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Kyle Pierce: Hello and welcome to astrology hotline, the podcast we answer your questions, astrology, birth chart, fun stuff like that. joining us again today for our second part of our discussion on the houses is Shay. Welcome back, Shay.

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Shay: Hello. Thanks for having me back again. Kyle Pierce: And also the world famous Tristan, paler.

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Tristan Paylor: Hello. Kyle Pierce: How are you guys today?

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Shay: I'm doing well. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get the world famous title.

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Kyle Pierce: I know. I feel I feel bad now. I feel like I need to say something about that.

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You know, you got a special guest, I guess.

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Shay: Oh, I guess that's okay. Then I'll just be a special guest. How are you?

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Kyle Pierce: Just well? How about you, Tristan?

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Tristan Paylor: I'm doing pretty good. Yeah, I am in total state of oh, let me start over. I never know how to answer this question. I need to prepare a script for when people ask me how I am.

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Kyle Pierce: You know, just speak. You can be honest. Except, you know, (Tristan: The problem is I don't know the answer. I don't even know how I am. I don't know how doing.) Sometimes it's good to not know how you're doing. If you get too wrapped up in how you're doing? You know? You might do something about it. I don't know. You wouldn't want that. No. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like um, I don't know. I don't want to talk shit about Aquarius season. But this time of year is just like, ugh, you know, maybe not in Florida. Weather is probably fine.

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Shay: Yeah, we had a very cold week. It was it was terrible. And now that's over. So our will hopefully last week. Well, we had lows in the 20s and 30s. Oh, my husband was ready to move to somewhere that I don't know there's you know, once you're in Florida, there's not a lot of other options.

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Kyle Pierce: Way more south to go in go right into

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Shay: the water and swim away. But yeah, it wasn't that cold. But that seems to be the last week because now it's worn back up again. So I got to get to see some ice outside. And that was the end. Wow.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, that's that's, I didn't even know that was possible for Florida. But I guess we had crazy storm times. You know? That doesn't really give me a segue into 2013 not give me any segues. You guys, I need segue.

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Tristan Paylor: We're literally just talking about the weather. No, it's gone.

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Shay: I know we should we start all over?

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Kyle Pierce: I mean, it's irrelevant because you know, Aquarius season, shity weather

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Tristan Paylor: that's true I mean, as astrologers we should be talking about the weather because our job is to pay attention to the seasons and find meaning in the cyclical nature of the seasons and natural occurrences that happened during them.

3:36

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, and I did actually find it really interesting that the storm that you know, most of the United States had and probably into Canada. Oh, yeah. Canada. (Tristan: Oh, yeah.) Under the beans of the United States. Speaking of which, that storm happened like almost right, like right as the Saturn Casimi was building up so, right as Saturn was about to be exactly conjunct the Sun, which I found interesting. It's like the sun in Aquarius Saturn and Aquarius like coolest time of the year coldest planet, Sun, just seems like oh yeah... cold.

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Tristan Paylor: Well, I like that where I am at least. There was the big snowstorm and then the day of the Saturn Cassini. It was actually a clear sky when the sun rose. So I got to watch the sunrise with Saturn in its heart through my frozen windows. Quite

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Kyle Pierce: beautiful. Nice. That's amazing imagery. And then

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Tristan Paylor: it went right back to being overcast after that, so sort of like the eye of the storm. Yeah. And we need to hit record on Zoom.

4:46

Kyle Pierce: Oh, yeah, that's right. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Tristan Paylor: I have one job. You are the single branch this entire operation

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Shay: That's signal brain. Oh, no. Kyle Pierce: Perpetual moderator. Yep. That's about right. Tristan. Shay has one has the one brain cell?

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Shay: I'd like to think I have one. Kyle Pierce: Yes, you have more than

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Tristan Paylor: however many you have you have all of them for this group? Yes. So the more you have the better.

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Shay: Well, I'll do what I can. Thank you. Kyle Pierce: We have enough brain cells to talk about houses here.

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Tristan Paylor: I think so. So we have been talking about the houses in groups of three according to the angular triads, which is a principle that comes out of ancient astrology, the angular houses the first fourth, seventh and 10th, or the most active, busy, visible houses, everything kind of hinges on those houses. So the houses that flank them have a special relationship to the angles. The cadent house next to an angular house sort of wraps things up and represents transition enclosure, and the succeeded house next to an angular house is what supports that Angular house. So that's the the format that we've been using for the discussion. Although we're still you know, discussing the houses one at a time, we're not going in order from one to 12, strictly speaking. So just be aware of that, I guess.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, if you, if you didn't watch the first part of the series, where we covered the basics of the houses, and the first triad D, which includes the first, second and 12th house, I recommend you listening to that episode first. But today, we'll be continuing on with the other three triads.

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Shay: Yeah, and since my focus is Taro, I'm kind of adding in how you can relate looking at your chart to different cards, the Tarot deck, and some different ways that the the houses may relate to spread positions or some specific cards in the back and questions you can ask yourself as you're going through and looking at the different houses. So that's kind of how I'm adding to the conversation and excited to do that again, today.

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Kyle Pierce: We're excited to have you. Thank you for joining us again, Shay. And I think it's a great way of because the houses are really what connect astrology to our sort of day to day lives. I think bringing bringing in the symbolism of Tarot is a really nice way to find other ways to connect the meaning of the houses in ways that are, you know, more understandable, because we're dealing with symbolic language in general, already, so you know, the more tools you have in your toolkit to to relate to the symbols, the better, you'll be able to understand them.

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Shay: Yeah, and I think it's really fun when some of the symbolism lines up with the meanings of the cards. And it just, it's a fun way to look at astrology and tarot and see them kind of one in the light of the other. Yeah.

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Kyle Pierce: Well, so shall we begin with the the fourth house triad?

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Tristan Paylor: Let's do it. With the, with the fourth house, the angular house in that triad? One second.

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Kyle Pierce: Looks like a really intense call. Tristan Paylor: I'm just really trying to clear my throat. It's not working very well.

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Kyle Pierce: A multi gravity throat. Tristan Paylor: Yeah, that's okay. I guess I'll sound like a jazz singer.

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Kyle Pierce: Like that episode of Friends or Phoebe.

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Shay: sings well, yeah. Tristan Paylor: All right, so the fourth house. Basic meanings for the fourth house are one's inner life, one's private life, one's home and one's ancestry. Because the fourth house is the lowest of the houses it is the deepest beneath the horizon. If you are using the solar cycle, to attach symbolism to the houses, the fourth house is the house that the sun in its daily motion reaches at solar midnight. So that will be the darkest part of the day for you when the sun is as far below the horizon as it can possibly get. So the fourth house is all about things that are private or underneath you are foundational to you in some way.

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Shay: Yeah. And I think it also represents things that are familiar to you You but they're not in plain view to other people.

10:03

Kyle Pierce: Yes, definitely. Tristan Paylor: Yeah, that's a very good point. Because you are intimately familiar with your own private life, your own home life, your own inner world, but the rest of the world does not necessarily see that you can totally see the ways in which your inner life or your your home life or private life, intersect with other areas of your life by looking at the location of your fourth house ruler. You know, sometimes those things might appear in the public a little bit more often. Some of the more mundane significations of the fourth house really sort of deal with, you know, being under the ground or being foundational, like buried treasure is one of the mundane meanings of the fourth house, wells, places, underground mining, that kind of stuff. And, you know, because it is associated with house and home, and is also associated with property, real estate, that kind of thing. So those are some of the more, I guess, tangible associations that you find with the fourth house.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, definitely. Tristan Paylor: And you can see why it's so pivotal, like, why it's one of the angular houses, because, you know, we've come from the first Angular triad, which has to do with the self and the body. And then the next one that we're dealing with has to do with home and ancestry, which is pretty fundamental, you know, pretty universal, you know, the desire for shelter and safety and protection and concealment is a universal human need, you know, being in a place where we can, we're, we're not on display all the time, where, you know, we have a place to rest and also a place that protects us from the elements. That's all a universal human concern. And, you know, family is a universal human concern. We are all sort of connected to that concept, in one way or another, it has an effect on us. So you can you can see why it is such an active and important house, even though it's, you know, like the solar midnight point, and Gary's significations that, you know, seem kind of restful and quiet, it is nonetheless an angular house, because it's a pivotal place where a lot of action does happen in your life. Another maybe lesser known association with the fourth house is death, and endings of all kinds kinds, it's the grave, which is sort of the final resting place. And you know, a place that is usually deep beneath the earth. And in Korea, astrology, which is more about casting a chart for a specific question and trying to get a yes or no answer. The ruler of the fourth house represents the outcome, the final outcome, or the end of the matter that is being inquired into.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, it'll say a lot about your willingness to let people in to your personal and private space, you know, how trusting of a person you are, you know, not everybody is as comfortable or good at keeping secrets as other people, you know, you keep secrets, sometimes for good reason you keep other people's secrets, because, you know, they trust you. And, you know, some secrets are better, or better for keeping than others, some mediation key. But yeah, that whole kind of topic and idea of trust, I think is really deeply rooted and the fourth house. Yeah, and

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Shay: I think that this, that underground, elements of it ties so well into so many of these topics, because it's like, you know, what are your roots? Where did you come from, you know, what kind of things do you keep private and hidden, under underground and away from, from other people, and even that, around the idea of roots, you know, what, what were you what situation are you born into? Or, you know, what is what is your relationship to that upbringing? So kind of, how did you come up? And what maybe, still, do you have to work through from that? Yeah.

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Tristan Paylor: The Roots imagery is really good. Because it really is like, this is the deep earth that your seed was planted in. And you know, what was it that sheltered you and kept you safe while you were still growing and laying down root systems? That kind of stuff is your fourth house that environment that originally nurtured you?

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Shay: Yeah. And like where are your roots in, you know, rocky soil or, you know, a supportive soil or yeah, how, how easy was it for you to to grow and thrive?

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Tristan Paylor: Yeah, and how stable are those roots? How easy is it to become uprooted?

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, like internal stability. Even the condition of your fourth house will tell you a lot about that. Actually have a question for you che because this is actually a card, a tarot card that's always confused me is the 10 of Pentacles. Is that have sort of any resonance with the fourth house? So

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Shay: yeah, that was that was one of the cards that I wrote down, as, you know, possibly being associated with the fourth house, the 10, of Pentacles. And, for me, it's just making me think of legacies, either leaving a legacy for others who are, you know, part of your family? Or what legacy you were born into, or, or given. So on that card, we see kind of multiple generations on the same card. So it does feel like kind of you know, that that home aspect, but also, what are you born into? Or what are you leaving? For others?

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Tristan Paylor: There's a sense of completion with it too, right? Where it's, it's the final card of its suit, like the 10 has to do with completion, right?

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Shay: Yeah, it's kind of all the work that you've put in, and all the things that you've gathered throughout the suit of pentacles, is you're going you know, a certain kind of all comes to a conclusion at the end, which lines up with the idea of the fourth house being related to end of life to?

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Tristan Paylor: Yeah, like the end the end or final outcome of a matter. But it's like it's a positive house and the 10 of pentacles is a positive card. It's yeah.

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Shay: Yeah, it's not the 10 of swords. Tristan Paylor: It's not like other other houses that get associated with death that are a little more difficult to deal with the fourth house is still like a positive house.

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Shay: Yeah. And as far as like spread positions, I think it's interesting, because I could see fourth house topics coming up in cards representing the past, but also representing the outcome, because, you know, both of those are kind of tied together in that in that cycle.

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Tristan Paylor: Just that part in the in the solar cycle, where, like the other the other houses that are associated with death, that form part of the seventh house triad. They are the setting place for the sun. And so that's where they get their association with death. But the fourth house is sort of like the resurrection point. It's like the sun has already dived into the underworld, it has already made its way through the underworld. And once it hits the fourth house, that is the turning point at which it starts its ascent back out of the underworld. So like in ancient Egyptian religion, you know, following the, the daily motion of the Sun, and comparing that to you know, beliefs about the afterlife, like death is not the end. And, you know, you go through certain like initiations or trials after death. And then you reach a point at which you're sort of welcomed into the, into a new life. So that's like, the point that this son starts entering its new life is once it gets to that turning point in the fourth house, when it gets to like darkest and lowest point in the underworld, it actually starts moving up again.

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Shay: Yeah, and some some other cards that I thought of relating to this, too, are thinking about how you were brought up, maybe you might think of that as six of cups, like, the happy memories are nostalgic, as you're looking back at your upbringing, or it might be eight of cups, you know, something you need to walk away from and leave behind and move on to other things. I think depending on, depending on what your upbringing was, like, you might have different card associations that, you know, resonate with you.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I feel like the angular houses first, fourth, seventh, and 10th. They're almost like easier to tie to like spread placements. While kittens exceeded houses, like you can get a lot more of like the cards themselves, like specific qualities, while like the angles have this anchoring element, there's almost like a neutrality to them. Like this is where these topics go, but the quality of them is really going to vary a lot more. Well, you know, the other houses tend to have their own sort of positive and negative qualities.

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Shay: Yeah, so almost like these houses are neutral. And the cards could go either way. Yeah.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, they're they're powerful, I guess is really to is maybe one of the key components of the angles. That they're the PowerPoints the power houses.

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Tristan Paylor: Yeah, Yeah, that's a really good way of putting it there. They're powerful and invisible. It's just funny with the fourth house, because, you know, in a way it deals with the invisible, but like, we were saying, it is visible to you, like, it's apparent to you. Nothing in the fourth house is hidden from you. Unless, you know, there's some buried treasure hidden in there at some point that you haven't discovered yet. It's really forgotten. So, yeah, totally. And I think maybe that's like, the fourth house is, you know, generally interpreted, you know, neutral to positive planets are in there, it's, you know, not not a inherently difficult place for a planet to be in the fourth house. Because, you know, either the topics are visible to you, or if they aren't visible to you, it's not like they're sort of dark, evil, Buried Secrets, you know, it's not like the 12th house where there are hidden enemies, or, you know, the eighth house where there you know, maybe skeletons in your closet that you need to deal with, or things that are haunting you. With the fourth house that's like the possibility of buried treasure yet to be uncovered. So those sorts of things hidden in there generally, like nice things or, you know, connecting to your roots, you know, connecting to your heritage and stuff like that, which is, you know, a mixed bag, but can be like a very, you know, at its best, it has the potential to really make you feel rooted in something and help you, you know, develop a sense of identity and a sense of community and all that good stuff. Oh, yeah, connection.

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Kyle Pierce: One, yeah, you think about what makes you know, a person, generally, like emotionally stable, or just have like, a good solid, internal anchor is usually having, you know, a good positive relationship to the family, their family of origin, often, not necessarily the only thing but problems, they're, you know, give you stuff that you have to work on, as an adult that, you know, can can take a lot of effort and energy, but also, you know, having a home having a place to live, having property gives you a base of operations basically gives you a bottom that you can hit, and not fall through the cracks per se. I partner Megan, you know, I always had this very pragmatic idea about owning houses like yeah, you own a house, you buy it out, right? Like you can do that, you know, own the property. And you can you have to you can work minimum wage and live because you have a you have a place to live.

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Shay: Yeah, well, and cards that are fours and taro tend to be related to stability, too. So, for example, the four of Wands makes me think of like the four legs on a table being a stable foundation. And that's also associated with home. So that could be a car that makes you think of the fourth house just because of its stability and its House Association.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I like that. Yeah, we're just thinking about, you know, the angular houses and how they are, they're all square to each other, right. And squares are chat more chat, you know, the more challenging, right, in general, and they often are, depending on the planets involved. But just think about the square in terms of a shape is a very stable shape, but it's a shape that will facilitate action. That makes sense, where, you know, the platform even, and I've made this analogy before on a different, different episode. But when you think of stairs in the way that they're shaped, you know, there there's,

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Shay: well, you wouldn't you wouldn't want to walk up like curved or round stairs. Just slide off.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you need that angle to the stairs for that firm, to be both efficient for you to walk up. But also, yeah, to get you up, you know, to get you where you want to go as opposed to like a ramp, which you can still climb up but you might have to have that ramp up a lot longer to get you to the top then with stairs, because you know you might slip down if you have them at the same angle as the steer and you need to take my five minutes or so

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Shay: that there's not any a planet that has its joy and in the fourth house. But you could still pull some meaning from the planets that if for the planet that rules the fourth house. And one thing that I like to do is to line up the the planets that are associated with Tarot cards, and kind of use that to pull some more meaning out of it. So just and we've talked about this in the previous episode, but just to review the planet that are associated with farts so we've got Mercury goes with magician Venus with the Empress Mars with the tower, Jupiter with the Wheel of Fortune, Saturn was the world, the moon with the High Priestess and the sun was the sun. And so for me, so I have Aquarius, on my for my fourth house. So that's ruled by Saturn, which can be associated with restriction. And the tarot card that goes with Saturn is the world, which I think of in this context as being the completion of cycles. So kind of relating that to home and my upbringing. So my dad had kind of constantly shifting employment. So my home changed often change locations as I was growing up. So there was kind of restrictions put on how long I could get comfortable with a social group or with a certain location, because we would end up moving often. So just thinking about the cycle of going to different places, and and the idea of restriction being part of my fourth house experience growing up.

26:08

Kyle Pierce: That's, it's interesting. Your second, right, Saturn and Sagittarius.

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Tristan Paylor: Yeah, and if you're a Scorpio rising, and you have Saturn inside, then it would be in your second

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Kyle Pierce: your father moving, changing jobs a lot. Sagittarius like second house, like Right Livelihood being you up and down a little. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And that's well, that's interesting, too. And, and, and bringing up a planet, like not having no particular planet has its joy in the fourth house. But I mean, you can, just talking about the fourth house get a sense of like, what planets are making more comfortable there, and what are maybe less comfortable, you know, like, the moon obviously has some good compatibility with the fourth house. I actually, like Jupiter in the fourth house a lot. Like it gives this like nice kind of cushion to life, in general, can say a lot about having some good support, available in life from the family or elsewhere. But I think Saturn could potentially do quite well in time. It depends on the condition of Saturn, but there's some compatibility there, I think with Saturn in the fourth house, and that Saturn doesn't necessarily need to be super visible, actually deals with in less visibility quite well. And it's also a very solid planet, strong foundations.

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Tristan Paylor: There was an astrologer and I keep forgetting who it was and what era it was. They were pre modern, but I don't remember what historical period of astrology they hail from, cannot remember, I will figure this out. I'm sure you know, I'll wake up at three in the morning and his name will pop into my head. But there was an astrologer who said that Saturn rejoiced in the fourth house, which I think is very interesting, because if you look at the theme of Monday, which is you know, for for listeners who aren't familiar with the thema Mundi, it's a teaching tool that ancient astrologers would use, and it's essentially a chart that looks just like a regular birth chart, but all the planets are placed in their positions of rulership. If you overlay the planet, planetary exaltations, on top of the theme of Monday, you end up with Saturn in the fourth house, because the fourth house of the theme of Monday is Libra and Saturn is exalted in Libra. So an exalted Saturn would be in the fourth house of the theme of Monday, which I find kind of cool, and I do I definitely see a connection. I definitely still think Saturn rejoices fundamentally in the 12 that that is like the Saturn house. But I definitely do see that affinity and connection, especially with like Saturn being, you know, the one that's associated with closure and endings and the soil to Saturn rules, the soil and the fourth house is like what is deep under the earth?

28:56

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Thinking about the house being like a boundary between you and the rest of the world in a sense, like your home is your fortress, your sanctuary, and hopefully a beautiful one, you know,

29:08

Tristan Paylor: I'm thinking about my own fourth house ruler is Venus in the 12th house, and I spent a lot of time on my own. As a kid, I was very much a latchkey kid, like I was an only child with parents who both worked full time and kind of, you know, an expectation of there there was an expectation of me that I be fairly independent from a young age. So I just, I learned to entertain myself in my room alone. And I spent a lot of time developing my imagination and my artistic interests because sort of my my roots of foundations were just like spending a hell of a lot of time alone in a room with a bunch of art supplies and you know, finding ways to keep myself company and entertain myself.

30:00

Kyle Pierce: She newer listeners might not be aware. But Tristan and I have very similar charts and I similar fourth house ruler, Venus in Gemini in the 12th. And yeah, the same five siblings.

30:14

Tristan Paylor: So if you have siblings, one major difference between our childhood I didn't necessarily want to hang out with them. Yeah, that's when I hear about siblings. I hear mixed reviews.

30:25

Kyle Pierce: Oh, yeah. I mean, as an adult, siblings, it's great. You're not competing with each other anymore. So much. Right to basically can become friends, friends that are obligated to hang out with you until you die.

30:42

Tristan Paylor: Wow. I think yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Sure.

30:46

Shay: I just didn't say I didn't. I've also an only child. So yeah, I've heard mixed reviews as well.

30:54

Tristan Paylor: I feel like siblings might be a good segue into the third. But I know Shay has some. You've got some like activity, ideas and journaling prompts and like suggestions for actively engaging with your fourth house. Right?

31:11

Shay: Yeah, and I mentioned the journaling prompts a little bit earlier, but some of the activities are just kind of connecting to your roots. So maybe visiting your hometown, if you're not if you don't live there anymore, or looking through old photo books, and any kind of activities to connect to your younger self, whether that's, you know, through Tarot spreads or readings that you do, or just thinking about what activities you enjoy doing as a kid and doing some of those things again, and then any sort of ancestry or family tree exploration, I think would also be a good way to connect to this house. Definitely.

31:50

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, that'd be a fun thing to do with the fourth house year is explore your family tree. You know, call your grandparents and ask them to tell you stories. This is a good fourth house activity.

32:05

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Actually, I did do this. Even my last fourth house perfection year is I got a is ancestry.com. Right. What do you build up your family? That's one of them. Yeah. And I got really excited when I was able to trace a family line back to Emperor Charlemagne. And I was like, Oh, my God, I'm royalty. percent of anybody, the European descent is related to Charlemagne.

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Tristan Paylor: Charlemagne got around, I'm not special. Oh, all right, shall we third house on the on the topic of siblings, other other members of your family, tree siblings and cousins and non biological relatives in your neighborhood like, you know, neighbors and peers and people who are just around, you all seem to kind of end up in the third house. It's just the people that are in your environment that you didn't choose to have. I made a mistake in the order. I was just so excited that we mentioned siblings. And that that would be a good segue into the third house. But the plan was to do Angular succeeding cadent since Keita is the one that wraps things up. So I guess we're actually supposed to be doing the fifth house now. Not the third.

33:24

Kyle Pierce: Okay. All right. Well, yeah, I

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Shay: had to flip an extra page I was Tristan Paylor: I'm so sorry. I wasn't gonna say anything. See, I normally like I have a show outline in front of me, but I thought I don't need a show outline for this anymore. Because I know what I'm doing. And that was my first mistake was thinking that I knew what I was doing without looking at a piece of paper.

33:47

Kyle Pierce: Well, then what? What supports your, your, your fourth house, then the week, the fifth house, which is probably not everything that the fifth house means but you can get a lot from that to be like children support the existence of families, right? Can't really perpetuate a lineage or a family without making more more people.

34:14

Shay: Pick more or small people to support you and your

34:18

Kyle Pierce: historically if you had a farm, which would be a fourth house thing, property, they actually think traditionally, fourth house had to do with livelihood as well. Because mean, and even now really like most wealth, in terms of you know, what props up your socio economic status has to do with like the property that exists in your family, you know, housing, homes that get passed down, things that you inherit, but um, farms, right. You needed to make more children to, to work on your farm, you know, they were an asset, actually, really, quite literally, illegally and Throughout most of human history,

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Tristan Paylor: yeah, the sort of cultural sentiment towards children, and what they mean and what their role is in the family has definitely changed dramatically. And I think, you know, for older civilizations, that connection between the fourth and the fifth would probably make more immediate intuitive sense that, you know, children are wet support the home, children are desirable. My, my partner has been reading collection of sayings of the Buddha. And, you know, in one of the passages where he's talking about, like, not striving or being ambitious, you know, he talks about not having desire for children, like don't strive for children, because children were wealth, right, like that is interesting. Everyone wanted, you know, children to keep, keep the family livelihood going

35:53

Kyle Pierce: well, in marrying your children off to be like how you create alliances with other families as a way of creating connections for people. I think you can also though get children with the fifth house pretty easily when you think about the fact that the Fifth house is going to trine with the first house, like the inferior trying to the first house, in that, you know, the first house can sort of call upon the fifth house to some degree, but it's also like putting forth creative energy, you know, try any kind of energy into the fifth house. So it's like, a kind of just as like a blanket, fifth house, it's like the stuff that you put forth into the world. And usually the stuff that kind of pours forth, most naturally and easily. When, you know, you're enjoying things when you're enjoying yourself. So like creating art, creating music, creating this or that things that you create, because, you know, feels good, you're celebrating life. But also when you're having sex, sometimes when, depending on circumstances, you know, sometimes you naturally put forth, human,

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Shay: you're creating children. Tristan Paylor: In some cases, yes. Yeah, the fifth house is traditionally the joy of Venus, and its name and Hellenistic astrology was good fortune. So it's, you know, basically good things happening to your body, good things happening on a very sensual, tangible level. And Venusian things. So like, you were saying, Kyle, art, and music and you know, stuff that you're doing when you're feeling good stuff that you do, because it feels good things that result from you feeling good. That's all the fifth house. So it's a very, like, it's a sexy house, it's an artistic house. You know, if you're looking at your chart through the lens of, you know, thinking about your romantic life, don't just focus on the seventh house, look at the fifth house, because the fifth house can be love affairs and dating.

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Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I mean, I would say that, that was really a look at as it's the house, you know, romance and stuff, like love. When you think of the kind of going from the fourth house. You're also where you have like your feelings, your internal feelings, in the fifth house is moving towards the seventh house, to you know, towards expressing your inner heart expressing love, which, you know, I would say is different than the seventh house in the sense that, especially traditionally, marriage and love were not. There are two different things. It's nice when they overlapped, but you did not need love to have a marriage or a partnership. You didn't need a partnership to have love that are kind of two different spheres. But they have a natural compatibility. You know, the fifth house and the seventh house sextile

38:52

Unknown: you had mentioned that Venus has its joy in the fifth house and Venus is related to the Empress card. And Taro, which makes a lot of sense because the Empress is associated with fertility and creation and kind of bringing things to life. So all of those definitely line up with the fifth house topics

39:16

Kyle Pierce: you can get a lot from that. Are there like for one of the things I guess too with the fifth house that you can always like associate the fifth house with money but I really look at all the succeeding houses as having some relationship with money because they're things that support for houses that deal with resources right? In the fifth house is not so much money earned but it's funny that like you come into maybe like, just good luck, money, money you find out on the street, you know, I remember getting really excited when I was a kid because I found $20 in a bush. It's like oh my god. Gatorade for the week boys. Good fortune their good fortune.

39:57

Tristan Paylor: Yes. I like it as as the head Because of love, because as the house that supports the fourth house that makes a lot of sense, what supports the activities of the fourth house love supports the activities of the fourth house. It's you know, love that. Shelters, people, and it is love that keeps people together in you know, family communities, or you know, whether it's your biological family or your chosen family, the people that you choose to live with that you choose to share your space and your private life with the thing that ideally bonds you together and makes those relationships stable and secure is the force of love.

40:39

Unknown: Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I mean, I some cards that I would also associate with this house, kind of going along the creativity line, might be the queen of wands, because of that association with nurturing and creativity, and the magician, with creating new things and bringing things into being Ace of Wands with creative potential. Oh, yeah. So just lots of things related to things that you might create that might support your home. And also, like just 10 of cups. The card that you see 10 cups in the sky, then the happy family, with the kids and the parents kind of down below and they're home. So that idea of the fulfillment that might support your your happy home,

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Kyle Pierce: definitely, yeah. Tristan Paylor: Love that card, always happy to see the 10 of cups. That's a very good fifth house card. And I think play is another big fifth house topic. For me, that's one of the major key words that I always lean on in my interpretation that I find is relevant over and over. It's a place where we play, I think both Venus in the fifth house have a lot to do with that. And it's play as one of those like, undervalued things. I think, you know, under late stage capitalism, we don't play as seen as something that is a waste of time. It's unproductive. But it's like foundational to living things. You know, most like birds and mammals, pretty much all of us play. It's instinctive to us. And it's extremely supportive of our health and well being and how we learn how we process our emotions, how we process information, how we learn new information. We do a lot of that through play. And like, you see that, you know, kids that play, they're like processing things, they're processing information that's coming in from their environment, they're figuring out like, what, what is my place in the world? And how do I feel about these things? And what do I like doing? And how do I apply the information I've just learned? And how do I relate to people around me, like all that stuff is being figured out through play? And creative play? Especially, you know, make believe and, and stuff like that? I think that's all very fifth house stuff? Definitely.

43:00

Unknown: I think a good question you can ask yourself with this house. You know, kind of like how can I bring more play and more enjoyment and pleasure into my life? Or just kind of thinking about your relationship to learning new hobbies? You know, what kind of new hobbies might you want to try? Or is it more important to enjoy a hobby or be good at it? Some thoughts related to kind of just different journaling prompts or taro questions you can ask yourself, as well as maybe reflecting on your parenting style or your relationship with your children.

43:38

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, question about your do you have to be good at your hobbies or just enjoy them? Like, ask him the deep questions, you're saying that's a really, I'm gonna be journaling on that one. That's a big one, my my chart ruler, my ascendant ruler is in the fifth house. So I spend a lot of time thinking about it. And I mean, like, what I really want to do with my life is just professionally make believe, like, I that's all I really want to do, if I can find a way to do that. That would be great. If I can just like professionally be a wizard living in my tower would be ideal.

44:15

Kyle Pierce: I think the Fifth house is definitely a house that says a lot about you know, your relationship with, like unstructured time to some degree. Like where just just doing what you feel like doing, like when you want to do it. Which can be, you know, a good or a bad thing. But there is an interesting relationship too, with the fifth house and education and kind of like the way you're pointing, which you brought up earlier interested in, like, children learning to play. But in while traditional astrology the fifth house says a lot about like students, like you have students and people that you teach or people that you mentor, but like in Vedic Astrology, the fifth house was the house of, of education, like of really, you As a student, as well, which, you know, I think in western traditional astrology, we might look more more towards the third house for sort of early childhood education. But that also might say a bit about cultural differences between the approach to education.

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Tristan Paylor: Yeah, that's really interesting. I'd love to read more about that. Yeah, like different different systems of education, and how, you know, the education is viewed and like, what kinds of values are brought to it. And all that kind of stuff differs from culture to culture, like how what what strategies we use to teach and what we think is important to learn and know, and, well, that kind of stuff.

45:39

Unknown: Yeah, or even how structured is it? Or how much room is there for creativity?

45:46

Kyle Pierce: Play and you think about the fifth house is like, the house of hobbies, right? So if you'd like to do so if you're interested in stuff, that's fun. What are you going to be most likely to absorb information wise, like stuff, that's interesting stuff that you'd like to learn about. Which is why I was a terrible student, but I did, I learned a lot I just didn't like done, I would read during class and like, find ways to sneak learning in the things that I wanted to learn. Which is a different approach to education, as opposed to like a structured format of education that everybody receives, you know, the education that you give yourself, because it's your own personal desire and will pursuit

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Unknown: you Yeah, that makes sense. Because you know, with hobbies, and other pursuits like that, you're putting in the time and effort to learn how to do it, because it's something you enjoy, and it gives you pleasure. Yeah.

46:43

Tristan Paylor: And I'm glad you both brought up hobbies, because that's, that's a big one that I definitely use in charge interpretation. And I've seen a few charts now where there's a connection between the fifth and the second or the fifth and the 10th. And there is a way in which one's hobbies or passions become one's career or a source of livelihood. Or there's a connection between one's hobbies and passions and one's reputation or sort of interface with the public. Even if it's not like a career that pays the bills, but you know, like, if you have a hobby or a passion, and you know, maybe you're creating art or whatever, and you're sharing your art on social media, and you have a public following, so that like the public and hobbies intersect, and in some way, so you can see some of those relationships, you can see where where hobbies connect to other areas of your life as you you know, look at the fifth house ruler in your chart and what it's doing, and sort of see how those topics weave their way through other areas of your life. Yeah.

47:50

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, and then the traditional house of sex, right, the house of Venus.

47:56

Shay: That can be a fun hobby. Tristan Paylor: Everybody is everybody's got everybody's favorite. Populum true. Yeah, let's let's not forget that the ACE people exist probably the one of the most popular hobbies, but it is very popular for sure. Sevenly out there.

48:15

Kyle Pierce: Yes. It's a great way to express oneself.

48:21

Tristan Paylor: Well, and it's a form of play to write. Yes. Now these things all tie together. This all ties together very nicely.

48:29

Unknown: Yeah, I mean, just talking about hobbies, and all of that. So the planet that for me, that rules my fifth house is Jupiter. And that's associated with the Wheel of Fortune, which can be a card that talks about fate or just things shifting and changing and can also be related to good fortune. So that works works for me and this one but so I've had possibly changing and shifting hobbies over the years that I do well with, but kind of like lose interest in and then move on to other things. So from my short amount of time that I was obsessed with origami to like really complicated paper crafts and you know, playing flute, which is kind of a coming and going hobby, like I'll play for a while and then not for a while and then getting into really studying tarot cards. So like each of the hobbies that I do, I get really good at it, but then I kind of move on to something else so I think the Wheel of Fortune works well for that.

49:30

Tristan Paylor: If it's with Jupiter and the Wheel of Fortune where it's like, you know, Jupiter you get really good at them Yeah, also just having very long Yeah. Well, so I just having a lot of them Jupiter is like, all about having a lot of something.

49:48

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, definitely. I think of the thing with photography, too, though that can be its drawback, generally like the fifth house. It's like things in the fifth house are supposed to be fun. And when they stopped being fun, they stopped being in the fifth house. So I mean, and that's the danger of being it is pretty fifth house, like, you know, it's when it stops being fun you move on. And it doesn't necessarily have to be achieving a goal or something. It's almost like the drawback to of having fifth and 10th house connections. Or fifth in second house connections. It's almost like you, you want your hobbies or need your hobbies to be useful or productive in some way, to the point where you almost don't enjoy them anymore.

50:33

Unknown: If you tie your hobbies too much to your, I guess, financial goals that they stopped being fun hobbies and start being 10th House activities

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Tristan Paylor: is something that I feel too, with the ruler of my first being in the fifth where my identity is really wrapped up in, you know, my passions and hobbies and my creativity. Like I love making art. I also love origami. I love that was one of that that was one of your hobbies to share? Yes, yeah, that's, I find it so relaxing. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. It gets really wrapped up in my identity, like my sort of identity in high school was the artistic person. That was who I was, that was how I differentiated myself from the people around me. And sometimes that can have the unfortunate side effect of making things not fun anymore. Or when you know, your your passions and interests change the things that make you feel good or give you a source of creative expression change, then it's sort of like a whole existential crisis, you know, now Yeah, exactly.

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Shay: Interesting. Yeah. Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Similarly, having the ruler of my first and it's almost like I feel like I don't if I'm not creating something, then who am I? Oh, yeah,

51:50

Tristan Paylor: I totally put forth something into the world. And what am I doing? And you and I both have Mars ruling our fifth houses Kyle, which is, it's you know, that's a strange idea of fun. When Mars rules your fifth house, things you find fun. I think that is one of

52:08

Kyle Pierce: the islands. It is sort of results oriented and purposeful, fun, when it's Mars to

52:13

Tristan Paylor: construct the fun out of it. You don't you don't want to get like results too mixed up. And if if I mean, I don't know, your mileage may vary. I shouldn't shouldn't paint too broad of a picture. Because the thing like when it comes to what we think of as fun, that's so incredibly subjective. And there are people for whom like, the really like technical nitty gritty aspect of something is what is fun for them, or like perfecting something that is the source of fun, or like criticizing something like finding all the problems with something some people that is genuinely like, they get a genuine sense of enjoyment and fulfillment out of it. So from the outside, it might not seem like fun, but it's played to the person who's doing it. So I think you know, I got to be careful with that where it's like because it's so subjective, it's easy for me to go like bringing too much you know, sort of being too results oriented about it could be like a buzzkill. And while that can often be the case, for some people, that's exactly you know, like making to do lists is fun for some people, that's an enjoyable pastime.

53:20

Unknown: I'm in that category. I love I love a good list. crossing things off my list is satisfying, very enjoyable, very satisfying.

53:35

Tristan Paylor: One of the first things that Kyle and I bonded over when we realized that we have the same chart is really liking horror movies. And like sort of the dark stuff being you know, part of like how we have fun and enjoy ourselves. Which is very Mars ruling the fifth I think even more so for you, Kyle, because your Mars is in the eighth house. So it's just like, yeah, just get as dark as possible.

54:05

Kyle Pierce: Well, and it makes sense to that's why it makes sense to me to have cancer as the first house of the cosmos because Scorpios is cosmos is fifth house. And you know, the cosmos of the universe, whatever has a really dark sense of humor.

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Tristan Paylor: It has a twisted sense of humor. It's a twisted idea.

54:24

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, really messed up idea of a good time. But you know, the sooner you can appreciate that the better your time in the cosmos, I think will be

54:35

Unknown: the dark sense of humor. Now, I didn't have a whole lot of luck coming up with spread positions for the fifth house. It doesn't seem like there's anything that immediately comes to mind other than maybe environments because of you know, children in your life that might also be part of your environment or hopes related to maybe what you're hoping to create or bring into the world

54:59

Tristan Paylor: seems like a good One for a house that's called good fortune. I feel like we definitely store a lot of hope in our fifth house. Like we want to be happy. The Fifth house is very much about like, the joy that we find in in more sort of like tangible ways.

55:16

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I think the 11th house really gets associated with hope. But with all these houses, the opposite house ends up having some overlapping significations because they're staring at each other all the time.

55:29

Tristan Paylor: They can't get away from each other, but constantly, Unknown: like thinking of it that way.

55:35

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, the fifth and the 11th are definitely places where you can you can find a lot of hopes and dreams and wishes for the future.

55:43

Kyle Pierce: And it's like the Fifth house is like, speaking of like, opposite houses, you know, the person the seventh or opposite house is right. There you have the first house and the seventh house is another person. But in the fifth house is a place where you both meet in like, a happy way. Yeah. Because it's sextile to seven than trying the first. Oh, yeah.

56:03

Happy meeting point. Tristan Paylor: I like that. I think I am going to promote the fifth as the relationship house had enough of the seventh and it's tired upon parts of the relation. Yeah, the stuff that makes you actually feel good about the relationship that makes you want to stay? It's like, what makes it worth it? Yeah.

56:25

Unknown: Like that. For for activities for this house. I think it's just, you know, hobbies related to taking on a new hobby or picking up an abandoned hobby, or just any, any activities that you do for pleasure, I think would would fit into this. So nothing specific. But any, any pleasurable activities, and creative activities. Yeah. And sexual activities.

56:50

Kyle Pierce: Sex fun and making making sure, yeah, they can be paint,

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Tristan Paylor: or painted picture, raise a child.

56:59

Kyle Pierce: And all those things support a legacy. Right? Tristan Paylor: That's true. Yeah, fourth house. And I always think of stuff that we do for recreation, like, you know, going to a movie or going to a sports game or an amusement park, which, you know, we're obviously limited in our ability to do those things. Now. A lot of that a lot of our fun stuff we kind of have to do online, but you have things things that you do solely for recreation, you know, what do you do on the weekend? Where do you take your kids on the weekend? You know, you take them to the zoo, or you take them to the movies? That's the fifth house?

57:29

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Well, and yeah, and maybe as we get into some of the other houses, that the relationship between the fifth house and other houses, I think becomes important. You and understanding the White House is interact with each other. But we'll we'll cross that bridge,

57:47

Tristan Paylor: we will get there, should we move on to the third,

57:53

Unknown: third house will transition transition to the house, the cadent house,

58:00

Kyle Pierce: transition as it transitions Yes. Tristan Paylor: And appropriately transiting. Appropriately, it is the house where the moon has its joy, and the moon is all about movement, and adaptability and flexibility and change. So you know, the moon is happy. And in a cadent house where, you know, things are in this state of transition and movement from one state to another all the time.

58:25

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, it's traditionally called the House of the of the Goddess, while the ninth house is the house of God. And well, I don't want to get too far into this tangent. I have a theory, I guess a bit about the third house. Which will be you know, it's not where to necessarily where do you look for your mother, or mother's, per se, but there is something to do with the third house and the things that tend to get associated with the things that mothers do, which is like the taking care of your day to day stuff. But it's not necessarily the stuff that gets like the that you get all the credit for, you know, the ninth house, just think about movies, so many movies about plots of stories where a father dies. And suddenly everybody is going through this big, deep personal change, the whole family kind of gathers. They all come from all across the world, or not the world but the country, they they drop their lives, they come and they go through this big metamorphosis. You know, just maybe like your ninth house experience of that, like one off trip that one off excursion or experience. It's more of like single events you get with the ninth house while the third house is more. It's just like your day to day stuff. It's like making dinner. It's making your drive to work and you're grocery shopping.

59:46

Shay: Yeah, so the short trips where it's easy to get back home.

59:50

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, but it encompasses so much of your day

59:53

Tristan Paylor: was a very lunar because you know, the Moon is always making making trips and making them quickly. So you others, you know, going around the corner and back, making all these little trips was very lunar.

1:00:07

Kyle Pierce: It's like everything that gets edited out of a movie. You know, when you watch a movie and you're watching a two hour movie that takes place over, you know, maybe it's the span of a week or a year. Everything that has to do with that third house is gone. Unless you're watching a Studio Ghibli and this is Tristan, this is Tristan, this point, I think was the what's his name,

1:00:28

Tristan Paylor: and I always forget if it's jibley or Ghibli for such a big fan of the studios films, I cannot for the life of me remember how to pronounce the word because I've heard people pronounce it various ways. And I I think the issue is that I read more than listen, you know, like I don't listen to interviews on YouTube or whatever I read things so the however I pronounce things in my head becomes how I pronounced them forever. But anyways, yeah, Miyazaki is is the sort of primary director behind the studio although there are other directors. It's a Japanese animation studio that is responsible for movies like Princess Mononoke a spirited away the secret world of very Eddie Ponyo house Moving Castle like all these these movies that you know are probably familiar to a lot of people My Neighbor Totoro, literally, you know, the third house is the house of neighbors. It literally has the word neighbor in the title. I think if you want to understand the third house, watch My Neighbor Totoro. That entire movie takes place. In the third house. The whole thing is about the third house. It's about your local neighborhood, your daily routine, your daily chores, is short short journeys. That you know usually center on the family and your immediate neighbors. And now it's like I wonder if it's sort of a cultural thing where in like American cinema it's all about these really like once in a lifetime, exceptional events and all of the day to day life stuff gets edited out. Whereas music is films, there's a huge emphasis on the day to day and on. And like the third house is a very, very spiritual house. And Zach his films are really rooted in an animistic worldview, where like, The world is full of life, like everything is filled with spirits. And so you see, you know, in his movies this real sense of like the spiritual in the daily routine that it's you know, your your chores are not just chores but they are like deeply invested with meaning and you are actually

1:02:41

interacting with the divine through your daily life. It's really beautiful.

1:02:47

Kyle Pierce: It's really where you find most of your your spiritual connection. You know, the ninth house is a bit more of like your Easter mass, but you're saying prayers at the beginning of every meal, maybe your Sunday Mass you know that you go to every week, the little you know, crucifix the thing that you wear

1:03:09

Tristan Paylor: prayer beads or meditation beads or you you know you like candles at home if you have like a personal shrine or altar in your house, you know that that kind of stuff is the third house where both the third and the ninth are really rich. Yeah.

1:03:24

Shay: Yeah. And that's really interesting because in the you know, the moon gets his has his Choi in the third house. And the moon is associated with the High Priestess, card and Taro. So there's definitely a spiritual connection there. Yeah,

1:03:37

Kyle Pierce: what other kind of like, I don't know cards that might signify like your day, managing your day, like your day to day stuff? Yeah, so

1:03:44

Shay: I was thinking of, yeah, two of Pentacles definitely, because that's kind of balancing out the daily routines that you have and kind of making everything putting things in their place. So you're not overwhelmed by one task or another, and the daily juggle. Also, maybe eight of wands, because you're it's that quick movement. So that kind of is similar to you know, the moon's quick movement and having those those short trips to get places quickly. Oh, yeah. I was thinking of three of cups for the sense of community, and your joyful interactions with people who are close to you. So either, you know, siblings or people who are close, like siblings. Maybe the chariot for travel.

1:04:27

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, like that. Yeah. Well, that's. Yeah. And it's got like the Rider Waite has Moon symbols on the card too, right. Yeah, yeah, that's Mooney but being in motion. I think a lot about the connection between the third house the moon, religion and community where, you know, being from North America and you know, being of like European Christian descent, the calendar that I follow Always very similar. And there isn't like I don't have as much of a cultural connection with the moon. Whereas in like a lot of cultures throughout history, the moon was used to keep time and used to determine the days of festivals. So like, if you are part of a community, you know, a religious festival is a time when your community gets together and you eat together and you talk and you feel connected. And a lot of that has been governed by the moon.

1:05:31

Kyle Pierce: And that made me makes me think a bit about that moon component in like modern astrology, the fourth house gets associated with cancer and the moon and saving the moon has like some basic topical compatibility with the fourth house, but you know, the third house having its joy, or at the moon, having its joy in the third house, we can make sense in the context that your third house really tells you a lot about kind of the other members of your family to like your siblings, friends, specifically, siblings tend to be one of the main significations of the third house, I wouldn't say the most important one, but relevant. And I would say like peers in general, people that are you know, you would consider peers, classmates of your student or people roughly equivocal to you.

1:06:21

Shay: Yeah, and the people that you interact with on a daily basis, like classmates and siblings that you can get away from and

1:06:29

Kyle Pierce: not superiors or what are your subordinates but you know, your your peers.

1:06:34

Tristan Paylor: And I think of if you go to the same grocery store every Sunday and you see the same clerk, you know, that person is in your as a third house kind of relationship. You know, the mechanic that you go to, you know, is is you know, third house connection. Yeah, acquaintances.

1:06:51

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, and actually, one of the angles that I've been more recently looking at the third house from this kind of weird from the western perspective, but the end Vedic Astrology, the third house is this kind of ambitious house. Like a five of wands, he kind of house maybe it's very competitive, it says supposed to say a lot about your, your willpower, how you get things done, how you achieve, you know, and your will to achieve, and your will to conquer, right? Which seems like a lot for the third house, especially when it's the joy of the moon. But there are ways that I've been able to like reconcile that. And just thinking of the third house is kind of like your get up and go, your your initiative, like, you know, your ability to wake up and smell the coffee. I want to know how much how much coffee do you need in the morning?

1:07:45

Tristan Paylor: Let's talk about like discipline to have a daily routine. Yeah, not just stay in bed forever, but actually, like, get up and the just thinking about, you know, the moon and its connection to time, and specifically to very short cycles of time. You know, like the moon tracks months? I definitely connect the moon and the third house with how you time things day to day, like what time do you eat your meals? You know, what time do you do you have like time limits on you know, how long if you're working for yourself? Like how do you schedule that you place time limits on how long you work. And when you take breaks, like you know, I've been doing a thing when I study where I study for 20 minutes, then take a five minute break and study for 20 minutes and take a five minute break. And I have a timer set for those little very short chunks of time. So I think all of that kind of stuff is very third house and like, I guess you do, maybe there is a point there where you can kind of reconcile the Vedic significations with the Western ones a little where it's like you do actually have to have some energy and motivation to schedule your life that way. Like it takes some discipline,

1:08:59

Kyle Pierce: when it takes like, yeah, a willingness to, to assert that to like, even like you have to be like, No, I can't, I can't, I'm not flexible on this, because this is how I do things. And you may not necessarily want to be as amenable to other people's agendas as your own. I'm not, you know, it's actually something I'm studying. So I'm not. I'm testing it a little bit. And I can find, you know, some of those qualities there with the third house so far. It's been just a little food for thought. But it makes sense in your, your How do you achieve things, you know, by literally the boots on the ground stuff that you do every day really how you manage your routine, and your day to day is going to have a lot to do with whether you're successful or not.

1:09:42

Shay: Yeah, and that was that was one of the questions that I wrote down. Sorry. As for journaling on the third house is what makes up my daily routine. And, you know, how do I set myself up for success in my routine, you know, or even like, how can you make your hair Daily travels or daily routines more enjoyable. Yeah,

1:10:04

Tristan Paylor: I like that like finding the magic. And I think that's what I love about me as Zacchaeus films so much is that like, they really reveal the magic in the day to day. And you know, when you're so focused on this sort of like exceptional once in a lifetime events, you miss out on the magic that is ever present, like the, I think Dimitra George talks a lot about the third house and its connection to like witchcraft and like nature based pagan movements that have been, you know, growing a lot in recent years. Where, you know, the, the third house is more of those sorts of like Earth or nature based forms of spirituality, that, you know, have more to do with, like, for example, you know, a common practice in modern witchcraft is if you have coffee or tea in the morning, and you know, you put sugar in them stir intentions or stir spell into your morning coffee or tea. And so like your daily routine becomes part of your spellcraft it becomes part of your connection to the spiritual realm, when you sweep the floor, you know, you're you're sweeping away negativity, or you're sweeping away things that you want to let go of all that kind of stuff and that I like that as a as a journaling question. Like, how do you make those daily routines more enjoyable? I feel like for me, a big part of the answer to that is like finding the magic in them and making them into magic. And like, you know, someone with a daily practice like ways like connect to the gods, where it's like, mercury, for example, is not just some sort of like, abstract, far off. Being that isn't connected to people like mercury is the mail service. When I go to check my mail. I am like with with mercury, like, I am physically tangibly touching the divine when I go to check my mail. So yeah, like finding finding that in your in your day to day life, I think it's really important.

1:12:14

Shay: The daily magic and connecting routines to your spirituality are like that.

1:12:19

Kyle Pierce: You think about like, you know, the cadent houses, right? They're supposed to the kind of what falls away from the angles, what falls away from the fourth or maybe works against it to some degree, sometimes we're undoes it a little bit. And you think about siblings being the third house and traditionally, if you know, you had an estate, the fourth house, fewer a lowered, especially in you had a castle and a land. If you had too many kids, there was a problem. You know, if you had a bunch of siblings, and you were in line to inherit that, that estate, most of the time it would end up happening is that estate would be divided between all the different siblings, which would kind of erode the, the estate itself,

1:13:06

Tristan Paylor: sort of their competition is sibling, sibling competition and rivalry. Rivalry

1:13:12

Shay: can be five of wands, which too many people are sticks.

1:13:18

Kyle Pierce: Which, with the moon, you know, the moon, it desires things, it wants stuff. And I think that maybe one of the harder edges of the moon is is sort of capitalistic nature. You know, it's a collector that wants to collect and accumulate things. So the moon might not be so uncompetitive.

1:13:41

Shay: It's not as, it's not as peaceful as we all think.

1:13:46

Tristan Paylor: Well, the most intense entrepreneurs I've known have all been Cancerian it's all been like Sun Moon or ascendant and cancer. Yeah, the moon wants security and it will work hard to get Yeah, well, they will fight you for it.

1:14:07

Kyle Pierce: It'll, it'll stick Mars, Mars. Tristan Paylor: That's it sex mate Mars.

1:14:14

Unknown: I did I thought of spread possession. So environments maybe because of the connection to the neighborhood and your you know, routines. So that could be cards representing the environments, your environments. Yeah, like that. I have Saturn ruling my third house so I guess that relates to my love of daily structure.

1:14:42

Tristan Paylor: You're really good at list Unknown: making. Yeah. And the Saturn is associated with the World card and I think of that as like the structures that bring harmony or that help things to get completed. So my my enjoyment for daily creating daily habits and start assures to bring more harmony to my day, through having some predictability and some structure. And I don't know, like restricting the time spent doing things that aren't productive, just so I can get things done and reach, reach the world, whatever nation looks like for me,

1:15:23

Tristan Paylor: when I'm checking things off to do lists are like small world moments, it's that moment of completion, you're standing on top of that task, like you're standing on top of the world.

1:15:35

Shay: Just defeated you. Kyle Pierce: Conquering checklist,

1:15:41

Tristan Paylor: I always forget, for some reason that my third house ruler is in the 10th. And I have been trying to think about that more because like, my public persona is as an astrologer, and someone who takes a very pagan approach to astrology as well. And you know, the third house is spirituality. And I think you can fit divination in there as well. And the fact that it's below the horizon to like I sometimes it's associated with the moon, I sometimes think of dreams as well. But I think that like lunar divination, and spirituality is maybe a bit different from solar, divination and spirituality, where the ninth house is more about prophecy and may be right, you know, like trying to know the future and know things that you're not otherwise supposed to be able to know. And that's really not the focus of divination. For me, it's more about like, how do I get in touch with the divine? And how do I get in touch with nature? Like astrology is more for me about getting in touch with the seasons? And with, like, celestial spirits or planetary deities, or however you want to conceptualize them and like how do I work with them and like CO create with them? So it's yeah, it's interesting that like, that is in my 10th house, which is all about like career and in public image and what have you. Yeah, I

1:17:03

Kyle Pierce: feel like you're much more structured and disciplined on a day to day basis and I am

1:17:07

Tristan Paylor: I don't know about that. It's my third house ruler is mercury in Aries. So it's been a real fight to get myself these she's got the Saturn ruled third house and is like a master of time. You are a master of time management, che. It's like you've got oh my god, moon and Capricorn in the third house and Saturn ruling it from the second so you are you are Lord of time che.

1:17:34

Shay: Well, and I have I have a job that requires extremely structured dedication to to time as getting tasks done and creating my own schedule for the day and helping others to create schedules and stay on task and all those kinds of things you know, as a as an online teacher, so that I'm well suited for it, but it's definitely not a job for everybody.

1:18:01

Tristan Paylor: It's really well to the third house ruler being in the second house of livelihood and third house being like early education and routines and that's literally how you how you pay your bills is by helping people establish routines and teaching them

1:18:16

Shay: I enjoy that oddly enough so then just for activities are ways to participate with your third house, taking short trips, maybe enjoyable, making, making your daily trips more more fun. Exploring your neighborhoods, so are there places that you don't go that you could make part of your routine you know, driving in a different way and seeing other parts of your neighborhood or participating in neighborhood events and connecting more with with the people around you?

1:18:50

Kyle Pierce: Definitely. is almost like the sun, moon and Mercury conjunct in Sagittarius in the third house. And so it makes friends with everybody like just like chats with everybody around her and like it's very tuned in to the locals and locality the neighbors even chats the neighbors makes friends with the neighbors

1:19:10

Tristan Paylor: and that kind of person is on like a first name basis with you know, their barista and the person working at the convenience store and probably brings you know, holiday gifts over to their neighbors and all that nice stuff.

1:19:23

Kyle Pierce: Oh, yeah, definitely that type. Like me. Third house we were in the 11th house is I just I spent all the time daydreaming this time? Yeah. Now thinking about other things. I mean, that's maybe I also have a south node in the third house to like to keep my daily routines as simple as possible so I can make time

1:19:46

Shay: for other things. You're not making lists with me?

1:19:50

Kyle Pierce: No, I mean, I could benefit from doing it more often.

1:19:54

Shay: When we it doesn't bring you joy the way it brings me joy.

1:19:58

Kyle Pierce: No, it doesn't know when we you've Tristan Paylor: both got Mercury ruling or third houses Kyle, which is the magician card or Ha, yeah. So I've got the magician up in my in my 10th house ruling the third and you've got the magician in your 11th house ruling the third Kyle. So that's pretty interesting since we're both astrologers. And those are both very public career oriented houses in their own way. Yeah,

1:20:23

Kyle Pierce: one, I guess I podcasts would also fall under the third house,

1:20:28

Tristan Paylor: right? Oh, communication is another one that we didn't really talk about.

1:20:33

Kyle Pierce: And just things like regular Unknown: publications. Yeah, that's it, I was gonna say regular publication. It's part of your your routine and your schedule to record them and set publish them and all the things that go into it.

1:20:45

Kyle Pierce: Just imagining somebody wanted to spend a lot with people on YouTube, just film everything that they do.

1:20:52

Tristan Paylor: Oh, like the Kyle Pierce: holidays, if you're shopping guys. While it was bringing all the third house activities online,

1:20:59

Tristan Paylor: some of the like, ASMR videos and stuff too, or it's like, or videos that are just meant to be soothing, or it's just like, here's the video of somebody organizing their beach collection. And it's just like, satisfying to watch. And it's like satisfying to see this like beautifully organized array of pretty objects or like, you know, the ASMR videos where it's just like 10 minutes of makeup sounds or somebody's making paper crafts. And it's just like the sound of paper being cut and all that kind of stuff. I guess that's sort of like the third house becoming visible.

1:21:32

Unknown: There was a when I was having trouble sleeping a few years back, there was a meditation app, that one of the sleep stories was you're at a laundry mat, and like the sounds of the laundry mat. And then just It was basically a description of these are the people you know, this person is doing this at this machine. And this person is just walked in and looks like this. And it was so peaceful. I love that, like how I fell asleep for like a month.

1:21:59

Tristan Paylor: Oh, the laundromat is such a third house place. That's amazing. That would be so soothing. I love I love doing laundry. And I grew up in high rise apartment buildings. So I always did laundry communally. It was like the big laundry room that had like shelves of books like all the Reader's Digest book collections and stuff on the shelves and like the comfy couches, so people could sit there and read while they did their laundry. And that's how like you would see all the people who lived in your building and all the different families and you'd watch people's kids grow up because you'd just be sitting down there doing the laundry,

1:22:35

Unknown: it pulls in the routine and the neighborhood.

1:22:38

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, well, and even like, you know, the fourth and the fifth parents being part of that Angular triad, like literally seeing people's children age, because I lived for so many years at one apartment building, and I would just do the laundry. And that is how I would encounter people's families and be like, Oh, my God, you know, little, little Johnny is growing up very fast.

1:23:00

Kyle Pierce: Well, so what should be named as angular trying out, then you got first Angular to try out the triad of self with B, family and foundations. We're

1:23:09

Tristan Paylor: gonna say it's like, it's like the triad of love or the heart. You know, it's like, what's at the heart of

1:23:16

Kyle Pierce: the substance? Life? Tristan Paylor: Yeah, the people that you are closest to, and the places that you're closest to the hobbies and daily routines that, you know, are everything that's familiar. It's like a place of familiarity.

1:23:32

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Because you've got Emily and familiar. Yeah,

1:23:37

Unknown: the things that are familiar in your home, the things that are that you create, that are familiar, and the the places around your home that are familiar.

1:23:48

Tristan Paylor: Alright, so shall we move on to the angular triad or on the seventh house?

1:23:55

Kyle Pierce: Absolutely. Shay: Sure. Tristan Paylor: I think most most listeners who are familiar with the houses at all probably be very familiar with the seventh house because I think one of the most common questions astrologers get asked is about relationships. And it is, famously the house of relationships.

1:24:14

Kyle Pierce: Definitely, yeah, really define the seventh house probably the most easily by noting that it is the opposite of the first house. The first house being the house of the self. The seventh house is very much the house of others. The other in a sense, your significant other, but also, you know, just kind of other people to some degree, but like people you're in close partnership with people that you spend a lot of time with people that you encounter a lot but there's kind of a weird and it's almost like a theme that you'll start to see. And then maybe it's like a theme of the way we've been talking about all this stuff with like the houses and or the signs and planets and everything is that like the opposite. House kind of bleeds topically in with the other house, which is maybe the least evident with the first and seventh. But your two that the the way that you relate to other people the way that you're you engage in relationships with people.

1:25:18

Unknown: Yeah, I'm also thinking about, like the merging of the self with others when you have those partnerships, too.

1:25:25

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Which might get a little more into like the eighth house,

1:25:28

Tristan Paylor: I think, yeah, I think that is really important. Because the the funny thing about this whole Angular triad is that the major unifying theme of the sixth, seventh and eighth houses is death. So

1:25:40

Shay: the end of the Tristan Paylor: fall, so the seventh house being sort of where you end and other people begin is interesting. I don't know when I think of diurnal motion, the sun sets in the seventh house, which is why traditionally, the seventh house was associated with death. Because that is where the sun leaves the sky visibly and sort of descends into the underworld. But it's funny because like, technically, the sun isn't actually going into the underworld, it's just visiting the other hemisphere. So it's sort of like, you know, that that light, that light has to be shared between two hemispheres of the earth. So when you know, the light is not shining, in your hemisphere, it is shining for people in the opposite hemisphere. So there's a sort of like, give think up of the light, I think, you know, as a way of interpreting it, or like the first house is your own light. And then the seventh house is about sharing that light.

1:26:42

Kyle Pierce: I love that. Tristan, that was brilliant. Yeah, that's the

1:26:44

Shay: perfect marriage or partnership.

1:26:48

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, yeah. It's like not, you know, it's time for it's nighttime for us. But on the other side of the world, it's, it's dawn,

1:26:54

Tristan Paylor: it is also traditionally a house of open enemies, the seventh house. So you know, it can be sharing your life by you know, giving it away, or merging your life with somebody else. But it can also be having your lights stolen by, you know, people who are against you standing in opposition to you in some way.

1:27:15

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. And really, this is kind of like the darkest, really, in the sense the darkest kind of triad, because it is dealing with the dealing with this topic of death. Enemies in sort of different ways with all of them. I've been really reading a lot of the awfulness of ADESA who was a eighth century military astrologer, and literally, he would plan battles for the kala I can't remember which dynasty it is, but you may have dynasty maybe game plan battles for for the king. And if you do it with astrology, and the seventh house was literally you know, the enemy person that you're attacking. And the eighth and sixth was all associated with the the opposing side.

1:28:05

Tristan Paylor: Isn't that how it works too and people try to predict sports matches with astrology is the seventh Paris's the opposing team. It's the rival team. And the first house is your team.

1:28:14

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. And it's funny how, I don't know we get really complicated meanings to I think with this triad, because, you know, you get enemies, people working against you, but you get also the people that you are closest with. I want to say Austin Copic might have said this that, like your 11th house is like your friends, people that you hang out with, but your seventh house is people that you can call at three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, that's a good distinction. You know, your seventh house is like your enemies, in the sense your open enemies if you have them, but also people that are like, really literally the closest to you. frenemies? Yeah, we have the most complicated relationships really, with the people

1:28:53

Tristan Paylor: closest to you, that's a really good point. And I feel like there's, there's sort of a tendency, now that I'm saying this, I want to see if I can find some research on this, because I do notice, anecdotally a tendency and I know that other people have made this observation for people to be the most difficult to the people they're closest to, like, we're trying to, we're on our best behavior for people that we don't know, as well. We're trying to make a good impression on you know, we're showing them sort of the, the, I guess, 10th house version of us, you know, the version of us that we want people to see the image that we want to project whereas in our most intimate relationships like a long term partnership or with a family member or even your your best friend, you know, they they see all of you warts and all and, you know, there's this sort of like, well, this person has to be there for me no matter what, so I can push them further than I can push other people who are going you know, like, my partner has to be as you know, sworn to be there for me so I can push their buttons. But you know, somebody, somebody I don't know as well you know, has a lot Got more freedom to leave. So I think there's like, you know, a bit of a psychological tendency there sometimes for us to be harder on the people we love the most ironically, and a tendency that we all have to really watch out for, you know, taking people for granted, or kind of going like, well, you know, because you're so loyal to me, that means I can take you for granted.

1:30:21

Kyle Pierce: And this is not a verbatim quote, but if it was Larry David in Curb Your Enthusiasm, he was basically saying that, you know, he's only, like, it's only nice to people he didn't want basically is all like, your friends are people that it's like safe to be a jerk to. But I think there is that I mean, that component, like, you know, it's safe to be, you know, people that it's safe to argue with, you're not you're not putting on airs,

1:30:48

Unknown: I'm also thinking about this being part of the setting sighs So this is letting some of that darkness be seen by the people who you're close to.

1:30:58

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, that can be a positive thing, potentially, to you know, where the people that you're closest to see the real you and, like, accept you and love you flaws. And all. You know, you don't like you're saying you don't have to put on airs for the people in your seventh house.

1:31:17

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, and I mean, really, when you're thinking about, like the sign, opposite of another sign, like you really can see that sign, probably more clearly than any other. You know, you see what's in front of you, you see the person in front of you that you're facing directly. It's like kind of warts and all.

1:31:35

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, yeah, having that very direct view of somebody. I think interpretation wise, I sometimes struggle to reconcile two ways of looking at the seventh house. In ancient astrology, it very much described like your marriage partner, your open enemies, people you're in contractual relationships with. And so the seventh house ruler, is not you, it's not how you operate in relationships, it's not what you want out of relationships, it's just the people that you end up in relationships with it is literally the person that you marry or get into a contract with or whatever. Versus them or sort of, you know, psychological view of looking at it as Who are you actually looking for in a relationship? Or what sort of relationship style works for you? And I do tend to find it's not always clearly one or the other.

1:32:38

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I mean, the way that I reconcile that is that, you know, when you spend a lot of time, it's actually just like, a really obvious thing. If you, you know, spend a lot of time with somebody, you're in a relationship with them, you live together, even, you start to become more and more like each other, as time goes on. And it's kind of part of why divorces are so difficult, many reasons is that when people spend so much time together, it's like they lose part of themselves. Like finding themselves again, is really difficult. So, I would say that, you know, it's gonna maybe depend a little bit on what the planet ruling your seventh house is doing. But like Planets in the seventh house, are going to be in a really good position to have a lot of influence on the first house because they're, you know, staring down the barrel.

1:33:30

Unknown: Yeah, that's interesting. My seventh house is Taurus, and it's ruled by Venus. So now I'm kind of thinking about is that, you know, maybe balance and stability related to the Empress card and Taro, so am I, the nurturing one in the relationship? Or am I looking for someone who is going to nurture and put me first, you know, so I'm not sure whether that would represent my husband or myself. But I do like I do like that the Empress has a connection with nature because my husband and I had our first date at a park. So that kind of connects. Do you

1:34:11

Kyle Pierce: know what your husband's rising sign is?

1:34:15

Unknown: Not off the top of my head, but I can. No, actually, no, don't I try not to look into

1:34:24

Tristan Paylor: this was very wise. Unknown: Yeah. I don't want to be noticed by that. But it is it is kind of an interesting thing to think about when you're saying with the is that you know, representing how you want to be in partnership or how you are in partnership.

1:34:41

Kyle Pierce: When they end up being almost indistinguishable after a certain amount of time. Yeah. Especially as you get like older like you and actually I just wanted this seventh house. significations to is it's the end of life, kind of you at the end of life. It's one of the traditional significations anyway, but um, you about to say, yeah. You know, think of it just like things that we teach kids, like treat other people the way you want to be treated you project. You know, there's like a lot of mirroring that happens in relationships. And often we project, things that we do tend to project behavior on to, to people that were close to

1:35:26

Shay: us. Yeah. And I think, sorry, go ahead.

1:35:28

Tristan Paylor: No, you go ahead. Sure. Unknown: I think some some questions that you can ask yourself related to this house into partnerships in general, might be kind of like, what is the condition of my close partnership? How can I improve my relationship? Or, you know, how can I strengthen the bond with my partner or with people that are close to me, so any kind of reflections on the partnerships in your life, I think, are, are good to ask related to this house. And I also thought about, as far as cards related to this house, the two that stood out to me the most were the lovers, you know, for obvious reasons. And the two of cups just because of that, that partnership aspect, and the sharing bag goes, you know, often that card is shown with two people who are kind of trading cups with each other. Yeah,

1:36:21

Tristan Paylor: I think there's another unifying theme of this whole Angular triad of the sixth, seventh, and eighth is selflessness. That is one thing that connects them all. And the two of cups is that sort of, you know, exchange of what I have and what you have, and everything that, you know, we have is now shared between us, it's, it's like giving up individual ownership over something in order to share it with somebody else. So even though you know, at face value, it might seem like these three houses being thematically connected is strange, I think there really is an underlying unity there. Where, you know, with the, the first house and that whole Angular triad, we're really concerned with what is ours, who we are, how well we're able to sort of hold our self image together. And then with the opposite Angular triad is more about what other people need from us and what we're willing to give to other people and what kinds of you know, there's there's a big theme of service that I think ties these three houses together, are we willing to be of service to other people to like, make sacrifices of our time and energy and resources in order to have relationships or to take care of others?

1:37:46

Kyle Pierce: Absolutely. That is one thing that you can really, you're trying to look at, like interpreting planets in those houses, any three of them, especially if like the ruler of the first house is, in any of those three houses you're dealing with. The self really is being defined by the relationship with other people, topics that are very much intertwined with other people's affairs. And that can get pretty deep. I guess a lot of what I want to say I want to save for the eighth and the sixth, because that's where you get the more complicated versions of maybe the straightforward relationships with other people, which is already innately complicated. Setting aside your needs, like where do your needs, intersect with other people's needs? How do you find compromise between those two things? And actually, the seventh house is also associated with the courts. Trenches, right. settling disputes. Yeah,

1:38:41

Tristan Paylor: arbitration and mediation and

1:38:43

Kyle Pierce: arbitration. I'm, yeah, if you have like a

1:38:47

Tristan Paylor: Oh, I'm just I'm looking outside right now. I'm literally watching the sunset. And the sun is in the seventh house. Currently. I think it's probably pretty common that if you live with other people, if any meal of the day is shared, it's usually dinner when the sun is in the seventh house. It's dinner time generally. Oh, yeah. So I I'm just depending on the time a year but yeah, I mean it's definitely yeah it's it's it's setting when it's dinner to that

1:39:19

Unknown: that's that's our activity to engage in for your seventh house is have dinner with a loved

1:39:25

Tristan Paylor: one. Yeah, I love that. That

1:39:27

Kyle Pierce: is really it's a good point. Interesting because yeah, but sort of the sun being in the eighth, seventh or sixth is really that evening time when you're spending time with

1:39:37

Tristan Paylor: family a retired from from the active, busy, visible work day. And you know, you've gone inside for the day and the wider world cannot see you. I think that's an interesting contrast that happens with all the angular houses where you know, the 10th house is very public. And then the fourth house which is opposite is Very private. And you see the same kind of thing going on with the first and seventh a little bit where the first house is very public. And then the seventh house is a little bit more, you know, like you're going home at the end of the day. And the world cannot look at you anymore. It's just, you know, the people you're in significant one on one relationships with who gets to see you in the seventh house.

1:40:20

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, well, yeah, the first house is really about where things become visible. So going from invisibility to visibility, and the seventh is where things go from visibility to not visible anymore. And then even with the ape house, you get the sun and that sort of weird spot in the sky, where you have to put your visor up in your car, to keep it from getting in your eyes, you know. And then the sixth, you know, it's already below, it's below the below the horizon. And it's about as far away from rising again, as it can be.

1:40:57

Tristan Paylor: One sort of interpretive thing you can do if you're looking at your own chart, and you're looking at the ruler of your seventh house, or any planets in your seventh house, and you have a long term partner, or someone you're in some sort of contractual relationship with, or potentially even an open enemy, you know, if you're a little edgy, and you've got some open enemies, and think about how well that planet or those planets represent those people. So I know for me that the planets, both the planet ruling my seventh house, and the planets that are in my seventh house, are very similar, like they described by partner like pretty much to a tee, which is kind of freaky and fun. Yeah. Oh,

1:41:41

Kyle Pierce: yeah. I mean, I guess I mean, I think stated enough on the show I'm interested in I are both with Capricorn rising, right. Yes, sir. Rising risings. And

1:41:54

Tristan Paylor: now we're becoming our seventh houses as we're getting older, we're becoming Capricorn rising, because it's old age seven. Yeah.

1:42:04

Kyle Pierce: Well, I think it's also maybe worth noting, too, and this is significant, interpretive principle charts is that, you know, if you have a planet, making an aspect to your ascendant, the degree of your ascendant, especially within three degrees, it's, you know, going to have a lot of influence on your character. So if you have a planet, like on your descendant, that is going to say a lot about people that you're in relationships with, but it, you know, might be in a position to have a lot of influence on you as well. And that can be a tricky thing, too. I think, when we're examining the seventh house is, I like to, I guess, when I'm talking to clients is to help people maybe take some ownership over their seventh house, too. Yeah. As opposed to just projecting all of it on to other people. Because I think, especially if you have like a lot of Planets in the seventh house, we do tend to not own those qualities easily. And yet, there often is important stuff, there are important lessons to be learned.

1:43:00

Tristan Paylor: Just you know, being being your own seven paragraphs, I think can be a valuable lesson to learn, like being able to provide for your own. No person is an island. And you know, we can't be without each other. We are not solitary creatures, but to some extent, like being able to, you know, provide for your own emotional needs. And like, spend time in your own company. And like, keep yourself company and like, love and take care of yourself and sort of provide the things for yourself that you're looking for in other people in the seventh house can be a valuable skill to develop. And you know, taking some ownership over your seventh house stuff can definitely be part of that.

1:43:39

Kyle Pierce: Definitely, before we move to the eighth house, I know Tristan, and I've been noticing lately, we've been sharing charts a little bit here and there of how many celebrities, like singers actors have the ruler of the first house in the seventh house up? And how

1:43:57

Tristan Paylor: just you become what other people need, I guess.

1:44:00

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Well, it's like, you wouldn't think of the seventh house as being a house of performance, per se, but a lot of performance performers are really wrapped up in their seventh house.

1:44:10

Tristan Paylor: Instead of like who you become for other people in a sense, you know, if your income for other people here before especially if you're an actor, you're literally becoming other people. And even you know, musicians who have staged personas, like I'm thinking of teachers, for example, who has like a very out there shocking, very, like sexual very in your face kind of man, I want to see PJs chart is this, there's definitely Scorpio in there. She's very cool. But I remember reading an interview with her and you know, like, the stage persona is not at all who she is in her everyday life. It's kind of it's an outlet. So you know, like being an actor, being a performer gives you a chance to inhabit another persona for a while to literally sort of shape shift into somebody else, which is kind of an interesting seventh house. meditation on the seventh house maybe like literally being somebody else as an actor?

1:45:05

Kyle Pierce: Yes, exactly. Well, shall we talk about the eighth house?

1:45:09

Tristan Paylor: Let us put down our sunvisor and drive very carefully. It's the eighth

1:45:15

Kyle Pierce: or hurdle headlong into it. Unknown: That was always the time of day that I was driving home for work. Like, in the convenience. No, wait, that would be. Yeah. What time of day would that be?

1:45:30

Kyle Pierce: It'd be Well, I mean, it's gonna depend a lot. But it's usually probably like around that five o'clock. Time.

1:45:38

Shay: Yeah, that's it. Kyle Pierce: I would say. It's about the driving home from work. Yeah,

1:45:42

Tristan Paylor: absolutely. You kind of get like the golden hour and the ninth house and then you get the Okay. The son is stabbing me in the eyeballs in the eighth house. Yeah.

1:45:51

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, um, it's funny that we end up driving to work and sons in the house and driving back the ape dangerous times of day, I know not the time to be driving interest.

1:46:07

Shay: That's That's why these houses are associated with death.

1:46:12

Kyle Pierce: The car accidents for sure. Actually, I first car accident was in the morning, was not due to sun. No, that was rain slip. But the second accident I got in when I was 16. was absolutely because of an eighth house son, I was turning a corner in it. The sun slipped through my visor, that space between my visor, and my rearview mirror, and blinded me and the car in front of me stopped suddenly, bam, yikes, see, pal, son dangerous. But that will tell you a little bit about the eighth house. And that is deals with sudden events is are associated with the eighth house, I have a whole thing. And like whole thing about the house, because this is really this is like the house that I am kind of obsessed with. Because of all the houses I think the eighth house is the most difficult to understand, or the most controversial, really, you get a lot of people talking about different things with the eighth house. And I think that is really funny because the eighth house, maybe one of its important significations is controversy, or things that are not necessarily approved of by mainstream society. Because it's one of those dark houses, you know, kind of signifies things that go on. Outside of obvious view, you know, it's a little bit of an alleyway like a dark alley of a house,

1:47:44

Tristan Paylor: just had a thought that I'm trying to get back. And it's lost, like, give me a second I just had I need to like write it down while

1:47:55

Kyle Pierce: I'm frustrated because I had so many brilliant like things in my head today. And I'm like, all much by the time we record,

1:48:04

Tristan Paylor: you were just making me think about how another unifying theme of this whole Angular triad is loss of control, things that are outside of our control. You know, in the seventh house, that's a little bit, you know, potentially gentler, because it's like, you know, our partner has their own agency. And, you know, to some extent, like our, you know, our relationships, like my relationship with myself is under solely my control. But my relationship with somebody else takes to like some of that control is not in my hands anymore, I can only control my side of it, but they control their side, and I can't control them. So there's that sort of loss of control. And then in the eighth house, it's a little more extreme, where, you know, you have death, which is obviously complete loss of control, loss of life. And, you know, sudden events, like you were saying sudden, sudden happenings, things that we're afraid of, I think, you know, and you're in the eighth house, we're dealing with our fear of the unknown or fear of losing control, things that are very much outside of our control and how we deal with that, like, how do you deal with things that you can't control? How do you deal with circumstances that you can't change or influence in any way, you know, or there's a certain surrender, I think is another good keyword for all three of these houses.

1:49:26

Kyle Pierce: Let's say something about the eight houses. We don't have total, we definitely don't have total control over the eighth house that is 1% true. I just find I find the eighth house showing up and people who are really wrapped up in kind of bigger causes. Kind of lot like longer term themes, actually one of the eighth house. You get like ancestral baggage in the eighth house, trying the fourth house. It's really the house where you're mixing with others. It's like where Relationship, stuff gets complicated and sticky.

1:50:03

Shay: Do you think that's where the connection with other like other people's money and shared assets would come in kind of being entangled with the other, it's very

1:50:11

Kyle Pierce: entangled. Tristan Paylor: And it's opposite the second. So it's sort of, you know, the second house is what you have the eighth house is the opposite. It's what other people have, and then it's the succeeding house to the seventh. So it's what supports the seventh. So you know, this if the seventh house is your partner, then the eighth house is what supports your partner. So your partner's money or your partner's resources or assets are very obvious manifestation of things that support your partner's livelihood. Yeah,

1:50:40

Shay: I will say your your anxiety supports your partner because you're looking for what could go wrong.

1:50:47

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. So the good point, when it's also, it's not really about you in the eighth house, though, especially when we have planets closely associated with the first house ruler in the eighth house. Our identities can get really wrapped up in that stuff, and you will see people significant eighth house placements, like being wrapped up in big in like a grander kind of cars. For some reason, I'm thinking of Ryan Gosling, who I don't know a ton about Ryan Gosling. I know he's pretty heavily invested in several charities. I think one specifically about like ending war in Africa. I don't have the information at my fingertips at the moment. But Ryan Gosling has a pretty packed eighth house Pisces rising with Jupiter and Libra and Venus in Libra, and I think Saturn in Libra. And I don't know much about Ryan Gosling. Personally, I don't know if he's a good dude or a bad dude. But I he's been heavily involved in some charities and some good causes. Not the best example, Hitler's a good example. From him, I shouldn't go into it.

1:51:53

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, I think I mean, as I mentioned before, is sharing and service are big themes of all three of these houses. And with the eighth house in particular, I think of just the concept of sharing, of sharing what you have. And, you know, being being charitable and being self sacrificing. I think that's one thing to sort of watch for in the eighth house is being too self sacrificing. But that's definitely a signification that I see people that I know who have really significant eighth house placements tend to be very selfless and tend to be very giving of their time and material resources. To other people, there's also I mean, being one of the houses that deals with some of the more difficult topics of life. It is one of the houses that you know, I associate with working in fields related to the more difficult topics of life like psychotherapy, being you know, a great example where it's a house that deals with fear and death, you know, people who, yeah, yeah, who helps somebody deal with their fears or deal with grief. You know, it's people in the, in the helping professions, you know, it's it's religious functionaries who help you when you're on your deathbed or help you process the death. It's, you know, therapists, it's people working in places where, you know, there's a lot of conflict or suffering. So yeah, the eighth house, whatever is going on in your eighth house doesn't always necessarily represent bad things happening to you. It can be you taking action to help other people with the bad things that are happening to them.

1:53:43

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Yeah, the eighth house is really kind of at its essence, a it's a house about, say transformation a lot. It's about transitions. At the end of the day, it's about crossing boundaries and barriers. It's a house actually, in Vedic Astrology very associated with Saturn, which when you're looking at the thema Mundi with cancer rising, the eighth house is aquarius. Saturn ruled and actually believe it's in balance, that when he's describing the signs, one of the things Jesus describe Aquarius is, you know, it's the eighth house of the cosmos. So, it is a house that deals with, like you said, Trust and more difficult topics for sure. You know, thinking about like death, right? So let's look at the eighth house, you get like funeral directors, with a lot of significant details placements, but you know, thinking about what a funeral is, it's a ritual that has to do with transition. You know, it's helping people transition from you know, this person in their life being alive to them not being alive anymore. It's it's a house about difficult transitions, obstacles, both the obstacle and how you overcome the obstacle. Because it is it's like it A house that is, you know, you have a planet in the eighth house. It's moving by, you know, planetary motion towards the ninth house wants to go to the ninth house wants to move above the horizon, but it's being pulled back by its inevitable fate. By diurnal motion towards the seventh house, it's going down below the horizon, but it's like resisting it. And, like, I like to think about it or watch Game of Thrones, right? And how ARIA think in the first season when she has the the fencing lessons with, what was that guy's name? From Braavos? Or something?

1:55:36

Tristan Paylor: I've never watched Game of Thrones, so I can never watch Game of Thrones.

1:55:43

Kyle Pierce: Oh, my God, Who are you people? Tristan Paylor: I don't like watching rape and like minors being sexually abused? No, it's not. I'm not

1:55:51

Kyle Pierce: into it. Not enough eight piles up for me? Well, whenever the the her fencing instructor, one of the things he would say to her was, you know, the death is always on its way, we're all going to die. But whenever we face death, what do we say to death, we say Not today. That's kind of what the the eighth house is about. It's about, it's about resistance. It is about resisting death, actually shows up a lot. And actually, it's a lot more heavily emphasized in the Vedic approach to the eighth house, where they actually will look at it as the house of, of life, not actually one of the, quite literally the house of birth, of giving birth, or all the effort and work that goes into but ugly underbelly of what goes into birth, you know, we see, you know, we'd like the baby, the beautiful, the baby, you know, the placenta, and like the whole process, the pain and screaming? Yeah, I'm

1:57:01

Tristan Paylor: just gonna say, the eighth house also has a lot to do with working with the dead. You know, being a medium is a very eighth house profession, I think a couple of my favorite examples of the eighth house. One came from a client reading I did for music teacher. And she's a classically trained musician, and has this eighth house emphasis in her chart. And, you know, I was trying to sort of get to the bottom of what was going on in her eighth house. And she pointed out to me that all of the musicians whose music she plays have been dead for hundreds of years. And her work is literally keeping those musicians alive, their voice is still being heard, because of her music. And not only does she play it and perform it, but she teaches it so that the traditions of the dead and the work of the dead continue to live from generation to generation, I have a friend who has Mercury in Aquarius in the eighth house. And I always joke that her mind is like a vault, she is an absolute nerd for me, ancient history. And it's just sort of like facts about people long ago, and old funerary traditions and what people's lives were like in the ancient world, just like all that stuff is being kept alive, because somebody actually cares about preserving this knowledge, archiving it, disseminating it. You know, people, like librarian, you know, might be one of the most eighth house professions, if you know, your job is making sure that the words of the dead do not disappear and continue to be learned by people. So yeah, just in general, that sort of work with the dead with the long with the distant past with, you know, your ancestors, that are maybe not physical, but also like intellectual, emotional, spiritual, cultural ancestors. You can find all kinds of stuff related to that in your eighth house.

1:59:16

Kyle Pierce: Definitely. I love that, because that is it's, it's like the eighth house is trying to keep things from falling below the horizon, you know, resisting it, keeping my set up perfectly. Yeah, keeping traditions alive, old traditions alive, and even kind of resolving ongoing issues, you know, transgenerational conflicts and social issues that have been around for hundreds of years and will be around for hundreds of years after people with like a lot of eighth house are often dealing with that kind of stuff, their work, they're not going to accomplish they're not going to fix everything in this lifetime. But They're kind of contributing to it. And it's not necessarily for oneself, you know, they're not necessarily going to get the benefit of it. It's going to benefit maybe somebody down the line.

2:00:12

Tristan Paylor: Shay, what have you got for Tarot connections to the eighth house?

2:00:18

Shay: Well for taro spread positions, definitely, like fears and challenges I thought comes to mind because of that association with Yeah, just with the anxieties and the unknown, and maybe even the inevitable future, so could be a future position as well. Because, you know, we all have the same future. And then questions like maybe to ask yourself could be related to what do I fear? Maybe what makes me anxious? Or even because of the association with other people's money, it could be asking yourself questions about how you as someone else can manage your your shared money or shared assets. Yeah. Which I think would be another activity for this house is, you know, maybe budgeting with a partner or figuring out how you can better share your your shared money or making a plan together to pay off debts or updating your will make it a party?

2:01:18

Tristan Paylor: Oh, well, party. You know, that one, I 90% of the time when I have a house transits or people I know are having significant eighth house transits. It has to do with money. Is it is a very financial house.

2:01:36

Kyle Pierce: It is Oh, absolutely. For sure. It's, I mean, it's other people's money in a sense, but like how you how you get it, you extract it, there's a conquest, the sort of element to the house, taking from others, especially if you got malefics in your eighth house. But, you know, it depends. I guess one of the things that I because I don't want to move on to the other houses going on too long. But when you're looking at planets in your eighth house, you know, don't maybe obsess over the death component of it. They are planets that deal with that topic a lot. But they're more complex than that. The eighth house may not be like the happiest, most fun house. It's kind of an irritable house, but it's not like a useless house. I don't really like I like a lot of the the traditional, like the house of of, of good spirit. Right for the 11th house. The idol plays for the eighth. I'm not well,

2:02:41

Shay: you can't get much more than that. So

2:02:45

Kyle Pierce: yeah, dad is yes. But really, that's the mean. It's the eighth house is talking about things that lead up to death. Also, after

2:02:54

Tristan Paylor: I think it's I think it's the ideal place to because it's it doesn't make a major aspect of the ascendant so it's one of the houses that is invisible to the ascendant, and therefore it's, you're sort of in the dark when you're in the eighth house, and how quickly can you move when you're in the dark? Right, I think with the, with the eighth and the 12th. And the sixth, there is a sort of being slowed down because the lights are not on. And you have to and I think, you know, that's maybe one of the cool things about the eighth house when you think about, you know, its connection to the afterlife, and to people who came before us like, you know, there is a connection to the spiritual in a sense and there and in order to connect, you know, in order to connect with the unseen realms that are represented by the eighth house, you can't use normal sight, you need to rely on a different sort of sense completely so when you're in the eighth house, you're not relying on your normal senses anymore, you have to develop other ways of seeing in order to navigate the place so it's not going to be you're not going to have a quick straightforward easy trip through the eighth

2:04:09

Unknown: it's really that's really interesting because Okay, so I have Gemini and my is my eighth house. My eighth house is in Gemini, which is ruled by Mercury and Mercury is associated with the magician card so just that interest in mysterious topics like Tarot and astrology and magic all that curiosity about mystical things really goes well with the magician but also plays well with this eighth house topics

2:04:36

Kyle Pierce: definitely yeah diving into like the the unseen I

2:04:39

Tristan Paylor: love I love mercury in or ruling the eighth house. I feel like those two go together really nice. Really good. Definitely good placement for for a magician view if you need to conjure any, you know, other worldly entities. You know, mercury in the eighth house transit might be a good sign. I'm

2:05:03

Kyle Pierce: really funny that a lot of comedians have mercury in

2:05:06

Tristan Paylor: dark humor, dark, Kyle Pierce: dark humor. Yeah, there's also like a critical quality to make it a square to the 11th. House. So to be critical of, of what's going on and kind of mainstream society can make a houseplants a little unpopular can also make them really funny because they're good at cracking jokes about

2:05:28

Shay: they're finding unique ways to deal with things.

2:05:31

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, yeah. But I think maybe to wrap a toss up, what Kristin was saying, it's a really good point. Because yeah, when you're operating in the dark, you can be frozen by fear and a sense of, of not knowing what the right decision is, you know, where am I going? Which direction do I go. But one of the things that is maybe helped me personally looking at the eighth house, is, you know, maybe looking at that planet, if you have in your eighth house, or the ruler of your eighth house is sort of being devoted to a cause. That's not necessarily all about you. You know, like, if you devote your actions to, like, make yourself a servant to a higher calling or higher purpose, you know, you are not really operating in the dark anymore. You're operating based on someone else's agenda, I guess you could say, but an agenda that has a higher purpose, the longer trajectory. You don't have to like, make every turn by yourself. I

2:06:31

Unknown: like that. The eighth house does not just have to be the nine and the 10 of swords the anxiety of Yeah, you don't have to feel like you're being stabbed multiple times.

2:06:44

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, you gotta let go and see what happens. Sometimes do. Shall we plow into the eighth house,

2:06:54

Tristan Paylor: plow plow over a plow like we're farming into the sixth house?

2:06:58

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Or Yes. Shall we plow into the six?

2:07:02

Tristan Paylor: Let's do it. Unknown: It's your it's your spades. Now. Wait, what do you plow with a plow?

2:07:11

Kyle Pierce: Wow. You do plow with a Unknown: tooth? Yeah, I think Phil said I was but I think Phil's also over nevermind. Yeah, any of those farming implements your farming implement. Ready? There we go.

2:07:23

Kyle Pierce: Let's get your your, your tools and your work gloves on. Because sixth house is the house of toil. Yeah.

2:07:30

Unknown: And you might get injuries if you don't have good gloves. So yes, yeah. Or other bad fortune. Okay, I've done

2:07:39

Kyle Pierce: Yes, bad, bad fortune to the, to the bar.

2:07:42

Tristan Paylor: This is the house of of bad fortune. It is the house where you need to wear your safety goggles and your hard hat at all times. You know, don't walk under ladders in this house, not because of any kind of superstition, but because it is actually dangerous. Below those superstitions. You know, like don't open an umbrella in your house. It's not because some spooky supernatural thing is going to happen to you. It's because you're going to knock a vase over if you do shit like that or break a light bulb. So don't don't do it.

2:08:12

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, or poke someone in the eye. Which has happened to me.

2:08:15

Tristan Paylor: Oh, no, sorry, is that there's a very six Harris occur and someone opens an umbrella in front of you and pokes you in the eye.

2:08:23

Kyle Pierce: Yes, all manner of injuries, work related accidents, illness, and disease of all kinds are signified by the sixth house. But the sixth house also is the things that we do to to remedy or prevent illness and injury. As well as just all the The kind of day to day bullshit that we have to do that, you know, isn't really fun or sexy, but it's stuff that just has to get done. Yeah.

2:08:50

Tristan Paylor: Chores to work. Yeah, unglamorous work. belongs to the sixth house for sure.

2:08:57

Kyle Pierce: unglamorous work. Yeah, Unknown: for sure. rewarding work. Play not your career.

2:09:02

Kyle Pierce: It can mean well, it can be you get a lot of like doctors and surgeons and stuff with Oh, yeah, get success. Oh, interesting. saving people's lives. It can be very rewarding on which, you know,

2:09:14

Tristan Paylor: teachers too, right? Like you've got six you've got planets in the sixth and the 12. So you say you've got Jupiter in the sixth and then the sun and I can't remember what else you've got in Libra up there in the 12th. And I feel like it's another service oriented like other people oriented profession.

2:09:33

Unknown: Yeah, that makes sense. Serving my students.

2:09:37

Tristan Paylor: Also a lot of like, there's a lot of screaming and punching that goes on. And I mean, I guess not anymore now that you're teaching.

2:09:47

Shay: You know, I can just hit mute now. Tristan Paylor: That is the sixth house is the place the house where Mars rejoices as the joy of Mars. So you know, and you're trying to interpret the sixth house. Just think of Mars and like children screaming and punching each other. And you know, the the patient, long suffering school teacher who's trying to get them under control is a master of the sixth house.

2:10:14

Shay: Well, and, and the tarot card associated with Mars is the tower. So the sudden destruction caused by your class by the students that the class

2:10:23

Tristan Paylor: the chaos. Yeah, Kyle Pierce: yeah. Tristan Paylor: Yeah, the disorder, the school teacher is trying to try to create some structure and you know, you've always there's always at least one in any group.

2:10:35

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, speaking of the tower, you might get like a little more eighth house with the tower like sudden destruction, success is a little more like the slower insidious kind of just the natural entropy that happens. By nature of the law of physics, you know, ordered things naturally gravitate towards disorder. And the sixth house is both that that disorder that happens to your kitchen just kind of accumulates grime and dirty plates and stuff, but also what you do to remedy or prevent that from happening. The you cleaning up your kitchen, sixth house, you streamlining your kitchen, to minimize the amount of possible grime buildup, you know, maybe inventing some sort of silicone based spray to make your countertops, utterly grime proof

2:11:32

Shay: the things you can do to prevent the the illness and induced injuries that can become associated with kitchen. Yeah, food safely. Yeah,

2:11:42

Kyle Pierce: cadent houses are like their problem solving houses they're dealing with with problems, but they're also like creating solutions to those problems,

2:11:50

Tristan Paylor: that's a really good way of looking at it. I love that the cadent houses are where you deal with problems. That is perfect six

2:11:57

Kyle Pierce: houses problems of a physical nature. Yeah.

2:12:00

Tristan Paylor: And that's, I mean, something to, to clarify, the ancient name for the house is the house of bad fortune. In this case, we're not talking about lottery tickets, like we're not, not necessarily the modern sense of fortune. You know, your your fortune was just, you know, whatever was sort of allotted to happen to you directly materially, in your lifetime. And so, you know, the, the challenging things that happen, you know, to your body, to your physical environment, those are all in in the sixth house,

2:12:35

Kyle Pierce: which I mean are, we all have a sixth house, and we're all dealing with sixth house stuff, probably most of the day, well, in your sentence, unless you have servants, which is also a sixth house. That's

2:12:45

Tristan Paylor: true. If you have a butler, or a maid, those are sixth house, people who do the unpleasant tasks for you. employees, employees are under the purview of the sixth house, I was reading about the different cells involved in the immune system the other day, and it finally all clicked for me why bars rejoices in the sixth house, because Mars is the immune system. The sixth house is like the immune system of the body, it's always on high alert, it's always defending against intruders. And, you know, like, one of the categories of cell in your immune system is literally called Natural Killer are called natural killer cells. I don't know if you've ever heard a thing. So Mars before it was just like, Mars is, you know, defending yourself against some sort of an intrusion, or crisis or danger. So your immune system is literally, you know, your body's defending itself against bacteria, or, you know, the attack that you stepped on that is now embedded in your foot that shouldn't be there, you know, it's that like, alarm system that goes off, and then your body's sort of paramedics who go in to deal with the emergency. And so with the sixth house, you get a lot of, you know, like you're talking about doctors and surgeons, paramedics, people who deal with crises, you know, anyone who's who sort of dealing with emergency is that, you know, those kinds of people are found in the sixth house, you're your own doctor or nurse might be found in the sixth house, or your your pharmacist, I really

2:14:29

Kyle Pierce: loved that the success is like the immune system. So it is kind of its, you know, you don't have a ton of agency over your immune system. You can take vitamins and do things that help boost your immune system, but you kind of get the one that you're born with. And you kind of just have to work with that. And sometimes you're, you know, have a really awesome immune system that attacks the right things. Tax the bad stuff, that sometimes your immune system, you know, turn against you tax itself, you know, all sorts of inflammation and autoimmune stuff,

2:15:01

Tristan Paylor: well, unhealth is one of those things that, you know, you can only control it so much, you know, if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses, or you're born with a certain condition, or you develop a chronic condition of some kind, you know, there are things that you can do to manage it, there are things you can do to prevent stuff, but you can't stop everything from happening, sometimes you're just, you're predisposed to have a certain condition. And you just kind of have to find ways to manage it and managing that, you know, like managing symptoms, managing sort of day to day, drudgery, a lot of managing staff that you'd probably rather not be managing falls into into the sixth house.

2:15:44

Kyle Pierce: Just one of the things that we learned in massage school, was that after a significant injury, you know, even after it's healed, and everything, you really, you know, at best will get, like 90%, mobility back or 90%, it'll be you know, if you broke your arm terribly, and like a bunch of different places, messed up your shoulder, you get it all, he'll deal with surgeries, and everything, you're gonna get at best, like 90% of your arm back 90% functionality. And you just have to do stuff to like, maintain that. And that's kind of what the sixth house is about, it's dealing with, with maintenance and entropy, things like that.

2:16:21

Tristan Paylor: I think it's, you know, connection to the triad, that it's a part of what the seventh house, you know, the eighth house is pretty obvious how it's connected to the seventh house, because it is, you know, your partner's resources. And, you know, what you share with other people, you know, the sixth house, it's a little bit less obvious, like, how does the sixth house connect to the seven towers? How is it sort of the closure of the seventh house? And I think about, I mean, besides, you know, there is the the theme of service that, you know, I mentioned unifies all three of these houses. And in the sixth house, you know, we've talked about some of the examples of professions that deal with, with service in the sixth house sense. But I do think about, you know, the really, really common wedding vow till, till death do us part, you know, in sickness and in health, that, you know, the, the idea of marriage is that, you know, you're you stick by your partner, when they're at their worst when they're suffering when they're unhealthy. I think that's a key to understanding how the sixth house connects to this triad, when you are truly devoted to somebody, you know, you take care of them when they are unwell, where the, you know, the fifth house contrasts with the sixth house a little bit in that, you know, the fifth house is good fortune, it's like nice things happening in a physical sense. And the sixth house is unpleasant things happening in a physical sense. You know, the fifth house has a lot to do with romance and fun. And the sixth house is, you know, in a way, it's like, do you who are who are the people that you stand by, and who are the people who stand by you, even when things are not fifth house anymore? You know, like, sixth house, people are not fairweather friends, they are people who are going to stick with you. You know, after you've been in an accident, or you've been through some kind of a loss or you know, you're going to

2:18:19

are you have some sort of like, really embarrassing condition or something that, you know, you don't want to talk to people about, you know, they're the people who are not going to judge you and who are going to support you. And you know, that's, I think the strength and the beauty of the sixth house.

2:18:35

Kyle Pierce: I like the point about the interesting how wedding vows really kind of incorporate all those those houses.

2:18:41

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, till death do us part. Yeah. Che Do you have some? Sorry, go ahead. I was just gonna ask Shay about taro associations with the sixth house

2:18:57

Shay: of cards that come to mind for that are the 10 of Wands because of burden and have being overburdened could lead to illness or injury just because you're carrying more than you can handle. And also, there's the same injury or insecurity kind of connection with the five of pentacles. That's the one or two people that are kind of stumbling and look look injured, and they're walking past the stained glass window. So that also feels like, you know, are you looking out for others who might need your support because they're having a hard time so being either at the person who is in the position to need support or who's in the position to help? Yeah.

2:19:46

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, that's a really good point. I think that's a big that's a really important sixth house meditation is sort of, you know, how, how much are you willing to do for other people who are in difficult circumstances? As you know, even if it ends up costing you or doesn't directly benefit you in some way, it's a really it's a house of altruism, you know? Where like you're doing something for somebody else, not necessarily because it benefits you, but because it is the right thing to do.

2:20:13

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, that is the I mean, that's really the best way to to use the sixth house is on the darker side of the sixth house, which should always mean we've talked about the death and well, not the death, but the illness and everything. But there is a sense, I mean, there's kind of being like service industry, you know, has kind of a lot to do with with the sixth house where you know, you're working for to make somebody else rich, and maybe getting enough just to subsist, you know, it's pretty sixth house kind of experience.

2:20:48

Shay: Yeah. And one of the questions that I wrote down to go with the sixth house was, you know, how rewarding is my work? It's unrewarding. What can I change? Just thinking about, you know, in addition to, you know, how can I improve my health and avoid illness? You know, how does, how does the work that I do kind of connect with, with my health to?

2:21:09

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, like the Kyle Pierce: other like studies done, like, showed that the people who had the least tended to be the most generous with what they did have. So there's that component of generosity. Sometimes when we have like a lot of surplus, you know, we tend to maybe hoarder aren't very good at recognizing that not everybody is. Well last, but then when you've experienced maybe success experienced, not being in fortunate circumstances, you're much better at empathizing with others in similar circumstances, and maybe more willing to be generous.

2:21:42

Tristan Paylor: I always remember when I was working in the service industry, and I was working in coffee shops, the best tippers were always poor students and people who are also working in coffee shops, or in the restaurant industry or in hospitality. for it. Yeah, they know what it's like. And, you know, they they know how much of a difference that little bit of money makes when you're, you know, not making a living wage. It's people who come in and they buy like an americano to go, which costs like a buck 20 And they tip you $3 For you know, something that costs a buck 20 And, you know, the wealthy people who come in and and buy a $10 drink will tip you like 15 cents. So very strange contrast that I noticed a lot when I was working in the cafe industry.

2:22:32

Shay: Yeah, so if you've lived the five of pentacles, then you're more likely to to help out those who you see in that position.

2:22:41

Kyle Pierce: Weird segue. Yeah, the sixth house, you know, the best outlet for the sixth house really ends up being kind of like work related stuff. And we do see a lot of work related stuff. Because all that work that we put in, tends to contribute to, you know, our career, right, which the sixth house has a trine to the 10th house. So perhaps we want to maybe shift gears over to the 10th house triad?

2:23:07

Tristan Paylor: Sure. Did you have any, like, activities or anything else you wanted to share for the sixth house? Sure.

2:23:16

Shay: Yeah, I'm, as we're talking, I was thinking that, you know, any work that relates to charity, I think would be an activity that could be you know, anything that you're doing that involves giving of, you know, time, or energy, and also maybe getting a regular checkup. So that means your own health would also be a good activity for that,

2:23:43

Tristan Paylor: go to the dentist, Kyle Pierce: allowing others to attend to your health to

2:23:47

Shay: go into the desert. So those preventative, preventative actions that you can take for your health and wellness.

2:23:56

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, maybe like allowing yourself to be taken care of by others. A lot of people have a hard time with that, myself included. And you know that that can be a good way of working with your sixth house,

2:24:09

Tristan Paylor: as a very good point, sharing the burden of burden shared as a burden have great.

2:24:17

Kyle Pierce: And funny how that can end up making relationships. Supporting relationships.

2:24:23

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, because Shay: you could see the sixth house as being the challenge and as Fred position, so it's going to be easier to face that challenge. If you have somebody close to you, who's supporting you.

2:24:35

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Sometimes that can, you know, make a bond stronger. Sometimes it can, you know, were away at one to kind of depends on how good the bond is, or how how worthwhile it is.

2:24:47

Tristan Paylor: And I think a interesting thing about all three of the houses in this triad is they deal with relationships and in difficult circumstances. And so I think that's why like, you know, the seventh house is more long term partnerships or marriage because it's like the person who's going to be with you, regardless of what's going on, you know, is potentially going to be with you till death in the eighth house. But also, you know, enemy is being like hidden enemies are in the sixth open enemies or in the seventh. So it's like are they you know, the people who are by your side through the dark times, and the people that you're willing to stand by when they're going through dark times, but also the people you're in dark times with because you hate each other. That whole realm of experience is kind of represented by these three

2:25:33

Kyle Pierce: in the past, can you trust any of them?

2:25:37

Tristan Paylor: All right, I am I am ready for the final angular triad. triad. The 10th House triad

2:25:44

Shay: sounds good. Kyle Pierce: But murder it? Yeah,

2:25:49

Tristan Paylor: I think we got we can do this. I believe that we got

2:25:53

Kyle Pierce: focused, all right. Tristan Paylor: The most public part of the chart is commonly associated with your career, which does make a lot of sense, because, you know, it's pretty common that what you're known for, in a public sense, is what you do for a living. But I'm finding like more and more and more and more in my own practice. And I think I talked about this, when we discussed the second house, that the I find the second house comes up more related to career. And the 10th house really comes up more related to like reputation. Recognition, which can be in it often is connected to career but isn't always connected to career. It's not strictly connected to like your livelihood, or money you make, but more you know who you are in the public sphere, stuff, like how you present yourself on social media, I think is a very 10th House area of life.

2:26:50

Shay: For sure, your public image. Kyle Pierce: Yeah. And that's kind of what this whole triad is really dealing with. And honestly, I end up looking at like the whole triad for a lot of like his interest. I mean, the second house, definitely, it's, you know, your livelihood, how you make your money, which may or may not be your long term career, often, you know, we do things to make money that can support us while we do other things. The 10th house like yeah, it's not inherently about making money. It's about you know, it's what you do. In a sense, you know, what, maybe what you're told to do, I don't know what it was, traditionally, the, the house of Praxis is the Greek word 10th house, house of action. And it's really maybe the most action II kind of house in terms of it's very busy, it's very productive house for planets to be in, they're also very visible. They're right there, you know, at the top of the sky. And I would say that this whole triad is really dealing with visibility. It's dealing with, yeah, your relationship with the public, and just the public at large, and authority. Authority figures.

2:28:01

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, authority figures is a big one. And I think of the planet that is most elevated in a chart, that sort of at the highest point in the sky, I always pay attention to that planet when I am reading somebody's chart, because to me, that planet is like the PR person for the whole chart. You know, like I was reading a chart for someone recently, who has every single planet below the horizon, and only one of the traditional planets is above the horizon. And it's like, right up near the midheaven, like, really, really visible and it's just like, that's a lot of pressure for that planet. Yeah, everybody's looking at it. Yeah, that's the answer for everything that's going on down there, you know, it's got to come up on the stage and explain, like what's going on in the back room that no one else can see. And be the public use of that operation? And, you know, potentially take like, all the praise and recognition but also potentially, all the blame. And I think that's a tricky thing with the 10th. Like, you know, we we tend to be more negative about the more hidden houses, especially like the 68 and the 12. But, you know, a nice thing about those houses is that like, you know, hopefully anyway, you know, difficult stuff going on in there isn't out in the open for the whole world to see whatever goes on in the house. Whole world can see it.

2:29:22

Shay: Yeah, whether it's whether it's going great or not.

2:29:28

Kyle Pierce: Well, that's it's nice for that PR person to be well supported. Right? And it's kind of like the way that the that triad even but the 10th house more specifically is it's like at the top of the pyramid and it kind of is drawing on all the other houses for support. It's one way I like to look at, you know, a planet in the 10th house like what kind of support is it getting? How's that that PR person? Can information are they getting? How prepared are they for speaking? What kind of news do they have to tell?

2:29:56

Shay: Yeah, I have a Leo 10th house which is fun because that's ruled by the sun. And also by the Sun card and Taro, so it's very happy, very happy, joyful 10th house. And I'm,

2:30:10

Kyle Pierce: it's a very Yeah, do kind of house

2:30:13

Shay: yeah, I'm thinking about how I kind of find my identity and my joy through my career as a teacher. And that brings a lot of fulfillment

2:30:21

Tristan Paylor: of that. I've got the sun in the 10th house. So I've got kind of a similar situation going on with a very solar 10th house. And I certainly hope that I appeared to the general public like the sunkara. Like that's, you know, that'd be a nice, it's a nice image to project to the world. I hope that's how people see me.

2:30:41

Kyle Pierce: I think so. Tristan Paylor: It's just like happy and sunny. They don't have to know about the Moon in Scorpio hiding below the horizon of my chart. Just don't worry about that. We're just looking at you know, the the beautiful bouquet of flowers and the rays of sunshine and like, nice white horse. I'm thinking of like the Rider Waite card. Yeah, like the happy baby. And they're, they're like flowers and nice things going on all over that car and bright, happy colors,

2:31:08

Shay: cheerful looking card. Yeah. Tristan Paylor: But it is I think I've talked about this in a previous episode, where we were, I think we were reading the chart for somebody with the sun and Aries might have been also in the 10th like mine, and just the not being able to avoid being seen when you have like the sun, like the sun or the moon or you have a luminary in the 10th There's literally like a giant light bulb in your 10th house and everyone can see it. And now you know, that's, it's an exalted sun in the 10th. So traditionally, it should be like, great, you know, the planet has all this agency to do what it wants, and it has influence over other people and, and whatnot. But mostly, I've just noticed it as like, I can't go anywhere on scene. I can't just like slip into the shadows. I can't be in the background of anything. You know, and when I was in high school, I was like, I was definitely like the weird kid like one of the sort of poster children for weird kids. And I were all kinds of like weird neon staff and like fashions no one could place and it was like, I didn't want anyone to notice me. Like, it wasn't that Oh, give me attention kind of thing. It was like I was an artist. And I just wanted to be able to like paint a picture with my clothes every morning. But that does not tend to earn you friends at that age. So it was yeah, it was like a difficult thing where I was very noticeable. But I didn't necessarily want to be noticeable. It's like I want to be my authentic self, which is very sun in Aries. But being noticed for being your authentic self can sometimes be a mixed bag, depending on your environment. So it's you know, it's a tricky house to navigate sometimes.

2:32:58

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, yeah, Wawa is probably like the most positive triad of all of them. Because you're not, you know, the the 10th house is general, it's neutral, powerful and kind of neutral. depends on what's going on there. Actually, what you were saying was making me think about how like direct lighting like overhead can sometimes be very unflattering. I'm not a big fan of it. And actually, I have the sun in the 11th house, I prefer a little more indirect lighting. You know,

2:33:29

Shay: I want the spotlight. Kyle Pierce: I don't want to write on my face. I want it, you know, softer, a little more subtle, a little more complimentary. Which the houses flanking the 10th house are generally probably some of the more positive houses in the chart.

2:33:47

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, you've got you've got good spirit supporting it. That house where Jupiter rejoices. And then that cadent house is the ninth where the sun rejoices. So it's pretty, pretty happy, sunshiny place to be. I think there's like you have a lot of you do have a lot of agency in the 10th house, much like the first house, those are two houses that represent ways in which you have a lot of agency. You know, you don't, you're not necessarily able to, to curate an image for your life partner in the seventh house or for your family in the fourth house. They they get to see who you really are. It's kind of hard to hide who you really are from the people that you are most intimately connected to. But in the 10th house, you get some control over how other people see you.

2:34:33

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, and it's I mean, it's a good house for putting things into action. Like for initiating starting.

2:34:38

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, it's it's active. Yeah, there aren't a lot of sort of obstacles to go through, you're not going to be slowed down in the 10th house, like you're going to be able to do things quickly in the 10th house. It's not like you know, in the eighth, you're gonna be slowed down on the 12th you're going to be slowed down. Even in the third, which is a positive house, you know, you have to take care of your day to day routine. meaning there are lots of little things to think about. And, you know, there's traffic and neighbors and all that stuff going on third in the 10th house, you kind of get free rein to just sort of do what you want.

2:35:10

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, it's like having your hand, like the top of the steering wheel, you know, where you're very well positioned to quickly turn the wheel either left or right. It's good place to have your hand for steering.

2:35:22

Unknown: Yeah, but your steering where everyone can see you. So you're like steering?

2:35:28

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Pressure is on you in the 10th house. Because yeah, you are, you are visible you are being I wish I

2:35:35

Tristan Paylor: could remember the name of this effect now that I was just learning about in my psychology course, where, like, social pressure affects your performance, obviously, I mean, most of us intuitively can figure that out. The experience of doing something in front of other people is very different from doing it by yourself. And there's an interesting phenomenon where if you aren't particularly talented at something, and you try to do it, when other people are watching, you will do it worse. And they're like, there is a huge body of research, you can like, quantify how much worse you are at a task when other people are looking at you. But the reverse is true if you're very skilled. So for professional athletes, like the home court, the Home Team Advantage is actually statistically real, like it is very. And in certain sports, it's very significant. Like I camera, it might have been baseball or something where there's like a really, like, there's like a 10% advantage or something for the home team. Because if you're very skilled athlete, your performance is enhanced by knowing that other people are looking at you. And even more so if the people looking at you or your fans and they're supporting you. Or your the home. Yeah, like, you know, good things that you and being supportive and cheering every time you do something, right.

2:36:51

Kyle Pierce: That's a little bit like the mean, I don't know if we're done with the 10th house, but that's kind of like the 11th. House. The 11th house is the stadium that's packed supporting your performance in the 10th house.

2:37:01

Tristan Paylor: Totally. Yeah. So Unknown: cards that I thought of for the 10th house for one, the six of wands just because of the sort of public celebration or you know, victory. Yeah. If the idea of having people cheer you on, as you're publicly recognized for what you have the parade for sure. Yeah, yeah, you have the the person on the horse where everybody is, you know, around and seeing them and they've got, I think, a wreath or whatever, yeah, and then maybe the nine of pentacles if your career is really fulfilling the kind of having abundance and the rewards of your, your hard work as well.

2:37:35

Tristan Paylor: There's like, that's, that's a card about social status to an extent too, right? Like, if you look at the figure in the Rider Waite, they're definitely you know, somebody who's accomplished and well off, and they're wearing like fine clothes, like this very dignified posture.

2:37:52

Unknown: Right. And that would also come with some public recognition, too, because it's hard to be wealthy and well to do without having other people looking at you.

2:38:01

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. I don't know, I almost want to like be able to talk about these houses interchangeably, because they do overlap so well. Because you know, the 10th house is just kind of that power. And it sounds but then you get to like the ninth house. You're dealing with more maybe the philosophical ideals about maybe how you wield that power, how you use it responsibly, how? How, the idea that, you know, say you're like really loaded, right, and you have billions of dollars, suddenly you're responsible for like a huge chunk of the economy.

2:38:36

Tristan Paylor: Not that people who have that much money actually take on that responsibility for responsibility, but in theory, yeah, you some of them are not sitting on a billion dollars, you are a massive chunk of the overall economy.

2:38:49

Unknown: Yeah. And some questions that I that I added were just asking yourself how fulfilling your career is or how you feel about your public image, or even just how you present yourself or want to present yourself in your profession. Or even just publicly? Yeah, yeah. I was thinking about posting on social media being an activity

2:39:13

Tristan Paylor: take a really good selfie and really nice lighting and posted on your Instagram account. That's a good 10th House activity.

2:39:21

Unknown: Yeah, or even just you know, setting sitting down and setting so career goals, which it's funny because the new supervisor for the team that I work on, just sent out a survey and one of the questions was What are your goals for the next five to 10 years and I just said, I would like to be pleasantly surprised. Yeah, that's that's not a good 10th House thing.

2:39:45

Tristan Paylor: Well, let's sign this your 10th house again. We Oh, right. You You said that already that it was late with the Sun card. You want to be pleasantly surprised. I love that.

2:40:00

Shay: I just avoided the Tristan Paylor: well, you write your son in the 12 pairs. So it's like, your public image is evasion evasion. I'm gonna

2:40:12

Shay: talk to you about this when I know you exactly. I don't know you, I'm not telling you my goals.

2:40:19

Tristan Paylor: That's amazing. Kyle Pierce: Well, in 10th house, you know, really, you're gonna be looking at a lot of things for just career in general, but say, 10th house will tell you a lot about what's visible and like the legacy, right, that you're maybe trying to leave behind, or that you do leave behind. On the eighth house might be the sort of legacy that you inherit and sort of carry with you either as a burden through your life or that you work to improve. You know, the 10th house is kind of like your mark, I guess in the world. Yeah.

2:40:48

Tristan Paylor: Yeah. I like to think of it as you know, the stories people tell about you and you're not around what kind of stories are people telling about you and when you leave this mortal coil, kind of

2:40:57

Kyle Pierce: shit people talk about, Tristan Paylor: like, what stories are what will they say? Yeah, what will people say? funeral? How will how will you be remembered?

2:41:06

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, no, that's no, that's, I did shows up.

2:41:09

Tristan Paylor: I planned to be remembered not always the way you as the Sun card for sure. Oh, yes. I've got mercury in the 10th. So that's the magician, right? And then the ruler of my 10th is Mars. So I don't know that's a mixed bag in terms of how people are gonna remember me. That's all

2:41:24

Kyle Pierce: planets all over your time. That's true. You are going to be loved. You are loved.

2:41:32

Shay: Despite your destructive tendencies, Tristan Paylor: and love for my destructive tendencies, maybe that's what a Mars ruled 10th house is about. I love it.

2:41:41

Kyle Pierce: You're the sunny face of this show. I'm so that is why you're honest. So that people will put up with me.

2:41:51

Tristan Paylor: The dark one Kyle Pierce: I my my Dark Lord of attention in the eighth

2:41:56

Tristan Paylor: house. That's right. Yeah, your your 10th house ruler is in the age. Oh my god. I know even you have a podcast about serial killers so that your work is delving into the dark side and into the stuff that people don't generally want to look at. But like nonetheless, have kind of like we're all drawn to the eighth house like astrology conversations. People always want to jump to the eighth house sci fi and it's like anything that's sort of taboo. It's uncovering mysteries. No one's talking about it. They're like morbidly curious about what's going on in there. So you your public, your service to the public is

2:42:35

Kyle Pierce: digging deeper and deeper into the mysteries of astrology.

2:42:37

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, there you go and feeding people's sense of morbid curiosity. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mars and Aquarius in the eighth house ruling your 10th house being very contrarian being publicly contrarian.

2:42:51

Kyle Pierce: So contrarian house contrary and plant and contrary house. Can you do?

2:42:57

Tristan Paylor: Totally. Well, you Unknown: both make really good friends. So let's let's travel to the 11th house.

2:43:05

Tristan Paylor: I love the 11th house. I'm about to have an 11th house here. I can't wait. Yeah, Kyle is also going to have an 1111 and one. I'm currently in it. And you're friends with us. We are Shea's 11 pairs. Here, Kyle. So

2:43:20

Kyle Pierce: here we are, we are your year. We are a manifestation I

2:43:23

Unknown: appreciate and really this connection came about you know, I think after I had already started my 11th house perfection so that were that's amazing.

2:43:34

Tristan Paylor: That's astrology works. Kyle Pierce: Astrology works with you. Yeah, and your ruler, your first isn't the limit,

2:43:44

Tristan Paylor: I believe. Right? Mars. Yeah, Mars in Virgo.

2:43:48

Kyle Pierce: It's a nice place for the ruler of the first because the 11th has a lot of that visibility of the 10th. But it has some sort of inherent positive positivity has that sextile with first house,

2:44:01

Tristan Paylor: jupiter rejoices there. Jupiter likes being there. So it's like, what is the 11th?

2:44:06

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, it's it's, it's on its way to the 10th house to you know, it's on its way to success. Building up.

2:44:12

Tristan Paylor: I remember reading and interpretation. Sometimes the 11th house was viewed more positively than the 10th. Because if you're in the 10th house, you've already peaked. But if you're in the 11th house, you're like headed. It's all downhill from the 10th house, but like almost at the top, but you haven't peaked yet.

2:44:32

Kyle Pierce: That is I mean, the 11th is that's kind of the theme. The vibe of the 11th Is it just kind of keeps getting better. You're working your way towards a goal. You have a dream. You know, that's maybe dreams and aspirations is very 11th House friends who support you and your dreams and fans, of course, Eric public. Yeah, it's like the like you're on your way to the battle, right, the eject button you're just juice full of confidence that you're going to win. You got this giant badass army behind you? And you're like, Yeah, I'm gonna go crush my enemies in the 10th house. But in the meantime, I have this just roaring crowd of fans, you know, wishing me well and sending me off while I go achieve glory.

2:45:17

Tristan Paylor: I think you know, the, the way. The 11th Terrace. Sorry.

2:45:23

Kyle Pierce: That's it. I'm on my way. That's the one.

2:45:26

Tristan Paylor: You're on your way. Kyle is on his way.

2:45:29

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I guess I got the 11th house.

2:45:33

Tristan Paylor: You'd think you do? Yeah, it's the only thing I have. The only thing I dream

2:45:38

Shay: that's Morris. Tristan Paylor: Oh my God.

2:45:45

Kyle Pierce: Now the steady progress. You know, you get there. When you've

2:45:49

Tristan Paylor: got a Taurus love and Paris like, Well, I do too. But you've got the sun and Jupiter. I just have Jupiter in there. So you've got a very, and mercury, you've got a touristy 11th house. So that's definitely you know, that's steady progress climbing, slowly but surely, to the top. I think you know, it's probably pretty obvious how the 11 Paris is the sixth cedent house of the 10th. And how it supports the 10th is probably pretty clear by now. You know, the 10th? Is your public reputation, any sort of honors, you receive achievements, that kind of thing? You know, how, how do you get those things other people be 11th? Is is your social networks? You know, like one thing I've I think, Kyle, you and I were talking about this the other day, something that we're learning, as you know, sort of new business people is like, there is no better way of getting business, then word of mouth. It's the people, the people who have already talked with you have already hired you who know you, they trust you. They tell other people like, hey, this guy's really good. And then you have more clients, you know, or if you know, you have a lot of friends, you have a lot of people that you can potentially collaborate with. If you have people with shared interests, if you have people you're part of a community with, then you know, like, us meeting che is fortuitous. Now we're all like collaborating on all these fun projects together. And it's like all of our 10th houses are being supported by the three of us working together on these projects. So that's how, you know, the 11th supports the 10th. Yeah,

2:47:29

Kyle Pierce: definitely. And that's, I mean, it's kind of vice versa to vice versa, like your agency in the 11th house is, is there is some for sure. But like you don't get to put the words in people's mouth, you know, that spreads. You know, you can perform well and give people something to talk about and be a lot of house but you can't do that legwork for them, maybe in the 10th house, depending on your 10th house, like you could be out on the street with you know, your your billboard and like, Hey, look at me, I'm, I'm doing this, you know, this is me. I'm awesome. Check me out. Right, and maybe people will believe you. But in the 11th house, you got like an army of supporters who are saying

2:48:13

Shay: they're doing the work of spreading the word.

2:48:17

Tristan Paylor: Another thing you know, the 11th house, it represents communities in general, you know, not just communities that support your career necessarily. But just the entire concept of community fits into the 11th house, you know, being being part and I think you know, you can see a bit of the meaning that comes from it being the house where Jupiter rejoices. Jupiter's favorite house is the 11th house. And Jupiter is a very social planet on a very large scale where Jupiter represents large scale social institutions, churches, courts of law, you know, the community centers, places where people gather where they share common arcades, where they actually

2:49:07

Kyle Pierce: the Greek arcade would be very appropriate, Louis Yeah. The arcades like Yeah, well, modern arcades.

2:49:13

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, a place where people gather who have like shared goals or shared interests,

2:49:18

Shay: Discord, Discord group, Discord, Discord

2:49:20

Kyle Pierce: groups, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all over the

2:49:25

Tristan Paylor: 11th house. Yeah, big time. And that, you know, being connected to your community is a positive and life affirming experience, you know, people want and need community. And that is, you know, where we get a lot of our support, right, like if I, if I want to learn how to sew, I could go to my local community center and you know, take a free sewing class and meet a bunch of people there and pick up this new skill and potentially make friends and you know that that is all love and post business.

2:50:00

Kyle Pierce: Definitely, and really just on a personality or psychological level, like 11th House planets really, really seem to point to just interest in social dynamics, and in society and interest in subjects, like, related to, to society to, to people, they're interested in people. It's a house that tends to be friendly and like, just generally likable. You know, it's an affable kind of house.

2:50:30

Tristan Paylor: There is faith in humanity, isn't it? Yeah. And the 11th house for sure.

2:50:35

Kyle Pierce: I like that humanity. Tristan Paylor: I've got I've got Jupiter in the 11th, like I said, and my favorite part of my psychology course so far has definitely been social psychology. Yeah, I was going to if I was going to branch off and study a specific discipline under the umbrella of psychology would have to be social psychology. And I genuinely like people. It's like the genetic of sex I have a day chart. I like I actually do like, in my heart have a lot of like, when I when I just like, look out my window and I just see people like, walking their dogs and running their snowblowers and like, humanity is just so lovely. Like those those feelings exists in me even with all of the with all my like anger and all the injustice in the world and my life you know, Moon in Scorpio difficulty trusting people in intimate relationships or what have you. There is like, a genuinely like people and want wants to be around them and just like see them do people stuff makes me really happy.

2:51:32

Shay: For Watching. Kyle Pierce: Or watching for sure.

2:51:36

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, very Shay: good. 11th House activity.

2:51:40

Kyle Pierce: Definitely. That's really the moments when I like people the most is just when they're in their natural state, you know,

2:51:45

Tristan Paylor: in situ Yeah.

2:51:49

Kyle Pierce: Like an anthropological to the the 11th house, like oh, people Wow, fascinating.

2:51:56

Shay: People in documentaries, but not

2:52:00

Kyle Pierce: Mars, you know, square mile Evans house plants of it. It's it's adding some chaos there. I took seven I had seven different majors, all in different social sciences. couldn't pick one. I did try all

2:52:14

Tristan Paylor: of them. Well, Maurice is just like scattering

2:52:18

Kyle Pierce: finally landed on the best social science there is. Can you guess?

2:52:23

Tristan Paylor: You're gonna say astrology? I don't know if I would go that far. But it is about people. Undeniably. It's all this is all new people.

2:52:34

Kyle Pierce: Well, it's a good way of blending actually the ninth house the 11th house, which we get into, but

2:52:41

Tristan Paylor: yeah, let's let's maybe hear what she has to say about Taro. Yeah.

2:52:45

Kyle Pierce: You probably have a lot to say about the woman. Yeah, you have there.

2:52:48

Tristan Paylor: Yeah. Your first house ruler is in there. You know all about the 11th. And you

2:52:51

Kyle Pierce: have the ruler of your 11th house. In your first house.

2:52:55

Tristan Paylor: Oh, yeah. There's mutual reception there. That's right.

2:52:59

Kyle Pierce: To signification popular means popular,

2:53:03

Tristan Paylor: the popular. You're the cool people who make us look cool.

2:53:07

Kyle Pierce: Celebrities and popular people have the ruler of the 11th in their first

2:53:10

Shay: oh my gosh, where was this in high school like this? But yeah, so the the Jupiter is the planet that has its Choi and the 11th house, like you said, and Jupiter is related to the wheel of fortune card, which on the one hand could be associated with luck, and we've got this being the house of good fortune. But then also I'm thinking about how friends are those who are on the journey through all the cycles of life are kind of traveling through the wheel with you. Yeah, and then I've got Virgo, which is my 11th house and that's ruled by Mercury which is associated with the magician. So for me that's just as a teacher creating and a sense of community and kind of fostering that with in my classroom for my students. That's kind of how I see the magician showing up with that so maybe not even just with work but also you know, with friends and kind of enjoying creating clubhouse for set bring people together Yeah, chat, which is you know, that mercury communication, the magician, you know, creating something where people want to come together and make friends.

2:54:29

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, you do. You are one of those people who definitely like, you connect a lot of people together. You like talking to people and yeah, and all kinds of people end up meeting each other because you sort of facilitate those connections. So it's very 11th House club houses a very 11th House app for sure. Just hanging out in a room and having like nice, structured conversations with people for life, or unstructured, depending on the state of the clubhouse.

2:54:59

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, See 10,000 is like a little more commanding a little more authoritative. More like, everyone look, I'm in charge, you know, a lot of passes like people just kind of gravitating. Yeah, like people just kind of coming because they want to because it feels good. Yeah, because they have to,

2:55:16

Shay: that's good. And they can kind of come and go as you please to some of the other cards that I thought of a lot of the threes, so three of pentacles, for collaboration with friends, three of cups for celebrations, and gatherings with friends, and three of wands for just that expansive, kind of and growth elements that has to do with the three of wands, and Jupiter being expansive. So those were what came to mind for, for cards. And then some questions you could ask yourself is, you know, what the friendship? What qualities do I look for in a friend? Or what makes me a good friend? Or I was even thinking because this being the house of good fortune, like what does good fortune means to me? And so, yeah, how do I what do I associate with that?

2:56:03

Tristan Paylor: I love that spirit. I much like with the seven Paris where you know, a fun thing you can do with your chart is is you know, look at your partner and look at your seventh house planets and ruler and see how similar they are. You can do the same thing with your 11th. If you've you know, you look at the ruler of your 11th house, sometimes you'll notice there's a pattern where it's like a lot of my friends and the people I like or people who like me are a lot like this planet. Yeah. And I actually had so I had a ninth house a year from 2020 to 2021. And Jupiter rules my ninth house from the 11th. So even though I was having a ninth house year, there were definitely some 11th House themes that were coming up. And my 11th house is Taurus. And I do have a pattern of having close friends with significant Taurus placements in their chart. And during this ninth house year, I made three close friends. And like in a short span of time I don't normally make that many new friends who end up being like close ongoing friendships. You know, in that shorter span of time, it was just like a pile of Taureans fell in my lap during this 11 plus years. So I met Kyle was you know, three planets and Taurus two other friends who are a couple one is sun and Taurus. The other is Taurus rising. So I met the three of you all really close together. And you all ended up being really good friends, and also people that they do collaborate with a lot. So it's just funny how that works. My sometimes it's just very literal. My 11th house is Taurus and Taurus is show up in 11 scenarios in my life all the time.

2:57:48

Kyle Pierce: Friends with sleepy artists.

2:57:51

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, Venus in the 12th house rules are alive in Paris. I'm definitely friends with a lot of sleepy artists.

2:57:59

Shay: I think the only thing I had left here was spread positions. So it could be hopes because of the association with hopes and wishes with this house and maybe your environment. Because your your friends kind of make that make up your environments. And then activities. So I think like you had talked about like going to an arcade but you know, having parties or gatherings or like you said interest in going to a community center and taking a course or something like that would also be ways to engage with your 11th house. I wrote down dinner parties to which was kind of amusing. I don't know if anybody does this anymore.

2:58:40

Kyle Pierce: I don't know why I don't do more dinner towards 11th house.

2:58:43

Tristan Paylor: I love that. Yeah, I would love to do some dinner parties now. And it's a little safer. Like we do some more of that. Yeah, I like the fancy the fancy gatherings as long as they're like casually for where it's like we're playing at being fancy. If I actually have to go to like a five star restaurant, please count me out. God, pressure.

2:59:03

Kyle Pierce: One of the things I love most in life is just an excuse to wear a suit. Oh, yeah. Love, love any event. I don't care whose event what event is if I get to wear a suit go. I'm there.

2:59:15

Shay: I used to love going to the ballet every Christmas around that time of year because that was my only time that I could wear like my three fancy dresses. I could pick one. Yeah.

2:59:26

Tristan Paylor: So I think why we don't get to be fancy enough. I think what we need to do is schedule a zoom call and have like a dinner party over zoom and we're all going to dress up in formal wear and that will be all oh man when the sun goes into Taurus. So it's like going through we need like a chart where there are planets and Taurus and planets in Virgo. So we've got planets and Shea's 11 Paris and planets and Kyle and I used to live in Paris and we just have a fancy dinner party.

2:59:55

Shay: Well, I'd see you also have to have fancy dishes but your own so you're like holding it up like here. So I pick up this silver

3:00:03

Tristan Paylor: spoon. I love it.

3:00:07

Kyle Pierce: We should celebrate the one year anniversary of Well, I came up we started it and when the sun was in Taurus or Gemini? Yeah, well, I love that we get to finish off with like, the happy houses as opposed to the 12 house. Random to 12 houses great to have for its own reasons, but

3:00:26

Tristan Paylor: not everything. Good. See? Kyle Pierce: Yeah, that's, that's sometimes it

3:00:31

Tristan Paylor: is just necessary. It's not as it makes you happy. But it's still important, but at least these houses, it's like they're also cheerful.

3:00:39

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Yeah. The ninth house is like, it is like the more cheerful version of the 12th. house a little bit sometimes where Yeah, it's you're dealing with it's another cadent house, it's above the horizon. This one's a lot more visible, it's a little more connected to the world, it's a little more well, it can see the first house. So it's more supportive, I guess, in that sense. But the ninth house really needed signifies the word I'm looking for, like mentors, like people who teach you stuff, smart people. Higher Education, smart

3:01:13

Tristan Paylor: people. Kyle Pierce: Smart people. Yeah, for sure. I don't know, people who have good advice to offer.

3:01:19

Shay: That's interesting. Because it's like trying a long journey. And learning is kind of a long journey. A long journey to higher knowledge.

3:01:28

Kyle Pierce: And yes, exactly. It's, you know, it's a cadent house. So I mean, it does, there's effort involved. But there's work and it takes time. But it's more pleasant. It's more enjoyable, you know, it's more satisfying and rewarding. Think the efforts labors of the ninth house.

3:01:47

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, I think that's a good point where it's still like, being a cadent house. It's not, you know, the house where you have the greatest amount of agency or control. And, you know, you can just sort of do whatever you want, things don't necessarily happen quickly. But like, the payoff is very worth it. And the like, you know, slow and steady progress that you're making is, is enjoyable, it's not the, you know, the drudgery of the sixth house, it's like, it is the the joy of the sun. In the ninth house, it was referred to as the house of God. So the third house was the goddess and the ninth house was the god and, you know, you get all kinds of topics related to the sun, like prophecy and divination and religious leadership, you know, spiritual experiences of all kinds, that sense of like, you know, feeling at one with the universe is a very ninth house experience, whether you're having it or you're seeking it like seeking is a really meaning seeking meaning from Yeah, the same. Maybe that's the sort of the Cadency where you're like you're seeking and you're searching, you haven't gotten yet, but you're on a pilgrimage, you know, to find that higher meaning or to feel for the meaning of life. Yeah. And to feel that sense of oneness and unity with everything or with the divine, you're looking for that. And the ninth house.

3:03:05

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. Like a deeper connection to the world.

3:03:09

Shay: Is that how the spirituality part of it kind of plays in? Like searching for, for deeper meaning? Yeah, for sure. Definitely.

3:03:18

Tristan Paylor: Yeah. And the sun in traditional astrology is very associated with religion and spirituality and prophecy.

3:03:25

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, and you think about I mean, cuz it's falling, it's starting to fall away from that peak, right? It's like, after all, the action happens in the 10th house. After all the parades, the 11th house, you're in the ninth house, and you're in this kind of steady, quiet place in the sky. It's like comfortable. And it's like, kind of where the wisdom sort of accumulates, where you can kind of look back on what happened and be like, oh, yeah, you know, this is what this meant. And this is why this happened. And you often get ninth house figures, being maybe slightly older people, sometimes who've lived life and have collected experiences and have a lot of wisdom to share. And when you think of how the first house is, like, the fifth house, from the ninth house, you know, the fifth house can be its children, but also people that you mentor people that you teach. The ninth house is like your mentors, the people that offer wisdom to you, people that have a lot of influence on you, philosophically, spiritually, and culturally.

3:04:30

Tristan Paylor: Yeah, I like that. That's there's, you know, the sun is of course, associated with authority. And, you know, in the ninth house, you get authority figures who are not, you know, they're not like people who are just bossing you around. The reason they have authority is that they have knowledge, they have experience, those are the things that give them authority. You know, it's like when, you know, if you were listening to like Stephen Hawking, you know, it's like that authority. It's not the authority of like, you know, a king who was born to rule or whatever. It's the authority of someone incredibly wise incredibly experienced in their field, who's invested decades of research and time into something. And you value what they have to say. It's like your your opinions, and your experiences and your knowledge on this are very worth hearing. Yeah. And worth the listen to them. Yeah, no, you don't have to, but you would benefit if you did.

3:05:22

Kyle Pierce: Exactly. Trump house could be an authority figure you have to listen to. Yeah, you don't your choice or your boss. Yeah.

3:05:31

Tristan Paylor: And I think if you're looking at your own ninth house, if you're looking at the ninth house ruler that can tell you a lot about your relationship to spirituality as well as the third house. You know, the ninth house can tell you a lot about, you know, what sort of kind of teachers you have. Yeah, and what sort of like religious or spiritual institutions or people have played in authoritative role in your life? Like, what is your religious background? What sorts of spiritual and moral values were you raised with? And, you know, do they resonate with you? Do they not? Have you split off from them? How much of an influence that they have on you?

3:06:05

Shay: Ooh, that makes that makes me think about the hierophant being a good card to associate with this connection to really being a spiritual teacher or spiritual institution? Yeah.

3:06:15

Tristan Paylor: Yeah. hierophant is a good ninth house card for sure.

3:06:18

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, it's actually a really good ninth house card, because you do get you get traditions in the ninth house, longstanding traditions, which is kind of being next to the eighth house and a lot of like the eighth house, the ninth house gets sort of conflated sometimes, but the the ninth house is like they're standing traditions that have stood and like are they're a little more supported by the general public, more like mainstream religion, stuff in the eighth house could be dark, dark magic spells. Or it could be, you know, some really cool ancient texts on astrology. But ninth house is like, it's like curated knowledge.

3:07:01

Tristan Paylor: Yeah. Good. Yeah. Trusted, curated,

3:07:05

Kyle Pierce: trusted, yeah. Trusted, well sourced information.

3:07:09

Tristan Paylor: And if you're a very ninth house, the person you know, you might be that that person whose source of knowledge or wisdom who is trusted by other people, which is, you know, one of the reasons I think the ninth house is very positive is that planets in there kind of have an opportunity to be that, that figure that other people respect, the wisdom of

3:07:31

Shay: the questions that I thought of for this was, what literal or figurative journey Am I on? Yeah. So just reflecting on Yeah, kind of the long term journey, and what that means and then just diving into what your unique spiritual practice is, and how that is a part of your journey.

3:07:52

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I definitely think of questing what is the what quest in my year long term life quest, you know, your quest for meaning quest? For

3:08:03

Tristan Paylor: like the Holy Grail purposes, the where the sun rejoices in the solar hero? Yeah, I always think of like, King Arthur, you know, as being sort of the archetypal solar. I was also thinking of money, quest for the Holy Grail. But your personal Holy Grail is found in the ninth house?

3:08:25

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, like that, well, even Shay: the Sun card has a horse on it. So we, there's, there's a journey aspect to that as well. Yeah,

3:08:34

Tristan Paylor: that's something that unifies all of the cadent houses is that all of the cadent houses have to do with travel. In the case of the third in the night, that's more pleasant in the case of the third it's like, you know, familiar travel, it's, you know, safe travel, you know, you're you're going to work or you're, you know, visiting your your friend who lives nearby or, you know, you're you're going you know, out of town a couple hours to visit your parents or something. And then with the ninth house, it's, you know, usually associated with long distance travel. I think some of the most famous astronauts have, you know, ninth house mid heavens, which is funny, or it's like, as far as you can possibly get. Yeah, but, you know, the thing that distinguishes the ninth house from the six of the 12 is that it's travel that you choose or that you enjoy, you know, in the ancient world travel was scary, you know, and people could be exiled, they could be banished. Traveling was dangerous. Being in a foreign land where you don't speak the language was potentially very dangerous. So you know, when you're traveling in the six of the 12 houses, you know, maybe there's a storm at sea or the place you're going to the people that are hostile towards you, or you feel far from home or or isolated but in the ninth house, you know, your, your journey is enjoy Bull and the people that you meet in this new place, you know, are hospitable and take care of you. So there's still a bit of that, you know, it's it can always be challenging to be far from home and to, you know, be in an unfamiliar place where you know, you don't know the customs, you don't understand the culture, you know, you, you use a hand gesture that is perfectly appropriate from your own culture and ended up kissing somebody else off without realizing it, you know, it's a little more 12 hours, you smile too much or too little. But overall, on the ninth house, it's like, you know, you're you

3:10:34

probably got like a tour guide and like a nice hotel. The people that you're staying with, they're taking good care of you and

3:10:41

Shay: Yeah, well, yeah, another car that I'm thinking of is the six of swords because we see a person in a boat who's being like ferried by another person who's kind of driving the boat. So feels like, you know, travel or journey but with a, with a guide.

3:10:56

Kyle Pierce: I was gonna say this extra thing, this earlier today that the six of swords is a little eighth house is kind of like that.

3:11:05

Tristan Paylor: Recovery, Kyle Pierce: recovery, that sort of the that period of transition. It's the eighth house where you don't really know what's on the true yeah, I'm helping people through those those times.

3:11:18

Tristan Paylor: Right, the ferry riders, like the, you know, person who reaches out in a crisis and helps others. Yeah.

3:11:25

Kyle Pierce: I think it's like a, like addiction counselor or something like, would be a passer. Just because you put somebody in recovery for an addiction or something else. It's not really about what's going to happen at the end, what they do when they get out. It's about that day and the next day and the next day, it's it's about focusing on the now while ninth house is maybe like that, the the beliefs that you hold to that, you know, keep you keep you from straying back onto the dark path.

3:11:51

Shay: And I have the moon as my ruler for the ninth house. So that's the the High Priestess and

3:12:00

Kyle Pierce: Oh, that's perfect divination. Yeah. And your tarot reader.

3:12:04

Shay: I know, it's perfect, because we've got spirituality and divination, and all of that in the ninth house, which also makes me think of taro and maybe astrology as being an activity to engage in your ninth house, or any kind of spiritual practice, or maybe even dream interpretation because there's dreams and visions associated with this house to

3:12:27

Kyle Pierce: give me the last thing I want to say about the ninth house sympathetic, it's actually my favorite, I think Vedic signification for the ninth house is the pains that you go through for others. It's like the things that you do for other people or things that think of like a professor, somebody who like takes the time to sit with you and walk you through every step and make sure that you learn it can be people that do that for you but also you're doing that for other people good deeds

3:12:56

Shay: on all the all the pages in taro could be associated with ninth house to just as a student to learner somebody who's exploring

3:13:06

Tristan Paylor: I like that a lot. And that you know, there's we're always the page in a way like we in in one way or another we never fully stopped being the page and it's actually like the the idea of beginner's mind like it's actually if you want to be wise cultivating a beginner's mind and always seeing yourself as a page is is a good headspace to cultivate.

3:13:30

Kyle Pierce: Yeah, Shay: I think I think we did it

3:13:36

Tristan Paylor: we did we go over ninth house activities. Yeah. Yeah. You taro

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Shay: right. Yeah. dream interpretation

3:13:44

Tristan Paylor: and study going to school yeah. Taking taking a course the higher education all that ninth house activity of course on taro enriching

3:13:52

Kyle Pierce: your mind. Tristan Paylor: Yeah, taking? Well, I feel like the ninth house is the astrology house for sure.

3:13:58

Kyle Pierce: Yeah. If you were to put it in one house and Shay: say, Yeah, okay, so, listening to the astrology hotline. It's the best way to engage.

3:14:09

Kyle Pierce: That is the most recommended ninth house highly activity also, you know, ninth house activity, you may be going through pains to help people out or something, you know, rate and review astrology hotline, share the wisdom that we offer here on astrology.

3:14:28

Shay: Tell your 11th house friends all about it. So

3:14:31

Kyle Pierce: if you want to have an awesome ninth house, Unknown: it really helps your whole chart, you know, not just helps your whole chart.

3:14:39

Tristan Paylor: It will pay off in all areas of life.

3:14:42

Unknown: That would be a good deed. You could also get a Tarot reading by me. That would be great too.

3:14:46

Tristan Paylor: That is a very good night in Paris. Get a Tarot reading from Shay highly recommended. I send to tell all of your friends. I still think about the reading you gave me like at least twice a week. Oh, whenever I'm like, is like I got a reading from Shay when I was in like, a confusing place with my astrology career and what I wanted to do and it's all like new and terrifying and Shay sorted me right out and I still like I have like the images of the cards from our reading burned in my brain. And when I'm really like struggling, I'm like, Oh, I can't do this. I suck at this or I have like, Oh, really bad impostor syndrome. I like remember the cards from that reading. And it gives me strength.

3:15:28

Shay: That's amazing. Thank you. So yeah,

3:15:31

Tristan Paylor: do it. I will not regret it. Yeah, I'm gonna pick it up. Yeah, come on file.

3:15:37

Kyle Pierce: Amazing strength. Well, speaking of that, where can people find you? Where can people get a reading with you?

3:15:46

Unknown: You can find me on Instagram at lightning Wildflower. And, yeah, you can connect with me there. Follow me. And I also do daily Monday through Friday, I do card of the day. So you can see that and I'm doing readings for the week ahead on clubhouse, so you can find me there as well. Yeah, so all the taro goodness. Awesome.

3:16:19

Tristan Paylor: We'll make sure to have links to everything in the show notes. I think it's Thursday nights at 6pm. Eastern are the Tarot travels rooms that you host on clubhouse, and then Sunday at 630 is the Tarot forecast for the week ahead.

3:16:41

Unknown: Yeah, so and then the Tarot travels through, that's where we're taking the cards one at a time and relating them to personal stories in our life. So that's always a lot of fun. And those you have to be there, they don't get recorded. And the but the Tarot forecasts, you can you can miss that and come back and hear the recording later on. But you don't want to you don't want to miss too much of it. Because then you'll you'll miss valuable insight for your week.

3:17:07

Tristan Paylor: Okay, I wouldn't recommend doing what I did and listen to the replay on Wednesday, and then realize like, wow, the cards that shape pulled for the beginning of the week could have really provided some insight into someone. Yeah, I would have known all about this right from the start, but no, I had to deal with it the hard way.

3:17:25

Shay: Well, you'll know next time. Tristan Paylor: All right, where do we find you Kyle? What are you doing?

3:17:33

Kyle Pierce: Well, as always, you can book a reading with me at Kyle Pierce. astrology.com. But yeah, check out my website, you know, got articles and stuff. Interesting.

3:17:43

Tristan Paylor: I've also got articles and stuff that you can find on my website. Or you can just go to Tumblr, and my articles are also there at bad sign astrology. And you can find me on Instagram at bad sign astrology and you're not going to believe what my website is called. It is bad sign astrology.ca and also definitely get a reading with Kyle my last reading I got from you Kyle was forecast and

3:18:13

Kyle Pierce: we're like your main events about to come up to you yeah,

3:18:16

Tristan Paylor: I know my big Mars return is coming up and you made my Mars sounds so cool. Is to do Mars or Mars that they're reading and I'm like all about owning that this year and that it's worked out well for me it's Cal Cal gives good advice.

3:18:32

Kyle Pierce: I did I was just thinking that yeah, you have a badass Mars and you're also a bad sign astrology Aries 10th house you know like Alright, shall we say goodbye to listeners and looking forward to the final installment of our mega series The the aspects but thank you so much for for joining us, Shay.

3:18:56

Shay: Yes, thank you for having me. This was... Kyle Pierce: Yeah, I'm sad that these are ending Yeah, this just occurred to me and now I want to cry.

3:19:02

Shay: Oh, well we can still talk, you know, without recording, we could just hang out and talk. (Yes) We'll have that dinner party. We'll have a virtual dinner party.

3:19:13

Tristan Paylor: think maybe we should do an episode on Tarot and astrology one time just specifically focused on Tarot. And maybe we can have you back for that. Yeah, I

3:19:23

Kyle Pierce: would love to do that. Shay: Yeah, I would love that. Definitely.

3:19:26

Tristan Paylor: Well, thank you, Shay. Thank you everyone who has listened to this episode for joining us, and we'll see you next time. Yes,

3:19:36

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