if Joe

1:09:25

Shane and Brian Abell have conviction

1:09:27

on a quarterback at the top of the draft, he

1:09:30

supports going in to get him. He's

1:09:33

still confident in Daniel Jones,

1:09:35

but says, why not bring in someone

1:09:37

to compete and let the best

1:09:39

man win. He

1:09:42

also said that it's ridiculous

1:09:44

the Giants haven't fixed their offensive

1:09:46

line after all these years,

1:09:50

so I don't know, maybe

1:09:52

one of these could be a red herring, you

1:09:54

don't know.

1:09:56

I thought it was very notable that the big Man Mara

1:10:00

seemingly gave the green light to make the move. A make

1:10:02

a move on QB.

1:10:03

Exactly because one would think, all

1:10:06

right, on the surface, you're gonna go wide receiver,

1:10:09

you don't have any Maybe go ah

1:10:11

Molik neighbors just like Odell.

1:10:14

You get a wide receiver one from LSU.

1:10:17

Repeat history a little bit. They haven't had

1:10:19

a one thousand yard receiver since

1:10:21

they traded away Odell. But

1:10:25

I just don't I don't know if that. I don't

1:10:27

feel that is the correct

1:10:29

way that they're gonna go. They

1:10:31

could go Joe Walt again there

1:10:33

if he's still on the board and fix that

1:10:35

offensive line, but that doesn't

1:10:37

feel right either. I think

1:10:39

what ends up happening. I think

1:10:41

the Giants they don't

1:10:44

they don't draft a quarterback at where

1:10:46

they are.

1:10:47

They move up their move

1:10:49

another trade.

1:10:50

We've got I think six teams, but

1:10:53

I think they move up with the

1:10:55

Patriots, and I think that they

1:10:58

take Drake May at three, and

1:11:01

that's what ends up happening, and.

1:11:03

That could dig it.

1:11:04

That lines up with what

1:11:06

I've been feeling and hearing about the Patriots

1:11:08

based on the whispers.

1:11:10

Really well, that's what I tell me more two

1:11:12

Francs.

1:11:12

The Patriots were candidates

1:11:14

to trade down and you got the Giants,

1:11:17

These two Patriots, these two teams feel kind

1:11:19

of linked to And I

1:11:21

think maraa Maa is basically

1:11:23

saying I'd be.

1:11:25

Open to it.

1:11:25

But anyone wise enough knows that you're not getting

1:11:28

that guy at number six, So you've got to do something

1:11:30

different. And I think Daniel Jones, no matter what they

1:11:32

say with their pretty little words, is yesterday's

1:11:35

news in the Meadowlands.

1:11:42

Tennessee Titans at

1:11:45

number seven.

1:11:47

I was told by our friend Chris

1:11:49

Westling that the Tennessee

1:11:51

Titans were in the Midwest. As

1:11:55

I steered my vehicle

1:11:58

down through the country. I don't fly, I

1:12:00

just like to I just kind of whind the car down

1:12:02

to think to process.

1:12:04

Do you have like a Maddenmobile?

1:12:07

It's an old beat up JEALOPPI and I switch cars

1:12:09

every three months. Smart and

1:12:11

I they come from parts on now.

1:12:13

And he got a whole trunk full of license

1:12:16

plate. Cell phone, Yes, what's

1:12:18

what's the cell phone?

1:12:20

Don't have one.

1:12:22

Tennessee in my in my world is in the South.

1:12:24

So I saw that investigation for

1:12:26

myself. You know,

1:12:29

Signetti is fifty eight years old. When

1:12:31

we used to talk about him, he was in his late forties. But

1:12:33

he's got a lot on his plate and he's

1:12:35

humble enough to get help sometimes. Because

1:12:38

my investigation of the Titans, here's a team

1:12:41

that new coaching staff hired

1:12:43

a bunch of parts off the free

1:12:45

agency list. Calvin Ridley,

1:12:47

Tony Pollard. These aren't they don't blow me away, but

1:12:49

they still have one burning knee. They were the

1:12:52

worst offensive line arguably in football

1:12:54

over the last two seasons. And this is where

1:12:56

I believe because the Giants are going to do what we think

1:12:59

before. Here sits your left

1:13:01

tackle, Joealt. But I

1:13:03

like to lean on some of my best

1:13:05

sources, and I had someone who was willing

1:13:08

to go on the record.

1:13:11

Directly, and here it

1:13:13

is. What's

1:13:15

up, Fellas Grave Digger.

1:13:17

Here I want to give my take on what

1:13:19

the Titans will do in the top ten of the draft

1:13:21

this year. Look, there is no secret

1:13:23

they need a left tackle. They've addressed

1:13:25

many of their needs in free agency. Still

1:13:28

have a big hole it inside linebacker. Probably

1:13:30

need a safety, probably need someone else on the d line.

1:13:32

You're not taking that in the first round. I don't think

1:13:35

if Joe Alt the tackle out of Notre

1:13:37

Dame is on the board, I think you write it

1:13:39

an ink, he is the Titans pick. If

1:13:41

he's not there, maybe they look to

1:13:43

go Dallas Turner on the edge. Maybe they look

1:13:46

at the second best tackle, someone like Olufashanu.

1:13:48

There's reports that they love JC Latham.

1:13:50

I think the Titans have to get a tackle

1:13:53

here. Ran Karthun recently said it's

1:13:55

a deep tackle class. There will be guys available

1:13:57

throughout the draft, but I don't know if you can risk it.

1:14:00

You gotta find out. If will Lovis is the guy. They've

1:14:02

done a great job surrounding him with pieces

1:14:04

and weapons, building up that defense,

1:14:06

trading for Lagarious Need. The last

1:14:08

missing piece here is a stalwart left tackle.

1:14:11

If Joe alt is on the board at seven, I

1:14:13

think he is the Titans pick.

1:14:15

I'm hip to that cat.

1:14:16

And I'll tell you one more thing about the grave digger. That

1:14:20

Titans helmet moves real quick

1:14:22

and circles behind.

1:14:23

Him, just spinning around, spinning.

1:14:26

I mean, he's on that beat, and he's been on it for a

1:14:28

long time. As the wrong side of the tracks.

1:14:30

That was a thorough autopsy that he

1:14:32

did on the on the Titans.

1:14:34

He is the grave. He's got he's doing a lot

1:14:36

of different jobs.

1:14:37

He has his fingerprints on everything.

1:14:39

The post mortem side of things makes

1:14:42

a lot of sense. You

1:14:44

know what else makes sense?

1:14:45

At number eight? What the

1:14:49

Falcons?

1:14:50

What they have going on?

1:14:52

One of one of our

1:14:54

favorite draft tropes, teams

1:14:57

who draft all on one side of the ba

1:15:00

all to make a point,

1:15:03

the Falcons could be one of those teams this year on

1:15:06

the defensive side. The

1:15:10

quandary they face and in my

1:15:12

h.

1:15:15

My conversations and my

1:15:17

research, in

1:15:20

my.

1:15:21

Fearless ability to just go to places

1:15:24

other people fear.

1:15:25

To tread train

1:15:27

tracks, you're going across them.

1:15:28

Right across those tracks.

1:15:30

They're a trained common not even checking, doesn't

1:15:32

matter, doesn't matter, you're concerned.

1:15:35

Kind of would be my concervative. Went at the wrong

1:15:37

moment, you'd find out a second too

1:15:39

late.

1:15:39

The train stops for signetti. Signetti

1:15:42

doesn't stop for the train.

1:15:44

I hope, I hope it stops. I hope Frank

1:15:46

makes anyway.

1:15:47

The quandary they face is whether

1:15:50

to take the sure thing quote

1:15:52

unquote. At number eight, and and let's

1:15:54

let's be serious about this. The draft board

1:15:56

is set up beautifully for this

1:15:59

team because because of

1:16:01

their needs, which on the other side of the football

1:16:03

where at the top of this draft is living

1:16:06

and they are set at quarterback, and

1:16:10

they have the quarterback, they have the wide receiver

1:16:12

talent, So

1:16:16

do they trade back?

1:16:17

That makes a lot of sense.

1:16:19

Try to fill multiple holes.

1:16:24

It's perhaps more sensible, but you really

1:16:26

don't trust your football people. You're gonna move out

1:16:28

of the top ten here. But in the

1:16:30

end, and I'm

1:16:32

reading just in the

1:16:35

frustration around the organization that I

1:16:37

imagine is also happening inside the walls

1:16:40

at Flowery Branch, the

1:16:45

curse of John Abraham is strong there. Oh

1:16:48

on, what a curse it is. I

1:16:50

think it's going to be too much to ignore for Terry Fono

1:16:53

and Raheem Morris. I

1:16:56

pulled up the John Abraham

1:16:58

Pro Football Reference. Is

1:17:00

something smelled rotten?

1:17:03

What'd you find?

1:17:05

Well?

1:17:05

As we talked about on the show, Abraham

1:17:09

started his career with the Jets. He

1:17:11

left as a free agent after the two thousand

1:17:13

and five season, and

1:17:15

the Jets have been looking for an edge rusher really ever

1:17:17

since. And now

1:17:19

it's the Falcons who saw

1:17:22

him leave in free agency after the twenty twelve

1:17:24

season. They've been looking for an edge

1:17:26

rusher, since it's Abraham that ties

1:17:28

the whole conspiracy together. I

1:17:33

think the Falcons, with

1:17:35

a plethora of pass rushers at

1:17:38

their disposal, will not move

1:17:40

and they are going to say we've had enough

1:17:43

of this waiting game for the next Abraham

1:17:45

and will take the cat that we like most.

1:17:48

So I'm not even going to tell you they're going to take. There are a lot of.

1:17:51

Mock drafts out there that have big

1:17:54

time edge rushers staring

1:17:56

at them, so they're gonna have their pick of the litter most

1:17:58

likely, and I think that's what they do. They take

1:18:00

the best pass rusher could

1:18:02

be the first defensive player off the board, and

1:18:06

that's the move they make. And everything I'm

1:18:08

reading tells

1:18:10

me this team thinks that

1:18:12

they could really contend in that conference

1:18:15

if they hit on a

1:18:17

big edge rusher, use the rest of that draft

1:18:20

to continue to build out the defense, and then

1:18:22

hope Raheem could build it up further once

1:18:24

he has a roster.

1:18:26

I think that's what I got a tipster telling me Dallas

1:18:29

Turner might be their guy at Alabama.

1:18:31

That would make that is the guy at edge

1:18:34

and there aren't a lot of them, and that's

1:18:37

that makes sense. And I think if you're Raheem Morris

1:18:39

and you're working well with Terry Fanho, you've

1:18:41

come in quickly. You've found the quarterback that they

1:18:44

lacked in these frustrating last

1:18:46

three years. You're

1:18:48

now killing curses that

1:18:51

have plagued the Falcons for a long time. And

1:18:53

you give Raheem Morris his guy, which

1:18:57

takes us to the ninth pick, and we're back with the Chicago

1:19:00

Bears, the

1:19:02

monsters of that meaning, these.

1:19:05

Cats are feeling good about themselves because they

1:19:07

took Caleb Williams.

1:19:09

At number one.

1:19:10

So now what Now

1:19:13

we know they got Keenan Allen Okay

1:19:15

at receiver and talking

1:19:18

to some people and reading some things.

1:19:21

They weren't expecting that they said

1:19:23

that they're on record. Ryan Pulls, the GM said Keenan

1:19:26

Allen's he popped up. It

1:19:29

wasn't something that they had been working on for weeks.

1:19:33

It wasn't on the radar until the Chargers realized

1:19:35

they had to move on. They

1:19:41

called it a quote this part of the athletic, a really

1:19:44

cool opportunity. That's

1:19:46

a hard bullet quote from where we are headed,

1:19:51

which is going to be hang

1:19:53

on missed the quote, called

1:19:57

it a really cool opportunity that

1:19:59

popp up.

1:20:00

They made the move.

1:20:01

Keenan Allen, I think

1:20:03

wide receiver was an option at

1:20:06

nine, and I think it's more likely

1:20:08

they move away at this point from

1:20:11

that group, even though there's going to potentially be

1:20:13

some or there will be still

1:20:16

big time names there. And

1:20:19

then I think about the defense. They are trying

1:20:22

to figure out what their defensive line.

1:20:25

You have.

1:20:26

Matty Eberflus

1:20:29

was on the record saying that

1:20:32

you need an interior interior

1:20:34

defensive line and

1:20:37

an interior defensive lineman that could be

1:20:39

a major impact player. Irvin

1:20:47

Dexter, second year player, former

1:20:49

second round pick. They liked his development,

1:20:52

but would they look for a hog Molly

1:20:54

at the top of this round.

1:20:56

I think that could be it as well.

1:20:58

So I think you look and looking on the defensive

1:21:01

side of the ball with this team, and

1:21:04

I think you're going to see that's.

1:21:06

Where they end up going.

1:21:10

I like it.

1:21:10

I like it.

1:21:11

A lot of eyewitness accounts have been

1:21:13

also saying that they've seen some things

1:21:16

that might lead you to believe that that's

1:21:18

the direction they're going in, but only

1:21:20

Signetti is really truly knowing.

1:21:22

I think also Signetti, he's

1:21:24

going to a great judge of character and

1:21:27

how people transform and change. And

1:21:30

I get the sense that Flus is going to

1:21:32

get his way because this has been in the last couple

1:21:34

of weeks and months. He's grown a beard

1:21:36

and changed his hair a little bit. He just looks

1:21:39

confident. He feels like, you know.

1:21:40

He's just go on the run.

1:21:42

Well there's that too, and he's changed. Oh

1:21:45

yeah, it feels like an odd time to leave the Bears as head

1:21:47

coach compared to other scenarios

1:21:49

coaches have been in.

1:21:51

But we'd be telling him we've got.

1:21:53

Our eye on them, which

1:21:56

takes us finally at a number ten, the

1:21:58

New York Jets, And I

1:22:01

think the entire football

1:22:04

industry was locked in on this, these

1:22:06

Cats going for an offensive lineman after

1:22:12

you know, the disaster that was their line last

1:22:14

season, Aaron Rodgers' injury, which

1:22:16

by the way, came not to pile

1:22:18

on poor Dwayne Brown, but came on a miss

1:22:21

block on the fourth

1:22:23

play of the season that led to the achilles

1:22:25

injury. But then they went

1:22:27

out and they got Tyron Smith, and

1:22:30

they added two other starters

1:22:32

in addition to Smith and free agency in one week

1:22:36

and now makes people think, oh,

1:22:38

they're done at offensive line, and

1:22:41

they could be. There's a lot of people

1:22:43

connecting to that Bowers kid the tight end. I

1:22:47

know the Jets have a bit of a cursed history at

1:22:50

tight end in the first round, so

1:22:52

I'd be a little jumpy about that if

1:22:54

I were them.

1:22:57

If there's a big time wide receiver Mike

1:23:00

Williams. I know they added Mike Williams, that's

1:23:04

a one year deal. Potentially, I wouldn't

1:23:06

rule out them going after a wide receiver here,

1:23:09

but I do think they might

1:23:11

surprise people and stay with

1:23:13

the initial plan and take an offensive

1:23:16

tackle the best guy on the board.

1:23:17

They're not going to get Alt.

1:23:18

If Alt was still there, they would run up

1:23:21

to the podium, but he should be long gone by ten.

1:23:24

I think they take the second best aligneman on

1:23:26

the board, somebody that they like a lot, and

1:23:29

it gives you that injury protection on the line

1:23:31

and a successor to

1:23:34

Tyron Smith or whomever.

1:23:36

They decide to kind of plug this guy in.

1:23:38

He'll find a role quickly because

1:23:40

guess what offensive lineman get injured. You

1:23:42

know who else gets injured, older

1:23:45

offensive lineman. I still think it's a major need

1:23:47

for this team, and I think they still end up taking Hogmley

1:23:49

offensive Lineman.

1:23:50

I really I like that.

1:23:52

I think that Joe Douglas does

1:23:55

not want to mess around with that entire

1:23:57

position group. I do find it interesting,

1:24:00

and I know you have a hot and cold relationship with

1:24:02

this fellow draft investigator, and

1:24:04

you'll Jeremiah.

1:24:06

I'm sure he's hearing things.

1:24:08

And I can't think of someone that seems more

1:24:10

closely kind of linked to Joe Douglass

1:24:13

here and there. And this could just

1:24:15

be him creating something that's gonna get

1:24:17

clicks.

1:24:17

I don't think so.

1:24:18

But he has them trading up in

1:24:20

his latest mock to number five

1:24:23

with the Chargers to get Marvin Harrison

1:24:25

Junior.

1:24:26

I believe that that draft came out

1:24:29

or the mock draft came out a day before the

1:24:31

Mike Williams trade.

1:24:32

I would I would say that, like, just

1:24:35

because you have Mike Williams, you'l like Tyron

1:24:37

Smith and Mike Williams are both players that you can

1:24:39

count on for maybe ten or eleven games a season,

1:24:41

and you're gonna lose them, Like if

1:24:44

you can do this, or even

1:24:46

if it's Roma Dounzay, I just say, if it's Mark, if you

1:24:48

had it, if they if they had it in their head that there's some whisper

1:24:50

that we're gonna try this, then you have

1:24:52

Marvin Harrison Junior as a Hall of

1:24:54

Fame potential talent for the next half decade.

1:24:57

It's not even about Aaron Rodgers. You just have someone to

1:24:59

pair with. You'd have the best wide receiver

1:25:01

tandem in the AFC.

1:25:03

Well, I have. I have a little

1:25:05

bit of a situation that I'm working on right now

1:25:07

that a little bit of a lead. Usually

1:25:09

my sparrows will sing like canaries

1:25:12

when I asked them about what's going on specifically.

1:25:15

In classes are really paying off?

1:25:17

Oh god, I have a dozen ten years? Get off my back.

1:25:20

However, I will say that

1:25:24

from a very reliable source, at

1:25:26

the owner's meetings, there was a

1:25:29

very heated conversation between

1:25:33

Woody and Robert Sala

1:25:36

to the point where it was a little

1:25:38

awkward. What were

1:25:41

they arguing about?

1:25:43

Where was this?

1:25:44

Tell us more at the owner's meetings, at

1:25:46

the the party, at the party last

1:25:48

night, I'm

1:25:50

surprised.

1:25:51

I'm surprised that has happened.

1:25:52

In developing news here.

1:25:56

Can we just make news.

1:25:58

I'm just saying that who and hey,

1:26:00

who knows could have been about anything. Maybe

1:26:03

they were disagreeing on how

1:26:05

they liked their steak cooked.

1:26:07

Doubt that, though probably

1:26:09

not anything very interesting.

1:26:11

So so an argument between

1:26:14

the head coach and.

1:26:14

The owner, wouldn't say argument of just

1:26:17

a passionate

1:26:19

exchange. What

1:26:22

were they discussing? That is the

1:26:24

lightest lead you did.

1:26:25

Your source said it

1:26:27

to the to it reached the point where

1:26:30

it was almost.

1:26:30

Awkward stle awkward. The awkward

1:26:33

So was.

1:26:33

It was it around in the

1:26:35

midst of a larger group

1:26:38

or was it off to the side, Like what made it awkward?

1:26:41

I think just the body language

1:26:43

potentially, but.

1:26:44

The fact that a coach is arguing with an owner, which

1:26:46

I don't think I've ever seen at a bar.

1:26:48

Were they alone having the argument or were

1:26:50

they part.

1:26:50

Of a I'm not saying it's an argument,

1:26:53

saying.

1:26:54

The heated exchange passionate

1:26:56

exchange.

1:26:57

Yes, a lively conversation.

1:26:59

Where they have kind of on their own having

1:27:01

this conversation. Or was it part of a large group.

1:27:03

It's two of them,

1:27:05

so what

1:27:07

was that about?

1:27:10

That's or de coonzic that he does.

1:27:14

My guess it might have been potentially

1:27:16

about this very conversation we're having right now.

1:27:18

The number ten.

1:27:19

Overall, Well, the love that it's

1:27:21

been unearthed, gonna hop

1:27:23

in the Lincoln Continental with

1:27:25

the moon roof, drive

1:27:28

on down to wherever they are, the

1:27:31

Lincoln Continent.

1:27:33

Let's take a break, it will wrap up.

1:27:47

All right, we're back. The

1:27:50

show is continuing, for God's sakes.

1:27:52

Thank you, Mark. All

1:27:55

Right, there we go.

1:27:56

That was the signette breakdown of

1:27:58

the that the sir the top ten

1:28:02

and uh, but

1:28:04

I I'm still that was a little bit of a bout those

1:28:06

developing news.

1:28:07

I thought. Uh. And again

1:28:09

it wasn't.

1:28:10

An argument and and and let me just

1:28:12

speak clear, just heated

1:28:14

conversation and was

1:28:17

not last night was Sunday night, So Monday

1:28:19

nights ago Sunday night.

1:28:20

But just so we have the setting correct, they have the owner's

1:28:23

meetings. And then there's and we've been a part of this party

1:28:25

in the past, right, there's a large party

1:28:27

on an open lawn type setup.

1:28:29

It was that party, not like a separate bar type

1:28:31

late night out.

1:28:32

It was that.

1:28:33

It was It was not the big party that was last night.

1:28:35

That's like the oh so it wasn't that

1:28:37

party. No, okay, it was Sunday

1:28:40

night and it was

1:28:42

according to my source, super awkward.

1:28:46

So it's observed by many people that I would assume

1:28:49

or multiple multiple take.

1:28:50

Well that is, I

1:28:52

mean that could be anything.

1:28:53

Obviously, well there's smoke, there's fire.

1:28:56

I mean they could have been They could have been arguing

1:28:58

over I don't know, like the

1:29:00

who versus led Zeppel.

1:29:01

I don't think I would.

1:29:03

Desmited, Like the year

1:29:05

contest that Dave Damishek used to run.

1:29:07

Would have been the fruit of the year. Yeah, I mean,

1:29:09

we don't know.

1:29:10

It's the last time Woody Johnson like went into a

1:29:12

grocery store and felt fruit and find out

1:29:14

that really come up.

1:29:15

He's definitely hit the way Room looks beefy.

1:29:19

It could have been about that, you know, could

1:29:22

have been about Zach Wilson, because

1:29:25

by the way.

1:29:26

And the comments that with Johnson made that make

1:29:28

no sense for the way that team needs to proceed.

1:29:31

Woody had to Woody, as we quickly

1:29:33

addressed in the eight o'clock Delight came

1:29:37

out and said a few weeks back

1:29:39

that you know, our season was room because we didn't have a quarterback,

1:29:42

making it very clear that they didn't think highly of Zach

1:29:44

Wilson and they were moving on and then walked

1:29:47

back at the owner's meetings in

1:29:49

a way that was like very obviously

1:29:52

transparent saying, oh, we

1:29:54

we'd have him back.

1:29:55

Sure, It's like, no, could it be

1:29:57

about that? We don't know.

1:29:58

That would make some sense though, because I think that that whole

1:30:00

thing burned down everyone quarterback

1:30:02

coached GM.

1:30:03

It's like you're doing that again.

1:30:05

Also owners and head coaches, I'm

1:30:07

sure in every building, but had some

1:30:09

time to time. But in a public setting that's

1:30:12

signetti at.

1:30:14

Now how public this was, I don't know, but

1:30:17

it was seen.

1:30:18

Keep sleuthing, Colleen,

1:30:21

What a what a morning into afternoon

1:30:24

for you.

1:30:25

I know you've done it again. You've said

1:30:27

it all.

1:30:27

Thank you. It's great to be back with you guys.

1:30:30

And yes we'll be there.

1:30:33

She is the call and we'll

1:30:35

be back on Thursday with the

1:30:38

great But oh

1:30:41

oh.

1:30:41

Man, I always get so excited to see you here.

1:30:43

He lost he lost part of the it's

1:30:46

the one that hits the boot.

1:30:48

You know.

1:30:48

We're not hard on him about it. We're just we

1:30:51

just understand it's a thing that we work with it

1:30:53

up.

1:30:54

It was the slow jazz of the whole entire

1:30:56

show just kind of loaded me to sleep back here. Look

1:30:58

on the trigger. I'm looking for the clothes button. It's

1:31:00

just kind of.

1:31:01

I'm sorry, we're boring you.

1:31:04

I'm just saying it was I was really relaxed.

1:31:06

I was wasn't on my toes like I usually am. So

1:31:08

I jumped to another folder and.

1:31:10

So it had nothing to do with the missing portion

1:31:12

of the thumb. No good, How was

1:31:14

that going on?

1:31:14

Like nine?

1:31:16

No way, that's great.

1:31:19

Body's crazy human body,

1:31:21

ladies and gentlemen, a miracle.

1:31:23

Let's go. Uh yeah, so we'll be back.

1:31:25

We have a special guest uh joining us

1:31:27

on Thursday show, Connor

1:31:30

or We're gonna have some fun with Connor.

1:31:33

Yeah.

1:31:33

But until then, thank you, Connie, thank you

1:31:35

for listening. Thank you Frank Signetti wherever

1:31:38

you are and heed

1:31:40

the call.