0:03

From the high desert and the great

0:05

American Southwest, I bid you all good

0:07

evening or good morning as the case

0:09

may be across all these many prolific

0:12

time zones, stretching from the Sheetshen

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and Hawaiian Islands out west eastward to

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the Caribbean south into

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South America north all the way to the

0:21

pole and worldwide on the internet, this is

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Post Post AM and I'm Art Bell. Howdy

0:26

partner. We're

0:30

going to be in open lines

0:32

this hour and boy

0:34

do I have some news for you. Next

0:38

hour we're going to be joined

0:40

by Albert Taylor, the author of

0:42

Soul Traveler, and I

0:44

have a really special reason for having Al

0:47

on. He's been with

0:49

us, oh I don't know, half a dozen

0:51

times over the years and

0:54

he's probably, in my opinion,

0:57

the world's leading authority

1:01

on this thing called Soul Traveler. As you

1:03

know I've had a

1:05

significant thing that occurred to me in Paris and

1:09

so I jumped on Al Taylor real quickly

1:11

and we'll talk about that in the next

1:14

hour. This hour, now

1:17

let me see, spokesman Mike

1:19

McCurry is going, White House

1:22

spokesman, out.

1:26

His deputy will take

1:28

over, Joe

1:31

Lockhart. I've

1:34

kind of enjoyed McCurry. McCurry has a kind of a

1:36

dry sense of humor which as you know I enjoy

1:41

because I kind of have one myself and so I

1:43

enjoy one. Sometimes

1:48

people tend to mistake people who have a

1:50

dry sense of humor for all

1:54

kinds of things, you know, they take it the

1:56

wrong way. I've always had that. So

1:59

I'm sorry to see McCurry. I've kind of enjoyed him.

2:03

Pope John Paul II

2:05

tightened Vatican control over

2:07

national bishops' conferences today,

2:10

making it harder in some

2:12

cases for them to speak out on

2:15

divisive issues such as

2:17

homosexuality. The

2:19

Pope's new rules require

2:22

bishops' conferences to

2:24

reach unanimous agreement before

2:26

issuing declarations on

2:28

issues of doctrine. If

2:31

they cannot, they must get approval

2:34

from the Vatican. Very

2:37

interesting. The

2:40

U.S. stock market taking a big

2:42

hit, 196 points, a

2:46

down, and that

2:48

would be the fourth straight day of

2:51

a downturn for the market. Alan

2:53

Greenspan has made some remarks that

2:56

may be contributing to it, earnings

2:58

reports contributing to it, and

3:01

it's hard to know exactly where we are.

3:04

It may not be a good day tomorrow on

3:06

the market. That's what some

3:08

of the analysts were saying. That is not what

3:10

I'm saying. I will wait

3:13

and see. So

3:16

that kind of sums up the

3:18

traditional news. Now

3:21

a quickening item, and if this is not

3:23

a quickening item, I don't know what it

3:25

is. The

3:28

following is from Reuters News Service.

3:32

A melting Antarctic glacier

3:35

could lead to the collapse of the

3:37

West Antarctic ice sheet causing

3:39

global sea levels to rise about

3:42

20 feet. Now

3:47

that's a hell of a paragraph when you

3:49

think about it. What

3:52

do you think would happen if global sea

3:55

levels rose 20 feet? Radar

3:59

images from the Arctic. satellite observations between 1992 and

4:01

96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica

4:08

showed the glacier, in fact, is

4:10

shrinking. Eric

4:13

Rignot, a radar scientist at the

4:16

Jet Propulsion Lab in California, who

4:19

led the study said, quote, it is important

4:22

because it could lead to a collapse

4:24

of the West Antarctic ice sheet. He

4:28

said, we are seeing a glacier melt

4:30

in the heart of

4:33

Antarctica. Antarctica,

4:35

the fifth largest continent, is

4:37

almost completely covered with ice

4:40

now. About 90 percent

4:43

of the world's glacial ice is

4:45

in Antarctica. What

4:48

scientists say, this data from remote

4:50

in Stormy West Antarctica could be

4:52

the first real evidence

4:55

that some of these massive glaciers

4:57

might actually be rapidly retreating.

5:04

Now, what would it mean if

5:06

the western

5:10

WAIS did collapse? It

5:13

would push sea levels up throughout the

5:15

world with regions

5:17

near sea level experiencing more

5:19

flooding and faster erosion. Some

5:23

of them obviously would disappear. Now, I

5:25

don't know how far above sea level

5:27

you live, but

5:29

we're talking about sea levels

5:32

worldwide raising 20

5:34

feet. There

5:40

is no example of anything in

5:42

West Antarctica that is retreating that

5:44

fast, said the scientist. This

5:47

is the farthest

5:50

south this phenomena

5:52

has been observed,

5:55

ever. So, take

5:59

that as you You will, ladies and gentlemen. I

6:01

don't know whether you want to call

6:03

it global warming. When you say the

6:05

words global warming, it

6:08

conjures up an immediate political battle. So

6:10

look, call it what you want. But

6:14

a lot of things are obvious and are occurring. The

6:16

weather is changing. Not

6:19

too many arguments about that anymore. The

6:23

ice caps appear to be

6:25

melting. Not

6:28

very many scientific arguments about that anymore.

6:30

And now a new shelf

6:33

is melting. And

6:37

so I will, I don't mind, I'll avoid calling

6:39

it global warming. Call it whatever the hell you

6:41

want to call it. But

6:44

it's happening. So

6:46

quickening. Quickening.

6:50

It's as good a word as any. Here

6:53

is an interesting little message from

6:56

Australia. I

6:59

am located at Mackay,

7:01

Queensland, Australia. It reads

7:03

149 degrees 10 minutes and

7:05

30 seconds east and 21 degrees 8 minutes south. I

7:14

have a liquid filled compass mounted

7:16

on my office wall. It

7:19

was set up to reverse

7:22

read north about 18 months

7:24

ago as

7:26

I was aware of magnetic disturbances

7:28

about six years ago. The

7:32

time is now 0.245 a.m.

7:34

eastern and the

7:36

compass is showing a north magnetic

7:38

deviation of five degrees west. I

7:44

hadn't looked at it for days but

7:47

your post, responding to another person,

7:49

prompted me to send this message.

7:55

This message was received by Jim

7:57

Brooklyn who

7:59

said, said, Hey Art, on

8:02

receiving this message, I

8:04

checked my own liquid-filled marine

8:07

covers set at due north today, and

8:11

guess what? It reads

8:13

five degrees northeast. You

8:17

just might ask some of your

8:19

great audience for more confirmation of

8:21

this unusual magnetic anomaly. Jim

8:24

Birkeland. Jim

8:28

Birkeland, the geologist. Well, let me

8:30

tell you, this

8:32

is not the first time, as many of

8:34

you know, that we have noted a magnetic

8:37

anomaly, magnetic

8:39

north drifting. And

8:43

so those of you who have stable

8:45

compasses, I would appreciate it

8:47

if you would take a look-see and

8:52

report to me what you find. This

8:55

would be the fourth or fifth

8:57

time that I've had reliable

9:00

information of a magnetic shift.

9:03

They've been occurring rather frequently over the last

9:05

18 months. The

9:10

following is really intriguing,

9:13

and I'm going to read it to

9:15

you as is, and you can take it

9:17

as you will. Hi

9:20

Art Bell. This

9:24

is a fax, by the way. It came in about

9:26

10 minutes before airtime. Hi Art Bell. I

9:29

was the person that rented an

9:31

apartment to the Mel Waters of

9:33

Mel's Hole fame when he

9:35

lived in Ellensburg. In

9:37

payment of his deposit, he

9:40

gave me an old P-38

9:42

pistol that he found on

9:44

his property while turning over

9:46

some soil for planting. The

9:50

P-38 was covered with dirt and a real mess,

9:52

I put it away, figuring it would be interesting

9:54

to clean up. I

9:57

have since moved away from Ellensburg, though I

9:59

miss a... terribly. A

10:02

couple of weeks ago I was unpacking the

10:04

last of my boxes and found the dirty

10:06

old P-38. So

10:08

I cleaned it up expecting a

10:10

horribly pitted and corroded firearm. If

10:14

nothing else, it might have some interesting

10:16

proofing marks that may

10:19

make it of some value. Cleaned it

10:21

up and guess what? It

10:23

was in pristine condition. I've seen worse looking

10:26

guns right out of the box. The

10:29

clip in the gun still

10:31

had cartridges in it. An

10:34

examination of the gun showed it to be working

10:37

in working order and I

10:39

couldn't wait to take it out for a test fire. I

10:42

did remove the cartridges and replace them with fresh

10:44

ones, 9 millimeter. An

10:48

odd thing about this gun besides the

10:50

pristine condition is there

10:53

are absolutely no tool

10:55

marks to be found on the gun. Very

10:58

odd indeed. I took

11:02

the gun to the range

11:04

and started with a test firing.

11:07

The gun misfired. At

11:10

least I thought it misfired.

11:13

No recoil, no blast.

11:16

I cleared the chamber only to

11:19

find that a round had indeed

11:21

been fired. The

11:23

target I put up 15

11:25

yards away had a perfect

11:27

bull's eye. I

11:30

just stood there shaking my head. Back

11:33

to the firing line, I emptied

11:35

the clip. No

11:37

recoil, no blast, absolute

11:41

silence. All

11:43

shots were bull's eyes. This

11:46

was some pretty good shooting for me. Though

11:49

I collect guns, I can barely hit the

11:51

broad side of a barn. In

11:54

total, I went through several boxes

11:56

of ammo. I was going

11:58

perfectly on target. that I

12:00

would never dream of even hitting.

12:03

What amazed me was that one round

12:05

vaporized a watermelon that I set about

12:07

20 feet away. After

12:09

the shot I couldn't find a seed

12:12

rind or bit of pulp anywhere I dread

12:14

to think what it would do to a

12:16

human or animal. Clearly

12:19

I was given something

12:21

amazing. I was both

12:24

freaked out and exhilarated what do I

12:26

have. The gun revealed

12:28

no proving marks. It

12:30

looked like a standard World War II

12:32

variety P-38. In fact, the

12:35

parts are interchangeable with other P-38s

12:37

that I have. I

12:40

cannot determine what material the gun is made

12:42

of. I can

12:44

tell you it will pass

12:46

through a metal detector without detection

12:49

and it is non-magnetic.

12:53

It will also pass through the airport as

12:55

I'm sorry the airport x-ray. Don't

12:58

ask me how I know this. The

13:01

gun is solid black but I swear at

13:03

times it seems

13:05

transparent. I'm

13:08

not sure how such a thing could

13:10

exist. It is

13:12

however a World War II design.

13:16

The old cartridges seem to have

13:18

bullets made of the

13:20

same material that the gun is made of.

13:24

I don't dare fire these cartridges because I

13:26

don't know what shape they're in. The

13:29

bullets however I have

13:31

reloaded with new cases and

13:33

charges. One

13:35

other observation about the gun, after

13:38

putting a couple of hundred rounds through it,

13:41

it required no cleaning. In fact,

13:45

it wasn't even warm after going

13:47

through several clips rapid fire. Now

13:51

I've weighed the gun unloaded on several

13:53

occasions each time it weighs differently.

13:58

The weight seems to fluctuate almost almost 40% up

14:01

or down. None

14:03

of my other P-38s do this. The

14:06

scales are accurate. I

14:10

have not been in touch with Mel since he

14:12

left the country. I do

14:14

wish to thank him for the fine firearm he

14:16

gave me. Mel also gave me

14:18

some Nazi insignia that he

14:20

found with the gun. I haven't

14:23

been able to locate the insignia yet. If

14:26

Mel wants to reach me, he can

14:28

reach me through his son. He knows

14:30

the number. Regards

14:32

Harold, and at his request

14:34

I withhold his last name.

14:38

Now, is that about the dandest story you've

14:41

ever heard or what? Harold,

14:43

obviously I would enjoy interviewing you.

14:46

It seems

14:50

like everything connected to Mel

14:52

Waters is

14:54

strange and bizarre in some way. So

14:57

I am not surprised by this, but

15:00

I am certainly intrigued. West

15:03

of the Rockies, you

15:06

are on the air. Good morning. Hello

15:08

there, Art. This is Fritz. Hi Fritz,

15:10

how are you? I enjoyed

15:12

the disclosure yesterday. Excellent piece of work

15:14

yesterday with Dr. James Johnson and Glenn

15:16

Vergheer. Thank you very much. I hope

15:18

it tosses the ball back to the

15:21

air for a second. That's what I

15:23

wanted to say, Colonel Haynes. You've got

15:25

to have a red face because I'm

15:27

sure it's going to reach us, the

15:30

Pentagon, because Dr. Johnson

15:32

will come out and say, hey, I took the pictures.

15:35

That's pretty strong. We're getting inches

15:37

by inches. We're getting closer. I

15:39

agree. Those bastards in the Pentagon

15:41

think you're fools. Keep going the

15:43

way you are, Art. Just keep going. All right,

15:45

my friend. Thank you. Yes,

15:48

I thought yesterday's program was

15:50

very important. I

15:53

think that without doubt, we

15:55

proved that what was there

15:58

Was at the very least a... The

16:00

combination. Of

16:03

a weather balloon of some sort. some

16:05

type, And. Things that has

16:07

nothing at all to do with a weather

16:09

balloon. And I think that tax. Requires.

16:12

An explanation from the Airforce. And.

16:16

They are welcome to examine the photographs.

16:18

They are genuine. We. Had

16:20

a man you're on the Air who took

16:22

them. Ever so long ago.

16:24

A half century ago. He.

16:26

Affirms, these are the photographs we

16:28

have an expert on. Who.

16:30

Affirms some of the material

16:33

in those photographs. Are

16:36

definitely is not part of any balloon.

16:39

So. Come on. Where. Does

16:41

that leave us? Was to the Rockies.

16:43

Your Amir I. Yeah.

16:45

This is just telling me away

16:48

seven eight hundred years and I

16:50

feel honest. You're not too loud.

16:52

Okay, I'll just wondered whether

16:54

you have heard anything about

16:56

a computer mutation. Oh.

17:00

That's the say this you got back from

17:02

Paris. as they

17:05

have a. Segment.

17:07

On A B C called Perspective

17:09

on the Radio. Yes and you

17:11

downs. Of Reporting. As

17:14

microprocessors has been found in

17:16

two or three extra diodes,

17:20

York City know. google.

17:23

Google Rules of ah ah

17:25

ah ah You mean processors?

17:27

I mean most Yes. microprocessors.

17:30

new setting themselves. Really interesting

17:32

thing about this was the

17:34

report says you know they

17:37

were strangest as a designed.

17:40

By says Michael processors wouldn't

17:42

work with houses are you

17:44

know as as kind of

17:47

like a human being ending

17:49

up with one little as

17:51

piece of je ne yeah

17:53

something like that of much

17:55

exonerates thank you very much

17:57

for would anybody with any

17:59

information the number of story

18:02

of a on what he

18:04

just said please contact me

18:06

for a microprocessor modify itself.

18:10

A d This is coast to

18:12

coast am. Home

19:05

watching them have not seen coast

19:07

to coast am with ourselves for

19:10

me to the movies Course at

19:12

one: Eight Hundred Eighty Five Point

19:14

Zero Three Boys most of the

19:16

want these including Montana Wyoming from

19:18

a lot of the ago At

19:20

one hundred Six one a day

19:22

to die by suicide bombers. Me

19:24

rejected every ago. Seven oh two,

19:26

Seventy seven, Twelve Forty two and

19:28

you have a backyard at every

19:31

ago. Seven those and seventy seven,

19:33

Eight or Nine nine. Limit

19:35

Your vices Minorities ages

19:38

this is goes to

19:40

goes am with our

19:43

bell now again views

19:45

are some shooter microprocessors

19:47

modifying themselves. as

19:55

well as a process now

19:58

what are some This

20:01

is already beginning to be

20:03

a very interesting evening, isn't

20:05

it? All right, back

20:07

to the lines. What's to the Rockies?

20:09

You're on the air. Hi.

20:12

Hello. Hello. That would be

20:14

me. How you doing? Hey, the

20:17

other night you were talking about the simulated

20:20

moon things, huh? The

20:23

Russians? Yes, the Russians are launching.

20:25

Indeed, I got a message today

20:27

from Linda Moulton Howe, and

20:30

she confirms this is occurring.

20:32

The November 9th date for

20:34

the first test launch is up in

20:37

the air. They don't know for sure

20:39

that it will launch then, but within

20:41

days... Uh-huh. Hey, I got... You

20:45

know, I understand you're a hammer. It's

20:47

a hammer radio. We

20:49

do not call ourselves hammers, sir. Well, what

20:51

do you do? What do you call yourself?

20:54

Amateur radio operators or hams,

20:56

but not hammers. Hammers

21:00

are something the Defense

21:02

Department buys for great sums

21:04

of money. Well, what about

21:07

all the simulated moon bounce

21:09

you get off them satellites

21:11

up there in orbit? Them satellites?

21:13

Well, you don't get... First of all,

21:15

moon bounce is bouncing a signal off

21:17

the moon, not a satellite. Well,

21:19

like if you're doing it with the moon, like what

21:21

is the moon but a satellite? It

21:24

is a satellite of the Earth, yes. Well,

21:27

it's pretty big though. I'm

21:30

just being facetious. No, not entirely. So

21:33

you know not what you say. It is

21:35

possible. I do know what I say. It

21:37

is possible that some bounce

21:39

might be achieved by a large mirror

21:41

in space. Sure. Some scatter,

21:44

sure. What I really

21:46

called for was your knowledge

21:49

of radios, okay? Okay.

21:51

I have a question for you. All right.

21:53

I have an ATS 909, all right? Right.

21:56

Great radio. I know. That's

21:58

how it feels. quite some time.

22:01

How does it

22:03

rank alongside the SONI 55? Are you familiar

22:05

with that one? No,

22:10

I'm not. I'm not the SONI,

22:12

but yeah, the SONI. Oh,

22:14

SONI. SONI 55,

22:16

yeah. You

22:18

know? The 909 is

22:21

in every way superior to any SONI

22:24

that I have yet tested. Have you

22:28

tested the 55 model? I'm

22:31

not familiar with the 55 model. Mm-hmm.

22:35

It's the

22:38

same configuration basically as the

22:41

SONG, but it's at almost $200 more. I

22:47

was just curious, but it doesn't have half the features.

22:51

I have a feeling you may be referring to

22:54

another model. Would you do me a favor and

22:56

check out that model number and get back to

22:58

me, because I think you might be off a

23:00

little. Are you sure? Yeah, I think so. Okay.

23:02

All right. Thank you, Art. I thank

23:04

you, but I have done extensive SONI as a

23:06

damn good radio. No

23:09

question about that. They

23:11

make good radios, but

23:14

the SONG 909 right

23:16

now beats them into the ground. My

23:19

observation about SONI is that

23:23

it has too much sensitivity, and when

23:25

you add any sort of antenna, it

23:28

goes into overload. The

23:31

909 does not have that problem,

23:35

so that is my observation, but make no

23:37

mistake, they make good radios, I would never

23:39

say otherwise. International Line,

23:41

you're on the air. Hi. Hi,

23:43

Art. It's Jessie Vavenby. Hi there. I

23:46

just had an observation about that

23:48

guy with that P38 that stayed

23:51

in the facts. What a story, huh? B.S.

23:55

I'll continue to say B.S. until somebody

23:57

produces the gun for example. by

24:01

a manufacturer or designer. Well, I would

24:03

presume after writing this that he would be prepared

24:05

to do that. I'd like to see

24:07

it because I don't know a lot of those

24:09

firearms, but I know some. And

24:12

I've shot a lot of rounds for a lot of different pencils

24:14

and revolvers. So have I. And

24:19

I can't see a firearm

24:21

having that kind of impact on an ordinary

24:23

round. Well, what can I

24:26

tell you? You

24:29

know as much as I know. Well,

24:32

I shot a few rounds through P38,

24:34

and they have a bit of a

24:36

bite. I hear you. And

24:38

I just... This man obviously is well aware

24:40

of it. He's got other P38s, so... Some

24:44

of it did ring true, like that thing about not being able

24:46

to hit the broad side of a barn. I think that pretty

24:48

well stands for most collectors. That's why we

24:50

get to be collectors. But

24:53

the thing is, I'd

24:55

really like for this guy to come up with

24:57

a firearm, for example. And I think that's a

25:00

good thing. Well, I think there are two steps.

25:02

Step one would be to interview this gentleman on

25:04

the air. And

25:06

step two would be then to get

25:09

some photographs and have an examination of

25:11

the gun. Yeah, sure. I'm

25:14

with you. Yeah, he's probably

25:16

come up saying that he's reluctant to do

25:18

it because he doesn't want him to steal the

25:20

design or whatever, blah, blah, blah. Well, I

25:22

think I might be too if I had

25:24

this gun. It's kind of

25:28

like if you had some

25:31

really interesting mental power

25:34

and you could read people's minds,

25:37

you would have to think about 100 times

25:40

before you ever told somebody

25:42

that. Why? Because

25:44

you're liable to end up on

25:46

some government table that guy's

25:48

accepted piece by piece. Yeah,

25:51

duct tape down and he's taking pieces

25:53

off. You got to duct tape

25:55

down and touched in

25:57

places where you don't want to be touched. Wildcard

26:00

line, you're on the air. Hello. All right. That's

26:03

neat. You got Greg

26:05

running the 9550K TRS in St.

26:07

Louis. Oh, yes. And where they're

26:10

setting everyone's agenda around the water cooler

26:12

with programs from Art Bell

26:14

Coast to Coast. And

26:17

I was just wondering, I sent a

26:20

certified package to you a

26:23

few weeks ago on a

26:25

three-day express mail. And

26:30

it curiously took about 10 days

26:32

to get the card back. It

26:35

was received. I was just wondering if you received that.

26:38

Oh, I would imagine I did. What was it? I

26:41

was talking about the

26:43

story of the German U-boat,

26:45

U-909. And

26:48

Ningalow's trip from

26:50

Grammerhaven to Montevideo.

26:53

Oh, yes. And I'm

26:56

sure it must have been Ningalow because that's

26:59

where he wound up in Uruguay. Well, many of them,

27:01

of course, did. And I'm

27:03

certain that he came

27:06

over to work

27:08

with the US scientist

27:12

on his twin research. And

27:15

I talked about cloning. And I mentioned

27:17

the Philadelphia experiment, which I've learned a lot

27:19

more about from your program, and

27:22

a few other things, including some ideas

27:24

I gave to the late Senator Barry

27:27

Goldwater, who unfortunately died

27:30

right about the same time I sent this package.

27:32

What is the upshot of all this? I

27:35

was wondering if anyone would be interested

27:39

in knowing the details

27:43

of this plan I gave to Senator

27:46

Goldwater when I went to Washington in

27:48

1974. No, no, no.

27:50

It depends on what the plan is.

27:52

You have a project. Project Grand Slam.

27:54

And it was designed to win the

27:56

whole project. What? Project Grand

27:58

Slam. Grand. It

28:01

was a multi-faceted

28:04

program to bring down the

28:07

Iron Curtain to liberate

28:10

the over-run countries and... Well, I

28:12

hate to break this to you, but the Iron Curtain has

28:14

already come down. Yes, I know. That's

28:17

because of ideas in this

28:19

plan that was initiated when the New York

28:21

Board was president. All

28:24

right. I'm going to call,

28:26

and it sounds like a great idea to

28:28

me, but

28:30

it's a little like submitting a plan

28:33

to prevent the assassination of President

28:35

Kennedy to President Clinton.

28:39

East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

28:43

All right. Yes. Yes.

28:46

In reference to your program last night, the

28:50

Russian one? Yes.

28:53

I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. Wait a minute.

28:56

A Russian program? I didn't do a Russian program, was there? The

29:01

big mirror they were putting up. Oh,

29:03

I see. Yes. Mm-hmm.

29:06

Yeah. I'm sorry. They're

29:08

putting up hundreds of them. Right. There's

29:11

a... Well, anyway, there was an interesting piece

29:13

in the Sue Daley Star on the 22nd.

29:18

I had it, and I tried to get through to

29:20

you last night, but I couldn't get on. About that

29:23

subject? Yes. Yes. Well,

29:25

you know, it's very interesting. When I aired

29:27

it, and I would say I was the

29:29

first in the country to air it, everybody

29:31

sent me mail and said, you are such

29:33

a liar. There's no such thing. And now,

29:35

of course, it's showing up in newspapers all

29:37

over the country. Yeah. Well,

29:39

this was out yesterday. Yes.

29:43

Yeah. Apparently, this here... What's the name

29:45

of it now? No, no, no. It's a... It's

29:48

a... It's a... It's

29:50

a... It's a... It's a... Oh,

29:54

it's a ale... No!

30:00

2.5 first satellite that's going to be launched

30:02

on around the 9th of November. Okay.

30:07

Later on in there, this thing has

30:09

two columns and it's six inches long.

30:12

Anyway, the first is Amnesia 2. So

30:15

what I gather from that, the 2.5 must be bigger.

30:19

Yes, you are correct, sir. And it

30:21

will radiate about 10 times the

30:25

brightness of a full moon. And this

30:27

is still only a test shot. The

30:31

real program lays down a line

30:34

a little bit. And

30:36

it would produce hundreds of satellites, each

30:39

one. I repeat, each

30:41

one capable of producing 100

30:44

times the brightness of a full moon.

30:47

You're going to lay back a little bit and think

30:49

about that. That's

30:52

a lot of light. That's

30:55

what the Antarctic needs. West

30:58

of the Rockies, you're on air. Hi.

31:01

Hi, all right. Yes. Calling

31:03

from Como country, Seattle. Yes, ma'am. I

31:06

have two things, one funny and the

31:08

other just on those moons. Well,

31:11

Seattle is one of the areas to be affected

31:13

by the first time. Well, get somebody up there

31:15

with a paintball gun. Somebody

31:18

up where? I'll send them

31:21

out in a face craft with

31:23

a paintball gun and squirt each mirror.

31:26

I see. And paint

31:28

in black, huh? Yes. I've

31:30

got an animal story for you. Okay.

31:34

My granddaughter, her grandsons live with

31:36

me and they have a poodle. And

31:39

the poodle likes to swing on swings. We

31:43

have an old fashioned lawn swing in the

31:45

backyard. My

31:47

son-in-law was swinging on it and then he came in

31:49

the house and came back out. There's the

31:51

poodle sitting on the swing, swinging himself.

31:55

My daughter went down to the park with him

31:57

one day and he pulled the leash

31:59

over by the swings so she's taken him in the

32:02

kitty swings and he's just in seventh heaven.

32:04

I wonder if anybody else has a dog

32:06

that likes to swing. I've

32:08

never heard of that before. You would think a dog

32:10

would kind of get ill. Well, she

32:12

said somebody else came along with their dog

32:14

and they said, oh, do dogs like to swing?

32:16

And she said, I don't know, but this one

32:18

does. They put their dog in and their dog

32:20

freaked out. But Louie loves

32:22

to swing. Well, there are

32:24

animals that love to do weird things. I think

32:27

you, I saw them. Some

32:29

monkeys the other day water

32:31

skiing. There's

32:34

two monkeys, water skiing. And then as

32:36

a grand finale, one

32:39

of the monkeys was pulled in and drove

32:41

the boat while the other monkey water skied.

32:51

Saw it on CNN. East of the

32:53

Rockies, you're on there. Hi. I'd

32:55

like to comment on the Russian

32:58

movie. Yes. This

33:02

would cause mass hysteria

33:04

and confusion. Well, it

33:07

would upset the scaredy and rhythms of

33:10

just about every living thing you

33:12

can imagine. Yeah. Including

33:14

me. And everyone else. How

33:16

dare they attempt to convert my nighttime show

33:19

to a daytime show. I'm not going to

33:21

stand for it. That would be insane. No.

33:27

Well, I enjoy listening to your show.

33:29

Where are you? I'm in Atlanta.

33:32

Atlanta? WGST. All

33:34

right. Well, I thank you for

33:36

the call. And I

33:38

guess the Southern latitudes, at least in the

33:41

initial stages of this, don't have anything to

33:43

worry about. But if you're up North, be

33:47

prepared for light. Now,

33:50

let's see. If they were to do this in

33:52

November, for example,

33:55

in Anchorage or

33:57

Fairbanks, where no Normally

34:00

it is very dark. Well,

34:02

you guys are going to get a real treat.

34:06

You're going to get sudden light. See,

34:10

in Fairbanks by November 9th, I would

34:12

guess most of the day would be

34:14

darkness. Most of the night, all

34:17

of the night would be darkness and the majority of the

34:19

day as well. And

34:21

so it would be a very dramatic appearance

34:23

indeed west of the Rockies. You're on the

34:25

air. Ah, hello, Art.

34:27

Yes. My

34:30

dash is just spiffy. Great.

34:33

This is Eric I'm calling from Central

34:35

California. Yes, Eric. Do you

34:37

remember some time back a

34:39

guy gave his iguana CPR? Yeah, I

34:42

do. I just wanted to let

34:44

you know that since that

34:47

time, I've come to realize that

34:49

the American Red

34:52

Cross now gives CPR

34:54

lessons to pet owners on

34:57

how to revive your pet. And

35:00

I thought that was... Well, look,

35:04

you know, I thought about it

35:06

and of course when you hear about

35:08

it dispassionately, giving an iguana a mouth

35:10

to beak or whatever, it

35:15

sounds horrible. But if

35:17

it's your pet, for example, one of my

35:19

cats, I would do it.

35:24

Wouldn't you? Oh, I would too. Certainly,

35:27

especially if it was one of my kids, if it was

35:29

one of my kids' pets especially.

35:32

Ah, but I have a question. Have

35:36

you heard of Roger Penrose? I've heard

35:38

the name, yes. He's the

35:40

Rous... Rous Ball Professor

35:42

of Mathematics at Oxford. Yes. And

35:46

when he was a child, he

35:49

came up with a construction

35:51

called the Penrose

35:53

Triangle. The Penrose Triangle? The

35:56

Penrose Triangle, yes. Okay. And

35:58

M.C. Escher. Are

36:02

you familiar with him? No,

36:04

and I don't have time to become familiar with him

36:07

because we're coming up on the top of the alley.

36:09

I appreciate the call. By the way, he began the

36:11

call by saying, how's your dash? And

36:14

if you've ever looked at a tombstone, you'll

36:17

notice it gives the name and a year and

36:21

the dash and then the year of

36:23

death. The dash refers

36:25

to that period of life. As

36:27

in now. Here's your dash. We'll

36:30

be right back. Your listening

36:32

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36:36

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38:06

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38:09

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38:46

is close to Coast AM, from the

38:48

Kingdom of Nye, with Art Bell. It

38:50

is, and there really is some interesting

38:52

news going on. I've got a story

38:54

here about a gun that you just

38:56

wouldn't believe. Somebody called in

38:59

the last half hour and

39:01

said that they had just

39:03

received news, actually ran on

39:06

ABC, that some

39:08

microprocessor chips had been noticed

39:10

to modify themselves of late.

39:13

And I'm digging for information on that one

39:15

too. Coming up

39:17

in just a few moments is

39:19

Albert Taylor, Dr. Al Taylor. And

39:23

of course he has a book called Soul Traveler

39:25

and a very, very,

39:28

very unique, and I'm going to

39:31

try and find some words for it. I

39:33

had a hell of a thing happen to me in Paris, and

39:36

I'm going to talk about it with Al in a

39:39

moment. Now, Al's book is not

39:41

available right now. How about that? I have

39:43

a guest on who doesn't even have a

39:45

book available right now. It's all sold out.

39:48

But it will be coming out big

39:50

time, along with a big, I

39:52

don't know, 15-city tour or something,

39:54

in August or September, we'll ask

39:56

Al about that. to

40:00

me in Paris, I wanted to have Alan for just

40:02

a little while tonight to kind

40:04

of roll through what happened to me.

40:06

It was the most unusual experience of

40:08

my life. There is no question about

40:10

it. Now, in

40:13

just a moment, you are about to

40:16

meet a truly fascinating man who

40:19

introduced me, I guess, in a way, to

40:22

the reality of travel

40:26

outside the body or the prospect of

40:28

it. And for so

40:30

long, I intellectualized about it and

40:32

listened to stories about it and

40:35

heard from so many of you about it and

40:38

then all of a sudden with no

40:40

warning whatsoever, it happened

40:42

to me. Alright, aeronautical

40:44

engineer scientist Albert Taylor

40:48

spent almost two decades evaluating

40:51

satellite system designs and

40:54

multiple government classified programs including

40:57

the Star Wars and F-117A

40:59

stealth fighter programs at

41:01

major aerospace companies in Southern California.

41:04

The knowledge he gained there eventually led

41:06

to his involvement in

41:08

NASA's International Space Station

41:10

program. And by the way, there

41:13

is an announcement tonight indicating

41:16

the Space Station, the International Space Station

41:18

again is going to be delayed. Albert

41:21

has also developed two prototype computers

41:24

and taught art and

41:26

logistics engineering, real hands-on

41:29

engineering. Albert Taylor

41:31

is currently a metaphysical researcher,

41:33

lecturer and artist. He

41:35

is an active member of the International

41:37

Association of Near-Death Studies, a

41:40

participant in the Monroe

41:42

Institute's Voyager's program and

41:45

volunteers his time at a Los

41:47

Angeles hospital hospice program. Here

41:50

is Albert Taylor. Albert, welcome back to

41:52

the program. Thank you, Argan. It's a

41:54

pleasure to be here. It's great to

41:56

have you. Let's see, there are a

41:59

couple of things that I wish to ask you about.

42:03

Just before we get into the real meat of

42:05

where we're going here, there

42:07

is a very, very interesting story.

42:12

I don't know if you heard me talking about it

42:14

on the air or not, but

42:16

it seems the Russians have some

42:18

pretty interesting plans.

42:21

They're going to launch November 9th,

42:24

or within days of that date, a

42:28

reflector into space that

42:30

will reflect back

42:32

to Earth about 10 times

42:34

the light of a full moon.

42:38

Now, that will be

42:40

a test that will last just a few days.

42:42

It is then going to be followed by, this

42:45

is Energia, the

42:47

big consortium Energia. Then

42:50

they're going to launch hundreds of satellites, each

42:53

one capable of reflecting back to

42:55

Earth 100

42:57

times the light of a

42:59

full moon. Now,

43:03

how does that idea strike you? Well,

43:07

I don't think it's as big

43:09

a deal as they're making it out to be. The

43:12

space station, when it's built, you will be able

43:14

to see it crossing over the sky with the

43:16

naked eye. Right. I don't

43:19

know. It depends on

43:21

what the goal is. I hadn't heard much

43:23

about it, so I don't know the purpose. The goal

43:25

is to turn night into day. For

43:28

what purpose, though? Just to say I

43:30

can do it? Well,

43:33

of course, they have, in some

43:35

parts of Russia, very long winter nights.

43:39

I suppose for productivity, to

43:43

eliminate the need for street lights, it said

43:45

in the story, for

43:47

all kinds of reasons. To

43:50

imagine, now, a satellite capable of

43:52

reflecting back to Earth light

43:54

100 times the brightness of

43:58

the full moon, that's quite a bit of light. It's

44:00

not the sun, but it's a hell of a lot of light.

44:03

If you have hundreds of them, then

44:06

you're talking about some pretty serious light.

44:08

It would be like Alaska or something.

44:10

Yeah. This month of sunlight. Exactly.

44:13

I don't know. I

44:15

don't know. The International

44:17

Space Station, by the way, has once

44:19

again been delayed

44:22

financial reasons, I suppose. I'm

44:26

glad to hear because it doesn't look like Mir

44:28

is going to last very much longer. Well,

44:31

they spent three times the budget that

44:33

was originally projected for the space station.

44:36

It's gone through numerous redesigns. I

44:39

think when I was there, we were in our

44:41

fourth redesign and that was because of Clinton coming

44:43

into office. So I'm really saddened by

44:46

that because the first element launch should have been

44:48

off like last year, maybe a year

44:50

ago. And as a taxpayer

44:52

and a space enthusiast, that's really very, very

44:54

saddening and disappointing. I'll give you some idea.

44:56

Here it is. Just cleared

44:58

the wires. Cape Canaveral. The

45:01

International Space Station. It slipped from 1992 to four, then 95

45:03

to 96 to 97 to 98. Now

45:08

it looks like NASA's space station is delayed

45:10

again. Not only that, the

45:13

solid space station will cost more than promise

45:15

because of all the setbacks and changes, at least

45:17

$3.6 billion more for now a whopping 21% increase.

45:24

Right. It's very

45:27

sad. I think they're beginning to rethink the whole thing

45:29

and I just wonder if we're going to go to

45:31

space. It's very sad. I

45:33

don't know. We've been using the Russian Mir space

45:35

station and that thing is really in bad shape.

45:38

We really need an International Space Station, not

45:40

just for different types of experiments and

45:43

things that we're going to develop, but

45:45

also as kind of a

45:48

transit base to the moon and

45:50

to Mars. Right. It's very sad.

45:53

Right. Now on

45:56

to, from the hard sciences,

45:59

on to what I really... really want to talk to

46:01

you about. You and I have done, what have

46:03

you figured, half

46:07

dozen shows? This is the sixth one. It

46:12

all began when people would call me up on the

46:14

phone and say, hey Art, something really

46:16

weird is happening to me. I'm

46:19

paralyzed at night, kind of in a

46:22

half-sleep, half-in and half-out-of-sleep state.

46:25

Paralyzed, can't move a bone,

46:27

scary as hell. I

46:29

hear a buzzing sound in my head,

46:32

I guess is a way to put it. Of

46:38

course, they

46:41

led me to you. You have

46:43

a book called Soul Traveler and you maintain

46:46

that our souls, our essence,

46:49

may under certain circumstances

46:52

actually leave our body.

46:55

Correct? Correct. 100%. Well, I

46:57

have listened academically and been

47:03

fascinated by the whole prospect and

47:05

I've heard caller after caller say

47:07

they have done it. Of course,

47:09

I have never done it. I've had the initial

47:12

stages a couple of times of

47:14

this buzzing and humming and feeling

47:17

of being paralyzed but I always

47:19

jerked back. Then

47:21

I went on vacation to Paris,

47:24

took my wife to Paris. We love that

47:26

city despite what some

47:28

people think of the French. It's

47:31

a beautiful city, very romantic

47:33

and there

47:35

we were in this very nice hotel and

47:38

I can't

47:41

tell you whether I was asleep or

47:43

not. I'm really not

47:45

sure as I think back on it now. Well,

47:48

your body was asleep. Okay.

47:52

I've had plenty of flying dreams.

47:54

I love flying and I've

47:56

had flying dreams and when

47:58

I wake up I know that I have just... had a

48:00

flying dream. There is no question in my

48:02

mind. I've never said to myself, my God,

48:04

I was out of my body. I've

48:07

just said to myself, wow, what a cool

48:09

dream. I knew it was a dream. But

48:14

here I was laying there and

48:16

this is going to be hard Albert

48:19

because it's hard to come

48:21

up with the words to

48:23

impart the profound feeling that

48:26

I had. But all at

48:28

once, with

48:30

no notice whatsoever, no buzzing, no

48:32

humming, no feeling of

48:35

being paralyzed, Albert, I

48:37

shot up like a

48:39

rocket. I mean straight

48:41

up. There

48:45

was absolutely, even

48:47

though there was tremendous

48:49

acceleration, there was no

48:51

feeling of acceleration. In other words,

48:57

when you accelerate, you expect to be

48:59

pushed back in your seat or using

49:02

the photographs of the astronauts with their

49:04

lips beginning to curl back as the

49:06

acceleration presses on them. No

49:09

physical feeling of acceleration whatsoever.

49:11

But the acceleration was tremendous.

49:14

I just went whoosh, right

49:16

up and Albert, I

49:19

was above Paris. I was

49:21

looking down on Paris. I was

49:23

looking down on the Eiffel Tower.

49:25

I was looking down on the

49:27

hotel in the downtown section. But

49:29

that was all secondary. What

49:32

I really felt, and

49:34

this is where words begin to fail me,

49:37

I felt this

49:45

incredibly profound joy.

49:48

Joy is not the right word.

49:50

Rapture. A

49:52

feeling of rapture. I mean just a

49:55

wondrous feeling. And it

49:57

so surprised me and it shocked

49:59

me. so much

50:01

then I snapped right back. I

50:07

woke up my wife, I woke

50:09

up Boromona, I said, you wouldn't

50:11

believe what just happened. I

50:15

said, you wouldn't believe what just happened to me. And

50:18

she's going, and I'm sort of laying

50:20

this out for her. And

50:25

even then it was hard, I couldn't

50:28

produce the words, I

50:30

said, honey, it was so

50:32

incredible, so amazing that

50:35

I came right back to tell you. And

50:38

I don't know what happened to me Albert, I don't know what

50:40

happened to me, but I know that

50:43

it was no dream, it was no flying

50:45

dream, I can assure you this was something

50:47

in a whole new realm. Right. It's

50:50

what I've been talking about Art for so

50:52

very long. No notice. No

50:54

notice. You just had a spontaneous out

50:57

of body, you don't necessarily have to

50:59

experience all the buzzing, the vibration and

51:01

the heaviness and the shortness of breath

51:03

and all that. Sometimes you can transition

51:05

that so quickly that you just accelerate

51:08

to extreme distances. The

51:11

wonderful thing about this whole thing Art

51:14

is that since you've experienced this, like

51:16

I said before, you've gone from a

51:18

belief or trying to understand it to

51:20

an actual knowing. Yeah. No

51:22

matter what anyone else says to you ever

51:24

again in life, you can't look at it

51:26

differently, you look at it this way forever.

51:30

And the most wonderful thing about the whole

51:32

experience Art is that's as dead as you're

51:34

ever going to get. That's

51:38

as dead as you're ever going to

51:40

get. That's what it

51:42

feels like to be there. So if that's what

51:44

it feels like and it was a wonderful experience,

51:47

then that should take a little bit of the

51:49

fear out of death. Well

51:51

I've always said sleep is a little slice of

51:53

death. I

51:58

think it's wonderful Art. to talk

52:00

about it for so very long.

52:03

I think we've been talking about this for almost

52:05

two years now. That's right. And to actually, this

52:07

is what I've been telling people, just because you

52:09

haven't had one in your life doesn't mean you

52:11

will never have one. There are

52:13

certain things, situations that set up just

52:15

right that a person can have an

52:17

auto buy experience. And if you have

52:19

that, that is such a wonderful thing because

52:21

you truly know beyond the shadow of a

52:24

doubt that you are spirit. You're more

52:26

than your physical body. No

52:28

question about it. No question

52:30

about it. Now, I

52:33

can't know for sure that what

52:35

you say is so that, in other words,

52:37

that I

52:39

did this while I'm alive. Now, I don't

52:42

know what lies beyond the barrier of

52:45

death. I have no way of knowing for

52:47

sure, but I do know that this

52:49

happened to me. And I do know

52:52

there is no question about it. My

52:55

spirit, my essence was absolutely flat

52:57

out of my body. It

52:59

was very short, or at

53:02

least it seemed extremely short

53:04

to me. And there's no

53:08

real reference of time. I do remember

53:11

seeing the physical things below me, but they were absolutely

53:16

secondary to this immense joy

53:20

that I was having, this immense feeling of,

53:22

oh, God, what's

53:25

the right word? Well, you visited home for

53:27

a brief period of time. That's

53:29

what it's like to go home. That's our

53:31

natural state. We forget that in the

53:33

physical form. So that's

53:35

what you experience, and it's a

53:37

wonderful thing. It's equivalent of almost

53:39

having a near-death experience without actually going

53:42

through the trauma. And

53:44

there's more. You just test the tip of

53:46

the iceberg, Art. There's a lot more to

53:48

it than that. And that's

53:50

what... And if you imagine doing that, I've been doing

53:52

it since I was five years old. I just didn't know

53:54

what it was until about seven to eight years ago. And

53:57

Since then, I've been experimenting with and trying different

53:59

things. The recliner and having and

54:01

thousand. And. That's

54:04

what's changed my perspective on a school

54:06

and what we are on the flanks.

54:08

Maybe a better word would be ecstasy.

54:11

Unusual. So. Astoundingly.

54:14

Wonderful that. There

54:17

there was a let down. When I have, that's

54:19

yeah. Yeah I

54:21

mean that was a surprise and as a toy

54:23

him if something happened but it was a less

54:26

down when I get back in the sense that.

54:28

Was. I want to go back

54:30

there again. Yeah, such as that of

54:32

like you know that nam around here

54:34

you stand in line for like thirty

54:37

minutes and the right only last a

54:39

minute jirgas. It's an exciting thing. bananas

54:41

overweight to quit. On

54:43

know or or most out

54:46

of body experience is sas.

54:48

Now. That's a very it all depends

54:51

on the individual arm as an hour

54:53

for three hours. At one

54:55

time as of it just depends on the

54:57

individual. You miss your

54:59

time I saw I know time I went to

55:01

say it ends as soon as I return. It's

55:04

not like I was kind of my body sleeping.

55:06

I return reconnect and sit up and was that

55:08

that the cloth. So. And

55:10

that's what I documented in my book because

55:12

the thing about the whole experience or. Is

55:15

that people ask me about losing

55:17

it But you know what I think

55:20

the best proof is having the increases

55:22

your like this sub has the experience

55:24

so that oh look there's no question

55:27

about five years old on our as

55:29

a bottom of the our goals

55:31

it. is yes

55:33

i absolutely had never before i

55:36

wonder if you've ever again Not

56:30

again. Here's Nuclear. Hey,

56:34

good morning everybody. Albert Taylor is here. He's

56:36

both a sole traveler. You can't get it

56:38

right now. It's sold out, but it

56:41

will be out soon big fashion.

56:45

Now we'll get back to him in a moment. All

56:48

right. Here is an obvious question now

56:50

for you. I have, when I'm

56:53

working, when I'm doing

56:55

the program as I am now, I

56:57

have an despite necessity, an

56:59

extremely structured life. In

57:04

other words, I'm on the

57:06

air at a certain time. I've got to devote

57:08

five hours to the program, X number

57:10

of hours to preparing for the program and

57:13

business during the day and I sleep in

57:16

two segments, one in the morning, one in

57:18

the afternoon. It's a very structured day. It

57:20

has to be that way now. It's

57:23

not that I mind. It's

57:25

just the way it is. I've never had this experience.

57:28

Here I go off

57:31

on vacation, other side of

57:33

the world, and suddenly my entire schedule

57:38

has changed. I'm

57:41

no longer under any of the pressures that

57:43

I was under. I'm on

57:46

vacation and suddenly this incredible

57:48

astounding thing happens to me.

57:50

The obvious question is, was

57:53

it because I was in a different

57:56

place? Was it because my life was

57:58

suddenly topsy-turvy? Was it because all the The pressures

58:00

were gone. Why would

58:02

it happen? It was because your sleep

58:04

pattern was interrupted. It was

58:07

different than it normally is. When

58:09

you sleep a normal eight hours, generally

58:12

you sleep too heavy. That's why

58:14

when I wrote in my book, when

58:16

I discovered what I call the interruptive

58:18

sleep technique, I found that if I

58:20

only slept for maybe four hours and I was up

58:23

for a few hours and I went back to bed, which

58:25

you may have done kind of a similar

58:27

thing in Paris, I found that I was

58:29

able to leave the body. But I do

58:31

that here. The difference is,

58:33

of course, that I've got business

58:35

all day long. But

58:39

there are a number of factors. It

58:42

could have been the lack of tension, the lack

58:44

of preparation. When I tell people to do things,

58:46

you don't get up and start doing all kinds

58:48

of activities like working, preparing for a show, things

58:50

like that. It really

58:52

has a lot to do with relaxation. Now,

58:55

if you were having a wonderful, relaxing time

58:57

there, that is a major plus. Oh, look,

58:59

it was wonderful. I sat and I read

59:01

Jay Krakauer's In the Thin Air about the

59:04

Everest business. I was reading books, had time

59:06

to do things that I don't have time

59:08

to do when I'm doing the show

59:10

during the week. It was a completely different atmosphere.

59:13

If only we could do it here.

59:17

All right, here's somebody

59:19

who writes, comment for

59:21

Al Taylor, caution, caution, caution, caution.

59:25

All right. Spontaneous OBEs are one thing. I've

59:27

had many and congrats on your Paris trip.

59:30

However, both times that Al Taylor has been

59:33

on extolling the pleasures of

59:35

self-induced disturbed sleep for OBEs,

59:37

in other words, setting

59:39

your alarm in essence to wake you in

59:42

four hours, he fails to point out the

59:44

painful consequences and danger to

59:46

one's physical and mental health.

59:49

Deep disturbance to stage four deep

59:53

sleep is the major contributing

59:55

factor to fibromyalgia

59:58

and chronic fatigue. syndrome, our

1:00:01

four stages of sleep are sequential

1:00:03

for a reason. This is when

1:00:05

our bodies are supposed to be

1:00:07

repairing and restoring cells and

1:00:10

tissues in the joints that we use

1:00:12

up daily, not

1:00:14

flying around the cosmos just for

1:00:16

fun. So he

1:00:18

says it's irresponsible not to bring this up.

1:00:20

So I am. Well, all

1:00:23

I can say is that I've taught this

1:00:25

to literally thousands and thousands and thousands of

1:00:27

people and I get literally from your show

1:00:30

in the last few years hundreds

1:00:32

of thousands of letters maybe, I don't

1:00:34

know, so many and not one of

1:00:36

those people have complained about their

1:00:39

bodies, their health degrading, having

1:00:42

problems. Everyone that I've talked

1:00:44

to and this

1:00:46

is people who've had near-death experiences and still

1:00:48

have out of life experiences because of

1:00:51

it and hundreds of other people, no one

1:00:53

has been worse off, almost

1:00:56

all have been better off. So I'm just

1:00:58

going by what I've experienced, not what I'm

1:01:00

guessing at. I'd rather

1:01:02

go and tell you what I have feedback on

1:01:04

and what I've experienced myself and here I am,

1:01:07

I've been doing it all my life and I'm

1:01:09

perfectly fine. I can only go

1:01:11

by that. Now if it does exist, I would

1:01:13

say even if one person wrote me today or

1:01:15

even if ten people wrote me today and said

1:01:17

they were having problems, they would

1:01:19

be in the minority out of all the

1:01:21

hundreds of thousands of people who don't have

1:01:24

problems. So I'm not

1:01:26

saying that go out and do this.

1:01:28

This is something that you have to

1:01:30

really kind of understand that it's a

1:01:32

lot more than just a physical body.

1:01:35

The physical body does not dictate the spirit.

1:01:37

It's the other way around. So all the

1:01:39

things that we can say is going to

1:01:41

happen to the physical body, it doesn't really

1:01:44

apply because the spirit has a lot of

1:01:46

control over the body that we don't exercise.

1:01:50

Okay, another note Albert. I didn't

1:01:52

notice any, or at least I

1:01:54

don't recall any physical

1:01:57

presence of myself. This

1:01:59

was in I didn't

1:02:02

see myself, I don't remember looking

1:02:04

at myself, I

1:02:06

don't even remember that. So I don't recall

1:02:08

any physical presence. This was utterly a detached

1:02:12

spiritual kind of thing that happened

1:02:14

to me. Even though I

1:02:16

was able to look down on Paris,

1:02:18

it was very much a secondary thing.

1:02:21

So you didn't experience

1:02:23

flying in the astral body? Well,

1:02:26

that's what I was about to ask you. In other words, where

1:02:28

was I? Well, it

1:02:30

sounds like if you didn't see your hands,

1:02:32

your astral hands, if you would have seen

1:02:34

them, you would have definitely remembered them because

1:02:36

they'd look like nothing I've ever seen before.

1:02:39

But if you didn't experience the astral

1:02:42

form, then that's another positive thing because

1:02:44

that probably implies that you were experiencing

1:02:46

the asearic body. And if the asearic

1:02:48

body is a lot different than the

1:02:50

astral form, it's not necessarily humanoid. It's

1:02:53

more like a pinpoint of consciousness. Or

1:02:55

even if someone, I'd say, could look

1:02:57

at you from afar, you would be

1:02:59

this brilliant source of light.

1:03:04

So that may be what you experience. Usually

1:03:06

when I have experience, because I don't always

1:03:08

fly or travel with the astral form, I

1:03:10

found out early on that I could leave

1:03:12

it. And when I've done that, that's when

1:03:14

usually I can see the room in all directions.

1:03:16

I don't see my body, I don't look down and

1:03:18

see my legs, there's nothing there. So

1:03:21

that might be what you

1:03:23

experience. There was nothing slow

1:03:25

about this. It was like

1:03:27

that. I was just, I was gone. I was

1:03:30

up there suddenly. And I was in this state

1:03:32

of ecstasy. Right. And that's another

1:03:35

indication because generally when you just

1:03:37

have an astral projection, because not

1:03:39

all the body experiences are astral

1:03:41

projection. There's some beyond the astral

1:03:43

plane. So generally when

1:03:45

you have an astral projection, you

1:03:47

don't necessarily get that wonderful feeling

1:03:50

that you got. The wonderful feeling

1:03:52

comes when you get closer back

1:03:54

to where we originated, back to

1:03:56

our natural Self. So That's what

1:03:58

it sounds like you experience. The

1:04:00

sad part of. This. Wonderful! The

1:04:02

family are happy. That makes me. Know

1:04:05

it made me happy to see that

1:04:08

that is right word. It made me

1:04:10

more than happy to have used his

1:04:12

vision and I wish that I should

1:04:14

come up. with the of.

1:04:18

The right words. To.

1:04:20

It's hard to my audience. So

1:04:22

absolutely amazing. This was like of

1:04:25

words whoop com the are simply

1:04:27

not words for this. Now it

1:04:29

is if I'd south lot of

1:04:31

people and he added you have

1:04:34

twelve million portal of miles and

1:04:36

much people now. As having

1:04:38

had this experience of having heard.

1:04:40

All the fearful of other places

1:04:42

and things that people federal law

1:04:44

school year and nine other what

1:04:46

he wants experience that again. Oh.

1:04:50

Yes, I'm talking about. Absolutely

1:04:53

plants that are afraid of is

1:04:55

the people who generally have read

1:04:57

about have heard about it or

1:04:59

not necessarily experiences drop on their

1:05:01

the as he said licenses fear

1:05:04

that experience but the people asses

1:05:06

down as find out is the

1:05:08

most incredible and one's saying that

1:05:10

that ever happened. There was absolutely

1:05:12

nothing serious. Will About of the

1:05:14

Woods was. It was

1:05:16

so. Incredibly.

1:05:19

Shocking. To. Me not

1:05:21

in any that way but saucy in

1:05:23

a wonderful way. Like I say that

1:05:25

I snap myself out of it. I

1:05:27

guess the earth thousand and one thing

1:05:29

is that it was a psychiatric size

1:05:32

As a that's what everybody think about

1:05:34

it, the society and that brings back

1:05:36

though you have some is you expose

1:05:38

yourself too many many many times then

1:05:40

you become a little bit better at

1:05:42

handling say size and and that as

1:05:45

a sign but the process is it

1:05:47

once was. Find out a lot in

1:05:49

the people that. Applause when you

1:05:51

often don't want, usually it

1:05:53

stays open. Though. The fact

1:05:55

that you had one once means that you can

1:05:57

have many, many more. Would

1:06:04

I need to produce

1:06:06

circumstances similar to Paris

1:06:09

to have another one, I wonder? In

1:06:12

some cases, it depends on

1:06:14

the individual. That may work for you

1:06:16

again, but in some

1:06:19

other cases, it could just happen

1:06:21

spontaneously when

1:06:23

you go to sleep at night. It just

1:06:25

depends. Sometimes I try to

1:06:27

do it and I achieve it, and then there

1:06:29

are some other times that it just happens.

1:06:32

I've known people who didn't prepare for it,

1:06:34

didn't have any idea, and all of a

1:06:36

sudden they had a spontaneous and they hadn't

1:06:38

done anything to change their sleeping job. I

1:06:41

don't think that Paris had a damn thing to do with it.

1:06:45

What it was was that even

1:06:47

though I'm in love with

1:06:50

my job, as you know,

1:06:52

but it requires my constant

1:06:54

attention in just about

1:06:57

every way you can imagine. Listen,

1:06:59

by the way, we are having lightning

1:07:01

storms right now and my lights just

1:07:03

went out. I

1:07:05

can see my computer is rebooting and everything is going

1:07:08

crazy around here. Somebody

1:07:10

up there may be listening to me. He

1:07:13

can't let you make information out. I

1:07:19

honestly believe that it has

1:07:21

to do with the fact that all

1:07:23

of my everyday concerns, worries,

1:07:25

work, and buzz of

1:07:28

the day was gone. I was in

1:07:30

an utterly relaxed mode and that's what

1:07:32

let it happen. I think he hit

1:07:34

the nail on the head. The thing

1:07:36

about it, Art, is if you really

1:07:38

realize and know that you are spirit,

1:07:40

you will start looking at the little

1:07:42

things that cause us stress as

1:07:44

being insignificant. When

1:07:48

we start letting go of those things, that's when

1:07:50

we get closer to this other part of us.

1:07:53

It's the stress and the emotion ourselves and

1:07:55

what the five senses are telling us about

1:07:57

the physical world, the job, The

1:07:59

Mortgage. In our that about says

1:08:01

he says as is heightened level essential

1:08:03

step presenter for my life and death

1:08:05

states or that sounds like what happened

1:08:07

to you and I think that's wonderful.

1:08:10

His use of this oh use as

1:08:12

dead as you will ever yes as

1:08:14

you will ever get out. Of

1:08:16

that this is. Nothing to fear. How

1:08:19

do we know? I

1:08:21

mean no would be wonderful if it were to

1:08:23

set of. We know that. That.

1:08:26

Is what happens to well. That's

1:08:28

the key word is no. No.

1:08:31

To me knowing his experience.

1:08:33

Not. Reading, not hearing about it matters and

1:08:35

believing nice because I don't want and

1:08:37

that's hard to convince anybody. The was

1:08:40

you would know would be to repeat

1:08:42

experience over and over again and you

1:08:44

will find out because first of all

1:08:46

like I say we just talked about

1:08:48

this is that the iceberg when you

1:08:51

have his experiences our sons businesses saying

1:08:53

relatives who passed away. Angel.

1:08:55

God's Eyes or whatever you want to

1:08:57

com nonsensical is awful lot of things

1:09:00

going on as and will you hobbies

1:09:02

such as hundred One thing that you

1:09:04

realize and you and you know beyond

1:09:06

a shadow of doubt that you're not

1:09:08

very different some them. The only difference

1:09:10

is that you have a physical. Body to

1:09:12

go back to. The fantasy of

1:09:14

that's the best way to say anything.

1:09:16

Really wants to Now please try these

1:09:19

experiences locked down the for the ones

1:09:21

I wrote five many as you stamps

1:09:23

because that is a two way of

1:09:25

finding out there actually knowing his to

1:09:27

experiences. And there's tons and

1:09:29

tons of people web. and you're one of. His

1:09:33

shoes and we're having know

1:09:35

we have a have a

1:09:37

severe Virginians understood directly overhead.

1:09:39

Ominous: there's a real bright

1:09:41

some wonderful scissors or we

1:09:43

keep everything together that we're

1:09:46

having. No lightning strikes have.

1:09:48

a sweet above a certain a weird stuff

1:09:50

going on here as moment so i'm going

1:09:53

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1:09:55

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stay on the air here. We have

1:11:23

a very, very, very severe lightning storm

1:11:25

directly above us. We're taking hits very

1:11:28

close to the house. Of course, as

1:11:30

you know, I'm in radio and I have

1:11:32

towers high in the air. It's

1:11:36

probably inviting the lightning down.

1:11:38

It's like saying, here you

1:11:40

go. Here's the place. Fire

1:11:43

away. It's been doing that and

1:11:45

we've been getting strikes extremely close. But

1:11:48

I guess we are still on

1:11:51

the air. I think we're still on the air. My

1:11:56

goodness, life is interesting. Albert,

1:11:58

are you there? Yes, I am. We've got a little

1:12:00

time before the top of the hour here. I

1:12:03

wonder if I could mention the new book coming

1:12:05

out in Dutton. You sure can. I

1:12:08

am. Because of the popularity of

1:12:10

the first book, and I have to say that

1:12:12

you have been a major element

1:12:15

in that, I have

1:12:17

recently re-written a book for Dutton,

1:12:19

Penguin Puttman, and the

1:12:21

new book, Soul Traveler, will be out

1:12:23

on August 25. What

1:12:26

I really like about this book is that it's up to

1:12:28

date in comparison to the other one. It

1:12:31

has my understanding of my experiences now. What

1:12:34

I did is I get so many letters asking me

1:12:36

questions. What I did is I

1:12:38

wrote in the book and I answered a lot of

1:12:41

those questions. In what way is it different? I

1:12:44

left a lot of those things in the beginning

1:12:46

that I didn't understand because the first time

1:12:49

I experienced it. You've got to think

1:12:51

about this. I wrote Soul Traveler almost

1:12:54

four years ago. I have

1:12:56

four years of experience since then

1:12:58

that have answered so

1:13:00

many questions that I posed in the first book

1:13:02

and I decided to write it into the book.

1:13:05

Plus, I've gotten so many questions from people

1:13:07

about experiences and I got a chance to

1:13:09

answer that. It's a

1:13:12

very good, well-rounded book and I think it's a

1:13:14

great read and I feel very, very confident about

1:13:16

it. I'm regarding you at this

1:13:18

point as more or less the world's

1:13:20

expert. I think Robert Munro might have been,

1:13:22

while he's here, the world's expert. Robert Munro

1:13:24

might have been, while he was alive. I

1:13:27

interviewed Robert Munro and his

1:13:29

work is similar to your work but

1:13:31

of course he has now passed on. I

1:13:34

don't know of anybody who

1:13:36

knows more about this than you do. Your

1:13:39

new book will be out again in August? August

1:13:41

25th. It will be in all

1:13:43

the major bookstores, Barnes and Noble Borders. The

1:13:47

parent company is Dutton but it will be

1:13:49

on the Penguin Putman label. It's

1:13:51

got a brand new cover which is wonderful and

1:13:54

I think it's packed full of wonderful

1:13:57

answers and information and

1:13:59

truly. and understanding of the experience far

1:14:01

more than what I wrote in the first

1:14:03

one. It's going to be

1:14:06

a very, very good... I'm really very

1:14:08

pleased with it. Do you still regard

1:14:10

your book as a virtual instruction manual

1:14:12

on how to do this? I

1:14:15

don't think it is that rigid.

1:14:18

I think of it as a guide. It's

1:14:21

a guideline because, like I said, I

1:14:23

don't want people to get stuck in

1:14:25

just what I wrote about and the

1:14:27

techniques that I wrote about because everybody's

1:14:29

different. These are just some techniques that

1:14:31

seem to work for a majority of

1:14:33

people. There are all kinds of other

1:14:35

ways. I would say it's a guide to help

1:14:38

you get to where you want to get. Once

1:14:40

you use some of the techniques and experiment with

1:14:42

them a little bit, you don't have to stick

1:14:45

with exactly how I wrote it. You can modify

1:14:47

them to fit your own needs. All right. Well,

1:14:49

the fact of the matter is they can't

1:14:51

get your book right now, right? Right. Yeah,

1:14:53

right. They can't get the new book

1:14:55

right now, but it will be in the stories in

1:14:57

about a month. In about a

1:14:59

month, we're going to have you back on the

1:15:01

air again. We can talk about the

1:15:04

movie and the part with the show.

1:15:06

Oh, yeah. Do a far more extensive

1:15:08

program. Right. Here you are. I

1:15:11

just really appreciate you coming on the air. I

1:15:14

would like, if you're willing, I would

1:15:16

like to take about an hour of calls,

1:15:18

assuming the thunderstorm, the lightning storm, will allow

1:15:21

us to stay on the air here. It's

1:15:23

really... That's what I'm looking for. Okay. All

1:15:26

right. So we will do exactly that. Stay

1:15:28

right there, Al. Albert Taylor

1:15:30

is my guest, and we're going to do

1:15:33

about another hour. In this next hour, I

1:15:35

am going to devote to any of you

1:15:37

who have questions about this most remarkable, astounding...

1:15:43

It's just... You

1:15:45

know, I couldn't talk about it this way previously,

1:15:47

but now it has

1:15:49

happened to me. And I've

1:15:52

got to tell you, I've got

1:15:54

to tell you, it's as real

1:15:57

as anything I experienced in my

1:15:59

life. take my word for it when I

1:16:01

tell you I've had flying dreams. I

1:16:04

wake up, I know that I have had a

1:16:06

flying dream. I know it was a dream. What

1:16:08

occurred to me in Paris was

1:16:10

no dream. It was absolutely

1:16:13

real. And so

1:16:15

soul travel, for

1:16:18

whatever it is, is absolutely real. And I'm

1:16:20

sure there are many of you who know

1:16:22

it as well. An hour of calls coming

1:16:24

up next. If

1:16:47

you love her then you must

1:16:51

send her somewhere where

1:16:54

she's never been before.

1:16:59

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1:17:02

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1:17:04

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1:17:07

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1:17:09

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1:17:22

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1:17:24

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1:17:37

This is

1:17:40

Coast to Coast AM from the

1:17:42

Kingdom of Nine. Well,

1:17:44

good morning everybody. What a morning it

1:17:46

is in more ways than one. My

1:17:49

guest is Al Taylor, Dr.

1:17:51

Al Taylor. He has a

1:17:53

book called Soul Traveler. Rest

1:17:56

yourself. You can't get it right now. You'll

1:17:58

be able to get it in August as

1:18:00

well. he begins a, I

1:18:02

don't know, about a 15 city

1:18:04

tour or so. And

1:18:07

the reason I have Al on tonight is

1:18:09

because it finally happened to me. I

1:18:11

had a definite out

1:18:14

of body experience. There

1:18:16

was no warning. There was no

1:18:18

humming. There was no paralyzation.

1:18:20

Is that a word? I wasn't

1:18:22

paralyzed. None of that. Just howl

1:18:26

and I went. Very short,

1:18:29

very ecstatic, hard to

1:18:31

describe, but the

1:18:34

most joyful feeling I've ever felt in

1:18:36

my whole life had occurred in Paris.

1:18:39

And I got a hold of Al as soon as I could. So

1:18:42

I'm going to take this next hour

1:18:44

and we're going to take calls for Al and

1:18:48

any of you who have any

1:18:50

questions about this, I assure you

1:18:52

very real, probably

1:18:55

phenomenon is not the right word.

1:18:58

It's probably a very natural

1:19:00

thing. How could it not be?

1:19:03

But it seems like a phenomenon, certainly

1:19:05

if you never had it. Now I

1:19:07

in Washington state writes the following dear

1:19:10

art. Now you know why people cultivate

1:19:12

the OBE or out of body experience.

1:19:15

That feeling accompanies each and

1:19:17

every experience. Yes, the

1:19:20

opportunity for exploration and growth is

1:19:22

unlimited, but the feeling, that's

1:19:25

worth pursuing in and

1:19:28

of itself. Albert, welcome back. Thank

1:19:30

you Art. And Sally

1:19:32

is exactly right. I

1:19:36

know it sounds like I just go on and

1:19:38

on and on about it, but it was so astounding,

1:19:41

so astounding Al. Well Art, it's

1:19:43

a big deal. It's a life changing

1:19:45

experience. Yes. You will never ever look

1:19:47

at your life or anybody else's life

1:19:50

ever again the same. So it

1:19:52

is a big deal and your enthusiasm is the

1:19:54

same enthusiasm that I have for it and I've

1:19:56

been doing it for a long time. understand

1:20:00

and that's what's so positive about

1:20:02

it is it's a wonderful thing

1:20:04

to really find

1:20:06

out that you are more than just the

1:20:08

physical body and that you can do these

1:20:11

incredible things. So your enthusiasm

1:20:13

is justified 110%. You're

1:20:17

absolutely correct. All right. Here

1:20:19

we go. Let's see what's out in the audience. And by

1:20:21

the way, again, for my audience, we're going to do an

1:20:23

hour of calls and we're going to have Al back when

1:20:26

his book is close to coming out August

1:20:28

25. So on

1:20:31

the first time caller line, you're on the

1:20:33

air with Albert Taylor. Hi. Hi,

1:20:35

Art. You know, I didn't mean to call on

1:20:38

the first time caller line, but anyhow, this is

1:20:40

your old friend, Randy. I talked to him. Randy,

1:20:42

Randy, if you're not a first time caller, I

1:20:44

can't take your call on his line. Well, in

1:20:46

a sense, I am because the OBE,

1:20:49

I faxed you and I was asking you about

1:20:51

it and you couldn't answer, I guess. But what

1:20:53

I'm asking is I've done those. It took me

1:20:55

17 years to do it. I read about it

1:20:57

like 17 years ago. I'm 34 years old now.

1:21:00

And I finally started doing them within the last

1:21:02

year or so. And I've always

1:21:04

had these questions and I knew one night we get

1:21:06

the answer. So here's the question for Dr. Taylor. And

1:21:10

that is, while the soul is

1:21:12

out of the body, two questions. In

1:21:14

fact, one, can another soul that's traveling

1:21:16

take over the body? And

1:21:19

secondly, some of the

1:21:21

people that you see, some of the other souls

1:21:23

that are around you are those people who are

1:21:25

astrally traveling and don't know that they're doing it

1:21:27

or people who may not be aware of it,

1:21:29

but they're just doing it because I've

1:21:32

met like a couple of people that I know. And

1:21:34

one of them told me that she's dead. And I don't

1:21:36

know how to get in touch with her in the living

1:21:38

world. So I was wondering, is that a

1:21:41

way of contact with the... That's very interesting.

1:21:43

None of that happened to me. Al?

1:21:45

Well, I hear that. And I think that's the biggest

1:21:48

fear is can someone take over your

1:21:50

body? And the thing is that

1:21:53

I would say, first of all, no. There's

1:21:55

nothing to worry about that because there's

1:21:57

a lot of organization going on. organization

1:22:01

and you have been given your body for

1:22:03

a particular reason and that's to

1:22:05

learn here on earth. That's

1:22:08

not going to be interrupted just because

1:22:10

you occasionally leave the body. That has

1:22:12

nothing to do with it. There is

1:22:14

a major plan and every one of

1:22:16

us is a valued member of that

1:22:18

plan. The plan

1:22:20

is more important than worrying

1:22:22

about someone taking over your

1:22:24

body. I

1:22:27

get that all the time. A lot of people ask me that. What

1:22:29

was his second question, Art? Do you

1:22:31

remember? Well, he said

1:22:33

that he met some people

1:22:35

that were dead. It

1:22:38

could be a multitude of non-physicals

1:22:41

that you could meet. You

1:22:43

could meet someone who is an astral traveler

1:22:45

like yourself. You can meet someone who is

1:22:47

astral traveling and not know it because not

1:22:50

everybody remembers. I like to say that

1:22:52

99% of us travel out of body

1:22:54

every night but only about 20% to 25% of

1:22:56

us remember. You could meet

1:22:59

deceased relatives. You could

1:23:01

meet non-physicals who have never incarnated

1:23:03

on earth. You can meet angelic-like creatures

1:23:05

if you want to call them that,

1:23:07

angels, guides. So there

1:23:09

is a multitude of life

1:23:12

if you want to call it non-physical

1:23:14

life to meet beyond the body and

1:23:16

higher than the astral plane. Alright. Wildcard

1:23:19

line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.

1:23:21

Hi. Hi, Art. This is

1:23:23

Dan in Virginia. Yes, sir. I

1:23:25

think you're getting ready to have another out

1:23:27

of body experience soon as any thanks for

1:23:29

that weather out there. You got near death

1:23:31

experience. As a

1:23:34

matter of fact, I would warn people in the

1:23:36

Prom Valley and maybe Las Vegas, I don't know,

1:23:38

to be wary of flash flooding. We're

1:23:40

getting that kind of rain. Anyway, Dan,

1:23:43

go ahead. I got a couple of questions. Dr.

1:23:46

Taylor, ever since I was young, I

1:23:49

had these sensations like when you're

1:23:51

in an elevator, you get that

1:23:53

dropping feeling and you know,

1:23:55

doing sleep. just

1:24:00

sort of jerked. Right, right when you're dropping

1:24:02

off the sleep or just waking up? Well,

1:24:05

I get the sensation of dropping.

1:24:07

Oh yeah, I've had that. Right, that's

1:24:09

related to it. Oh yeah, that's

1:24:11

what I thought. Definitely. I kind of

1:24:14

got the sensation of coming back into my

1:24:16

body and just kind of jerks. Then that

1:24:18

may very well have been that. And it

1:24:20

wakes me up. Yeah,

1:24:22

I've had that too. I've

1:24:24

got to explain everybody. Whatever

1:24:27

that is, it was nothing like what

1:24:29

I had. I mean, not even close. Not even

1:24:32

in the same universe. Yeah, you

1:24:34

detached completely. Yeah, I really did.

1:24:37

I absolutely did. And this

1:24:39

acceleration that I felt, more

1:24:43

actually, I didn't feel it. Like I wrote

1:24:46

in my book, no train, plane, or

1:24:48

vehicle that we've made to travel as

1:24:50

fast as I was traveling. That's it.

1:24:53

And that's about it in a nutshell.

1:24:55

But it was without the physical

1:24:58

feeling of acceleration. Right, right.

1:25:01

And so that's impossible

1:25:03

to describe. Acceleration without the

1:25:07

physical. Without feeling the wind and the air

1:25:09

and all that. That's exactly

1:25:11

right. Right. So the thing is, when I

1:25:13

started writing this

1:25:15

book, the toughest thing I had

1:25:17

to do was transfer or transfer

1:25:20

that type of experience into an English

1:25:23

language that can really justify it.

1:25:25

Because it really goes beyond anything

1:25:27

I can put into words. So

1:25:30

that was very, very tough for me also. Well,

1:25:32

I'm glad to hear that somebody else had trouble

1:25:34

with it. Oh, and still is. All right. East

1:25:36

of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al

1:25:38

Taylor. Hi. Yes, good morning, Art.

1:25:40

This is Chad in Kill

1:25:42

Country, Louisiana. Yes, sir. I'd

1:25:44

like to relate an experience to Mr. Taylor that happened

1:25:47

to me about a month ago. This was

1:25:49

before I started listening to your show.

1:25:52

And it was an out of

1:25:54

body experience. And I think it

1:25:57

was called, I had stayed up the night before. on

1:26:00

the computer on the internet. So I

1:26:02

ended up going to bed around 4 am

1:26:04

kind of late. My dad

1:26:06

came upstairs and was working on the computer and

1:26:09

I think that you mentioned something about

1:26:11

needing something to wake you up like an alarm setting an

1:26:14

alarm clock to wake you up. I

1:26:16

think this is what sparked this. So

1:26:20

I remember coming to in

1:26:22

sort of a dreamlike state and I wasn't in,

1:26:24

it was like my bed was made but I

1:26:26

wasn't in my physical body. I couldn't feel the

1:26:28

sheets around me or anything.

1:26:30

And I heard you mention other people could

1:26:32

sense other entities around them. Well,

1:26:36

the way my bed is configured I'm facing the door and

1:26:38

so over my bed, hovering about 3

1:26:41

feet over my bed was something,

1:26:44

it was a non-physical but I could

1:26:46

sense that it was evil and it was

1:26:49

almost so powerful. At first I was

1:26:51

convinced that this was Satan himself. It

1:26:54

was very, very odd, very disturbing. So immediately

1:26:57

I was like I defy you, get out

1:26:59

and then there was like an explosion and

1:27:01

this black entity just exploded

1:27:03

and disappeared. And I woke up and then I

1:27:05

could feel others around me and I said we

1:27:07

beat it. I was trying to say we beat

1:27:10

it, we beat it but it

1:27:12

was like I was paralyzed. My tongue was tied.

1:27:14

I couldn't talk and that's when I woke up

1:27:16

and this was about 6 am. Well that's nothing

1:27:18

like what I had. Well right. So

1:27:21

what we're talking about here is perception

1:27:23

and you perceived it to be evil

1:27:25

and if you think in that

1:27:27

direction everything else will

1:27:29

quickly follow. You will perceive and

1:27:31

matter of fact the fear that you would

1:27:33

feel in that state will be 10 times

1:27:36

as much as the fear that you feel

1:27:38

in the normal state. But what we're really

1:27:40

talking about here is a perception because what

1:27:42

happened, it didn't do anything to indicate any

1:27:44

type of evil. You just perceived it that

1:27:47

way. Now the next time you

1:27:49

have that type of experience try to

1:27:51

just be neutral. Try not to judge

1:27:53

what it is. Try not to guess because what

1:27:55

you're drawing on is your life here on earth.

1:27:57

I don't know how many horror movies you have.

1:28:00

I've seen tons of them and I don't

1:28:02

want to draw on any of them. That's

1:28:04

what I was finding out was contaminating my

1:28:06

out of body experiences and I was really

1:28:09

scaring myself. Next time try

1:28:11

to be neutral and then you

1:28:13

might see something a little different

1:28:15

unfold. Alright. Wes to the

1:28:17

Rockies you're on the air with Al Taylor and Art Bell.

1:28:20

Hi. Hello Dr. Taylor and Mr. Bell.

1:28:22

I have several questions. One is can

1:28:25

you in your out of body experience can

1:28:27

you go and see somebody that you know?

1:28:30

Oh yeah. Oh yeah I did that a lot in the

1:28:32

beginning. And

1:28:35

can you hear what's happening around you? I

1:28:37

mean can you hear? And

1:28:42

can you like could you

1:28:44

go into the ocean and see what's down

1:28:46

in the ocean? I mean could you have a spotlight

1:28:48

on? Could you see? Well

1:28:51

okay now we're not talking about an optic

1:28:53

nerve here. We're talking about sensory

1:28:56

or let's say senses that we

1:28:58

don't have available to it from

1:29:00

the physical body. That's right. Anywhere

1:29:02

you can focus your thoughts on you

1:29:04

can go. Anywhere. Underwater,

1:29:06

outer space, the moon, anywhere you can

1:29:09

focus your thoughts on you can

1:29:11

go. And there's one

1:29:13

more. Can I go to places? Can I go to people

1:29:15

that I don't know? That's

1:29:17

difficult because you have to care about them

1:29:19

in some kind of way. If

1:29:22

you're when you're out of body if you don't think about them

1:29:24

generally you're not going to go there. You're

1:29:26

only going to go on what really has an

1:29:29

emotional impact on you because that seems to be

1:29:31

the only thing that you can remember when you're

1:29:33

out of body anyway. Or

1:29:35

that you even care about. Okay.

1:29:38

All right thank you. What happened to

1:29:40

me was totally out

1:29:42

of my control and so an obvious

1:29:44

question is. You

1:29:46

went ballistic. Yeah you went ballistic right? How

1:29:50

do you begin to learn to control it

1:29:52

either in terms of bringing

1:29:55

it on or what occurs

1:30:00

Once it has begun. Okay, the first thing I

1:30:02

tell people, if you do have one, I say

1:30:05

document everything you did that

1:30:07

day. Time you ate, the

1:30:09

time you went to sleep, how you felt, everything.

1:30:11

And then try to duplicate that the

1:30:13

best you can. That's why I stumbled upon

1:30:16

the interruptive sleep technique, the technique is because

1:30:18

I duplicated and oh my God, it was

1:30:20

working. It worked like eight out of ten

1:30:22

times. Now the only way to become proficient

1:30:25

in it is like riding a bike. You

1:30:27

gotta get on the bike and pedal. The

1:30:30

better and more and more you spin on the seat or

1:30:32

flying or out of the seats, I

1:30:34

should say, the more and more you do that,

1:30:37

the better and better you get. Okay, well here's

1:30:39

the thing Al. I have, as

1:30:41

you know, an interrupted sleep pattern all the

1:30:43

time, every day. I sleep in the morning,

1:30:45

I sleep then again in the afternoon. In

1:30:48

Paris, I continued to

1:30:50

have that same sleep pattern. The

1:30:53

only difference was that I didn't have

1:30:56

the radio show, I didn't have the

1:30:58

pressure every day. All

1:31:00

of that was gone. I was reading books, I

1:31:02

was lazing around, I was going over to the

1:31:04

Eiffel Tower, we were visiting different

1:31:07

places when we felt like it in Paris and

1:31:09

lazing around the rest of the day. So

1:31:12

that's the difference. Your attention level

1:31:15

was reduced dramatically. Yeah, the sleep

1:31:17

pattern though remained the same, interrupted.

1:31:20

Yeah, but the thing here we're talking

1:31:22

about is to achieve an altered state

1:31:24

of consciousness. Many

1:31:27

people have used meditation. During

1:31:30

meditation, you actually relax the

1:31:32

body, you do deep breathing or whatever.

1:31:34

Now if you are living in a stressful

1:31:36

life, and what many of us do here

1:31:38

in the States, of course that's going to

1:31:41

keep you further and further away from actually

1:31:43

achieving this altered state. But you took like

1:31:45

a vacation from your stressful life, and

1:31:48

all of a sudden you popped out. Yes sir.

1:31:51

So I would say that in this, even

1:31:53

being back here, maybe you want to re-examine

1:31:55

some of the things that cause you stress

1:31:57

and reduce them because they're really not as

1:31:59

important and sometimes we make them out to be. Because

1:32:02

I know that you, because

1:32:04

you had this experience and it was

1:32:06

wonderful, I really feel that you would

1:32:08

want to do it as many times as possible. So

1:32:11

that's the trade-off. What is more

1:32:13

important than this experience in

1:32:15

my life? And I'll tell you, a lot of

1:32:17

things in my life I have just totally shrugged

1:32:20

off because they really aren't as important as I

1:32:22

thought they were. Okay,

1:32:24

here's the only part that I'm not sure

1:32:26

about. I'm sure about what happened

1:32:29

to me now, but

1:32:31

I'm not sure that that's what happens

1:32:34

when you die. How

1:32:36

are you sure of that? Well,

1:32:39

I wouldn't say that unless I

1:32:41

had through many, many

1:32:43

experiences encountered my dead aunt,

1:32:46

many times, dead

1:32:48

friend, and conversed

1:32:50

with them. Not just, oh,

1:32:52

there they are, but actually share thought

1:32:54

forms. Robert Monroe talked about

1:32:57

it. It's not like speaking even though

1:32:59

it's speaking and more. And

1:33:01

through these thought forms, like you

1:33:03

know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you left

1:33:05

the body, and you know beyond a shadow of a

1:33:08

doubt that you had this experience, that's

1:33:10

the same kind of knowing you get with

1:33:12

these thought forms. And you start identifying

1:33:14

what the beings that you have encounters

1:33:16

with. And you get

1:33:18

to the point where you know beyond a

1:33:20

shadow of a doubt that there's very little

1:33:23

difference between you and them. And

1:33:25

the only difference is that you have a

1:33:27

physical body to come back to. So

1:33:29

that's what I'm sharing is because of

1:33:31

these numerous encounters and identifying and relating

1:33:34

to these things and a

1:33:36

host of other things that I've really

1:33:38

come to the understanding that that is

1:33:40

as dead as you get. Plus, I

1:33:42

talked to Daniel about it, and

1:33:44

he totally identified with what I

1:33:46

was saying, and he had a near death experience.

1:33:49

Now I've talked to, I'm a member

1:33:51

of the International Association of Near Death

1:33:53

Studies. I've literally talked to the largest

1:33:55

group in the U.S. ions group which

1:33:57

is in Seattle. of

1:34:00

those people are validation to me. So

1:34:03

it's not just my experiences but it's other

1:34:05

experiences, people who have had them and it's

1:34:07

kind of how I put this puzzle

1:34:10

together to help me understand it.

1:34:12

I'm such a stubborn sucker. I

1:34:14

can believe in and understand and

1:34:16

relate to anything that I have experienced

1:34:18

but then as I

1:34:21

just said to you a moment ago, I can't be sure I have

1:34:23

no way of knowing this boy

1:34:27

or we get lightning. Maybe somebody is

1:34:29

trying to warn me that I shouldn't

1:34:31

be talking about this. I

1:34:33

have no way of knowing that this is what occurs when

1:34:36

you die. I understand. Maybe

1:34:38

a giant bolt of lightning is about to convince me

1:34:41

otherwise here. I don't know. Well, this

1:34:43

is how I see it. Two

1:34:46

years ago before you and I spoke,

1:34:48

you didn't know what you know now.

1:34:50

That's for sure. You know now has

1:34:52

totally blown away everything that you thought

1:34:54

about and now I'm sharing with you

1:34:56

the next step of understanding and

1:34:58

it's okay if you don't know it now because if

1:35:01

you do this a few more times, you're going to

1:35:03

come back and tell me the same thing. Oh my

1:35:05

God, Al. I understand what you're talking about. All right.

1:35:07

First arm collar line, you're on the air with Albert

1:35:09

Taylor and Art Bell. Hi. Is

1:35:12

that me? That's you. Oh, good morning

1:35:14

Art. Good morning Dr. Taylor. Where are

1:35:17

you? I'm in San Antonio. I'm listening

1:35:19

to WOI. Of

1:35:21

course. Okay. I

1:35:24

started having these experiences when I

1:35:26

was like 10 years old. I

1:35:29

remember I'm 25 years old

1:35:31

now. I used

1:35:33

to lay next to my parents and

1:35:36

start having these

1:35:38

experiences which I didn't

1:35:41

know what was happening and I

1:35:43

really couldn't tell anyone about it but

1:35:46

the first time I listened to Dr.

1:35:49

Taylor on your program, I

1:35:52

realized what was it about and

1:35:54

I went out and bought his book the next

1:35:56

day and read it all.

1:36:00

After that, I mean ever

1:36:02

since I read the book, I started I

1:36:05

stopped having the you know,

1:36:07

out-of-body experiences I mean started

1:36:09

having them No, I stopped

1:36:11

because I mean before that I used to have

1:36:13

them like every you know, once

1:36:15

every two months. Uh-huh and After

1:36:19

I read your book, I even

1:36:21

like tried doing the exercises that

1:36:23

you the IFT yeah,

1:36:25

you know like meditation and you know

1:36:27

like You

1:36:30

know you so you're saying they actually stopped

1:36:32

then. Yeah, you stopped that well, maybe I

1:36:34

wasn't the divine plan Yeah, that's right. Maybe

1:36:36

you were trying too hard that may very

1:36:38

well be too because when I had mine

1:36:40

I wasn't even oh my god. We're having

1:36:43

lightning Albert. Hold on. We're at the bottom

1:36:45

of the hour Wild

1:36:47

times tonight. I'm telling you it's quite a

1:36:49

show going on here in Nevada. So in

1:36:52

Nevada. I'm Mark Bell and this is close

1:36:54

to coast I

1:37:28

I On

1:37:35

the kingdom of nigh this is push to post

1:37:37

a and we are now Whose

1:37:39

time follows may be charted area code 702 727

1:37:43

1 2 2 2 727

1:37:46

12 22 now here again the is arts you

1:38:04

Good morning everybody from the high desert

1:38:07

where we've collected over a half inch of rain

1:38:09

in the last 30 minutes.

1:38:12

It's pretty wild out there. All

1:38:16

right, back now to Albert Taylor. Albert, there

1:38:18

are going to be a gazillion people out

1:38:20

there who are going to want to

1:38:22

talk to you or ask you a question who cannot

1:38:24

communicate with you because they can't get through the phone.

1:38:26

Right. Is there an

1:38:29

email address? Yes, they

1:38:31

go to my website. They can email

1:38:33

me at solpravl.com. That's

1:38:44

SOL, sole traveler, at aol.com.

1:38:48

Correct. No, I'm not, they're

1:38:50

listening to your commercials. I'm not sure

1:38:52

which one I'm more interested in. The

1:38:55

computer chips that modify themselves, the

1:38:57

prostate problem or the impetus problem.

1:39:00

A host of things to choose from. Indeed

1:39:05

so. Soletraveler,

1:39:07

at aol.com. I

1:39:10

suspect you'll get a lot of mail. I look forward to

1:39:12

it. I love it and I answer all my mail too.

1:39:15

Do you? Yes, I do. It takes

1:39:17

me a while but I do. After

1:39:19

putting out your email address after tonight's

1:39:21

program, I

1:39:24

will be more than interested to

1:39:26

see if you're able to make

1:39:28

that same statement happen. It's getting

1:39:30

harder. All right. Soletraveler, at aol.com.

1:39:34

Wildcard line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.

1:39:36

Hi. Hi, this is

1:39:38

Jeff from Northern California, listening on KOH.

1:39:41

Hi, Jeff. Great

1:39:43

to talk to you. Al, my question

1:39:45

for you is, in regards to

1:39:47

your, I'm going to ask you a question. I

1:39:50

have a conversation with your, I guess I wouldn't call her a

1:39:52

dead ant, but an ant that's passed from the

1:39:54

physical plane. Does

1:39:56

she have any perception of time or does

1:39:58

she have any perception of time? perception

1:40:00

of your life? Is she living in a physical plane

1:40:03

or did you only contact when you were in

1:40:05

the astral plane? Well, time is an element of

1:40:07

the physical. There is no time on the other

1:40:09

side. Now, whether she

1:40:13

has a knowledge of my life

1:40:15

or not, that wasn't shared. What

1:40:17

she did share was an incredible

1:40:21

feeling of love, understanding,

1:40:23

support, compassion, all kinds of

1:40:25

things that just really

1:40:28

was overwhelming. I didn't

1:40:30

sit there and ask her about what she

1:40:32

thinks I should do or anything like that.

1:40:34

First of all, I have to tell you,

1:40:36

it didn't happen where I just said,

1:40:38

oh, this is my heart, no big deal. I was

1:40:40

totally shocked because no one ever

1:40:42

told me about this. This was something and

1:40:45

I'm a recovering Catholic, I like to say.

1:40:47

No one ever explained to me that this

1:40:49

was even possible. So the experience, I don't

1:40:51

think I could have handled more than what

1:40:54

she shared with me at that time. All

1:40:58

right, thank you, caller.

1:41:00

Take care. It's very

1:41:03

interesting. I had a perception or

1:41:06

I perceived that what happened to

1:41:08

me was really quick,

1:41:10

Albert, in Paris. It was very

1:41:12

fast, boom, it just happened. Then I shocked

1:41:15

myself back, almost

1:41:17

sorrowfully back, but I had the perception

1:41:22

that it was short. Now, could

1:41:25

that be inaccurate? In other

1:41:27

words, could it just have been

1:41:29

my... It could have very

1:41:31

well been, yes. What we experienced, what

1:41:33

we conceived to be short or long

1:41:36

on the other side is totally, totally

1:41:38

irrelevant when it comes to measuring time

1:41:40

on our clocks in the physical world.

1:41:42

Totally irrelevant. All right, east of the

1:41:44

Rockies, you're on here with Albert Taylor.

1:41:47

Yes, this is Amy from Ohio. Amy from Ohio

1:41:49

is going to have to yell at us because

1:41:51

she's not too loud. She's barely here. Yeah, I

1:41:53

know. KRC? Yeah, just yell at

1:41:56

us. Okay, I have a

1:41:58

question for you, regard... They.

1:42:01

Well. As.

1:42:03

Never myself experienced what are he

1:42:05

has experience nor have I serious

1:42:07

is indeed ie. myself. But.

1:42:10

All of us. And. Away since

1:42:12

arms on are so I

1:42:14

believe in on T V,

1:42:16

I've heard that some people

1:42:18

have experienced negative energy use

1:42:20

arrows Just wondering if. What?

1:42:24

Are the series. Is. Similar.

1:42:26

Is whether seek series three. What?

1:42:29

Cities Nader, the disease possibly

1:42:31

be. One

1:42:33

thing I you know I haven't had a

1:42:35

near death experience on that the name for

1:42:38

tend to be an expert. I can just

1:42:40

say that I've heard hundreds of accounts of

1:42:42

years of experiences Now what am I Have

1:42:44

my own ideas on it and what I've

1:42:46

I've found out and I'm already had to.

1:42:48

My experiences is in the beginning when I

1:42:50

did travel a lot of bodies because I

1:42:52

brought a lot of fear of me. A

1:42:55

lot of things manifest in that

1:42:57

swarm because your thoughts or states

1:42:59

so I would experience these magical

1:43:01

situations this a person is going

1:43:03

on the other side are leaving

1:43:06

the body for the first time

1:43:08

as usually and a near death

1:43:10

experience. They are sinister bringing some

1:43:12

of these fearful symbolism the most

1:43:14

of the is a good chance

1:43:16

that they're gonna have a negative

1:43:18

encounter. but most people most people

1:43:20

had a wonderful experience said his

1:43:22

life changing and they come back

1:43:24

and. There is that pops into

1:43:26

do archives as incredible work for other

1:43:29

people. Is

1:43:31

a major positive. Or

1:43:33

he'd be a list of

1:43:35

the Rockies you're all near

1:43:37

with al two hundred. So

1:43:39

good morning, good morning. My

1:43:42

name is Gerry I'm listening

1:43:44

to your cancer cells Gilfoyle

1:43:46

or years on such Sailor

1:43:48

Moon Ice or ever read

1:43:50

your book. Was I

1:43:52

was just wondering? Is. The.

1:43:57

Surfaces. Process This years.

1:44:00

discussing here could be precipitated by

1:44:03

a chemical. So like some

1:44:05

of the Native Americans using their rituals like

1:44:08

mescaline or something along that line. I would

1:44:10

say yes, there are some chemicals that will

1:44:12

probably induce an auto body experience. I don't

1:44:14

know what they are and I don't try

1:44:16

them myself, but I would say it is

1:44:19

possible because I

1:44:22

think the Native Americans have

1:44:24

done a lot of experiments

1:44:26

with peyote, things like that. What

1:44:28

I find is that a lot of indigenous

1:44:31

people have experimented with different natural substances

1:44:33

which have caused them or helped them

1:44:35

to achieve the state. But

1:44:38

I always say you don't need any

1:44:40

of that stuff. The true key is

1:44:42

relaxation. Can

1:44:46

you make a distinction between OBE

1:44:48

and astral projection or is there any?

1:44:50

Yes, definitely a major difference. Alright, what

1:44:52

is that difference? Astral projection

1:44:55

is just that, projection to the

1:44:57

astral plane and that is

1:44:59

one level above the physical plane

1:45:01

that vibrates at a higher level. But

1:45:05

there are multiple levels beyond that. So

1:45:07

in order to achieve that, what I found

1:45:09

in my case is I had to leave

1:45:11

the astral body behind on

1:45:14

the astral plane or close to the physical

1:45:16

body to achieve these higher areas of

1:45:19

consciousness or vibrational areas like the aetheric

1:45:21

plane which is one of the highest

1:45:23

states you can get to. Astral

1:45:27

projection is very limited. What

1:45:30

do you think, based on as limited

1:45:32

a description as I was able to give you, what do

1:45:35

you think I had? Well,

1:45:37

because you said that you looked down

1:45:39

and you didn't see a physical, the

1:45:41

first thing you would have noticed is

1:45:43

your astral body, your hands would have

1:45:45

been transparent and glowing and little lights

1:45:47

going through them. There would have been

1:45:49

something that you definitely would have remembered.

1:45:51

The fact that you didn't remember that

1:45:54

and the fact that you had this

1:45:56

euphoric kind of experience showed me that

1:45:58

you may have had something. You

1:46:00

may have had an experience in

1:46:03

the aetheric body, but not necessarily

1:46:05

on the aetheric plane. Okay.

1:46:07

First time caller line, you're on the

1:46:09

air with Albert Taylor. Hi. Hello.

1:46:13

Hello. Yes, this is Sam from

1:46:15

Atlanta, Georgia, WGST. Hi, Sam.

1:46:18

Hello, Sam. How are you doing? Art, I love your

1:46:20

show. This is only the second night I've ever listened

1:46:22

to it. Oh, my. And

1:46:24

I'm just hooked on it. Well, thanks. Great.

1:46:27

This is a great show. Dr. Taylor.

1:46:29

Yes. I'm

1:46:31

a person that I never dream,

1:46:33

or at least I don't remember. And

1:46:38

I'm 32 years old, and I had a

1:46:40

really bad, I guess you'd call it nightmare,

1:46:42

when I was about, oh, I'd say 10

1:46:44

or 12 years old. And

1:46:47

that's, I guess, the closest I've ever come to

1:46:50

out of body. It seemed so real. I

1:46:52

don't know what it was, but I

1:46:55

would call it a nightmare. But

1:46:57

how do you go about,

1:47:00

I guess this is in your book, how do

1:47:02

you condition yourself, or

1:47:04

is it meditation to go about having

1:47:07

these experiences? Well, for me, I'm not

1:47:09

a good meditator. I try that. This

1:47:11

doesn't work for me, but a lot

1:47:13

of people have done. The thing that I

1:47:15

can say is the easiest way that I've found,

1:47:17

and most people have experiences like

1:47:19

this, is through the sleep process.

1:47:23

The best thing that I, and the number one thing that

1:47:25

I recommend, I looked at about five different techniques in my

1:47:27

book. But like sleep patterns. Pardon

1:47:30

me? Like sleep patterns. Yeah, to interrupt

1:47:32

it, right, to break it up into two parts,

1:47:35

so that you sleep four hours, wake up and then,

1:47:37

still up for maybe two hours,

1:47:39

then sleep an additional four. What

1:47:41

that does is that brings you back to

1:47:43

consciousness so that when you go back to

1:47:45

sleep, the body will quickly fall asleep generally

1:47:47

if you do a relaxation or something like

1:47:49

that. And the

1:47:51

consciousness has a better chance of sticking around

1:47:53

and being conscious instead of drifting off into

1:47:55

a rim state. So that's the

1:47:57

one I recommend most often is the interaction.

1:48:01

because I get a lot of feedback where people

1:48:03

are able to achieve an out of buy experience

1:48:05

from because of it. I see. I'm

1:48:08

just totally fascinated by this. I

1:48:12

was wondering, have you ever experienced the,

1:48:14

as you hear, you've probably heard so

1:48:16

many times, the light at the end of

1:48:18

the tunnel type? Oh, yeah. Oh,

1:48:21

you have? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. And

1:48:23

that's something that really goes, you know, and

1:48:25

people ask, how

1:48:28

do you know the difference between this and the dream

1:48:30

and things like that? Right. Right. And how do you

1:48:32

know that that's as dead as you get and things

1:48:35

like that as well? Oh. The

1:48:37

thing is, is that through the out of

1:48:39

body experience, you can have encounters with the

1:48:41

light that these people who

1:48:43

have near death experiences talk about.

1:48:46

You can, matter of fact, not just

1:48:48

an encounter, you can actually understand who

1:48:51

and what that light really is. Hey,

1:48:54

Al, you know what I'd say? I'd say,

1:48:56

if you have to ask, it was a

1:48:58

dream. That's true. Very true. Very good.

1:49:00

All right, because you know beyond the shadow

1:49:03

of doubt what you did was not a

1:49:05

dream. That's correct. So for everybody out there,

1:49:07

there's no question about it. Yeah. You

1:49:10

know, there was not even a moment when I

1:49:12

wondered whether I had a dream. No. I

1:49:15

knew that something really profound. Very true. Very true. All

1:49:17

right. It is not a dream. That's it. Wildcard line,

1:49:19

you're on the air with Albert Taylor. Hi. Where

1:49:23

are you? I'm listening on

1:49:25

KFRE in Fresno. All right. I'm

1:49:27

Mary Ann, and I've only

1:49:30

had one experience, and it

1:49:32

was... Wonderful, right?

1:49:35

Pardon? It was

1:49:37

wonderful, right? Yes, but

1:49:39

there was just one thing. Just saying.

1:49:43

I felt all of a sudden like

1:49:45

I was flying, and there