0:00

You don't go to an event like this for

0:02

a learning objective. You

0:04

go for an experience, you go

0:06

for connection, you go to rediscover

0:08

yourself again. ["Wedding March"]

0:13

Hello and welcome to a slightly

0:16

different episode of Art Juice. This

0:18

is honest, generous, and humorous conversations

0:20

that will feed your creative soul

0:23

and get you thinking with me, Alice

0:25

Sheridan. And today I

0:27

am joined by Kelly

0:29

Wynn Conrad. It's so

0:31

nice to have you here. We're gonna be

0:33

having a lovely conversation. Kelly

0:36

has just sprung on me that we

0:38

are recording for YouTube as well. Thanks

0:40

for that. On

0:42

a day at the end of a

0:44

lot of busy calls for me, but it is

0:46

what it is. So here we are. And we

0:49

want to talk to you about something really

0:52

exciting, which I'm gonna let Kelly

0:54

mention first off before we dive

0:56

right in. Hello. So

0:58

this is a dual podcast episode. You

1:01

can hear it also on Made Remarkable,

1:03

which is my podcast. And

1:06

it's really exciting to be

1:08

able to finally come together with this big

1:10

dream that Alice and I have had for a

1:12

very long time. And we are finally

1:14

making it happen. We are

1:16

creating an event together in person

1:19

in the UK, and

1:21

it's gonna be phenomenal and I cannot

1:24

even wait. So this is our big

1:26

announcement. This is our

1:28

big announcement. And it is a very, I

1:30

think it's a really nice example of where

1:32

you have an idea and

1:34

it ticks over and it ticks over and

1:36

it stays in the holding ground. And

1:39

then suddenly you start making decisions on

1:41

it. You start making it a little

1:43

bit more concrete. And then comes a

1:45

moment where you really have to literally

1:48

put your money where your mouth is because

1:51

we have the deposits. We've had

1:53

the conversations with the venue. It

1:55

is booked. It is happening. It's

1:59

happening. Wednesday

2:01

the 1st of May, Thursday the

2:03

2nd of May, two day event

2:05

and then on Friday the 3rd

2:07

we are running an optional additional

2:09

VIP mastermind for a very small

2:11

group of people for those of

2:13

you who kind of want to

2:15

stay on and join us for

2:17

a really small group in person

2:19

look at your business. So

2:22

yeah, we thought if we're doing it, you know, let's

2:24

just let's go for it. Let's pay

2:26

for it. So we did. We

2:28

even got the domain and we're

2:30

ready to go. And if you

2:33

are interested before we even dive

2:35

into this podcast episode, just

2:37

go to soulmateevents.com and

2:40

get on our waiting list because tickets are going to

2:42

go on sale early March. And

2:45

it's going to go to our waiting list first. And

2:47

we have very limited space. It's

2:50

for 60 people only. So if

2:53

you are even considering it, I

2:55

highly recommend just going to soulmateevents.com

2:57

and putting your name on the

2:59

list. Yep. And

3:01

that's going to be the way in.

3:04

I'm excited. We're

3:06

trying to make this as affordable as

3:08

possible while still being a very upscale

3:11

and intimate experience

3:14

for all

3:16

of our artists, creatives,

3:18

business owners, those who

3:20

are really ready to take the next step.

3:22

Yeah. And we've been

3:25

like diving deep into how we're going to make this

3:27

happen. And I love some of the

3:29

language Alice that you used around this. And

3:32

I have it written down and

3:34

it's like the kind of the

3:36

heart and the soul. It's a

3:39

kick ass, dirty, so unearthing, no

3:41

BS, real talk, honesty, ready to

3:43

make decisions event. How's

3:46

that for you? Yeah, that was me in

3:48

a kind of this is how I'm just

3:50

blurbing it out. You know, this is what

3:52

feels right. And I think

3:55

what we're going to talk about today

3:57

is like how we got to this

3:59

stage. both

4:01

in our businesses, what has changed

4:04

for us over that time and

4:06

perhaps maybe those moments where you

4:08

had to make decisions a

4:11

little bit differently and where

4:13

you realised that things were

4:16

changing. And it's not

4:18

just about decisions that you make, it's about changing

4:20

about how you operate differently as a person. And

4:24

that, it's a very interesting

4:26

thing because it doesn't come overnight

4:29

and yet sometimes I think you

4:31

have those sudden realisations and those

4:33

moments where you just think, okay,

4:35

this feels different or I need

4:38

something more. And

4:40

those moments, almost like where it

4:42

just reaches a tipping point where

4:45

you think I need to be doing

4:47

something differently or something that I'm doing

4:49

in my life is frustrating me, I

4:51

need to be making some changes. It's

4:54

often very easy to see those looking back

4:57

but I think sometimes when you're in the

4:59

muddle, the bit that comes before

5:01

you is the bit that's the muddle. And

5:04

that's the bit that's quite hard sometimes to

5:06

see a clear outcome. Have you felt that?

5:10

Absolutely, and that's where you

5:13

need someone else to like reflect

5:15

back how you're feeling so that

5:17

you can like wade, like you said, wade through

5:19

the muck and make clear

5:21

decisions. But I agree with you completely on

5:23

the fact that sometimes it's in

5:25

the looking back that we

5:27

can see those most pivotal points. And

5:31

I think that's one of the reasons why we wanted

5:33

to be able to do this now. You

5:35

and I have been on the journey for a long time.

5:37

We've known each other like since we've been on Instagram about

5:39

a decade. So that was kind

5:41

of like the pinpoint we wanted to like mark

5:45

and discuss today. And the

5:47

fact that we've had this idea for a while,

5:49

which I think is awesome when creatives

5:52

and entrepreneurs put that idea on a

5:54

shelf and say when it's ready, it'll

5:56

happen. But Something's

5:58

big shift. Please

6:01

go to the last year for both

6:03

you and I. Were we

6:05

still very passionate about our work? but we

6:07

want it to be. Deeper.

6:10

Beg her more. Connected something

6:12

has shifted right And so that's

6:14

why now the time where it'll

6:17

kind of like to finally bubbled

6:19

to the top and of course

6:21

you are discussing what you envision

6:24

this to be and at that

6:26

moment are like. Yes,

6:28

This is exactly it. Yeah, and

6:31

I'm glad you found those words.

6:33

You. Know but that's when we were

6:35

like okay, we're both on the same

6:38

page now. The and I think for

6:40

me it's a combination something that I

6:42

have been dipping my toe into for.

6:45

Probably. Going back to years now,

6:47

but I always do something a

6:49

bit big. I've had different elements

6:51

of this brought together. Yeah,

6:54

I'm really excited about it, but I

6:56

think it would be really helpful is

6:58

because On aren't just I might be

7:01

people listening who don't know you and

7:03

On made remarkable. They might be people

7:05

who don't know me at we should

7:07

introduce each other yet if a battler

7:09

slow okay I'm going to introduce you

7:11

first of all and they'll get it.

7:13

Could fill in all the gaps that

7:15

I've messed. Okay, so. As is

7:17

often the way, I can't. Remember. Where

7:20

I found you must have been

7:22

on Instagram I think and I

7:24

remember seeing you as somebody who

7:26

was very prolific. You huddled your

7:28

stuff together you are teaching other

7:30

office you had this a mate

7:33

your your so great that names

7:35

like you had this amazing color

7:37

crush creative and I remember just

7:39

thinking oh. oh damn

7:41

that's a good that's a good

7:43

name and you you seem to

7:45

kind of have it all together

7:48

and we first work together when

7:50

you asked me to create a

7:52

small video for your then membership

7:54

which was the first time i'd

7:56

have to do and record something

7:58

for somebody asked scared the pants

8:00

off me. And

8:03

yet it was our most watched

8:05

video in all of two colours. I

8:08

mean it's it yeah but again it's

8:10

also an interesting example of where maybe

8:12

sometimes you need other people to push

8:14

you a little bit into doing things

8:17

and since then I have

8:19

you've changed your focus

8:22

more towards really supporting

8:25

artists who really

8:27

don't like this phrase but there really isn't

8:29

another way of putting it really mean business

8:31

with their art business and supporting people at

8:33

a much higher level with

8:35

it called made remarkable right? Yeah

8:39

the overall platform is made remarkable and

8:41

then we get into the weeds with

8:43

some of my other offerings but yeah

8:46

marketing sales strategy

8:50

I love doing it myself and then helping others

8:52

that I've just really come to the point where

8:54

I'm like this is what I want to focus

8:56

on and kind of taking

8:58

my art back for myself so that I'm

9:01

making art for me now and not necessarily

9:03

just teaching. Yeah so I

9:05

don't I don't even share my art as much

9:07

now when I make it because

9:09

that's not my main focus. I

9:12

love seeing myself

9:15

through your lens that's kind of a fun

9:17

way to see it. I

9:19

did hit a wall with my membership

9:21

true colors and in 2020 shut it

9:23

down. Been in the process

9:25

of transitioning ever since then I think

9:28

it was about two years ago too that

9:31

a big shift started happening for me really

9:34

getting clarity about where I wanted to go and

9:36

then some of the tools I needed to

9:39

get there and a lot of those are

9:42

non-business tools which

9:44

I think is really what you and

9:46

I have both stumbled upon the

9:49

importance of all the other elements

9:51

of our life supporting how

9:53

we run our business. So big

9:56

ahas I took a big trip to Nepal

9:58

and A lot

10:00

of that was just what blocks

10:02

am I putting in front of myself that

10:04

keep me back? Because we are our own

10:08

best saboteurs of our life and

10:10

our business. And

10:12

also the importance of how

10:14

I build relationships with other people has

10:16

grown a lot since then. So

10:19

I'm all in on my

10:21

signature program this year to

10:23

help creative businesses, basically.

10:25

I'm the one who

10:27

has a serious creative business really

10:29

up level it. And

10:32

that doesn't mean that I'm done with making art

10:34

or teaching art, but for now I'm going on

10:36

the one thing. But I

10:38

think that's worth recognising that because I

10:40

think when, particularly if you're at the

10:42

beginning level of the journey, you think

10:45

like why would you build something like

10:47

you're building something when you have something

10:49

that is successful to be

10:51

able to take that decision to stop

10:54

it or to turn it

10:56

around. Like that's a

10:58

hard decision to have to make

11:01

and it involves then a lot

11:03

of moving parts. It's

11:08

a big thing to recognise there's often

11:10

a gap between knowing what we need

11:12

to do and actually doing it. And

11:14

I think that's quite hard to

11:17

do. How have

11:19

you had you've had support,

11:21

though, along the journey in doing

11:23

that? Yeah,

11:25

I hire coaches because I need

11:28

a sounding board. Yeah. Not

11:30

every coach that I've hired has been an

11:32

ideal match. And then, of course, you and

11:34

I basically mastermind together by getting on and

11:36

just having calls once a month and talking

11:38

through our ideas. And it's been fun, too,

11:40

because you and I have had a lot

11:42

of ideas over the years. And most of

11:45

the time, once we've talked it through, we

11:47

can put it on the

11:49

shelf and say, now's not the time.

11:52

And I love that really what's happened is

11:54

stripping away all that doesn't work to

11:56

get consistent on what does work. It's

11:59

really. more of a process of elimination

12:01

than it is a process of

12:03

adding more in order to make business

12:06

work, to make life work. I

12:09

mean like you've even mentioned on Art Juice

12:11

how you love the book Essentialism and that

12:13

was a big huge shift for me. It

12:15

was like once I realized

12:17

what I needed to do was less not more

12:20

and tap into the thing that

12:22

really light me up, lights me

12:24

up, also really what I'm good

12:26

at. I'm surprising myself that this

12:28

is what I meant to do

12:30

but it's fueling my fire. I never

12:32

get bored of it, you know, and

12:34

not that I was really bored of

12:37

teaching. It was just, I

12:39

don't know, I heard the calling and I answered.

12:42

But yeah, to have to pivot away from something

12:44

that was incredibly successful

12:46

to then try to

12:48

figure out all the pieces and move forward

12:51

with made remarkable but it's worth, it's been

12:53

worth every moment. It's just, it

12:55

takes a lot of self-growth.

12:58

I've heard recently some

13:01

of the podcasts I listen to

13:03

say, you know, if you really want

13:05

personal growth just start a business. Nothing

13:08

is stopping you more than

13:11

that. It's

13:13

so true and I say

13:15

that as well that, you know, not

13:17

also the business of growing a business

13:20

can be as creative and revealing and

13:22

self-reflective as making art. I think they

13:24

are perfect partners and

13:27

you have to be prepared to go there.

13:29

Like you have to be prepared to do

13:31

that learning, to do that

13:33

journey, to put yourself into spaces where things

13:35

feel a little bit uncomfortable and it is

13:39

never-ending in a rather

13:41

lovely way because there's

13:43

always just the next part of it and the

13:45

next part and you don't have to see that

13:47

far ahead but

13:51

both in my experience have supported

13:53

each other. Like when

13:56

I have made stretches in

13:58

my art, making

14:00

that has fed

14:02

back into the

14:04

confidence and the way that I

14:07

make decisions about what

14:09

I need to do in my business and how I

14:11

want to work with other people and vice

14:14

versa, I think as well. I think there

14:16

are times where really focusing in

14:18

on what's important to me, like

14:21

what are the core reasons why

14:24

I'm doing this in the first place? That

14:27

helps the way I make art and how

14:30

all those pieces fit together. And I think

14:33

for me, part of it is

14:35

accepting what you really

14:37

want to do. Like for a long

14:39

time, I had this big thing of,

14:42

okay, are you

14:44

a proper artist if you're also running a business,

14:46

which is a membership for other artists? Because if

14:48

you're a proper artist, shouldn't you be putting all

14:50

your heart and soul into that? And

14:53

I'm like, do you know what? I like doing

14:55

both. I like it. I want

14:57

it. I want to do both. Can't

15:00

I have it? Well,

15:02

sometimes I think the art fuels

15:05

the business, the other part of the business. It's

15:08

like, you're right, they go hand in hand. And

15:12

I don't have to rely on the art

15:14

itself to sustain the business. The

15:16

art is part of the fuel for

15:19

the business, but the business is this

15:21

other element for you. It's your membership.

15:23

For me, it's made remarkable. And my

15:26

coaching and or the art courses, like

15:28

so there are always other ways in

15:30

which we can use our art to

15:33

fuel the creativity of our business. Yeah.

15:35

Yeah. I mean, I've got quite a lot on this. I

15:37

mean, I normally show my work

15:40

at Open Studios and usually a couple

15:42

of art fairs a year. This year,

15:44

I've also got two other shows going

15:46

on. So like the making the work,

15:49

it's there. It's

15:52

forefront for me. Like I do

15:55

feel that without doing that, I

15:58

wouldn't be able to show up the way I do. in

16:00

my membership because

16:03

it's by being in the trenches of the

16:06

making the art part of it as well.

16:09

How do we juggle all of that? How

16:12

do you make those decisions like you're talking about filtering

16:14

things out and letting things go and actually you've got

16:16

a lot of balls in the air. There's

16:19

a lot going on and it's a lot.

16:21

I always think there's

16:23

at least three businesses going on. There's

16:25

the making the art business, there's the

16:27

marketing the art business, there's the supporting

16:30

art. Many artists have workshops or things

16:32

that they want to do and also

16:34

many artists have other jobs and we

16:37

have families. So what are we on

16:39

now five things already? Yeah and then

16:41

we forget about this part the most

16:43

important part right. The vehicle that actually

16:45

gets us there is ourselves. Yeah

16:47

and that's been my biggest

16:49

aha in the hustle

16:52

which I hate that word but it

16:54

was a hustle of building the business

16:56

I forgot about me. And so

16:59

that's been a big realization that

17:01

without my health, without my well-being,

17:03

without my relationships, I don't have a

17:05

business. It's not sustainable. So that's

17:07

been probably one of the biggest

17:09

shifts. However, I

17:12

haven't introduced you yet to my audience.

17:14

So I'm going to like

17:16

do a little segue here and say I

17:20

don't remember when but like about a year ago

17:22

I went back as far as I could in

17:24

your feed to see when it

17:27

was that I actually first commented on

17:29

your work. Oh wow. My

17:33

first time of posting it all on Instagram was

17:35

2014. So by the end of 2014 or early

17:37

2015 we had already

17:41

started making a connection.

17:43

Had we? Yeah so

17:45

long before I actually launched

17:47

Color Crush Creative. That's

17:51

really interesting. And it was long before

17:53

you started Connected Artists. Long before. Yeah.

17:55

Yeah because I think you started Connected

17:57

Artists about the same year I did.

18:00

mine 2018 and 2018 I want

18:02

to say yeah 2018 so we

18:04

still had connection prior to that

18:09

This is just to

18:11

prove that The

18:14

relationships were building online our real

18:17

relationships as much as

18:19

my husband Yeah, I'm tired like your

18:21

little fantasy friends online. I'm like no

18:23

there we go Ten pals

18:25

that we finally get to meet Yeah,

18:29

you know so to me

18:32

You've always been the pinnacle of how

18:34

to create for me when I

18:37

see how you present your work How you honor

18:39

your work the types of work that

18:41

just always intrigued me I've always thought

18:43

your artwork is just gorgeous and That

18:48

you can show up gently I'm a

18:50

lot more aggressive of being online all the

18:52

time and the fact that you could build

18:54

a business more gently than I have I

18:57

love that and just it's

18:59

been really fun to like Grow

19:02

alongside you and are both of

19:04

us having big dreams and aspirations

19:06

and having mindset blocks that we've

19:09

worked through together Everything

19:11

from oh, I don't want connected artists to get

19:13

bigger. I don't need it to be a big

19:16

thing and here it is a big thing and

19:20

Also been really interesting as you and I have

19:22

both had a lot of ideas along the way

19:24

for our own individual paths Yeah,

19:27

and and this was a

19:30

conversation we had just a couple weeks ago It's

19:32

like why did we set certain goals and then

19:34

never follow through with them? This

19:36

there's a mature a maturity in being

19:38

a business owner That you

19:40

and I have both gone through of saying I actually

19:43

can't physically do all those things So I

19:46

have to pick the thing that's most important

19:48

so all these fun ideas like at one

19:50

point you were going to create an art

19:52

course and Then

19:55

there's prints and there's like all these things that we

19:57

want to do that. We finally say, you know what?

20:00

we have to stay focused on just a

20:02

couple of the most important things. And

20:05

in that, that's how the success happens.

20:08

It's hard. It

20:10

is hard because we're creative, we wanna do

20:12

all the things. Yeah. And that's

20:15

one thing I can say over and over,

20:17

if you want to be successful

20:19

without being stressed out, completely is

20:23

focusing on just one or two things, making your

20:25

art and then whatever, if you

20:27

wanna like host a workshop or a course

20:29

or whatever, like, but to do all the

20:31

things and then have friends and stickers and

20:33

do the shows and do the traveling work,

20:36

like by the time you add all those

20:38

things on, it's impossible. There's only one of

20:40

us. So we have to like figure out,

20:43

is it that comes back to that

20:45

decision making, what's gonna be the best

20:48

way forward and not just which

20:50

is the angle I took that was wrong

20:52

before, which is gonna make me the most

20:54

money. So like supporting

20:57

me and my family is an important goal, but

21:00

then along the line, I realized

21:02

what fuels me, what lights me

21:04

up is what's gonna be most

21:06

profitable because then I'm more true

21:08

to myself. Well, you're

21:10

more committed to it then, aren't you? And

21:12

I go back to like

21:15

really early days, like even before

21:17

Instagram, when I was building my

21:20

first website and okay, to

21:22

the irony is I left graphic design because

21:24

I was spending too long in front of

21:26

the computer. You

21:29

can believe that now. But

21:34

figuring out my own website and I remember

21:36

my husband saying to me, you know, why

21:38

are you doing all of this? I was

21:40

like, there was a drive, like there was

21:42

a need and that was the only way

21:44

through. That

21:47

was the way through. And I had

21:49

to follow that to see where it would

21:52

go. Like nobody else was gonna do it

21:54

for me and

21:57

also along the way, finding people. who

22:00

can like drag you a little bit when

22:02

they go and get tough or throw you

22:04

a floatade when you need it. That

22:07

has been so important to me

22:09

whether it is in the role

22:11

of somebody as an official coach

22:14

or through learning through programs of

22:16

various kinds or self-learning in books

22:18

that we talked about or just

22:20

personal connections quite frankly. Sometimes it's

22:23

just the connections you make with

22:25

friends you know

22:27

and those kind of conversations that

22:29

you have even through DMs on

22:31

Instagram can give you like

22:33

the boost and when that happens in real life

22:36

when those things that started online

22:38

happen in real life it

22:41

is absolute magic

22:43

and you know since

22:46

we had that 2020 right you

22:51

know are we ever going to travel again? Yeah exactly.

22:54

The ability to do things again in

22:56

person has been something that I really

22:59

wanted to do and I've done it

23:01

in small ways and they've been lovely.

23:03

I've done social things that

23:06

was terrific. This is

23:08

a combination of both

23:10

and I think it's going to be really

23:13

exciting for those who come. I

23:16

think it really I mean it's so cliche

23:18

we've been trying to write about it and

23:20

find the right words for it. Almost

23:23

everything we try to say sounds

23:25

like some kind of hackneyed cliche

23:27

rubbish so I don't know what's

23:29

going to be on that event

23:32

page when we get there hopefully

23:34

it won't be. I think it's

23:36

going to be a hard decision. I think it can be

23:38

glad alignment. No. I

23:41

mean like that is the ultimate goal

23:43

but that's not really like the cliche

23:45

part of it is not what we're going for.

23:48

We want it to be different. Yeah

23:51

and definitely different from our experiences

23:53

online because again like you said

23:56

you know really I'm

23:58

grateful again. grateful for

24:00

online because that's how we've built

24:03

global communities. But the

24:05

time is now to actually feel

24:07

each other's energy in person. And

24:10

when that happens, it is a

24:12

big shift in who you are.

24:14

There's no, you can't, you

24:17

don't go to an event like this for,

24:20

you know, a learning objective. You

24:22

go for an experience, you go for

24:24

connection, you go to rediscover yourself again.

24:26

And you and I, like, I've

24:29

had a couple of events where I've

24:31

had people in person as well. And

24:33

on a smaller scale. And you and

24:35

I both walk away saying, wow, even

24:38

for us as leaders on that, like,

24:40

even as you and I decided to do this, we're

24:43

like, this isn't like some big,

24:45

huge, like online launch of

24:47

a program. This is small

24:49

and intimate. It's not like

24:51

it's, you know, the biggest

24:54

profitable moneymaker. But

24:56

we both have decided the reason we're doing

24:58

this is because we crave the

25:00

connection and we know if we feel it, other

25:02

people must feel it too. Yeah. Yeah.

25:06

I also think it's going to be interesting

25:08

because you and I do have things in

25:10

common, but we also

25:13

do things differently. And I think there

25:15

are areas that you have a really

25:17

strong skill set in. You're like I

25:20

said, you're great with names, you're great

25:22

with strategy, you're really great with like

25:24

really helping people like pinpoint

25:27

maybe particular areas and

25:29

also really see that

25:31

overall, like how this

25:33

could be with this almost

25:36

with the structure in place of it.

25:39

And I think one of the things

25:41

that we've talked about definitely having is

25:43

opportunities for people to kind of spotlight

25:46

and have those kind of conversations that

25:48

you wish you could have that you

25:50

can't have in an Instagram DM, but

25:52

you can hash it out together. And

25:55

what I know is that when two people

25:57

are having that kind of conversation, everybody

26:00

else around them learns from it. And

26:03

I think that is super

26:05

powerful in a way that just

26:09

that to and fro, that flow is

26:12

really important. One

26:15

of the things that I'm very conscious

26:17

to be aware of within this time

26:19

for this event is to give space

26:21

for that ebb and flow. Right.

26:24

To be responsive, to be reactive. So yes,

26:27

of course we're going to have a plan

26:29

for it because hello, Alice needs

26:31

some kind of a plan. We've actually need

26:33

some kind of plan. And you and I

26:35

are both overdelivers anyway. Yeah. But

26:38

we've also just been talking about

26:40

how important it is to leave

26:43

space for responsiveness, for

26:45

reflection, to adapt according to

26:47

what happens a little bit and what people need.

26:49

And I think that will be also an important

26:51

part of it. As people make

26:54

the decision to sign up and come, there

26:56

will be a way to start that conversation

26:58

going right from that moment all the way

27:00

through to the event and

27:02

afterwards. Absolutely. And

27:05

thank you so much for noticing

27:07

where my strengths are. And I

27:09

notice you and your way

27:12

to pull out people's like

27:15

that part of them, which

27:18

one of the reasons why we use soul in

27:20

it, but soul led, like the unearthing

27:22

of who they are and what they're

27:24

meant to be. You have probably

27:27

a little bit more of a emotional

27:30

or spiritual base pull.

27:33

Like you said, you don't want everyone

27:35

always coming from their head, but to

27:37

come from this part, maybe

27:40

the solar plexus of their being.

27:43

Like where does it feel in your

27:45

body and your emotions of where are

27:48

you driven to go next? And I

27:50

feel that from you as you pull

27:52

us through the decision-making of

27:54

how we got to soulmate events.

27:58

It's funny because again, we

28:00

too'd and fro'd about the name, it was like it had

28:02

to feel right. So my

28:04

company is called Soul Rocket. Because

28:07

the goal is like that's

28:10

the driver and then Kelly has made

28:12

remarkable. So she was like, uh duh,

28:14

how about doing soulmate? Right, done. We're

28:16

in. I think it's like three weeks

28:19

of going back and forth on names

28:21

before we were like, why

28:23

don't we just combine? But

28:26

I think it's interesting because it is, it

28:30

is this thing of your strengths

28:32

and also what you need to do next.

28:35

Like that learning of what got you so

28:37

far is not going to be the bit

28:40

that takes you forward. And that

28:42

part of me that is thinking,

28:46

driven, planning, that

28:48

got me a long way and only

28:51

so far. And this has

28:53

been a journey of, you know,

28:55

ongoing I would say for probably seven,

28:59

eight years, but more particularly like last

29:01

year you made that decision to close

29:04

your membership when you did in order

29:06

to focus on something else. I didn't

29:09

pull back from the art or mind membership

29:12

but I committed a lot of time for

29:15

other training in areas that I had

29:17

previously experienced and needed

29:19

to know more about.

29:22

And I'm not an expert in

29:25

those but I think the

29:27

reason that I was pulled to do

29:29

that kind of training and

29:31

learning is built on what

29:33

people have told me is something

29:37

that I have naturally, my children might

29:39

disagree, which is an

29:41

ability to

29:44

be sensitive. And somebody said the other day,

29:47

you know, you have the ability to get

29:49

right to the heart of something

29:51

and to see something in someone

29:53

where they're stuck and where

29:56

they can unravel it. And I find Myself.

30:00

Wanting to give that more

30:02

and more. And

30:04

it can sometimes be hard to

30:06

do that in a in a large

30:08

space night. They to do this in

30:11

person. It's

30:13

exciting. It's. Gonna be great and

30:15

it's the most beautiful reading and this

30:17

is if this of the other thing

30:19

is like you have the I like

30:21

I had we had the idea frets

30:23

I had the idea from the space

30:25

have to be right and then I

30:27

went so my know I am I

30:29

don't just back from and our site

30:31

this is the this is the place

30:33

this is the place says it's know

30:35

in london it outside of london but

30:38

it's accessible from London. And

30:40

you get the train or you could

30:42

drive so it's fairly central with in

30:45

the Uk. Sort

30:47

of between western Birmingham, that sort

30:49

of area that I'm hoping that

30:51

people will be able to travel

30:53

and get to it fairly easily

30:55

and hence him to all of

30:57

the earth or on in the

30:59

North America air area. The price

31:01

of tickets to get London of

31:03

not too shabby right now so

31:05

it may be worth this experience

31:07

be. Even though. Our

31:10

supplier hopeful this is something we

31:12

can continue on into the future.

31:14

There's no guarantee this is our

31:16

first. It's gonna be exciting and

31:19

we really wanna like fill it

31:21

up with the most amazing. Create.

31:24

Of souls. I

31:26

guess. I'll have you

31:28

humans out there who don't read

31:31

something deeper and meaningful to help

31:33

with decision making to help with.

31:36

Ah, I'm really shifting. You're

31:38

gonna move to your future.

31:42

In which is a good at getting

31:44

in. Stick to it. And.

31:47

In Iraq as use of sad

31:49

and. We'll

31:51

need permission from our gonna go but

31:53

it sure feels good to get some

31:56

validation. It. Feels good

31:58

to, you know, just. have

32:00

like that that huddle the pre-game

32:02

huddle where you're really like figuring everything

32:04

out and having other people who are

32:07

like minded in that to do that.

32:10

Okay one thing we should

32:13

probably talk about then is

32:15

who it's for and

32:17

I would say this is

32:19

probably not the

32:22

thing for you if you are right

32:24

at the beginning of your

32:26

art making journey. However

32:29

this is I don't see this

32:31

as being only for people artists

32:33

who are only interested in business

32:36

as in running courses. I

32:39

think what we're going to be covering

32:41

in this time will be equally as valid if

32:44

your key intention is

32:46

to really drive your

32:48

art making and your business to the

32:51

next level from a point of view

32:53

of sharing what

32:55

you do and creating what you do and

32:57

getting it out into the world but there

33:00

is a degree of really

33:03

considered intentionality and

33:05

commitment that I see this

33:09

event being for rather than people

33:11

who are still happily in a

33:13

playful stage. Yeah

33:17

everyone's at a different place of

33:19

what their art and their art making

33:21

means to them and not everyone is

33:24

on the journey to monetize and make a

33:26

bad business out of it and

33:29

so some of it might pass

33:31

by you if you were

33:33

to come to this and that wasn't your

33:35

one of your goals in life which is

33:38

to build up your art practice into some

33:40

sort of a profitable business you

33:43

know whether it's selling art it's

33:45

working with designers it's creating content

33:47

it's courses collaborations communities whatever

33:49

it is that you're building but

33:51

that you actually have you

33:54

know you want to propel yourself to that

33:56

next level that's the person that's

33:58

the person who takes that artwork serious

34:01

and ownership in what that means as

34:03

far as a business goes. But

34:06

does that mean that you already have to be

34:08

completely established? No. I think you should

34:11

be a proficient artist though or

34:13

creator or maker or expert in the

34:15

field of work that you do. So

34:18

I think even writers or

34:20

makers of any kind this would be

34:23

ideal for. But for

34:25

those who are already established in the thing

34:27

that they're an expert in, they've been making

34:29

art for a while, they've been throwing pots

34:32

for a while, they've been, whatever

34:37

it is that your expertise is, you're

34:39

not just brand new on that path. Yeah,

34:42

for me it's something about that

34:44

really taking ownership of stepping

34:47

into being the central part of

34:50

what you're creating. Whatever

34:52

it is that you're creating, whether it's

34:54

just for you or for others, but

34:56

that real ownership of

34:58

responsibility and that time

35:00

for reflection, time away from

35:03

the everyday, time to

35:05

have conversations with other creatives,

35:07

see what they're doing.

35:09

And yeah, just again that real

35:11

sense of yeah, am I really doing this? And

35:14

if the answer is yes, that's

35:16

it. That's it. Yeah,

35:19

because I go back time and time again

35:21

to this idea of not having gatekeepers, not

35:24

waiting for somebody else to give you permission,

35:28

and trusting that sense in yourself,

35:30

am I ready to do this? Okay,

35:33

and you might not know all the answers at

35:35

this whatever stage this is for you. You

35:38

don't know all the answers before you start doing

35:40

something, before you start building it, before you start

35:42

creating it. You don't know, you find it out

35:44

along the way, am I really doing

35:46

this? Am I ready to say yes to this and start?

35:50

That's it. And whether I think there will be

35:52

a lot of people who have

35:54

been very successful in a particular area and

35:57

are now ready to make changes.

36:00

to make different decisions, to do

36:02

things differently with the

36:04

knowledge, the experience, the wisdom that

36:06

they have already from

36:08

the path that we've all got to get

36:11

to this point, like how you make decisions

36:13

in life. So what

36:15

do you think really like, we're gonna

36:17

dive into it, we're not giving the

36:19

whole itinerary today or anything like this,

36:23

but I think it would be really good to discuss

36:26

how do we make decisions moving forward? What

36:28

are the things that you and I both

36:30

see as like, either

36:33

obstacles or opportunities

36:36

as we're moving into like, hopefully away

36:38

from like that 2020 energy and

36:42

into like possibility? I

36:45

think possibilities come much

36:48

more easily when

36:54

you can accept the

36:57

real truth of how you operate best,

37:02

which is not the same as anyone else. And

37:04

actually acknowledging the things

37:07

that you do want and

37:09

the things that you

37:11

don't do very well. I

37:14

was just having a conversation with the lady who did my

37:16

facial, do I look all glowy? And

37:19

about the fact that I don't think I'm

37:23

a very good manager. I mean, we were talking

37:25

about this in the context of my daughter's job

37:27

and this lady's job and she said, oh, people

37:29

have left because the manager's not very good. And

37:31

I was like, I don't think I'm great at

37:33

it because she

37:38

was talking about their manager being

37:40

quite dictatorial and very strict. And

37:43

I was like, I think I kind of wing

37:45

the other way too far. Like I leave it

37:47

a bit open, I trust people to do their

37:49

thing, to find their space in it. And then

37:52

I sometimes have disappointments when it's not done quite

37:55

how I expected or something. That's

37:59

on me. Right. Like

38:01

this, that's on me to be

38:03

clear or not clear and also

38:05

it's on me to

38:08

learn from my own disappointment. Like,

38:11

absolutely. This is

38:14

the thing why it's so ongoing and fascinating for

38:16

me and we have to own those bits of

38:18

ourselves. We can't pretend that we're living in, like

38:20

when you said to me, you know,

38:23

we're going to do it on video. I was like, oh really?

38:25

You could have warned me. I could put a bit of mascara

38:27

on. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's just

38:29

do it. But the point, because the point is actually

38:31

at the end of the day, I don't really care.

38:34

A little bit of me for a flicker might go,

38:36

I wish I'd put some concealer on and I

38:39

don't have any eyelashes anymore. But

38:42

I don't really care. What's more

38:44

important is knowing

38:48

yourself and the drive and why you're doing something. That

38:50

drives all your decisions and we

38:52

only get derailed when we get pulled a

38:55

little bit off track by other people. That's

38:57

the only time I've ever been derailed when

38:59

I've started to feel like I have to

39:01

deliver what other people are needing from me

39:03

rather than staying in the space where I

39:05

feel like this is what I

39:07

do well, this is what I do naturally, this

39:10

is what I enjoy. And

39:12

to me, part of that is being

39:15

a little bit experimental, being a bit

39:17

sucky and see, and that might drive

39:20

some people absolutely nuts. And

39:22

that's fine. We all get to do it our

39:24

own way. So I think really looking into how

39:27

you operate and how those

39:29

current decisions are affecting your life right

39:31

now, I think that

39:33

will be a cool part of it. Right.

39:36

And I love that as you've

39:38

grown and changed, as we all

39:41

do, I mean, hopefully everyone grows

39:43

and changes. But you've been able

39:45

to work those elements into what

39:47

you already have with connected artists

39:50

instead of having to break

39:53

it all down and burn it to the ground

39:55

like I did. Not

39:57

yet. there's

40:00

always going to be time for change

40:02

and pivoting. And I think it's normal

40:04

in evolution of a business that those

40:06

kinds of things do happen. When

40:09

it comes to decision making for me,

40:11

a lot of

40:14

previous Kelly was, this is what I see

40:16

other people doing. And I want to be

40:18

like that person. And then

40:21

what I realized now after, and this

40:24

comes, you know, experience creates a little

40:26

bit of wisdom in this is nobody

40:28

knows really what they're doing. We're all just

40:31

making it up. And the best offer you

40:33

can make, the best business you can

40:35

design is the one that

40:37

feels right to you. And so it's

40:39

like, okay, why not just try something

40:41

new that's never been done before? Why

40:43

not design it the way I

40:45

really want to be able to show it? I

40:48

think the biggest thing though is still remembering that

40:51

it's going to be worked no matter how you

40:53

do it. You know,

40:55

it's going to be, are you sure? How

40:58

many free your letter books delivered on

41:00

a little package? I know.

41:03

Right. That's not, I

41:05

think the thing, the thing in that to

41:08

me is the definition of work. Like I

41:10

have been working this morning since

41:13

nine o'clock. Okay. With a

41:15

facial break, but, but,

41:17

but I get to plan that. And actually

41:19

all of the things that I've been doing

41:21

today, like I can't believe it's now seven

41:23

o'clock in the evening. Like

41:26

I had a great day. I

41:28

know. Does it mean to say that I want

41:30

my every day to be like this? No, but

41:33

it doesn't feel like showing up for

41:35

work for somebody else and being like,

41:38

and being controlled. It comes from

41:40

decisions that I've made because

41:43

I've chosen to do things that feel important

41:45

to me. And

41:48

I think the other thing I just

41:51

want to say that has been so

41:53

helpful along the way is just this

41:55

idea of sometimes

41:58

not knowing what it is that you don't know. and

42:01

really getting in a little bit of

42:03

a pit because you get stuck and

42:06

I tell you what I

42:08

don't know a random thing that's come to mind

42:10

when our dog when I was growing up had

42:12

puppies they

42:14

were very cute and they would bounce along

42:16

the grass towards you but they were like

42:18

little holes in the grass in the lawn

42:21

and sometimes the puppies would just go along

42:23

and go whoop and they'd end up like

42:26

face first in the hole with

42:28

their little puppy bottoms and tails

42:31

sticking up the top like because

42:33

they couldn't anticipate where

42:35

the holes were and what was

42:37

going to happen to them you know pick

42:39

them up and plunk them out and then they'd

42:41

be on their way again and I think

42:44

that often happens in the journey

42:46

as well it's like

42:48

we don't sometimes know where we're

42:50

stuck and

42:52

I think that ability to

42:55

choose things over and see how

42:57

other people do things it's

43:00

also that sense of we only

43:02

experience the world through our eyes

43:04

and our experiences and

43:06

when we expose ourselves to

43:08

different things like to raise other people

43:11

do things differently there are always little

43:13

bits that we can take back not

43:15

in the same way not in the way that you're

43:18

talking about of they're doing that I want to do

43:20

it like that but in a oh

43:22

I kind of guess it well that's interesting

43:24

so that thing that I thought I couldn't

43:26

do because or it had to

43:29

be done this way I see somebody over

43:31

there doing it their way huh

43:35

works does that mean I don't know

43:37

you just really don't know what you

43:39

don't know which is why we can't

43:41

make art in a bubble we

43:43

can't make work in a bubble we can't be

43:45

the business in a bubble we need each other

43:48

and it's not so that we can say okay so I

43:50

can do it like that but it's like just opening

43:52

up possibility you know

43:55

and I think there is

43:57

something beautiful in masterminding with us people

44:00

and it's something that I've craved like

44:03

I create I honestly think that made remarkable

44:05

a lot of it is I created what

44:07

I didn't have that I wanted and needed

44:10

yeah and that's probably what you did with connected

44:12

artists as well I wanted

44:16

people who were motivated to

44:19

live a better life and to build

44:21

a better business and to connect more

44:23

deeply I want I've

44:25

always wanted that and I found it in

44:27

a few people like you and a few

44:29

other friends that I've hopped on calls with

44:32

and just kept connections with over the years

44:34

but it's rare to

44:36

find it in a larger format

44:38

of other motivated creative souls

44:41

who are willing to take that risk and

44:43

like you starting work at seven and not

44:45

ending and or starting work at nine and

44:48

not ending till seven although sometimes it's starting

44:50

at seven and not ending till nine and

44:52

being okay with it because we

44:54

love it I love it you

44:57

know I love it I

44:59

can I I have to like this

45:01

is part of my work that I'm

45:03

doing is better boundaries between me and

45:05

work yeah and

45:08

it's ongoing but I think that's the thing

45:10

isn't it it's like the pivots to really

45:13

kind of make the life you

45:15

love in a way that you enjoy and there's

45:18

a you know there's a

45:20

freedom and neither of us are

45:22

pretending that this is like super

45:25

easy magic wand everything will be fixed

45:28

like we'd be the first to say

45:30

it's not that straightforward but I

45:33

think there are these moments where you

45:35

do have to you make a

45:37

commitment to yourself or you recognize that something needs

45:40

to change for you and I just

45:42

think yeah anyway the two

45:45

of us are gonna be there I mean

45:47

yeah we hope we hope some of

45:51

you will come and join us

45:53

so we hope to sell out but

45:56

I've only 60 spots and that

45:59

waitlist is gonna be have priority.

46:01

And even if you

46:03

choose not to come this time, put your name

46:05

on the waitlist so that you're aware of whatever

46:08

happens in the future with full

46:11

needs. I think there's going to

46:13

be some evolution to

46:15

this as well. Yeah.

46:19

So where can people find

46:21

out? Because I think it's quite interesting

46:23

if you're listening and you're new to

46:26

either of us. So

46:29

you can find out a little bit more.

46:31

So you can browse my Instagram, which is

46:33

at Alice Sheridan Studio, or

46:35

you can hear a bit more

46:37

of me on the Art Juice

46:39

podcast if you're listening over with

46:42

Kelly. Yes. And

46:44

then you go. And then if

46:46

you are here on the Made Remarkable

46:48

podcast and you have not heard of

46:50

Art Juice, are you living under a

46:52

rock? That's what I want to know.

46:55

Because everybody has and everyone

46:57

loves it and so do I. So

46:59

you can listen to Alice with her

47:01

podcast co-host, Louise Fletcher, quite

47:04

often on Art

47:06

Juice. Where can you

47:08

see you? And you can find

47:10

me on my podcast that is growing.

47:12

It's called Made Remarkable.

47:14

I do solo episodes and

47:17

I host other interesting

47:20

artists and creative entrepreneurs who are doing

47:22

remarkable things. And that's the whole picture

47:24

I want to paint for

47:27

my listeners is all the

47:29

many ways that we take ourselves, our

47:32

personality, our loves and desires and all

47:34

the different facets of who

47:36

you are and build something that's

47:38

fully unique and exciting and beautiful

47:41

for your business. Plus,

47:43

of course, few marketing and whatnot

47:46

tips. Got to have a few of those in

47:48

there, too. I

47:50

love marketing, though, but marketing to me

47:52

is just communication and building relationships. So

47:54

once you learn that, it doesn't seem

47:57

so hard. No, well, I

47:59

think if we combine. going back together we're

48:01

probably on at least 25 years

48:04

of experience of learning

48:08

and growing and doing things mainly

48:11

on ourselves. Anyway, so that is

48:13

the amazing mashup, the in-person, what

48:16

do we call it, down and dirty, no

48:18

bullshit mashup, which is going to be Soulmaid.

48:20

It is happening in May.

48:22

It is happening in May

48:24

and we want you to be there. We

48:27

want you to be there. The

48:29

place to go is to soulmaidevents.com,

48:32

get your name on the waitlist,

48:34

find out a little bit more,

48:37

put those dates in your diary now

48:39

and then you can start making

48:42

it a possibility for

48:44

whether this is something that you want to come and join

48:46

us for. We're excited. We

48:48

have got a lot of work to do.

48:50

We have got to be putting a

48:52

lot into this to make it something

48:54

we hope you will remember for a very

48:57

long time and will be something that

48:59

you come out of feeling energised,

49:02

inspired, reinvigorated

49:05

perhaps with your fire while you

49:07

started doing this and feeling

49:09

like life can be a little bit more

49:11

simpler and straightforward. That's what I hope for

49:13

people anyway. That's what I hope

49:15

for too. I believe our

49:18

goal is to have the tickets, open

49:20

up the tickets by March

49:23

4th. That's not long from

49:25

now when this podcast goes

49:27

out. You'll be the first

49:29

on that list at soulmaidevents.com.

49:32

Also, I forgot to mention, you can find

49:34

me at Kelly Wynn Studios. You can drop

49:36

in and leave me a message anytime if

49:38

you have questions. It's just me answering. I

49:40

don't have an assistant for my social media

49:43

but I would love to have a

49:45

conversation with you if you have any

49:47

questions. It's just really fun to be

49:49

able to connect. It's been great, 10

49:51

years of being on Instagram with you,

49:54

Alice. We're finally making this happen. We're

49:56

finally doing it. Yeah,

49:58

sometimes things take a while. That's alright. We've

50:01

grown up into a more grown-up full of

50:03

version of itself so. I'm

50:05

just too right about that. Have we done

50:07

it any sooner? It wouldn't have been really

50:09

right. This was the time. Yeah,

50:11

brilliant. Right, I'm going to go cook supper.

50:14

You're going to go and have

50:16

an afternoon. And

50:19

everybody listening. Everyone

50:21

listening and have a lovely rest of their

50:23

day. All right. Bye. Bye.