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the last day of March. So

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just coincidental that it can, I don't think they

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planned it. No, it just happened to be, yeah.

3:08

Because usually Easter, we celebrate in April. I know

3:10

this is a really kind of weird day

3:12

to be celebrating. The last day of March.

3:14

So what happened this week? Well, there's a

3:16

big story that I guess you probably want

3:18

me to talk about. There,

3:21

yeah, sure. Let's do it. You have

3:23

any guesses? I don't know what, which

3:26

story this is. This is a huge

3:28

one and yet it's very obscure. And

3:30

so, but it does affect you because

3:32

you use a Macintosh. Oh,

3:35

I do use Homebrew. Okay. So

3:38

you absolutely want to update. Just do

3:41

Homebrew upgrade. I'll do it right now.

3:43

It will downgrade a program called XZ,

3:47

which you never installed, but unfortunately a

3:49

lot of other programs do. It is

3:52

one of those, it's a, you know, kind of

3:54

a zip library. It does a unzipping

3:56

and a lot of libraries

3:58

use it. including, unfortunately,

4:01

a very important

4:03

security library called OpenSSH. Oh,

4:06

well, yeah. The

4:08

interesting thing about this story is this

4:11

guy put a back

4:13

door in it but started very

4:15

subtly four years ago. There's

4:19

really so many interesting pieces on this. First

4:22

of all, it is serious if you use SSH

4:24

because it does backdoor SSH which is used to,

4:27

I use it, a lot of people use it to log in

4:29

securely. You may not even know you use it. Synology,

4:31

NASAs use it. There are a lot of

4:33

places where it's used. About

4:36

four years ago, so the ECC, this is

4:39

very commonly the case, by the way, in

4:41

open source libraries. One guy was a maintainer

4:45

for years and everybody used it but it was, you

4:47

know, one guy was running it. He

4:50

fell behind, kind of lost interest or maybe he

4:52

fell ill. I'm not sure what happened. And

4:55

another fellow said, hey, I'd like

4:57

to help you as a maintainer. This is years

4:59

ago and

5:01

got maintainer privileges, contributed to

5:04

the library for

5:07

a long time. The original library creator

5:10

said great, you know, I've handed it off. And

5:14

this went on for some time. It

5:17

was only a few

5:19

days ago that a Microsoft guy, not

5:21

a security researcher but

5:23

apparently somebody who is extremely

5:26

OCD, was benchmarking the performance

5:28

of his secure, SSH

5:30

is used to log into computers, secure shell

5:32

is what it stands for. He

5:35

was, and he said, well, this is half a second too

5:37

slow. That's not right. Half

5:39

a second, that's a whole lot of time. That's

5:41

not right. 500 milliseconds off,

5:43

what's wrong? And kind of

5:45

thought, well, there's a, you know, something I can improve

5:48

in the code. And a

5:50

backdoor, and a serious backdoor, remote

5:53

code execution backdoor that allowed a

5:55

bad guy to get

5:57

your keys and intercept your SSH traffic.

6:00

And eventually, you know, you'd be so compromised

6:02

to be very, very, very, very bad news.

6:04

Now, why am I, I mean, this is

6:06

a general technology show. This is not for

6:09

the geeks and the insiders except that it's

6:11

so widely used. And

6:13

the other thing that's very interesting

6:15

is that the persistence and patience

6:18

of the bad actor is remarkable.

6:20

Years in the making, he slowly got

6:22

more and more trust, slowly

6:24

got to the point where he could inject

6:27

this. It was obfuscated, which

6:29

means it wasn't obvious what it was doing. It

6:32

was very clever. We think at this point,

6:34

we security researchers think at this point, it

6:36

was probably a nation-state actor. I

6:38

am sure Steve Gibson will do an entire episode on

6:40

this because it's such a fascinating episode. So

6:43

listen on Tuesday to Security Now. But

6:45

the important point is more of

6:48

us use it than thought. I thought, oh, I don't have

6:50

to worry about that. And then I realized

6:53

I do have to and you have to. And

6:55

anybody who uses Homebrew on a Macintosh, anybody

6:58

who uses Linux, and most of the

7:00

Linux are vulnerable to this, needs

7:03

to just update because

7:05

everybody knows about this. For instance, Homebrew,

7:07

they're downgrading your implementation

7:10

of XZ to a four-year-old version

7:13

that doesn't have the backdoor code in it.

7:17

And most Linux distros will do this. So

7:19

the real point is do it. Now, if you're on

7:21

Windows, you probably don't have to worry about it. If

7:24

you're a Mac user and you don't use Homebrew, which

7:26

is used to install high-end command-line weirdnesses,

7:29

most users probably don't use Homebrew.

7:32

But I just want to put the word out. This

7:35

is a little scary. Because

7:37

yeah, this could be any of

7:39

these packages that I have installed,

7:41

right? And that's the problem. And

7:45

Steve's talked about this before. This is called

7:47

a supply chain attack, where you're not attacking

7:50

you directly. Excuse

7:53

me. You're attacking the source of

7:55

the libraries that legit

7:58

code uses. And the way

8:01

coding these days works, every

8:04

program you use uses third-party libraries,

8:06

a library of tools written by somebody

8:08

else, every program. There are so few

8:10

programs that don't. And

8:13

we just assume, well, these are safe. But

8:16

we have seen in the Python repositories,

8:20

many other repositories,

8:22

we've seen these exploits,

8:24

thousands of them now. But bad guys realize

8:26

the great way to get in and affect

8:28

a lot of people is to get into

8:30

the libraries, which are then bundled

8:32

in. People don't really look at the libraries. And

8:35

this is a problem, a very difficult one to

8:37

solve. Steve

8:39

will talk about it if you care about it. I

8:42

only mention this because I want

8:45

to make sure everybody, a

8:47

lot of people listening are highly technical people who

8:49

will probably already be aware of this. But if

8:51

you are a Mac user using Homeproof, like you

8:54

were, you might not have noticed that. Well,

8:56

that too, I know a lot of people who

9:00

maybe not even be super technical, at some

9:02

point in their life, they'll come across something that

9:05

they want to do. They'll go, they'll look up

9:07

how to do it. And they

9:09

may not know exactly what they're doing, but

9:11

they're following the steps. And maybe those steps

9:14

do include installing some sort of, maybe they

9:16

want to take DVDs that they own and

9:18

put them into a digital library. And maybe

9:20

the means by which they do that requires

9:22

some kind of code that might be compromised.

9:25

And this actually reminds me while you were

9:27

out. Or worse, use a library that's compromised,

9:29

even the code is legit. But

9:31

the library isn't. Almost

9:34

all Python programs use libraries

9:37

from PyPy, which has been

9:39

many times compromised. So this

9:41

is a real problem. It's something we have to be

9:43

aware of. Yeah, speaking of that, it did remind me

9:46

too, I wanted to bring it up on this show.

9:48

Steve Gibson talked about it while you were out. Another

9:51

place that we have to be paying

9:53

attention to are browser plugins. Oh, really

9:55

bad. There was a great story that

9:57

he talked about where this one... developer,

10:01

kept a running track

10:03

of all the times that they

10:06

were offered a bunch

10:08

of money to basically compromise their plug-in with

10:10

all of these. And this was just analytics.

10:12

This wasn't even going as far as to

10:14

inject code that was going to do something

10:16

nefarious, but to track the

10:19

users. And so they've kept from that

10:21

point on a running list of now

10:23

96 or more. I can't

10:25

even remember how many. It's dozens upon

10:28

dozens of times that different people

10:30

have reached out offering huge, vast

10:32

sums of money to inject code

10:34

into a plug-in that otherwise already

10:36

existed. So yeah, we've, what

10:39

is it? We're getting it from all sides. Yeah,

10:42

we sure are. I

10:44

don't know what the answer is. Now there's another virus going

10:46

around that I want to nip in the bud. Are you

10:49

ready? I'm ready. Now I

10:51

interviewed some years ago a professor

10:54

named Jonathan Hight,

10:56

H-A-I-D-T, about

10:59

his book at the time. I thought it was

11:01

quite good and he was quite interesting. He's written

11:03

a new book that

11:05

is getting a lot of attention that

11:08

shouldn't be. It's called The Anxious

11:10

Generation, How the Great

11:13

Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an

11:15

Epidemic of Mental Illness. This

11:17

is that trope that

11:20

Congress is buying into, that a lot of people

11:22

who should know better are buying into, that

11:25

the kids staring at their phones are

11:29

suffering from mental illness now, that we're raising

11:31

a generation that is going to be screwed

11:33

up forever. Now look,

11:36

that sounds reasonable, which is one of the

11:38

reasons this is spreading. Right, it does sound

11:41

reasonable. Those TikTok adult children, of course

11:43

it's terrible for you. I just

11:46

want to point out, and I'm reading this

11:48

from Nature, which is a well-respected science magazine,

11:50

and a guy who's an expert in

11:53

this field, who says

11:55

there is very little real evidence

11:57

that this is happening. And

12:01

he points out, rising hysteria about

12:03

screen time could prevent

12:06

us from tackling the real issues. So

12:09

there are many, many researchers

12:11

who are looking into this.

12:14

There was an analysis done in

12:16

72 countries which showed no consistent,

12:19

I'm reading from the Nature article, or

12:22

measurable associations between well-being and the

12:24

rollout of social media globally. recordings

12:28

from the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development Study, the

12:30

largest long-term study of adolescent brain development in

12:33

the US. No evidence

12:35

of drastic changes associated with

12:37

digital technology use. Heit

12:41

is a social psychologist at New York University

12:43

and very popular. He's one of those Just

12:45

So Story guys. People read

12:47

his stuff and go, oh, that makes sense.

12:49

It's true. Like Malcolm Gladwell

12:52

and the late Daniel Kahneman who just passed

12:54

away. But just because

12:56

something feels right and sounds true doesn't

12:58

mean it is. You've got to look at the science. You

13:00

have to examine it, yeah. And there is no,

13:03

I want to say this very clearly

13:05

because it goes, this is a problem that

13:07

goes counter to our gut instinct. There

13:10

is no science that shows a link. There

13:14

are other reasons why people have problems

13:16

and we should maybe address those, but

13:19

it ain't scrolling through TikTok. And that's

13:21

kind of the point here. If we

13:23

keep focusing on something that thus

13:26

far has not proven to be the case, we're

13:28

not digging in deeper and trying to find what

13:30

the root of it actually is. No one's denying

13:32

that we have a troubled

13:34

generation, suicide rates are up. That's

13:37

a fact. Chronic loneliness, that kind of

13:39

thing. Figuring out the cause is much more complicated.

13:41

And just because it feels right that, oh, they're

13:43

spending too much time on Insta does not

13:46

mean it's the case. And

13:49

of course there's the side effect

13:51

that we kind of ban big

13:53

technology. I'm not so much worried

13:55

about that. These are big companies. Big

13:58

deal, right? Right. But that's not the case. But

14:00

there are, there's a much more significant side effect

14:02

which is you'll ignore the real problems,

14:04

or not try to figure out what the real problems are because

14:07

we'll say, oh, I got it. It's like

14:09

when the homicide division says, I know

14:11

who killed the guy and put him and throw him

14:13

in jail just to solve the case without really looking

14:16

at the evidence. We don't know

14:18

what's causing this. There are other

14:20

reasons more likely. Part

14:22

of it is that people are talking more

14:24

openly about their mental wellness. Exactly. Yes. That

14:28

is one great example is you

14:31

are more likely to actually hear about something

14:33

that someone's going through than we ever have

14:35

because there's fortunately less

14:37

stigma than there

14:40

has been. Still a lot of stigma,

14:42

but less stigma. And then we just

14:44

have to understand too that we are

14:46

still on the cusp of

14:49

these generations that have truly grown

14:51

up from day dot with technology.

14:53

So this is a new field

14:56

that we're still researching, that we're still studying. Yeah,

14:58

and research should continue to see if there are

15:00

side effects. But so far, lots of

15:02

very, very good studies say,

15:05

no, there's no correlation at

15:07

all. One other thing

15:09

to point out, we don't have enough

15:11

school psychologists. We don't have enough treatment facilities.

15:13

There is on average in the United States

15:15

one school psychologist for every 1,119 students. That's

15:20

not enough. So you want

15:22

to address the issues. Work

15:24

on that end. Don't say, oh,

15:26

it's easy. We'll ban TikTok or

15:29

Insta or Facebook or

15:32

Snapchat or whatever it is. You know,

15:34

we'll ban smartphones. That

15:36

isn't going to solve it. In fact, it's going to make

15:38

it more difficult to figure out what's really going on. Recommend

15:41

the article, It's in Nature by

15:44

Candice Ogers, who studies this stuff.

15:47

The great we-wiring is social media

15:49

really behind an epidemic of teenage

15:51

mental illness? The answer is,

15:53

there's no evidence of that. Just

15:56

like, you know, people have thought, oh, my cell phone,

15:58

that's going to cause brain cancer. isn't it? Right.

16:00

But we've had these now for a long

16:02

time and no it doesn't. There's no incidence,

16:06

no rise in the incidence of brain cancer. All right

16:08

I want to show you something now this is more

16:10

useful than anything else. By the way Scott Wilkinson's

16:12

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twit.tv with text or your audio or

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video. So I use this to get

16:34

in as you do into work. Wow

16:37

yours has seen some day. Yeah

16:39

I keep it on

16:42

a little leather thong so that I can get back from the

16:44

bathroom because I have been locked out. It

16:46

has happened. I've resulted in doorbells. I just this week

16:48

I put something new on. There's a little QR code

16:50

on there. Go ahead get your phone out. I would

16:52

love to get my little. And my QR. See what

16:55

happens when I see this. Call

16:57

or a ping tag. We were talking the

16:59

other day about how useful QR codes turn

17:01

out to be compared to things

17:04

like NFC tags. Alright

17:07

I'm going to a website mypingtag.com.

17:09

Yep. And it says I'd like

17:11

to use your current location. I'm not going to do that

17:14

for now. But I imagine. I wish you

17:16

would. I should have done that. No

17:18

no you don't have to. I imagine that it would

17:20

probably say hey it's been but it says I am

17:22

lost. Did you find me? Thank you for doing the

17:24

right thing. Please contact Leo Laporte. Aha. At

17:27

an email. Well you can

17:29

also text me without getting my phone

17:31

number. You can contact me without knowing

17:33

my name or my email

17:35

or my phone number. And

17:37

I will get which is really cool. I

17:39

will get a text and if you did

17:41

approve location it would say yes somebody at

17:44

1351 B Redwood Way in Petaluma

17:48

California just scanned

17:50

your tag. This this

17:52

was created the company's ping

17:55

tag pingtag.com. It was created

17:57

by a guy named Amir.

17:59

He says My car

18:01

got towed, cost me 500 bucks because

18:04

I accidentally blocked somebody's driveway.

18:07

Had there been some way, you know, sometimes when you do

18:09

that, you put a note on the windshields, call me, I'll move

18:11

it. He said, I wish

18:13

there'd been some way. So he made these ping tags.

18:16

Now it's not cheap. You can get them

18:19

for free. It does require that

18:21

he continues to run the service, right? Which is kind

18:23

of, I guess,

18:26

iffy. It's one of the reasons I don't mind paying for it.

18:28

I paid 100 bucks for life. Oh,

18:30

lifetime purchase. Yeah. And

18:33

I got a bunch of tags and I can make

18:35

my own, which is kind of cool. Here's one for

18:37

the inside of my car windshield, which I have. Now

18:40

these tags are right now generic, right? So the

18:42

way you make them work is

18:44

you scan them with your phone, log into your

18:46

ping tag account and say, here's what I want

18:49

people to see. You can even

18:51

have it with a premium account, have them

18:53

see a video or a picture of you saying,

18:55

hi. I was going to say, yeah. That's my

18:57

phone. They

19:00

have luggage tags. I just ordered on

19:02

eBay, they have these luggage tags, but

19:04

I just ordered on eBay some

19:07

stainless steel luggage tags with it. Don't show this

19:09

too much because I don't want somebody to scan

19:11

it. It could end up getting your code. Yeah.

19:14

I'll learn it. Okay then,

19:16

you can show it. Because

19:18

I trust people watching life. So it's

19:21

really, I think, a very interesting idea.

19:23

It's not free. Well,

19:25

actually there is a free tier. What I

19:27

like is you can even make

19:30

your own. So for instance, you can make

19:32

a wallpaper for your

19:34

smartphone that has

19:36

the ping tag on it. And

19:39

then if somebody, if I lose my phone,

19:41

you see, you can scan my little ping

19:44

tag and it

19:47

will notify me somebody scanned it. If

19:49

you agreed a location, it will tell me where

19:51

that was. It says something

19:53

like, you know, you can have any message

19:55

you want, but the default message is, you

19:57

know, hey, be a guy. good

20:00

guy. Return this to me. I can write. I

20:02

can write to you. Oh good.

20:04

Yeah. I'll log into my ping tag

20:06

account. Oh I

20:08

was curious if it would forward to your phone.

20:11

That'd be kind of nice. I

20:13

can't you know. Nobody's done it yet so I

20:15

don't know. Let's find out. Let

20:17

me get in here. I should have walked in before.

20:20

Oh yeah it says to receive SMS notifications from

20:23

your tags please enter your number but VoIP numbers

20:25

such as Google Voice will not receive those messages.

20:27

Oh yeah. Hey Boo Boo take

20:29

a look at this picnic basket. It has your

20:31

phoben it. Hey Boo Boo. Is

20:34

that you Yogi? Yeah. Okay and

20:36

look at this. It also. It

20:38

also says new ping for Leo's

20:40

office tag. You can name this

20:43

right. Scan alert sent

20:45

from Santa Rosa so without your permissions

20:47

at least it knows roughly where you

20:49

are with my IP address and

20:52

I can reply to you anonymously. Okay

20:54

so I don't know who this is.

20:56

It's not your number. Thanks

21:00

Yogi. And

21:04

it will go to your text. So

21:07

without giving out any privacy

21:09

information. That's cool. So

21:11

I put this every day. I put it on my

21:13

cameras. I put it on my keys. I put it

21:16

on my car. I'm putting it everywhere. You could print

21:18

more. You can order more. I did order luggage tags.

21:21

Nice stainless steel ones although you know

21:23

the basic package you can get.

21:25

I think I can't remember

21:27

what it is. You should look at the website

21:29

ping tag dot com. It's kind

21:31

of a cool idea. This is a really cool idea. Isn't it?

21:34

It's a very cool idea. I think

21:37

Amir came up with something pretty clever. You get

21:39

if the basic package you get a bunch of stickers that

21:41

you can put on stuff. And I think I can on

21:44

the $99 package I can have up to $100 or

21:46

is it $50 maybe it's $1

21:49

on the website. $50 ping tag. Let me log in real

21:51

quick. I can show you. Yeah

21:54

this is very cool and I like the idea. You

21:56

could use it with your pets. Oh

21:59

yeah I forgot to mention in that. You can

22:01

even order from them or

22:03

third parties metal,

22:06

you know, instead of you know putting

22:08

a big honking air tag

22:10

hand around your doggy's neck and

22:12

you're never gonna have a cat. That's why I don't

22:14

do that. It's not safe. This way

22:16

you can put

22:19

a fairly unobtrusive scam

22:21

code. You can tattoo it

22:23

on their butt, whatever you want. Now

22:26

that's the only thing that in the long run

22:28

worries me a little bit about about ping tags

22:30

which is you know we're relying on their server.

22:33

It's not it is going through their site,

22:37

not ours. I

22:39

would love it if you would open source the

22:41

server. That would be nice if you could have

22:43

your own server. And I suppose it would

22:46

be conceivable as possible that

22:48

somebody could write something

22:51

like this and make

22:54

an open source version of it. I just think

22:56

it's a very clever idea. Ping

22:58

tag, actually it's mypingtag.com

23:02

and it's patent pending.

23:05

So if you're gonna make an open source version. Oh

23:08

I didn't think about medical alert. Medical alert and

23:11

you can get them printed with some text as

23:13

well so it can say different things on it.

23:15

The default ones say to contact the owner scan

23:17

this tag. Rob

23:19

Jay, I suppose but hopefully you

23:21

wouldn't do that. What did Rob Jay want

23:24

to do? Could you make a code to cause someone to

23:26

download a malicious file? Well okay so that's a good point.

23:29

There have been some concern about QR

23:31

codes. In fact

23:34

I've even heard people say maybe even Steve has

23:36

said don't scan random QR codes. They're everywhere now

23:38

though. Even if you go to

23:40

a parking meter these days you scan a QR code

23:42

to pay the parking meter in many cases. So

23:45

I think you

23:48

know when you scan it you're gonna see a

23:50

URL. Careful. I think

23:54

that the utility of these outweighs

23:56

the potential risk and

23:59

you should always consider like any link that's sent to

24:01

you that there is a risk exactly you should

24:04

be careful with that you're looking at the shop right

24:06

now there's there's a lot of different ways you can

24:09

you can encapsulate these QR codes they're meaningless

24:11

at first okay that's 20 I got

24:13

the $20 bundle there but I also

24:15

did the subscription so you get all

24:17

these things but I

24:20

ended up doing the larger membership

24:22

of premium membership because I want

24:24

this to succeed frankly I want

24:26

the server to stay online I

24:28

want them to continue to do

24:30

this they have company plans and

24:32

so forth so very cool

24:35

idea don't you think I love this I

24:37

think I sound an Insta so sometimes

24:39

the instance payoff sometimes

24:42

I forgot to wear my

24:44

seaweed sweater I got it I like it I will

24:46

wear it next week for you I actually

24:48

wanted to wear it a bunch and wash it a

24:51

bunch of times to see how it holds up yeah

24:53

it's very thin and light anyway instant

24:55

location scan alerts you can

24:57

customize your tag look this one's named

25:00

Leo this sport thank you Amir you

25:04

can initiate chat with finders I just I'm not doing

25:06

an ad for it I just think it's very interesting

25:09

it's expensive relatively expensive I

25:12

agree although people really don't I've

25:14

found anecdotally these days people really like the one-time

25:16

payment and they're willing to pay a little more

25:18

when it's not a subscription and remember in order

25:20

for this to work he's got to run this

25:22

server in the background and he wants you want

25:25

to keep this up if 20 years I guess

25:27

look I'll be happy 99 bucks if I

25:29

get five years yeah right then it'll be worth it so

25:32

Amir you got to do it for at least five years before

25:34

you give up I think he's

25:36

going to do all right I think he's going to do all

25:38

right so a very I think

25:40

a clever way to use and we were

25:42

talking a couple weeks ago about using it

25:44

in fact QR codes in fact we've set

25:47

up a QR codes for people visiting we're

25:49

going to have visitors in studio next week

25:51

first and I said put up a QR code so

25:53

they can join our Wi-Fi and now we've got that

25:56

there you just scan it press a button

25:58

and you're on the Wi-Fi which I think is

26:00

a great idea. QR codes

26:02

when I first saw them I thought this is

26:04

so bad, this is so ugly. You were seeing

26:06

them, I remember seeing them in London years ago

26:08

in the tube station on

26:11

the billboards. I thought that's never gonna catch

26:13

on. In Japan they're

26:15

everywhere and now they're everywhere

26:17

here and I do think there's some real

26:19

utility to QR codes. I

26:21

agree. Yeah. All

26:24

right, enough said. Let's take a

26:26

call or do an email

26:28

or do a voicemail. No, I have a call.

26:30

I'm gonna pick up on this call. John Ashley,

26:32

Mr. Producer, we should put a QR code on

26:35

him. Well, okay, you have

26:37

to QR code on my forehead so for those who

26:39

are visiting the studio next week. They'll know who you

26:41

are. Yeah, they can scan it. If you're a club

26:43

member, you have to be a club member. I

26:46

think there is still room next week, am

26:48

I right? No, we are actually full. We're

26:50

both dead. But, no, I believe the 21st,

26:52

we have one spot. Oh,

26:55

one seat. You know what, and Lisa said, look,

26:58

fill out the form if I can get you in, I will. We

27:01

have 14 chairs. You

27:04

might be sitting on the floor. We'll make

27:06

sure you're not sitting on the floor. All

27:09

right. Beanbag at least.

27:11

Call or hit star 6 to unmute

27:13

yourself. I want

27:15

that hand chair. That's what we need. Cool.

27:20

I want my chair to hang from the ceiling. Oh,

27:23

we have one of those at

27:25

home. I can hear me. Yeah,

27:27

what's your name? Please. Yes, who are you? Where are

27:29

you calling from? Quick. Dan,

27:33

I'm from Los Angeles. Hi, Dan. Welcome

27:35

to Ask the Tech Guys. What can

27:37

we do for you? I

27:42

have an iPhone, and I use the

27:44

Messages app to send

27:47

a message to maybe 20

27:49

different people. And

27:52

I don't want the individuals

27:54

to know I'm sending the same message

27:56

to each of them. Oh, you want

27:58

BCC for messages? Exactly.

28:02

I found that up until maybe a couple years

28:04

ago, I used to be able to do that

28:07

with no problem. At least

28:09

one of the people I

28:11

was sending a message to was an Android

28:14

user instead of a message

28:16

user. Yeah.

28:20

I don't remember Apple's messages. And

28:24

then about maybe six months to a

28:26

year ago, I discovered that, and

28:29

that stopped working a couple years ago. Then

28:31

maybe six months ago, I discovered that if

28:34

I went into the setting

28:36

for messages and turned off MMS

28:38

messaging and

28:41

then sent the message as

28:44

a BPC message, that

28:48

would work with no

28:50

problem. So

28:52

I was wondering if there's a way

28:54

to do this without having to turn

28:56

off MMS messages whenever I want to

28:58

do such a thing. Yeah. So this is

29:00

something that you can do using...

29:03

This is why Apple has instituted

29:05

the shortcuts app. Well,

29:07

part of the reason why on iOS. You

29:10

could do this with shortcuts? Yeah. You

29:12

are amazing. So when you

29:14

do this... So this... What I want to

29:16

say first and foremost is good on you

29:18

for figuring out multiple ways to make this

29:20

happen. They'll always see the sending

29:22

phone number. There's no way you cannot do that.

29:25

Yeah. They'll see who it's coming from. But to

29:27

have it go individually as opposed to creating a

29:29

group message, you are

29:31

going to choose to send a message. Oh,

29:34

I see. Yeah. So

29:36

you say... You tell shortcuts, send this one message to

29:38

all these people. And then you choose the contact. And

29:40

they only see... Because I think

29:42

for legal reasons, I would imagine, you

29:44

need to see both ends. Yeah.

29:48

Right? Yeah. It sounds like... Let me... You can say... You

29:50

don't want to see all the other peoples. Correct me if

29:52

I'm wrong, but it sounds like what you're trying to do

29:54

is send essentially

29:56

individual messages to 20 people

29:59

as opposed to having... just one

30:01

group message where everybody can see

30:03

everybody else. Correct. Correct.

30:07

I don't want each individual

30:09

to be able to see the

30:11

other individuals responses to the text.

30:14

Yeah. So this is able to be

30:16

done with series, well,

30:18

Apple's shortcuts app. It

30:21

is not something that I'm going to be

30:23

able to walk you through quickly over our

30:25

call but what I can promise you is

30:27

that I will create a

30:29

shortcut that we

30:32

will include in our show notes at

30:34

twit.tv slash ATG and what you'll be

30:36

able to do after the show is

30:38

head there, you tap on it, it

30:40

will pop up on your phone and

30:42

say would you like to install this? You

30:45

say yes and it'll pop up in

30:47

your shortcuts app on your phone. After

30:50

that essentially what you'll do is you

30:52

will write out your message and

30:54

then it will pop up and ask

30:56

you what contacts you want to send it

30:58

to. You select the contacts that you want

31:00

to send it to, you hit enter and

31:02

it will individually send that message to those

31:04

people. Doesn't matter if they're Android, doesn't matter

31:06

if they're iOS, doesn't matter at all who

31:08

or what it is but instead

31:10

is just a message that

31:12

is individually sent to those

31:15

people. ScooterX has sent us

31:17

a Apple

31:19

discussion that covers this

31:21

a little bit. Yeah, if you want to

31:23

do it, if you want to bypass everything

31:26

but it sounds like what you're saying is

31:28

you didn't want to take this method of

31:30

going into your settings and turning off all

31:32

that stuff but yes the sort of other

31:34

way to do this while

31:38

actually having to affect your settings is

31:40

to turn off iMessage and MMS in

31:42

your settings but it sounds like

31:44

as you've said you don't want to do that you'd like

31:46

to keep that stuff going and

31:49

so in that case a shortcuts the way

31:51

to go about it and I'll make sure

31:53

you've got one. So that's interesting so I

31:55

guess SM this is a feature then of

31:57

SMS. Right because by default you can't... You

32:00

have to have MMS for it to be a group

32:02

message. SMS doesn't do group messages. So

32:04

if you have all that turned off, you have to send it as

32:06

SMS. It's going to interpret it as, I

32:09

want to send a message to these 20 different people.

32:11

I can't make a group message and send it all

32:13

at once. So I'm going to send it to them

32:15

all individually. So in effect,

32:18

that's the same thing. Wait, if you can include... Go

32:21

ahead. Sorry. If you can

32:23

include in your shortcut, the

32:25

way I initiate sending this

32:27

so-called group message, to

32:30

individuals, is I go to the

32:32

contact app and I select a

32:34

list, one of the lists. And

32:38

I long press the list and it gives

32:40

me the option to message everybody in the

32:42

list. Individually. Yeah.

32:45

That's why I show it. Well, but

32:48

then it fills out a... It

32:51

puts that list on a message. Oh, yes.

32:53

And then, like I said, the only way,

32:55

and then the only way for me to

32:57

make sure that each of the recipients doesn't

32:59

see the other responses is before

33:02

I send a message, I've got to turn

33:04

off any messages. Okay.

33:06

Yeah. We can work

33:09

that into the shortcut as well. So

33:12

the... I tried to

33:14

make my own shortcut, but it totally...

33:16

It is complicated. The

33:19

Apple community message says

33:24

turn off group messaging, turn

33:27

it off, which is kind of counterintuitive,

33:29

and turn off iMessage, not

33:32

MMS, but iMessage. That

33:35

way you're going to send

33:37

via SMS what is

33:39

sort of an SMS group message. The difference is

33:41

people can't respond to it and see the whole

33:43

group. It'll only come back to you. So

33:46

it's in effect sending SMSs to

33:48

everybody. But you have to

33:50

turn off iMessage and turn off group messaging.

33:53

Yeah. Which is what you said you did not want

33:55

to do. So... Yeah. I

33:58

mean the shortcut could probably... You

34:00

can actually probably write a shortcut that

34:03

did that temporarily. It will, it'll pop

34:05

up, it can at the very least

34:07

pop up settings to have you toggle it off. Unfortunately it

34:09

doesn't have built-in handles for that. That would be nice. That

34:12

would be nice. That's what I'd like to see come to,

34:15

as an aside, Apple listeners, I would love

34:17

to see toggles for all of the settings

34:19

come to shortcuts. Yeah. There's

34:22

probably reason for that. Thank you very much. Hey

34:24

Dan, thank you. It's great to have you as a listener. We

34:26

appreciate it. Take care. All

34:30

right. Now what, Mr. John Ashley, producer man.

34:33

You know, I think we

34:36

should probably do a quick little break. Oh yeah.

34:39

I forgot about breaks. Breaks? Oh,

34:41

those. Yeah. Let's do a quick

34:43

little break. And

34:45

then of course Scott Wilkins is coming up, but I

34:47

think we'll have time to do a little bit more.

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have four minutes left what

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should I do John I don't pick up another phone call yeah let's

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38:25

something on my end then I can hit

38:27

button over here phone

38:40

caller hit star six star six don't mute

38:42

yourself and tell us your name and where

38:44

you're calling from hey Leo

38:48

hey Mike I got Jamie out of

38:50

hurricane country I mean Tampa Florida there

38:52

you go he's in the corner friend

38:54

what's up Jamie hey Jamie welcome back

38:59

thank you guys it's a pleasure thing guys

39:01

for taking my call so I

39:03

am addicting all of my

39:05

paid streaming services all of them

39:08

but I'm keeping all of

39:11

them every last one of them I'm

39:13

tired of raising prices I'm tired of the

39:15

upper-greens back down to see this happen once

39:17

a month I'm just

39:19

over it and I'm replacing everything

39:22

with my beautiful

39:24

tweed antenna that Leo is still sitting up

39:26

here by the way it

39:28

works my beautiful my tweed yes

39:31

my lonely sweet antenna and I'm

39:33

also gonna be using a lot of

39:35

fast services for

39:38

this I'm not so in other words I'm

39:40

gonna be getting one percent free TV but

39:42

the question that I had is if I

39:46

keep hearing from YouTube or

39:48

YouTube that's probably what

39:50

the first mistake I could have made

39:53

oh linear TV been to linear

39:55

TV been to Klein and linear

39:57

TV is dying and people are

40:00

Marquis de de Merde want to pay for

40:02

ten million really good than of the mind

40:04

of a bill every month. Now

40:06

I gotta tell me either again as you

40:09

and is a murder. Girl.

40:12

On Is there like a Verizon Wireless

40:14

or where are you doing that moment

40:16

when it is dying? But is that

40:18

the truth is that just each of

40:20

which is simply by I don't know

40:22

what it anymore. Maybe long term. May.

40:25

And fifty years won't have broadcast television

40:27

sweaty saying. By the way, Linear Tv.

40:31

Some really weird. It

40:33

took me awhile understand what that is

40:35

is a real description of essentially a

40:38

five hour broadcast television. That's really what

40:40

was said. your time a broadcast television.

40:44

The. Blind being nowadays, we don't have

40:46

to watch anything in linearly in sequence.

40:48

Ago I went every one of the

40:50

time we once. ah, It's

40:53

funny though when I was when we're in

40:55

New Mexico and all we have was a

40:57

tv cause I wish and more hotels need

40:59

to do this. They have comcast or some

41:02

sort of way to do my computer on

41:04

the screen or but we couldn't. So.

41:06

What they had H B O but

41:08

the promise as linear H B O

41:10

right now what? out of resign as

41:12

as as you can ever sours really

41:14

By the beginning memory those days always

41:16

you him in it's like lemmings. like

41:18

a half way through a some Sylvester

41:20

Stallone and or because I've seen a

41:22

mall and we knew it. We know

41:24

that was gonna but it is all

41:26

frustrates a little. Linear is the is

41:29

basically broadcast though even though the old

41:31

cable t my many ways linear T

41:33

V's what. Ah. It's not

41:35

gone away. It's not as ideal.

41:38

And. I seek a content

41:40

creators. Are very much

41:42

more interested in getting a million dollars

41:44

to make something for Netflix. And they

41:47

are now going through the whole process

41:49

of getting a Tv show pushed through

41:51

the networks. You know, Rimmer, the whole

41:53

greenlight saying. And remember the used to

41:56

be in the Fall the news shows

41:58

would emerge. Remember that? Yeah, They never

42:00

have. I really want to know it's gonna

42:02

be my mother. The car sounds good. I

42:05

gotta watch that. so those that that's all

42:07

kind of blown by the wayside. I

42:10

since that content creators and the

42:12

networks will persist as long as

42:14

there are people and there are

42:16

still plenty of them. In.

42:18

This country who don't. Want.

42:21

To pay for internet television and

42:23

pay for like you. To.

42:25

Of don't want to pay for over

42:27

the time television I am. I mean

42:29

Ruth made me realize it at let

42:31

let the to the my pain for

42:33

thirty different bill. And on

42:35

doesn't take one big deal your tail

42:37

and played together my two little put

42:39

your money doesn't towers. you can use

42:42

an antenna so you don't even say

42:44

anything much to get the antenna set

42:46

up. you get the broadcast networks and

42:48

Eighty seven. Me: I'd I did eighty

42:50

seven season. There's no question that there's

42:52

no question that they are under assault

42:54

right? I mean one of the reasons

42:56

A T S Three Point O came

42:58

out which is the new. Broadcast.

43:01

Standard is so they can have

43:03

some innocent involved were data that

43:05

yeah, stupid, some form of interactivity.

43:08

Ah, because are trying to compete

43:10

with the internet so they can

43:12

have forte so you're multiple channels. It's

43:14

really you know, a lifeline to

43:16

broadcasters. I. Don't have

43:18

enough radios. Been dying for

43:20

several decades. now that dead.

43:23

And as bad Dead yet. But. The

43:25

What I see people going to Miami hundred Ryo as

43:27

them. Ah, honestly

43:29

I am I in my humble opinion

43:31

as the regular them myself. It's not

43:34

that it's it's moving away from the

43:36

traditional Ricky read that we've had two

43:38

years now. The season to go anywhere

43:40

the you go. On their own

43:42

app on your phone in what we all

43:45

are your. As streaming

43:47

and podcasts are just more convenient. For.

43:49

Listeners radio is a little different ends

43:52

of the car. Radios.

43:54

A little differences as as lives component,

43:56

right? So. If there's

43:59

an earthquake or hurt. The Tornado. You want

44:01

to listen to the radio because it's now

44:03

yes, which podcast can't be powered know thou

44:05

or your own? It goes down dame you're

44:07

going to be up the creek without a

44:09

paddle that point. Because I've lately I've lived

44:11

to hurricane. And the first

44:14

thing that came to know. Is.

44:16

The power in that department you

44:18

the Pentagon. And because

44:20

we got snow organized and I'm just

44:23

gonna say i don't think it's dying

44:25

ah I think it's gonna continue. But.

44:28

It's not gonna be servicing. Us

44:31

and what's happened. A Radio Is

44:33

has become kind of the back

44:35

alley of of content and I

44:37

think broadcast television will sort of

44:40

be that way to. but I

44:42

guess silly and Lisa watches the

44:44

voice an American Idol There are

44:46

still they are able in a

44:49

T. What Sports? Yeah, very important.

44:51

Big Oscars Very important. That new

44:53

Superbowl had a huge audience. Biggest

44:55

audience ever. Ah, So

44:57

I think scissors going to be stuff that

44:59

you will want a specific thing with radio

45:01

the you want that's live in real time

45:04

yes Abs and streaming and podcasts and over

45:06

the top can't provide. On the other hand

45:08

if you want to watch a great movie

45:10

or a great tv show you know their

45:12

as. I think it must have been because

45:14

there was a logjam. Due

45:16

to those strides. But.

45:19

All of a sudden. To.

45:21

Solve These shows that I want to

45:23

watch. I can't There's just too much.

45:25

So much. There's so much. Can we

45:28

say? Peak Tv was over known I

45:30

was sleeping so. If you're to

45:32

I mean honestly your content creators you're gonna go

45:34

to Netflix or Apple Tv or Max or someone

45:37

and say give me money and I will make

45:39

a tv show for it's and some of the

45:41

best writing. The best stuff is happening now Over

45:43

the top that's. That's. What happens?

45:45

Say you know some ally right now

45:48

with as our home seat geek. Perfect

45:50

timing was Scott Wilkinson joining us. From.

45:53

Forever Weird Santa Cruz, California

45:55

and. Out

45:57

of Scott deep Santa Cruz weird

45:59

man he vows of home theater

46:02

geeks which everybody get here now

46:04

by away Lisa Tommy and I'm

46:07

really pleased. That. Your show!

46:09

Iowa's today! Hands on Macintosh Hands

46:11

on windows. As soon as we

46:13

made them it available audio only

46:15

Outside the pay wall had huge.

46:18

Subscriber: Counts people have said

46:20

oh I can listen to this

46:22

again So. Keep. Up the

46:24

good work for members that man. Remember that

46:26

you know our club members get video. But.

46:29

There's a big audience out there is getting

46:31

audio and by the love hands on. Mcintosh

46:33

said that one. Took off like

46:35

crazy was on seat geek. same thing

46:38

Scott covers a easy for us not

46:40

only weakly on his computer geek. Shove

46:42

a monthly here on as the deck.

46:44

Isis big screen Tvs surrounds us. The

46:46

have to give you credit. Oh

46:49

yeah, you talked me into by an.

46:51

A. Ridiculously expensive Panasonic You

46:53

Hd Dvd player. Ah you

46:56

Hd Blu ray on her

46:58

to connect it to my

47:01

Dolby Vision capable Lg. Oh

47:03

led. Up to

47:05

by June one. And.

47:08

Oppenheimer One. because I want to. I wanted to

47:10

give you. I wanted a Given the tests. Be

47:12

up there. Is no up. I were to

47:15

Professor Fernando Oppenheimer's As. Many

47:17

as as as a Oppenheimer

47:19

the sequel ah but. But.

47:24

I have to act as I want Is

47:26

that because you said and I figure you know

47:28

made sense? Definitely streaming will never be as good

47:30

as having had a disc or videos compressed.

47:32

It's a question how much compression ever have

47:34

to say. Doomed. Was.

47:37

Mind blowing. Oh yeah,

47:39

compared to the streaming and I had forte

47:41

streaming on Apple Tv, a good quality? yeah,

47:43

but there's nothing that beats at you. A

47:45

Dirty Been rocked the same. If

47:48

if you're if you want ultimate quality

47:50

that that physical disc is, where is

47:52

that man? So want to give you

47:54

props? Spent a ridiculous amount of money

47:56

for a Dvd player. Anything.

48:00

D V D player in the new Hd blu

48:02

ray player South Africa have. well I buy anything

48:04

I realize that is I am that some people

48:06

are. maybe you are. I don't know the type

48:08

that watches a movie over and over again or.

48:11

Use as see a movie that yeah don't want

48:13

anything and so that for that around. On to

48:15

this the I have a few that I will

48:17

reward but. As you are

48:19

faring. But rewards like once? Yeah. I.

48:22

Have discs? I mean I have a Wizard of

48:24

Oz I'm not going to was said over and

48:26

over again. I have been

48:29

tired James Bond up to the.

48:31

Craig. It the sixtieth anniversary

48:34

edition. Ah season! But. Not

48:36

the movies. Maybe. Once

48:38

more, I'll watch now that it's not

48:40

as you can see them in this

48:42

luxurious. Form. Or. Jewelry

48:44

Watcher Scott. I. Am yeah

48:47

I agree are already watch a good

48:49

movie. I just three watched Spinal Tap.

48:51

Ah yeah, we wanted to correct movie

48:53

as one of my favorite, but we

48:56

were just talking about how much good

48:58

new content there is necessary. Don't really

49:00

need to go back in time every

49:02

once in one. That's true. That's true.

49:04

And and there's so much good content

49:06

and you're right about that. Ah, that

49:08

do we have time to to consume

49:10

it all in the limited time we

49:12

have on this planet. Peter.

49:15

I am a reader but not

49:17

typically or he will see that's

49:19

that's a That is an interesting

49:21

point. Very. Interesting points: You

49:23

know people reread Stoic say I'm rereading.

49:26

People listen to music more than one.

49:28

that's super. Music is different. Write music

49:30

is better when you keep listening to

49:33

it over and over. A warehouse

49:35

that's when I get from really. Is

49:37

yeah. I suppose it depends on how

49:39

you. How you interpret and

49:42

take in a movie right? If

49:44

you're if it's about linked ingesting

49:47

the plot. Then perhaps

49:49

it is not necessary to re watch

49:51

because once you know the plot in

49:53

of the plot. But. If you

49:55

for example, re watching there a

49:58

handful documentaries that I really. A

50:00

lot more made by the

50:02

same director and producers. Helvetica,

50:04

ah secretary my ride and

50:06

there's one for city planning

50:08

To the name always escapes

50:10

mates and oh sorry watch

50:12

over and over again because

50:14

they're little tidbits of it's

50:16

about get like employer that

50:18

that in orange sing But

50:20

yeah out for most movies.

50:23

Once. I get it. I've got it.

50:26

Ah, the desert. Then there are

50:28

the movies that are so complex

50:30

or deep that you you can

50:32

watch them over and over and

50:34

get other stuff from this as

50:36

the twenty fifth anniversary of The

50:38

Matrix this week's salary while each

50:40

and worth watching one more time.

50:43

Ah but that when I would like i is

50:46

that a good you H D disk and my

50:48

be A when they get I believe so yes

50:50

yes I recall this not to be I was

50:52

thinking of in that when and. Met the movie

50:54

I was thinking of in that regard was

50:56

Christopher Nolan stem and will you have to

50:59

once had twelve times even understand what the

51:01

hands on when I play. As

51:04

a selection is true of a lot of his

51:06

movies. Yeah. Yeah yeahs it considers

51:08

in L apps and other crazy to lots.

51:10

You know I would own Interstellar. I. Would

51:13

never watch it again which is to

51:15

honor at it I would buy ah

51:17

the a lot of his I look

51:19

fabulous as it looks and sounds fabulous

51:21

may have to Hd blu ray. Saying.

51:24

I need more discs to watch on

51:26

it. Not that I'm ever gonna watch

51:28

him because now there's the gentlemen. I

51:30

want to see that there's with the

51:32

regime. I want to see that there's

51:35

so much good Tv going on. right

51:37

now I buy Shogun. I'm so excited

51:39

about I started reading Body Problem is

51:41

Amazing! How am I started three Body

51:44

Problem? I have yet but. I

51:46

plan on it if you okay. the book was

51:48

better I think. This.

51:50

Is what I keep hearing is is good. I

51:52

think I've only seen the first couple. It's

51:55

it's intriguing. I think it's better for you if

51:57

you're not a fan of the book to be

51:59

answer he I thought you said like the book

52:01

the but I don't use die yeah translation yeah

52:04

run off the bad translation but it's a little

52:06

it's it's transition the Chinese as a little nub.

52:09

Feals. Director and right yeah, feels like

52:11

doesn't feel like elegant prose and that

52:13

he gets promise. And I've heard that

52:15

The Mood that the Tv series adapted.

52:18

Some. Things are faithful some really not gonna

52:20

ask you have to for Tv. I like

52:22

that a lot of people really hate that

52:24

I've I'd like that biggest of us yeah

52:26

was great. I have the either to have

52:29

a little things in the game and made

52:31

it of more episodes that was amazing Yes

52:33

sometimes and that does. That is

52:35

kind of this especially for those of us

52:37

who have trouble re watching stuff. I needed

52:39

to be a lot of new so that

52:42

I am interested in what's going on. June

52:44

in another one is pretty faithful with the

52:46

novel which is interest another one of the

52:49

I thought a bit that went with a

52:51

way outside the the book was foundation. Yeah.

52:54

Couldn't finish that one. This. Really? Oh,

52:57

I'm like in it I can off. I

52:59

read the books and I loved the book

53:01

suboxone age well by the way I tried

53:03

to reread I'm. On a

53:05

release their are or thought that over

53:07

science fiction. As an age. Oh

53:09

wow. well. As well, while the

53:12

moot the the Tv series diverges

53:14

from the books tremendously are so

53:16

I just decided to accept it

53:18

as what it is, right? Not.

53:21

A faithful representation of the book

53:23

right? What

53:25

is going on in the world of

53:28

home see? Well I wanted to share

53:30

with you my latest home see I

53:32

of the month. I love these! There's

53:34

so much on Abs for a my

53:37

duties once a month. And.

53:41

This latest one I

53:43

think is is beautiful.

53:45

It's understated, It's.

53:47

Very simple. The.

53:50

The walls are every was built

53:53

into an existing room and wasn't

53:55

purpose built. But

53:58

the installer. Man and

54:01

basically installed these false fabric

54:03

walls that hide all the

54:05

speakers. You don't see a

54:08

single speaker. In.

54:10

The room and what you see

54:12

instead is very, very simple. Smooth.

54:16

So the I speakers and then the

54:18

hood fabric over the top. They do.

54:20

They'll move loser the front speakers and

54:22

they put the screen in front of

54:24

a in front of that. The screen

54:26

doesn't block the sound designer for old

54:29

like it isn't the it is, it's

54:31

it's called acoustically transparent and there's two

54:33

ways to do that. One is by.

54:35

What's. Called Perforating This the solid

54:38

material it's in upon theaters called

54:40

Micro Perth is a very tiny

54:42

but in this case and I

54:45

think and in the best cases

54:47

that fabric is actually woven. And

54:51

by weaving of fabric you get

54:53

natural look at clean as tiny

54:56

gaps between the threads and the

54:58

sound comes through that just fine.

55:01

Really? It's not muffled. Not

55:04

No. Absolutely.

55:06

Not. Arms

55:09

this is a higher higher say it

55:11

looks. Like.

55:13

A rubber room. Know he looks very. Very

55:17

plain as a little bullied by the

55:19

looks. Very clean. It's it's. It's.

55:21

For a while. but you want the

55:23

room to disappear? Yeah, yeah. Honestly, I'd

55:25

prefer to see the speakers. I just

55:27

really makes me feel like I'm not

55:29

hearing I take down the guy that

55:31

takes the. Cover. Off

55:34

speakers. You. Know how I like I

55:36

was be as have any money or ivy for

55:38

my he likes I take the grill off I

55:40

want it's I want the speaker have a direct

55:42

drive into my ear. Him while

55:44

the speaks. The grill, by the

55:47

way, is also acoustically transparent. Yeah,

55:49

I know it. I mean if

55:51

you if you didn't test of that say even

55:53

a while though that you had somebody here put

55:55

this, put the grill on for their real off

55:57

and say can you hear the difference you would

55:59

say know why they make the detachable for people

56:01

like me probably her have are people like you

56:03

here because you'd never I, we'd never be able.

56:05

The icing. Proved. To some

56:07

people are areas and as license you do

56:10

want to protect. The cones are very fragile.

56:12

And. All as as is also true

56:14

of Pass right? So yes offer clues

56:17

Buses Guy this the owner of this

56:19

home theater. Was. Very

56:21

clear about his desire to

56:23

not see anything the or

56:25

even others airstrip or thirty

56:28

percent grey. City.

56:30

but where? Yeah, they're a little wider than

56:32

I would. It's kind of I would array

56:34

of room. To be honest with you, it

56:36

looks like a torture chamber. Frankly, it does

56:38

not. Out of there are no chains on

56:40

the walls. I. Is is like

56:43

the kind of place the Hr brings

56:45

you when they want to ask you

56:47

about your i never my ah size

56:49

of a look at the rak messy

56:52

this is see I'm but ametek I

56:54

like seeing the wires, the racks the

56:56

speakers. I want to see the got

56:58

a mechanic I would buy a transparent

57:00

phone if they made right bomber I

57:02

see the anything I'd see the circuitry.

57:06

And I do see some speakers are visible. It's

57:08

like this. The front surrounds are visible. Which.

57:10

Is in Toronto. Noel? that's that's is

57:12

in an intermediate stage. Oh meet me

57:15

in that last picture. Put up that

57:17

last picture on screen. Hear her? As

57:20

seem to see the rounds. they're. He

57:22

and maybe maybe you do okay

57:24

of even he. Didn't. Want

57:26

to go crazy? What kind of projector to ease? Ah,

57:30

I believe it's a J B C. O

57:32

I noticed by the way he's using

57:34

a Playstation Five in the next spots

57:36

for his you H D discs. Yeah

57:39

in a things nine I would. I

57:41

would recommend know right? I'll get okay

57:43

I don't recommend I however in a

57:45

sonic it's very from it isn't it

57:47

nice in that a nice player I've

57:49

I love that player and I and

57:51

what projector looks like a nice protect

57:54

that's A it's A J B C

57:56

is now Maurice Twenty One part of

57:58

one of these is. Yeah,

58:00

general often it is. in this

58:02

case not. It's the Collide Escape

58:04

a movie server. He's

58:07

got twenty two terabyte subs. torpid.

58:09

Still know Leo about a racer

58:11

versus the rewards are clearly clearly

58:13

early or of our orders. I

58:16

think often it's really hoarders that

58:18

people collect these because they want

58:20

him. But. But if

58:22

somebody comes over my castle, the boys

58:24

wanted to see Blank Emilio. It's in

58:27

your kaleidoscope moon. I have mall. That's

58:29

right. You have a mall. He

58:32

also the see more screen excellence and

58:34

lighter neo. With. Auto masking

58:36

woven acoustically transparent. So.

58:39

They're Yep! That's. Discuss the

58:41

screen. it's a wonderful Greek. Interesting

58:43

Josie be a speakers as well

58:45

And twelve and this is Jbl

58:48

is very high and mine Jbl

58:50

synthesis line yeah. Those

58:53

are you your feeders bow speakers?

58:55

I think? Yes, Exactly exactly. They're

58:57

really, really good. Ugly Grading are

58:59

watching The Karate Kid fortieth Anniversary

59:02

this. Ssssss by

59:04

somebody. Great for watching anything anything

59:06

else. Interestingly sec those seats that

59:08

he got. They have motorized headdress

59:11

to. the headdress can come up

59:13

and you can rest your head

59:15

but they can also come down.

59:18

And if your own super home

59:20

theater geek like I am, fear

59:22

of not having a headrest means

59:25

that your perception of the surround.

59:27

ah. Is. Better your

59:29

head is free floating. Exactly.

59:32

And you can hear the stuff's the sound coming

59:34

from. Beside. You and particularly

59:37

behind you or reaches your ears without

59:39

having to began wrapped around a head

59:41

again all these free floating heads makes

59:43

his a night route nightmare room is

59:46

this assessment is and and home hundred

59:48

I got over in that kind as

59:50

I've been. It's very nice, cozy, Home.

59:53

theater do you think that than

59:55

those cases they were giving up

59:57

some yeah they want to comfort

59:59

yeah You know and convenience and they

1:00:01

had little blankets you could put on you know well

1:00:03

places for you to pop in the bathroom What

1:00:07

oh and a cat and I might

1:00:10

add Academy Awards lining the cupboards on

1:00:13

the way in we're dialing in on who?

1:00:15

This might be high-end home Seriously

1:00:17

high Well,

1:00:20

I don't know if those Academy Awards are acoustically

1:00:22

transparent. Oh, they were outside. They were in a

1:00:24

nice cabinet Okay, good. I go in I walk

1:00:26

out of the theater. Yeah It's

1:00:29

a beautiful theater is very comfy very nice

1:00:33

Well I try to I try to feature different

1:00:36

you know different different styles and different no no

1:00:38

I'm not knocking You know look at this is

1:00:40

it definitely deserves the home theater of the month

1:00:43

Avs forum comm if you want to see

1:00:45

Scott's article I'm oh I'm always

1:00:47

interested in what people have done for

1:00:49

instance that idea that the headrests retract

1:00:51

for people like you Who want

1:00:53

free floating heads and and go up for people

1:00:55

like me who just want to rest Heavyhead

1:01:00

yeah Very

1:01:03

nice very nice

1:01:06

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1:01:09

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on the front page there the

1:01:13

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they make fantastic preamp

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1:01:38

sometimes you know the theater that I feature happens

1:01:40

to have it and that's great But

1:01:43

to their credit they don't require it and so

1:01:47

I think I think of the way you treat the speakers is

1:01:49

very interesting really Really

1:01:51

locked him. Yeah, and this is in

1:01:54

an existing room, too I Mean

1:01:56

that he built the house that he and his wife had

1:01:58

this house built and so it's a. New build

1:02:00

right? but they just used one of

1:02:02

the rooms that was him. Yes, I

1:02:05

am of the house right? It.

1:02:07

Looks like it's like sixteen by assisting

1:02:09

the sunlight. That's a bedroom now a.

1:02:12

Nice. Scott Wilkinson.

1:02:14

You can hear a lot more of

1:02:16

this kind of fascinating theatrical talk d

1:02:18

series on the home Feeder Geek Curry

1:02:21

show. Subscriber were

1:02:23

busy. Podcast is but for home theater

1:02:25

geeks and course club members can see

1:02:27

the video. Scott in his lovely. Abode.

1:02:31

Scott. Always a pleasure and say is

1:02:33

thank you. I will tell

1:02:35

you this our next week we will

1:02:38

be in Mexico to observe the Total

1:02:40

Solar Eclipse. You going for it? April

1:02:42

Aids. Related are going to be

1:02:44

indoor on Go! Oh how exciting! I'm

1:02:46

getting my car detail on April eighth. Wonder

1:02:49

of has been one of the we were sitting.

1:02:53

Here going all the way to Durango were there

1:02:55

will be very little goofiness. Read

1:02:57

this why we did it That we

1:02:59

we decided we have. We learned that

1:03:02

the further south you go the greater

1:03:04

chance of clear skies rights. The.

1:03:06

Eclipse is gonna be all across the U

1:03:08

S. is gonna go up from Mexico through

1:03:10

Texas through the Mid West. And

1:03:13

the further north you go the greater chance there

1:03:15

is of overcast sky. and we i said okay

1:03:17

if we're going to do this. We're

1:03:19

going to do it right. We're going to

1:03:21

go where there's the lowest possibility of. Of.

1:03:24

Overcast, more than a high were at

1:03:26

an elevation of sixty two hundred feet

1:03:28

in the desert kind of environment. So miles,

1:03:30

five days, Eight hours, Thirty eight minutes,

1:03:32

and thirty seconds. To. Go to

1:03:35

to to Totality and I hope

1:03:37

you bring your Bill Nye the

1:03:39

science guy. Eclipse glasses are absolutely

1:03:41

absolutely apps know subs exactly Now

1:03:43

there are so many fake ones

1:03:45

there and they could could cause

1:03:47

permanently him and he'd realize you're

1:03:49

you're yeah I don't do it.

1:03:51

I feel so much for the

1:03:53

people who experience to these eclipses

1:03:55

before we knew what eclipses were

1:03:57

and why the happen and can

1:04:00

you imagine how terrifying that must

1:04:02

have been? So sorry I'm worried

1:04:04

as a guy. Was

1:04:06

eating it right? Oh man.

1:04:09

just that must have been

1:04:11

so frightening. Mean. honestly? The.

1:04:13

Whole place is frightening to them. Net

1:04:16

service, Everybody Really going on. Every everything

1:04:18

in our world was over. I moral

1:04:20

values are really good. Point: yeah. It

1:04:23

was just one more thing man,

1:04:25

a little by a lot of

1:04:27

terrifying about success. I'm a dancer

1:04:30

feel my Eclipse glasses at Eclipse

1:04:32

glasses.com. They. Are up to benefit

1:04:34

the Planetary Society. There. Are other

1:04:36

eclipse glasses? Be very careful though, last

1:04:39

time. Amazon had a lot of them

1:04:41

that we're not sufficient and people would. Hurt.

1:04:43

Their I said even could live there I

1:04:45

said said don't answer around. But

1:04:47

don't miss or even if you're not into town and

1:04:49

we're not going into town here but we'll see we'll

1:04:52

be some darkening. So. Be something,

1:04:54

but be certainly inactive for sure. Be sure

1:04:56

to wear glasses. Iq

1:04:58

on think oh you know all those

1:05:01

cover they can have an yeah tallies

1:05:03

the biggest risk as it seems like

1:05:05

it's dark. And I guess

1:05:07

I guess it's safe when it's when it's

1:05:09

top. One time to tout is fully their

1:05:11

I am I believe it's safe. We're going

1:05:14

with a group that's going to have an

1:05:16

astronomer with a so will own eyes and

1:05:18

oh how fun for you. Will.

1:05:20

Enjoy Durango! Thank.

1:05:22

You Bill Bill on my Sybil My

1:05:25

Bill Nye will not be there but

1:05:27

some of my own somebody will and

1:05:29

the he'll be made sure that you

1:05:31

are protected. My like hearing the up

1:05:34

have a great time scan s and

1:05:36

you active tiger See you next My

1:05:38

got Wilkinson everybody my both eclipses April

1:05:40

eight. And.

1:05:43

I guess. Ah, it's a

1:05:45

Monday, right? To. Week from

1:05:48

Tomorrow. Tomorrow's Tomorrow is

1:05:50

April Fool's Day. April

1:05:52

Fool's Day. Member.

1:05:54

The tech companies who says you all those

1:05:56

see how many big pran? I'm so glad

1:05:58

they stopped. They did. Because especially as

1:06:00

a check journalist who was the worst year

1:06:02

the year, what was real and what was

1:06:05

that? You would go and look at these

1:06:07

articles ago as is that really us and

1:06:09

then happened twenty years ago. April

1:06:11

first. Two. Thousand for.

1:06:14

google. Announced. See.

1:06:16

Mail. And we all

1:06:18

thought a very real saying that we saw

1:06:20

that third job a right because they were

1:06:22

famous. For. Their April Fools

1:06:25

and putting a lot of resources in

1:06:27

Moria. Their April Fun Toilet Internet things

1:06:29

like that. ah but no G mail

1:06:31

or launched on this day in the.

1:06:35

Kind of a neat. Neat. Story in the

1:06:37

twenty years ago and the the reason I

1:06:39

was kind of mind boggling is because they

1:06:41

offered at the to for the time. It's

1:06:43

a huge amount of. Storage.

1:06:46

For your email they said it's never

1:06:48

delete. Your. Email. Are.

1:06:50

You curious? do you remember

1:06:52

your of. The I

1:06:55

actually don't remember the the launch of

1:06:57

emails and will say oh my god

1:06:59

I remember it because people were selling

1:07:02

their invites on E Bay allow There

1:07:04

was such a big deal I got

1:07:06

in there I think pretty quickly. And

1:07:10

I have a G Milka. I saw average

1:07:12

email account for years. we as you mail

1:07:14

it at work we have workspace. Was there

1:07:16

awareness as a time of how do you

1:07:18

was funding itself or was it all just

1:07:20

so. So much excitement that everything was free

1:07:22

at the time. Here. Is the

1:07:25

press release Google News From Google

1:07:27

April First Two thousand and Four.

1:07:30

google. Gets the message launches

1:07:32

G mail User complain about

1:07:35

existing services weeds Google to

1:07:37

create search space. Webmail.

1:07:41

Ah heck yeah. Say Google

1:07:44

Sounders. Ah, So

1:07:48

it would search was the big thing

1:07:50

in the idea was never throughout your

1:07:52

email because you're gonna get a whopping

1:07:54

one gigabyte every storage. And

1:07:56

so you should be able to keep

1:07:58

every message you get. I don't know

1:08:00

the would hold twenty years messages. Nobody

1:08:02

in these days for anything would last

1:08:04

twenty years, right? Larry Page

1:08:06

says gee Email solves all my

1:08:09

communications needs. It's fast and easy

1:08:11

and as all the stories I

1:08:13

need and I could use it

1:08:15

from anywhere for I Love is

1:08:17

Remember before that so many people

1:08:19

using their I S P's Yeah

1:08:21

or Aol or Aol your Hotmail.

1:08:23

Was. Not hotmail was around before Chino

1:08:25

think. I'm

1:08:27

anyway. And

1:08:30

it's still around twenty years later. It's one of

1:08:32

the few things google has my to. Knock

1:08:35

on was a knock on man.

1:08:37

ah what else should we do

1:08:40

now Mister John Nice. Mister.

1:08:43

John Okay, but not just the house

1:08:45

may have. Ah

1:08:47

do I do know the color?

1:08:50

Yes! Ah, I'm going to become

1:08:52

this cari. This.

1:08:54

Color right here. So.

1:08:58

Remember Sars Six or lose yourself. What's named

1:09:01

where you calling from. Eyes

1:09:04

Who's a scar from San Francisco?

1:09:06

I turned on the clock club.

1:09:09

I'm I'm proud Club members. Beginning:

1:09:11

Thank yea thank you thank you

1:09:13

from the bottom of my heart.

1:09:15

We really appreciate. It. You.

1:09:18

Review Leo have

1:09:20

provided invaluable. Information

1:09:22

and Entertainment for years And years

1:09:24

and years. Thank thank You! Well

1:09:27

and you know I'm It's not

1:09:29

just for me. It's

1:09:31

really because I want people like Micah in

1:09:33

all of our staff to to keep doing

1:09:35

and I think we really think what we're

1:09:38

doing is important. So thanks to you and

1:09:40

and and eleven thousand other club members. I.

1:09:42

Think I think the sprites. Thank you

1:09:45

Scott early for said. If

1:09:48

anybody has a question about signing up

1:09:50

for like club the listening now please

1:09:52

do it. I I I guarantee. You.

1:09:55

Won't regret it. Drg. Go in

1:09:57

the discourse. Got. Yes,

1:10:01

I do occasionally. I've

1:10:04

I've got. I've got in the habit

1:10:06

of watching the pre and post show

1:10:08

content as farm through the you tube

1:10:10

stream one was on and the other.

1:10:13

For some reason I find it fascinating

1:10:15

and fun summer most interesting and entertaining

1:10:17

things have happened and plans. I completely

1:10:20

agree. I have always that the stuff

1:10:22

that happens for every says it's the

1:10:24

best part of the shows it does.

1:10:26

He have such great pete and and

1:10:29

will talk about stuff we're interested in.

1:10:31

Yes yes. Yes in a

1:10:33

very good the beautiful tab

1:10:35

or forget the cats around

1:10:37

the dog the those who

1:10:39

the early votes Yes only

1:10:41

Lily. Oh. And there's so

1:10:43

many things work. Let me get to

1:10:45

my questions at least. I.

1:10:48

Have I have an

1:10:50

app which I do

1:10:52

every day for hours

1:10:54

frequently. The. Problem

1:10:56

is. The company.

1:10:59

To. Save money on positive. I'm

1:11:02

sure they they didn't update

1:11:04

which totally change the gap

1:11:06

is. So many

1:11:08

speakers were were changed our race

1:11:10

What I did One after listening

1:11:13

to you Leo I went to

1:11:15

the A Pk. And

1:11:17

I got the last version of

1:11:19

the app before the update. And

1:11:22

I installed it on one of my lesser

1:11:24

phone. Not one of my best phones. And

1:11:27

is reworking Fantastic. For

1:11:30

and when I wonder years, you as easily

1:11:32

went back. To. An older

1:11:34

version? Yes. And you

1:11:36

know, only by couple of months. A

1:11:38

couple months you want to tell us what the

1:11:41

program was. What are you prefer not to? I'd

1:11:44

The reason I don't wanna do it is

1:11:46

there's a lot of talk is reddit. About

1:11:49

people were upset they're dropping the subscription

1:11:51

as if I do pay every month

1:11:53

for this the service not be the

1:11:55

happy to do it I'm I'm hoping

1:11:57

that they will listen to our he

1:11:59

are her mom as do something where

1:12:02

your little i wouldn't want to mention

1:12:04

of the. Other

1:12:06

for, I'm afraid they'll do something which

1:12:08

will deprecate the old version or not,

1:12:10

I will be able to use newsmakers

1:12:12

already What you did you do If

1:12:14

I became his average you get the

1:12:17

old a Pk that stuff acted as.

1:12:21

A. Classic was a preacher

1:12:23

maria. As that's a goal was

1:12:25

to got. The

1:12:28

I was wondering about how safe that is.

1:12:30

that's why from one of my older phone

1:12:32

yeah is always written. what are you know

1:12:34

when a widget we're just talking about the

1:12:37

had regained show the realize and sometime rise

1:12:39

even a site like a became error that

1:12:41

as I know is good and genuine could

1:12:43

end up being a target of a supply

1:12:45

chain attack. and so yeah you just you

1:12:48

just have now is be very careful I

1:12:50

guess is this. Is.

1:12:52

This. App and so important to sap

1:12:55

is so important in my daily entertainment. A

1:12:57

uses the I just said to do

1:12:59

it really got me known only as his

1:13:01

desires We won't we won't Young ones and

1:13:03

respect and surprised. It's

1:13:06

related. And know I'll

1:13:08

just say what it is. it's Sirius

1:13:10

Xm. Oh hell they. They

1:13:13

they have so many great music

1:13:15

program and ah I'm a bit

1:13:17

into music for you for you

1:13:19

forty fifty years and and it's

1:13:22

this is just great. Said.

1:13:24

Wouldn't you love or I don't

1:13:27

use? I use the app internet

1:13:29

version and the sound quality is

1:13:31

not that bad. Really? isn't. But.

1:13:33

The thing I'm wondering is. Should

1:13:35

I try to not update my this

1:13:38

phone and times with a be helpful

1:13:40

to keep using it and how long

1:13:42

will I and to the be be

1:13:44

able to keep using the old version

1:13:46

is or anything I can do. To.

1:13:49

Keep it the way it is or

1:13:51

the eyes you are going to be.

1:13:53

Who for all of this would be

1:13:55

to have a burner phone as efforts

1:13:57

in expenses and rates on the he's

1:13:59

just for. Sirius Xm so that

1:14:01

you could run the old a

1:14:03

okay without risk and and I

1:14:06

could declare yeah, a bank Details:

1:14:08

Apps. On at all. Yeah it's is

1:14:10

blank and just the serious or I

1:14:13

am phones had right you're not the

1:14:15

right. Added a serious program is less

1:14:17

likely to be security issues and not

1:14:19

updating Android knobs thing and rate is

1:14:21

the securities. Almost

1:14:23

always. Because. It's a

1:14:25

Target right right out shirt. They're always fix

1:14:28

on drugs every month to put out a

1:14:30

bug fix. Security sucks so how is. A

1:14:33

fight if identities this one phone

1:14:35

to Jersey. So this October two

1:14:37

twenty twenty three version of Syria's.

1:14:40

And. Everybody has been through Hell was.

1:14:43

Oh I know Rises So serious says

1:14:45

it's not going to work. You don't

1:14:47

even you know you can continue to

1:14:49

run Android Phone. An old version of

1:14:51

Android. Millions? I dare I say been.

1:14:53

I know people are doing that worldwide.

1:14:55

Ah, and it's not going to break

1:14:58

anything. As long as

1:15:00

you don't turn or a new software on

1:15:02

it where you get into trouble with any

1:15:04

operating system that you don't updates is francis

1:15:06

the browsers was a as after a period

1:15:08

of time or we're not going to update

1:15:10

an old versions of Windows because it's too

1:15:12

risky and is too much expense for us

1:15:14

to develop versions of a for old version.

1:15:16

So. We're. Going to move along with

1:15:18

the times Chrome does that Firefox does at

1:15:21

all browsers do that. so. Things.

1:15:23

Like that won't work, but as long as

1:15:25

you're not using new software on the old

1:15:27

operating system, there's no reason that it shouldn't

1:15:30

have to the library exactly as it did.

1:15:32

And Mike is right down to banking on

1:15:34

a suspect of don't do anything for years

1:15:36

and I keep secure but running. Radio

1:15:39

shows on it. Seems. Fine. The

1:15:41

mail is a red. Card.

1:15:45

To another quickly. Questions were quick to her

1:15:47

with. This

1:15:49

is more of a curiosity question I

1:15:51

have. I have a T V with

1:15:53

Roku built in. And nerves

1:15:56

the program on T V re de

1:15:58

from San Francisco on there. Broadcast

1:16:00

channel my boy to Friday

1:16:02

nights Sapporo which I love

1:16:05

to was yes and. The.

1:16:08

The strangest thing is recently

1:16:10

started happening when I have.

1:16:13

My. Roku hooked up

1:16:15

to the internet via you tube

1:16:17

Tv. it's drops it would the

1:16:19

time I have a hooked up

1:16:22

it would draw the line point

1:16:24

to broadcast only the likely to.

1:16:27

So. I. It's. The strangest

1:16:29

thing over the air. But yes, all

1:16:31

the other channels come in for a

1:16:33

only the dying point to. An

1:16:35

Isis is I do watch

1:16:37

some the of the programs

1:16:39

occasionally, so. I resisted. Small,

1:16:41

I just I just do a network

1:16:44

connection reset One I want to watch

1:16:46

It is Nine Point is used as

1:16:48

his and lines as sending data which

1:16:50

is internet and said as broadcasts and

1:16:52

so as between us and you're not

1:16:54

somewhere hybrids. yeah when you're not connected

1:16:56

to the internet than it's forcing it

1:16:58

to be sent to you. Is he

1:17:00

a Cdn? Easier see that. So I'm

1:17:02

wondering if they've upgraded and for some

1:17:04

reason years television. Maybe the road to

1:17:06

Tv doesn't have the easiest unnecessary the

1:17:09

honestly what I do as I just.

1:17:11

Used to but he be a sap. Ah,

1:17:13

And you tell it Urge? Yeah, that's the

1:17:15

best solution to it. A use previous Abby

1:17:18

tell at you Kid Cudi subscribers it'll automatically

1:17:20

say I've been or that's your local Pbs

1:17:22

station and then you'll be able to. but

1:17:24

you have to be a donor. I'm sure

1:17:26

you are if you watch Pero every Sunday.

1:17:28

Must. Him. Five bucks have some

1:17:31

and then as good as the

1:17:33

app. And. Everything and it's all on

1:17:35

demand and at there's a lot of great old

1:17:37

American experience as why did I want to see

1:17:39

the same old America explosion was just very. Is

1:17:43

just very tourism is is have risen nine

1:17:46

put do yeah no no or the other

1:17:48

animals do not do that Anyway I seek

1:17:50

might as you guy real Madrid as theory

1:17:52

I have no idea. Of

1:17:55

no idea they are as weird as

1:17:57

to some weird thing as you guys.

1:17:59

So. It's. An

1:18:01

agreement with everyone gets I'm. Just.

1:18:04

Here for more people on the

1:18:06

club at yeah Appreciated her as

1:18:09

sas google has something sad at

1:18:11

yeah yeah thank you. I love

1:18:13

that. That's really nice. That's

1:18:15

really nice view on a club member. You

1:18:17

can become one very easily. Seven bucks a

1:18:19

month it's I think the benefits outweigh the

1:18:21

cost is not much you get ad free

1:18:23

versions of all the shows you get access

1:18:25

to a club to. Discord: It's a great

1:18:27

community. Even when I was on vacation I

1:18:29

hung out. The Discord as Levin. Ah,

1:18:32

you also get their videos shows that we

1:18:34

only put out audio for like Scots home

1:18:36

theater geeks and make his hands on Mackintosh

1:18:38

else again all that's. And.

1:18:40

He liked the beginning him and stuff before and

1:18:42

after the shows. So is the best Us. As.

1:18:45

Because when we're kind of and on the. Unplugged.

1:18:49

Yeah, Exactly Unplugged. And

1:18:51

yes, So pleased with

1:18:53

that Tv slice of we'd love to have

1:18:55

you. Some

1:18:57

emperors. Where's. Lily.

1:19:01

So. He wanted a visit from the

1:19:03

dogs. There was a a Sophos

1:19:05

Lily shared in the discount. I

1:19:08

believe the new hire important Are

1:19:10

things dies during dog things and

1:19:12

air important? Yes. Ah,

1:19:14

With that the victor oh took

1:19:17

their did you take that he

1:19:19

oh that's exceeds his shoes Lily

1:19:21

and doggy bed. She was in

1:19:23

the middle of the freeway. Well.

1:19:26

Not the freeway with the hall me as

1:19:28

such. yeah I almost all. I mean literally

1:19:30

that's the middle of the hall and know

1:19:32

what murder had the Ebert said So she's

1:19:35

the one who puts it out there. Yes

1:19:37

she was. He means it from a male

1:19:39

will sit in the middle of them all.

1:19:41

She's we're Lily. It's so funny because I'm

1:19:43

so used to little dogs being pretty submissive.

1:19:45

It is my i submit says he will

1:19:47

stare like my dogs If you were to

1:19:49

walk toward them they will move out of

1:19:51

the way. She does not know hours away

1:19:53

whenever she's accepted as you can tell me

1:19:56

to want. To be picked up you at which

1:19:58

they will be here I'm sure on on. Sunday

1:20:00

next Sunday when we have our open house

1:20:02

on the twenty first. By the way that's

1:20:04

another benefit for club members. Things like a

1:20:06

how you get her he's he's just very

1:20:08

commanded a swoop in he yeah he mine

1:20:11

asked she will not normally let me pick

1:20:13

her up but sees such as. Ah

1:20:17

and she has a technique is like swatting

1:20:19

a fly have to come from behind Producer

1:20:21

Man and a dog whisperer. Ah

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a photographer. Is. Going on a

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photo trip to Egypt in a few months ago

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likes to be able to back up as images

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he gets a good. Yeah, I was

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he gonna do anything a take with them for

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zone he should take a smartphone with a good

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camera and I'll tell you why a lot of

1:25:07

you live in Egypt twice now. And.

1:25:09

You go in the valley of the kings

1:25:11

and lox sore and you go down those

1:25:13

tombs. Amazing! They will not let you bring

1:25:15

in many cases that camera with you but

1:25:17

they can't stop you to kick from carrying

1:25:20

a camera, phone and some of my best

1:25:22

pictures. Were on my

1:25:24

I phone. I think it was an I phone. fourteen

1:25:26

was couple years ago. But. Honestly,

1:25:28

that is a fantastic. And.

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I think much needed. To

1:25:33

and it will solve this problem. Because.

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You'll then have. A

1:25:39

way to back up so. It's.

1:25:41

That is good Pinilla but on my camera

1:25:43

he's using we don't really have a lot

1:25:45

information but as he you most cameras these

1:25:48

days Canon Nikon my like as will pair

1:25:50

to your phone and. Coffee. Photos

1:25:52

over to your phone while. Ah,

1:25:55

Sony does that. The Sony Imaging app

1:25:57

like a has its photos app. Ah,

1:26:01

I can't from what Canon calls

1:26:03

their app. if your camera supports

1:26:05

that, Then. It's probably

1:26:07

is. Here's what I do. And. I

1:26:09

would do. You're gonna bring a lot of memory cards.

1:26:11

For one thing, you never a race a memory card.

1:26:14

When. It's full or almost four years is at

1:26:16

the end of the day And how many have

1:26:18

put it aside? Put a new one. It as

1:26:21

smart that's your regionals. That's. Really

1:26:23

appear to protect that. Ah, if

1:26:25

you don't have a computer you can't really

1:26:27

easily copy that to a hard drive they

1:26:29

used to make. I think we probably still

1:26:31

do hard drives they call photo wallets that

1:26:33

have an Sd card reader that do copied

1:26:36

over to a hard drive so then that's

1:26:38

all you're carrying with it's But I think

1:26:40

nowadays the smartphone is really the way to

1:26:42

do it's see, connect the camera however you

1:26:44

can exit. usually were mostly the smartphone. copy

1:26:46

all the images and I would always get

1:26:49

the rocks and then use the cameras facility

1:26:51

whether it's Google Photos or Apple's I cloud

1:26:53

to back up those photos. To the cloud.

1:26:55

Now you feel pretty safe. Because.

1:26:58

It the originals are being stored somewhere. If

1:27:00

you're an Amazon. Prime. Member

1:27:02

they will store the originals to vacuum.

1:27:04

I want to do multiple one spends

1:27:06

on your ah you know internet access

1:27:08

when you get to the hotel. Almost.

1:27:11

Certainly easier to have a fairly big

1:27:13

hotel. And Egypt has plenty of those.

1:27:16

You'll be able to back up. I

1:27:19

I took some of my most. Fabulous.

1:27:22

Pictures in Egypt though on my on my

1:27:24

phone. So. I think you really do want

1:27:26

to bring a phone you want to check to see if

1:27:28

your camera back up to your phone, and then you want

1:27:30

to set up some sort of back up. And.

1:27:32

You do a via wife i don't do it

1:27:35

out in the field. do once you get back

1:27:37

to the hotel to either Amazon's photos. Or.

1:27:39

Google photos. Or. Apple

1:27:41

photos. I forgot.

1:27:44

What? What? Phone? I

1:27:46

brought with me. Or what?

1:27:48

damn. Camera with me

1:27:50

you can has a while her yeah

1:27:52

this was I phone eleven and twenty

1:27:54

nineteen but this is the only thing

1:27:56

that you could bring into these tombs.

1:28:00

So it really was important to have.

1:28:04

A. A camera phone me

1:28:06

see what else? I have quite

1:28:09

a few. You. Know google I don't

1:28:11

care about most relevant I want to find.

1:28:14

Say a lot of these. I six. Skyn

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Lox. Yup. Eleven. Pro

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Max as pretty so I think that

1:28:23

ah well. it's nice to have a

1:28:25

great Cameron. I certainly would always bring

1:28:28

a great camera for videos and for

1:28:30

get going on here we go. Here.

1:28:32

We go so we should Only

1:28:34

this was an amazing to me

1:28:36

again. they said you cannot while

1:28:38

cannot bring. A

1:28:41

I can't good camera with you. And.

1:28:44

They're not well lit. right? You're

1:28:46

down underground, deep underground. They don't

1:28:48

want use flashes because it's harmful

1:28:50

to the lookout for a separate

1:28:53

any sort. it all well. Leases

1:28:55

insists. They. Painted this over.

1:28:57

There's no way this looks this good. From.

1:28:59

Three thousand years ago. But they said

1:29:02

no no there's no and the reason

1:29:04

was this to was only discovered may

1:29:06

be fifty years ago and was sealed

1:29:08

and they didn't have a lot of

1:29:10

to robbers so the painting is fairly

1:29:13

fresh. I want to believe that it

1:29:15

has had no worked. I don't think

1:29:17

that's conservators will allow them to do

1:29:19

interested in Davao. You

1:29:22

definitely! You definitely want your

1:29:24

camera phone! For. Those

1:29:27

times you can't branded cameras this kind of

1:29:29

stuff as assess the gives me goosebumps. It's

1:29:31

incredibly gotta see this in person or you

1:29:33

have to go It marked by can remember

1:29:35

the name of to. By

1:29:38

they had just recently reopened it. they

1:29:40

kept a closed for a long time

1:29:42

and it felt like this was just

1:29:44

painted yesterday. Truly

1:29:47

amazing. And. Lisa

1:29:49

said no know they've restored it. She

1:29:51

said she didn't believe it or that's it.

1:29:53

Tomb of said he the first T

1:29:55

Seventeen is another tip by the way,

1:29:58

I. Always take a picture. The guide poster because

1:30:01

I can never remember where I was. Yeah,

1:30:03

that's a good good idea. So and the

1:30:05

history of it is here and so forth.

1:30:07

So yeah, I'm glad I did that because

1:30:09

I had forgotten where I saw it. But.

1:30:12

And yet these are all I phones here. We are

1:30:14

in the. In. The tomb

1:30:16

itself you see the lighting isn't

1:30:18

a particularly good now they put

1:30:21

okay so that's interesting can with

1:30:23

that photo there. Did. They

1:30:25

come down in and they took

1:30:27

things and moved them to put

1:30:30

know knowing this. They. Just

1:30:32

put up some so you wouldn't get out as

1:30:34

you wouldn't touch touch it or tickets so it's

1:30:36

that on why they were. Yeah. Yeah

1:30:38

this is untouched. Say put up some barriers

1:30:40

So for that is minister. I am procedures

1:30:42

a poor country and so the. But

1:30:45

these terms are so valuable to

1:30:47

the international community. Yeah, That.

1:30:49

Ah, I think they would be very

1:30:51

hard pressed. To. Modify this

1:30:53

the could see these are conservators

1:30:56

the and I'm archaeologists in their

1:30:58

their table in their chairs they're

1:31:00

still working on home. I was

1:31:02

too many as an interesting history.

1:31:04

But anyway so going to Egypt

1:31:06

there's great street photography in Cairo.

1:31:08

It's amazing. Be careful as dangerous

1:31:11

places essential especially if you're woman.

1:31:13

Ah, but if you keep your wits

1:31:15

about you, there's amazing street photography in

1:31:17

Cairo. That the the

1:31:19

pyramids are incredible. Have some pictures

1:31:21

of climbing the pyramids. I'm

1:31:24

not inclined mean allowed to climate nice

1:31:26

inclined than you did said visiting them.

1:31:29

You don't climb them are just as

1:31:31

as mean as relax climb to the

1:31:33

secretly there was that that via the

1:31:35

Murder and the Nile movie. At

1:31:38

some point they're climbing the pyramids and I said as he

1:31:40

give me an extra two and in the old days they

1:31:42

would let you do that. They are. You don't get to

1:31:44

do that. Anyway,

1:31:48

Ah, That's the solution. I

1:31:51

love to see if Amazon still sells

1:31:53

his. Photo. Wallet devices They

1:31:55

were very big for a while.

1:31:58

I liked it and the they do that. You

1:32:00

didn't have to have a computer telling the thing

1:32:02

what to do. I could just pop that and

1:32:04

and it would move and over automatically. Is that

1:32:07

the idea here? See that's a cool to have.

1:32:09

It would have a little screen on it. And

1:32:12

a lot of we, A lot of us use those.

1:32:15

Yeah. Years ago. So.

1:32:19

They still make these. The. Some of

1:32:21

the marvel or wireless some of them can I use

1:32:23

it connects to the I phone. I'm.

1:32:26

It looks like these are designed to work

1:32:29

with a knife on. That's very interesting. I

1:32:31

think they figured why put any smarts in

1:32:33

here. Are you go? Know that

1:32:35

serve us be So I think maybe this

1:32:37

is a category the has can have. Dwindled.

1:32:40

Or disappear because everybody go smartphone now.

1:32:42

But in the old days photographers would

1:32:44

bring these hard drives with a. Memory

1:32:47

card reader on them. And. They

1:32:49

would take them around with them. I had a few of them. I

1:32:52

think nowadays springs. Pair

1:32:55

your phone to a camera. Copy

1:32:57

of photos off. And then

1:33:00

use Apple Photos Google Cloud photos.

1:33:02

amateur like people. Forget that Amazon

1:33:04

if you have a prime membership

1:33:06

gives wrote was your point Original:

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I'm uploading Seventy Four make him

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and Ross. Now which

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is. Counted

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it makes one but does that

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connects to computer or does it

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still idea these as they were

1:33:21

completely standalone. They

1:33:24

didn't They didn't require computer. He says not bring

1:33:26

in a computer with. Which.

1:33:28

Is probably not a bad thing. I always have

1:33:30

a laptop with. You.

1:33:35

Know that's a doc say that connects to a

1:33:37

computer. Or

1:33:39

right. oh wow yeah, they're used

1:33:42

to be so popular something called

1:33:44

a Rouse Power file hub that

1:33:46

would do the yeah, That. Might

1:33:48

be some a rat is is still around. I was looking

1:33:50

at months seen. Our one more

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am I do. I'm Marcus I'm not gonna guy. do we have

1:33:55

so many one o'clock. Know. That

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means many real to be you

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the landline and smart speakers. Together

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last this is from the fish. Alone

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assess supply which fish as

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as the fish so as

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have land lines for various

1:34:12

reasons. How dare dare you

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Fishes Some of us has

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led last and Amazon as

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discontinued their Echo Connects oh

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you. Is. There a similar device

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a can connect a landline to an echo

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show. fifteen. So. That it

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continues to announce phone calls. What?

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Anyone know they had this and allows

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cause been issued by voice. Size.

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One Amazon device I also use

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mostly as I are I devices

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on pause I phones I pods

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Rivers was my landline work with

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as I are I you Unfortunately

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our one of very few people

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who choose to take advantage of

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the service is so funny to

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assess is is this is ancient

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history day right in these old

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camera wallets and now this Yeah

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this is this I've unfortunately no.

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I have not heard of any

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new. System: Ah, Amazon deprecated

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all that technology and I

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don't believe Google offers anything

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like that with see Google

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home stuff here. Here's

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a Scooter X again.

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February Twenty ninth, Twenty Twenty Four.

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says, i can't stand it when

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companies promise crap as songs dart.

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annoying I spotted that he decided

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to supported. Earth.

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is your. If. There aren't that many

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people using it, unfortunately. And

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it costs even if they're people using

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it is it causes the chaos. And

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Amazon dollars They lost what was it?

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Ten billion dollars on the and I

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A L E X say I gadgets

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and generals in general. Thing

1:36:01

is you can make phone calls with your echo just

1:36:03

as a use your landlord rights. And. I

1:36:05

see that's the main reason. The. People

1:36:07

most people to I want you can also

1:36:09

just blew to connect your phone to. A

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nutshell is always ways enjoyed. On to it.

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And yes it's like a conference room so.

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He got a few very to view of land

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lines there's the first and they have all these

1:36:20

other ways to do with it. either a cell

1:36:22

phone or your internet connection. Yep. I can

1:36:25

see why they maybe they killed. Him.

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I guess you could just buy. A.

1:36:29

Purpose built conference room.

1:36:32

Telephone that you hook up to your landline

1:36:34

instead. And then I'm sure there

1:36:36

are plenty that offer voice functionality if he wanted

1:36:38

to do that, But

1:36:40

yeah, you can have to basically build your own kind of

1:36:42

a system. And

1:36:44

that, yeah, that's interesting. I remember back

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in the a day at Tech T

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they may be Giants, who doesn't?

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as a very early on has severely called

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dial a song where you could use call

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up a phone number so an answering machine

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would play one of their songs to his

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own ice. they might still have a fry

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know three or figure out if they were

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giants. Now. Without. Turns

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out they weren't Oh yeah, oh,

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I met a merits but the

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style. ah. So.

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They wanted to go digital. This

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is to thousands probably. I built

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for them a linux box. Oh

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really with the modem interface to

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the land line. That

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would then the linux box would play

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the songs for you. So was basically

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a fancy linux based answering machine and

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eight. What they would do is they

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could put their C D. E.

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A song at random and play it down

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the phone lines using a modem in the

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old in own blaze modems connecting the family.

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So. You could call their number, would pay, the

1:37:53

computer would pick up so you does that I

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wrote have been ruined thing for the play it

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right I doubt they ever used it but any.

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I gave it to them on the

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show you'd probably find somewhere somebody. As.

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Probably put that show. On

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you tube. Me: See if

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they die own sauce you but. There's.

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A lot of stuff that's that's in

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our lifetime in your memory, even? yeah,

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that was Tigger. Call our our pick

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up on this color right here. And.

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calling us, you could call. Dial.

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