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Around the NFL Podcast

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asn't lost Mark to the desert

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yet.

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Hello, and welcome to day two

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from Radio Row in Las Vegas of the Around

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the NFL Podcast presented

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by Draft Kings. Dan

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hansis here, of course, with the heroes

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Greg Rosenthal and Mark

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Sessler.

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I think we should start here.

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GREGI Mark, how

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you feeling, dog, because there

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were it was a little touch and go yesterday looking

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at.

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You, and I feel, you know, I typically

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feel terrible when that's happening, because it's like people

0:38

are having to listen to someone's voice that is not

0:41

Radio Row ready, and Greg is looking

0:43

at me, and I understand, like, is this person

0:45

gonna fall? So no,

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I would say I was at twelve

0:50

percent yesterday. I'm in about forty thirty

0:52

eight percent.

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Okay, that's great, that's great.

0:54

In fact, we we took

0:56

a car to get

0:58

to Radio Row, and leads with the

1:00

fact that he thinks that he might be

1:02

on the way out and his illness is raging,

1:05

and I could see the driver getting very uncomfortable

1:08

in like a March twenty twenty kind of way.

1:11

I like, you know, in this huge, vast

1:14

Radio Row, like a lot of people were huddling

1:16

together and talking and catching up.

1:18

There's a seat over by the wall over there.

1:20

I was just sitting over there, trying to respect

1:22

everyone else.

1:23

Is one does as

1:25

one does.

1:26

It wouldn't be your normal antisocial proclivities

1:29

that are contributing.

1:29

To I don't think you're sitting against that wall.

1:32

No matter what.

1:32

Well, in this case, it benefited multiple.

1:35

I hope you remember this.

1:36

You say you have no recollection of what happened

1:38

yesterday.

1:39

No, we we had to.

1:40

That sounds like more than a.

1:41

Out of there. And uh, it's

1:44

got to be a big.

1:44

Show, you know.

1:46

So excited because this is this

1:49

is the episode.

1:49

Of the year for me.

1:51

Guest wise and reviews

1:53

are in the premiere,

1:56

the pilot episode of Mark's

1:59

Man Cave.

2:00

People love it.

2:01

They love the energy, they love the tone, they

2:03

love the conversation. Coming up today,

2:06

it's the Sauce Dog Spectacular.

2:12

Sauce Dog.

2:14

We have Sauce Gardner, New

2:16

York Jets Superstar. We

2:18

have Chris mad Dog Russo, icon

2:22

of sports media, both on

2:24

the show today.

2:25

And if that's not if that's not enough,

2:29

we got a pipe here.

2:30

We got a pipe

2:33

in person, which was an incredible

2:35

surprise to me because it

2:37

was off my radar. Nick Shook, who

2:40

is so important to our

2:42

show during the season,

2:45

is here covering the forty nine ers, and

2:48

he had an interesting bar experience that we're gonna

2:50

get to later yesterday that really tied

2:53

it to our show in a really neat

2:55

way.

2:55

So here we are. What a show

2:58

again?

2:58

This is the Sauce Dog

3:01

Spectacular.

3:06

With a little side of pipe.

3:09

Well, I love anything with the side of pipe.

3:11

And it's our previous show too. You know,

3:13

we're we're diving in. No One I'd rather

3:15

do it with than Shook and

3:18

uh, no one I'd rather fawn over

3:20

and tell the same sort of stories as

3:22

we introduce how we grew up listening to him

3:24

than Mad Dogs.

3:26

But we can skip that part this time.

3:27

Greg maybe is less into that aspect of it.

3:29

I love Mad Dog. I don't want to hear that. You

3:32

know.

3:32

It's like you could say some you know, someone

3:34

who's a pessimist could say that we cater some

3:37

of our guest appearances to our own personal

3:39

interest. We've had two Browns, We're gonna have a jet, We're

3:41

gonna have a Shook is everyone's interest,

3:44

but Mad Dog our childhood hero. But

3:46

you know what, you go do a podcast for twelve years

3:48

and bring a guest on that you want to bring on?

3:50

Is it whose show?

3:51

Is it?

3:51

It's our show?

3:52

A bit?

3:53

Well, can I get like a pro woman's

3:55

tennis player on the show or something?

3:56

Let's get I would say stephie

3:59

Graff.

3:59

He has been getting out in the mix

4:02

more lately.

4:02

See if we get Steph a little uh

4:05

now already I'm in the whole little bit with

4:07

the tennis corn of Coba.

4:08

Can see if sell us

4:11

in a big spot. Yes, let's go with the.

4:14

Little Chrissy Evert Martina.

4:16

And by the way, mad Dog he loves talking tennis

4:18

too, So if you were to get a tennis question

4:20

in there, why don't you do that, Craig.

4:22

I'm sure that would be of interest to our listeners.

4:25

When he died solo shows, he talked tennis for

4:28

an hour on a ripley.

4:29

He would love it, Craig.

4:30

I think what what Greg was indirectly

4:32

saying is he doesn't want

4:34

you to tell the story about driving with your dad in

4:36

the car listening to Mad Dog on Saturdays again.

4:38

I think we've covered.

4:42

But I would love it because mad Dog's in here like

4:44

he's never heard it before, so right, all

4:47

right, so let's get into it. I mean enough

4:50

enough, because right now, as

4:53

has been mentioned, it's

4:55

time for the Sauce Dog Spectacular Part

4:58

one. Toss

5:01

Gardner of the New York Jets, All

5:03

Pro, former

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Defensive Rookie of the Year, the

5:09

best player on my favorite team in the world.

5:11

This is cool. This is what it's cool to be here.

5:14

What's up, Sauce? How are you?

5:15

I'm great, man. I appreciate you all for having me. You

5:17

know, it's a blessing to be here.

5:19

And tell us, yeah, tell us what you're doing with Verizon

5:22

now, it's.

5:22

Always great to you know how my

5:25

name of Verizon ain't mentioned in the same sentence.

5:27

I'm a huge fan of them and I'll just enjoy working

5:29

with them. Like I said,

5:31

I'm here on behalf of Verizon, you

5:33

know, the official Viagey Network go to the NFL,

5:36

a network that the majority, if

5:38

not all, of the NFL players,

5:40

fans and coaches rely on. So, you

5:43

know, it's a blessing to be here.

5:44

How do you feel about this is the Sauce

5:46

Dog Spectacular kind of being the opening

5:49

act here for Mad Doc Russo coming on

5:51

later in.

5:51

The show's fire right

5:53

there. I like that.

5:54

Okay, I like that. I'm glad you're

5:56

with it.

5:57

You got a sound effect and everything.

5:58

I think that I saw them looking in your eye with hit it

6:03

sauce.

6:04

Here's a theory to get into things.

6:07

You know, this Chiefs team, your

6:09

Jets, our Jets. We

6:12

kind of beat them in Week four.

6:14

If the officials didn't shenanigans.

6:17

Let's be real.

6:18

I don't know if you could say it, but I could say shenanigans

6:21

by the transit of property. If the Chiefs went

6:23

on Sunday, the Jets are the super Bowl champions.

6:25

Yeah, your name.

6:30

I guess Jets fans can possibly say that.

6:33

But you know, reality is everything.

6:36

So if it's not actually saying Jets

6:38

super Bowl, then we ain't win it.

6:40

What was it like going up against them at

6:42

that point in the season and everything and what they

6:44

kind of presented to you, Like, how is it different?

6:47

It was great, you know, a competitive,

6:49

a whole bunch of elite players on that team.

6:52

You know, I still

6:54

feel like we should have won that game. No, come on,

6:57

you know what I'm saying.

6:58

Did they get you on one of those penalties?

7:00

Oh?

7:00

Yeah they did?

7:00

Oh come on, you're gonna analyze sauce

7:03

in the fourth quarter of crunch Time, it.

7:06

Was it makes me sick, it

7:08

does What did you What did you learn about Patrick

7:10

Mahomes in that game?

7:11

Oh?

7:12

You got lucky.

7:13

Now I learned that he you know how

7:16

to how

7:18

do I put this when this crunch

7:20

time? You know exactly what to do? You know the

7:22

guys to rely on, you know, win and went not to

7:24

do certain things. He's just

7:27

a smart player.

7:28

He made those big plays with his legs I remember

7:30

in the game, and always an underrated

7:33

part of his game. And we're gonna,

7:35

I'm sure see more of that. So it's

7:38

interesting two years ago and you talked to a

7:40

million people and so probably

7:42

don't remember, but like an hour after

7:44

you were drafted, we had you on the show right

7:47

here in Vegas, and I was

7:49

giving you the sad sack Jet fan routine

7:51

of like when's things one of the things is gonna get better?

7:53

And you kind of cut me off, which I loved, and you're like, that's

7:56

in the past, that's over, Like I don't care what

7:58

happened before I got here. And of course

8:00

then you and Garrett and us

8:02

young Nucleus is coming together and you've made

8:05

steps.

8:05

Of course, still.

8:07

There's been disappointment in

8:09

the two years for the team, and the Rogers injury it

8:11

was an all time blow for

8:13

the franchise in terms of gut punch. Like I'm

8:18

I'm usually an optimistic fan, but I'm worried

8:21

about where things are and how things go moving

8:23

forward. Could you do me the favor of spinning

8:25

things and making me and Jets

8:28

fans feel good about what's gonna happen this year

8:30

and maybe this is the year things change.

8:32

Make Dan happy, make him feel better or try.

8:34

I don't know if you could.

8:35

I mean, Aaron be Back defense,

8:38

we're gonna do what we do, special

8:40

teams, We're gonna do what we do. Like

8:42

I said Aaron to b Back, would

8:45

it be bring us new pieces in for the

8:47

offense, and

8:49

those new pieces gonna be great for the offense, great

8:51

additions. We're gonna dominate.

8:54

I feel it. I feel the confidence, all right, I felt

8:57

it from day one and get there.

8:58

Now you're working on a one game winning

9:00

streak against the Patriots. I'm a Patriots fan,

9:03

and so I remember

9:05

the Jets Patriots game at the end of the season

9:07

more than probably the average NFL fan who

9:09

was not paying that close attention to that game, But

9:12

at that point in the season, he kind of figured it was the

9:14

end of Bill Belichick and so

9:16

many things that happened for the first time

9:19

in the Belichick era or a streaks ended.

9:21

But the one thing he had left in life,

9:23

the one thing he had left with the Patriots,

9:25

was that winning streak against

9:28

the Jets, and you took that away from

9:30

him.

9:30

How do you feel about doing that on his way

9:32

out?

9:33

Nice setup, Greg, Yeah, it feels great.

9:35

You know what I'm saying, I'll be lying if I said that's not what

9:37

we wanted to do, and that's not what our thought

9:40

process was going into that game. We

9:43

knew it could be the end of that Patriots era

9:45

or whatever, so he had to

9:47

make sure we sent them on his way

9:50

the right way.

9:50

But he's like a future Hall of Famer. Couldn't you have just

9:52

like given him that much, that one little

9:54

bit?

9:55

I mean, he already a future Hall of Famer.

9:57

You're a great coach, you know, he's always

10:00

he's done great things. He won multiple Super

10:02

Bowls. He knows so much about the game

10:04

of football. So it's like doing

10:06

that would have just been an extra

10:08

little cherry on the top. It was no point of.

10:10

I'm the Belichick point. So

10:13

this is I think before you were even born. But when Belichick

10:15

spurned the Jets and went to the Pats in

10:18

two thousand and then went

10:20

on, you know, the greatest run ever for a head coach

10:22

and a quarterback with Brady. I've

10:25

been scratched my head and yelling

10:27

on microphone in the past couple weeks. I cannot believe

10:29

all these head coach openings, nobody went

10:32

and got Belichick and gave him a second

10:34

bite of the apple like Brady got in Tampa. Are

10:36

you surprised that he's not going to be coaching this year? How

10:39

sure were you that he was going to pop up somewhere

10:41

else and you might see him on the field next year.

10:43

I don't really know because I don't know what going

10:45

to all of that. You know, when it come to job openings,

10:48

you know what they talk about with the other teams. You

10:51

know, I'm sure those teams know that he's

10:53

a great coach. He's a Hall of Fame caliber coach,

10:56

you know what I'm saying. So I don't know why

10:58

he wasn't selected. You know, that's

11:02

not my place. I don't

11:04

really know. I just know he's he's a great

11:06

coach and wos the

11:08

best in the future then get a job.

11:11

Well, maybe he will down the road on

11:14

the Jets front, because I feel like he probably have

11:16

learned a lot in your first two seasons.

11:18

And you know, in college, everything's going

11:20

great, but you hit a team that's hit

11:23

you know, Aaron Rodgers goes down right away.

11:25

It seemed like two years in a row, you've

11:27

got this glowing Jets defense and an

11:30

offense that just was struggling.

11:31

There.

11:32

You don't you don't know if you're number one quarterback two

11:34

times in a row, and it's like, how do how do

11:36

you because there are a lot of reports come on in York. How

11:38

does the locker room stay unified

11:41

when the defense is doing one thing and the offense

11:43

can't find their way? What have you learned about how

11:45

to like not have the team completely

11:48

be a sinking ship.

11:49

I mean, we brothers before anything. What

11:51

I'm saying the football, that's that's

11:53

the game. That's what we love to do. But you

11:55

know, the bards and the relationships

11:58

that you make when you're going when you're coming into this game,

12:00

when you're leaving the game. That's that's what matters

12:02

the most. So it's easy

12:05

to maintain that bond. You know, you get

12:07

guys that's on defense that's closer

12:09

with guys on offense. So it's just it's

12:12

just that easy, you know, to keep the

12:14

locker room, you know, keep

12:16

the keep the bond in the brotherhood.

12:18

So you were named first team All Pro this

12:21

year, again doing that

12:23

back to years to start your career.

12:25

That's only been happened, you know, that's only happened a handful

12:27

of times at that position, like in the history

12:30

of the NFL. Usually it's

12:33

team players from winning teams too that get

12:35

recognized.

12:35

So I think I think I was the first one.

12:38

You're the first corner

12:40

corner you're on it.

12:41

I'm like one or three. I just found that out. Uh,

12:44

Michael, Michael Parsons, Laura

12:46

Taylor and me.

12:48

An incredible uh

12:52

achievement to start your career. Also incredible

12:54

dexterity to keep

12:57

giving guys like you know, dap them

12:59

up as they're walking while you're doing the interview.

13:01

You're also the first person ever do that on.

13:04

This is the certain places I don't I don't really

13:06

get to see too much so when I see him.

13:09

Yeah, one of my

13:11

all time favorite bikes. I didn want to ask you about the

13:13

All Press, Like, what do you think you did this year

13:16

specifically, maybe different than your rookie year

13:18

and that set you apart where you got the nod

13:21

over some great players like well Jerry Steve

13:23

didn't get it. He's in this game, Charvaris.

13:25

We didn't get it.

13:26

Daily Scops didn't get it. What did you do that

13:28

put you?

13:28

You ahead?

13:30

Just dominating? You know what I'm saying?

13:32

Yeah, Greg, different, No, that's simple.

13:35

Different when you dominated, you know what I mean.

13:37

But you gotta added things to your game from

13:39

your first.

13:40

No, it does I do.

13:42

I'm still finding ways to get better, you know, still

13:44

find ways to get better for sure.

13:46

Hey, before we say goodbye.

13:48

One of our favorite segments

13:50

with guests, we really get to know them as a little

13:52

game. We call eight o'clock to Delight.

13:54

It's a speed round, first thing that comes

13:56

to your mind, and then we'll say goodbye.

13:58

Hit it.

13:59

Eric the producer, Spring or Fall,

14:02

m Fall, Jersey

14:04

Shore or the Hamptons, Jersey,

14:07

Tarantino or Sor I don't

14:09

know who that is, jay z or Nas

14:11

jay Z Capel or Kevin.

14:13

Hart

14:16

friend.

14:18

Friends?

14:19

Are we alone in the universe?

14:23

Are we hello? Are we alone?

14:24

Like?

14:24

Are there alien in this?

14:26

I don't know? No? No, yes,

14:29

let me say yes, because I don't want

14:31

an alien to pop up, you know what I mean? Sometimes

14:33

you gotta believe in stuff so they

14:35

don't, you know, come and chill the taser believe

14:40

The Jets switch to the throwback jerseys full

14:42

time.

14:42

I mean, come on right.

14:44

I like that, but I do think we should

14:46

have got some new ones and never

14:48

line.

14:49

I like that.

14:51

Where's your defensive Brookie of the Year award? Right now

14:53

at home in my game room?

14:55

Favorite ice cream flavor Strawberry. What's

14:58

the movie or TV series you've reword watch the

15:00

most? I don't rewatch TV

15:02

series interesting?

15:04

Have you ever seen a ghost? Yes,

15:08

we'll get back to that.

15:09

Minigoal for play a team. Do

15:13

the Yankees have enough starting pitcher depth? I have my doubts.

15:15

I haven't got to watch the Yankees, but I'm huge

15:18

fans of them.

15:19

All right.

15:20

Pineapp pineapples are pizza on

15:22

pizza. Yeah your nag I had it

15:24

before it and is good. But no, are people inherently

15:27

decent?

15:28

People? Inherent me?

15:30

Yeah?

15:30

There are people good at their heart?

15:33

Yes?

15:34

Okay?

15:35

And the final oh would you try? And would

15:37

your time.

15:38

Travel if you could? Is

15:41

it backwards or.

15:46

All?

15:47

Right?

15:47

And finally, this one's from my dad, Keith,

15:49

who's been a jet spent since the name of days.

15:52

Who is the toughest receiver to cover in the NFL?

15:54

Right, I don't know.

15:56

I can't have some. I can't. It's

15:59

not just one because you got them all down. I can't

16:01

just quote one. I had the name multiple?

16:03

Do I name one name?

16:04

Multiple?

16:05

You got tyree? The

16:08

farm

16:12

there a lot, Okay, you

16:14

know what I'm saying.

16:15

They don't have a chance that the great Sauce

16:18

Gardner saus.

16:19

I can't wait.

16:20

Next year, We're not going to be able to do this because you're gonna

16:22

be playing in the Super Bowl. But the year after that,

16:24

or maybe a couple of years down the line, we'll do this again.

16:26

Thank you very much for having us, and have

16:28

a great super Bowl weekend.

16:29

Thank you.

16:32

All Right, there here goes a Sauce Gardner.

16:34

I'll tell you what I already

16:36

do use that particular carrier, phone carrier.

16:39

But you would have been convinced I might sign

16:41

up again after Yeah, I think well, he's made it

16:43

clear that the vast majority of NFL

16:45

players, coaches, and fans use it, so.

16:49

Well, he's only he's not wrong. I

16:51

do not have a second phone. I have my NFL official

16:53

phones that we have no choice. He doesn't have a burner,

16:55

A beautiful it's a beautiful thing.

16:57

Hey, you don't got no burner? No, that's

16:59

good.

17:00

It always makes me suspicious to the peoples, like you don't

17:02

have a second was like, what's going on in your second film?

17:05

I think the same thing, but people look at

17:07

us like we're crazy. Anyway, that was good with Sauce.

17:09

I wouldn't say that I now feel better.

17:12

The cell about

17:14

why things are going to be okay really boiled

17:17

down to really what the Jets party

17:19

line is, which is, well, Aaron's back and

17:22

maybe that will be enough.

17:23

Maybe I don't know.

17:26

I think Sauce is like what more do I need

17:28

to do? I don't think he's the one going to be making

17:30

the like huge speech before.

17:33

It's not his spot.

17:35

Just why don't you guys be as excellent

17:37

as me and then we can be somewhere right.

17:40

Like, yeah, you go get a couple of right tackles,

17:42

get another receiver and then let's see if we can

17:44

not fall apart in horrific fashion. All

17:47

right, we are just

17:49

getting warmed up. We're going to take a break and when we come back,

17:52

friend of the show Extraordinariy

17:54

will join us. Welcome

18:02

back, so scheduled

18:04

guest Nick Shook. But

18:07

Nick has run into some issues with getting

18:09

through the masses and into radio

18:12

row, so we do have a

18:14

fallback plan.

18:15

Sitting to my right is Dave.

18:17

Ealy, news Editor, Chief

18:19

news Editor NFL Media.

18:23

Luckless in love, but a good man with a good

18:25

heart. Dave, Welcome back to around the.

18:27

NFL and also bald. So I feel like I'm covering

18:29

for Shock as well. I noticed you push the mic.

18:31

Up higher I got here, so I appreciate

18:33

that. So not quite Nick, but I feel like you can fill

18:35

in.

18:36

I was approaching from a distance

18:39

in saw a bald and white and

18:41

I thought, well, that must be Shook, and then I realized

18:43

just seeing the dimensions, and I'm not a tall person,

18:46

so it's no knock on you. That is absolutely

18:48

not Nick Shook. But what is happening in your in your love

18:50

life?

18:50

Really?

18:51

I I want an update.

18:52

We've only got a couple of minutes here. Wow, so we're

18:54

just diving right to do it. I know, I knew we were not going to taugh football.

18:57

Well, ka, before we get to that, I just want to give a little

18:59

background. So I ran into Ely yesterday

19:01

last night. That's called the NFL House.

19:03

They invite all NFL Network and NFL

19:06

media and NFL New York Office

19:08

employees and uk UH

19:10

to a venue and it's it's

19:12

a nice scene. There was there was bowling, there

19:14

were there was booze food, all that good stuff.

19:17

You know, zuzzer.

19:19

We had We had a meeting with some iHeart

19:21

people. I had a couple of Tito's. Then

19:24

we go to this event. I meet

19:27

up with Handsome Hank and you know, I have a couple more.

19:30

Then Dave rolls over with his posse,

19:32

Dave and the Dave posse, and you

19:34

know, you know how Dave does. Dave starts

19:37

going to Dave. Dave's gonna Dave. Dave's one hundred

19:39

percent Dave. And that's what we love about Ely.

19:41

Got to be Dave.

19:41

You know, all of a sudden, we have a conversation

19:44

that I didn't recall until this morning,

19:46

and I get a text about all right, So when am I

19:48

coming on the show, and I had I

19:50

had.

19:51

I had apparently agreed to have Dave.

19:53

On today's show, and then I had

19:55

to let him know the bad news

19:57

that Nick Shook who just walked by. So you're

19:59

about to get bumped again, uh la.

20:03

Later in the night, I contacted chuk Or Shook

20:05

contacted me and he took your spot.

20:07

But because Nick was late, you are now

20:09

here to talk about anything you want.

20:12

I mean, I thank you for letting me talk after what felt

20:14

like a two minute introduction to go

20:16

back to what was just to let

20:18

you know. But yeah, Dan did agree around ten

20:20

o'clock last night to have me on. Had

20:23

no idea what he was talking about. When I texted him this morning

20:25

and it was great. I did say, like, I guess,

20:28

promises from ten pm at open bars don't mean anything.

20:30

Wow.

20:31

Yeah, I kind of apologized. I

20:33

wasn't blackout drunk. I just didn't remember the conversation

20:35

very well. It kind of came and went and didn't stick

20:38

around.

20:38

And it's like any scheduling with talk

20:41

Talk with Dan just assume he'll never remember

20:43

it.

20:45

Yeah, I guess, so whatever.

20:46

Yeah, the floor's mind.

20:48

The floor was yours because Shook's here now.

20:50

But I just want to say

20:52

we've been kicking around some ideas for off season

20:54

shows, and the idea of you know, finding

20:57

ilia Mate would be

20:59

I'll be near the top of the list for like a spinoff

21:02

summer show.

21:03

Yeah, I think we'll wait till then for that update.

21:04

I don't love finding ilia Mate as

21:06

like the name of the show, but I

21:09

think maybe we could workshop that.

21:10

But yeah, how are things going? Because you're going

21:12

full full Dave that the shirt you

21:14

guys have said.

21:15

You guys have said full Dave so much, I'm not just quite sure what that

21:17

means. Maybe i'll take that answer off the air

21:20

mark. Things are going fine in the love life

21:22

department. I'm still single, but you

21:25

know what, it's a jury.

21:26

Those are two different things, right, So there's

21:28

the options. You could go like half day, you go three

21:30

quarters Dave. You've chosen to go full.

21:32

Day to.

21:34

Love that.

21:35

I think we've reached.

21:35

The Yeah, so we

21:38

Dave, we have we have to bump you, not

21:41

unlike how your college sweetheart

21:43

had to bump you from her long term life

21:45

plans and can didn't dive

21:48

on that fumble and fifty Yeah, so thank

21:50

you for joining us a.

21:51

Super Bowl prediction really fast.

21:53

No, I don't think so.

21:54

All right, thanks, thank

21:58

you Dave for there he goes Dave

22:00

Elee.

22:01

That was a good appearance.

22:02

I thought, by Dave, we're just gonna keep

22:04

rolling.

22:04

I love that feel. One of his best

22:07

was that? Was that the best Eely performance?

22:08

I don't know, it was pristine, it was,

22:10

you know, concise.

22:13

Come on, Nick, and now another bal Dwhite rolls

22:15

over, this one different than the last.

22:17

Also bearded, different stature.

22:20

Here you go sitting down.

22:21

With us now is none other

22:23

than man, you're

22:25

trying to get this pipe. Oh we got this pipe?

22:28

Nick Shook now sits down with us.

22:31

Yeah, and apparently Eli's short. He

22:34

gause, this thing's way down here.

22:36

EALI taking some fire here. We

22:38

love Dave.

22:38

He's one hundred percent Dave Shooky.

22:41

So here's a great story.

22:42

Was Shook.

22:42

So last night I'm coming back from the hotel

22:45

after I had agreed

22:47

to have Dave on the show, and Shook

22:51

hits me up and says, I'm at the hotel bar and

22:55

you're not gonna believe this, but what.

22:58

The pipe was within five

23:00

to ten feet? Yeah, we're a little wobbly here. Of

23:03

the pipe God, the namesake

23:05

himself was right there, and I was frozen in

23:07

time.

23:08

I was actually gonna go somewhere else. I saw him.

23:10

I was like, I can't leave, and then I was trying to

23:12

muster up the courage. Wait,

23:14

who is this Jr.

23:15

Smith?

23:16

Jr.

23:16

Smith, the former Calves

23:19

Nicks enter, probably five

23:21

other teams.

23:22

Great, who you know?

23:24

He is the He is the original

23:26

pipe And to see so two

23:28

pipes in the same bar, right next to each

23:30

other, feels dangerous.

23:31

I never talked to him. I chickened out. I

23:34

blew it.

23:35

Why Nick, I

23:38

don't want to be that guy who's like, hey, can I get a picture?

23:40

You might need to do that, but you can just strike up a conversation.

23:43

Well, the problem is I would have walked up and been like I was

23:45

in downtown Cleveland for Game seven and twenty sixteen.

23:48

You're my second.

23:48

Favorite Cavaliet, like I would have just exploded with

23:50

adoration.

23:51

Would have been bad. It's like, how come you to know what the score was

23:53

the year after that? Yeah?

23:55

No, that would have been a bad one. That's George Hill's fault anyway,

23:57

So Chooky, you

23:59

are our boots on the ground, and

24:01

thank you, because it's great

24:04

to have someone here that is

24:06

covering the teams. You're covering the Niners for

24:08

NFL dot Com. Check out everything that Chook's

24:11

writing up over there. What is your like overall

24:13

vibe about what's.

24:14

Going on around the NFC champions Well, everybody

24:16

likes to talk about the rematch, but that was four years

24:18

ago, and the Niners have been pretty quick to point out

24:20

that was four years ago.

24:21

A lot of things are different.

24:23

But one thing that those returning players

24:25

who were on that team have repeatedly said, there's two

24:27

One is talent won't win this game, and whoever executes

24:30

will win this game, who plays better. And the other one is they're

24:32

all bent on washing away

24:35

that feeling of losing. And you even had

24:37

a guy like Javon Hargrave, who lost the Super Bowl last

24:39

year to the Chiefs, same thing.

24:41

We don't want to feel the same way we did the

24:43

last time we got to the end of this game.

24:45

I mean.

24:46

So, the one feeling I get from the Chiefs

24:48

is that you know, they've been here so many times, so many

24:50

of the same players, Like there's this calm

24:53

and ease and a sense of like we're

24:55

just gonna do this and we're not concerned

24:57

or isn't fear like do the Niners have because they

25:00

I'd been up the upper echelon too.

25:02

Do you sense that they also go in with

25:04

that kind of calmness and serenity

25:07

or do they Is there a little more pressure on them?

25:09

No?

25:09

I think actually I feel like they're not operating with very much

25:11

pressure. There is a professionalism,

25:14

a bit of it. We've been here before. What it

25:16

is is there's less of a circus. You're still getting those you

25:18

know, off the wall questions and everything else, but it's

25:21

not it like it was if you followed a team

25:23

that had been there for the first time in many years, and

25:25

they're all really just happy to be here. They know the

25:28

task at hand and what they have to do, and they also

25:30

know that the challenge is very great and that this is

25:32

a team that you know in the chiefs that people

25:34

have not beaten in the last few times that they've been in the Super

25:36

Bowl.

25:36

I hesitate to get too deep into the psychology

25:39

of the team, because, look, it's it's

25:41

fifty three players. It's forty five players on game

25:44

day, and it's just a.

25:45

Couple you don't believe in momentum things like

25:47

I'm just saying.

25:48

Like, it's very hard We've

25:50

found this over the years to figure out which

25:52

team is gonna play well based on.

25:54

How they act during

25:56

the week.

25:57

But I do think there is

25:59

something the forty nine ers potentially

26:01

that they got over

26:03

the hump in the NFC and games

26:05

they were expected to win in games they

26:08

didn't play well. I don't know whether

26:10

to take that as like, Okay, they got past that,

26:12

and you're right now they're in the biggest.

26:14

Moment of their life.

26:14

They got to it, and it's somehow almost

26:18

a release to get past it, or to be more

26:20

focused on the fact but to keep hitting,

26:22

which is that their last three big games,

26:25

yeah, they played not They didn't

26:27

play to their best abilities, certainly on

26:29

defense but even offensively in

26:32

two or parts of all three of those

26:34

games, they weren't at their very best.

26:35

Yeah, that could go two ways. You could either say, look,

26:37

we haven't even played well. We're playing with house money. You

26:40

know, imagine if we actually put together a good game and do

26:42

what we're supposed to do for four quarters, we should be able to win

26:44

against anybody. But on the flip side, you

26:46

also have that fear in the back of your mind of what

26:48

if we lay out another clunker and this time we can't

26:50

come back, we can't overcome the hole that we've dug

26:52

ourselves in the first half. And that's gonna be the big

26:54

test, because they're facing a team that has

26:56

plenty of experience and knows exactly how to win these

26:58

games.

26:59

And if you think about.

27:00

The psychology all the way back to Super Bowl fifty four,

27:02

they were in a great spot to win that game before it

27:04

all fell apart.

27:05

Sure, so they have to avoid that as well.

27:07

It didn't used to be a thing that there was a ten point come

27:09

back in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl. The Patriots against

27:11

the c X were actually the very first, and then it happened

27:14

a ton since.

27:15

I mean, if he h's Manny Sanders Jimmy

27:17

g it's a whole different story in

27:19

that game. And the question

27:21

for me part of this matchup is we've

27:24

all been impressed by the Chief's

27:26

ability to just kind of turn it on and

27:28

get to this point. But even you know,

27:30

when you look at the game by game here,

27:33

there's still not the old Chiefs in terms

27:35

of offense. And I'm

27:37

wondering San Francisco's defense has been

27:39

pretty disappointing down the stretch. I've been able

27:41

to get by even with the struggles.

27:44

How do you like the game from a matchup standpoint,

27:46

Let's like focusing in more on the secondary

27:49

and the coverage against the Chiefs wide

27:51

receivers, and of course there's Kelsey, but like

27:54

the ability to keep MBS from making the

27:56

play that he's made the last couple weeks to

27:58

really open up and and give

28:00

the Chiefs that extra dimension that they've lacked so

28:02

so much this season.

28:03

Yeah, I think it's really important that you point out, which you just did,

28:05

that this is not the Chiefs team that we came to know a few

28:07

years ago. They're not the super explosive team

28:09

that they used to be. I think about that one hallmark

28:11

play from fifty four Jet Chip Wasp where

28:13

Tyreek gets open and Mahomes has enough

28:16

time to run that play and it's a game changer.

28:18

That's not this team anymore. They don't do that anymore.

28:20

Mahomes is best in zero to ten air

28:22

yards and the short pass is getting the ball

28:24

out. So it's gonna be hard to kind

28:26

of compare the two different situations. But

28:29

if I assign confidence points because you look at it.

28:31

I mean, nobody really knows which way this game is going to go. It's

28:33

not like there's a heavy favorite in either way. But

28:35

if I assigned confidence points of it and try to make sense

28:37

of it, I feel the best about the Chiefs defense. I

28:39

feel okay at best about the Chiefs

28:42

offense. I feel all right about the Niners

28:44

offense, especially if they get their momentum rolling, which I know you

28:46

don't believe in, Greg, but we're going to talk about it anyway. And

28:48

then the Niners defense they're talking about day

28:50

have effort issues this week, that's concerning.

28:53

So that's the unit I have the least confidence

28:55

in. So I do still kind of side with the

28:57

Chiefs.

28:58

Yeah, we talked about that the thing and

29:00

how that just that word, it's a it's an ugly

29:02

little word is being thrown around. And is

29:04

there a reality here where that their

29:06

defense collapses here and with Mahomes

29:09

leveling up and all of a sudden, Kelsey goes

29:11

eleven for one seventy four and two

29:14

touchdowns and it's another red and yellow

29:16

confetti day. I think that's certainly possibility

29:19

if you just look at the trending nature of the two

29:21

teams.

29:22

There's another world where like that being

29:24

told about your players, like maybe

29:27

writes the ship and like, but again we

29:29

don't know how that actually works behind the scenes.

29:31

But I do like the fact that, like the Chiefs are a defense

29:34

that has been consistent. They're playing

29:36

their best, Like they've allowed the fewest yards

29:38

after the catch of any team in the league.

29:40

That matters with against the Niners, that matters against

29:42

Deebo Samuel.

29:43

And it's a team that has gotten to the quarterback.

29:46

And if you can get it, you know, Carloftis

29:48

and Jones into brock Perty's.

29:50

Bee house, I think you've got a bee high b house

29:53

whatever.

29:53

It'd be like, No, you had it right the

29:55

first time. It's a bee house.

29:57

It's one of those things you make doesn't really

29:59

make sense ether if you make him uncomfortable.

30:01

I mean, like, I think that when

30:04

brock Perty's made mistakes, that's

30:06

that's been a big factory mahomes is when he's

30:08

thrown multiple interceptions, he's overcome

30:10

that, Yeah, and they still won the game. It's like that who is

30:13

party is in a different world when the mistakes start

30:15

to occur.

30:15

Yeah, I hate Keisha just called

30:17

me live on the show, and I just thought this

30:20

could be a chance for Lakeisha Westling

30:22

to just like join the program. Now you're live on

30:24

the NFL. Uh the Around the NFL

30:26

podcast, Keisha?

30:27

Right now?

30:28

Okay, okay,

30:33

love you talk later.

30:35

Who's winning the game? Al Keisha, give us a score.

30:40

And you

30:43

gotta get over that.

30:46

I would say, I'm gonna.

30:49

Okay, that's all the analysis

30:52

we need.

30:52

Jeeves, Man, there it is, See

30:55

you next week.

30:55

Doctor later.

30:56

Was nice.

30:57

I just

30:59

just felt like that would be nice to get her out.

31:01

Yeah, set back to the cess dog point sess

31:03

what you're saying, good year, No, it's.

31:05

What we're saying, if you can.

31:06

Just because I found it interesting that you had brock

31:08

Purty at number seven

31:10

in your QB Index and down at number nine

31:13

was Mahomes And that flips

31:15

the script from what some people think how this will

31:17

play.

31:17

Out who these quarterbacks are.

31:19

But really, I got one more season,

31:21

I got one more shot comes out next one.

31:23

Well here's the thing, though, like you said, you're only so

31:25

confident in the in the chiefs offense, Like

31:28

I'm really impressed with what they've done throughout

31:30

the playoffs. I mean they were fantastic, and

31:32

that's all that matters to me at this point. They were

31:34

fantastic against the Bills, they were excellent

31:36

I think overall against the Dolphins, and

31:39

they did show some vulnerability against

31:42

the Ravens in the back half of that game where

31:44

the blitz really affected Mahomes

31:46

in a negative way. But I did think that

31:49

the game script was a big part of that. I

31:51

mean, they were throwing way short of the sticks

31:53

on third down with a lead and being extremely

31:56

conservative, and so that that's actually one of my big questions

31:59

of this game. It's weird to say, but like, how

32:01

aggressive will Patrick Mahomes be?

32:03

Because I tend to think Steve Wilks is gonna

32:05

look at that and he's gonna take

32:07

some chances. It's not like they're just gonna be sitting back

32:10

there in a shell coverage or anything. They're

32:12

gonna go for some

32:14

situations where they leave their guys in

32:17

one on one situations. And will we

32:19

get a little more of an aggressive Patrick

32:22

Mahomes instead of just the taking a profit

32:24

Patrick.

32:25

Yeah, I think that's the only way that you get

32:27

an early control of this game, because you cannot

32:29

afford to do what the Ravens allowed themselves

32:31

the position that they got into in that game, which is Andy

32:34

Reid's opening script basically worked

32:36

to near perfection. The Chiefs dominated time

32:38

of possession, they got the stops on defense,

32:40

they had control of that game before the Ravens were able

32:42

to adjust and shut down that offense.

32:44

So the fort Ninders have to take it to them.

32:45

They have to do what the Ravens do in the second half early and

32:48

then playoff the adjustments from there. But I think, you know, even

32:50

back to your point, Mark, what you said about

32:52

brock Perdy is incredibly important

32:54

to the value of Christian McCaffrey to this game,

32:57

and I think Isaiah Pacheco as well. I think the running

32:59

game is gonna factor way more into this than we're probably

33:01

talking about, because.

33:02

Of course it's a quarterback driven league.

33:04

But I think if McCaffrey ends

33:06

up making the impact on the groundbreaking tackles, you

33:08

know, picking up extra yards and that sort of thing, that'll keep

33:10

this offensive float against the Chiefs defense. It's done

33:12

a really good job of womiting opposing quarterbacks.

33:14

So even if perty's not on, if you can rely

33:16

on McCaffrey heavily, then they'll have a fighting chance

33:18

or even more than a fighting chance.

33:19

And the side, I mean, the idea of McCaffrey

33:22

getting what twenty five, twenty

33:25

seven, thirty touches,

33:27

it's all it's in play because they you know, he's

33:30

so incredible, and.

33:31

I just I love watching that guy play.

33:33

You know, no one hearns

33:37

just a zero to three yard gain

33:39

or a seven to twelve yard gain like

33:41

him. And he's I think almost it's a little

33:44

under the radar like hit. His ability

33:46

to maybe just go off and have you

33:48

know, like that Marcus Allen type Super Bowl game,

33:51

like that's certainly something I'm thinking about when I'm trying

33:53

to decide who's gonna win this game.

33:55

Now.

33:55

One other thing, like kind of circling back to

33:58

Mahomes, who's been so

34:00

good as a scrambler,

34:02

and he's healthy this year. There's another bad ankle that

34:05

he had in the playoffs last year. You

34:08

know, Ken the Niners

34:11

this you know the last time these teams

34:13

played, which again is ancient history, but they did a

34:15

nice job for most of that game messing

34:17

with Mahomes and then he got loose and they had that

34:20

nice comeback obviously to win.

34:22

That are they gonna be able to keep

34:25

Mahomes in check because that is the part

34:27

of his game. Because he can't beat you

34:29

deep in as much anymore. He's

34:31

still an assassin inside the

34:34

short yardage. But it's those runs that are

34:36

ripping the hearts out, Like how the Niners

34:38

do they have the personality think to handle that.

34:40

Keep them chan It's the runs, it's the extension of

34:42

the plays.

34:43

It's not even that he has to cross the line of scrimmage, but just buy

34:45

more time to throw. I mean, I looked at that third and five that they converted

34:47

against Baltimore early in that game, where

34:49

Travis Kelsey essentially ran a route that was equivalent

34:52

to when you take your kid to a diner and you get the kids menu

34:54

and it's a piece of paper and they give him crams and he just starts

34:56

scribbling like that was the route that he ran, and they

34:58

pulled it off with an incredible complete That's

35:01

the.

35:01

Stuff you really have to worry about.

35:02

If you're worried about him actually getting out and running,

35:04

you're in deep trouble. They do have the personnel for that,

35:06

obviously. Fred Warner is a great linebacker all around,

35:08

and he's good in coverage and he's fast enough,

35:10

but he's not necessarily the eraser

35:13

of a mobile quarterback that you might expect

35:15

him to.

35:15

Be, or one You're not gonna put a spy on Mahomes,

35:17

right, He's not that.

35:19

Yeah, but if you can take away his scramble

35:22

and you already know the personnel they don't

35:24

really have that deep game, then maybe you're in business.

35:26

It's just it's an interesting see how combat

35:28

it.

35:28

It seems like Mahomes also because it's it's plays

35:31

breaking down, it's out of pocket stuff, and he

35:33

knows exactly when to go and where to

35:35

go, and he leads the league in first downs

35:38

on the ground. And like you think of other quarterbacks

35:40

that Josh Allens is being like more dangerous

35:42

on Tara Firma, But it is Mahomes that, like

35:44

in these huge moments last year and this year,

35:47

have done it with his feet when in the most

35:49

critical third down moments and big yardish moments.

35:51

I thought of it, by the way, not

35:53

not beehive, it's kitchen.

35:55

It's the I'm using

35:57

beehive because he's back in this area where all these

36:00

like enemies and things that can sting you were.

36:02

Moving a horns nest and war the

36:04

bolts are flying.

36:05

I mean, creating a new term.

36:07

I didn't know the kitchen.

36:09

It just came to me.

36:09

I mean obviously I went down a path

36:12

that was you know, needed a little honeycomb.

36:14

I like that. That's a little workshop.

36:17

It feels like a sweet I do remember, you

36:19

know when my cousin hit that beehive

36:21

when we were back in the forest just looking looking

36:23

back there when I was ten years old, and he

36:25

didn't know he was swatting a beehive and it's

36:28

not what you wanted to do.

36:28

And he got he got stung by He.

36:30

Don't give me a yeah.

36:31

I wanted to say that's yes.

36:33

But it really happened. And he got talking about twenty seven

36:35

times. I got like two or three. My other cousin got three.

36:38

Can run outside the funeral home and dan ackro

36:40

after you.

36:41

We just sprinted back.

36:43

I has no idea what we're talking about.

36:44

Escapes again, just two beast things. Twenty six

36:46

for the cousin.

36:47

Well, he's the one that hit it.

36:49

So like you know, my

36:51

running ability was a big factor that that game

36:54

pushed back.

36:56

And yeah, I

36:59

do think the coach, the coaches with

37:01

the willingness to stick with the run is a big

37:04

deal. The most memorable, one of the most

37:06

memorable moments of that AFC Championship game

37:08

to me was when the Chiefs got to the six yard

37:10

line in the second quarter and

37:12

they just ran two inside runs in a row,

37:15

a four yard run for Pacheco to the two

37:17

and then a two yard run for a touchdown.

37:19

It I was like, when was the last time we've ever seen

37:21

the Chiefs do that? The second run was against

37:24

ten men in the box. Yeah, there's like, oh, you can't ruin

37:26

the books against eight. It's like you can if you're if

37:28

you want to, if you're a good running team.

37:30

They did it.

37:31

And I think both of these teams, when you look

37:33

at the opposing off defense, is that's

37:35

the vulnerability. So Shanahan

37:37

might have some regrets of how he handled his

37:40

play calling in the Falcons Patriots

37:42

Super Bowl. Reid's been knocked plenty

37:45

for not sticking with it, and so I think

37:47

that's just one issue, like who

37:49

can just be comfortable and

37:51

stay with it because we know these quarterbacks they just

37:54

refuse to get sacked.

37:55

So it's tempting to just throw the

37:57

ball all the time. But I think that's the way you attacked

37:59

it.

37:59

I mean that even marks a change from last year's Super Bowl

38:01

when the Chiefs got down on the goal line and they ran the same

38:03

play in opposite directions and one of them was the wrong formation

38:05

and still worked, and they scored two touchdowns that way. Like

38:08

they didn't do that this time around. They trusted the run game. It's

38:10

a bit of a throwback. That's them adjusting to the fact

38:12

that they know they might not have the personnel to pull off what they

38:14

were able to pull off.

38:15

In previous years.

38:15

One weird like they did play a year ago

38:18

in the regular season and there's

38:20

some connected tissue and some of it does not connect.

38:22

But Chiefs forty four, forty nine Ers

38:24

twenty three. The Chiefs ripped

38:26

off six touchdowns on seven drives and

38:29

it was close, but then the Chiefs went nuts

38:31

at the end in the game. And that game, in the final

38:33

three minutes is when brock perty entered

38:35

to throw his first NFL passes are

38:37

again.

38:38

I like that that was kind of peak.

38:41

Did you know it was also Christian McCaffrey's first game as a

38:43

Niner.

38:43

And did you know that Damn Darnold is

38:45

the first quarterback in the class of twenty eighteen to

38:48

make the Super Bowl.

38:48

Okay, but now is that a

38:50

backhanded shot at Baker Mayfield.

38:52

Well, I saw that yesterday.

38:54

Ye ain't here the probo MVP.

38:56

Sammy look confident? Does he look ready to go

38:58

in if if h Brock fails? Sam he looks

39:00

content? He was like Teddy

39:02

Bridgewater on the sideline for the lines. He's like, don't put

39:04

me and.

39:05

I'm good cool, I'm just happy to

39:07

be here.

39:08

Chook. Here we go.

39:09

It's time for the Game of the Week, presented by

39:11

DraftKings, and.

39:12

I you know what should we choose?

39:15

Well, I don't know. It's it's up.

39:16

There is no Pro Bowl game per

39:19

se, but the kick Tac toe is pretty

39:21

elite. Yeah, but we're gonna go with Super Bowl

39:23

fifty eight.

39:26

What do you think? Give us your pick?

39:28

I thought I was Niners favored by two moneyline

39:30

minus that.

39:32

Movement a little bit out

39:36

of the tic tac zone as they say,

39:38

Oh, look.

39:39

I talked about confidence points earlier,

39:41

and that's really what I tried.

39:43

To use to come to a conclusion on

39:45

this. And I don't like to

39:47

be the guy who's like they'd been here a

39:49

million times. So they're definitely gonna be better,

39:51

and that.

39:52

Means you're gonna be But I'm kind

39:55

of be that guy because look, the Chiefs

39:57

offense was terrible for most

39:59

of the season. They we had glimpses, and they weren't good

40:01

until the playoffs. Like you said, Greg, that's all that matters.

40:04

I feel confident enough in them that

40:06

if they find themselves in a situation where it's

40:08

twenty to twenty three, they're trailing by three, it's

40:11

the fourth quarter, and Patrick Mahomes as the ball

40:13

and he authors a couple of signature moments

40:16

and they score a go ahead touchdown and

40:18

it's Isaiah Pacheco running it in from seven

40:20

or eight yards out, and

40:22

it's twenty seven to twenty three.

40:24

Chiefs. Over the nights, they do it again.

40:26

They get it.

40:27

I'm struggling with my pick.

40:28

We're gonna make the rest of the heroes

40:30

are gonna pick on Friday's

40:32

program, And

40:34

uh, you just gave me a lot.

40:36

To think about.

40:36

SHUCKI shoogy what you got going on the rest of this weekend?

40:38

Soup? You got friends coming in? Anybody, Yeah,

40:41

we're gonna have.

40:41

Friends coming in, But we uh, we got some

40:43

more coverage to finish up today.

40:44

We got some stuff is up Tomorrow.

40:46

We're gonna go head over to the Madden

40:48

Bowl and watch the top two Madden competitors who

40:50

are also best friends face off for the final championship

40:52

game of their competitive series.

40:54

Baby best friends. Yeah, this is like when the

40:56

Mega Powers exploded.

40:57

Macho ma.

40:58

They're not NFL players anymore, the Madden

41:00

Ball.

41:00

Oh no, no, no, no, it's all like highly competitive

41:02

esports kids. Greggie, come on, stupid

41:05

good I've played them and they

41:07

have destroyed me.

41:09

I mean, I you know you don't need to

41:11

come after me for my Madden bona fides. I

41:14

covered the Madden Bowl in two

41:16

thousand and eight for Patriots

41:19

Giants, and it's just like it was the other guy at a

41:21

bar. Yeah, it wasn't that big of a party

41:23

and you got to sat down and do segments

41:25

with I did a segment with Marshall Lynch. Wally played

41:28

Madden in the Madden Bowl. So don't

41:30

come at me with my Madden Bowl bona fides.

41:32

Apparently you've you've put me in my place,

41:35

and you're going to be at the Madden party as well.

41:37

Yeah, I'm to stop by there on Friday, stop

41:39

by you know weapons.

41:41

If Killer Mike gets out of jail, we're gonna be able to Yeah.

41:46

He's not he's out, never was in jail, just

41:48

arrested.

41:49

But the pr Greg Rosenthal, I'm

41:51

just I like.

41:51

To be factual. I like to double the double

41:54

source my facts.

41:55

Maybe you've gotten a little loose.

41:56

With your Was he in jail?

41:58

No, yes he was, he was the aimed.

42:01

That's actually jail.

42:02

Are you in jail in the back of the police car?

42:03

On prison, you're tangling with the

42:05

law though he was a cow.

42:08

Words matter else,

42:14

words matter, No, that's

42:16

it. Words matter, And I'm happy

42:18

to be here, happy to sit down.

42:19

This is great.

42:20

We've done it remotely all year. I love being

42:22

in person.

42:22

Yes, I was texting with the boys earlier

42:24

that you're such an important part of our show every

42:27

season on the Flagship Sunday program. So

42:29

to be able to reunite in person

42:32

and see the pipe up close by the way, you don't

42:34

have.

42:34

To cover Falcons bucks this time. You got

42:36

a real game.

42:37

The game of the week, not the f tier

42:39

game. Eightier eightier

42:41

baby, because there's only one left.

42:43

Chokie back into the

42:45

the huddled masses.

42:46

You go, I'm gonna go fight my way out here. It took me allow to get

42:48

down here.

42:49

All right.

42:49

And uh and don't you know, don't

42:51

let Eely because Eely was throwing

42:54

you under the bus a little bit. He said, oh he turned

42:56

the wrong way, and let him know that.

43:00

Lost.

43:01

I was right outside.

43:02

Had to walk all it down and around and upstairs.

43:03

So just so you know next time you see him that sometimes

43:07

you know he's he's not looking out for your best interest.

43:09

So maybe if you have to say something face to face, this is the time

43:11

for that.

43:11

Is you know that that's a bald on bald betrayal. And

43:14

I'm gonna have a long that's a hard thought

43:16

think about that. Yeah, all right, very nice,

43:18

Thank you, Nick Schuck. We'll take a break and we'll be

43:20

back.

43:21

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43:55

Wow. Wow, wow, you saw that at me?

43:57

There's thirty years ago. Oh my, I

44:00

think that's a deep cut.

44:01

Yes, and of course that is the voice of the great Chris

44:03

mad Dog Russo. I stumbled upon

44:06

on YouTube a clip of all the different stings

44:08

from the old place of work, and

44:10

I was looking for the one specific one that starts

44:13

with Beware of the Dog, which didn't get as much

44:15

run.

44:15

You're right, it was a little bit like probably didn't like that one.

44:17

We were were yeah, of.

44:19

Course, we were just talking about you went

44:21

to see you two, and I was talking about I'm a big

44:23

fan, and they're playing some deep cuts. That would

44:25

be the deep cut of the w FA.

44:27

You have to be a pretty big fan to know the Beware

44:30

the Dog was brought it out jingle that

44:32

is again that has to be at least

44:34

twenty twenty five years old.

44:35

Oh that you found And I haven't seen

44:38

Mark's face glow like that all week. You really

44:40

cured mark sickness just by playing yea,

44:42

yeah, i'ven't been feeling well Mark Mark line,

44:45

but I.

44:45

Would say that you know, it brings me the max to

44:47

a childhood innocence.

44:48

It's wonderful. So thank you, very good. Good

44:50

to be with you guys again. So good and I'm.

44:52

Doing We're doing great, Chris, because

44:54

like and everyone now was talking about the Russo

44:57

third act and everything we've been even

44:59

the there was the first act better well,

45:02

no, well, the there is a nostalgia factor.

45:05

But I think we're all, as fans of yours,

45:07

just so pumped up to see this. And I'm curious.

45:10

I'm curious from a like a fame standpoint,

45:12

because you know the you know the business better

45:14

than anyone, like terrestrial radio.

45:16

Back in the day w f AN, everyone was

45:18

listening to you and the

45:21

dog, and I'm sure

45:23

you were gonna go out in public with that people. But

45:25

now you're on this national platform, like are

45:27

you more famous? You get recognized more

45:29

now than you did in nineteen ninety.

45:31

I know, I yes, I try

45:33

not to make too big a deal about it, but you do notice

45:36

it. From a first take

45:38

standpoint, there's much more notoriety.

45:40

I do a lot of things on first take that have been doing

45:42

forever on the radio, and nobody's

45:44

say anything forever on the radio, And I'm as

45:47

an example, you know, the example

45:49

would be play a shut up

45:51

and play the game shut

45:54

up and play. I said that a million times,

45:57

really Steve really my and

46:00

then I've said that a thousand times. There

46:02

is a lot of them. You know my old sayings,

46:05

you know my rants, you know the

46:08

pauses, you know I used to I probably put

46:10

the pregnant pause in there. There's a lot of

46:12

little examples which I've always I'm

46:14

using now that I've always used and now

46:16

people, wow, look at that. I've never heard of somebody do that

46:18

before. Donut since nineteen eighty nine.

46:20

Right of course, now they've picked up

46:22

on it. Saw's resort, you get noticed a loumit bore.

46:24

Chris mad Dog rus So headlines the Mad Dog Sports

46:27

Radio channel and Sirius XM, and hosts the channel's

46:29

anchor program, Mad Dog Unleashed weekdays

46:31

three pm Eastern, two pm Central noon

46:33

Pacific. You can also see him on an MLB network's

46:36

High Heat. And of course, as you just said ESPN's

46:38

first take, I think when I kind

46:40

of watched the arc of

46:43

the Russo career, which is now like, let's

46:45

be honest, you want to talk about like Mount

46:48

rushmore like in terms of longevity and you

46:50

are at a high level. I think

46:53

what surprises people? And

46:55

I think, Mark, what makes Chris

46:57

have the successes.

46:59

You're so real. That is who you are people

47:01

people are.

47:02

It's authentic, and the authenticity especially

47:04

in not to take any shots, it's

47:07

like that genre. There's so much

47:09

of it is at play acting

47:11

and you're saying things you maybe don't believe. But

47:14

I know when when you're you're faced

47:16

up on the camera like Bono on the Zoo

47:18

TV tour, like you are being

47:21

yourself, I think that really matters. And like when

47:23

we talk about the announcers like Romo

47:25

when he had his big rise and Olsen who gets

47:27

a lot of pop outs because they authentically love the

47:29

game, and you hear that as well. You can't fake that.

47:31

Stuff now one hundred percent. The gummies is a perfect

47:33

example. I say that gummies and that's not embellishing

47:35

it. The gummies are real and you say

47:37

that people. It's relatable to people.

47:39

And I think that is probably the key to

47:42

this little run here is the fact that I say

47:44

things that the average person

47:46

wishes he could say or do, and I

47:49

say it for them, and I say things

47:51

that they're uncharacteristically they

47:53

don't then necessarily listen to.

47:55

Now.

47:55

I said that on F A N and I said

47:57

that on Sirius for one hundred years now,

47:59

I say eight on the TV. It gets

48:01

virus viral, it gets the clips

48:04

and if you get involved with ESPN, you get

48:06

in that machine and they churn

48:09

it out so they you can't miss it.

48:11

But not Gummys before first day, No,

48:13

no, definitely not. You have to be contract

48:16

I don't care any you have to be sharp to be

48:18

you can't.

48:20

Work at NFL network.

48:22

And I love he's a great kid. The

48:25

Mali expression or whoever else you're

48:27

with us, whether Steven a Smith are just.

48:29

Like they

48:31

look at me really Christmas. But you're gonna

48:33

say, now, I've gotten in jubble a couple of times. But they

48:36

for the most part allow you to do what you want

48:38

to do. And you know, the other key to the whole

48:40

thing relatedbile relatability is one

48:43

passions the other thing, you know, I still

48:45

enjoy it. You know, I still love watching the game,

48:47

and I watched the games regardless of

48:49

working or not. I would still watch the games. That's a big

48:51

factory.

48:52

Like before we get into this game, there was

48:54

an incredible rant that you had

48:56

a couple of weeks ago coming out of the Chiefs

48:59

RAVENSFC title lost for Baltimore,

49:01

where you know, like Greg is part

49:03

of what you'd call the Lamar me and a lot of people

49:05

see him as like the MVP, and I see that. I

49:09

grew up a Browns fan, so I have some issues with the Ravens

49:11

to begin with. But that experience in that playoff

49:13

game with Lamar Jackson, you seemed irked

49:16

by what happened there, and I thought you spoke from the

49:18

heart, and it's like, I think you connected with me in

49:20

my own I rate anger about

49:22

the whole thing and how the season ended up for the Ravens.

49:26

Let's go that's funny too. I thought you were

49:28

gonna say Campbell because I did that thing with

49:31

the field goals with him, which got a lot.

49:32

Of you're right.

49:34

See.

49:34

The thing that bother me about Lamar is,

49:36

remember I work. When you work on an ESPN, they oh

49:38

love Lamar. He's the greatest thing in the world.

49:42

And he had won two playoff games. So

49:44

I will go the exact contrast

49:46

to that, because I want to say, oh no, no,

49:49

let's not put him in. When Shannon Sharp said,

49:51

you know, he wins this Super Bowl, he's going to be one of

49:53

the all time greats. Shannon take it easy. First off,

49:55

he hasn't won the two games yet. And you know

49:57

he has one Super Bowl? Does it make

49:59

it one of the he has quarterbacks of all time? And

50:01

then he lays an egg. He no, Listen, they had a lot

50:03

of issues in that game. He wasn't all of it.

50:06

They flowers fumbled, they were on discipline,

50:08

the charger the chief scored first possession,

50:11

so it wasn't all him. But he didn't

50:14

do anything in the game to rescue

50:16

his team from their demise. And

50:18

that's what a great quarterback has to do. A

50:20

great quarterback has to recognize. All right, now,

50:23

they pay me forty million. We were down

50:25

seventeen to ten. We haven't played well. I got to do

50:27

a job here. I got to get this team down the field, get some

50:29

first downs, stabilized the stabilize

50:32

everything. And he didn't do that. And he hasn't been

50:34

able to do that in the big game. And that is the

50:36

reason why when people put him on this unbelievable

50:38

level, I get turned off on

50:40

it. You know, think about it. He's not better than Burrow,

50:43

He's not better than Josh Allen, He's not better

50:45

than Mahomes. He's probably not better than Matthew

50:47

Stafford. Right Stafford's this

50:50

year, but Stafford was great. And then

50:52

Stafford against against the Lions

50:54

was tremendous. He was heroic in the game.

50:57

How he won a Super Bowl. If I asked you right

50:59

now, the biggest game of your life, if you want

51:01

Matthew Stafford or you want Lamar,

51:03

you're taking Matthew Stafford. You have to seventy

51:06

yards against the Lion. You have to.

51:08

This is a tough one because I love me some Stafford and

51:10

thought he was a top three m VP pick this

51:13

year and wasn't getting a lot of love. When

51:15

I rewatched that Lamar game, I

51:17

realized just how poorly he played, Like watching

51:20

the coaches film and seeing it again and taking the

51:22

emotion out of it. That my

51:24

reaction to the game was partly what

51:26

what you guys just said, which is there

51:28

was a lot going on, and there was, of course that was

51:31

true, but it was also his worst

51:33

game of the year. He was even more

51:35

of a disaster. I thought, you watch worse

51:38

than I thought. I thought he was even worse than I thought.

51:40

And I'm a huge fan, and that's a tough spot

51:42

for him because that's just how the playoffs are. But I

51:45

also just think he's a two

51:47

time MVP as a twenty six year Part

51:49

of the reason everyone loves him is because there's never

51:51

been anyone like him. He's the greatest running quarterback in

51:53

the history of the league. And he's

51:55

gonna have to adjust his game because he's.

51:57

No longer that guy. If he was that guy still, he

51:59

would have.

52:00

Scored on that on that play in the divisional

52:02

round where he got free a little bit, you might have had

52:04

a bigger run when he caught his own catch.

52:08

Like, he doesn't have the exposit, so he's gonna have to just

52:10

But he's twenty six years old, and I

52:13

just get sick of these great

52:15

players in the middle of their career having

52:17

this same art like conversation over and

52:19

over, and then they inevitably do

52:22

win the title and they do play better until because

52:25

it's not inevitable, but

52:27

it's.

52:27

The same players over.

52:28

Like we had it with Lebron, we have it with Dirk Nowitzki,

52:31

we have it with a million You had it with pulpri

52:33

like you have it with a billion different people who

52:36

eventually get over. People thought Matthew Stafford

52:38

was one of the most overrated quarterbacks. And

52:40

it's like and it's like they don't

52:43

talk about him like that so much when

52:45

it's actually happening.

52:46

And understand there is an arc to his career.

52:48

And he's a twenty six year old who I believe, because he's

52:50

in that organization, is going to get chance

52:52

after chance after chance, and one of those

52:54

it's gonna.

52:54

Turn out different.

52:55

Maybe he won't even play that well in it, like Peyton

52:57

Manning didn't play that well in his when in

53:00

Super Bowl in two thousand.

53:02

Never brings that up. They're going to take it to me.

53:04

You

53:05

you measure

53:08

quarterbacks by sixteen game samples. I

53:10

think that's the best way.

53:11

Yeah, you know, I got to measure them in

53:13

what they're do in a big game. That's all. Now the problem

53:15

that Lamar has. You know, Mahomes is not going

53:18

anywhere, nor is Josh Allen nors Burrow, Yes,

53:20

and he's not as good as those speak guys. Stroud too

53:22

is now, Rodge another one, good job, Strouds

53:25

another one, and Herbert you know with hardball

53:27

there he's gonna he's good.

53:29

Say Aaron Rodgers to make the Jets go,

53:32

I will say that good for you.

53:33

I'll put the Jets.

53:34

So you can make an argument that the beginning

53:36

of next year in the AFC, you could

53:38

take five or six quarterbacks ahead of them. You

53:40

could take the Big three Big three, no issues,

53:43

and then Rogers is four. And what's

53:45

the well Alan Burrow and Mahomes.

53:49

He's not as good as Josh.

53:50

Allen, No way, Burrow's got to stay on the field if

53:52

Lamar Jackson missed half of his career.

53:54

So here's the thing about Borrow four seasons Burrow,

53:59

Burrow beat Mahome on the road.

54:01

Yep, that to me.

54:03

But Burrow was another example like people like

54:05

that first playoff run Burrow had,

54:08

he didn't play that well.

54:09

He actually struck.

54:10

That was his worst three game stretch of the year was

54:12

the AFC playoffs, and he made the Super Bowl.

54:15

So it's it's a team got a little unfair.

54:17

You're right, because we Burrow doesn't

54:19

carry that around because the team

54:21

the field goal kicker went nuts and they had the Super

54:24

Bowl.

54:24

Like he played so won a championship game, a championship

54:26

in college too.

54:27

I think that.

54:27

Carries into it a little bit as well. And I

54:30

know he had an l SHU. He had a great team, but he was

54:32

great in college and hey, dony Be, any

54:34

one against Saban and Tua in Alabama

54:36

scored forty five points. I think that

54:39

comes into the you know, the feeling

54:41

when you think of Burrow is maybe he is played

54:43

quite as well and you look at it down deep as

54:46

the record with Deicate, but you think

54:48

he's played great because he's had big games.

54:50

You know.

54:50

It's kind of funny.

54:51

It's like that thing where you're watching the TV inside

54:53

the TV, inside the TV. It's when

54:55

Greg and I both in during that conversation,

54:58

go that's fair, that's fair, and it's.

54:59

Like, Chris, that's I

55:01

say that. I say a lot of those wacky

55:03

things.

55:04

So we listened to you so many years that that's just

55:06

ingrained in my head.

55:07

Oh that's fair, that's fair.

55:08

I do say that. Oh, let's be honest. Mike used

55:11

to say let's be honest all the time. I say that too,

55:13

too, But I do like, uh, I'm going to

55:15

take Kansas City in this game because I'm going to take

55:17

my homes and read over

55:19

Shanahan and Purty. I'm the

55:21

kicker. That kicker is a good kicker. Talk

55:23

we were talking about yesterday stinks and

55:26

I close game. Berk. He

55:28

know miskicks this, but is it? He's

55:31

incredible and bad weather two and fifteen

55:33

minus fifty degree weather. He goes out there and mixed kicks.

55:36

I like him. I think the Chiefs want a.

55:37

Close game, all right.

55:38

Before we let you go, Chris, we always need

55:40

to dig in on what what's Chris

55:42

washing?

55:43

What?

55:43

There's more the rue so especially you know

55:45

the gumpanies get popped? Uh, Mark,

55:47

you had you had heard something around Chris. You guys

55:49

share a passion for something.

55:51

Well, Dan and I along had a you know, debate

55:54

and ongoing debate about.

55:55

The JFK assassination.

55:56

Oh geezu all right, and you know we're

55:58

with our heart radio and we know that Rob Reiner.

56:00

Did at the JF I had and I had him on.

56:02

Well, that's just kind of wondering.

56:04

There's also this thing floating out there where they

56:06

have duo pictures

56:08

of Rock Party with various pictures

56:11

of Lee Harvey Oswald, like there are

56:13

places where they do so.

56:14

I was just sort of wondering with the whole Some.

56:15

People think Rock Party is a patsy, so you know there,

56:18

well, there you go, where are you with the whole.

56:19

JFK and Oswald's.

56:21

Birthday is the same as mine ten eighteen.

56:23

Really, yes, but where are you with the

56:25

whole?

56:26

Where are you on the I mean the Rhiner podcast

56:28

is excellent. I haven't heard the last two yet. There

56:31

is no doubt in my mind if anybody thinks

56:34

for one second that

56:36

that Lee Harvey Oswood,

56:38

there is evidence that he may have not even killed that cop.

56:42

I tip it outside that

56:44

that movie theater, there's evidence you did you

56:46

know that they found two wallets

56:49

and the police both said they were Lee Hovey

56:51

Oswold's who you found

56:53

two wallets? They found one at the scene at the at

56:55

the thing at the at

56:57

the movie theater, and they found one in the in the depository.

57:01

I mean, come on to watach. This was with

57:03

a lot of money and he was he was a

57:05

CIA operative.

57:06

Well, there's a picture of him so called in a

57:08

CIA file down in like Well,

57:11

there's another one overseas and it's basically

57:13

like the double of Mike Ditka that they're trying to tell us

57:15

a Lee Harmis was a mustachioed,

57:17

heavy set man, and that they're passing.

57:19

It off as Lee Harvey's dad.

57:21

I need to remember again, if anybody

57:23

says, I don't believe Oswald did it by himself, if

57:25

you have to answer me, this was one question. Okay,

57:28

why did Jack Ruby kill him?

57:30

Doctor? We didn't kill him because he was trying to prevent dismay

57:33

for the Jacqueline Kennedy and the Kennedy's.

57:35

I feel bad for him.

57:36

The Ruby situation is that that's

57:38

fair. That's fair.

57:39

I have to say my stance

57:42

has been and Mark hates it,

57:44

and you do as well. I'm sure now that

57:47

someone and I don't know where Greg stands on

57:49

this, but we're gonna hear from Greg on the two. But there's

57:51

something destabilizing

57:54

to us as Americans, to society

57:56

to think someone so inconsequential as Oswald

57:59

can change the world with it with a

58:01

shot from the depository. So

58:04

in your nature is to say, well,

58:06

no, that couldn't be it. It has to be a larger

58:08

conspiracy because the president's president

58:10

of the United States. This is one of the

58:12

most powerful men in the world and a special

58:15

person.

58:15

I named my son after John Kennedy.

58:17

Jack.

58:19

But I understand there's

58:21

there's like this, is.

58:22

There someone in the GRESSI hall, I think

58:24

there were you know Ryaner thinks there's about

58:26

three or four shooters. You know the

58:28

Warren Commission nineteen seventy six. You

58:31

know who ran that Warren Commission, Alan

58:34

Dulles. He was in charge of all the information

58:36

they received. You know, Alan Dallas is the guy

58:38

that Kennedy fired for the Bay of Pigs.

58:41

Now, how the hell is Alan Donald of

58:43

war? I mean, how is he the guy that

58:45

is doing the Warren Commission who in nineteen sixty four

58:47

said that Leavis was an only show. There's

58:50

too much smoke there to

58:52

think they did it by himselves. Okay, well I have

58:54

you disagreed? Go ahead, and Greg No, I don't.

58:57

I thinks Lamar Jackson did not do in Yeah.

58:59

I don't have a take on this because I'm uninformed

59:02

regrettably in general about this topic.

59:04

But I do have a It's not a conspiracy.

59:07

It's something that I've done some reporting on myself.

59:09

Dan likes to think of himself as the ATN

59:12

media insider. If I am,

59:14

and I have sources in

59:16

this very building that tells me

59:19

Chris mad Dog Russo was

59:22

involved in what we'll call an incident

59:24

yesterday.

59:26

Coming into the building. I was where

59:28

he was very upset.

59:29

I was that they were trying to take the tags

59:32

off of his job backpack.

59:35

Did you hear about this? And I want to hear what

59:37

happened here?

59:38

Was?

59:38

Can you confirm this? What red

59:41

that brown bag right dare that you see is

59:43

a bag that I've had for a long time. The

59:47

little those little tags

59:49

there at the top, there's yellow and green tags.

59:51

I've had that bag for twenty five years, and

59:54

so a lot maybe twenty years. A lot

59:56

of the tags I had on that bag were

59:58

from events that I had been that why the

1:00:00

World Series, super Bowl, so they

1:00:03

had a little sentimental value. Yeah, I bought

1:00:05

the bag Monday. Nobody says it work. I

1:00:07

come in Tuesday and the

1:00:10

guys there at the X ray machine,

1:00:12

well we gotta take the tags off. I said, what you

1:00:14

got to Why you gotta take the tags off? Well,

1:00:17

we gotta take them off. Were assigned to him. So why didn't you take

1:00:19

him off yesterday? If you would have told me that, I would have left the

1:00:21

bag here today and not bought

1:00:23

the bag. Well we got so they grabbed scissors

1:00:25

and they start cutting cutting the tags.

1:00:27

Shot.

1:00:27

So I was upset and I gave them and

1:00:30

I never do this. I gave them

1:00:32

one of those don't you watch first take

1:00:34

deals? Who gave I.

1:00:36

Hate that you had them on a don't you know

1:00:38

who I am?

1:00:39

And answer was not thoughts. Result, I got

1:00:41

my bag. I got my bag, TEGs cut matter

1:00:43

ifact have all the tags and the compartment

1:00:45

there. I was gonna use it yesterday as a what I'm

1:00:47

mad about segment, but I didn't get around to it.

1:00:50

But I was annoyed, and I noticed in the last

1:00:52

two days they didn't have anybody cutting with the scissor.

1:00:54

There was nobody there doing that on Wednesday and Thursday.

1:00:57

Yet there were Tuesday, which I can't understand.

1:00:59

So my little pigs and I've had

1:01:01

on that don't be big for twenty years,

1:01:03

fifteen or eighteen of them, World Series,

1:01:06

NBA Finals, US Open.

1:01:08

You know they put the tag out and go through the

1:01:10

X machine with a little baked the little take on it. All

1:01:12

of them are gone. So that's football.

1:01:15

I me, Greg, good job on your part. This isn't

1:01:17

exclusive. I was good. You know that you

1:01:19

did not.

1:01:19

I got scooped on that one. I didn't want to tell them

1:01:21

that's good, good job. Well, and that guy

1:01:23

has been fired now, so I wonder what he does next.

1:01:26

I hope he wasn't. And that's somebody said, Chris,

1:01:28

really, you're making a big deal about your stupid tags. And

1:01:30

it only was five minutes. Greg caught

1:01:33

the bad five minutes. I deserve it. I have

1:01:35

to give him the credit.

1:01:35

For digging it up. There. You got job, Greg, You're

1:01:38

a muckrakers? What you are?

1:01:39

I was not there?

1:01:39

Per journalism?

1:01:41

All right?

1:01:41

You guys have been doing this show a long time? How long?

1:01:44

This is season eleven?

1:01:45

This is you want what once

1:01:47

a week during the season, or once have you

1:01:50

had the game? Or five days a week?

1:01:51

We do what? Five shows a week?

1:01:53

Five shows a week during the season, five shows

1:01:55

other digital Sunday

1:01:58

nights, you know, after the games, we got a show Monday

1:02:00

night after after the primetime games, we have a

1:02:02

show and then a couple.

1:02:03

And if you want an NFL Plus subscription, we

1:02:05

can get that to you. Two shows a week.

1:02:07

You'll work Sunday night and Monday night and then

1:02:09

two other shows doing a week Tuesday Thursday.

1:02:12

How about when it is a Saturday game at the end of the year, you work

1:02:14

those ninety two Detroit Dallas on

1:02:16

New Year's on New year's eve, did you me?

1:02:18

Those are those are tough and we got you got young

1:02:20

kids and everything. These holidays.

1:02:23

They keep on building out the schedule. A

1:02:26

lot of mouths to feed for the NFL.

1:02:28

Season though, two four shows a week during the.

1:02:30

Office crank good for

1:02:32

you? How many How long is each show getting

1:02:34

longer?

1:02:35

Sixty to eighty minutes. That's a hell of a job.

1:02:37

That's a good effort.

1:02:38

Thank you, and it does sincerely

1:02:41

mean a lot coming from you.

1:02:44

That's true. I mean the tag incident that that

1:02:46

the button your reputation. We're

1:02:48

now restoring it right now.

1:02:50

All right again, check out mad Dog on Serious

1:02:53

and everywhere else where. He is blown up. He's

1:02:55

a superstar and we're happy to have you every

1:02:57

year. It's a great you guys do a great job. What do you

1:02:59

like in the game.

1:03:01

We have to we have to announce it tomorrow.

1:03:04

Matter.

1:03:05

I can't say I picked I picked the.

1:03:07

Chiefs Niners before the year and picked

1:03:09

the Niners to win off a pick six in the final two

1:03:11

minutes.

1:03:11

And so that's where I'm going.

1:03:12

He's saying, I gotta forgetting

1:03:15

it. I have the Chiefs twenty three to seventeen.

1:03:17

All right, you Madcot. Thank you.

1:03:22

All right, welcome back, and I mean mad

1:03:26

Dog is the best, also the best if

1:03:28

you are a football fan, if

1:03:30

you love the game, in the history of the game. Just

1:03:32

looking over my right shoulder and there he is

1:03:36

Doug Williams Super Bowl twenty

1:03:39

two MVP, the first

1:03:42

black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.

1:03:44

Unbelievable story to him. Just

1:03:46

it's everywhere, it's all around us.

1:03:47

It's almost like if you lived

1:03:49

in a land with only hot people, hot people

1:03:51

aren't hot anymore because like everywhere you turn there's

1:03:54

like an NFL icon walking

1:03:56

by about and then then a second, then

1:03:58

a third, and it's like it's almost over so insative

1:04:00

oversensatory explosion.

1:04:02

I was almost nine years old for that Super

1:04:05

Bowl, and that's the first one I really

1:04:07

remember when it happened. And that actually

1:04:09

is a good example. And I think I thought I

1:04:11

thought it at the time too, like blowouts can be entertaining,

1:04:14

because I remember when that was happening and thinking like this

1:04:16

is crazy, this is great.

1:04:17

Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, and it was just like this

1:04:20

this fire show.

1:04:21

It's a good and surprise.

1:04:22

It's a good topic because I remember I

1:04:25

was seven and I was not

1:04:27

young enough to be plugged in. But I remember running

1:04:29

through the living room with my cousin

1:04:32

Matt, and my uncle Bob and my dad were watching

1:04:34

the game and the Broncos

1:04:36

were up ten nothing yeah, and then we and then

1:04:38

we came back in from outside or whatever

1:04:40

we were, and all of a sudden.

1:04:41

It was like thirty five to ten.

1:04:42

Well it was I think I saw at thirty five in the second order

1:04:45

that broke back.

1:04:46

That's what it was. Where that blow that quarter

1:04:48

was so exhibited.

1:04:49

In a room like Timmy Smith, the running back

1:04:51

who had been a non factor coming over. But

1:04:53

I will tell you one thing, I watched that game in horror

1:04:55

because it was two weeks before

1:04:58

that the Broncos

1:05:00

in the drive, the drive, No, the fumble was

1:05:02

the fumble, and so it was like I'm watching the Broncos

1:05:05

get the doors blown off, thinking like, wait a minute,

1:05:08

right, the Cleveland Browns could have taken this team.

1:05:10

So anyways, anyway, and then the first

1:05:12

one I remember truly watching was

1:05:15

Bengals Niners, and

1:05:17

I'll always remember like thinking was really cool that

1:05:19

I was watching.

1:05:20

With my dad.

1:05:20

And then the the start of the Bud Bowl.

1:05:23

That was the first Bud Ball commercials, which I was,

1:05:25

like as invested in the bud ball as I was him

1:05:28

Crumbrise broken leg, which was right. They

1:05:30

almost pulled it off Cincinnati. Anyway, mad Dog

1:05:32

was an excellent guest. You knew he was going to be

1:05:34

Greg. I got to say, that was incredible

1:05:37

reporting, and it is on

1:05:39

brand.

1:05:40

You took the risk to bring.

1:05:41

It up, you know know how

1:05:43

it's gonna go because that was a moment

1:05:45

and he was acknowledging Chris, So that was kind of diva

1:05:48

behavior. He's fired up, but

1:05:50

it was something that had to be uncovered. That's the

1:05:52

that's the job of a true journal

1:05:55

So I respect that.

1:05:56

He doesn't strike me as a guy who takes things

1:05:58

like too personally, you know what I mean, Like he's

1:06:01

gotta he's gotta fire back, he's gonna have.

1:06:02

Fun with it.

1:06:03

I was watching his you know, facial expression

1:06:06

as Greg was telling that story and didn't

1:06:08

seem to like too disturbed. It could be his last appearance

1:06:10

on the show, and that would be I Greg.

1:06:13

We'll find out next year. This is an incredible

1:06:15

sauce dog spectacular.

1:06:17

I mean, I

1:06:19

wouldn't say they both had the same level

1:06:21

of energy.

1:06:23

Between Sauce and Chris russeo.

1:06:25

But different vibes, different vibes, different

1:06:27

people places in their lives,

1:06:30

but both Titans and their respective genres.

1:06:32

All right, And by the way, what do you sstog?

1:06:35

What are we doing? What are we doing this business? You

1:06:37

picked.

1:06:40

The super Bowl before the season?

1:06:41

I picked it correctly.

1:06:43

Why are why are.

1:06:44

We hearing that as a comment made off

1:06:46

the cuff in the middle of that interview. I

1:06:48

would have loved to lead with that all week. That's

1:06:52

that's that's branding, baby.

1:06:53

I mean two things. I was alerted to it.

1:06:55

I didn't even remember I picked that, And then people

1:06:57

were saying, like, you know, use it as a

1:07:00

explosive secret weapon at some point.

1:07:02

I could be wrong, but I think we did talk

1:07:04

about this on the show last week.

1:07:06

So I don't know.

1:07:07

I don't believe.

1:07:07

Harry briefly that you mentioned perhaps, but I mean, that's

1:07:09

a job, a job.

1:07:11

I also didn't know that I did.

1:07:12

And you know when you make those picks back in August,

1:07:15

and so I don't cling onto them, I know, like

1:07:17

I don't. I'm not on You're on a pic show, Greg, and like

1:07:20

to me, it's like I made it in August.

1:07:21

It happened early in the morning.

1:07:22

So I'm still holding out hope for my Eagles Chargers

1:07:25

banger I have.

1:07:27

I had Jets, which

1:07:29

you know v nine

1:07:31

ers.

1:07:31

And but again, by the transitive properties

1:07:34

of the conversation with Sauce today, it really

1:07:36

is kind of Jets Niners because Sauce.

1:07:39

Didn't even really buy into your theory.

1:07:41

But he said, you have to get Sauce

1:07:43

to buy into a lot of theories.

1:07:44

What did we say.

1:07:44

He said, reality is like important

1:07:47

or something like that. He's into reality.

1:07:50

That's like fair.

1:07:51

It was also notable that he didn't know who Martin Scorsese

1:07:54

or Quentin Tarantino were.

1:07:55

But uh, he's much younger than us,

1:07:57

he is.

1:07:57

I think that's from the different world.

1:08:00

All right, So, so good job by you on

1:08:02

the prediction, and we're going to have our You

1:08:04

got to stick the landing though of course. Now now we need

1:08:06

to know who you will pick

1:08:09

to win the Super Bowl and we'll we'll share those

1:08:11

picks on tomorrow's show. We're

1:08:13

also going to have more fun

1:08:16

guests, so just make sure you check out

1:08:18

our Friday show, our last show before.

1:08:19

The super Bowl.

1:08:20

And and Mark, we've been concerned about

1:08:22

your health. Of the last couple of days, it's

1:08:25

come up in front of guests. They seem to be alarmed

1:08:27

when they realized how close a sick person is to them.

1:08:30

Greg and I are on some level alarmed. I

1:08:32

know you's a big weekend. Yeah,

1:08:35

but you are going and this is an amazing

1:08:37

thing. You're going to NFL Honors tonight.

1:08:39

I do not believe I will be going to that.

1:08:41

I don't.

1:08:41

I think they're going to suit it in Buddha tonight.

1:08:44

Like the person I was planning to go with is also you

1:08:46

know, in dire strait. So we

1:08:48

will see how any of that. Well, I'll let

1:08:50

you know. Maybe it's early in the.

1:08:52

Day, but if I go, if

1:08:54

you go, I go on that early it

1:08:56

starts in like two or three hours.

1:08:58

Yeah, it seems like a long shot. If I go, oh,

1:09:00

I will file a report.

1:09:01

That's what we're looking for. All right, thank you

1:09:03

everybody for listening. Like we said,

1:09:05

we'll be back Friday, and

1:09:07

then the weekend and then.

1:09:09

The big game.

1:09:10

We're getting closer day by day until

1:09:13

then, you know what you gotta do.

1:09:15

Heat the call